sk-discussion

[analog mist]

are they though

i wish we got more lore about them

did they exist before TPK?

[lusty grove]

the Snail Shaman™ from HK1 is chill, Chapel Maid is chill, Bell Hermit is racist but he doesn't seem like the violent kind of guy, and Caretaker is chill in the way that a lion is chill if left alone

[lusty grove]

what's TPK?

[analog mist]

the pale king

[lusty grove]

just say PK

the T is not part of His name

[analog mist]

well people say thk so

[lusty grove]

cuz it's The Hollow Knight, not just Hollow Knight

[analog mist]

but but but

ok

[lusty grove]

anyway,

[lusty grove]

probably, considering they're also in Pharloom

[odd hull]

To differentiate from the game's title

[analog mist]

oh yeah true

[lusty grove]

are the Snail Shamans Void?

[analog mist]

actually

[lusty grove]

I mean, they look Void-ish, they do stuff with Void, and there's a Shaman spell in the Abyss in HK1

[analog mist]

considering the way you get descending dark they might be

you literally break a shaman's body and it turns to void

[lusty grove]

but also it would completely change the way we see Void

[analog mist]

yeah actually

[lusty grove]

like, a creature just came to be from Void, and it has a personality and a will and a family tree

[analog mist]

void lore is kinda weird tho

[lusty grove]

that has never happened before

[analog mist]

it seems to be this mindless entity that just kills and absorbs everything that gets too close

[unborn sail]

What's the new crest gonna be

[lusty grove]

Diver's Crest

[brittle rapids]

archer's crest

[analog mist]

now the vessels seem to be able to control it a bit since they're made of void

[brittle rapids]

fisherman's crest?

[analog mist]

alchemist's crest

[unborn sail]

Maybe a hook harpoon change

[brittle rapids]

zote's crest?

[lusty grove]

it also can copy other creatures' wills, and imprint onto runes

[worldly umbra]

with status effects

[lusty grove]

so that'd imply that either a Shaman's shell is made of runes, or that they're imprints of a previous species' will

[analog mist]

how so?

[lusty grove]

it's what PK did to make the Wingmoulds and the Kingsmoulds

[analog mist]

ooh

[lusty grove]

and the "copying another creatures' wills" is what happened to the Collector

[analog mist]

oh

thats odd

[analog mist]

particularly the knight after he obtains the voidheart

though something im not sure about

is the void entity the knight?

because apparently you can hear it on the p4 flashback so it could be something else entirely

i doubt it though

[crisp heron]

which silksong boss is most likey to have frequent rectal problems

[lusty grove]

yeah

[lusty grove]

Groal

[analog mist]

void entity is kinda crazy cuz
did the knight just turn into a god? not sure why that happened

i guess it just locked tf in

[lusty grove]

Godhome strengthens the Gods within it (see: Pure Vessel, Winged Nosk, Sisters of Battle, Absrad), so it also strengthened the Knight's Voidheart

[analog mist]

maybe it a manifestation of its skill turned into power?

[analog mist]

oohh

[lusty grove]

until it became the Shade Lord (or Lord of Shades (or Void Entity (or Jeff (or Ghost of Hallownest (or Void Higher Being)))))

[analog mist]

(or void given focus)

[brittle rapids]

(or a titan)

[lusty grove]

(or Macbeth)

[analog mist]

were the other siblings involved in the creation of of the void entity?

[lusty grove]

yeah, they all became just one thing

[patent warren]

i started playing silksong

[analog mist]

i see

[lusty grove]

then get out of here this is full of spoilers

[patent warren]

I just defeated the big robot

[analog mist]

damn imagine a future pantheon of pharloom

[brittle rapids]

for every game in the whole world

[analog mist]

where you fight jeff itself

as the silksong absrad

[lusty grove]

we should make Jeff its actual name

let's use it until it shows up on the wiki

[brittle rapids]

jeff?

i only know zote

[lusty grove]

the Shade Lord

[brittle rapids]

ah

[analog mist]

siblings ❤️

wait a minute arent those THK's horns

[trim estuary]

I’m confused there’s only one recurring element in these images

[brittle rapids]

they're sharing horns

don't worry about it

that's why hollow knight is a hard game the knight has a oddly-shaped mask for its head

[analog mist]

zote

what the fuck is zote anyways

[brittle rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-22799577

[odd hull]

wdym

[analog mist]

yeah

what is he

is he just some guy

whats the deal with the eternal ordeal

(cue laugh track)

i mean i get gpz

gpz is just a fantasy made up by bretta

[brittle rapids]

he can survive lifeblood, infection, and void

[analog mist]

dunno how it ended up in godhome tho

[brittle rapids]

zote = god

[analog mist]

fair enough

bye chat

A statue of this entity is seen in the Hall of Gods after defeating all bosses on Ascended difficulty. The corresponding Void Idol has the following Journal entry:

"Rare artifact from a time before Hallownest. Volatile liquid of the Abyss writhes within."

BEFORE HALLOWNEST??

[odd hull]

yep

[exotic cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/983054422806507520/1096128858245304370/9037D7F4-7E97-4883-B2E6-E54C54932371.gif?width=368&height=531

[analog mist]

oh lord (of shades)

i give up

[rocky jolt]

ancient civilization

[blazing jasper]

why is this channel abbreviated "sk"?

[analog mist]

silk

[blazing jasper]

"ss" didn't sound right or what lmao

[analog mist]

steel soul

screen shot

soul snare

[rocky jolt]

ss is a nazi term or something idk

[blazing jasper]

the other ss

[rocky jolt]

alot of stuff in this game actually have the acronym ss

[analog mist]

exactly

[rocky jolt]

spider strings second sentinel to name a few

HK:SS:SoS:SS

[analog mist]

where does city of steel even come from

ive heard ppl talk abt it

[blazing jasper]

silk knight

[rocky jolt]

probably another kingdom about the size of the two we know

[fiery burrow]

yeah discord removed the servers public status because of it

[exotic dome]

there are actual n*zi servers btw

discord never sees them

[rocky jolt]

discord has a lot worse servers to go after than the hollow knight shitsong server

[odd hull]

"Weaver, in quarter part, last of their line, staked to service.
Tracked and taken beneath the City of Steel.
Eight Choristors, twelve Envoys lost to task"
From the Cradle

[trim estuary]

It’s my headcanon

[analog mist]

ty

[exotic dome]

sea of sorrow will feature hornet's capture as a memory gauntlet fight

[analog mist]

theres other places too

[raw pawn]

Sea of trobbio tomorrow

[trim estuary]

We should reclaim the acronym SS iirc

[thin charm]

wdym iirc

[trim estuary]

if i recall correctly

[thin charm]

"should" is an opinion why do you need to recall

[trim estuary]

actually it’s if i remember correctly iirc

[exotic dome]

yea we should replace stinky poo poo ideology acronym with silky song shaw game

[raw pawn]

Zango sucks iirc

[odd hull]

Also, Confessor Ji, Steelsoul Jinn, Sula and Steel Seer Zi talk about their masters and such

[analog mist]

okay this one is specifically in quarter part, and also killed a bunch of these guys holy shit

twelve envoys

[analog mist]

but they never mention the city of steel

[trim estuary]

that’s because they only came up with it once they got to writing that specific text

[analog mist]

i mean its a fun headcanon

[odd hull]

They don't mention it, yes

[raw pawn]

Has anyone made a modded khann or Garmond and Zaza boss yet?

[rocky jolt]

500 modded first sinner and gms bosses

[lusty grove]

why are so many Silksong bosses just "One Million Enemies" right before the boss? it gets boring after like the third one

[hybrid forge]

Probably just environmental. Groal has a pre boss gauntlet because they are a border tribe pushed to gorilla tactics due to their entire home getting turned into a waste disposal sight. They don’t play fare. You’re gonna get jumped.

[exotic dome]

broodmother, groal, karmelita

[lusty grove]

not just Groal, also like Broodmother, Crawfather, Karmelita, The Unravelled, Khann (ESPECIALLY KHANN like cmon your first phase can't just be three hundred enemies)

[exotic dome]

crawfather and karmelita are fine

[lusty grove]

having to fight a gaunglet before a boss is cool when you have like 2 bosses that do it

but 10 is a bit too much

[exotic dome]

i agree that it's a bit overused

the unravelled sucks

broodmother too

groal's gauntlet is ok i think its better than the boss itself but thats debatable

[lusty grove]

if it was only Groal, Crawfather, and Khann, it'd be perfect

[exotic dome]

i wouldnt add karmelita's gauntlet either

[brittle rapids]

karmelita's gauntlet is easy once you get used to it

[weary gorge]

I know the game has been out for plenty of time now and there are already solutions to this but I made a flea finding guide lmao
https://www.guidecodex.com/games/silksong

[lusty grove]

but still annoying

[brittle rapids]

and it's short

[weary gorge]

I think mine is a bit easier to use than whats already there which is why I made it

[exotic dome]

i'd put that gauntlet in an explorable hunters march in a memory but that's too major of a change

[delicate temple]

Is there a glitch or something to refund bone scraps I just used i am so sick of having to go back up to the surface every time I run out of scraps

[exotic dome]

coral tower ost too

[rocky jolt]

yall say this then glaze skarrsinger

[exotic dome]

also they didnt merge area and action music together like they did in hollow knight (soul sanctum for example), hunters march action music is as long as the area music but they decided to seperate it. i guess it's up to the composer

[delicate temple]

^

[exotic dome]

true

[brittle rapids]

karmelita has seven enemies before her

that's like the smallest gauntlet in the game

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyR0x-6FH1c

[exotic dome]

the only reason that gauntlet exists is to show that big skarr guardians

[brittle rapids]

last claw

i took a while on karma

[fiery burrow]

they didn't include the mosshome theme 😔

or the opening Citadel ambience at the start of Act 2 but that's understandable just sad

[exotic dome]

https://youtu.be/e_u540s1dOA

[fiery burrow]

true I remember this one its great

[brittle rapids]

i prefer the freedom motif

[rocky jolt]

why isnt cave ambience 3 in the ost

[round creek]

If you get faydown in act 1 is it possible to get into the citadel through putrified ducts

[exotic dome]

weaver experiment 2 should've been the first song in the ost

[delicate temple]

Can someone answer please Lost Lace is about to make me completely smash my ps5 into the concrete

[lethal mason]

yea

[exotic dome]

unfortunately farming is the only option

i recommend farming rosaries and buying shard bundles with it

[delicate temple]

Omfg so basically terrible game design

[exotic dome]

i agree

[delicate temple]

20 is the max that can be held

So yeah that’s fucking ridiculous 20 is not enough for lost lace because of how unfair she isn’t

[wooden prairie]

does not getting shakra's journal entry lock me out of the hunters mark

[delicate temple]

If she teleports in front of you that’s guaranteed damage

[lethal mason]

bro lost lace u can js use multibinder+longclaw+ druids eyes

and facetank with wand crest

[exotic dome]

don't run around a lot

[delicate temple]

2 masks and the projecttiles were coming

Literally had to run

Or die by getting shot

Because they had to make her shots lock on

[wooden prairie]

who

[delicate temple]

Seems fair nerf Hornet’s kit again

[lethal mason]

nerf thread storm

[delicate temple]

LL

[wooden prairie]

???

[lethal mason]

lost lace

[delicate temple]

If only I could exclusively use silk to make my tools

[brittle rapids]

that's called the silkshot

[delicate temple]

Idk why architect crest doesn’t work like that

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-bounce-fortnite-emotes-gif-4553861362510094707

https://x.com/CaineCNAAI

Caine (@CaineCNAAI) on X

(unofficial)

X

[hybrid steppe]

Am i right to assume doing all ||delivery quests|| gives me ||ending 3?||

[heady iron]

Caine from TADC has an X account?

[rocky jolt]

maybe

[delicate temple]

Lost Lace is making me wanna jump

[hybrid steppe]

Whoops weong chanmel sorry

[delicate temple]

Fight is hard and unfun instead of hard and fun

[atomic ravine]

I mean you can fight her straight but this system is pretty bad. I used up all shards and just gave up on using items because I didn't want to farm and fought her with only meele

[delicate temple]

That’s it’s own issue

She’ll teleport even though I wasn’t running from her

And it’s annoying as shit

Because like why

[atomic ravine]

The thing with these harder bosses is only hit them when they're still recovering from their last move

[rocky jolt]

she literally does that just so you cant be sprinting away from her at all times

[atomic ravine]

NKG and a few others wereile that in HK as well

[delicate temple]

Reread

What I said

[rocky jolt]

you def are

[delicate temple]

I’m jumping on a wall

That’s not running away

[atomic ravine]

I mean I didn't have much of a problem with her teleporting but I assume it's a play-style difference

[rocky jolt]

dont know why you would do that on lost lace

[delicate temple]

She can’t hit me 99% of the time

[atomic ravine]

Ow yeah the walls are not for avoiding her, it's there mostly for the waves of void atk

[delicate temple]

Only the tendrils and the black shots can hit me

[rocky jolt]

that strat aint gonna work against the final boss bud

try adapting for once

[delicate temple]

Okay fuck you asshole

[rocky jolt]

this is the same strat people use for high halls' gauntlet

im literally giving you advice

[atomic ravine]

Yeah that's the issue. She hitting you there by teleporting is intentional because the games considering you're trying to camp the boss

[delicate temple]

Whilst being a sarcastic dick

[rocky jolt]

why you gotta jump to being so hostile gawd damn

[atomic ravine]

Instead of fighting

[rocky jolt]

complaining about lost lace telefragging you is like complaining that groal has muckwater in his arena

[exotic dome]

yea

it's not like the boss is input reading

[desert geyser]

yo

[atomic ravine]

There was no need for the ironic undertone, but, in any way, no use fighting. The important thing is the boss is design for you not to wall jump camp

[exotic dome]

what's your build btw

[atomic ravine]

Lace 2 would sometimes jump in the wall as well explicitly to make wall jump camping unreliable

[desert geyser]

do i need a certain server level in order to go in vocals???

[exotic dome]

you need to have at least 150 messages

[desert geyser]

150 is fair

[delicate temple]

Lost Lace doesn’t hit me while on the wall if I jump

[desert geyser]

i allready got a few i think

[delicate temple]

But Lace 2 did

[rocky jolt]

lost lace has like one of the biggest arenas too

[desert geyser]

lost lace is the best boss, proove me wrong

[delicate temple]

If you’re a masochist, this fight is hard for the sake of being hard instead of being fun

[atomic ravine]

Lost Lacey has other ways to annoy you for doing it tho, which seems to be working. I don't think wall jumping to avoid her is a good strat in the long run

[desert geyser]

my bad i meant lace V2 i typed it wrong XD im just tired

[delicate temple]

Gets me to stage 3 in 30 seconds

If I tool spam so I say it works fine

[atomic ravine]

I disagree, the 3 laces are very fun. I just wish the final boss was something, idk, bigger? Different? Got kinda sad when I discovered it was lace again

[delicate temple]

Issue is architect crest is ass stage 3 because I can’t farm silk easily

If I go to hit her bam she blocks

[desert geyser]

so my bad lemme say it right this time

lace V2 is the best boss, proove me wrong

[atomic ravine]

I would advise to get phase 1 done manually then tool spam for phase 3 and maybe half of phase 2

The third phase is way harder. You have to budget your tools somewhere

[delicate temple]

Would be possible if Architect crest wasn’t so fucking bad at melee

So I guess I gotta take pot shots with wanderer

And hope for the best

[sour yew]

is there a guide to help with quest progression? i cant get quests to appear on boards

[atomic ravine]

I mean it's not the best but it has decent range and dmg. Idk if they nerfed it since I did it but it should be fine for phase 1. Trying to do it in phase 3 will be waaay harder

[exotic dome]

you can use multibinder+injector band with wanderer and heal on the air

[heady iron]

Silksong if it was good
https://youtu.be/hSdtTvzdIjM

[desert geyser]

do u guys think sea of sorrows tomorrow or in 7 years?

[atomic ravine]

Wait? Is this real do we have any news?

[desert geyser]

they did say there will be no update until sea of sorrow thought so it might be sooner than we think

[atomic ravine]

I'm at college

[desert geyser]

nah we got no new beside thath they said thath there will be no update until sea of sorrow

[proud plume]

should i take red quill or wait to get purple one

[light swan]

it’s tomorrow

lol

[desert geyser]

DELTARUNE TOMORROW ❌
SEA OF SORROW TOMORROW ✅

[heady skiff]

Hello. New member here :)

[brave geyser]

Hii

[desert geyser]

yo

[proud plume]

hiii

[exotic dome]

half life 3 tomorrow

[heady skiff]

New to the server, crazy at the game

[atomic ravine]

About the Lost Lace fight using architect

Architect tool spam is cheese, no problem in using it, it's a decent strategy, but the game is not designed for it to be incentivised. Its actually design to limit your use by the sake of heavily spending shards.

If it's not doing for you because of seemingly random hits, the best course of action is usually try to fight the boss instead of trying to force tool spam to work

[desert geyser]

ok but now lets ask the real questions

when are we getting naked hornet difficulty?

u gotta beat the whole game only with naked hornet

[atomic ravine]

That's the sorrow in the sea

[exotic dome]

tbh you can run out of shards and have to farm them without using architect too

[atomic ravine]

You can only access the new area by doing a naked hornet run

[desert geyser]

because shes too cool to have her clothes wet so she gotta get naked to swim

[atomic ravine]

Yeah that happened to me. What I'm saying is heavy use of architect makes you have to farm way more/more often, to make it more annoying to use

[desert geyser]

thath s why architect is only good late game

[atomic ravine]

The whole shard system is very flawed imo, it desinsentivises trying out new tools and actually using the tools you have

But architect needed to be limited in SOME way, if tools regenerated in a bench, architect would need a max refill or smth so it doesn't trivialize combat

[desert geyser]

architect should make charfting tools cheaper

crafting*

[exotic dome]

shard is already limited so architect tool spamming ends somewhwre

[atomic ravine]

I'm not a big fan of that. Maybe architect should be like. 2 refills (+ initial fill) costing silk

And tools regenerate in a bench, remove shards

[proud plume]

guys should i take red quill or wait for purple

[atomic ravine]

Read again

[desert geyser]

maybe im asking for too much but like, tools crafted with silk would be different (maybe a weaker version or smt like this)

[atomic ravine]

"if tools regenerated in a bench..." Was implying if they had removed the hard system

[atomic ravine]

Yeah that would be fine. I really want tools to be a base part of combat that doesn't "spend" so you'd actually use them

But they're too powerful to be that way, specially in architect. 3 pouches would be insane, so making the refills weaker would be a good way to deal with it

[exotic dome]

if shards didn't exist that would be nice yeah

[stable belfry]

speedrun achievemtn guide for under 5 hours?

[desert geyser]

What would be cool and balanced is:
if you sit on a bench: current system
if you use silk: creates a weaker version but uses no shards

[narrow bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/ryoshu-limbus-company-gif-8156471272377109273

[desert geyser]

so when u sit on a bench you can just get your op tools back

[narrow bramble]

Sup chat

[exotic dome]

check most popular guides of all time on steam

[desert geyser]

but architect aint too op in long fights

[desert geyser]

sup

[desert geyser]

why u eating a flesh pie

[narrow bramble]

it taste

Uhhm

Idk

[desert geyser]

it tastes like F.L.E.S.H

who's flesh is it even?

as long as its not my cat ur fine

[desert geyser]

who's is it???

[narrow bramble]

dawg i forgor

https://tenor.com/view/i-forgor-i-forgot-walter-white-dying-gif-27400979

[desert geyser]

how can you forget the flesh you are consuming (unless u got dementia)

[delicate temple]

I clipped her teleporting even though I wasn’t running right next to her

I was trying to dodge her attack

[desert geyser]

i personally 2nd tried lost lace

wanderer's crest my beloved carried me the whole game

[proven thicket]

damn

nice

[sharp slate]

2nd tried sounds insane

How did other bosses go if you dont mind me asking like # of deaths

[worldly umbra]

theres this guy in hk1 vc who has been there for 137 hours

what has he been doing

[fiery burrow]

one P5 run presumably

[desert geyser]

the only boss i remember being hard was seth honestly

[worldly umbra]

hes streaming outlast

lowk based

[desert geyser]

and a lil bit last judge

[worldly umbra]

i think i played it once when i was 12 and got fucking freaked out lmao

[sharp slate]

Interesting tbh, LL was definitely the boss I died the most to thats why I was curious. Seth though is fair. One my friends said he was easy, but imo for my first playthrough he was one of the harder bosses

[exotic dome]

seth might be the 3rd hardest boss

behind karm and ll

[subtle lynx]

Guys I finally got a gold plort after 146 days

[keen solstice]

He's the most fun one

[subtle lynx]

Nah

[subtle lynx]

Nah

[keen solstice]

??

[subtle lynx]

??

[keen solstice]

Seth is a great fight and easily one of if not the best fight in the game wdym "nah"

[subtle lynx]

???

[light swan]

i enjoy seth a lot

[subtle lynx]

Are we fr?

[keen solstice]

Yes we're fr?

[subtle lynx]

Sure, but he has nothing unique going for him, he's just another good duel boss

[dusky bough]

what would you rather drink? Greenpath acid, Muckmaggot water, or void

[keen solstice]

Unless you use beast you actually have to interact with his gimmick and fight him properly

[subtle lynx]

Karmelita and first sinner are much more better

[subtle lynx]

I don't use beast

[sharp slate]

Seth is pretty high up there for me now

[keen solstice]

Karmelita is piss easy and has untelegraphed movements, plus she stands still

For most of the fight

[subtle lynx]

If karmelita is piss easy, then Seth is shit easy

[keen solstice]

Seth is harder than karm

[sharp slate]

Eh

[light swan]

why does someone have to be unique to be fun

[sharp slate]

Seth vs karm for difficulty probably just depends on the player

[subtle lynx]

Yeah she stands still, except you can't practically hit her unless she's doing an attack or almost done doing one

[sharp slate]

They sre pretty close imo

[keen solstice]

Uh, she blocks like 10 times less than Seth lmao

And beast just ignores her block anyways

[subtle lynx]

Why are we suddenly changing topic

[subtle lynx]

So we don't count beast for Seth but we do for karmelita?

[keen solstice]

Seth can still pose a threat even if you use beast against him due to phase 2

[subtle lynx]

Also, she doesn't

[graceful oyster]

Does anyone else feel like laugh tracks ruin TV shows

[dusky bough]

who has a better soundtrack, Nyleth or Lost Lace

[exotic dome]

whats the 3rd hardest

[keen solstice]

Karm just
Doesn't pose a threat
At all

[exotic dome]

they ruin sitcoms

[light swan]

i mean youre using the idea that hes not unique to say that hes not that fun, arent you?

[keen solstice]

The only time she poses a threat is when she does one of her untelegraphed jumps or backsteps

[graceful oyster]

Well of course, when I ask this it's going to be the shows that have laugh tracks

[keen solstice]

That's about it

[subtle lynx]

I think the hardest definitely are first sinner, karmelita, lost lace and lace 2 in whichever order

[keen solstice]

Lace 2 is extremely easy bro wtf 😭

[subtle lynx]

No? That was never the thing being questioned

[keen solstice]

She's a complete joke

[light swan]

mb then ig

[exotic dome]

i think i struggled more in seth

[subtle lynx]

Yeah, after completing the game multiple times every boss is easy for me too

[crisp raft]

both are nice but i like lost lace more

[light swan]

thought that because both i and mehieddin said that seth was fun and you responded back like that

[keen solstice]

Even when you fight lace 2 for the first time she's SIGNIFICANTLY easier than 90% of the bosses

[subtle lynx]

But on first play through, lace 2 was much more harder than seth, though maybe I was a bit under leveled compared to the rest

[subtle lynx]

She's not, she's so much harder than lace 1 which is the fight you're used to

[exotic dome]

eh, i would say she is on the harder side

[subtle lynx]

You also can't just rush her unlike almost every other boss

[keen solstice]

Brother lace 1 isn't even a fight
It's easier than a common mob

[subtle lynx]

She's the first boss you'll face that plays like that

[keen solstice]

Except you can?
You can literally push her around 😭

[subtle lynx]

Ok bud

[subtle lynx]

Yeah if you wanna take double DMG from the jumping attack

[fringe mountain]

You can pogo her indefinitely she has basically no counter to that

[dusky bough]

who'd win in a fight, Hive knight or Groal

[keen solstice]

That attack is only ever an issue in lost lace 😭

[subtle lynx]

Also, this was about Seth again, and I mentioned other 3 harder bosses

[keen solstice]

She's never hitting hit in lace 2

[subtle lynx]

Savage beastfly 2 is definitely harder as well

[keen solstice]

Karm is far easier.

And is overall a worse fight

[subtle lynx]

Lost garmond is definitely harder

[keen solstice]

????

[subtle lynx]

Both wrong

[keen solstice]

Lost Garmond is a dogshit fight but he's not hard

[fringe mountain]

Her jump is angled so unless you’re using hunter or beast crest this works very easily

[subtle lynx]

Being a dog shit fight makes it harder for me

[subtle lynx]

I use hunter

I also don't use red tools for any fight

[keen solstice]

You can easily facetank karmelita.
She stays in 1 place for most of the fight.
She mostly just uses projectiles.
Her ONLY threatening attack is her untelegraphed jump

[subtle lynx]

Well, except lost garmlnd

[fringe mountain]

Maybe that’s why you didn’t see lace 2 as easy as others

[fringe mountain]

Why

[subtle lynx]

I also didn't have double jump and just had 7 masks

[keen solstice]

Seth constantly moves around
Constantly blocks your attacks
Has aoes
Has mobile attacks
Etc...

[subtle lynx]

Because I consider them cheating

[fringe mountain]

Both aren’t needed

[keen solstice]

He's just an overall harder and better fight

[subtle lynx]

And not fun

[keen solstice]

The only excuse karmelita has over him is her obnoxious gauntlet and higher hp

[subtle lynx]

People get at her at different points, so I wanna just lay out how I was when I fought her

[keen solstice]

So using tools and mechanics the game literally gave you is cheating?

😭

[subtle lynx]

He's just a lace 2 that blocks

That's literally it

[keen solstice]

Lace 2 doesn't come anywhere near comparing to seth

They have a single attack in common

[subtle lynx]

And you fight her much more later than lace 2,and the block doesn't even matter that much

Si yeah, that's why it's easier

[subtle lynx]

They basically play the same

[keen solstice]

You fight lace 2 at the end of act 2

[fringe mountain]

I think you’re just stuck in hollow knight

[subtle lynx]

You wait until they attack to attack

[fringe mountain]

That’s why you find lace 2 as hard

[keen solstice]

At that moment lace 2 is literally a clownshow

[subtle lynx]

If you read my name, I'm not

[keen solstice]

https://youtu.be/Q0-LQ20iSwU?si=yBkuOCNcFaYyDy8t

Lace 2 is straight up not a threat

[fringe mountain]

That doesn’t mean anything you can still beat silksong while playing it like it’s hollow knight
(Steel soul and speed runs too)

[keen solstice]

She has low HP for the point you reach her
Her attacks are slow
Her range is laughable
Her phase 2 is literally free hits

[fringe mountain]

You just can’t adapt to something new

[keen solstice]

2nd sentinel is a FAR better lace 2

[subtle lynx]

I thought beast crest didn't count...
Also there's multiple videos of obliterating bosses with multiple crests and builds lol this proves nothing
Also, this is a maxed out player and you can just beat her much less kitted than with Seth, since he's locked behind act 3 (basically exploring act2) and lace 2 as I said, can be beaten without double jump and just a few extra masks

[fringe mountain]

2nd sentinel only took me one try but it had me on the edge of my seat the whole time it was so fun and I beat it with one mask left

[light swan]

second sentinel is a far better everything this proves nothing

[subtle lynx]

Well I don't

[subtle lynx]

Ok?😭

[keen solstice]

2nd sent is easily among the best fights but he has a glaring issue which is lack of hp

[subtle lynx]

Why are we now comparing lace 2 to a random boss and not even based on difficulty?

[keen solstice]

2nd sent is far harder than lace 2 lol

[subtle lynx]

I never brought up 2nd sentinel nor said lace 2 is a better fight than Seth

[light swan]

lace 2 is genuinely so easy bro look at how easy it is to win

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade-3-xenoblade-chronicles-3-mio-xenoblade-3-consul-m-ghondor-sr-gif-6268548699850412203

[fringe mountain]

You struggled on lace 2 and that’s a common thing I see on people playing Silksong like it’s hollow knight also refusing to use red tools is common too

[keen solstice]

Bro 😭 😭 😭 😭
Legit jumping off the arena to give her a chance to fight

[fringe mountain]

Her only challenge is the fast attacks but they’re still not really hard to dodge unlike other bosses

[light swan]

look bro the mist is harder than lace herself

name a boss harder than the mist. ...

[surreal halo]

Do you have max needle?

[fringe mountain]

I get taking many tries on her because her attacks are new but struggling is an actual skill issue ngl

[graceful oyster]

Vlad

[keen solstice]

Most likely not

[light swan]

yes, but her health increased by 500

[keen solstice]

Oh nvm

That explains why she lasted way longer than usual

[subtle lynx]

I refuse to use red tools because they make the game piss easy because they don't need to interact with the bosses, the gameplay for red tools is just pressing a button with basically no strategy change between bosses

Also, since they are a limited resource, the game is clearly balanced around you not having them available, since it's STH that can happen

And for the red tools that are just buffs to hornet, they do make you interact with bosses but they still feel very cheesy

[surreal halo]

Nice ^_^

[subtle lynx]

Also, I never mastered hk's combat at all

[light swan]

80 attempts ....

[subtle lynx]

I didn't like it that much, basically never used spells

Silksong's combat is just a million times better I just don't want to "skip" bosses by ignoring whatever they are doing by just spamming red tools

[keen solstice]

Long story short Seth is one of if not the best fights in the game alongside 2nd sent and lost lace

And lace 2 is a complete joke

[subtle lynx]

except lost garmlnd ofc

[keen solstice]

First sinner is great but she's basically just a faster widow with less area coverage

[subtle lynx]

And is that supposed to make her look bad?

Faster Version of a great fight? Sign me in

[fringe mountain]

They’re just another weapon imo they do similar damage to a needle but their catch is they’re limited also some bosses encourage the use of red tools while others punish you for using them they’re not as glaring of an issue as people make them out to be it’s just people return to early game bosses with architect builds to show you how you can solo a boss with red tools when that’s the whole point of that crest

[light swan]

first sinner's problem isnt that shes a faster widow

its that she spams the same shit and all you do is dash attack or clawline the entire fight

[keen solstice]

^

Not really much else to do in her figt

[lavish apex]

i'd say they're about the same

[keen solstice]

She doesn't give you enough time

[light swan]

anyway second fentanyl is the best bossfight in the game and its not even close

in my personal humble opinion

[light swan]

i still like it because dash attacking and clawlining is fun tho :D

[lavish apex]

finally someone says it

[light swan]

especially with animation cancels

[lavish apex]

(she's still fun though)

[keen solstice]

I spammed beast dash attack against her lol

Yeah the speed of the fight makes her fun

[light swan]

people have been saying it

im one of the first sinner defenders

[fringe mountain]

You can at max skip those 200hp phases on bosses if you aren’t a lunatic

[light swan]

but i cant help but admit theyre right

[lavish apex]

she's like braindead easy with a decent portion of act 2 upgrades but still fun

[subtle lynx]

I'm not of that group since I just stopped using them after a certain point on my first playthrough and never touched them unless I'm doing the speedrun achievements

With the exception of ofc, lost garmond, I never used architect crest. Besides the incentive to using red tools, I don't like the moveset

[keen solstice]

We need to give 2nd sentinel act 3 scaling

[light swan]

im still those people who always struggled with first sinner

[light swan]

its ok pantheon of pharloom mod is enough

[subtle lynx]

In my speedrun run, I basically skipped karmelita's third phase

Without architect crest

[light swan]

is this the right video

[fringe mountain]

That’s valid but calling them cheating isn’t true

[light swan]

it is !!

1300 hp and still dies in 40 seconds

[fringe mountain]

I was talking about cases without that crest because the whole point of that crest is to just use red tools so it doesn’t count

[subtle lynx]

That's valid, but I will still consider them that

[keen solstice]

Sadly due to his arena being stupidly small

[light swan]

i wasnt even doing anything crazy it was just wanderers with flintslate

[light swan]

whats wrpmg wotj small arena

[fringe mountain]

by your logic wanderer crest is also cheating because all you have to do is face slam into bosses or pogo off them and they get vaporised

[subtle lynx]

You're interacting with the boss

[keen solstice]

Not much distance to move away

[undone cobalt]

Hive..

[keen solstice]

Eh
Wanderer ain't cheating, beast on the other hand is

[light swan]

as in, for fent to move away? or for the player to move away

[subtle lynx]

Without using a resource that you may not have available

[keen solstice]

Fent

[undone cobalt]

Hive…..

[keen solstice]

Bro jumps away just for the play to move 1cm towards him and continue slapping him

[undone cobalt]

Goodbye..

[fringe mountain]

Then what about shaman crest?

[light swan]

thats far but secsen just dashes back towards you anyway

[keen solstice]

Give him karm's arena

Or Seth's

[fringe mountain]

With the right tools and the final EVA thing you can skip full phases of a boss from the moment you enter

[light swan]

infact i prefer it like this since chasing isnt always the most fun thing, although ig that still means they die quickly

[subtle lynx]

Again, you have to hit the boss to use its buff, it's not a limited resource you may not have, and also has the downside of nerfing your heal

[light swan]

just make secsen's arena SLIGHTLY bigger

put the wall at the 2nd layer on the right

thatll help a lot

[fringe mountain]

What about the eva thing where you get full silk after resting on a bench you can use that such that the moment you enter the boss room you can cast multiple dozens of silk skills to skip the first phase or stagger and repeat

[leaden delta]

true red tools are cheating

[keen solstice]

Hopefully will make him stop dashing into the wall and just giving you a fat opening 😭

[light swan]

second fentanyl is still my fgoat no matter how fsmall their farena is f❤️

[keen solstice]

Half the time he dashes backwards he's just blocked by the wall

[fringe mountain]

They are overpowered but I wouldn’t go to the lengths of saying it’s cheating because then almost everything is

[keen solstice]

His arena might genuinely be the smallest one in the game 😭

[atomic ravine]

That red tool take is kinda insane. Other than architect the red tool dmg is not that good to make it so you don't need to learn the bosses. It's just a little bit of extra dmg if you can correctly use them

[keen solstice]

His and that gruzmother

[light swan]

fyi the nyleth architect gif is possible on hunter, witch, beast, and reaper crest as well

[keen solstice]

???
Architect does nothing to the tools
Red tools themselves are just broken

[fringe mountain]

Also architects needle is the worst for a reason

[atomic ravine]

Architect is kinda of a mess of game design because it's possibly absurdly broken and is only kept in check by being absurdly expensive

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

architect isnt the problem, red tools are

[keen solstice]

????
Architect itself isn't broken at all
It's literally red tools themselves being broken 😭 😭 😭

[light swan]

i only use 2 red tools in this video, and no craft bind

[subtle lynx]

The Eva thing is not a limited resource you may not have.

I can't really talk about how powerful it is because I never really gave shaman a try. But most spells require a bit of skill to use. Some exceptions exist like pale nails, that thing doesn't require you interacting with bosses so I could consider that cheating.

[crisp raft]

looking up "hollow knight pale ore" and muscle memory keeps forcing me to type "hollow knight pale oil"

[keen solstice]

Architect literally only has 1 extra red slot and the ability to refill tools mid fight

[leaden delta]

nah shits cheating. tc shouldve made a good system instead

[keen solstice]

By itself it's not broken at all

[atomic ravine]

It makes it so you can beat the entire bosses spamming. Red tools usually are limited in quantity specifically so you CANT just spam them

[keen solstice]

...you can do the same shit with any crest that has 2 red slots

[light swan]

@atomic ravine again, this is possible on FOUR other crests

[keen solstice]

😭

Voltvessels and curveclaws
Boom
Boss fucking dead

[fringe mountain]

The whole point of architects crest is to be like wanders but instead of needle damage it’s red tool damage

[light swan]

yea i dont even use voltvessels theyre also just as powerful

[keen solstice]

You can take reaper, the worst crest in the game, and put those 2 red tools on it, and beat all bosses faster than most other crests using nails

[leaden delta]

thats why i loooooooove hk that shits good

[light swan]

if not more powerful

[fringe mountain]

But it’s the only crest I consider cheating because red tools are overpowered

They’re not a problem until you have 3 that you can refill

[keen solstice]

Beast is technically more cheating than architect because atleast architect needs you to have shards

Beast on the other hand is just braindead broken

No drawback no cost no nothing

[fringe mountain]

Fr?

[keen solstice]

Go in
Bind
Attack
Repeat
Boss fucking explodes

[keen solstice]

Think wanderer but on steroids

[subtle lynx]

So you consider them overpowered?

[atomic ravine]

Usually you can just beat like the last phase before you're out of tools, specially in act 1~2

Maybe the end of act 2 can get pretty easy if you get the right red tools early ig

[undone gate]

You just need to make sure not to get hit after binding

[keen solstice]

Getting hit after binding does nothing,lol

[fringe mountain]

They are but not to the extent of cheating due to their interactions and limits

[leaden delta]

idki just wish red tools were more engaging

[keen solstice]

Just reduces your bind time but that doesn't matter since you just bind again after it runs out

[undone gate]

It reduces Beast Bind duration by half

[leaden delta]

thats my main thing. i wish there were more with the same design philosophy as delver's drill, for example

[worldly umbra]

i want a red tool that just blows up the whole map

[light swan]

let’s talk about why needle architect is cool

[keen solstice]

And again
And again
And againandagainandagainandagainandagaun

[subtle lynx]

That would be cool, but I don't mind 0 engage options like coglflies existing, they are fun to watch and casual players like them

[keen solstice]

You gain duration by healing
And by the time you run out of bind you can just bind again

[worldly umbra]

delvers drill is so fun to use i love it so much

[leaden delta]

cogflies is ok im ok wih them existing

its just a majority of them u jusst throw out it feels like, and i dont enjoy that

[keen solstice]

Needle architect with flintslate flea brew delver drill

Cogflies are relatively weak, they're just guaranteed damage

[wind mulch]

red tools SUCK!

[atomic ravine]

Yeah I like the drill, but tbh I almost never used it

[subtle lynx]

Also, as I've been saying this whole time, they skip bosses, so in case someone would rather grind to best a boss instead of practicing, it's good that easy to use red tools exist

[leaden delta]

imo make most of the damaging ones a similar idea to drill, cut down on amount of red tools in order to not add bloat, keep straight pins the way they are tho i think theyd be good for the game

[keen solstice]

The damage cogflies deal is on the lower end(400 only)

[fringe mountain]

Tbh most of them are pretty boring besides delvers drill

[atomic ravine]

I used flintslate A LOT in my first playthrough, definitely my favorite which tbh seems like a problem of the system

[wind mulch]

add diversity in what the tools do not just - throw at boss for damage

[worldly umbra]

also silkshot

[atomic ravine]

When your favorite tool is the one that just buffs the other atks it's usually because the tools aren't very engaging

[subtle lynx]

I don't think any red tools are problematic, as you can just not use them

[worldly umbra]

its a gun how can you go wrong with that

[subtle lynx]

Oh yeah, that's what I've been saying this whole time

Their usage is basically the same for every scenario

[atomic ravine]

Anyway I agree they are not very engaging but I don't think they are "too broken" until you get Architect

[keen solstice]

... You get curveclaw before architect and that thing is completely broken.

[fringe mountain]

Yeah architect was designed for people who just hate the needle ig 😭😭

[wind mulch]

they're just zooooring

[subtle lynx]

At least that requires silk, so you need to hit the boss or enemy to use it

[exotic dome]

silkshot is cool

[wind mulch]

missed opportunity

[keen solstice]

Again
Architect doesn't make red tools broken

[wind mulch]

silkshot is cool

[keen solstice]

Red tools themselves are just stupidly overtuned

[subtle lynx]

(silk hearts exist but whatever)

[atomic ravine]

Architects gimmicky itself is very difficult to design, infinite of your limited resource is like an INSANE thing to put in your gme

[keen solstice]

Wdym infinite it literally still uses shards

[subtle lynx]

Yeah and you can just not use it again

[fringe mountain]

3 red tools WITH the ability to refill them is ridiculous tbh

[light swan]

sil khearts:

[keen solstice]

Architect doesn't make non broken red tools broken

[subtle lynx]

Your trading time practicing the boss for grinding tools, which I think is much less fun but many people like that

[light swan]

can we balance red tools, not architect crest

[keen solstice]

Straight pin doesn't magically become better with architect

[wind mulch]

they're problematic in the sense theyre a missed opportunity i dont think the balancing is all that bad

[fringe mountain]

Can we balance both

[keen solstice]

Architect needs no balancing

[light swan]

if we balance red tools, architect will come with it

[fringe mountain]

But not make architect weaker just change the gimmick of it

[keen solstice]

It's special gimmick isn't even something special

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[subtle lynx]

Is there any broken red tool? Genuine question idk

[fringe mountain]

It’s so stupid to me

[light swan]

curvesickle voltvessel

[worldly umbra]

where the absolute hell is this website getting their info from

[exotic dome]

pollip is used invalid gif

[lavish apex]

almost all of them

[light swan]

tacks/cogfly

[wind mulch]

yea but nyleth deserves that

[lavish apex]

if you decide to use them in a specific way

[fringe mountain]

Literally most of them are broken

[keen solstice]

A whole bunch, curveclaw and voltvessels being the 2 dumbest ones

[subtle lynx]

I mean, compared to each other

[worldly umbra]

i expected an accurate website

[light swan]

so is wreath of purity, besides its average

[worldly umbra]

such larpees

[atomic ravine]

Yeah and I was even talking about it earlier when someone was complaining it drained too much resources, that is the balancing factor

The problem is that i find shards overall a pretty bad way to handle the system. It incentivises people to grind instead of using them wisely

[subtle lynx]

Yeah ofc, but comparing them to each other I was saying

[subtle lynx]

At least they are late game

[undone gate]

Nyleth is a fun boss she doesn't deserve that

[keen solstice]

.... No?

[worldly umbra]

uh oh it has a boss tip thing

[subtle lynx]

.... Yes?

[keen solstice]

CURVECLAW IS LITERALLY AT THE START OF ACT 1 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

And voltvessels are mid act 2

[subtle lynx]

Oh you're talking about non upgraded

[light swan]

cogflies are mid act 2

[subtle lynx]

I don't think that's overpowered compared to other red tools

[light swan]

cog wheel is also pretty strong despite being outclassed

[exotic dome]

curveclaw having an upgrade is crazy

[keen solstice]

Tacks are literally act 1

[atomic ravine]

Counterpoint, you can just not find it until the guy is dead so it's an act 3 exclusive tool and that makes it balanced

[fringe mountain]

Oh curveclaw and cog flies and if you’re good at the game you can use grapple and double jump twice to use delvers drill from very high up

[keen solstice]

If the guy dies you can get it in act 2

[atomic ravine]

(just to be clear, im joking)

[light swan]

counterpoint, you can just not find the dead guy so curveclaw doesnt exist making it balanaced

[subtle lynx]

At least that requires skill and interacting with enemies, I don't mind that

[keen solstice]

Fourteen damage per hit.
Hits multiple(5) times in 1 throw

[atomic ravine]

So true

[fringe mountain]

Delvers drill is the most fun red tool ever

[keen solstice]

Curvesickle is like 3 or 4 more damage

[undone gate]

It's only broken on big targets

[keen solstice]

Delver drill is one of the very few high damage red tools that is actually balanced

[keen solstice]

So most targets

Most bosses are literally big guys

[fringe mountain]

It’s an annoying skill shot that still counts as a use if you miss so makes sense

[keen solstice]

Let's not forget sting shard

[sour scarab]

meow meow meow ??

meow uwuow <3<33

[keen solstice]

You literally get that at the start of act 1 and it's extremely strong

[sour scarab]

mEOWWWW !

meow 🙁

[keen solstice]

Red tools just need their damage halved

Specifically the problematic ones

[subtle lynx]

I think they are fine

[keen solstice]

They're not

[sour scarab]

meow mEOW !

[subtle lynx]

Again, they are an option

[sour scarab]

meow 😔

[subtle lynx]

No ofc they are not, they are cheating as I've been saying this whole time, but they are still a choice

And they require grinding at the very least

[keen solstice]

Everything is cheating to you lol

[subtle lynx]

😭

[subtle lynx]

Literally just mentioned one thing

And never changed it

[wind mulch]

how do u cheat in silksong outside of glitches

[wind mulch]

FATALIS

[keen solstice]

beast crest

Basically silksong easy mode

[wind mulch]

its not cheating

its singleplayer anyway

[subtle lynx]

Dude you're literally calling a regular ass crest cheating and you're calling me out for calling red tools cheating 😭

[fiery burrow]

if you use wanderer or red tools or upgraded hunter you didn't REALLY beat silksong

[subtle lynx]

You're not real

[undone gate]

Mods

[exotic dome]

if you don't main cloakless crest you are cheating

[wind mulch]

its like elden ring all over again

[exotic dome]

the silksouls community

[keen solstice]

Well said regular ass crest let's you facetank almost every single encounter while dealing comparable damage to no hit hunter while also having 2 red slots and a hitbox the size of half the screen

[wind mulch]

neither are cheating

[keen solstice]

It may not be as strong as broken red tools but it's just as braindead

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/sk-skong-silk-song-silksong-gif-5179514145072108667

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hunter-crest-gif-8858155921754064903

That applies to every crest (except reaper)

[meager jolt]

Can't all the Crests do that?

[subtle lynx]

That's my whole point

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-average-gif-8365463044423717700

[keen solstice]

Not really
Every other crest needs brainpower

Beasg is completely devoid of brainpower

[subtle lynx]

Beast crest has the hardest to master jump and you have to gain your healing

[wind mulch]

much like a beast.....

woah..

[keen solstice]

It's basically the greatsword lions claw build of silksong

[subtle lynx]

And if you're good at the game, you can just be brain-dead with every crest

I'd say shaman is more braindead

[keen solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1437522190441517096/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_3.mp4?ex=69138c5e&is=69123ade&hm=1ac4aa3e37b189f18952b50fd98ba9a13c2ff631c03544af0973fc0fd67c93be&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1487537402292470092/Beastspeedkill.mov?ex=69d01829&is=69cec6a9&hm=af88432677e65494ea1ab6f8d29b09daec4f51ac4ad9be6581dbb062d8f9b7ed&

You earn your heals by facetanking

Doesn't need any brainpower

[subtle lynx]

Ah yes, my favourite gauntlet, when you just stand between 10 big high halls arena guys waiting for you to attack

[keen solstice]

A better example then
https://youtu.be/TQ_rh0kFqK4?si=XpjMggzg6Jbj2vAJ

[subtle lynx]

https://youtu.be/Wa8otppPhdk?si=zWMnXk1DN2zI1XQ_

https://youtu.be/E7AmT_p8Pcc?si=WOLuHBzLrUSkKXuK

[proud plume]

guys i can get red quill rn or should i wait and get purple one?

[keen solstice]

That's far slower than using beast lol

And far less effective

Also flea brew pollip pouch 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[exotic dome]

from what ive seen 18 seconds is possible with shaman crest btw

[subtle lynx]

https://youtube.com/shorts/uj-s3z-PQA8?si=68DU2x8jHMYnDNAn

[old thicket]

This is actually peak though and so is the Hunter one I got blinded though with this witch one

[keen solstice]

12s on architect is possible

Because of voltvessels

[exotic dome]

https://youtu.be/iBUmBeNV3rk this was my attempt

[subtle lynx]

So is shaman cheating too?

[keen solstice]

Shaman is basically hunter but even harder to play but stronger

[atomic ravine]

I'm out, I can't believe this person is genuinely going "Humm actually these builds that are in the game are cheating" in 2026

[exotic dome]

no it's a game feature

doesn't matter if it makes the game very easy and unfun, it's not cheating

[atomic ravine]

Bye everyone

[keen solstice]

You want to cheat? Spawn 15 choir clappers

[exotic dome]

and its a singleplayer anyway

[wind mulch]

how can people bring themselves to care about how people play a singleplayer game

[exotic dome]

here is the only video of rune rage being useful in existsnce

[atomic ravine]

I used this so much in my first playthrough because I thought it was cool and it looked like it dealt a lot of dmg

[heady iron]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[exotic dome]

hunters movement is more fun imo

[lavish apex]

this is, unfortunately, still a lot more effort than architect spam

[exotic dome]

i dont think anyone likes tool spam

[subtle lynx]

Nobody cares

[fiery burrow]

but maynard is a genius bro... no other band can even compare bro... they're a spiritual experience bro...

[subtle lynx]

When I say red tools are cheating, I'm talking about myself

Idc what other people do

@fiery burrow you changed your pfp

[fiery burrow]

I'm on that bull of heaven grind https://bullofheavendc.bandcamp.com/album/299-self-traitor-i-do-bring-the-spider-love

[graceful oyster]

4

[wind mulch]

her pfp is different like every other day

[exotic dome]

5

[wind mulch]

its hard to keep track

[worldly lake]

silks ong

[subtle lynx]

I already forgot what was the previous one to the previous one of this one

[old thicket]

I’m low-key kinda tempted to get fancy with shaman against karmelita on this second playthrough of mine, the first time I just face tanked her with wanderers

[sour scarab]

meow !!! 🧀

[old thicket]

Meow!

[atomic ravine]

Ow, and about the red tools I think they're this good to reward exploration

The whole games hinges on giving easier clears for people who explored more so people without a lot of experience don't get stuck permanently

So I think it'suposed to be like: "hey you aren't able to beat Moorwing on the 1 on 1, you can explore and find curveclaws to give you a huge edge"

[fiery burrow]

one of these probably

[sour scarab]

meow meow meow ?

[sour scarab]

meow 🫢

[exotic dome]

ts is not hk-general

[old thicket]

Meow meow?

[subtle lynx]

That would make sense

[atomic ravine]

Of course the game does that in different ways as well, you can completely skip act 1 bosses that would be a challenge via exploration. But in case not every player finds a solution. They'll be muktiple

[versed pollen]

Sometimes it's like that

[atomic ravine]

The games balanced for a first playthrough, not for replays when you know what's broken and get it as early as possible

[sour scarab]

meow 😻

[subtle lynx]

I never changed my pfp

Since I created this account

[sour scarab]

meow !

[clever flower]

I just got to the Citadel, I will be fr the zone before it? Probably one of my favs in the game, such a cool place

[exotic dome]

blasted steps?

[old thicket]

I’ve changed my pfp so many times I’ve lost count, I’ve had this current pfp for a hot minute though, which is surprising since I usually don’t keep self-drawn ones for long

[clever flower]

Yeah :D

[exotic dome]

yeah it has good atmosphere

[subtle lynx]

Nobody ever called blasted steps one of their favourite areas, but good for you

[stoic pike]

i beat groal thegreat a few days ago dude it took me forever

[subtle lynx]

Good for you too

[atomic ravine]

Blasted steps is so cool. I forgot about the "act 1" at the start of the game so I was like "wait is this the end of the game? Will I fight a final boss when I get to the citadel? Already"

[old thicket]

I skipped groal my first time through

[exotic dome]

i change it like once every 2 month

to random animal most of the time

[light swan]

hUH???

[atomic ravine]

Blasted steps has such last area energy as well

[light swan]

ive never seen you outside of whatsapp trobbio and this

[exotic dome]

yea this one stayed longer i guess

whatsapp trobbio was a nitro pfp and my nitro ended 💔

[subtle lynx]

Nitor

Why do people in USA not use WhatsApp

Are they stupid

[exotic dome]

what to they use

[keen solstice]

Brother it's the USA 😭

[light swan]

imessage, instragram, discord, etc

[atomic ravine]

Congrats on the Groal win. Where was your bench, just out of curiosity? 👀

[subtle lynx]

Idk, but their convo screenshots in memes and such are never WhatsApp screenshots

[light swan]

mostly imessage since a lot of us use iphone

[subtle lynx]

I've never seen WhatsApp screenshot that wasn't a Spanish conversation

[broken seal]

Asking if Americans are stupid is an oxymoron

[stoic pike]

it was in the hidden area but i only discovered it after a couple tries of doing the awful run back 😭

[ancient mortar]

as an american, yes.

[exotic dome]

most of europe and asia use whatsapp i think

[keen solstice]

America is basically the world capitol of stupidity 😭

[subtle lynx]

I think so

[subtle lynx]

And is it free

[light swan]

as an american

-# i will do my best to do my duty to god and my country to obey the scout law to help other people at all times to keep myself physically strong mentally awake and morally straight

[subtle lynx]

iPhone users here also use WhatsApp, since it's free

[broken seal]

so... gas prices, huh?

[stoic pike]

some do, but it’s usually immigrants
most white american ppl don’t tho for some reason

[old thicket]

Don’t even get me started, I’m rather embarrassed to call myself an American

[atomic ravine]

Yeah it's free for them

[ancient mortar]

Americans are in a constant shooting ourselves in the foot competition.

and we are somehow winning against ourselves

[subtle lynx]

That's why then

[light swan]

ahem. Baseball huh?

[atomic ravine]

That being said from what I know if you're not an iphone users you have way less features and the app outs you by having your speech bubble be a different color

[broken seal]

no, we're somehow LOSING against ourselves

[atomic ravine]

Idk if that's still a thing tho. USA people, is that a thing still?

[worldly lake]

god bless america 💔

[ancient mortar]

we're winning at shooting ourselves in the foot, is what i mean

[stoic pike]

yes it is

[exotic dome]

💔

[broken seal]

yeah, that tracks

[atomic ravine]

[keen solstice]

If only the people of the us can force the government to stop funding this terrorist state that's fucking invading and bombing my country rn

[old thicket]

I think America’s a bit too far gone for all of that but I appreciate the thought

[broken seal]

[keen solstice]

[subtle lynx]

Iran?

[keen solstice]

No??

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-eat-gif-19650944

[old thicket]

I wish I didn’t have to agree with you but it’s true 🥀

[worldly lake]

i'm american and yeah it's not looking too great

[subtle lynx]

Ok???

[keen solstice]

What is iran even invading bro 😭

[exotic dome]

its all yours relax bro

[ancient mortar]

i think they mean irans being invaded

[subtle lynx]

Re-read your message

[broken seal]

Fratute was asking if you were from Iran, i'm guessing you mean you're from Ukraine

[exotic dome]

usa is invading usa???

[heady iron]

Green bubbles give me the ick

Glory to Tim Cook or whoever in charge now

[old thicket]

Green bubbles?

[ancient mortar]

mods are going to start executing people for discussing politics

[worldly lake]

"hey siri, how many miles did i ran today?"
"ok sending missiles to iran today" 💔 💔 💔

[keen solstice]

P sure It's not getting invaded, it was and probably still is getting bombed, but I'm talking about lebanon

[broken seal]

ohhh lebanon

[light swan]

https://imgur.com/kEh8eeI

[exotic dome]

we are on thin ice

[subtle lynx]

What

[worldly lake]

can 2028 just hurry up already 😭

[broken seal]

thin ice you say..

[keen solstice]

Southern Lebanon is littered with terrorist occupier forces rn that are still bombing news reporters and demolishing houses

[exotic dome]

glory to gabe newell or whoevers in charge now

[subtle lynx]

I forgot that country existed ngl

[atomic ravine]

Green bubbles are Android users. They get less features when using iMessage and their speech bubbles are green instead of blue

[crisp raft]

i would've loved act 3 if it was just a little longer

[ancient mortar]

2028s gonna be my year nukes going off in background

[versed pollen]

What happens if you use GrapheneOS

[heady iron]

Android users are like so undateable ugh

[old thicket]

When people from other countries outside of the USA talk about moving here for a nice change I’m like beyond baffled because why on earth would you ever move here by your own free will??

[subtle lynx]

You know a lot about this for being a non American

[exotic dome]

propaganda works

[ancient mortar]

Hmm, i agree it could have used more areas, not small extensions to areas weve already explored.

[subtle lynx]

???

[worldly lake]

do they know? they don't know

[broken seal]

yeah go to like Denmark it's better in almost every conceivable way

[stoic pike]

US makes their countries unsafe for lack of better words. the living conditions are considerably safer than lots of other countries currently.

[subtle lynx]

Android users don't like getting scammed, that's the thing

[keen solstice]

The US is NOT safer than other countries

[stoic pike]

the usa goes and messes with other countries all the tiem :p
they use lots of propaganda

[atomic ravine]

Idk if it connects to iMessage at all but I assume any other OS gets translated to green bubbles

[subtle lynx]

You're privileged without knowing it

[versed pollen]

Big news

[light swan]

with great free will comes great freedom... god bless america!! :harmonica: :harmonica: 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[broken seal]

until the US invades Greenland to make it the 51st state and forces Denmark to go to war

[heady iron]

Keep telling yourself that broke boy 💋

[worldly lake]

i mean there are worse situations than the united states

[stoic pike]

while i agree with that in some ways, there are ways it is safer than others. for example, my home country is pakistan but i wouldn’t want to go there bc its a lot more unsafe to live and there are definitely possibilities of bombs and war inside the country itself. that’s what the US isn’t worried abt as much.
not really defending the us tho, they’re awful.

[old thicket]

I don’t think being arrested and kidnapped from the streets and workplaces for existing is being privileged lmao

[keen solstice]

Hollywood movies make people think America is all sunshine and rainbows when in reality it's basically a zoo for the most part

[graceful oyster]

It's a good thing Alaska isn't in the United States or else I might be a bit worried

[subtle lynx]

I'm not broke because I didn't spend 1.1k dollars on a phone

[onyx viper]

What about Canada

[light swan]

ikr

isnt europe great

[broken seal]

not as great as people think it is, but definitely a step up from many other countries

[light swan]

god bless the queen

[subtle lynx]

If you ask 90% of the world if they'd trade their position with you rn, they would

[exotic dome]

yea people literally larp about america because of hollywood

[atomic ravine]

Culture osmosis, i just consume a lot of media and talk with people in English a ton

[graceful oyster]

Also Android supremacy. I would like to use my phone please, I don't need a baby gated cell device like the rest of the sheeple.

[light swan]

sheeper

[subtle lynx]

Well, Hollywood must be the greatest propaganda ever, since everyone wants to move to America

[onyx viper]

Android is very bettorly

[versed pollen]

90% of the world is a drastic exaggeration but yes people who are moving to the US would probably trade for that

[exotic dome]

it is one of the greatest yeah

[graceful oyster]

Apple will NEVER integrate a removable SD card or let you access your files

[keen solstice]

They also believe the middle east is filled with savages thanks to hollywood movies

[worldly lake]

that's just what happens when you're the world's foremost superpower

[ancient mortar]

Yeah, a lot of great features on non apple phones like a battery life longer than 5 minutes.

Especially phones with actually good power saving modes

[subtle lynx]

Yeah, I can't play Pvz2 mods on IOS nor hack games!!!

[broken seal]

Solution: DENMARK. Beautiful place, good policies, public and free education and healthcare for all, good weather, lovely people, and downright GORGEOUS

[graceful oyster]

If I turn my 4 year old phone on power saving mode it lasts like 2 days without charging

[worldly lake]

people automatically assume that the us is the greatest country to live in

[graceful oyster]

$300 Android

[subtle lynx]

Free education and healthcare don't exist bud😭

[ancient mortar]

reminds me of the fanmade pc port/balance fix of pvz2 that i found.

[exotic dome]

thats not propaganda thats a different topic

[keen solstice]

Went to denmark
Worked for 4 months there
Got kicked back to uae then to Lebanon by my sistee

[light swan]

god bless america

[keen solstice]

Um
They do

[light swan]

i should stop saying that i sound weird

[sour yew]

i love how theres js nothing i can do to get balm for the wounded on my quest board

[subtle lynx]

It feels like I'm talking to a child

[keen solstice]

That is propaganda
False propaganda at that tol

[worldly lake]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER RAAAAAHHHHHHH

[subtle lynx]

I probably am

[atomic ravine]

Mostly because you guys can actually have disposable income in some way. Most people for a lot of third world countries can't even pay for food and shelter even having a decent job.

Like minimum wage where I live is about 280 dollars a month

[keen solstice]

Brother i literally went to denmark and got healthcare for free 😭
In lebanon there's literally public schools that teach for FREE

[fiery burrow]

famously not a single country without free healthcare or education

[subtle lynx]

Yeah most people can't afford talking in a silksong discord server

[light swan]

free schools? arent teachers struggling enough

[subtle lynx]

Anyone who's finished school can tell the difference between public and free

[fiery burrow]

but I would rather not pay more taxes than have people not die

[keen solstice]

Public schools literally don't make you pay to learn 😭

[subtle lynx]

They do...

It's called taxes

[versed pollen]

Since we're talking about operating systems and politics I think now is a fun time to bring up government entities enforcing age verification at an OS level in a blatant attempt to create a mass surveillance network

[trim estuary]

[keen solstice]

.
Paying taxes is a completely different thing than paying to learn in the school

😭

[ancient mortar]

oh boy i love mass surveilance!

[broken seal]

[versed pollen]

Tax paid public school is certainly not free but I feel like that's a weird distinction to make

[keen solstice]

May they get hacked a billion times

[exotic dome]

you will own nothing and be happy!

[subtle lynx]

"free" schools are just public schools that instead of paying up front you pay through your taxes and everyone does, so everything you buy is more expensive because "free" schools and hospitals exist...

[broken seal]

let your country control your mind

[worldly lake]

the unenlightened masses
they cannot make the judgement calls

[fiery burrow]

go my random mgrr clip

[atomic ravine]

I get what you are saying but public health care and schooling is literally the best uses out of taxes you could have.

Everyone pays a little, almost insificant amount so they have an option if you get a rare disease or a big accident they have where to fall back to

[opaque sigil]

Oh no not government spending on healthcare and education

[atomic ravine]

It's not free but it's great that it exists

[versed pollen]

Fuuuuuck this video isn't playing for me it's just audio

[broken seal]

the fires of greed will burn the weak, so we'll make freedom obsolete

[subtle lynx]

I literally never made a judgement on public Vs private

[fiery burrow]

hahah walked right into it