sk-discussion

[light swan]

just swap during combat

[orchid spruce]

doodoo mechanics

[trim wedge]

they thought it would work as good crowd control, unfortunately it doesn't even track enemies

[lavish apex]

whereas until you're already basically good enough to nohit fights silk skills are not helping that much and it's better to save it for healing

[exotic dome]

memory lockets are fine

[sharp slate]

i honestly didnt hate memory lockets though i stayed with hunter crest for my first playthrough

[trim wedge]

same with spells

[graceful oyster]

I love Costco

[sharp slate]

i think they are fine on replay as well

[exotic cedar]

Me when i die to a boss when the boss is one hit away from death

[lavish apex]

not even a little bit

[light swan]

i saved up memory lockets until i found a crest i loved

[orchid spruce]

omg, i got a new crest, i'm so excited to switch back to my original crest bc this new one has no slots on it

[light swan]

(i found a crest i loved)

[trim wedge]

yes

[graceful oyster]

Also you should know about Costco they're everywhere down there

[trim wedge]

it's the same

[exotic dome]

thread storm works better 99.7% of the time 💔

[subtle skiff]

I didnt really like silk skills ngl, being forced to choose a single one ive found to be extremely limiting

[trim wedge]

yes agreed

[light swan]

i know what costco is, its funny how its come up 11 times from you tho lol

[sharp slate]

kinda true for hk spells as well though, obviously hk doesnt have a steep healing cost which is why silksong has harder time for spell usage in the beginning

[trim wedge]

shaman crest

[light swan]

just use your memory lockets 🙄

whn you find a crest you like

[graceful oyster]

I think most of that was discussion with jibbities

[orchid spruce]

my favourite aspect about metroidvanias, resource management

i'll just go play Oxygen Not Included

[light swan]

the jibbities talked about costco ?? lol wtf

[graceful oyster]

Supermarkets was generally the topic iirc

[lavish apex]

objectively wrong. silk skills consume more of your resource bar, which you need more of to heal, which the damage balancing for every boss in the entire game is built around
not to mention that the only equippables that help with the silk economy in a meaningful way are locked behind finishing like 80% of the game

in hk the second charm most people are likely to find gives you more soul

[trim wedge]

and if we're talking about healing then man HK healing feels so ass

[subtle skiff]

By the time I got shaman ive ignored silk skills as something that isnt interesting for so long and got so used to the moveset of the crest I used all game that I had no interest in switching

[graceful oyster]

I have so many egg clips saved on my phone, this is so funny to me

[lavish apex]

there are 3 more you can get in midgame

[trim wedge]

sitting in a corner praying I don't get hit

they even made fights where healing is nonsensical

[lavish apex]

silksong healing is a cool mechanic but needing to pick your moments better in hk is also cool

[trim wedge]

silksong utilizes both healing and skills in a good way, as well as giving you tools to compensate

[trim estuary]

truth nuke

[trim wedge]

the charm system was so unbalanced

[exotic dome]

healing window is a cool thing but there are more negatives than positives

[lavish apex]

i don't care about using silk skills

i practically never have

even in my nohits i barely do

[exotic dome]

tools are unbalanced too

[subtle skiff]

Theres really only like, marmu

Assuming no charms

[lavish apex]

this isn't true

[subtle skiff]

With qf unn you can spam heal absolutely everyone

[sharp slate]

i think you are missing out on some of the fun then

[trim wedge]

at least you ain't seeing people equip the same 2 tools like the same three charms from HK (quickslash, unbreakable strength, shaman stone)

[sharp slate]

i use sharp dart all the time and its really worth it

even tossing in pale nails or a spear at certain times

[light swan]

this is why we play witch crest

[orchid spruce]

WTF Ori 2 is lowkey peak rn

[graceful oyster]

Silk skills in nohits are pretty essential to efficiency

[sharp slate]

cross stitch is just way to fucking boring

[orchid spruce]

the music is goated

[trim wedge]

sisters of battle? pure vessel?

[trim wedge]

nahhh

[thorn oar]

Pale nails are easily my favorite but you unlock them so late

[lavish apex]

fewer healing opportunites and soul charms as well as the lower base cost for them make spells much more economical than silk skills

like, incomparably so

[sharp slate]

they definetely increase the damage output

[graceful cairn]

true...

[trim wedge]

so are you tryna defend the fewer healing opportunities in HK

[light swan]

i shuold make a cursed crest video at some point

[trim wedge]

like bruh

[light swan]

feel like using an afterimage song for it

[sharp slate]

Thats fair I agree to an extent, but even if you watch people play their first playthrough in hk they dont use that many spells because they are using it for healing

[subtle skiff]

Pv has stagger, focus, pillars as consistent no charm heals, SoB is actually a good point I dont remember healing windows although you probably can on disk throw?

[lavish apex]

also lower enemy damage

silksong encourages you to hoard silk for heals instead of spending it on your damage and hk really doesn't

[trim wedge]

pv's stagger lets you heal one mask, in a fight where everything does 2 masks of damage, there isn't even any point in trying

[sharp slate]

i do think in hk you are likely to use spells sooner than skongs silk skills

[subtle skiff]

PVs stagger lets you heal 2 masks if he starts while youre on the ground

[trim wedge]

HK js makes healing hella boring

[sharp slate]

i think hks healing is fine for its moveset

[exotic dome]

i love sk healing beacuse it balances the double dmg

[subtle skiff]

Also there is as I said 2 other considtent spots

[trim wedge]

very unlikely for someone to start from the ground

[orchid spruce]

why am i struggling with ori2 tutorial

[subtle skiff]

Not really

[sharp slate]

I like it to some extent but i feel like enemies need a way to punish you for healing at the roof of the arena

[fiery burrow]

what kinda logic is that

[sharp slate]

probably why we see so many flying enemies in HHG because of the healing in air aspect

[fiery burrow]

just stagger it twice

[subtle skiff]

If you know this you can even just priotitize being on the ground slightly and get 2 more consistently

[light swan]

the only time i felt like i didnt want to use silk skills is when i was on witch crest

cuz not only was i already hard pressed for healing, id prefer get damage from my bind anyway

[trim wedge]

if you can stagger him twice without getting hit why bother healing then

[fiery burrow]

cuz I got hit bruh

[thorn oar]

Sometimes I just forget silk skills exist

[light swan]

but then silk economy got way too easy so i started spamming cross stich

[orchid spruce]

lmao i need help with the tutorial

[exotic dome]

i used every silk skill a lot except palenails and ai rage

[trim wedge]

it's far more efficient to js spam spells in the meantime

[light swan]

its ok towel i got hit on every tutorial in mio except for ||sail|| MIO SPOILERS

[subtle skiff]

Healing 1 mask also absolutely can decide between a win and a loss quite easily in a 2 damage fight

[light swan]

on my "glass soul" playthrough

[fiery burrow]

you can both use spells and heal tho

[trim wedge]

I used pale nails a lot, it's really great ngl

[exotic dome]

it's goated in shaman crest

[subtle skiff]

Especially since atleast focus is another free madk atleast

I can understand the argument for not pillars healing thats a bit more of an advanced strat but focus is free

[orchid spruce]

what is this tutorial wtf

[lavish apex]

i also think this

i just lament the fact that it cripples the tradeoff hk had with soul

[exotic dome]

was it the ||wolf boss|| or something

[lavish apex]

it's still good and it fits with the game

[orchid spruce]

ori 2 one sec into the game spoilers

how do i advance wth

[light swan]

i like how witch multibinder bind balances barbed bracelet 4 damage

[fiery burrow]

bring back 2019 bind

[graceful cairn]

its not THAT hard to go right bro

[fiery burrow]

You'd just be legit unkillable

[lavish apex]

wasn't it like. instant

[exotic dome]

yes

[fiery burrow]

how fast were bosses back in the day

[exotic dome]

trobbio's actor said all bosses were harder

[orchid spruce]

thaunks

[lavish apex]

to make up for this it has red tools which are their own can of ass

[fiery burrow]

true

ngl I was the biggest spell glazer in HK and I fell into the trap of not using them in Silksong

or tools

[exotic dome]

i think this encourages to interact with the boss more

[lavish apex]

exactly the same on my first playthrough

[exotic dome]

i used skills but not tools outside of tools like flintslate

[graceful oyster]

[subtle skiff]

Yep same, I tried both skills and tools for the first couple bosses, skills werent interesting and tools were tied to a limited resource and as such I instantly disregarded them because Im not farming shit lol( i also found most of them to be incredibly uninteresting )

[fiery burrow]

😔

I do quite like silkspear and gossamer storm

[lavish apex]

this happens to a lot of people

[exotic dome]

idk, skills are cool imo

[fiery burrow]

Also sucks that you can only equip one spell

[exotic dome]

can we remove tools and equip 3 spells for every crest

[orchid spruce]

the skills/tools don't feel integral to the core combat

[lavish apex]

and make them cost 3 strands

[fiery burrow]

Could they get away with a separate button for tools and spells

[lavish apex]

and have items that actually give you more silk

[fiery burrow]

I feel like 3 attacks and a heal is a reasonable control scheme

ig there's harpoon

[hybrid flare]

I js love nail combat in sk so much more

[orchid spruce]

i much prefer how HK did it, the first spell is forced in your face by the miniboss right there and green path. also the spells unlock pathways.

it's just a better system

[hybrid flare]

Especially if you clawline the shit out of things

[fiery burrow]

no quickslash its over in that department

[lavish apex]

nail combat in sk IS better

[fiery burrow]

unless you're doing some super cool combos

[exotic dome]

nail combat is better because peak movement

[fiery burrow]

also no narts???

[lavish apex]

i just don't like the other mechanics

[orchid spruce]

and clawline

[hybrid flare]

Oh wow you dont need a stupidly broken charm to mash a stupidly simple button

[fiery burrow]

sprint attacks and clawline are great

[orchid spruce]

and sprint attacks too

[subtle skiff]

I feel like you can make sks combat interesting, but it doesnt really actually get interesting unless you go out of your way to make it so

[lavish apex]

like i still love skong combat

[fiery burrow]

I do think those overall make for a better system

[hybrid flare]

Narts are mostly fine but some of them suck

[lavish apex]

i still love skong in general

[hybrid flare]

reapers nart what are we doing

[oblique grove]

im gonna kms how can i get past the mist 💔

[exotic dome]

sk's combat is still peak idc about tools

[lavish apex]

i just wish i loved it a lot more than i do

[hybrid flare]

tools either break the game or add some more techmaxxing

[oblique grove]

i never knew silksong had a collab with silent hill though

[orchid spruce]

ori 2 atmosphere is so good wtf

[hybrid flare]

My love for skillsong is unconditional silksongs the favourite child of my games

[orchid spruce]

shame i can't play it at max graphics bc my laptop will fucking explode

[fiery burrow]

if you want the straight up answer ||needolin the glowing flies||

[hybrid flare]

im surprised how you run it at all

it looks like a performance heavy game

[orchid spruce]

i have everything at the lowest settings

[fiery burrow]

Tools are fun I just wish there was some more variety

[subtle skiff]

In HK just high level gameplay itself feels really good, even when you dont really optimize anything, In sk i kinda feel like im farming style points every time I try to play it more dynamically interesting and engaging in its systems

Like im going out of my way to press more buttons if that makes sense

[fiery burrow]

I can think of a better game to farm style points

[charred tiger]

awoo

[ionic stump]

Hot take i wish gms was harder

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/james-sunderland-silent-hill-2-video-tape-tired-gif-4957921194616308317

[exotic dome]

thats the coldest take ever

[lavish apex]

after my first playthrough i lowkey hated it

[charred tiger]

not hot take at all

[subtle skiff]

Coldest take of all time gms sucks

[ionic stump]

Idk she looks so cool

And she dies very easily

[lavish apex]

but reflection and subsequent playthroughs have for the most part fixed that

i still think the game has some really unfortunate problems

[hybrid flare]

By doing what, ultrakilling?

[orchid spruce]

reflection made me dislike the game more and more

[charred tiger]

only hard thing about gms is for the achievement xhen u kill her cursef

[orchid spruce]

it only ever goes down, unless SoS salvages the game

[subtle skiff]

I was so let down with gms it killed most interest i had in sk as a whole funnily enough

[hybrid flare]

holy anti-glaze

[ionic stump]

Yes she os easy bc of the cursed achievement

[fiery burrow]

ofc

[ionic stump]

But then pop exists

[fiery burrow]

Yeah dude GMS lowk pissed me off

[ionic stump]

She shouldn't be that easy

[exotic dome]

temu radiance 💔

[fiery burrow]

They actually had the nerve to rip off Radiance's intro and then make another no contact damage projectile higher being fight 😭

[orchid spruce]

that's just kinda the "signature" of HK franchaise of having the false ending final boss be easy atp tbh

[ionic stump]

I beat her with every crest,( even shaman through mods)

[subtle skiff]

After gms i really only ran straight to karmelitta because I heard shes good and havent touched the game since lmao

[orchid spruce]

same like Blasphemous's signature of having an easy dumbass final boss

[quartz veldt]

at least u still have to fight hk before the radiance

[orchid spruce]

i said "ahh", please execute me

[subtle skiff]

Wait Karmelitta id the hk npc isnt it lmao, what is the boss called

[exotic dome]

blasphemous signature of having mid bosses

[ionic stump]

I mean hk is easy

[fiery burrow]

Karmelita is right

[subtle skiff]

Im goated

[ionic stump]

Karmelitta is peak

[fiery burrow]

Are you thinking of Emilitia

[orchid spruce]

heard b1 had better bosses but the gameplay is so ass I don't wanna sit through that just for the mildly better bosses

[quartz veldt]

that’s my point; easy boss but u do still need to do it before rad each attempt

[ionic stump]

I also love doing khan gauntlets

[quartz veldt]

with LL and the other one they aren’t directly connected or anything in gameplay

[subtle skiff]

I havent played HK in 3 years and havent seen overworld in 5 I have no idea

[trim wedge]

coral tower was so peak

[hybrid flare]

And make a more mechanically interesting fight regardless

[ionic stump]

Yeah radiance walk back is easy abs rad on the other hand...

[fiery burrow]

Nah Rad has plats and climb that's hard to beat

[hybrid flare]

seeing ce shotgun, matamancer filth

[orchid spruce]

HOLY SHIT, ORI 2 HAS ATTACK AIRSTALL

[charred tiger]

i wish you could genocide the fleas and steal all the loot without playing minigames

[fiery burrow]

GMS is just phase 1 rad

[orchid spruce]

this shit WILL be peak

[hybrid flare]

plants feel lwk like palestag sometimes and climb is fun ig

[trim wedge]

tbh GMS was underwhelming but not frustrating either

[hybrid flare]

gms has more interesting hazards but she's too easy because of her simplicity

[ionic stump]

She should have been stronger

[subtle skiff]

GMS is basically just p1 rad but in worse lmao

[hybrid flare]

this is like, one of the few times i do take difficulty into account

[hybrid flare]

gms mogs rad

[trim wedge]

anyday

[hybrid flare]

hop on rad rn itll feel like the sloggiest fight oat

[ionic stump]

I mean she technically is the final act 2 boss

[trim wedge]

rad is a slogfest

[fiery burrow]

Interesting hazards and she just makes a third of the arena unreachable 🥀

[trim wedge]

annoying and too long

[fiery burrow]

Rad let you like pogo and use an aerial playstyle

[trim wedge]

so does rad??

[fiery burrow]

She does not

[exotic dome]

awakened gms should've been the vanilla gms

[trim wedge]

yes she does

[subtle skiff]

In no way shape or form does gms mog rad gms is so crazy simple I wouldnt even compare her to thk

[ionic stump]

That's having said should I go fight pure vessel again or go to xen?

[charred tiger]

is my wish so bad nobody answered...

[fiery burrow]

I mean she legit doesn't idk what to tell you you can pogo the spikes or just pogo Rad

I mean DDark just completely makes the spikes go away too if you're lame

[ionic stump]

On my first play through i just spammed abyss shrieks

[trim wedge]

ah yes pogo rad as if she won't spam nails on you

[orchid spruce]

ori 2 gives weapon enemies contact damage
this game is gonna be ASS

[subtle skiff]

She will not if you know what youre doinh

[hybrid flare]

gms does what

you can pogo gms as well as rad

even more dynamically as she actually fucking moves

[trim wedge]

the only points I give to rad is for presentation, the fight mechanically is really mid

[hybrid flare]

Aged like milk

narratively she's also fine

[ionic stump]

I mean gms is easier bc hornet kit is stronger than knight kit

[fiery burrow]

bro

[trim wedge]

some people have the audacity to say rad is better than LL lmao

[fiery burrow]

pogo what

[subtle skiff]

Gms is also easier because gms has maybe like 3 moves

[fiery burrow]

me

LL is entirely reused attacks it lowk ruined the ending

[ionic stump]

We aren't even including abs rad

[fiery burrow]

teleport spam

[trim wedge]

sure man if you like slogfest

[trim wedge]

you mean rad?

[subtle skiff]

Absrad solos absolutely everything that Ive played in sk and its not close, absrad skill expression in high level play is ridiculous

[trim wedge]

LL teleports near you at least, instead of js teleporting above the spikes

[fiery burrow]

You can get in a ton of damage in before a Rad teleport

[ionic stump]

Ll is just surviving long enough. On one point I just dropped all of my reds and used plasmium

[fiery burrow]

You can also go above the spikes or just delete them 🥀

[ionic stump]

To survive more

[trim wedge]

RNG spam slogfest

[fiery burrow]

AbsRad is lowk my favorite 2d boss

[subtle skiff]

Absrad is 100% consistent

The highest rad streak is 42

[charred tiger]

i want a pale king bossfight

[exotic dome]

i like karm and ll more, absrad is 3rd

[trim wedge]

Lost Lace is far better than any HK boss except Pure Vessel and it's not even close

[orchid spruce]

i honestly don't know how you can put absrad above egg

[hybrid flare]

Rad is a dream warrior premium fight idk what to tell you

[ionic stump]

Ll is pure vessel ripoff tbh

[orchid spruce]

😃 😃

[subtle skiff]

The variance is exactly why I say its skill expression is so high, the amount of patterns that emerge that you need to play around is incredible

[fiery burrow]

She doesn't play very similarly other than attacking through projectiles

[hybrid flare]

egg mogs

[ionic stump]

Primal aspids solos both

[orchid spruce]

unless star hasn't played 9S

[hybrid flare]

And teleporting away, being a semi static flying hitbox

[fiery burrow]

And the final boss shaking up gameplay is a good thing to do and mogs a final boss made out of reused attacks and a reused design with reused old lore from the previous game

[hybrid flare]

Old reused lore as the context is wildly different

[subtle skiff]

I will put PV above her but yeah shes my 2nd favorite

[hybrid flare]

the design does suck ill give you that

[ionic stump]

Burnt croissant

[quartz cave]

Of course its yato saying this

[fiery burrow]

this is my OC guys she's like Lace but she's gone evil and twisted from the void ❤️ I hope you like it

[quartz cave]

Might as well be named john PV

[orchid spruce]

lmao

[graceful oyster]

I'm so sorry but this is so wrong

[trim wedge]

LL is far more complex than PV, and PV is my fav fight of all time

[subtle skiff]

Ismoil I have 350 hours on PV what do you expect

[ionic stump]

I prefer cradle lace over ll

[quartz cave]

Hk fans try to spend their hours in a good game (impossible)

[fiery burrow]

Cradle lace not teleporting every 5 seconds is nice

[graceful oyster]

Complexity isn't always a good thing, and here that is the case

[fiery burrow]

Good flow

[hybrid flare]

But it actually fits thematically and idk man, you could call pv a powerscaler's dream if we go by that route

[normal bramble]

Id say mantis lords and both grimms are also better

[fiery burrow]

PV doesn't have good lore either yeah

[ionic stump]

Love o
Paryying lace parries

[hybrid flare]

Concept wise i mean

[trim wedge]

Lost Lace is genuinely awesome

[quartz veldt]

as a hollow knight fan with several thousand hours in tf2 i resent this statement t

[hybrid flare]

Oooo look its thk but HES WHITE NOW and hes also clean and prime

[subtle skiff]

Nah ive broken the curse my last real activity in hk was 3 years ago 🙏

[graceful oyster]

Lost Lace in a vacuum is a decent boss yes

[fiery burrow]

PV looks fine and fits with the overall character and isn't as jarring as a void infection lmao

[quartz cave]

Three years clean ❤️‍🩹

[trim wedge]

If you said sisters of battle it would have been believable, and Grimm js gets lot less fun once you get him down

[hybrid flare]

I loved seeing the void characterized as the primordial destructive force it is supposed to be rather than tk's hugging couch

[subtle skiff]

Ive stolen every worlds first imaginabld and simply let the newgens busy themselves with the slop that is speedkills now , its great

[ionic stump]

Sisters of battle and nkg

[fiery burrow]

Fantasy writers realizing they forgot to include the primordial darkness from before time itself that yearns to consume all but will never have its hunger satiated

[normal bramble]

Have yet to do P5, and I do radiant NKG as my warm up whenever I get on HK and I still love his fight though so I’ll heavily disagree

[ionic stump]

Also for some reason watcher knight

I used to hate them

[trim wedge]

NKG isn't as good as SoB ngl

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/suppasit-mewpie-mewsuppasit-mew-laugh-gif-21409533

[quartz cave]

Yato have you played prince of persia the lost crown

[normal bramble]

(I’ve fought NKG an absurd amount of time compared to every other boss ever)

[broken seal]

The "void infection" of Act 3 wasn't the Void, it was the Haunting but with Voided threads. All of the regular enemies were still under the control of GMS, who survived the void consuming her completely by hiding in her cocoon.

[charred tiger]

who's yato

[fiery burrow]

The haunting is also an infection bro

[ionic stump]

Void was just a buff

[fiery burrow]

Its void infection

[hybrid flare]

Instead of being a joke plasticine for pk

[quartz cave]

Its like i can still hear him........

[fiery burrow]

TC legit had no new ideas for this game its crazy

We also got lifeblood infection in the wormways

[broken seal]

Not really but also it isn't the Void that's causing the enemies to do what they're doing, it's still GMS

[ionic stump]

It was supposed to be dlc

[fiery burrow]

Lore specifically gameplay is fine btw

[hybrid flare]

Cant argue otherwise its bad

[subtle skiff]

Holy shit I just noticed the fuckers even stole that from Tolkien( he drew his references for that from norse myth aswell tbf but still )

[fiery burrow]

OK?

[hybrid flare]

im not too against recycled stuff as more stuff can pile up and cause an infinity of inconsistencies (jjba as the prime example)

[ionic stump]

Also sea of sorrows will probably be focused on lifeblood

That's what I heard

[hybrid flare]

the song element being new, although underused is enough

[trim wedge]

rival boss being reused is normal bruh, sekiro did it with genichiro

there's vergil

[hybrid flare]

ON GOD they did the final boss fight narratively so bad

i would've had a third genichiro happily instead of asshin

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/karylle-laughing-gif-26031794

[fiery burrow]

Remember when the Blackwyrm struck the First Light, the Everbloom and then the void sucked it all up

[hybrid flare]

(Googa booga i want to kick ass im old but prime)

[graceful oyster]

Look okay, I have this in one of my little side stories but it's different okay? It's just normal darkness, just the lack of light, but it's bad (subjectively) because the ecosystem there consists of bodies of "flora" and "fauna" that reflect and refract light around as a byproduct of their way of life, so, no light = no life.
So like, it's different...

[fiery burrow]

Really liked that story moment

[trim wedge]

huh I don mind it

[ionic stump]

NGL final boss should have been primal aspid

[trim wedge]

Isshin is a freaking cool boss

[hybrid flare]

really liked when dung defender mentioned ts and never elaborated upon

[trim wedge]

one of the best movesets ever

[hybrid flare]

Yeah mechanically he's my favourite or 2nd favourite but you did all this journey to face off a bum that wants to fight

[graceful oyster]

(It's not different)

[hybrid flare]

like mate js let me accomplish my objective and then ill duel you whats stopping me

[trim wedge]

never sits right with me either but oh man the fight is a 10/10

[hybrid flare]

Yeah the fight is absolutely fantastic

would've wished some more for the third phase but its a small nitpick

[quartz cave]

Yato ignored me i think hes evil

[trim wedge]

prolly my second fav boss in gaming

[subtle skiff]

Modern fantasy really is build up of either tolkien, le guin, g.r.r martin or martin e howard, crazy how influental these authors are when you think about it

[subtle skiff]

Shit i missed that message

[quartz cave]

"Evil yato"

[subtle skiff]

I have not I dont really play video games anymore

[hybrid flare]

silksong either makes parallels or reverses roles in silksong which im fine with

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-miles-morales-i-love-chai-tea-chai-tea-tea-gif-4537088392959266195

[hybrid flare]

the standalone story is good enough and it has to make callbacks

[broken seal]

when people in the past make lots of content, it's hard to create new content that doesn't overlap with themes or concepts that they use

[hybrid flare]

but act 3 is kinda weirdly paced and ass-outed

[fiery burrow]

(even your own concepts)

[graceful oyster]

TRUE

I try really hard to come up with original stuff and it's not easy

[hybrid flare]

yeah but is there any other soulslike that forces you to murder beasts

bet there isn't, therefore bb wins

[subtle skiff]

Tbf this isnt really the case for tolkien, that man straight up made modern medieval fantasy those influences are very much intentional

[orchid spruce]

nine sols final boss spoilers ||Eigong has a move whose internal name is just Isshin lmao||

[graceful oyster]

Making "alien" ecosystems that defy the standards we know of life and physics is really hard

[hybrid flare]

Which one is it just out of curiosity to see resemblance

[orchid spruce]

dunno, it's just heresy

[jagged ledge]

Whats ur opinion on quitting in ss right before youre gonna die

[hybrid flare]

eggnog was taught by asshin

[compact cargo]

Guys where I can find the right side scale mod

[hybrid flare]

in my dreams

[graceful oyster]

It's cheating, but if you don't care about cheating go for it

[orchid spruce]

it's so obvious egg was inspired by asshin

[subtle skiff]

Fantasy doesnt need smithing dwarfs, orcs or tall elfs, it just does because tolkien did it and most writers were ofcourse influenced by him heavily

[fiery burrow]

i can't bring myself to care 💔

[hybrid flare]

Yeah

[graceful oyster]

It does defeat the whole point of Steel Soul

[hybrid flare]

and egg overall is actually better

[orchid spruce]

the entire game's mechanics are sekiro's mechanics but copy pasted into 2D

[hybrid flare]

because she has some narrative weight to her

[orchid spruce]

[hybrid flare]

(and just quite a bit worse)

[fiery burrow]

Why would you ever want a fantasy world without smithing dwarves

[hybrid flare]

for no reason

theres even a fucking grappling hook that does THE SAME

[orchid spruce]

never played sekiro so can't comment, i only saw a bit on the abilities

[orchid spruce]

aw man

[timid sky]

Never seen anything from sekiro

[broken seal]

it's why i don't really like the excuse of tropes being "overused therefore bad" because by the very nature of writing and storytelling, you're going to end up with concepts being reused, even unintentionally. If it's poorly written that's different, but i see people calling certain things bad JUST BECAUSE they use a trope that's used often, even when the actual use of that trope was good. Also comparing everything to other examples of similar tropes (especially ones that are heavily regarded as amazing) is unfair. Saying a chef is bad because you compare his cooking to that of Gordon Ramsay doesn't make sense; just because it's been done better doesn't mean that level is the baseline for what's considered good.

[trim wedge]

is eigong really that good?

[orchid spruce]

i love my sekiroclone-slop

[hybrid flare]

absolutely

[orchid spruce]

peak

[hybrid flare]

has the best 2d boss

oh man eggnog 3rd phase gotta be in my top 10 gaming experiences

[graceful oyster]

Best boss I've ever played

Er I mean, uh, she's mid

Just alright

[trim wedge]

interesting

[hybrid flare]

yeah eggnog is actually terrible she's not a big floating hitbox above platforms

[graceful oyster]

Don't go into it expecting too much yk

[broken seal]

not specifically talking about hk/sk with this i mean generally, though i do see some of this happen in criticisms of hk/sk

[subtle skiff]

Im not dissing modern fantasy for like "stealing ideas" or whatever obviously, its literature, ofcourse its influenced by the greats before it, i just tvink its interesting to draw the parallels and see the massive influences of the cornerstones of the Genre

[timid sky]

Gog was ok

[quartz cave]

Chat tldr

[trim wedge]

idk if I'll like her as much as PV but now I gotta check

[hybrid flare]

actually there is a big floating hitbox thats above a platform that has a banger fight

[timid sky]

But just because i played on story mode

[hybrid flare]

and that's speeper my beloved goat

[graceful oyster]

Yeah see you get it

[subtle skiff]

Oh yeah I completely agree

[trim wedge]

real

[graceful oyster]

We need to say egg is mid so that when people get to it they get blown away by how remarkable it is

[trim wedge]

not absolute radiance=bad

[graceful oyster]

[hybrid flare]

egg had impossibly big expectations and it lived up

[timid sky]

||embed fail||? Mio late game spolier

[hybrid flare]

He who takes the vertebrae

[timid sky]

Oh

[graceful oyster]

I literally bought the game to fight her and I don't regret it at all

[timid sky]

Well theres more

[hybrid flare]

because embed failure are 2 medium hitboxes

not a single one but they're better imo

[timid sky]

Eh fair enough

[hybrid flare]

best duo fight

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-black-khan-mongolia-gif-14203750962198594973

[hybrid flare]

mio has 2 banger duo fights like damn

[timid sky]

I finally beat them and the key was just spamming hairpin

[errant ingot]

whats the best boss refight mod for sk

[timid sky]

Is ||anra & halyn|| a duo fight

[fiery burrow]

playing nine sols without knowing about the final boss is like watching breaking bad without having already seen the ending in one way or another

[hybrid flare]

almost compensates for the dissapointment that i felt when killing ornstein and smough

[hybrid flare]

Nope

[timid sky]

Im trying to remember

[trim wedge]

godhome mod ig

[hybrid flare]

Guess i got, what i deserved 🗣️ 🔥

[timid sky]

Theres only 20 bosses shouldnt be too hard

[trim wedge]

js don't play your own save with it installed

[hybrid flare]

duo eggs are a mid fight tbf

[orchid spruce]

double burgerkings?

[graceful oyster]

It's probably a better experience but DANG it was so cool to have known about the fight for so long and to finally get there and experience it myself for the first time. It was SUCH a hype moment with the introduction and music and stuff

[hybrid flare]

yeah

[orchid spruce]

yeah, it is mid ass. i first tried it

would be pretty good if they had more hp

[graceful oyster]

Something I'll remember for a while

[timid sky]

Yeah
Its just the first boss but copypasted at a point in time when you already have all upgrades

[hybrid flare]

not rlly about that they're just burgerking but occupy more space

I mogged the entire game having 0 legacies

this is the perfect difficulty for mio

[orchid spruce]

have you beaten blueslop

[timid sky]

OH its ||polargeists||

I remember now

[hybrid flare]

Broddie speeper is blueslop

[orchid spruce]

yues you did it yet

[hybrid flare]

Yeah...

banger fight

[orchid spruce]

[hybrid flare]

but long ass combos and arbitrary falling off the platforms

[timid sky]

||friends|| is blueslop because its dead bots in blue slop

[orchid spruce]

[hybrid flare]

why do you call him blueslop anyways

[fiery burrow]

slop that is blue

[hybrid flare]

but speeper isnt blue and isnt slop

[orchid spruce]

i first called it purpleslop then illu insisted its blue

[icy crow]

@light swan Hidden Phantom

[fiery burrow]

its no lost lace

[hybrid flare]

buildup wise maybe slop but aside from that

[orchid spruce]

ikr its fucking purple

its fucking purple

[hybrid flare]

Visualdesignslop

[exotic dome]

i havent beaten her yet but it's fun

[orchid spruce]

did you read all the lore tablets nubbie

[fiery burrow]

I didn't read much and it made sense to me lowk

[graceful oyster]

It's not even, it's like lilac or lavender or some crap

His name is Phil

[odd hull]

say that again

[graceful oyster]

that again

I know, I know, hold the applause

[fiery burrow]

god i hate ||lombre||

[graceful oyster]

It's not easy being the funniest person alive

[graceful oyster]

Okay but the music is really good

[fiery burrow]

Its OK idk

doesn't sound too different from most bosses I think

[orchid spruce]

so purple

[graceful oyster]

How colourfully ignorant of you

Lilac and lavender are specific shades of purple

[orchid spruce]

became british

so it's purple

[graceful oyster]

It's a specific shade of purple

[fiery burrow]

can you ||climb the belltower|| no abilites

[orchid spruce]

burger is a kind of food, and burger is food

[graceful oyster]

It is purple but like, if you just say purple it's the wrong idea

[orchid spruce]

soooo it's purple

[graceful oyster]

Yeah I think so, but there's no reason to

[graceful oyster]

#sk-discussion message

[fiery burrow]

what about ||canopy||

[graceful oyster]

I don't know what route people take to get up there, I suppose that might be it

Certainly wouldn't want to go the other way

[fiery burrow]

theres a second way?

[hybrid flare]

are you doing TE abilityless

how are you skipmaxxing everything

surely this isnt possible because of godzilla parkour right?

[graceful oyster]

(Mio spoilers) ||You can enter through the top of Breath's spring|| but that needs a lot of abilities afaik

[graceful oyster]

I don't think that's possible

[fiery burrow]

oh interesting

[hybrid flare]

Why would star want to climb canopy

[fiery burrow]

Not TE i just want to get ||Liho|| without any abilities

[graceful oyster]

You can get pretty far but ||Vaults/Sawlong|| is an impassible obstacle

[orchid spruce]

MIO major late-game spoilers ||climbing to library seems just impossible without waterwalk||

[fiery burrow]

||I've already done Amytis and Asma should be possible||

[hybrid flare]

dont you like require daddy long legs to bypass his big fan

[graceful oyster]

For that you just need ||striders and dodge I think||

[hybrid flare]

or is there another route from double cheeseburger

[fiery burrow]

Is that on the left entrance too

[orchid spruce]

it's possible without? MIO MY GOAT

[graceful oyster]

Nope, you can get in with no abilities

[hybrid flare]

interesting

allat just to hear depressive caveman

[orchid spruce]

LINEAR GAME BTW @hybrid flare

[graceful oyster]

||You drop in from the top and time your attack combo||

[hybrid flare]

Linearmaxxing

technically you can low% silksong too therefore silksong isnt that linear

[graceful oyster]

Silksong skips are ass

[fiery burrow]

i know this jump is possible...

[orchid spruce]

the % comes from random ass tools

[fiery burrow]

Silksong has some non linearity yeah

[orchid spruce]

[hybrid flare]

they're a pain to employ but are very creative

[graceful oyster]

Yeeeeessss

[fiery burrow]

But most people take the same path on their first playthrough I don't think that's really true of MIO

[hybrid flare]

like fym voltvessels could do THAT

[hybrid flare]

Linearity kinda ends when you enter act 2

[fiery burrow]

true true

[hybrid flare]

I didnt even fucking know bilewater existed and i beat the game

[fiery burrow]

Act 1 is a sizeable part of the game though

[orchid spruce]

act 2 areas aside from citadel and bilewater just range from mid to ass

[hybrid flare]

bilewater's entrance is very evil though

[hybrid flare]

Mt fay

[orchid spruce]

but citadel is big so i'll give it that

[hybrid flare]

i mean its TECHNICALLY act 1

[graceful oyster]

What silksong doesn't have to the average player is ability nonlinearity

[orchid spruce]

i like silksong's act 1 best. no slop quests. bosses are all decent. ❤️

[hybrid flare]

in a2 it does but not in a1

[orchid spruce]

like, genuinely

[fiery burrow]

act 2 has like 2 abilities

[hybrid flare]

it has mostly mid bosses

[graceful oyster]

No?

[hybrid flare]

Actually nvm yeah, you're kinda required to have something to get the other thing

[fiery burrow]

what SS abilities are even skippable for TE

[light swan]

act 1 was boring for most of it

[untold dune]

sprint, for one

[fiery burrow]

OK that's kinda rad

[light swan]

as in, it’s really good but compared to the best it was boring

[orchid spruce]

but it has nothing offensive in it, unlike act 2's partly slops and act 3 slops (except karm)

[fiery burrow]

I was kinda sad to see silk and soul locked behind double jump

[untold dune]

eh im fine with that

the concept of going into act 3 without it is wild

[fiery burrow]

mostly for challenge running yknow

[errant ingot]

guys what does iirc mean pls help

[light swan]

if i remember correctly

[errant ingot]

ty

[graceful oyster]

idk tbh fioys

[untold dune]

ts pmo icl

[light swan]

yea i agree, although the highs are better and that’s what i prefer more personally

i get what you mean tho

[light swan]

never saw fioys before but somehow i know what it means

[graceful oyster]

Billions must fry

[light swan]

this piss is shitting me off i can’t lie

[errant ingot]

i as well

[orchid spruce]

for into on you say

[errant ingot]

im too lazy to use google rn

[graceful oyster]

That's because I just made it up

[orchid spruce]

what does it even mean

[errant ingot]

find it out yourself

[graceful oyster]

I'll let illu say

Or jsab

[untold dune]

lowkirkuienly?

[orchid spruce]

[errant ingot]

or figure it out

[untold dune]

it stands for follow ight oilk yongs

[errant ingot]

bro i dont want to go to the gulag of silksong (not slab)

let this be a lesson to everyone in the verse to not fuck with lifeblood or plasmium

[vale whale]

dance to destroy silksong

[light swan]

fuck i orphaned your son

[untold dune]

checks out

[errant ingot]

i was wrong trust him

[steep jolt]

guys check out this mod someone made its so cool

[untold dune]

jesus

[graceful oyster]

I don't want any mods unless they're made by halyn

[steep jolt]

also grynne i got to the second boss in mio

[graceful oyster]

Waiter waiter more afterimage please

[steep jolt]

||the one after hair pin||

[orchid spruce]

what second boss

[lavish apex]

it was still sick the second time

[graceful oyster]

This game is extremely nonlinear there are like 4 second bosses or whatever

You'll have to be specific

[orchid spruce]

probably more

[graceful oyster]

[steep jolt]

like i dont remember what its called

like uh you know the cold area

[graceful oyster]

That one okay

[orchid spruce]

because i did ||flora|| first, that means I have the first bosses as my possible second bosses

[steep jolt]

like the second part after getting ||hair pin||

[graceful oyster]

Cool

[orchid spruce]

[untold dune]

theyre called ||egis|| right? or is that the other one

[graceful oyster]

Peak boss

[steep jolt]

my first one was ||the sentinel guy||

[lavish apex]

i think i did ||egis and then acat||

[graceful oyster]

He's talking about the cat

A cat

[untold dune]

oh yes thats the name

[steep jolt]

oh yeah i also repaired the ||nexus||

[orchid spruce]

mio starts being nonlinear after the tutorial

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-its-so-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-its-so-peak-peak-gif-11211568239007237362

[graceful oyster]

Uhm, ||Shii|| did, you ingrate

(Nice job)

[untold dune]

unlike silkslop 🙄

[steep jolt]

who is ingrate

[orchid spruce]

so true

[fiery burrow]

saw someone fight ||flora|| as their first boss first playthrough

[orchid spruce]

it's me

[untold dune]

i did that on my 2nd game lol, it was fun

mio skips are peam

[graceful oyster]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3g3jIrI5aMwVsSPh8o1fBC?si=IDeBDe4US42E4OeHa27qlA
Why is this early game region track so peak

[hybrid flare]

such a shame most early bosses are mid

[steep jolt]

i think its like ||igis|| or something

[lavish apex]

silksong does have some unlinearity

[hybrid flare]

where does this play

[steep jolt]

no not that

[lavish apex]

although you're not gonna be able to intuitively break the key upgrade order

outside of maybe cloak?

[light swan]

MIO SPOILERS (crome can click)

it’s possible to have xerneas as a first boss i tjink thats tje cooledt one

[lavish apex]

drifter's cloak that is

[graceful oyster]

It's uh, ||The central Warehouse section||

[light swan]

although i haven’t played around with spring flower warp

[hybrid flare]

Banger track for a boss with 0 lore

[lone escarp]

guys, is it just me or hte spider strings is just pure dogshit?

[steep jolt]

ohhh its ||acat||

[lavish apex]

have you 100%d afterimage illusion

[light swan]

they have lore

[hybrid flare]

OOOOOh

[steep jolt]

yea its that one

[light swan]

i think so, not 100% sure

[hybrid flare]

Engineer went mad

[fiery burrow]

If you want a boss with zero lore to complain about complain about ||Nabuu|| 🥀

[light swan]

nope

[untold dune]

my biggest criticism of silksong is that, yeah, the order you can reach areas can be unlinear, but every area itself forces you down a linear path and it gets boring

[graceful oyster]

This is why we needed the boss lore items

[hybrid flare]

TRUE

[orchid spruce]

but its gud boss

[fiery burrow]

That's why Greymoor is on top

[orchid spruce]

[exotic dome]

nabuu has 0 lore too?

[fiery burrow]

2 paths to take

[fresh gale]

yo hear me out, what if the new zone in sea of sorrow is just another bilewater but with toxic water instead of the shit that's in bilewater 🔥

(I'm coping)

[lone escarp]

please tell me i'm missing out on something about the spider strings and it's not just trash

[untold dune]

shrue

[light swan]

we know who xerneas is and we know who the cat is, thats lore

[lavish apex]

choral chambers is pretty nonlinear

[steep jolt]

yea all of the other paths are basically impossible to get without being spoilered the only real act 1 path you can take that you can get wihtout being spoiled is flea moorwing skip

[hybrid flare]

You mean its A cat...

[graceful oyster]

It's completely useless

[light swan]

we literally see ||acat’s sister|| MIO SPOILERS

[lavish apex]

bilewater
might be?

i don't think so actually nvm

[steep jolt]

if the train runs over enough of them it will eventually lose momentum

[lone escarp]

amazing, thank you

[untold dune]

yeah and its the most obnoxious route to take too

[fiery burrow]

fr?

[light swan]

2 ways to enter, 1 way to progress

[fiery burrow]

I only remember one route in choral chambers but I haven't played for a while

[lone escarp]

shoutout to team cherry for downgrading the charm system and turning it into the tool system

[light swan]

although there’s outlets and technicalky a choice between 2 rooms

[hybrid flare]

i compare charms to crests more

[steep jolt]

i think the 3 other routes are mist wisp thicket and wormways but wisp thicket is some crazy shit with act 1 fay and wormways is just not intentional in the slightest

[lavish apex]

i don't really have a problem with that i mean confining you to 1 route until you get a pickup and then kinda setting you loose is standard-ish metroidvania design

[hybrid flare]

tools are additional stuff

whereas crests do change your playstyle

[onyx python]

launch it on hollow knight, if he doesn't tank it, he's a failure

[fiery burrow]

I like the colored tool system more but memory lockets are kinda bad lol

Still overall an improvement I think

[untold dune]

u can do wormways route with dash yknow lol

[lone escarp]

ah yes, tools are so pathetic that they don't even change your playstyle

[hybrid flare]

if 1/3 werent useless in combat

[steep jolt]

i wish there was a combination between the 2 because like injector band and wisp lantern do not deserve to be the same level

[untold dune]

dashless wormways is if u need to skip bell beast / silkspear

[hybrid flare]

actually some do

[lone escarp]

bro, 99% are useless in combat, AND exploration

[vale whale]

you can skip deep docks and greymoor

[steep jolt]

oh yeah ig but after dash you are almost definetally gonna go to far fields or hunters march

[fiery burrow]

Yellow are QOL they aren't supposed to be super useful

[steep jolt]

i didnt go to wormways until i got needolin and was meant to go to steps

[hybrid flare]

blues are for both, reds for combat and yellow mainly for exploration

[untold dune]

nah there is a valid route that is dash -> wormways -> shellwood -> wall climb

[fiery burrow]

In HK if you wanted to throw on compass or something it'd be competing for slots that could be used for like damage or survivability

[exotic dome]

act 2 is pretty nonlinear

[steep jolt]

yea in silksong though theres only like 3 good yellow tools

[humble surge]

aeternal everwatcher preview ready!!!!! https://youtu.be/txup9RHqARs?is=GnL_yosPY2ZiTFT3

[steep jolt]

i mean yea

[steep jolt]

you should cxhange its name

[orchid spruce]

but act 2's areas are bad outside of citadel and bilewater

[steep jolt]

so it doesnt show watcher at the edge

[lone escarp]

like, the most beginner tools are now the only ones worthwhile equipping. compass. baldur's shell. ultra nerfed gathering swarm that doesn't collect shards, ultra nerfed grubsong, steady body+stalwart shell mix

[vale whale]

some people just shouldnt mod man

[fiery burrow]

there are some yellow tools that aren't even QOL tbf

[humble surge]

its just a gameplay preview everything else will come

[lone escarp]

sprintmaster

[fiery burrow]

spider strings and ascendants grip 🙏

[exotic dome]

act 1 has two issues:
-wormways route is very unpopular because tc decided to lock wormways behind a simple key that costs 500
-hunters march is not connected to greymoor

[humble surge]

skill issue

[steep jolt]

are we deadass those are like the only 2 areas in act 2 (if cradle doesnt count as citadel) except for slab and fay but slab is basically an act 1 area

[graceful oyster]

It's nonlinear in exploration alone, but you don't have any freedom when it comes to abilities

[vale whale]

why do modders love to make bosses but just faster and they spam two attacks

[fiery burrow]

If only they thought of connecting the two areas in development

[vale whale]

tbf moddibg takes alot of skill the product is just lame

[exotic dome]

true, most abilites are unlocked in act 1

[vale whale]

no offense ot the guy who made that ofc

[humble surge]

vro watch the rest of the video damn

[steep jolt]

i dont think they could add a connection because they NEED you to get drifters

[vale whale]

but damn it's lame

[orchid spruce]

peak, was this like fucking inspired by (NINE SOLS FINAL BOSS) ||Eigong||?

[humble surge]

YES EXACTLY

[orchid spruce]

LMAOO, PEAK

[vale whale]

atleast it isnt lost sinner

or karmelita prime

[orchid spruce]

i'll play silksong again for this shit once it releases

[steep jolt]

hear me out: what if you watched the video instead of commenting without seeing it

[graceful oyster]

@ Nova

[slender juniper]

Hades 2 update added:hot men

[exotic dome]

you can get to act 2 without drifters if you take the wormways route iirc

[fiery burrow]

I think the mod looks cool

[onyx python]

guys why is grand mother silk genuinely one of the easiest bosses in the game

[vale whale]

i did watch it

[graceful oyster]

Radiance 2 electric boogaloo

[lavish apex]

this is a clear advantage of the tool system but the removal of notches means most tools for most of the game have to be weak and lame for even a facade of balance against each other which is something the game ultimately still fails at like hk1

[orchid spruce]

holyy shit, this may be the silksong boss of all time wtf

[steep jolt]

you need to be able to beat it with cursed crest for the secret boss

[slender juniper]

Base ending boss also false , moss mother,skull tyrant ,lace 1 and subjectively bell beast are all easier than her

[vale whale]

bro whos nova

[fiery burrow]

Most blue and red tools are great

[onyx python]

----->"one of the easiest"<----

[orchid spruce]

and i'm being genuine, all it lacks is like a real way to deal damage
i know you had the idea that he just flops over and dies kinda once you parry enough but i honestly didn't like the idea, but you should stick to your stuff

[lavish apex]

maybe 1/3rd of blue tools are great

[steep jolt]

i mean yes it could be made better but still props to the modder, as a modder myself its hard to make them anyways i need everything to be about me so heres a boss i made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIRZetDF-sc

[fiery burrow]

I think my only complaint is Volt Filament ngl but I'm not too into the meta

[light swan]

i hate parryslop, but still nice

[slender juniper]

Everything you say is a lie because I said so

[light swan]

phase 3 looks bullshit tho

[onyx python]

ig it makes sense but it's still kinda lame ngl

[vale whale]

i like how it integrates parries into silksong but it feels kind of spammy alot of the time

[lavish apex]

red tools are almost all good but as a mechanic have other issues

[light swan]

thats just how parries go

[steep jolt]

thats why lost lace exists

[humble surge]

nah its true i want to make something more polished for that this was just something quick i made for phase transitions to showcase

[fiery burrow]

yeah red tools

[vale whale]

no like alot of it is the sameish attacks from wedge

[orchid spruce]

honestly can't wait to see the final result

[vale whale]

again no offense to the modder i know moddibg takes time

[graceful oyster]

Probably the person in chat named Nova

[vale whale]

oh

[humble surge]

wsgg

[light swan]

the visual clarity is insane

[steep jolt]

ts name not slick

[quartz cave]

Star i see you in chat but i do t see you threatening and kidnapping team cherry's family for making such an ass game

[vale whale]

ts name tuff

[quartz cave]

Why did you fall off

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676349

[light swan]

all i see is flashbanging with sand and the player getting hit by blind attacks

[graceful oyster]

Are there any F&N mods

[light swan]

that sounds so bs to play

[exotic dome]

it's one of the best tools imo

[fiery burrow]

those days are behind me

[steep jolt]

add a comma before and after onion so its like
cromecloride, onion, and Several people are typing

[vale whale]

yeah the sand is kind of irritating

[fiery burrow]

Yeah I think its too good

just a straight up damage increase

[quartz cave]

Those days were cooler

[orchid spruce]

two chicken mods, one twink mod and 3 egg mods

[humble surge]

i do gotta work visibility but when you learn it the attacks shouldn't be blind

[light swan]

there’s a yi mod?

[graceful oyster]

So no F&N

[fiery burrow]

i've turned over a new leaf I'm all about spreading love and positivity ❤️

specifically about MIO silksong still sucks

[orchid spruce]

|| Ji || (nine sols spoiler)

[exotic dome]

i thought you liked shaman stone

[quartz cave]

This isnt the star i know

[orchid spruce]

yah

[light swan]

thats not twink thats goat

[vale whale]

true wisdom

[steep jolt]

ive also turned over a new leaf, now im fucking livid and hate everyone

[quartz cave]

Skinwalker or fell off you call it

[fiery burrow]

Jarvis send the Markoth clip

[graceful oyster]

No, no. That's the twink.

[vale whale]

this was me already

[orchid spruce]

twinks can be goats too

[light swan]

yi is the twink

[humble surge]

missed a parry there, i should've been higher up

[steep jolt]

try typing in chat now

[fiery burrow]

Shaman stone was also badly designed but I can't bring myself to hate it man its part of the game's wabi sabi

[quartz cave]

Star not hating shit from the butt 💔

[lavish apex]

poopoo ass blue tools:
warding bell (sorry witch glazers adding 30 damage to your stagger punishes does not make it useful anywhere else)
druid's EYE (eyes are kinda bad too but still have a use case)
pollip pouch
weavelight
spool extender
memory crystal
snitch pick
wispfire lantern

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/nine-sols-skibidi-toilet-skibiji-gif-2501054651349434312

[steep jolt]

shaman stone is such a boring charm compared to like grubberfly

[slender juniper]

Curvesickle is also a part of the game

[fiery burrow]

is grubberfly really your example

[graceful oyster]

Elegy is doodoobuns

[steep jolt]

WE are all pulling up to yo house after the abysmal weavelight and warding bell hate

[light swan]

but it makes it useful on witch

[vale whale]

grubberfly is cool i used it for radiant vengefly

[light swan]

like bruh lol

[fiery burrow]

warding bell is a good safety net

[slender juniper]

@graceful oyster @strange knot what the fuck are the last 5

[graceful oyster]

I was also looking at this and wasn't enthused

[orchid spruce]

looks goated to me

[lavish apex]

please don't tell me anyone is defending memory crystal

[fiery burrow]

weavelight is OK its got some valid uses but not something you can always make a case for equipping (which is alright imo)

[exotic dome]

warding bell is good for new players imo and there is niche witch tech
weavelight is fine especially with flea egg and shaman crest
spool extender should be yellow
and snitch pick's clawline dmg increase is fine but it doesn't do its main purpose correctly
others i agree

[slender juniper]

Bro put Weavelight, snitch pick in bad tools

[graceful oyster]

Why ping me

[vale whale]

but i am mindless shaman user ooga booga no brain

[lavish apex]

warding bell is useless when you have band

[slender juniper]

Do NOT mess with snitch pick users okay

[orchid spruce]

it seems like a combo that will always follow through

[light swan]

snitch pick is good for clawline users which is a lot of people

[slender juniper]

Shit was too insane not to

[fiery burrow]

shaman is one of the valid usecases

[orchid spruce]

so you will just need to see the cue and do the same combo

[vale whale]

uga buga shaman

[fiery burrow]

Yea that's kinda true tbh

[vale whale]

ooh i use the silk skill haha thread stirm hehe uga buga i tap the thread stdom button alot ooga doo

[slender juniper]

Snitch and volt filament carried my no hit karmelita run

[slender juniper]

NERFED

[lavish apex]

unless you're actively spamming clawline every 2 seconds the damage increase from it is not good enough to be worthwhile

[exotic dome]

volt filament and cross stitch 🔥

[slender juniper]

Nerf thread storm again,TC get rid of the longer cast

[fiery burrow]

is the wordle today tuff

[vale whale]

the wordle is " Poops "

[orchid spruce]

we sacrificed the balancing depth of charm cost and replaced it with 3 colors

[vale whale]

no joke i always go " Poops " as a joke

and it worked first try

[slender juniper]

25% increase is not minor

[exotic dome]

don't do todays wordle if you are a silksong fan

[light swan]

why not?

[slender juniper]

Also yes you should use clawline a lot it's a good ability

[slender juniper]

It gives you range and safety

[charred tiger]

awoo

[fiery burrow]

You'd think its like double clawline damage for how much its glazed

[light swan]

part of the problem with pollip pouch is that it self sabotages, snitch pick doesnt so that

so you can’t make that comparison

[exotic dome]

snitch pick should be a farming tool but it can't do that

[lavish apex]

because it's jack shit

[slender juniper]

Okay buff snitch pick damage from 26 to 28

[fiery burrow]

This is unforgiveable

How did they mess it up

[slender juniper]

Is ts good enough

[lavish apex]

it's like

4 damage per clawline for most of the game

[exotic dome]

it's the probably the stupidest thing i've ever seen

[slender juniper]

Huh

[slender juniper]

.. which silksong did you play

[lavish apex]

or less

[fiery burrow]

There are some things where you have to question how they remained unchanged for so long in development

[vale whale]

hornet should be able to open up a flea brewery

[lavish apex]

for most of the game

[fiery burrow]

Shellshards 🥀

[lavish apex]

most of the game
it is only more than 4 damage with pale steel

[vale whale]

instead of rescuing thdm you abduct them and brew them

[slender juniper]

Yes which silksong did you play

[lavish apex]

which you get at the end
of the game

[vale whale]

easy rosary farn

[slender juniper]

....

[quartz cave]

We should be legally able to do stuff like key someones car or something smaller like breakign every window and door in their house just because they have a bad opinion

[slender juniper]

Clalwine does 20 Damage not 4

[vale whale]

or killing them

[slender juniper]

Which damage numbers did you serch up

[quartz cave]

Why so small a punishment might as well do nothing

[slender juniper]

Clalwine is needle damage -1

[vale whale]

good idea torture is better

[graceful oyster]

[vale whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281223619929964645/1293227047535251497/Oops.gif

[quartz cave]

Blow them up iirc

[graceful oyster]

This is, in fact, spoilers

[fiery burrow]

life if I could kill everyone who slightly prefers silksong over mio 🐬 ✨ 🌈

[vale whale]

life if i oculd kill everyone who likes mio

[slender juniper]

The formpula is= needle damage:2 (rounded down)=x × 2

For clawline

[exotic dome]

life if i could kill everyone

[light swan]

i think blebbles likes ignoring witch crest

[fiery burrow]

i'd say based but you just posted a nine sols meme its over

[light swan]

but all this means is that witch crest makes a lot of blue tools good

[vale whale]

nine sols mog mio

[light swan]

which makes witch crest really cool and well designed

[quartz cave]

This but change "slightly prefer silksong over mio" to "likes silksong and/or mio"

[exotic dome]

shruth nuke

i wish it had better exploration tho

[slender juniper]

This is what they said

[exotic dome]

i rephrase i wish it had exploration

[light swan]

snitch pick deals 4 damage, yes

[fiery burrow]

90% of indie devs stop making parry focused games before they find a reason for the player to play it over Sekiro

[orchid spruce]

stop posting spoiler nukes, you motherfuckers

[slender juniper]

OH

[light swan]

whats with this mid ass mio hate and nine sols glaze

[slender juniper]

that was worded so poorly

[orchid locust]

i liked mio more cause i like exploring ✅

[lavish apex]

brotherman i'm talking about what snitch pick adds to it

[orchid spruce]

there's one annoying fuckass who does that to spark something or whatever

[lavish apex]

do you think i'm that dumb?

[slender juniper]

Then state it

[vale whale]

LAAAAAAAARP THE HEAD GEM IS A STABILIZER

[lavish apex]

i thought i did pretty clearly

[light swan]

nine sols has parries and the fucks nine sols could never compare

[exotic dome]

no one hates mio rn

[light swan]

/j nine sols already compares

[slender juniper]

...but 125% of 20 is 25

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/super-vegeta-dbz-cell-saga-gif-10778300

[exotic dome]

based?

[light swan]

most of the game = with resistances

[slender juniper]

Oh right

-5% damage mods

[light swan]

• rounding that prefers even numbers

[orchid locust]

nah trust the stabilizer is built into the frame the gem is just jewelry ✌️

[exotic dome]

i checked your favorite games on your discord profile and i must say you have an exquisite taste

[vale whale]

holy shit IT'S YOU

[whole nimbus]

im going to jump off mount fay no cloak

[light swan]

i hate discord because i cant put xenoblade on it

[vale whale]

YOU CHANGED YOUR PFP

[vale whale]

what

where how

[light swan]

click on profile

[orchid locust]

yeah my name is the same i hoped that'd be enough for recognition 😭

[onyx python]

relatable

[vale whale]

i dont see games

[exotic dome]

it's funnier with the caption

[graceful oyster]

Onion might be clueless

[slender juniper]

Look harder

[light swan]

hi tianhuo producer

[exotic dome]

i wasnt talknig about your profile

[versed pollen]

Lung Cancer Gaming might be goat material

[orchid locust]

i'm steve jadeless now

[light swan]

sorry for deadnaming you hi steve jadeless

[graceful oyster]

Jadeless eggnog is so fun

[vale whale]

oh its pc

[orchid locust]

i have 1 video and it's a masterpiece

[vale whale]

of course

[onyx python]

bro likes basketball

[exotic dome]

Unregistered HyperCam2

[slender juniper]

Steal a brainrot is the best game in the world anyways

[vale whale]

dumbfuck has nevr played BRAINROT: FIGHTING

[slender juniper]

Tf is that

[tidal agate]

Alright guys I’m gonna arrange a music piece that contains the music from Silksong and I don’t know if I need Team Cherry/Christopher Larkin‘s permission

[vale whale]

https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Games/Nintendo-Switch-download-software/BRAINROT-FIGHTING-2890836.html?srsltid=AfmBOopXZ1-VNAAk-iDjGv6h-5SkIILlYGU1dIubh_yYXIBli2O5UzE2

[vale whale]

you do