sk-discussion

[light swan]

but by endgame/postgame combat, the kind of analysis i do, you will have that mod

and its lowkey nice against the first final boss

[undone gate]

Unless you do Charms Binding which makes P5 take around an hour

[still osprey]

ok but that means playing with bindings

and why would you ever want to play with bindings

[light swan]

yea but one way of melting is cooler than the other

[timid sky]

Lwk i never even used ||strider attacks||

[tight viper]

challenge fun

[light swan]

yea, they suck

[still osprey]

I don't think bindings are fun but hey if you find them fun that's great I'm glad you can enjoy a challenge

[light swan]

mio is inherently a very dynamic and airborne combat system but those require you to be on the ground which is counter intuitive

and also its a pretty niche thing that doesnt have many strengths anyway

[timid sky]

I didn't know they existed until i found out about ||black widow|| and even then i didn't feel like they would be useful because i use ||strider|| as more of an evasive tool

[undone gate]

Binding is not for everyone I just like trying bosses with all bindings since it makes the bosses more challangeing in a unique way

[light swan]

but that does mean theyre alright against grounded bosses, and some things make them pretty good against grounded bosses

[still osprey]

yea that's fair

[timid sky]

In combat atleast

[still osprey]

I'm just not much of a challenge person I think

[light swan]

(mio spoilers?) it just so happens that ||one of the final bosses is grounded||

[still osprey]

I've tried different challenges in the past and I always end up quitting pretty early on

[light swan]

also im pretty sure theyll be buffed at some point so theyll be less ass too

[still osprey]

woooooooo

[light swan]

what about instead of weakening yourself you just try to play best you can

[timid sky]

10 hours??

[undone gate]

Everyone has a limit on the hardest challanges they will do like there are people who have beaten P5 hitless with all binding

[light swan]

challenges are generally pretty boring because they make things boring

[timid sky]

I havent even gotten 112 and my playthrough is at 99-100h

[light swan]

like, cursed crest would make things really boring if it didnt have witch's moveset

[still osprey]

yea hardest thing I've done in HK was RadHoG and while it was fun for the most part I don't think I'd ever do it again

[light swan]

stuff like no silk skills, toolless, those stuff are generally pretty boring because they just limit you without adding new things

i think soul binding just makes things harder and not funner

[undone gate]

I like Itemless Bosses but I don't think you would enjoy them

[light swan]

what i like to do is rather than limiting myself, i set my goal higher

[still osprey]

I've done a number of silksong bosses hitless but I'm not really committing until an official kind of "Radiant" challenge comes

[light swan]

to be fair why am i talking, ive done nkg and pv radiant dreamshield only

[still osprey]

if one even comes that is

[light swan]

that would be boring if dreamshield wasnt the funnest charm in the game

[tight viper]

tbh cross stitch and sharpdart are exceptions

[undone gate]

How long did the winning attempt take

[still osprey]

I think part of it is also I'm quite the completionist, I like doing as much as I can in all my playthroughs, and challenges typically have you, not doing that

[light swan]

no idea it was years ago

[tight viper]

since you have to get your iframes from somewhere else without em

[light swan]

yea, those ones are cool

challenges that make you creative are cool

[undone gate]

There is no way I would attempt something like that

[still osprey]

Like I really did consider doing 100% All Bosses with Barbed Bracelet on at all times but I'm kind of glad I just did any% and stopped after GMS

[light swan]

i loved dreamshield and i liked optimizing my rotations so it was bearable for me

[undone gate]

I like Silksong Itemless because it's cool to dodge attacks just using the moveset at the start of the game and is fun to optimize

[light swan]

i would crash out playing that it feels so boring

at least i had movement to optimize my dreamshield rotations 💔

i generally have a much different sense of fun tho

[tight viper]

itemless has solid potential, yeah

[timid sky]

markoth next

[tight viper]

I got challenged to do itemless jumpless hitless Sister Splinter a while ago, it was interesting

[light swan]

the problem is that the fastest way to deal damage itemless is to just spam the attack button

[undone gate]

I beat Seth and Karmalita like that and I was close to beating Tormented Trobbio like that

[light swan]

we all know i vaguely dislike doing that

thats why dreamshield i circle around the bosses and use positioning as my means of damage

[still osprey]

I need a challenge where doing as much as possible on the game is viable and not frustrating or else I'll probably just quit it very early on

[light swan]

or witch crest i rdac chain

[undone gate]

You can't just spam the attack button you also have to dodge which is interesting to do for late game bosses

[light swan]

hk or ss

[still osprey]

both, really

[light swan]

yea, but like staggers for example or screams

[undone gate]

Staggers and Screams are just 10% of the fight

[tight viper]

fight was so long I had to split it into two vids, shit was insane

[light swan]

in between attacks

[still osprey]

I've thought about doing a silksong playthrough but using modded bosses and while it's a fun idea on paper, I feel like the majority of modded bosses aren't designed for a casual playthrough difficulty and expect you to be going in with all upgrades already, which makes sense, but it wouldn't make for a very fun playthrough imo

also not every boss has a modded variant

[light swan]

check this out

so much attack spam

[timid sky]

You can damage her hands????

I've never tried that and i have 300h on this game

[light swan]

itemless doesnt necessarily seem too better in that regard while just making attacks slower

[undone gate]

Totally that's 4.5 minutes which is pretty long I took 6.5 minutes to beat Karmalita Itemless

[light swan]

4 and a half minutes ??

[still osprey]

The only bosses off the top of my head I can think of that seem pretty on-par with vanilla difficulty and could fit in a casual playthrough setting are AGMS and LaC, tho I am also not all familiar with modded bosses so who knows !

[undone gate]

This is like the last 50 seconds of Itemless Karmalita

[tight viper]

yep, it was rough

[still osprey]

I've done like 3 modded bosses total I should do more 🔥

[light swan]

i cant handle this 💔

[tight viper]

yep, it's fairly reliable for damaging her regardless of the challenge

[timid sky]

I've done 0

[light swan]

lost and chained, lost sinner, king of the coral kin, and awakened gms are the only good ones i think

[sweet nova]

[undone gate]

Doing it Hitless is insane though I usually don't have patience for hitless stuff

[light swan]

awakened gms is my favorite one, king of the coral kin makes khann the peak turn more peak but it has a lot of waiting around

[still osprey]

I've done King of Coral Kin and AGMS but I have my eyes on LaC and Lost Sinner

[light swan]

lost and chained i havent fought lost sinner looks bs but ive heard its fun

[undone gate]

I tried Lost Sinner she has more than 3000hp

[still osprey]

King of Coral Kin is a really fun and great modded boss but I'd say it goes a little above what I'd expect out of a more vanilla-difficulty fight

[undone gate]

Lost Sinner is a cool boss I haven't beaten her yet

[still osprey]

the attack speed and general buffs are great, but it makes Khann a lot more evasive, and removes his staggers

[light swan]

awakened gms is obviously the peak

[tight viper]

almost died when she had 35/310 hp as well

[still osprey]

agms is insanely good

[tight viper]

fun stuff

[undone gate]

I still found her too easy

[still osprey]

like agms is what gms should've become after you accept silk and soul

[undone gate]

She is still super fun

[tight viper]

That was easily the worst part, the summons were a nightmare

[light swan]

awakened gms is what gms is supposed to be

it gets harder the more aggressive you are which i think is perfect

[tight viper]

I need to try those modded bosses

agms, lost and chained, all that

[light swan]

that makes it fun for both cursed crest users and stupid aggressive players like witch crest users

[tight viper]

only modded boss I've tried was a Phantom one, forgot the name, faded Phantom maybe?

[light swan]

i still havent done it hitless because its hard with my level of aggression but also i havent tried for too long

[still osprey]

the thing is that doing cursed ending with agms sounds really difficult like people already struggle on regular cursed ending

[light swan]

this is my only good fight i have saved

[still osprey]

that's why I think agms would be a great buff to gms once you accept silk and soul, as a true final test for Act 3

[light swan]

cursed ending requires consistency and agms doesnt really change that tbh

[undone gate]

I still felt like she was really easy to get a lot of hits in I guess big background bosses are just easy to hit

[light swan]

like, phaes 1 is pretty much pahse 2

[undone gate]

I should try cursed AGMS

[light swan]

phase 2 isnt all that much arder

its not that its faster, its that its more

[undone gate]

Instead Team Cherry had Groul as the final test for Act 3

[still osprey]

Yea but Groal is kinda ass for a test for Act 3

[light swan]

and more isnt a problem since the test is consistency

[still osprey]

Bilewater in general is fine but Groal himself is eh

[light swan]

i also dont think the silk balls add any new mechanical dificulty

[light swan]

why is this fight so good

[undone gate]

I would say the whole of Bilewater is the test for Act 3

[light swan]

the problem is that damage scaling is weird with agms because its intended for all needle upgrades

which is an easy fix'

[tight viper]

agms looks way better than that version that adds the giant wraiths

I should do that floorless

It looks perfect for it

[light swan]

it really is

i love bosses that benefit floorless

i love airborne combat in general

-# totally not a plug for mio

[tight viper]

that one part with the 7 strand storms back to back seems like it could be a problem though

[undone gate]

It's mainly because of Sawtooth and Clawline and Pogos right

[still osprey]

This kind of loops back around to what I said about not really being a challenge person, I much prefer modded bosses aimed to be more vanilla-like and casual friendly than bosses that try to be really hard and challenging, and it's kind of unfortunate not many of them exist, at least to my knowledge

[light swan]

not necessarily

[tight viper]

iirc anyrad 3.0 is pretty casual

[light swan]

i like airborne combat fundamentally, sawtooth and clawline and pogos is just what enables it in silksong

[still osprey]

That ofc doesn't mean difficult modded bosses are bad, there are a lot of hard bosses, for example Lost Sinner, that look extremely good and well done

[undone gate]

Yea even in HK the only really good modded bosses are IKG and Pale Court

[tight viper]

That one Elder Hu mod is fire

[light swan]

i watched pale court a couple days ago and it looks pretty random bullshit go to me

[undone gate]

I have seen it I haven't tried it yet

[still osprey]

I'm a little iffy on pale court but I also haven't really given it a very fair shot

[light swan]

idk if thats a consequence of me not seeing hk combat in a long time and forgetting how it went

[tight viper]

That's only Isma pretty much

[plush plover]

tiso is also kinda like that

[still osprey]

Average Pale Court boss try not to create a shockwave after jumping 2 cm forward challenge (Literally fucking impossible)

[tight viper]

We don't talk about Tiso

[light swan]

it might just be problems with hk fundamentally but idk its been a while

[light swan]

ze'mer and dryya were the only ones i watched

ze'mer kinda just does wahtever the fuck she wants and shit

[undone gate]

I forgot Tiso is in Pale Court

[plush plover]

mystic ze'mer is also kinda like that but it circles back into being pretty fun to react and respond to

yeah 💀

[still osprey]

no like genuinely why did they make every single boss create shockwaves after jumping like ok I can excuse it if the enemy is big but like

fucking Tiso?????????????????

[tight viper]

Ze'mer two kinda looks like that at first, but it really isn't once you learn the fight

[light swan]

teleports from random directions, has massive hitboxes, uhh random slashes, idk it just didnt feel right lol

[tight viper]

The teleport directions aren't really random

[plush plover]

yeah i dislike the shockwaves

[tight viper]

There are patterns to it

[plush plover]

thats the only thing i dont really like i think they only make sense for hegemol

[still osprey]

Pale Court is an extremely impressive mod for what it is, but it has some wack balance

[light swan]

yea im pretty sure that once you learn the bosses theres patterns and its less just random bullshit

[plush plover]

dryya shouldve been more than a rehashed pure vessel but shes also my 2nd fave because of that

hegemol did the whole rehash of failed champ thing really well in comparison

[light swan]

but all my favorite bosses are ones where a first look will have you know its not really random bullshit

[tight viper]

Hegemol is pretty good

[undone gate]

What are all your favorite bosses

[light swan]

karmelita second sentinel pure vessel sisters of battle lost kin and spoilers for other games

[tight viper]

imo Mystic Ze'mer is peak, lots of parry potential in that fight

[plush plover]

did you see genios r04 ze'mer vid frito?

[tight viper]

was the first comment on it

[plush plover]

peak

[still osprey]

lost kin is a goated pick honestly I respect it

[light swan]

i also have a pretty unique playstyle for sob tbh

like, i pretty much only pogo in the fight and most of the videos i see on yt dont do that

[plush plover]

what is your playstyle like because i really want to enjoy sisters more but atm i just cant

ah ic

[light swan]

the rhythm of pogo > double jump > pogo > double jump on stuff like the dives and timing pogos on their double dashes

[still osprey]

Lost Kin always felt like a highlight to me and I'm not quite sure why exactly

[undone gate]

Lost Kin jump is kinda bs though even if I like Lost Kin a lot

[light swan]

feels much more like a dance

[still osprey]

ohhhh like nkg!

[light swan]

like im watching cranky templars fight rn and he kinda just inches and then does 3 side slashes and stuff

[plush plover]

i relate to that person. everyone here constantly ignores me and also beats me to death daily. Nobody talks about my favorite boss sob who is like a dance

[light swan]

like i pogo the dives and stuff

[light swan]

lost kin is probably the boss i like the most in hk

and i know im stupid for that because bosses like sob and pv exist

[undone gate]

It's so fun to have your Ddark in the fight hit all 3 of them

[plush plover]

sisters made me kind of jaded same with pv

[still osprey]

I think my top 3 hk bosses will always be PV GPZ NKG

[plush plover]

i grew to like absrad and gpz more

[undone gate]

Lost Kin still has the jump

[plush plover]

also watchers but im the only person ever who likes watchers that much

[light swan]

yea it does, which is why i know im stupid for that

tbh a telegraph exists for the jump its just not obvious

[plush plover]

i ran too much pv and got sick of it but its still like my 6th favorite boss 😔

[still osprey]

I used to really like watcher knights but they're honestly really simple for being a mandatory boss

[light swan]

spot the difference

[still osprey]

hk's mandatory bosses are, kind of weird, icl

[candid kayak]

posture

...head size

[undone gate]

Is there a telegraph for where it will land

[plush plover]

theyre more fun in ab and any% idc what people say ngl

[light swan]

the arc ofi t's jump

ig

[candid kayak]

true

[still osprey]

I've thought about this for silksong but not much for HK

What is the least amount of required bosses needed to reach True Ending? As in, Dream No More in this case

[undone gate]

If your in the air you can't know which arc the boss will jump unless you have insane reaction speed

[candid kayak]

don't be in the air.

[still osprey]

assuming you play on current patch without any skips btw

[light swan]

if youre in the air then it doesnt matter where lost kin lands

[undone gate]

I feel like just adding an infection blob on the place where the boss will jump then jumping on the blob will remove the issue

[graceful oyster]

I can't believe it
The people I taught how to play magic finally ganged up and beat me

[still osprey]

^

[candid kayak]

being in the air probably means you're making unnecessary movements

[light swan]

YEAAAAAAAA

[still osprey]

yes

[light swan]

i do agree that the jump sucks btw

even then, i have an unreasonable love for lost kin

[candid kayak]

try to move less in combat
flailing around makes you more likely to get hit

[still osprey]

I'm going to ponder this rq I'll come back with my findings

[undone gate]

True Lost Kin is a boss I like a lot

[plush plover]

hornet 1, broken vessel(?), watchers, uumuu, hornet 2, traitor lord, thk, radiance?

oh wait no skips so wings would be a must yeah

[candid kayak]

move to attack, dodge, etc. but don't just move around all willy-nilly

[plush plover]

is crystal guardian required to get to cdash i dont remember i just fight the dude all the time anyway

[candid kayak]

don't think so

[graceful oyster]

No

[plush plover]

oh dung defender for ismas also

[strange knot]

No

[candid kayak]

they just guard a bench and you can go up and over the room

[strange knot]

Do you even need dash for te

[plush plover]

no skips

[graceful oyster]

You only ever need to kill Cguardian for mask shard and... p3? P2?

[strange knot]

And bench

[candid kayak]

psomething

[graceful oyster]

Bench isn't required for anything

[plush plover]

p2

[graceful oyster]

No % given

[candid kayak]

bench is required for sitting

[plush plover]

at least 2 imo

maybe 3

[candid kayak]

the knight learning what "sitting on the floor" is:

[still osprey]

is there anything in main hk progression that requires Dive?

[candid kayak]

I...

nothing I can think of

[undone gate]

I don't think there is anything

[graceful oyster]

Iirc there is but not off the top of my head

[plush plover]

i know the TE route grabs dive but idr what for

[strange knot]

Pretty sure you can do that without any bosses

[graceful oyster]

I get dive in my runs to get ddark

[candid kayak]

crystal peak maybe

since the alternative is lantern and that's expensive

[graceful oyster]

Ddark makes killing things very fast

[plush plover]

maybe

[still osprey]

Ok here is the hard part for this, you do need 1800 Essence for Awoken Dream Nail... What's the least amount of bosses you can fight to reach that 1800 Essence...

[strange knot]

0

[undone gate]

None you can just farm essence

[candid kayak]

true

[still osprey]

wait you're right

[strange knot]

You can just kill bees for 40 hours

[candid kayak]

it would take a very long time though

[plush plover]

peak TE route moment

[undone gate]

It's required for low% TE right

[plush plover]

also very fond of nkg% bee farm

[still osprey]

ok then unless I am forgetting something, these are the only required bosses in hk assuming you play on current patch with no glitches or unitended skips

and go for true ending

[strange knot]

Is it correct to count thk? We don’t need to kill them for te

[candid kayak]

still gotta fight them

[plush plover]

you fight them anyways

[still osprey]

I mean, you have to fight them, so, yea

[undone gate]

It's the same for False Knight

[candid kayak]

true

[still osprey]

hmm good point

[light swan]

anyway i made a metroidvania tierlist

[plush plover]

you can skip like 70% of the fight after first stagger so idk

[light swan]

everything is ordered

[candid kayak]

false knight (skippable)

[plush plover]

actually wait, false knight youd need to get for city crest anyway

[candid kayak]

S(ilksong)

[plush plover]

since no shade skips

[candid kayak]

there's other ways in

[still osprey]

but there's other ways into city

[light swan]

are yall theorizing some sort of low% or smth 😔

[strange knot]

Low boss amount true ending ig

[plush plover]

oh right because resting grounds into city from peaks

[still osprey]

get money to enter Crystal Peak through the toll, Enter Resting Grounds through Crystal Peak... no but then you need Dive to enter city through there hmmmmm

[plush plover]

:stupid_yi:

[graceful oyster]

The other Nine Sols looked crazy boring

[undone gate]

You can go through Deepnest

[still osprey]

Oh wait you might be cooking

Deepnest into Tram into Edge into King's Station

[candid kayak]

you can climb up the elevator from ancient basin

[strange knot]

Oh yeah tram

[light swan]

does it? ive been recommended it by a really good friend who got me into nine sols and blasphemous and plenty of other games

[still osprey]

yea yea ok Tram works woooo

[light swan]

also it has a double jump from the beginning and it can be refreshed by landing any attack

[fair stag]

I have a funny hot take: sands of Karak is much cooler and more interesting than Coral Gorge anyway.

[light swan]

and i know from experience that games that have that are peak

[plush plover]

yippee discovered the sequence break

[still osprey]

Isma's is not required for anything off the top of my head. You can get to Uumuu with Shade Cloak and CDash

so, no Dung Defender

[candid kayak]

tram to kingdom's edge and climb up

[graceful oyster]

Well if your friend played it that's more of a trustworthy word than mine, so

[still osprey]

wait you can do that?

[fair stag]

Why is Hollow Knight low A tier???

[plush plover]

should be able to

[still osprey]

I thought Dung Defender was required for Isma is he not??

[graceful oyster]

He is

[fair stag]

Then you hang out with very different people. The people I know, all they talk about it coral gorge

Agreed

[still osprey]

oh wait you meant for city access ok I misunderstood

[candid kayak]

the archives are filled with acid though

[still osprey]

I am 99% sure CDash gets you through it

[light swan]

low? looks high to me

[candid kayak]

avoiding the acid without isma's tear feels pretty skip-y to me

[fair stag]

My friends all have gaslit themselves into decided that coral gorge will “come in one of the DLCs because of that random ledge near coral tower

[still osprey]

I don't think there's anything major you're skipping

you just cling to a wall and cdash

or even just, stand on the ground

[undone gate]

To get Shade Cloak don't you need Ismas Tear

[still osprey]

like not even close to the acid

[candid kayak]

I mean like in the same way that as the queen's garden acid skip

[fair stag]

I honestly still thing HK is better than Silksong

[candid kayak]

idk, not sure how much room there is

[light swan]

and i dont

[still osprey]

I... don't think so? Maybe??

[candid kayak]

no shade cloak does not require tear

shade cloak is in the abyss, after hornet 2

[still osprey]

yea no you don't

[undone gate]

In Kingdom's Edge isin't there Acid to prevent you from going to Hornet 2

[candid kayak]

go around it

[still osprey]

you can go around it

[plush plover]

yea

[fair stag]

Or at least I enjoyed Hollow Knight more than Silksong. I think they are equal in how GOOD they are

[plush plover]

more bees

[light swan]

and i enjoyed silksong more than hollow knight and i think silksong is better than hollow knight

[candid kayak]

green marks where the acid you're thinking of is

[undone gate]

That makes sence

[candid kayak]

bold of you to assume there will be one

idk honestly

[graceful oyster]

top 10 reasons

[plush plover]

top 10 reasons!!!!!!!

[fair stag]

Yeah. Honestly it was what I expected when I played Silksong just because I knew that it wouldn’t be able to recreate the feeling from the first one. I just personally enjoyed Hollow Knight more, but either way they are both legendary games

[light swan]

yep

[fair stag]

Im not sure, I have wondered that myself as well

[exotic dome]

nice silkpost

[light swan]

anyway hk being in A isnt a bad thing at all i still love the game

everything in S is just so damn peak for me

[fair stag]

I haven’t played the other ones, but I plan to

Although you are talking to someone that has over 450 hours on HK, and I am not planning on being done any time soon

There will always be a harder challenge

[light swan]

you are talking to someone with precisely 703 hours in silksong

and like, 200 hours in hollow knight

[fair stag]

Currently im trying to finish charm binding on p5

[light swan]

:D

[exotic dome]

i think nine sols have the potential to surpass hk1 for me and then i'll replay hk and i'll change my mind again when the resting grounds ost hits

[fair stag]

Ah yes, a fellow resident of no life’s ville!

[light swan]

no i have a lifei just spend a lot of time afking

[fair stag]

Why???

[strange knot]

Nine sols already surpassed hk for me and I haven’t even finished the game

[undone gate]

I have beaten Phanteon 5 with Charms Binding it's a fine challange in general I don't find Phanteon 5 fun

[light swan]

200 hours accumulated over 6 years isnt too bad i think

[light swan]

i dont know either im not happy about it

[plush plover]

9sols is much more enjoyable for me in almost every way but hk does have its incredibly peak moments also

[light swan]

my pc is just on a lot and hcances are silksong is on in the background

[graceful oyster]

That's so funny that our hour counts are reversed

[fair stag]

I honestly don’t really either, but it’s just for completionest sake

[light swan]

you have 307 hours in silksong?

[plush plover]

i only have like 175 hours in silksong

[undone gate]

Are you trying to get the Whethered Mask

[graceful oyster]

Oh I thought you said 200

[plush plover]

meanwhile 556 in hk

[light swan]

i mean i have 200 in hk

but 703 reversed is 307

[graceful oyster]

That's why I said reversed

[fair stag]

Yeah, but I have a plan of things to do in order.

[graceful oyster]

No no, I have 200 in Silksong and 700 in HK

[exotic dome]

you guys have too many hours than me

[light swan]

its ok eventually youll reach 700 hours like me

[strange knot]

I have 219 in hk and 439 in sk

[still osprey]

So then the general route I have in mind for this is

Go through Crossroads and Greenpath like normal (skip false knight), Get Dash from Hornet, Go to Fungal Wastes, get Claw, enter Deepnest through the troll fall on the west side of Fungal, get Tram Pass, Go into Peak for C.Dash at some point, Fall into Resting Grounds from Peak and get Dream Nail, Use the tram to go to Basin, get Wings from Broken Vessel, Get into Kingdom's Edge through the tram, fight Hornet 2 for King's Brand, Return to Basin and enter The Abyss for Shade Cloak, go through Fog Canyon and enter Queen's Gardens through the Wraiths room, do Traitor Lord, Go back and do Uumuu, go to city through Edge and do Watcher Knights, Grind 1800 Essence from enemies to get Awoken Dream Nail, White Palace, Abyss, Void Heart, THK, Radiance

Anyone spot any issues with this orrrrrrr

[undone gate]

Do you ever plan to do Phanteon 5 All Binding at once

[light swan]

pc games only

[graceful oyster]

Only 32 in MIO?????

[plush plover]

2.7 hours rain world 😔

[light swan]

wrong mio

[graceful oyster]

I'm dumb

[light swan]

will be more eventually dw

[undone gate]

Celeste is Peak

[fair stag]

P5 all bindings separate, all bosses no hit charmless, p5 all bindings, p5 hitless, p5 hitless AB

[exotic dome]

how long is mio demo

[still osprey]

oh yea also return to deepnest and get herrah at some point after dream nail I forgor

[graceful oyster]

And then ~650 ish in HK

[light swan]

it includes ||dwellings up to the metropolis checkpoint, feral undergrowth and haven but no flora and crow so no upper haven||

but also ||sol and vin||

MIO SPOILERS

[fair stag]

I’ve already done most of the bosses no hit charmless, but the hard ones like shudders Markoth I am saving until later.

[light swan]

my switch ive had since 2018 but i also play much less of it whereas pc ive had only since summer of 2025 but i use it much more

[fair stag]

I also did a 54 minute speedrun which I am happy with and don’t care about beating

[graceful oyster]

Now that I think about it I never once thought about doing hitless charmless on HK bosses back in the day but now it feels like a necessary thing to do hitless jadeless on egg

That's a funny split

[undone gate]

P5 hitless AB is insane you realize only less than 100 people have beaten it

[fair stag]

Yep and I intend to join them

[light swan]

if i were to count switch games, (off of memory)

1. super smash bros (first game, probably 700 hours)
2. xenoblade chronicles 3 (500+)
3. xenoblade chronicles 2 and hollow knight (~200)
4. xenoblade chronicles 1 and persona 5 royal (~150)
5. cant remember

[graceful oyster]

R5ab? Way less than 100

[light swan]

500 hours on a switch rpg is honestly quite incredible

[graceful oyster]

It's like 20 people who've done r5ab

[light swan]

considering ive only done 2 playthroughs

[exotic dome]

i wish minecraft had a playtime count

[graceful oyster]

Last I checked

[fair stag]

I think I can do it. I can at least do p5 hitless

[undone gate]

Yea it's insane

[graceful oyster]

Ah everyone is so eager

I have friends who think they can do r5

They haven't even beaten p5

[fair stag]

I’ve never done enough of a super challenge so I want to take one like that on

[light swan]

i havent beaten p5

[undone gate]

I don't ever want to do R5 it sounds so not fun

[light swan]

i know im bad yall dont need to tell me twice

200 hours in the game for what 💔

i havent even done ascended absrad 💔

[fair stag]

And another challenge that isn’t too hard is to do pantheon of Hallownest and pantheon of Pharloom back to back

[undone gate]

I beat P5 charms binding and I have like 230 hours

[light swan]

i love how so many hk acronyms are shared

we need to start using the first 2 letters

poph vs popa

which silksong area is cooler, chch or coco

[strange knot]

P5 sounds so no fun by itself ngl

[exotic dome]

i never tried p5 with bindings

[undone gate]

Even I didn't do that when I had 200 hours I only did it recently

[strange knot]

It’s not fun at all for me

[fair stag]

I have done all bosses hitless and all the bindings on p5 except charm and all the other pantheons with all bindings at once

[exotic dome]

it's crazy that i have 180 hours in this game and there are still things that i havent done

[light swan]

ive done only 1 impressive thing in hk

[undone gate]

I only did it for the sake of doing it

[fair stag]

The charm binding sucks but the other ones are pretty fun

[light swan]

and its kind of not impressive

[exotic dome]

are p5 bindings needed for land of storms

[fair stag]

Yeah

[strange knot]

Nail binding doing nothing but making already boring fights even more boring and tedious:

[undone gate]

Yea it's needed to get Whethered Mask

[still osprey]

Is RadHoG considered impressive at all that's the hardest thing I've done in HK

[light swan]

@graceful oyster whats your 2nd favorite 9s boss theme

[fair stag]

Not necessarily, instead you switch up your play style to include more spells

[light swan]

ive done asc+hog (aside rfom absrad ofc)

id say radhog is impressive

[undone gate]

For me it's ||Ji||

[exotic dome]

you are now allowed to think about being a casual

[strange knot]

Is radiant moss charger considered an achievement

[fair stag]

Ehhh

[light swan]

radiant moss charger upslash only

[fair stag]

I mean it’s kinda like the easiest boss to do radiant

[still osprey]

I'd say everything is considered an achievement as long as you're proud of it

Even if it's easy

[fair stag]

True

[exotic dome]

dreamshield only radiant moss charger

[light swan]

im not proud of doing pv and nkg radiant dreamshield only

[graceful oyster]

2nd? What's my first?

[light swan]

probably The Path For Us All

[fair stag]

PANTHEON 5 HITLESS BLINDFOLDED WITH ONLY DREAMSHIELD

[light swan]

which is jsut undoubtedly the winner it cant be close

[undone gate]

It's Yi's theme right

[strange knot]

Most impressive thing I’ve done is asc hog prob

[light swan]

if its not The Path For Us All id be disappointed

[graceful oyster]

I genuinely don't jive with yi's

[light swan]

well i wouldnt be disappoitned

[plush plover]

my will is our truth comes quite close idkk

[light swan]

but id be surprised

[exotic dome]

i consider killing a tiktik without taking damage as an achievement

[plush plover]

i like them both equally methinks

[light swan]

whats your favorite then

[graceful oyster]

Literally came on in the shuffle the moment you said that

[unkempt minnow]

What if i named myself tormented trobbio would that count as spoilers

[undone gate]

After that my most favorite boss theme is Ji then Yingzhao

[fair stag]

Ok well I need to get some sleep for my impending super challenges, so gn!

[unkempt minnow]

If i said something in hk channel

[plush plover]

https://tenor.com/view/yi-nine-sols-plush-yi-plush-dance-gif-4343975569721421750

[light swan]

so many boss themes

[graceful oyster]

Anyway I think it's Genny's, Fudie's, then Egg's.

[light swan]

whos fudie again

[plush plover]

crossing blades fan?!?!?!

||lady E||

[graceful oyster]

I do wish Egg's was better compositionally

[light swan]

why is she named fudie 💔

[exotic dome]

why is this high quality

[undone gate]

Who is genny and fudie

[graceful oyster]

But for what it is I understand it is good

[strange knot]

Because it’s peak

[plush plover]

pronunciation of her name in chinese i think

[graceful oyster]

Chinese characters fu and die

It's butterfly

[light swan]

fuck you and die

[undone gate]

Crossing Blades is amazing, the best non boss Nine Sols theme is Last Man Standing

[plush plover]

i think thats why they didnt wanna go with fudie in the final lmao

[graceful oyster]

That one felt too cliche

[light swan]

outside of the vocals crossing blades sounds too much like a xenoblade theme

[plush plover]

nothing comes close to the credits song for non boss themes imo

[light swan]

which is probably a good thing

[light swan]

THIS IS WHY YOURE THE GOATtTTTT

[plush plover]

i think it is my favorite over most boss themes anyway

[undone gate]

It is an Amazing Song

[light swan]

collage is just way too good

[graceful oyster]

My favorite non boss tracks are Beneath the Surface ||(A-man facility)||, Path of Sorrow ||(late stage LadE platforming)||,
and from there it becomes ambiguous

[plush plover]

i def think my will is our truth could be compositionally better but the use of those leitmotifs heard throughout the game is just so peak

[graceful oyster]

Yeah but it's the credits music it's barely ingame

[light swan]

in my humble and honest opinion, the path for us all and collage are at the top and nothing comes close

[light swan]

hey credit themes are part of the game too

[plush plover]

but its so peakkk thoughhhh

[light swan]

a good credits song hits so hard

[graceful oyster]

I think you're all drastically overlooking path of sorrow

Also genuinely Take a Tour in New Kunlun is peaksauce

[plush plover]

it is also really good but not collage level tbh :stupid_yi:

[light swan]

a good credits song kinda like

[graceful oyster]

No but I don't think that's a game soundtrack

[light swan]

sets in the hours of peakness of the entire game before it

[graceful oyster]

It's just a song playing in the credits

[light swan]

its similar to an ending theme

as in the theme that plays in the ending cutscene

i guess ive seen games with really good credits so they hit differently for me

[graceful oyster]

It is a game soundtrack, sure, but I don't like ranking it with the others

[unkempt minnow]

How to crest witch

[graceful oyster]

It's compositionally just a normal song

[light swan]

be more specific

[unkempt minnow]

Big boom

HERE COMES THE BIG BOOM

[light swan]

so like, more genre related?

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992122184753479740/1486976441986846821/caption.gif

[plush plover]

if we arent counting the credits theme then hammer of new kunlun, no turning back, and path of sorrow are my top 3

[light swan]

because i feel like a song that plays in the credits deserves to be known as part of the game

there can be normal sounding songs in a game too

[graceful oyster]

When ranking game soundtracks, a song that outlies in place and form is something I would discard, yes

[light swan]

am i xenobrainrot chronicled

[plush plover]

perhaps

[unkempt minnow]

Like abandon ship that ones goated

[graceful oyster]

It's probably just me being predjudiced against lyrical songs in my game soundtrack albums so feel free to ignore me

[unkempt minnow]

I remember blasting abandon ship in the background for like 5 hours straight

[light swan]

xenoblade 3 plays songs with english lyrics and a singer in two key moments, a major character death scene and the final cutscene in the game

[edgy patio]

new dlc = new crest = more memory lockets = new chapel = new enemies

[light swan]

it’s different from the rest of the ost which ranges from ambient to orchestra to metal and kinda electronic at points

but it still works amazingly and i cant count it apart from the rest of the game

similar ideas apply to nine sols

[minor sparrow]

Lusion 3

[graceful oyster]

I love how the first ending music ||(Shadow of Penglai)|| makes me feel calm and confident in my choice, ||like nothing bad or thematically out of place is occuring|| 😊

(Heavy sarcasm btw)

[silk monolith]

lowk I didnt understand that ending

[unkempt minnow]

Which one

[exotic dome]

omg nail arts in nine sols

[unkempt minnow]

HMM

[silk monolith]

the one where ||we up and leave||

[graceful oyster]

NINE SOLS ENDING SPOILERS!!!
||Yi gets what he wants from the start of the game. He took down the council and he's now in control, leaving him to execute the whims he deems correct. This means returning to a doomed planet, taking up Eigong's mantle in Tianhuo research, and continuing to harvest apemen for the project. It's bad because his immoral tendencies present since the start of the game remain.||

||Two wrongs make a wrong||

[silk monolith]

who tf are ||them folk on his planet? Shaun's family?||

[graceful oyster]

||Just apemen that he's using as slaves or pets or whatever. He apparently likes the apemen enough to keep them around in his day to day but he doesn't care for them enough to break them out of the harvesting system as their own innocent race.||

[silk monolith]

🥀 mid fucking ending im glad I got the true ending

[graceful oyster]

That's the point

[edgy patio]

what i think we are possibly getting in sea of sorrow is

• new crest
• more memory lockets
• new chapel
• new enemies for hunter's journal
• new tools
• new boss/bosses
• new fast travel
• new map of course
• new npcs
• new mechanic/new silk skill
• maybe a new ending
• under water exploration

• shakra sell submarine station pin

[heady iron]

• new playable character

[still osprey]

• new game

[shadow stone]

The long lost sibling

[heady iron]

Due to an IP dispute between Team Cherry and their new publisher, Sea of Sorrow will now shift development to another studio

[light swan]

• new studio

[light swan]

bruh same fuckin idea LOL

[queen acorn]

i saw ishoweyes

[edgy patio]

now i want a new ending even more

[ivory chasm]

Flashbacks to hollow knight

[edgy patio]

the silk court

[exotic cedar]

New ending where hornets trips and falls and dies

(Good ending)

[edgy patio]

that already happens when you enter act 3

[heady iron]

We are proud to announce that the 3rd Hollow Knight game will be developed by Supermassive Games

[light swan]

ending where hornet kills gms and saves lace but once lace is out she tries to backstab and kill hornet

[exotic cedar]

She doesn't die 0/10

[light swan]

oh uhh

[unkempt minnow]

Sea of sowwy may be related to lifeblood

[queen acorn]

ending where hornet doenst even reach citadel and js fuckin dies

[edgy patio]

she can if you quit the game and never open it again

[edgy patio]

yeah life blood spire/plasmium lab

[ivory chasm]

Is there a way to retry bosses without mods and a new file?

[queen acorn]

nope

[exotic cedar]

I deleted the game does that mean she's dead

[edgy patio]

which is related to lightning

[light swan]

ending where lace owes hornet and treats her with respect

[unkempt minnow]

What is the difference between plasmium and lifeblood

[edgy patio]

yeah if you make a new save file

[light swan]

also hornet fights the knifht

[heady iron]

Reading comprehension devil strikes again

[queen acorn]

3 whole ass bosses and wants more development

[edgy patio]

lace is a child so that's impossible

[ivory chasm]

If we actually get a second playable character what will it be?

[queen acorn]

when you lowkey evil

[edgy patio]

the lord of the shades

[queen acorn]

me

[heady iron]

Are you saying that this resident of Pharloom is...evil?

[queen acorn]

these residents sure are evil

[edgy patio]

you can roam around pharloom as a giant void entity and destroy anything with the snap of your tendrils

[ivory chasm]

that’s an overkill

[queen acorn]

im killing wisp thicket

[edgy patio]

nah he killed radiance though (the most powerful form of radiance absolute)

[queen acorn]

shade lord reportedly in pharloom to fucking kill wisp thicket

HE????

[heady iron]

Sea of sorrow should have a trench area with vents that leak void

[queen acorn]

sound the gender alarm

[edgy patio]

pretty sure the knight is the shade lord

[heady iron]

I think another link to the abyss would be very cool and fun

[exotic cedar]

Sea of sorrow should remake silksong because it's a bad stinky game

[queen acorn]

your a bad stinky game

[edgy patio]

#hk-general message

[exotic cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1492205023940182037/ssstwitter.com_1775493297817.gif

[queen acorn]

true

[edgy patio]

yea ikr

[minor sparrow]

Obviously

[queen acorn]

aura

[minor sparrow]

Bro never heard of gang violence

[queen acorn]

lace cant use void for shit fraud ass bum ass

[minor sparrow]

Not what I was going for

[queen acorn]

lost garmond GENUIENLY had better void control

[minor sparrow]

That's actually a crazy comparison

[queen acorn]

the truth

[minor sparrow]

And no he doesn't, that mf walks around the arena for most the fight

[queen acorn]

true!

[minor sparrow]

Kind of a freebie though as PV likely was trained against using its void abilities

[ivory chasm]

Is this ragebait

[minor sparrow]

Seeing as it used it in one(1) attack

[queen acorn]

the agenda must be kept

[minor sparrow]

Yeah, maybe LL and Garmond's usage is more instinctual and unrefined

[queen acorn]

the air i dance and i saw it nobody

[minor sparrow]

Something I found really funny was a depiction of Lace just turning on and off her void form like Venom

[ivory chasm]

What is LL without Gms?

[queen acorn]

what

[minor sparrow]

Dead

I can try and find it gimme a bit

[queen acorn]

her giggly ass always giggling

hm: me

[edgy patio]

lace glaze is unsurprising coming from someone has lace in the username

[minor sparrow]

...wait

[queen acorn]

this is a BIG exageration

[ivory chasm]

Did Lost Garmond die or is he just chilling in the blasted steps?

[exotic cedar]

Lost garmond dies

[minor sparrow]

Tbf, laces use of the void is kinda cool

[exotic cedar]

I'm glad he does

[ivory chasm]

I thought we free him when he dies

[queen acorn]

no hes alive living happily with zaza

[minor sparrow]

More like pulling the life support

[queen acorn]

we free him to live happily with zaza on a big farm

[minor sparrow]

Zaza is NOT on that farm

[queen acorn]

they live happily!!!

man

[exotic cedar]

Fire writing

[minor sparrow]

I was about to ask a followup question about snail shaman 5 then I got distracted by soul master

[edgy patio]

1. is definitely shade lord
2. is the knight which is the shade lord so no difference
3. hornet
4. lost garmnod
5. lace
6. sula
7. snail shamans

actually garmond is way better using void than sula

[minor sparrow]

Snail shamans give the knight spells which is the best way to play the game therefor the snail shamans are better

[ivory chasm]

It’s been almost a month since the last patch before sea of sorrow

[minor sparrow]

I honestly haven't noticed

[edgy patio]

hornet interacted with the shade lord who saved her

she has a pretty well relationship with the void

maybe not the void itself but beings of void

nah he is her brother/entity something

[minor sparrow]

I personally don't use my siblings or other people but yknow

I wouldn't classify that as a void user

[unkempt minnow]

So lace is he him

I have been lied to

[ivory chasm]

Hopefully it’s coming very soon or I’m losing my sanity

[minor sparrow]

No, THAT lace is he/him

[minor sparrow]

I suggest just not paying attention to it

Like there are plenty of games to play and things to do. SoS is not that important to me

Honestly was the approach I took to Sk as well, I didn't really notice TC taking that much time until someone in the discord or some rando on youtube starts complaining about it

[ivory chasm]

By losing my sanity I don’t really mean it

[minor sparrow]

Prolly the one in deepnest

The one in QG and FC in not so sure

[exotic cedar]

I want to drink void

[minor sparrow]

That one dude in the abyss tower

[strange knot]

Ngl I don’t want to drink thing that might kill me

[minor sparrow]

That "might" is doing some heavy lifting

[strange knot]

I wonder how void affects humans

[exotic cedar]

Let's test it on someone

[minor sparrow]

I wonder if void is acidic or basic

[minor sparrow]

Well you seemed pretty willing

[exotic cedar]

Its ok guys.... I will try it

[edgy patio]

yeah but it doesn't exist

[exotic cedar]

ill get void powers and be the new shade lord

[minor sparrow]

We still don't actually know the scale of hk so yknow

[exotic dome]

i swear minibosses in ns are harder than bosses

[minor sparrow]

They could be bugs whose bodies facilitated larger growth, and also would make more sense why lava, large swathes of greenery, and ice can exist in the same kingdom

[minor sparrow]

Every time I see your pfp I think "babushka hornet"

[exotic dome]

lol

[edgy patio]

in hollow knight it's depicted (the void) to be an empty black liquid that can take a form of anything but it can take a form of tendrils or an entity like the shade lord himself or can be customized like the pale king made wing molds and kingsmolds

what's the latter?

i guess because they have soul in them?

cus he mixed them with void, soul and armor (shell)

yeah

maybe because they are in the dream world?

yeah maybe

[unkempt minnow]

TRRROOOOOOBBIOOOOO
||I AM NOT A TROBBIO FAN||

If silksong didnt exist would hornet work like switching to franklin but in hollow knight

[edgy patio]

i think he does because when the pale king was making the kingsmolds he was mixing soul and void in them and the collector escaped if he was entirely void he would be more insane that he actually is

also the knight isn't hollow in sk

fuck you got me there

yeah i have no idea then

he might exist just to exist

[light swan]

no it happens immediately

then she thanks hornet for giving her life then kills herself to atone for all her murders

also hornet goes to songclave and she’s really mean again

[rich pagoda]

I was so close to getting the couriers rasher but I forgot where the guy who wants it is in the stupid room

Panicked
Ran around like a headless chicken

I want to cry

[edgy patio]

that's not the worst delivery quest

that one is tame compared to the worst one

[rich pagoda]

But it's required for a nail upgrade

[edgy patio]

yeah i know but the worst one is way harder than this one

[rich pagoda]

And at least I can plan out my route and kill most enemies in my way

There's some annoying shits in Shellwood but I deal

[edgy patio]

worst one is optional but you can do it for true 100%

which i did on my steel soul save

[rich pagoda]

I'm not going for true 100%
If it gives an actual % or something useful I'll do it

Otherwise, fuck nah

[edgy patio]

memory lockets don't give percent

[foggy gulch]

Who else suck at silksong rn

[unkempt minnow]

Huh

[edgy patio]

they kinda do if you wanna get ||sylphsong or upgraded vesticrest/hunters crest||

but the last memory lockets are only if you wanna unlock every crest in the game

which i did so that i don't confuse it up when sea of sorrow releases, because a new crest = new memory lockets to find

[edgy patio]

not me

[rich pagoda]

I already have the crest I like the most unlocked and fully upgraded so I have just been hoarding memory lockets at this point

[edgy patio]

what is that crest you like

[rich pagoda]

I don't wanna unlock slots on Wanderers, Reaper or Beast. Because I just don't like them.

Architect.
I also have Hunter with all slots opened. I do like Hunter.

[unkempt minnow]

Wanderer is goated

[edgy patio]

Architect? oh yeah i guess that's expected

[rich pagoda]

But I'm an Architect main

[unkempt minnow]

Same

[foggy gulch]

32 silksong deaths at greymoor

This game ends fast right?

[chilly glacier]

I can't wait for HK: SS: SoS

[edgy patio]

i am a wanderer and hunter main but i have been getting into beast crest because it's a really fast and aggressive crest that deals alot of damage

i haven't learned witch properly yet, like the bind move im gonna learn it later

[chilly glacier]

I love the architect crest just because I like drills. It's not even a tool spam thing for me.

[edgy patio]

[edgy patio]

architect + delvers drill = drill crest

[rich pagoda]

My reasons for not liking Wanderers, Reaper or Beast is as follows:
The pogos get on my nerves for all 3. Wanderers has baby reach and not enough red tools for my taste. Wanderers pogo, I know is just the Knight's pogo- I just don't like it in this game. Reaper's benefits just don't appeal to me. And Beast has the same issue. Benefits are just ew.

Meanwhile I like Hunters because it's nicely balanced and feels normal. Good pogo. Even before Architect I used to spam tools, just on Hunters crest. Having 2 reds is still good.
I love Architect. I love pulling out different tools for different situations and cackling maniacally as I toss out more tacks and pointy evil things

I genuinely don't think I'd really have gone anywhere in this game without tool spam

[queen acorn]

slop

[queen acorn]

wait nvm it makes sense now

[edgy patio]

me when i don't read and just look at the parts i hate the most

[short kiln]

The wanderer problem has a fix with the range, the pogo doesn't tho

[queen acorn]

no i didnt read any of it at all

dont be silly

[edgy patio]

yeah that's why i sent that message because you didn't read at all

[rich pagoda]

The tool based warcrimes are an art. I'm naturally good at warcrimes because I'm Canadian.

[queen acorn]

but like does it matter

[rich pagoda]

It's just meant to be

[edgy patio]

reaper crest pogo is filthy i hate it it's super slow and is just not for me, i do like beast crest pogo but still haven't learnt how to use it because i keep using it too close and get punished for that

[foggy gulch]

i cant silk no more 😔

[distant crag]

Hi im new, on Monday my friend gave me SS and i recently defeated Fourth Chorus tonight

[queen acorn]

how slow mfs swear reaper pogo is (hunter is one bootytickle quicker)

[violet canopy]

Guys what’s the hardest boss in the game in your opinion?

[queen acorn]

pale stag

[violet canopy]

This mf so ass I hate him

[edgy patio]

radiant zango (normal way of killing him)

[queen acorn]

true

[rich pagoda]

Architect Crest has a slower pogo with an air stall wind up that you can lengthen or shorten but it's always slower than hunter pogo
I don't dislike the speed
I just don't like the attack's arc of motion

[exotic dome]

reaper is slower than this

[edgy patio]

solution: volt vessels (bola)

[queen acorn]

are you are you coming to the tree

[rich pagoda]

Reapers pogo arc is what annoys me more than the speed because I'm used to Architect pogo now

[distant crag]

For some reason the Fourth Chorus was nostalgic for me cause it’s boss fight layout reminded me of a Cuphead boss and it gave me nostalgia because Cuphead was the first indie game I played

[edgy patio]

using beast crest pogo for platforming makes me feel im really good at the game when i really am

[exotic dome]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1050125859232698429/1200894980940648558/attachment.gif

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351620602733265049/1359339146790961294/Screenshot_20250321-143132.gif

[violet canopy]

And out of curiosity, which crest was your main throughout the game?

[queen acorn]

mmm witch...

[rich pagoda]

Using Archi crest pogo in combat makes me feel smarter than I really am because to land those fully charged, you almost have to predict where the enemy is going to be.

[still osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1425750070434857113/1426503896259625041/caption.gif

[queen acorn]

true!

[rich pagoda]

I think the slow pogo is an ok trade for the warcrimes potential though

I'm dumb

[still osprey]

This is why team cherry should remove crests. Fuck unique playstyles. Fuck replayability. Fuck experimenting with new stuff. And FUCK the Beast Crest specifically

[distant crag]

I dont know what you guys are talking about tbh cause I only have one crest

[queen acorn]

funny way to spell wanderer

[rich pagoda]

Lol yea definitely should go back to the way the Knight worked

I hope you like having a nail and 3 spells to work with and very little build variety

[peak nymph]

ur too horney
pls stop fucking tools and playstyles it's disguisting place a lock on your pants

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929400024595595315/1126978894688440410/ED6EFBC5-A68E-48C6-9103-B123B1ECC22D.gif

[queen acorn]

are you are you

[violet canopy]

I had it for a lil bit while cursed it felt similar to wanderer but slower

[queen acorn]

funny potential

[violet canopy]

I couldn’t put wanderer down once I found it

Felt like og hk with super quick slash

[rich pagoda]

So far every crest I have found besides Architect, I have ran screaming to a bench to unequip it

Aaaaa get it offf get it offff mee

[still osprey]

icl after replaying 112% HK I cannot see a world where I use Wanderer ever again

[distant crag]

Can I have a small explanation on crests cause im a new SilkSong player

[violet canopy]

But wanderer is so peak🥹

[queen acorn]

do not ask

[rich pagoda]

I don't like the pogo in this game
I don't like only having 1 red tool
I don't like having a tiny ass reach

There's not enough good yellow tools to make it worth using

[violet canopy]

Yeah I get that

[distant crag]

Got it, I will keep that in mind 0_0

[violet canopy]

I put long claw on and I’m mostly a nail only player so it’s worked perfectly

[still osprey]

Crests basically determine Hornet's movset. They change things like range, attack hitboxes, attack speed, and the pogo. Each crest is basically a different archetype, and has different tool slots to account for each. For example, Beast is a very aggressive crest, as a result, it turns the heal into an offensive life-steal father than a defensive instant heal. Architect is a crest focused all around red tools, and as a reault has a unique bind that restores all red tools on command, but it lacks a silk skill slot

[violet canopy]

I used archi once against palestag, bro completely melted

[rich pagoda]

My playstyle is clearly pretty different lol
I have never been a nail focused player even in HK. I'm more of a person who uses as much random BS I can to win

I will probably give spell spam a go in the late game when I get stuff to support it and more spell options
But currently? Tools are really accessible

[still osprey]

I am a Hunter main through and through I love Hunter so much

[violet canopy]

Don’t u run out of beast shells?

[rich pagoda]

Eh
You can buy more and rosaries are infinite with some farming

[still osprey]

Great moveset, great tool slot distribution, best pogo, great passive, just all around solid from every angle

[violet canopy]

I think it’s the crest I hated most

The pogo felt so off and un flowy

[rich pagoda]

In HK I ran a funky spell build. Mark of Pride, Shaman Stone, Soul Eater and Dreamwielder.
I know that most people prefer some combo using Spell Twister instead of Soul Eater. It's a personal preference thing. I also loved Dreamwielder.

My build only had issues with P5 Collector where I can't one shot the minions due to lacking Strength

[tulip spire]

Archetypes:

Hunter: Rewards perfection and mastery, pretty versatile
Wanderer: Focuses on speed and needle attacks. Requires good positional awareness.
Beast: Unga bunga
Witch: High risk gameplay with some nutty techs
Architect: Resource intensive, brute force via toolspam
Shaman: Spell spam, requires a patient approach
Reaper: the bad one

[still osprey]

My usual hk build is Shaman Stone, Steady Body, Strength, Quick Slash, and Nailmaster's Glory, because why would I run anything else 🔥

[rich pagoda]

Dah fair enough I'm mostly pointing out my playstyle carried over

[short kiln]

Oh, that's comparing, that's fine

[still osprey]

I was literally liveposting an entire hk playthrough no one cares

[tulip spire]

Okay thank you Mr mod

[short kiln]

I only sent it cus you were going more into HK stuff

[still osprey]

90% of the time this channel doesn't even talk about hk or ss

[short kiln]

That's most channels

[rich pagoda]

It's chill lol
I'm hopeful that soon I'll pick up Shaman crest and be able to spell spam. Right now I'm using tools as if they're my spells. I'm unfortunately still in act 2

I also need to get more spells and silk hearts

[still osprey]

I could not get the hang of shaman at all for some reason

[candid kayak]

surely it has nothing to do with how late in the game you obtain it...

[patent heath]

I could get the hang of it easily.

[still osprey]

No like I started a playthrough with it played through all of Act 1 and 2 fighting all bosses and I just couldn't get it

[candid kayak]

mm

[rich pagoda]

I have a feeling it'll become my favourite crest when I get it. I like Hunter and Architect. Those work for me.

[strange knot]

I wonder what’s max% you can get without faydown

With skips

[patent heath]

You can't enter Act 3 at all, so remove those.

[still osprey]

No wisp thicket either so no mask shard, flea, craftmetal, and lantern

[patent heath]

Also cannot enter the uhhhh...... area with the Father Of The Flame.

Yeah, that.

[strange knot]

Can you not do a conch pogo for wisp thicket?

[patent heath]

There's an invisible wall.

[still osprey]

There is an invisible ceiling that only goes away if you get wings

[strange knot]

Even on older patches?

[still osprey]

Yes

[patent heath]

Yes.

[strange knot]

That sucks

[still osprey]

Been there since release

[rich pagoda]

Patience is my middle name when it comes to fights
I notoriously fall apart when asked to speedrun

Or play aggressively

[strange knot]

I remember that you could enter thicket with beast charge ngl

[still osprey]

You could reach the wall, but not actually enter the area

[patent heath]

You can get 8 masks without Faydown, probably.

[violet canopy]

Yo how long does winning attempts on bosses usually took u?

[coral trench]

Can we get a bench in Voltnest before the boss fight?

[strange knot]

I wonder if you can get volt nest with a precise volt pogo

[short kiln]

Itd be annoying but with some glitches maybe

[strange knot]

Because I tried that and it seems impossible ngl

[distant crag]

If you swap Cuphead and Hornet from there respective games what would happen

[short kiln]

Or some close movements like the skip for fourth chorus

[strange knot]

Oh fuck I tried that without drifters yeah it’s def possible

[light swan]

it always is

[rich pagoda]

Good question. Uhhh
I don't time anything and don't have data for Silksong yet but I have a about 2 minute 30 seconds of radiant pure vessel recorded somewhere c:
It takes over an hour for a P5 clear.
Trust when I say that I don't win boss fights quickly and I don't try to rush them. This fact hasn't changed between games.

Slow and steady wins the game 👍

[violet canopy]

I meant for sk

I’m hollow knight the fights felt significantly shorter

[rich pagoda]

I know that Last Judge was a couple minutes long fight. Probably like 4-5 minutes

[violet canopy]

And my p5 run took 1:10 mins with breaks

[strange knot]

2-5 attempts for bosses ussually

Like 5 exceptions probably

[violet canopy]

Lost lace was 5 min fight for me I was loosing it lol

[still osprey]

Yea Garmond and Zaza is pretty hard I don't blame you for taking more than 5 tries on them

[rich pagoda]

But 2-5 attempts is what most bosses take me to get through em. With anomalies like 4th Chorus and Lace 1 being first try kills

[strange knot]

Yeah took me about 60 tries

Tc are EVIL for adding that

[still osprey]

I don't really die to bosses anymore tbh, at least that I can think of

[violet canopy]

I found nothing in sk nearly as hard absrad which is interesting cause overall the game is harder

[still osprey]

That's cuz absrad is bad

[strange knot]

Same except widow and lace 1 ofc

I died to lace 1 more than to lost lace

Oh and Forebrothers

[still osprey]

Widow definitely gets me low but never really kills me

[rich pagoda]

I think that a lot of the difficulty went into the area design, enemies and enemy placement

[strange knot]

I love dying to Forebrothers it’s my fav thing

[rich pagoda]

The bosses aren't as brutal in comparison to just getting to the bosses in the first place Imo

[light swan]

i die to every boss a lot

[rich pagoda]

SK's environment is so much more brutal than HK's with more enemies, more spikes and more annoying enemies

[violet canopy]

Groal is also bad lol

[light swan]

surprisingly, im not very safe when it comes to gameplay

[still osprey]

Groal is fine

[light swan]

i’ve lost 2 steel soul runs to widow

~3 to savage beastfly

[violet canopy]

And honestly I think even pure vessel clears most of the sk roster

[light swan]

and 1 to every other boss before widow except for moorwing and moss mother

this means i died to bell beast lace and fourth chorus, 3 times to savage beastfly, and twice to widow

i havent started another run since

[still osprey]

What about Sister Splinter

[tulip spire]

You can and should skip her in a steel soul lol

[violet canopy]

The coral tower is a good example for it, the enemy gauntlet was somewhat challenging and the boss that follows was dumb easy

[tulip spire]

The enemy gauntlet isn’t that bad unless your build is shit

[rich pagoda]

Here's my dumb trick for practicing and learning patience
Go into a fight that gives you trouble and... just dodge. Don't attack. Just dodge and run circles around the boss for as long as you can.

[violet canopy]

Compared to the boss?

[tulip spire]

I got fall down drunk and muddled my way through the tower on like two tries

[violet canopy]

The boss was… weirdly easy

Has like 2 attacks

[still osprey]

Does it matter that it's easy if it's fun

I really like Khann, good boss

[tulip spire]

Oh I agree Khann is a joke but like if he was super hard it’d be pretty soul crushing

[violet canopy]

Sometimes difficulty adds to the fun

[still osprey]

Could use a buff, but I don't mind how he is now

[light swan]

no i can dodge i just don’t like being so passive

that’s why i rush beast crest

[tulip spire]

Well beast crest is just unga bunga mode

[waxen remnant]

Kinda like you would expect more from a dude who has a giant army instead of cogwork dancers but somehow easier

[tulip spire]

If you can actually master its weird movement you don’t really need to think that hard

[strange knot]

Khann is so fun I love khann

[violet canopy]

Yes I think they took these stuff in consideration, like the karmelita gauntlet is easy but the boss is hard

[strange knot]

And his gauntlets are so awesome

[glossy nebula]

I am new to the waiting game of team cherry, when will the dlc come out

Like is it in q1

[still osprey]

Are we like. Talking about the same boss 😭

[tulip spire]

The Karm gauntlet is like the least necessary gauntlet of all time

[waxen remnant]

I am talking about khann

[strong sand]

"hello this is team cherry,we've been having so much fun with sea of sorrow that we've decided to make it into its own proper game"

[still osprey]

Yea me too

[waxen remnant]

Ye me too

[strange knot]

25% of the chat - asking when dlc will come out
25% - actually discussing silksong
50% - talking about random shit

[still osprey]

Fym "cogwork dancers but somehow easier" that's clover dancers 💔

[glossy nebula]

I dont think that works

[rich pagoda]

Gotta learn to be comfortable playing more passively yea
You're kind of my opposite
I don't like playing aggressively. That's my discomfort point and it kinda shows up more in bosses with additional enemies they summon. Because I genuinely had a tough time with Sister Splinter.

[glossy nebula]

Hello sherma

[strange knot]

Hii

[tulip spire]

Sister splinter kicked my ass on the first playthrough but this was pre nerf

[strange knot]

[violet canopy]

I wonder what the dlc gonna add, cause hk big 3 didn’t come along till the dlc dropped

[waxen remnant]

Khann feels like cogwork dancers but somehow easier to me. Heck clover dancers were harder cuz of tornado. The only reason I lost to khann cuz I forgot my adhd meds that day and got bored

[strong sand]

We need cogwork dancers plus green prince as the godhome fight

[still osprey]

I didn't struggle much with Sister Splinter but I had a rough time with Moorwing

[glossy nebula]

Yep

I dont think godmasters will return to pharloom tho

I mean godseakers

[waxen remnant]

They are kinda dead

[glossy nebula]

So we wont have that type of pantheons

[waxen remnant]

Like really dead

[violet canopy]

I can’t handle another p5 man it’s too early, so I hope you’re right

[glossy nebula]

No?

Depends on the ending

[tulip spire]

Anything to not have to read any more of Ari’s terrible dialog for them lol

[still osprey]

Team Cherry knows players want another godhome, so it's probably gonna come eventually™

[tulip spire]

Really hate how poor the English is

[glossy nebula]

It is readable

[rich pagoda]

I had a breeze with Moorwing
They were easy for me
I killed Moorwing 2nd try and probably would have gotten it first try if my right arrow key didn't choose to falter mid boss fight
Sister Splinter gave me splinters

[glossy nebula]

Better than the steal people atleast

[waxen remnant]

I feel like embrace the void is the more canon ending in my eyes but some people prefer dream no more

[tulip spire]

It is grammatically incorrect very often

[violet canopy]

Pantheon of pharloom with another absrad like boss in the end would be a nightmare

[glossy nebula]

Yep because they are from a land further away

Better english than the delicate flower knight lady

[strong sand]

I don't think they're just make godhome return but we definitely need a way to refight bosses

[still osprey]

I've done the mod Pantheon of Pharloom and it is soooo much better than P5 in HK

[glossy nebula]

We cant dreamnail

[waxen remnant]

P5 was just nail spam

[still osprey]

P5 is so ass SSP5 is so much better

[strong sand]

Making you go to each boss arena to refight them tho through the memory song would get tedious tho

[glossy nebula]

So we cant access sreams

[tulip spire]

I mean that it’s an attempt at “Ye Aulde Englishe” that also like is clearly written with a very poor understanding of what that sounds like

[glossy nebula]

Yep, maybe some weaver tecgnology

[tulip spire]

It drives me nuts

[strong sand]

Silksong p5 is gonna be so exhausting lol

[glossy nebula]

Like a weaver nest in the dock area

[tulip spire]

They use like “thine” before consonants and shit it’s awful

[glossy nebula]

Where we can access ones own memory

[waxen remnant]

I like to see it as godseekers trying to sound like this golden civilization from old times to claim superiority only to literally suck at it

[kind tide]

Erm, FELLAS?

[tulip spire]

If it’s a Bit they need to make that more explicit

[rich pagoda]

I was genuinely confused hearing about people struggling with Moorwing
And people calling Sister Splinter easy
Maybe I'm just an anomaly but the things I suck at seem to be the things that are considered piss easy

[strong sand]

I mean doesn't the mask slip occasionally where they speak more normally

[tulip spire]

Because I’ve seen way too many attempts at early modern English that suck

[glossy nebula]

Remember the grey mourner english?

[waxen remnant]

I never bothered to read what she said

[strong sand]

Moorwing was annoying due to his bs double blade attack other than that he was fine imo

[waxen remnant]

Now moorwing is someone I practice circlet on like routine

[rich pagoda]

See, that doesn't really give me any serious trouble quite like anything that summons ads does

[strong sand]

Nerfing the damage kinda fixes it but the fact the blades seem to have a slight homing effect is a bit dumb imo

[glossy nebula]

I used thread storm and spammed f for more damage, which made her wasy

[light swan]

the kingdom of serenity

[waxen remnant]

I think the ads are just incentive to use spells

[strong sand]

If the attack has to legit break the laws of physics to hit you I don't think it's implemented well

[waxen remnant]

I actually enjoyed gauntlets once I gave in and casted spells

[light swan]

every attack breaks the laws of physics