sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...
...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Hornet: You are wrong, Lady...
Hornet: I knew the wish, and the price to achieve it. And now, across these many ages, I have only come to know it better...
Hornet:** Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.**
Hornet: That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you...
...Indeed, spider... So much pain you must have passed to speak our hope so simply...

[humble surge]

bro its like im talking to someone who doesnt know the hk lore ngl

[opaque sigil]

silksong literally rots your brain

[hybrid flare]

son 💔

debrain yourself right now

[orchid spruce]

guys, whose team's who so i can play favourites

[hybrid flare]

im team me

[orchid spruce]

i disagree

[plush plover]

remain neutral and talk about nine sols instead imo

[hybrid flare]

9 mids

[meager jolt]

I'm eepy

[humble surge]

true

[plush plover]

this is the best team to play on

[light swan]

im not used to my new keybinds

[hybrid flare]

nine sols doesnt have orphan of kos therefore its mid

[plush plover]

wtf ‼️

[light swan]

i keep talismanning trying to dash

[plush plover]

what are your keybinds atm

[rocky jolt]

nerd

[orchid spruce]

GMS looks magnificent in that pic lmao

[quartz gulch]

like

[regal dagger]

well, she is

[orchid spruce]

true

[regal dagger]

radiance is not far behind imo

[hybrid flare]

this argument is as good as bed of chaos

[opaque sigil]

Bed of chaos is above average for the game it’s in I’m ngl

[fluid sphinx]

sea of sorrow is taking a while i'm scared the "we loved developing "smh" so much we are making it a full game" tragedy will happen again

[hybrid flare]

It's a minecraft-tier boss what

[orchid spruce]

she looks she's wearing pilling sweaters

[hybrid flare]

like ds doesnt have very good bosses but bed's rock bottom

[orchid spruce]

^

[opaque sigil]

It’s pure trial and error but at least you learn stuff while fighting it

Which makes it more engaging than most of the roster

[hybrid flare]

The jank doesnt help with the weird moving lingering hand hitboxes at the same time as the floor falls off

[exotic dome]

i beat the first boss

[orchid spruce]

i am a proud father

[plush plover]

peak

[orchid spruce]

come hug papa

[hybrid flare]

AND other fiery hands attacking at the same time

[regal dagger]

There is a 1 in 262 chance that Sea of sorrow releases today!

[exotic dome]

i struggled in first phase and then i first tried the secodn phase im so good

[regal dagger]

at least where i live

[meager jolt]

It's only been around 100 days, give them some time to cook

[exotic dome]

yi hug

[hybrid flare]

Yeah bed isn't an engaging boss in any way

[regal dagger]

i can only wait 50 more days

[hybrid flare]

it kinda forces you to die, go back n run around

[regal dagger]

i am trying to get into nine sols

[opaque sigil]

The bar for ds1 is below hell

[meager jolt]

Why so specific?

[fluid sphinx]

yh ik still tho i'm not hating just scared the "we'll make into a full game" thingy will happen again

[humble surge]

even mossbag says what im saying btw https://youtu.be/K4Zoq1Yk-dM?is=ZW5jqDNLybSxjOrr
at 1:12:25

[hybrid flare]

Bed of chaos is below it

[opaque sigil]

It’s not engaging but it’s more engaging than shit like Taurus demon

[regal dagger]

i assume that's how long it will take, imo

[opaque sigil]

Bed of chaos is in hell

[hybrid flare]

Mossbag is wrong about several things in the video

[meager jolt]

Yh?

[lethal raptor]

i hate these godamn enemies ||im in act 3 and these voided enemies SUCK in this gautlet in hunters march||

[fluid sphinx]

damn why he so serious

[exotic dome]

i was talking about nine sols lol

[fiery burrow]

mossbag in the ripe 26 is kinda crazy ngl

[exotic dome]

bed of chaos has no good aspect

[meager jolt]

Ahhhhh okey

[opaque sigil]

It’s a ds1 boss the bar is there

[hybrid flare]

I'd rather dodge a few basic swings than spend most of my time in the bossfight knocked down or trying to somehow move without seeing where the danger is

[fiery burrow]

pinned comment by the way

[regal dagger]

we literally sacrificed him, and he is part of father of the flame

[fluid sphinx]

umm we waited a LONG tie for silksong remember? i don't an that to happen again.

[exotic dome]

mossbag is washed tbh

[fiery burrow]

mossbag doesn't even agree with you bruh

[hybrid flare]

i did like manus and artorias doe

[meager jolt]

I don't know what "yh" means

[quartz gulch]

He's the guy in the middle

[opaque sigil]

It’s better than Capra demon, ceaseless discharge, the fuckin hydras, etc

[regal dagger]

more like Midbag

[hybrid flare]

capra demon is unironically ok

[regal dagger]

Aether Vivarium is better you guys

[meager jolt]

Wha happen?

[opaque sigil]

Maybe boc being above average was hyperbolic but it’s definitely not the worst

[graceful oyster]

Lmao that mossbag point was torn down SO bad

[hybrid flare]

the dogs are annoying but the demon itself is kinda just.. a swinging enemy

[graceful oyster]

Nova that's unrecoverable

[orchid spruce]

I can grime the prime, time the slime or sleep

[humble surge]

comment is saying hornet saying shes wrong is referring to wls belief hornet wouldnt understand them, this doesnt disprove what mossbag said

[opaque sigil]

Because mossbag can actually read he just didn’t think about it

[hybrid flare]

Boc is def the worst boss, i'd rather refight anything

the hydra is a boss?

[fiery burrow]

well more using him as evidence

he's an okay dude

[hybrid flare]

Discharge attacks like.. twice every 3 years and while it does suck it doesnt commit 30 warcrimes on the spot

[opaque sigil]

[fiery burrow]

just don't visit mosscord

[hybrid flare]

boc got so bad slopazaki personally apologized

[fiery burrow]

man I forgot about that

[regal dagger]

are we discussing lore in sk-discussion, like half-discussing it?

[fiery burrow]

I hope he just misread or something

[humble surge]

because mossbag said hornet saying youre wrong is referring to her actions, but the comment says hornet saying youre wrong means she does understand her actions

[opaque sigil]

Let’s uh not get into that lol

[meager jolt]

What????????

[quartz gulch]

Not as evidence but to support a point. I don't remember the video to full detail though, so I do not give my view on this statement for or against.

[hybrid flare]

huh????????

[orchid spruce]

elder hu

[hybrid flare]

elder huh

[orchid spruce]

elder huh??????

[hybrid flare]

elden ring

[regal dagger]

what why? what happened?

[meager jolt]

Evidence tends to be used to support a point...

[fiery burrow]

ok i don't want to stir up drama or slander him I think it was an accident

[quartz gulch]

Logical conclusions are also used for that, who said it can't be both?

[fiery burrow]

vaguepost king

[light swan]

i just jumped into red spikes 3 times in a row

[meager jolt]

Fair enough

[light swan]

and died

[opaque sigil]

I don’t know how involved he is in micromanaging things just uh maybe leave him mostly out of it

[graceful oyster]

Nice, any savequits?

[sacred lion]

a few times

[humble surge]

bro is scared his truth nuke will destroy the hollow knight community 😦

[regal dagger]

GMS literally

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[hybrid flare]

????????????

[sacred lion]

silksong is long as shit bro im not doing all of that with no deaths without SOME leeway 💔

[meager jolt]

Congrats!

[sacred lion]

i had a lot of previous steel soul runs i didnt try to quit out in and i died soo much it sucks

[light swan]

GGS WATER FLOW

[graceful oyster]

That's fine just don't post your completion screen for gratification if you cheated to get it

[quartz gulch]

"Keep Inventory is cheating" ass opinions

[sacred lion]

on god

[quartz gulch]

womp womp

[meager jolt]

What is keep inventory?

[graceful oyster]

Three diamond guy back at it again

[hybrid flare]

keep inventory is THE way to play mc

[cedar trench]

ror2 got another dlc announced before we got sos at this point i think we'll have to kill tc

[hybrid flare]

i did, im working on sos now

[light swan]

hallowed conceps

[hybrid flare]

dw itll include MORE infection and MORE void

[lucid trellis]

currently kneecapping sprint master swift

[quartz gulch]

Minecraft reference, where certain players consider it cheating if you play the game without the risk of loosing all your stuff when you die.

[graceful oyster]

"I'm not playing no death if I'm not allowed to die SOME times"

[sacred lion]

eh i still did 100% for like the third time so i feel proud

[meager jolt]

Ah, thank you

[quartz gulch]

You never technically died, so this is false.

[cedar trench]

homelander vs oliver from invincible who wins

[graceful oyster]

Good for you then

[hybrid flare]

debbie mogs

[sacred lion]

the abyss the abyss the abyss

[cedar trench]

paul no difss homelander

[meager jolt]

Include Grimm please and thank you I appreciate it

[humble surge]

oliver 1taps him

[graceful oyster]

If you didn't savequit you would have
That's the point of savequitting

[cedar trench]

homelander might be the biggest fraud around

[quartz gulch]

I do wonder, how much can you do without Act3, so you still have a save file without depression?

[cedar trench]

people just like overestimate him because he's a nutcase and because he's the strongest in the verse

so they put him in horrible predicaments

eg; homelander vs omni man

[opaque sigil]

Homelander has never been in a real fight

[regal dagger]

Weaver Queen Hornet beats homelander

[sacred lion]

im gonna keep my fourth save in act 2 so that i can see all of the sea of sorrow stuff without act 3 potentially messing with it

[cedar trench]

omni man is a fucking duplikate victim

[meager jolt]

Any tips on how to feel motivated to do Speed Completion? I really don't want to do 100% a third time....

[quartz gulch]

No. The point of savequitting is that I won't die to bs luck based things. Idc about you're superiority complex though, it's kinda amusing.

[sacred lion]

idk dude

[quartz gulch]

Will you do skips to get some Act3 masks and such?

[sacred lion]

if you dont want to do it then just dont

[meager jolt]

I did that as well

[graceful oyster]

I didn't savequit and didn't die to luck based things because there are no luck based things
Skill issue

[sacred lion]

you dont need to push yourself to do some arbitrary achievement if you dont wanna

[sacred lion]

no

[quartz gulch]

Use a guide, I hate speedrun trophies so I def will.

[meager jolt]

It's the last achievement, tho...

[sacred lion]

speed completion is really easy anyway just play at an average pace and youll make it in time

[opaque sigil]

There is a tiny amount of irony about having this very correct perspective and save quitting in steel soul but I’m not gonna harp on it

[sacred lion]

you get plenty of time

[quartz gulch]

"there are no luck based things" yup, sure, absolutely, never could even happen

[meager jolt]

I like speedrunning and I have a guide, but 100% speedrun sounds so so boring (I know it's ez)

Any% is more my speed

[fiery burrow]

Its morally correct to save quit at the start of act 3

[sacred lion]

bbutbbutbt.... bbig number🥺🥺🥺🥺

[opaque sigil]

This is acceptable

[quartz cave]

hammo

[regal dagger]

it is so ridiculous i mean what?

[graceful oyster]

It's fine but it's still technically cheating
Not gonna knock anyone for it though

[opaque sigil]

Stealing your crest and putting you at super low health is lame

[quartz cave]

when does dimitrescu show up in this

[graceful oyster]

[sacred lion]

why are there underworkers in cogwork core anyway

[opaque sigil]

Post credits scene trust

[meager jolt]

You just did, tho

[quartz cave]

why so late 💔

[patent heath]

If also resets your silk skill to Silkspear if I remember correctly.

[graceful oyster]

No no, start of Act 3

[sacred lion]

removes your tools too

[opaque sigil]

Part of stealing your crest it just wipes your loadout

[graceful oyster]

Also, I'm knocking redshift for using the completion screen for gratification, idc about people who savequit so long as they're honest about it

[sacred lion]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-x-shadow-generations-shadow-shadow-the-hedgehog-gif-13952784792242932490

[meager jolt]

HIIIIIII haven't seen you in forever!

[patent heath]

It cannot be that difficult to just let us continue with the Crest we were already using. 🏚️

[patent heath]

Hello.

[sacred lion]

i hope team cherry does some changes to the crest system when sea of sorrow drops

after all i think theyre adding a new one

[meager jolt]

Pretty animation, where's it from?

[plush plover]

@patent heath

[opaque sigil]

Yeah I have no idea why they did that

[sacred lion]

sonic x shadow generations dark beginnings

[meager jolt]

Thank you!

[sacred lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZK8bse3Quo

[plush plover]

peak beginnings

[patent heath]

Do you think going to Hunter's March early game in one mask was a dumb move?

[plush plover]

Hunters march is early game

[sacred lion]

hunters march is a beginners trap

[opaque sigil]

Well they probably specifically wanted to make the first void enemies especially hard to deal with but it’s an annoying way to do it

[sacred lion]

just wait till you get sprint then go in

[plush plover]

unless you mean pre swift step

[patent heath]

Well. Right after getting Float, I mean.

[sacred lion]

oh yeah and drifters cloak

forgot there are airstreams in hunters march

[patent heath]

I mean. To be honest, those Underwork enemies are kinda annoying as is anyway.

[sacred lion]

why are there underworkers?????? in cog core???????????????

[plush plover]

early hunters march is always a peak thing, 1 mask might be a bit silly to do though

[patent heath]

They're just workers.

[sacred lion]

why would they have workers in the cogwork core though

they already have robots doing maintenance

[patent heath]

1 mask is fun.
When you're not doing stupid ass decisions.

[sacred lion]

the cogwork core is almost entirely self sustaining

[patent heath]

Yeah, that's true.

[sacred lion]

hell you can see robots doing maintenance in that one hallway in choral chambers underneath cog core

with the gears and the tiny fly enemies

[opaque sigil]

the damage caused by the act change goes a bit beyond routine maintenance but yes it's a handwave that they're there

[sacred lion]

maybe its to make you see just how bad the situation is

[fiery burrow]

They were trying to think of the most annoying enemies to add to the 4 mask gauntlet

[opaque sigil]

it is just supposed to kill you

[patent heath]

Honestly, they could have added the Cogwork enemies. Like, two of those shield robots for wave 1 and then a Cogwork Clapper for wave 2.

[exotic dome]

act 3 gauntlets are bs

[sacred lion]

I feel like act 3 was a biiiiit rushed

dont get me wrong its still great and had lots of effort put into it

[ornate perch]

They went when The Cradle’s collapse began

[sacred lion]

just rushed compared to the rest of the game

[light swan]

Y is still the 3rd best 9s boss by far

[opaque sigil]

they reduce your health remove your crest (if you were using one other than hunters) erase any tools you're used to then toss you in with some threatening enemies that have extra health and new moves you haven't seen that can also sap your silk to preven you from healing like it's just meant to be a harsh welcome to the act

[sacred lion]

theres all these itty bitty flaws sprinkled into act 3 that just makes it feel lower effort

[ornate perch]

The shortest act in the game imo

Still the whole map redesign was goated

[sacred lion]

Like for one imo theres so many flaws surrounding nyleth

[patent heath]

Oh yeah, are Underwork enemies alive but Haunted or are they like the Choir, brought back to life via the Haunting?

[ornate perch]

F l i n t s l a t e
A b u s e

[sacred lion]

first off the only bench near her is the underworks bench meaning every time you want to change your loadout after fighting ehr you have to pay 15 rosaries

[ornate perch]

Best strat imo

[opaque sigil]

seem alive but haunted

[sacred lion]

i used beast crest and flintslate in my latest run yea

[graceful oyster]

For real

[patent heath]

Stuck in purgatory forever.

[opaque sigil]

They toiled incessantly for the Citadel, their shells bent and greyed, and now the kingdom's curse means not even death can relieve them.

[sacred lion]

second the boss is just kind of annoying and feels a bit less developed compared to the rest of the old hearts but thats just me

and finally they shoved it in the grand gate for whatever reason which is like the most obscure location in the game when they couldve just put a silk soar entrance at the top of shellwood

[patent heath]

Atleast the Choir died before being brought back to life.
Not like they were the ones who needed the break or anything.

[fiery burrow]

2 voided choir clappers

[sacred lion]

karmelita has a similar issue

[fiery burrow]

Choir also needed a break tbf

[ornate perch]

Choir clapper inside High halls simple key room

[fiery burrow]

No one is having a great time in the Citadel

[ornate perch]

Absolute hell

[sacred lion]

they tuck the marker all the way at the end of far fields when to get to her you need to go through hunters march

like dawgggg

[opaque sigil]

the gourmand:

[sacred lion]

also this is unrelated but why is verdania next to greymoor of all places it just feels strange

[ornate perch]

Further fields are better than far fields imo

[sacred lion]

in my opinion they shouldve put verdania next to wormways and moss grotto

[fiery burrow]

binging with babish please recreate the great taste of pharloom 🙏

[sacred lion]

also also unrelated but this is a perfect space to put an area in a dlc

[exotic cedar]

😋

[graceful oyster]

That's where it was supposed to be

[fiery burrow]

look at the jello

[ornate perch]

Because it’s dry, before Bilewater became fucked the rain didn’t ruin at all Graymoor. Maybe before The Citadel Graymoor was like Verdania?

[opaque sigil]

forgehome or something

[sacred lion]

no cause forgehome is in the citadel

according to forge daughter

[fiery burrow]

huh

[sacred lion]

iirc

lemme reread the dialogue

[fiery burrow]

Deep Docks coolest atmosphere in the game ngl

Especially when the music cuts out

[opaque sigil]

the citadel contracted her from forgehome that doesn't mean forgehome is in the citadel just that she was summoned on their orders

[opaque sigil]

I like mt fay but I'm partial to that sort of area

[exotic dome]

i like red coral gorge and skarrsia they look amazing

[opaque sigil]

and the top of the slab with the rooms that have inside and outside parts

[potent vessel]

whiteward has the best atompshere

[lavish apex]

mount fay atmosphere is sick

[potent vessel]

and the slab

[exotic dome]

whiteward is really underrated

[sacred lion]

nevermind its not specified where forgehome is

[lavish apex]

the slope is so pretty

[ornate perch]

I like Verdania’s, the nature and the music is so good

[fiery burrow]

Mount Fay should start with an abandoned corporate city

[ornate perch]

WeaveNest

[potent vessel]

they should put a mcdonalds on mt fay

[opaque sigil]

I like whiteward but it should've been a little bit bigger or a little bit smaller

[sacred lion]

mount fay shouldve had a shortcut to sands of karak imo

and like you wouldve had to open a breakable wall from either side to use it

[fiery burrow]

Its very disconnected from other areas

[sacred lion]

or hell maybe they couldve put the shortcut in the slab

[fiery burrow]

But sitting next to the fire while you prepare yourself for the next climb is a vibe fr

[sacred lion]

after all the bottom of the slab has sands of karak parts

[ornate perch]

I feel like moist cold and dry heat right next to each other separated by a room would be weird

But not a bad idea either

[fiery burrow]

Voltnest could pull it off

[sacred lion]

eyah just like put a shortcut here

[fiery burrow]

Little intermediate area

[sacred lion]

and make it only accessible if both sides are opened

[sacred lion]

blasted steps and shellwood are right next to eachother

[ornate perch]

It could be an alt route to Liquid Lacquer

[ornate perch]

Nvm you’re right

[sacred lion]

one of them is full of harsh winds and sand and the other is a dense marshy forest

the marrow and moss grotto are also right next to each other

humid moss vs harsh heat

[opaque sigil]

somehow karak managed to dry up despite being surrounded on almost every side by water

[sacred lion]

pretty sure its dry because the citadel siphoned all their water

its definitely implied that its dry because of the citadel

[ornate perch]

They got flushed

[opaque sigil]

khann if he had just thought to dig up a little bit

[fiery burrow]

Thirsty ballador

[exotic dome]

i feel like this is intended for mount fay

[sacred lion]

yeah thats why the shortcut should go in the slab

after all theres a piece of the sands of karak environment at the bottom of the slab

[exotic dome]

it feels like an edge of a kingdom... like some kind of kingdom's edge...

[lavish apex]

mount fay is very fun platforming

[sacred lion]

would make that little area more useful too besides just finding a weaver effigy

[lavish apex]

probably a hot take for this chat

[sacred lion]

I hope they hide a path of pain somewhere in mount fay in a dlc

[fiery burrow]

I agree

[lavish apex]

since there are so many clawline complainers

[sacred lion]

or another area it doesnt rlly matter

[lavish apex]

i like clawline it's sick

[ornate perch]

Mr mushroom su- /j

[sacred lion]

i just want something like path of pain but harder

[idle sparrow]

SEA OF SORROW IN 4 DAYS

https://tenor.com/view/meme-shocked-surprised-relief-joy-gif-12288353543161563708

[sacred lion]

surface climb doesnt count cause its the same thing of grapple + double jump over and over and over

[opaque sigil]

are they in the room with us

[sacred lion]

too repetitive

[exotic dome]

clawline spam allegations are kinda true but i still like it

[lavish apex]

grynne is typing so yes

[tight meadow]

where we get this from

[ornate perch]

I like Clawline but I hate it drains silk

[fiery burrow]

Clawline hate so forced

But SS should have shairpin

[exotic dome]

clawline is the coolest ability

[lavish apex]

hairpin is peak this is true

[leaden delta]

clawline

[lavish apex]

there's another one

[tight meadow]

Claw line is op but using silk mid fight for no dmg ain't worth imo

[sacred lion]

what if silk snippers could cut your harpoon in half and then you would just lose your needle forever

[opaque sigil]

no that's shadow of the simurgh

[exotic dome]

yea i agree and it's not the path of pain of silksong lmao, people were crazy in the first week

[sacred lion]

defenseless hornet

[leaden delta]

can that shit get nerfed can tc please make it only usable once in the sky and refreshable they’re shooting themselves in the foot

[graceful oyster]

Mt Fay is fun but it's because it was built for clawline and you kinda just got it

But the problem lies in that if you try to build a platforming section that doesn't use clawline and is still fun, you can't. Because clawline is it. And it's boring/one-sided.

[meager jolt]

People complain about Clawline? It's the coolest tho (for platforming)

[sacred lion]

clawline is good

[tight meadow]

?

[sacred lion]

I think itd be cool if silksong had a vine swing ability

[fiery burrow]

Mt Fay has the slopes and those are fun

There are also fun non clawline platforming sections idk

[exotic dome]

anyways cogwork parkour is the best one

[leaden delta]

YESSS YESSSS

[sacred lion]

or like
What if there were some things you could harpoon into and theyd spin you around them and youd have to get off at the right time

[tight meadow]

I hope we get surfing

[ornate perch]

Grapple hook for swinging in the clawline rings

[leaden delta]

exactlyyyyyyyy

[sacred lion]

to fling off into that direction

[tight meadow]

Silkway surfers

[lavish apex]

i still don't agree with that

[sacred lion]

could make for good secrets too

[leaden delta]

This is my main issue with clawline in this game for platforming

[graceful oyster]

Hairpin is the real peak

[leaden delta]

I have experienced this. clawline is platforming op as fuck tc needs some way to limit it I feel like to make interesting platforming

[sacred lion]

clawline is goated for combat its just a free double hit

[tight meadow]

Claw line circles being in far fields just pisses me off

[meager jolt]

Costs Silk, not free

[exotic dome]

would hairpin work in silksong

[tight meadow]

They ain't even useful (except for the one for the mask shard)

[opaque sigil]

Silksong isn’t so platforming focused that clawline being shallow is a problem

[meager jolt]

Nothing in this world is free

[sacred lion]

if you hit an enemy you just get that silk back so basically free

[fiery burrow]

MIO platforming go

[exotic dome]

why are we comparing different game abilities

[meager jolt]

If

[graceful oyster]

No it's not a problem per se, it's just that clawline can't go anywhere. It's a pretty lame function.

[sacred lion]

yeah but im talking about clawline for combat which means youre exclusively hitting an enemy so

[fiery burrow]

Mio glaze

[graceful oyster]

It's way too strong and shallow

[fiery burrow]

Silksong is fine but we need to get our quota in fr

[lavish apex]

do you understand what i was talking about now tammo

[graceful oyster]

Yikes that was close

[meager jolt]

One can miss

[sacred lion]

anyway blablabla team cherry add a shortcut between the slab and karak in sea of sorrow and my life is yours

[distant mesa]

@grim tide last judge for me, with 6 days

[sacred lion]

then maybe you just gotta Get Better

[slender juniper]

The two sides of #sk-discussion

[meager jolt]

True...

[graceful oyster]

Not true, there's the offtopic-er side

[grim tide]

I was thinking of the true ending boss

[fiery burrow]

Anyway add more chases to silksong for sprint applications fr

[opaque sigil]

larping and memes

[slender juniper]

Mio slop side

[exotic dome]

the game just lacks difficult platforming i don't think it's because of clawline. like cogwork parkour was easy but better since you don't have to use clawline in most cases, you can pogo the cogwheels. i'll wait for more parkour sections in dlcs

[exotic dome]

:stupid_yi:

[distant mesa]

Nope
I would not deny her being unfair tho

Tho on replay I 3rd tried that

[grim tide]

Not unfair, just really strong

[sacred lion]

this is not a horror game bro

[graceful oyster]

Did you know that clawline completely invalidates the entire flow of cogwork core

[sacred lion]

hornet would never run away from something its just not in her character

[graceful oyster]

You can do whatever you want in there

[lavish apex]

it's not clawline's fault that tc decided to put the same jump 10 times in a row in surface climb

[sacred lion]

she is a hunter. its in her nature to fight back, not flee

[opaque sigil]

I mean it sorta is

[graceful cairn]

holy shit what is this peak

[exotic dome]

how and why

[lavish apex]

they didn't have to do that

[opaque sigil]

can you really totally divorce the ability from what they do with it

[fiery burrow]

I mean like the lava stuff

[leaden delta]

Whyyy am I getting x’d i MAP this game i make platforming shit! clawline is overcentralizing as fuck!

[sacred lion]

yeah no surface climb is repetitive and thats why i want a proper path of pain in silksong

[meager jolt]

Landslide

[exotic dome]

it's sooo boring

[grim tide]

Yeah but it could be not a litteral chase, like the "abyss escape sequence"

[sacred lion]

i feel like if they do too many lava escapes itd get redundant

we already have enough theyre fine

[graceful oyster]

Long distance pogo - check
Airstall - check
Sustainability - check

[fiery burrow]

doesn't need to be lava specifically but imo it would be cool

[exotic dome]

people were hyping up like it's the path of pain of silksong and i never expected something like this

[fiery burrow]

Also Hornet doesn't need to be a static character she can run from some enemies cmon

[rose forge]

im burning

[grim tide]

Other things, like when you get ||king's brand|| in hk

[rose forge]

WRONG SERVSR AGGIN

[opaque sigil]

(an established trait in hk with hunter)

[rose forge]

sorry twins

[leaden delta]

It quite literally is. or at least part of it

[odd hull]

tbf people were also talking about Hunter's March as pop 2

[exotic dome]

i don't think most people can pogo everything

[meager jolt]

You gotta be kidding me

[sacred lion]

ok but why

[fiery burrow]

i should've taken more mio platforming videos on my challenge run that was so fun

[odd hull]

Not really

[graceful oyster]

It's not about most people it's about underlying design issues

[lavish apex]

i don't get how

[exotic dome]

i don't get why it's a problem

[sacred lion]

hornet being chased by an enemy would only really work if its like a huge enemy that cant be taken down through normal means

[fiery burrow]

I mean ultimately the main thing is for gameplay

[distant mesa]

Check dm for a clip that deffinetely is unfair (will send asap)
Its quite funny to send to people who call the boss fair (she mostly is)

[fiery burrow]

You could come up with a lotta reasons for why she might run from something

[fiery burrow]

Like this yeah

[meager jolt]

Either people can't platform in the platformer, or...or...well, idk, I'm still waiting for a PoP in Silksong

[opaque sigil]

it'll just be clawline spam

[sacred lion]

how do you guys think underwater sections will be handled in sea of sorrow

[graceful oyster]

Therin lies the issue

[odd hull]

I wanted something like.. Ender Lilies

[meager jolt]

Like Maridia in Super Metroid

[fiery burrow]

Well White Palace/PoP relied a lot on timing too

[graceful oyster]

Silksong can only do clawline spam because once clawline is available it is all it can work around

[sacred lion]

will you
a. be able to swim underwater
b. move the submarine underwater
c. not actually move in water and you just walk around in underwater caves, and the submarine parts are cutscenes
d. hornet drowns and dies

[fiery burrow]

Limit Silk like Celeste Core

[opaque sigil]

I think where you're placing value doesn't really make a ton of sense for the game, it's not a platforming focused game the tools don't have to be built for that

[grim tide]

PoP is litteraly dlc material, maybe wait for a bit

[exotic cedar]

d would be the best

[fiery burrow]

That's what I'm doing aye

[sacred lion]

except silksong is platforming focused

[lavish apex]

i think there is absolutely room to make platforming that isn't focused on clawline

[odd hull]

TC probably going with c because they're cowards

[graceful oyster]

I know, that's why as far as the confines of the game goes this isn't a big deal.

[sacred lion]

thats like a third of the game

[meager jolt]

Probably c, but hoping a or b

[sacred lion]

its split between exploration, combat, and platforming

[exotic dome]

we just can't know that everything is gonna be clawline spam i just disagree with this

[sacred lion]

thats the core three

[opaque sigil]

it really isn't

[sacred lion]

same

[graceful oyster]

But genuinely if they just made it so clawline didn't pull you forward if you didn't contact something that would solve a lot of problems

[opaque sigil]

sure

[sacred lion]

how bro thatd suck

[slender juniper]

•••---••• tomorrow

[fiery burrow]

there's still time for a patch fr

[sacred lion]

no more using clawline to speed yourself up in straightaways

[opaque sigil]

it would make more sense than grappling onto air

[sacred lion]

no more using clawline to dodge above enemies

[fiery burrow]

She's grappling onto Silk's invisible hair

[opaque sigil]

you have a dash

[sacred lion]

lets be honest is anything in silksong that realistic

[fiery burrow]

Like Little Weaver strings

[sacred lion]

sometimes you can give up realism for fun

[lavish apex]

i think that would suck

[sacred lion]

what if you already used your dash

[opaque sigil]

and the way clawline works isn't even that fun

[fiery burrow]

I played Silksong for the gritty fantasy setting

[sacred lion]

midair dash can only be done once but midair harpoons are infinite

[opaque sigil]

constraints are important

[meager jolt]

You know we're talking about a Team Cherry game here?

[lavish apex]

making it refresh based would be fine

[opaque sigil]

that would be a lot better too

[sacred lion]

idk why we hating on clawline bruh i looove clawline

[blazing dragon]

Clawline is the most fun ability in the game
Why do you want to nerf it

[fiery burrow]

When are you ever using infinite midair harpoons man

[sacred lion]

ive used it my fair share of times

[lavish apex]

i don't really see how it not being refresh based hurts the design though

[opaque sigil]

clawline is fine for combat but it's really bad for platforming it could simply be better suited for more purposes

[lavish apex]

i have yet to see a good example of why that's the case

[fiery burrow]

Yeah same

[sacred lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220348451057963049/1490478289662251139/attachment.gif

[leaden delta]

Ignoring the fact yes it is tc’s fault for not doing fucking anything, clawline makes it so that more difficult jumps HAVE to include clawline in some way, because it’s so busted platforming wise

[fiery burrow]

I think not making it move you forward in the air is the strat

[lavish apex]

i didn't say that's not tc's fault

[sacred lion]

i find clawline's inclusion in platforming challenges to be perfectly fine

[lavish apex]

that area's design sucking ass is tc's fault

[sacred lion]

what area

[lavish apex]

but it's because of how they use clawline in it

not because of the mechanic itself

[sacred lion]

surface climb?

[lavish apex]

yes

[opaque sigil]

unless a platforming section is all narrow hallways lined with spikes it's always going to be clawline spam

[sacred lion]

i mean the whole thing of grapple + double jump isnt that bad its just that its like the entire platforming challenge

its repetitive

[fiery burrow]

introduce jellyfishes and use them for every platform challenge

[meager jolt]

Narrow hallways lined with spikes sounds perfect for Clawline unless it's vertical

[leaden delta]

and again I like. I do platforming stuff in this game I map

[sacred lion]

i loooove silksongs platforming its so satisfying

[fiery burrow]

diagonal pogos are fun

[leaden delta]

clawline is such an issue. Thankfully I get methods to limit clawline usage thank you comet for saving decomaster

[opaque sigil]

silksong's platforming is pretty rudimentary but doesn't really overstay its welcome because the actual platforming sections are pretty simple

[sacred lion]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-fun-animal-360-cool-gif-13986478796867450545

[lavish apex]

honestly at its core i think i find it more fun than mio's just because the flow is so good

[graceful oyster]

I have to take you out back

[lavish apex]

although mio platforming is definitely better at crafting interesting challenges

[stark prism]

the beasts pride did not go unpunished

[sacred lion]

i love silksongs platforming bro its so peak

[fiery burrow]

Grynne how do I get to the ultra secret scrapped mio maps

[graceful oyster]

Are you on steam? Can you mod?

[lavish apex]

my problem with mio platforming is because of how energy works, abilities uses can't just flow together smoothly

[neat python]

Gustave

[fiery burrow]

Yea

[lavish apex]

everything has to be interrupted by a hit to restore it

[fiery burrow]

I'm tired

[graceful oyster]

Do you have modding figured out or would you need to set up the whole deal?

[lavish apex]

if you hairpin you can't just immediately move into striders or vice versa

[graceful oyster]

Easiest way to get there rn is noclip

[fiery burrow]

I'd have to set it up

[exotic dome]

mio is focused on platforming

[lavish apex]

it is

[fiery burrow]

dodge is Mio's clawline but y'all not ready for that conversation

[lavish apex]

and like i said it's better at making interesting challenges out of what it has

but it doesn't feel as good to me

[sacred lion]

yeah they should put an area in this gap

in dlc

[exotic dome]

forgehome

[slender juniper]

The deep nest...wait that already exists

[slender juniper]

What's thT

[patent heath]

The city.......

[graceful oyster]

I have a modding package zipped up that I have helped other people with to expedite the modding process since it is is finnicky, comes with freecam, noclip, and boss refights but it's easy to enable/disable each one
Lmk if you're interested

[sacred lion]

i just dont know what theyd put because literally everything at this height level is all lava

the marrow... deep docks... far fields...

[fiery burrow]

yea sure

[sacred lion]

lava lava lava lava

[exotic dome]

weavenest andrew

[lavish apex]

i've said before too but i think in the context of platforming and traversal not having energy recharge instantly on the ground is ever so slightly annoying as well

in combat if you had that it would make hairpin stupidly broken though so

tradeoffs

[graceful oyster]

DMs incoming

[slender juniper]

Weavenest Amazon

[fiery burrow]

That's why you use shairpin

[sacred lion]

i dont think forgehome would be big enough for that whole space

what if they put that lion village thing thats supposed to be implemented eventually

[magic narwhal]

How tf do you do speed completion in this game damn

[sacred lion]

actually thatd probably be too small too wouldnt it

[errant ingot]

the city of steel

[tight viper]

There already is an area there though, tf?

[sacred lion]

the city of steel is not inside pharloom

[magic narwhal]

I'm probably gonna be over by like an hour or 2

[sacred lion]

garfields

[lavish apex]

i was thining maybe giving each ability its own section of the energy bar could be cool as a solution to that but idk

[slender juniper]

That's sea of sorrow

[magic narwhal]

Is that a fucking hotdog on the map lol

[lavish apex]

the game is obviously designed well around the mechanic

[tight viper]

That’s always the first thing people point out lol

[lavish apex]

but it's just slightly annoying to me

[sacred lion]

i do not think thats a lion

[tight viper]

Or I guess Ass got pointed out first once as well, I’m proud of both

[errant ingot]

why is there oasis by mt fay

[sacred lion]

i think rune rage is good specifically for gauntlets

[slender juniper]

Yeah they can't actually put a LION in the game

[sacred lion]

besides that other skills ar ebetter

[slender juniper]

[exotic cedar]

Why didn't you change the abyss' name?

[tight viper]

Because that’s where the Last Oasis is

[rough anvil]

Its high in my tierlist because its tuff as FUCK i dont csre about dmg if its just THAT cool

[exotic dome]

weavernest atla

[sacred lion]

they put crows in the game and called them crawbugs why cant they put lions and call them some other fictional name

[sacred lion]

true

[exotic cedar]

Yeah it's the same

[slender juniper]

Because lions are way too big and of the bugs genre

[exotic dome]

rune rage is good at every rainy tuesday at 3:17 pm

[fiery burrow]

me on my first playthrough 😔

[errant ingot]

why is reaper and hunter 2 lower than curse

[slender juniper]

Reaper deserves hunter slander isn't good

[rough anvil]

They suck in playstyle while cursed is similar enough to my main so its higher

[sacred lion]

birds are much larger than bugs and even eat them but craws are literally smaller than hornet

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[languid plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1458886625139494934/1493303853540573204/attachment.gif

[sacred lion]

it does not need to be realistic

[tight viper]

That change has grown on me since I first posted this lol, someone found it hilarious and that made me smile

[slender juniper]

Nah

Barnacle bay is the lion village

[tight viper]

It’s such a small change but it’s perfect given what it is

[languid plaza]

Why is frito upside down

[errant ingot]

y u hate reaper

[sacred lion]

ok dawg

[exotic dome]

why are there lions in my bug game

[naive jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-hollow-knight-cute-gif-7692674196895968263

[tight viper]

I am not upside down, I am Frito

[languid plaza]

Why is frito right side up

[exotic dome]

the gap for the first 2 achievements in ns is crazy

[slender juniper]

Why is Frito a fattas conductor

[exotic cedar]

Frito's profile picture actually shows how the silksong godhome unravelled fight will work

[exotic dome]

flying unraveled

[slender juniper]

Id actually kms

[normal bramble]

Does anyone have a stray image of gms being pulled down into the abyss?

[sacred lion]

i find it weird how they say pilgrims start their journey at bone bottom but like where do they come from before bone bottom

[slender juniper]

Check Google

[errant ingot]

they spawn

[slender juniper]

YouTube snared silk ending and screenshot

[normal bramble]

Tried but there’s no obviously clear image, could go find a video of it ig tho

[sacred lion]

do the pilgrims get lab grown in the citadel and then tossed down the chasm into bone bottom

[idle sparrow]

Trust me

[sacred lion]

hornet can survive that fall why cant the pilgrims right guys

[idle sparrow]

Your boy never lies

On pilby’s soul

[slender juniper]

Hornet is half spider half god

Also plot armor

[exotic dome]

what if silksong had fall damage

[sacred lion]

if she can die by grazing her arm on a hair strand from a mossgrub then her legs are not resistant to breaking

but here we are

[normal bramble]

Got one, time to try drawing it

[slender juniper]

She can die by touching soft ass silk lace

[crimson timber]

Which achievements

[slender juniper]

That's why lacenet can't work they'd touch and both get contact damage

[exotic dome]

defeat ||baichang||
defeat the first boss

[potent vessel]

ig people rage quit

[crimson timber]

This is silksong discussion this is so off topic

[tight meadow]

Lace can trigger it

[light swan]

NINE SOLS FINAL BOSS SPOILERS
@vale whale footage of me spamming parry button against final boss

[exotic dome]

i literally said ns

[tight meadow]

Or else when hornet grabs her in act 3 she'd take dmg

[slender juniper]

Can she?

[crimson timber]

Oh

[potent vessel]

man sometimes this channel gets so off topic youd forget we in a hk server

[light swan]

sorry for the bad gameplay i just came back from 9s today lol

[normal bramble]

Fact : this is why she takes 2x contact damage in LL, not cause of the void

[light swan]

and im used to earlygame 9s since thats what ive been playing this morning so i didnt do anything UC related

i forgot i even had a double jump 😭

[tight meadow]

What are the worst HK ships

Karmegurr

[sacred lion]

she gets one mask of damage from touching these fucks but falling from blasted steps to moss grotto gives her nary a scratch

[light swan]

second mother

[potent vessel]

WHO is shipping this

[tight meadow]

The knet

[opaque sigil]

you start the game badly wounded

[tight meadow]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[crimson timber]

Idk also I beat bilewater

[sacred lion]

gurr would literally kill her and hang her on his wall like a fuckin trophy

[quartz cave]

Im gonna be real rn

[potent vessel]

gurr aint doing shit to prime karm

[exotic dome]

its period cramps

[tight meadow]

Grold Bug

[quartz cave]

I dont really enjoy finding bosses in mio

At least for now

[light swan]

how come

[lavish apex]

well yeah there's no fall damage in the game

[sacred lion]

ok but whats the logic here bro

[crimson timber]

Also when I try pogoing an enemy it’s collisions just don’t work why is that

[slender juniper]

So all bosses can trigger their contact damage on and of?

[tight meadow]

@potent vessel hornsong

[potent vessel]

what does that mean

[tight meadow]

Yeah I think it depends on if they want to hurt her or not

[quartz cave]

They feel more like a chore than something fun to do i dont know if its the bosses, the combat, or that i dont have enough mods yet but its kinda lame

[sacred lion]

lightly grazing a slow ass coral crawler hurts her but falling like half of pharloom does nothing

[tight meadow]

Hornet + The silksong

[slender juniper]

Mf that's such bullshit turn contact damage of

[sacred lion]

contact damage sucks

[potent vessel]

🥶

[empty solstice]

bug sized
maximum air velocity doesn't damage bugs
Like how you can drop an ant off a sky scraper and it will be fine

[graceful oyster]

Why is k-cup coffee so ass

[tight meadow]

The knigtnet

[exotic dome]

do you find the bosses unfun or the way of finding them unfun

[potent vessel]

oh yea i forgot about this

[light swan]

interesting

[sacred lion]

i honestly dont believe the hk world is bug sized

[quartz cave]

The bosses themselves

[empty solstice]

Everything is bug.
Bug sized.

[opaque sigil]

lack of freshness maybe

[potent vessel]

i do

[sacred lion]

it feels way too grandiose to be that small

[potent vessel]

start thinking smaller

[slim thorn]

we need to throw karmelita from the top of blasteps down to moss grotto to confirm this

[quartz cave]

A lot of them simply arent that enjoyable to fight and it also often feel like theres no reward to them

[tight meadow]

They use needles and nails for combat

[light swan]

i mean i cant really speak because i’m way too biased towards the combat

[potent vessel]

small needle

[empty solstice]

I second this

[light swan]

i feel like there’s realistically 1 that doesnt have a satisfying reward

[opaque sigil]

mio combat gets better the bolder you get with abilities and mods

[quartz gulch]

But what kind of bug? The bugs in Helldivers are very big for example. I go to sleep now, don't bother responding if you're looking for a discussion.

[empty solstice]

it's all in some australian's backyard dw abt it

[quartz cave]

Hopefully but so far i still dont have nearly enough mods nor space so

[exotic dome]

i agree that a good portion of them arent really interesting, but they are not bad imo (except for 2). you can always explore if you don't have many components or mods

[sacred lion]

if it really is bug sized why are blades of grass not as big as two story buildings from hornet's perspective

[empty solstice]

Bye bye john helldiver nighty night
May general brash bless your dreams

[quartz gulch]

They're somewhat human sized, as shown by the graph of John Hollow Knight and the Knight.

[sacred lion]

you cant really scale the hollow knight world to ours because its all fantasy

[strong sand]

Hasn't it been discussed before that they can't be bug sized off of hornets needle range?

[empty solstice]

moss

[quartz gulch]

I never played Helldivers so I don't get the reference, but bye.

[empty solstice]

Oh😔

[sacred lion]

except we already know what moss looks like in the hollow knight world and it looks like moss not blades of grass

[sacred lion]

yea

[quartz cave]

I have quite a few map markers and placed to revisit whenever i get something new but at least at the point of the game im at theres not much to find

[quartz gulch]

I'll do when I upgrade my console to the Steam Square block thing, but for now I can't do due to hardware limitations. I really gotta go sleep though.

[strong sand]

We've seen grass in the world and while it's big it's not massive

[quartz cave]

Last i did was get the breath and find the snowman

[sacred lion]

i think the hollow knight world makes much more sense logically if theyre human sized and all the "tininess" stuff is just an aesthetic choice cause theyre bugs

[empty solstice]

Maybe australian grass is really short.
I haven't been to australia.
Everythis is underground after all, they get no sunlight. That's a whole different discussion.
How do plants work in silksong

[strong sand]

It would make sense to me if they're all quite short but not big sized,something like hornet being around 5ft and the ghost at like 3-4ft

[light swan]

idk if i’m good at metroidvanias or smth but never have i been like “idk where to go”

[sacred lion]

like itd be weird for some guys backyard to have a fuckin abyss like a few layers underneath full of darkness that consumes all things

[light swan]

ik wrinkled towel felt that a couple times on blasphemous 2

[sacred lion]

yes

[quartz cave]

I have only been like that with this game once tbh, and its because the game told me i had visited a place i hadnt

[fiery burrow]

what

[empty solstice]

Well then who is making those giant scissors the guys in greymoor use

[opaque sigil]

the map can be a little finnicky sometimes

[empty solstice]

Seems like a waste of bug metal

[opaque sigil]

if you've been in a room but not fully completed the room or whatever

[strong sand]

I severely underestimated how much easier the game is on a second playthrough,I got sb on my first attempt and I'm consistently getting to 3rd phase of gms with curse(didn't get the ending in my first run)

[normal sedge]

does anyone think that a crest that lets you heal with a minimum of 3 silk to heal 1 mask and stacks every 3 silk is good

[neat python]

What game

[strong sand]

I mean they're more like shears and irl shears are pretty big

[sacred lion]

well why do they use pins to fight and not swords

[empty solstice]

Okay but are they you sized big

[sacred lion]

seems a bit inefficient

[opaque sigil]

pins are swords

[neat python]

What game?

[quartz cave]

error that doesnt happen in prince of persia the lost crown btw

[sacred lion]

yeah but theyre less comfortable to use than a sword

and less versatile

[empty solstice]

Clearly pharloomian blacksmiths haven't invented hilts

[opaque sigil]

well that also has the genuinely really great memory system

[sacred lion]

you cant really strike someone from the side with a pin because only the tip of it should be sharp

[quartz cave]

Thats also really peak
Shitslop so shouldve had that

[sacred lion]

but lace just fuckin does it anyway cause she's cool like that

[hybrid flare]

????

[strong sand]

Silksong lol,I've turned what was around a 100 hour playthrough on my first go to about 30 hours with most of act 2 completed rn

[opaque sigil]

ss eh mio probably should've had it tho lol

[hybrid flare]

Pins are literally the pinnacle of metalworking fym

[quartz cave]

Memory system 🔛 🔝

[sacred lion]

but what im trying to say is the scissors and the needles and stuff is all an aesthetic choice

[brave geyser]

Make it 15

[hybrid flare]

"Rapiers can't cut" argument what the fuck is this

[neat python]

🔥

[hybrid flare]

a nimble and sharp pin is better than an unwieldy big heavy stick

[quartz cave]

Ok maybe youre right for ss but for sure mio could use it bad

[hybrid flare]

nails cant even cut

[neat python]

What? Antspur rapier?

[opaque sigil]

mio it would make a lot of sense to have it

[strong sand]

I prolly could if I ignore all side content but I also wanted an act 2 save for sea of sorrow to see the differences if it's available in act 2

[light swan]

also @orchid spruce @graceful oyster feel like y’all should see this

[brave geyser]

silksong is a fun game to route and speedrun in general except maybe 100% and getting to act 3 tho

[hybrid flare]

why did you namedrop a random elden ring rapier

[light swan]

it’s not the most optimal way to play but i dont like that it’s an option

[hybrid flare]

the internal damage says everything

[light swan]

parries are supposed to be things youre required to time

[strong sand]

Yeah,I think my biggest concerns in a low percent run would be lace 2 and trobbio but that's not impossible if I route some good tools

[light swan]

and yet i can’t die

[hybrid flare]

No, that doesnt diminish eigong's status as the best metroidvania boss

[hybrid flare]

at one point you will

[light swan]

it doesn’t, im talking about the combat system itself

[hybrid flare]

if you dont learn the boss

[neat python]

I dont know, but have a good day bro

[hybrid flare]

if you plan on hitting the boss

[light swan]

she’s my 2nd favorite boss of all time

[exotic dome]

play sekiro

[hybrid flare]

Same

[vale whale]

youre

dodging attacks

[hybrid flare]

Only isshin mogs eigong mechanically but eigong mogs in overalls

[light swan]

im spamming the parry button whenever im parrying

to show you that spamming is a valid option

[vale whale]

obviously you can survive having max internal damage if you can dodge😭😭😭

[strong sand]

Sekiro does sound fun but I've never really seen any gameplay of it

[brave geyser]

Lace 2 is fine you can just play her passively
Trobbio is based tho

[vale whale]

that's part of the parry spam punish dude

if you can dodge you dont get affected if you cant you get punished

[strong sand]

My issue with trobbio is the screen clutter,he's not so much hard as he's annoying to fight

[vale whale]

thats why so many no hitters use swift blade qi swipe etc

[hybrid flare]

"Oh yeah i can parryspam, b-but the moment i get to attack or miss it i fucking die!!! theres no punish!!!"

[green owl]

yall any advice im trying to find bile water

[exotic dome]

sekiro probably has the best combat system in any game. it's difficult tho

[light swan]

why are y’all even saying i can dodge

all im doinn is spamming parry

[brave geyser]

Check places which are similar to it

[hybrid flare]

Literally the easiest thing ever once you learn it

because you mostly dont have to deal with bullshit

[opaque sigil]

that's tough it's definitely up there tho

[plush plover]

🐴

[green owl]

Like sinners road i think?

[light swan]

onviously you still need to interact with the game

[graceful oyster]

Yeah I saw it and nothing seemed really out of the ordinary, just mid tier gameplay

[brave geyser]

@plush plover

[strong sand]

I do enjoy difficult games but I prefer them to have a story like silksong does,I dropped dark souls just cuz the atmosphere wasn't that fun to me and it was a tad clunky

[plush plover]

@brave geyser

[light swan]

but it’s still not desireable how i don’t need to time my parries

[hybrid flare]

dark souls is mediocre yeah

[exotic dome]

ofc it's easy once you learn it

[hybrid flare]

sekiro isn't a souls i dont consider it to be one

[exotic dome]

ds is mid

[hybrid flare]

the hardest boss was gyoubou and lady butterfly

[brave geyser]

@plush plover iam debating getting barbed bracelet and taking judge route is that a good idea

[light swan]

spamming is pretth much a shield of invincibility

[strong sand]

DS has a cool premise but I feel it tries a bit too hard to be dark and edgy lol

[opaque sigil]

play prince of persia if you spam parry there you'll get your teeth kicked in

[hybrid flare]

No, it just fails tremendously in execution

[light swan]

this was what i was talking about back then

[hybrid flare]

especially after a certain point

[strong sand]

I gotta boot up lies of p again but I was getting my ass kicked by like the first boss

[hybrid flare]

also its janky as hell

[plush plover]

yeah better than mist imo but you should still go and fight phantom aswell anyways

[light swan]

after i learned i could spam parry wirhout timing them things got so much easier

[hybrid flare]

they cooked really hard with the dlc though

[empty solstice]

just wait till you meet the elemental bosses

[hybrid flare]

Yeah but the thing is... you're not gonna have fun or get anywhere

[brave geyser]

Hitless act 1 max%

Possibly harder than any%

[hybrid flare]

if you try to attack anytime youre at one hp

[strong sand]

To me it just felt like I couldn't get out of the way in time

[broken seal]

Okay but low percent would mean no tools 😭

[opaque sigil]

sekiro has an interesting middle ground where you can use imperfect deflects up to a point

[light swan]

you saw how much i was attacking

[hybrid flare]

barely

[hybrid flare]

Posture breaking kinda has too low of a punish i feel like

[strong sand]

Not a true low percent lol just not going out of my way to collect everything like I have in my first and current runs

[light swan]

im confused was that not a lot of attacks

[empty solstice]

I haven't played in a while, but uhh, try to master the parry.
In lies of p the parry window is absolutely miniscule, but when you can get it down, it is so very satisfying
Or just spam throwables lmao

[hybrid flare]

for you, that is

[broken seal]

ah i see

[brave geyser]

Lowk i feel like whenever anyone talks about "in a low precent run" they probably mean like 60% (i beat the game with 60% bro)

[broken seal]

💔

[opaque sigil]

low percent typically means lowest possible %

[light swan]

at the end i stopped to show that it was possible over long amounts

[plush plover]

you build up so much internal damage you just end up dying in 1 hit anyways which ends up being the case for most people who choose to parry spam but i get how its a problem when youre at a point of being able to do bosses hitless anyway

[brave geyser]

True but it feels like if it isn't the usual people it probably just means typically bad stuff

[strong sand]

I think on my first silksong playthrough I beat it naturally with like 70-80%? Idk

Of course my first save has 100% now but ye

[exotic dome]

you can kill gms with less than 10% i think

[light swan]

how do you die in one hit when you can just spam the parry button and be invincible every time youre in the vague vicinity of an attack

[quartz roost]

I'd assume it'd be less than that

[light swan]

just let internal damage kill thats all i want 💔

[exotic dome]

wait i mistyped

[strong sand]

I'm a completionist so I went out of my way to get pretty much everything I could before finishing act 2 my first time around which also means I could enter act 3 immediately which was nice lol

[exotic dome]

less than 10%

[plush plover]

you can mess up and get caught by ||eigong tali|| for instance or some other stupid thing its not really crazy

[brave geyser]

@plush plover run's fucked

[lavish apex]

isn't it just damage then

[exotic dome]

yea same

[plush plover]

pack it up 💔

[light swan]

no because you can heal from it

[brave geyser]

I will 🥀

[lavish apex]

what's the condition for that

[exotic dome]

what happened 🥀

[light swan]

you can die from internal damage in ttgc cant you

[light swan]

wait it out

[graceful oyster]

If people make a mod that lets internal damage kill I would be installing it

[brave geyser]

I forgot moss mother isn't 100% consistent if you don't spam attack her 💔

[graceful oyster]

I think that is a change that would help 9 Sols

[brave geyser]

Iam so built for this

[strong sand]

I kinda hope sea of sorrow won't have voided enemies,it's bad enough that it doesn't really make sense for hornet to just go somewhere else during act 3 but I wasn't a huge fan of the voided gimmick

[plush plover]

turn internal dmg into karmic retribution from undertale

[light swan]

i remember being in an area with these really difficult attacks

[lavish apex]

idk it's been forever since i played torna

[plush plover]

i wish KR affected more fights in genocide than sans' fight its a really cool mechanic

[light swan]

i started spamming parry and talisman and made it through

if you’re not spamming parry arent you just waiting and perfect parrying?

[empty solstice]

I'm waiting for voided maggot throwers

[light swan]

assuming you’re not some high level player

[graceful oyster]

Also spamming parry isn't fun, so, you don't have to do it

[strong sand]

Void maggot water that also drains 2 masks a second

[empty solstice]

main ingredient in ass jim's cooking btw

[light swan]

ik it’s not but it’s easy and high reward

[strong sand]

Voided maggot pie my favorite

[exotic dome]

i think nine sols clicked for me after beating the first boss, i can't wait to play more

[drifting aspen]

gng how the freak to get double jump im stuck

[graceful oyster]

General Y?

[exotic dome]

yea

[empty solstice]

Mount fay

[light swan]

Y is so peak

[graceful oyster]

I should start calling him GennY

[exotic cedar]

General yi

[plush plover]

y was so goodddd raaahhh

[graceful oyster]

Jenny

[light swan]

genny

[graceful oyster]

Can we start calling him Genny

[strong sand]

I've had a friend recommend nine sols to me and it's on my wishlist but I haven't tried it,is it really that good?

[plush plover]

i will call him genny

[exotic cedar]

Its good

[plush plover]

NO!!!!!!!

[graceful oyster]

Yes, but it's not exactly for everyone so take it with a grain of salt and/or don't be afraid to use story mode

[exotic dome]

genny is really good i kinda struggled in first phase and cleared the second phase hitless once i got there

[strong sand]

I see

[plush plover]

i had the exact opposite problem cause i kept forgetting about my ||tai chi kick|| first time through 💀

[strong sand]

I do really like the aesthetic it's going for from the screenshots I've seen

[graceful oyster]

It's too early to give it a name

[exotic cedar]

I sucked so bad i spent so much time on gen y

[plush plover]

wait is it

i always picked it up before genny

[exotic dome]

the second miniboss legit took me 20 tries and i forgot that qi blast existed

💔

[strong sand]

Struggling with a millennial smh,I'll see myself out

[quartz roost]

TRY IT! IT'S AMAZING!!! Also very lore heavy and a lot of parrying

[plush plover]

baited him into the lasers instead of fighting him before ngl

[neat python]

Is 9 souls and mio the same thing

[opaque sigil]

no

[plush plover]

then i did double damage and i still didnt like him

[exotic dome]

yes

[plush plover]

oh my god how could i forget his dialogues

[light swan]

did you see the vid of me beating them

[plush plover]

fake ||lear|| fan im seeing myself out

[exotic dome]

9sols is mio 9 it's the last game of mio nineology

[plush plover]

[exotic dome]

yea

[foggy gulch]

why silksong hard

[green owl]

i found bile water

[exotic dome]

i don't think playing that way is fun

[foggy gulch]

when shaw?

[quartz roost]

This hurts my head lol

[quartz roost]

Because it make fun

[quartz roost]

Shaw final boss

[quartz roost]

Oooo, I like bilewater

[foggy gulch]

are we gonna fight the shaw?

[exotic dome]

and i havent found that charm i think so i was confused what was happening

[green owl]

i have seen vids to where people are immune to the bugs in the water how do i do that?

[empty solstice]

there's a wreath

somewhere

If you want it spoiled just google it

[green owl]

?

[distant mesa]

Or just multibinder (works as good way to deal with them)

[quartz roost]

No, you is shaw

[foggy gulch]

we beat the final boss with the shaw

[light swan]

i ageee lol

[quartz roost]

It's a tool from a different bile area. Do you want more information on it?

[light swan]

i dont think it’s a charm

[quartz roost]

Shaw is you, shaw is not helper

[exotic dome]

i don't know how this happens but i see this way of playing like spamming tools in architect crest. probably some people like it but i don't

[quartz roost]

Don't think what is a charm?

[light swan]

yea exactly

[foggy gulch]

if i am the shaw do i shaw?

[light swan]

and no one likes red tool spam

[light swan]

nine sols stuff

[empty solstice]

but
pale king build
Buzzsaw spam😔

[quartz roost]

Shaw has grown past shawing

[quartz roost]

I wasn't paying attention to the conversation. Anyways, which item?

[opaque sigil]

it's a little extra bad when one you have to sort of premeditate and one is just... a part of the core mechanic

[normal bramble]

Far from the best artist ever but gms mostly done

[quartz roost]

Hints why it's my least favorite crest lol. Nothing against it, just not for me

[graceful oyster]

I love how red tool spam is just univerally seen as cheesy unfun crappy gameplay lol

[wind mulch]

whatever ur talking about im in favour of whoever is arguing against sk being good

[normal bramble]

I have to shade her hair and do the background

[exotic dome]

it's really a cheese yeah

[light swan]

it’s not an item, i just said

i had no specific charms or items equipped

i was just spamming the parry button and staying alive

[midnight hedge]

hear me out: silksong>hollow knight in terms of fun

[normal bramble]

Agreed

[quartz roost]

I feel like the hair should drop a little more and be in thinner parts rather than thicker. It looks good though!

[midnight hedge]

chat im in the area after haunted bellhart but idk how to complete the challenge gauntlet thing

[empty solstice]

you kill everything!!!

[quartz roost]

Ooo, I should do a playthrough of no tools or anything of the sort!

[midnight hedge]

thx brodie

[violet canopy]

Guys which ones has the best rewards/ progress some quest?

[normal bramble]

I plan to make the strands of her hair more defined,also ya probably should drop it down some more, graciasssss

[normal bramble]

None of these matter for completion, liquid lacier is a 1 time job though so do that if you want

[empty solstice]

people actually do these?
I literally never touched them after getting the pale oil one

[exotic dome]

liquid lacquer gives you a memento that's optional, the others give a rosary reward

[normal bramble]

Imo it’s a fun one