sk-discussion

[unkempt steeple]

I only had a harder time with hk due to being a noob and also shade dash

[glass oracle]

Invincible pfp js makes it more confusing

[unkempt steeple]

yes well I'm a larper you see

[nova fox]

fr

[slender juniper]

Witch crest phantom let's go

[nova fox]

do you just larp to everything

[slender juniper]

Low-key peak

[lapis vortex]

Well, I can still clear p5. That's mostly because I played HK too much

[undone gate]

Karmalita is essentialy a harder Seth

[unkempt steeple]

is phantom mandatory pre-act 3? I've never seen anyone beat them in act 3

[undone gate]

Nope you can fight Phantom in Act 3

[nova fox]

but karmelita can't block like seth

[undone gate]

Karmalita does block so does Seth they both are pretty similar

[unkempt steeple]

I've only ever cleared p1, pretty much gave up on hk as soon as I beat radience

[lapis vortex]

Karmelita is also a much bigger target for pogos than seth

[lapis vortex]

Well, I really wanted to fight abs rad so I just kept going

[nova fox]

i havent even finished p1😭😭✌️

[brave geyser]

Doing hitless bosses with beast rn. Peak fiction

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[nova fox]

bcz of oro and mato's big ahh hitboxes

[lapis vortex]

Who's beast??

[unkempt steeple]

I atleast got all the bindings exept charms

[nova fox]

HOW TF DO YOU GET GIFS

[undone gate]

Beast is a crest

[lapis halo]

I Cheated My Way Through p1 to p5

[lapis vortex]

Ah...

[lapis halo]

I DONT KNOW

[brave geyser]

Crest

[unkempt steeple]

how

[nova fox]

debug

[lapis vortex]

I just never changed my crest

[lapis halo]

Invincibility Glitch

[unkempt steeple]

oh I played hk on playsation

[lapis vortex]

I liked the hunter's crest that much

[nova fox]

oh ok

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[unkempt steeple]

I only used hunter in my hitless boss run

[lapis halo]

Makes me

[undone gate]

The only binding I got in Phanteon 5 is charms

[nova fox]

wait aint this #sk-discussion not #hk-discussion

[nova fox]

i would be happy with p5 alone

[unkempt steeple]

after silksong focusing in hk without quick focus is painful

[nova fox]

what kind of monster are you

[unkempt steeple]

wdym I have to be on the ground and also hold a button

[lapis vortex]

Oh yeah skong heal is kinda rad

[glass oracle]

Ts so painful I'm using healing offensively

[undone gate]

I used mods to play a lot of bosses in All Binding before doing Phanteon 5 charmless

[glass oracle]

REALL

[unkempt steeple]

I was kinda pissed off at it at the start due to sometimes getting hit mid heal but I much prefer it now that I know when to use it

[nova fox]

ahh

[undone gate]

In Silksong I have beaten Karmalita with mostly the equipment you have at the start of the game

[lapis halo]

Guys, Reaper Is Goated

[lapis vortex]

Oh yeah, I still have done charmless p5, I've done every other binding individually though

[exotic cedar]

I did every binding but NOT at the same time

[unkempt steeple]

also I allways have multibinder and injector band equipped now so

[lapis halo]

On My Soul

[undone gate]

Charms is the hardest binding the only reason I didn't do the other binding was because I don't like P5 and didn't want to replay it 3 more times

[lapis halo]

It The Poison Pouch Or Purple Pouch Worth It

[unkempt steeple]

not really

[glass oracle]

Put that on ur Silk bro

[exotic cedar]

Nope

[undone gate]

It's Overratted

[brave geyser]

Iam an idiot i forgot to equip barbed

[lapis halo]

I Put It On My Silk

[lapis vortex]

Well, I was unemployed...

[brave geyser]

No

[unkempt steeple]

poison pouch is pretty weird considering the most simple way of using red tools is via spam which resets the poison counter

[strange knot]

Nice I got bilewater bellway

[lapis halo]

I'll Unequip It

[strange knot]

And a crying baby

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-shocked-gif-9885796698302419555

[unkempt steeple]

we should be able to adopt the grey root baby without it parasitising us

[undone gate]

Quick Sling is way better than Pollip Pouch

[unkempt steeple]

yeah it helps the spammy nature of red tools

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-ftc-gif-10344871754903558430

[lapis vortex]

Wait what's quick sling?

[unkempt steeple]

blue tool that sends out two red tools at once

[exotic cedar]

This is silksong if team cherry knew how to make games

[unkempt steeple]

I don't use red tools honestly, too much thinking involved and kinda hard to some with some late game bosses

[undone gate]

For Phanteons it makes sence also for some reason Pollip Pouch isin't affected by Enemy Damage Modifiers

[lapis halo]

Kinda true but the saw ground things helped me alot for lace (2nd one not lost)

[unkempt steeple]

also with some red tools like flintstate I get scared of using them at the wrong time and permantly losing it for the rest of the fight

[tight meadow]

Ngl I got to Bluewater not by progressing but by entering from purified ducts

[glass oracle]

NYLETA IS ACC RAGEBAITING
JUMPED FROM WALL TO WALL 4 TIMES IN A ROW

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[undone gate]

I guess so I still don't understand why Team Cherry made it nerf two really good red tools

[tight meadow]

Like I got a quarter in and dipped until the HOLE

[unkempt steeple]

oh and also I don't wanna accidently use a tool when I wanna cast a silk skill

those directional inputs sometimes are....

[timid plinth]

i love red tools

[undone gate]

You won't lose shell shards in dream fights like Karmalita, Khann and Nyleth so tools are really useful against them

[lapis halo]

My Ps5 Controller Is so ASS the stick drift made me die 2034943 times

[unkempt steeple]

no I mean't in the fight itself, Idc abt shell shard waste since they're very easy to just buy

[timid plinth]

why are you using the joystick

[lapis halo]

You Use The D-pad

[unkempt steeple]

I'm pretty sure my old controller got stick drift from silksong

[timid plinth]

yuppers

[unkempt steeple]

ew

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-tweaking-tweak-out-tweak-gif-9626953229313588671

[timid plinth]

oh we dont like the dpad

alrighty

[unkempt steeple]

I only use the d-pad to make sure I'm clicking up before using a red tool

[lapis halo]

Using The D-Pad Is Like Being Sentenced To The Death Row

[lapis halo]

Yeah Cause my joy stick DES

[timid plinth]

surely i wouldn't understand why

[lapis halo]

Any way gtg see you guys tmw

[lapis vortex]

I'm sorry what???

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-covering-mouth-stream-scary-speed-scared-gif-3435748839023247479

[unkempt steeple]

?

[lapis vortex]

Quick sling

I didn't know it existed

[unkempt steeple]

it doubles the red tools you send out, but it still wastes them by double

weirdly late game for some reason

[lapis vortex]

I think it can be very useful for enemies where you don't have much time to throw tools at

[unkempt steeple]

also I can never find it on my own I allways have to look up where it is when I'm looking through all my tools

[lapis vortex]

Imagine throwing two conch cutters

Or curve sickles

[undone gate]

It's in Bile Water which I guess is kinda late

[unkempt steeple]

I don't really use red tools so I've never equipped it

[slender juniper]

Should I go straight for injector band or do I do dancers

[keen solstice]

Technically mid game

[slender juniper]

I'm doing a witch only run and all of my damage is reduced by 20%

[unkempt steeple]

injector band

[lapis vortex]

I don't use red tools for bosses, but to mow down some fodder I might use some tools

[slender juniper]

Fucking hell

I died to a reed💔

[lapis vortex]

What's a reed?

[keen solstice]

Flying white guys that use pin sword

[lapis vortex]

Oh that one, very weak to pogos

[undone gate]

Reed is a cool enemy

[keen solstice]

Red tools are extremely broken for bosses

[unkempt steeple]

anyone noticed the flying underworkers are also seemingly reeds

[keen briar]

is the spear throw better or the silk surround spell better for moorwing?

[restive marsh]

wren

[unkempt steeple]

spear throw if you wanna be safe

[restive marsh]

how do you spell Eira

[lapis vortex]

Yeah that's why I don't use it. I don't want my tool to do my work especially against a boss

[unkempt steeple]

but if you're gonna use storm make sure to spam the button while using to increase the duration a little

[slender juniper]

The fact red tools used to be better on release

In the first ever patch they changed crafting kit damage increase from 70% to 60%

THEY KNEW

They should do it again to 50%

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[lapis vortex]

Hello

[toxic vigil]

i fell like they should both nerf them overall and nerf the top ones

like a 10% nerf to all and nerf stuff like curvesickle volt vessels

[undone gate]

An extra needle upgrade would be less than 20% extra damage

[slender juniper]

21 to 25 is a 19% increase

[slender juniper]

Should I ban red tools in my challenge run

[undone gate]

Which is less than 20%

[toxic vigil]

what is the challange run

[undone gate]

Yea

[slender juniper]

Witch crest only, all damage reduced by 20%

[undone gate]

Just ban all tools

[slender juniper]

Nah

I'm keeping Blues

[toxic vigil]

probably limit to 1 or ban

using 2 is pretty stupid sometimes

[slender juniper]

I'm thinking of using tacks

[lapis vortex]

Honestly, no tools would be pretty fun. I mostly did skong without tools because I kept forgetting I had it

[slender juniper]

But then that would defeat the purpose of the run

[toxic vigil]

which is

[slender juniper]

Be good at the game

[undone gate]

I have done Itemless which is like a way worce no tools

[slender juniper]

And learn how to use witch

[lapis vortex]

I'll try that, might be very fun

[toxic vigil]

witch is pretty decent

too bad most of its dps is rdac chaining

and dash attack -> clawline

[slender juniper]

HOLY SHIT QOL LIFE MOD SKIPS CARETAKER

OH MY GOD

FUCK HIM

[undone gate]

I have beaten Itemless Karmalita it was really fun

[jolly cedar]

how it feels to turn hornet into a plasmium addict

[toxic vigil]

reaper is kinda underrated like

• YES its the worst crest
• but its not THAT bad

reaper spogos are cool

[lapis vortex]

Lmao

[toxic vigil]

beast ones aren't that usefull bc beast pogo is more like clawline 2 than a pogo

[timid plinth]

ew reaper crest

[jolly cedar]

i used it religiously up until a point in act 3

[toxic vigil]

let me guess, swapped to wanderer

[timid plinth]

the reaper pogo does let you do sawtooth procs inbetween which is pretty cool

[jolly cedar]

no, actually, it was before that, i swapped to hunter

THEN, a few lost lace attempts ago, i swapped to wanderer

[slender juniper]

Cogwork dancers done

[toxic vigil]

hunter is my current fav crest
wanderer still 2nd

[slender juniper]

Which melody do I do first

Please don't say conductors

[undone gate]

Architect Melody

This is what Itemless Karmalita looks like

[slender juniper]

Fuck you I'm doing conductors

[undone gate]

Sure make sure to do it with Cursed Crest

[jolly cedar]

AHHHHHHHHHH

[lavish apex]

conceptually i think red tools are a fun addition to the game

[toxic vigil]

yeah

[slender juniper]

AAAHHHH why

[timid plinth]

how did you manage to be itemless up until karmelita

i cant even do that

[brave geyser]

Mods

[undone gate]

I used mods to be Itemless since it's impossible to be Itemless until Karmalita

[timid plinth]

oh

i guess i did it the hard way

[brave geyser]

Speaking of why is she so much harder to no hit with beast than she with needle only hunter and reaper lmao

I didn't know the facetanking propaganda crest would have trouble with no facetanking

[lavish apex]

hunter has focus

reaper idk

[brave geyser]

And what does reaper have

exactly

[exotic dome]

fun

[undone gate]

Some range

[brave geyser]

Keywords hunter and reaper needle only

[lavish apex]

maybe you're getting a lot of mileage out of the pogo

[toxic vigil]

heavy blow

[brave geyser]

iam doing beast with tools and struggling more

[brave geyser]

So does nothing for karm

[exotic dome]

high range and you get more silk

[brave geyser]

Hitless needle only

[toxic vigil]

reaper is not that good

[undone gate]

The range and the pogo and the only reasons

[brave geyser]

And yet i somehow struggled less with it

[exotic dome]

reaper is good for safe play

[brave geyser]

Pogo maybe but like iam having no trouble with beast pogo
Also the normal attacks were hand in hand good and detrimental

[undone gate]

It's also good in general exploration

[exotic dome]

that's why a lot of people used it in their first playthrough

[toxic vigil]

the range isn't even the best

its 2nd

[brave geyser]

I actually hated the range so much

Isn't it 3rd

Pretty sure witch and shamman are longer

[jolly cedar]

YESSSSSSSSSSSS

I BEAT HEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR

[undone gate]

Yea I don't know about Architect

[undone gate]

Who

[brave geyser]

Architect definitely not longer

[jolly cedar]

LOST LAAAAAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEE

[brave geyser]

nice twinette ggs

[undone gate]

Best Boss in Silksong

[brave geyser]

debatable

[toxic vigil]

oh nvm 3rd yeah

[jolly cedar]

OH MY GOD AND THE ||HOLLOW KNIGHT|| MOTIF

THIS IS SO PEAK

[jolly cedar]

honestly, i preferred her second fight

[brave geyser]

Commonly accepted opinion

[jolly cedar]

but imo

[hoary wadi]

Wanderer crest requires no skill, so is it bad to use it?

[jolly cedar]

even her second fight is the second best in the game

[jolly cedar]

the best is the forest guy

[lavish apex]

lost lace has a few crippling problems but i like the rest of the fight too much to not have her in my franchise top 10

well "a few" really just 1 + a nitpick

[toxic vigil]

opinion: witch crest is kinda overrated

[jolly cedar]

personally, i just don't like how it doesn't feel like a duel

[vague bramble]

Realistic hornet

[lavish apex]

that said i think i like karmelita more but until rematches come out i can't be totally sure

[lavish apex]

it very much does imo

[toxic vigil]

wanderer should have a 3rd blue instead of 1 yellow

or just +1 blue

[jolly cedar]

it feels less like that cuz there's a lot of attacks that dont come directly from her

meanwhile, in both her other fights, whenever she attacks any hitbox comes from her own

[lavish apex]

i didn't really have a super positive opinion of that fight until i nohit her

you can deal damage to her almost constantly

i don't think it's a lot, kinda just the projectiles and the waves no?

[slender juniper]

Why was trobbio so hard gng

[jolly cedar]

eh, with radiance it doesn't have to feel like a duel

[lavish apex]

both of them are great

[toxic vigil]

also side tendrils

the waves

[pale falcon]

Groal is destroying me by the worst move any boss can do

W A L K I N G

I found a strat,used it,left him with like 20% hp and then he just flies into me

[lavish apex]

i never realized before but hornet 2 also does that a lot

[pale falcon]

And I die

[toxic vigil]

architect is a bit silly

[pale falcon]

Just let me get to Shakra fight and Act 3 bro 😭

It's been FOUR DAYS

[toxic vigil]

Crest tierlist based on how good they are ( in my opinion but trying to be objective )
1 Architect ( because red tools )
2 Shaman ( because + 40% on silk skills )
3 Hunter
4 & 5 Beast Wanderer ( close but in that order. Wanderer is better BUT has 1 red which is a big downside )
6 Witch
7 Reaper

[pale falcon]

I'm crashing out this mf keeps flying into me

I gotta back up a bit ig

[slender juniper]

Does anybody wanna watch me do the challenge run

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/quickster-the-quickster-spongebob-bob-esponja-mermaid-man-gif-13673362

[lavish apex]

shocked to see you say this

are you ok? is this a cry for help?

[exotic cedar]

WHAT the FUCK

Who is holding you hostage

Blink twice if you need help

[lavish apex]

i think bro needs medical attention

[exotic cedar]

he needs his pills

[pale falcon]

I'm taking a break I died to a Groal while mf was one shot

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[onyx python]

eletricity

i'm gonna spam 7 bombs on the next boss i see because i never used red tools for anything but grinding rosaries

[broken seal]

it would be too good

[woeful skiff]

i beat P3 and on to P4 anytips?

[latent terrace]

Uhhhh

Do you want a tips?

Go inside him and attack him there

Trust me, it will work wonder

[onyx python]

what if you could drill groal from his insides

[latent terrace]

[strange knot]

“Go inside him”😭

[onyx python]

what iff you could explode groal from his insides

[latent terrace]

Let him suck you

[onyx python]

yo can you actually throw bombs in groal's mouth like in the binding of isaac?

[latent terrace]

It's better to be inside than to be outside of him

[strange knot]

Imagine fighting groal

[latent terrace]

Imagine exploring bilewater

[toxic vigil]

you can use 2
volt vessels ( bola form ) and pimpillo

[strange knot]

Sands of karak without drifter is harder than pop

[pale falcon]

I am doing so 😭

[onyx python]

what's driftrr

[strange knot]

Drifters cloak

[onyx python]

the wings?

[strange knot]

The float

[pale falcon]

I literally went to practise Pantheon 5 instead

I barelly beat Overworld Radiance I'm rusty af

Imma practise NKG or PV

[onyx python]

practice no eyes with your eyes closed

[onyx python]

how do you throw volt vessels in bola form?

[strange knot]

Become no eyes

[toxic vigil]

Transform with C in tool menu

[onyx python]

the wolrd would be better if the reaper crest's hitbox was hunter's hitbox but bigger

[remote talon]

how do i farm rosaries in act 3

[onyx python]

treadmill next to loam trust

[brave salmon]

establish a dictatorship and say you need to collect 50% of their rosaries for the good of the war effort.

[remote talon]

im serious i need pale steel needle 💔

[onyx python]

delivery worker

[remote talon]

that shit's difficult

[onyx python]

brute force it

[keen solstice]

The world would be better if reaper was good or atleast had a niche of it's own

[onyx python]

no bro it's already super good trust

[keen solstice]

[onyx python]

i main reaper since 2017

it's the best crest ever

(even though it is outclassed by every other crest)

[remote talon]

WHAT THE FUCK IS COURIER'S SWAG

[broken seal]

their swag

[broken seal]

"Make it so the reaper crest has better i-frames on pogo (currently the pogo is dogshit but people are brainwashed into thinking the pogo is good because big range), make it so taking damage during bind effect doesn't end the effect, and make it so the silk orbs will auto track towards Hornet slowly, doing bits of damage as they pass through enemies in the way towards Hornet. The silk gained from these orbs is increased, but less are spawned per hit (always 1 instead of 1-3), and they give less silk the more times they damage enemies as they travel to Hornet (they gradually speed up so you can't dodge them infinitely, or they disappear after a certain amount of time has passed)"
These were my suggest changes a while back what do you think

[fiery burrow]

Give my boy 2 spell slots

Or 3 idrc about shaman

[remote talon]

HOW do i farm rosaries in act 3
i am never making any from deliveries i suck

[strange knot]

Crawfather ig

[queen acorn]

the pogo is infact top 3

and your brainwashed to think otherwise

[fiery burrow]

So true

[remote talon]

CRAWBELL CLUTCH!!!!

[strange knot]

Shaman, Hunter, witch:

[queen acorn]

hunter and SHAMAN in top THREE??

[fiery burrow]

idm the pogo ngl

[queen acorn]

trying my best not to laugh

[strange knot]

Shaman pogo is fucking peak

And hunter is also really good

[queen acorn]

dont laugh dont laugh

[fiery burrow]

I think the goal with the crest was for it to have slow hits but a lot of silk gain if you could land them

If they reworked it they should keep that

[strange knot]

Tbh wanderer pogo bottom 1

[fiery burrow]

True

Hunter pogo is easily the funnest

[formal scroll]

Chat i have bad news

[fiery burrow]

idk about meta but I think it does well there too

[formal scroll]

I forgot my glasses

[undone gate]

It's straight up a better Wanderer Pogo

[strange knot]

I like shaman and witch pogos more

[formal scroll]

Anyways lets talk about how cool the boss concepts this game has

[fiery burrow]

Shaman felt odd

Witch is a solid contender

[formal scroll]

Ive never used shaman really

Nor witch both of those crests are alien to me

[undone gate]

Shaman Pogo when you don't hit it feels weird otherwise it's amazing

[formal scroll]

How does shamans pogo work again

[fiery burrow]

Yeah when I was fighting Karmelita I was mostly pogoing her with Shaman

[undone gate]

You just shoot a beam mostly vertically downward with high range

[fiery burrow]

But I prefer the flow of Hunter

Shaman like pushes you back iirc and that didn't feel as cool

[undone gate]

I also prefer Hunter Pogo Hunter is my most favorite crest in general Shaman is 2nd favorite

[strange knot]

It doesn’t if you hit spike or enemy

[formal scroll]

I likkeee reaper crest cause its pogo is easy

[undone gate]

Yea it feels weird if you don't hit a enemy but when you do it feels great

[fiery burrow]

Yeah but the movement is still different from Hunter right

[formal scroll]

But i do very much like hunter cause its fuuunnnn

[undone gate]

Every crest has different movement from Hunter

[undone gate]

Bosses in Silksong are much better than HK in my Opinion

[formal scroll]

I like how they handled crests in my opiniom

[strange knot]

Bosses in both games are mid as fuck

[fiery burrow]

truth nuke

[strange knot]

Celeste has better bosses

[formal scroll]

All of them are so unique that theres no real "best crest"

[jolly cedar]

aight guys how do i 200%

[formal scroll]

I like reaper cause its easy to use and is very forgiving

[fiery burrow]

Well moreso in HK but I think for both games they kinda lean into quantity over quality so they can reward players for exploration

[formal scroll]

100% silksong twice

[undone gate]

Farewell is essentialy a Boss Level

[fiery burrow]

Not to say there aren't highlights (Widow)

[formal scroll]

I like first sinner better than widow honestly

[strange knot]

I’m talking about badeline and oshiro

[formal scroll]

Its alot more fast paced but also easier

[fiery burrow]

First Sinner is close idk which one I like more but no one talks about Widow and everyone talks about FS

[undone gate]

I forgot Celeste had actual bosses

[formal scroll]

Whats fs

Ffffart shit

[fiery burrow]

Oshiro mid in 3C ngl

[undone gate]

I would say the best HK and Silksong Bosses are better than those 2

[fiery burrow]

First Sinner

[jolly cedar]

by bosses i think they meant mostly like baddie oshiro and the snowballs

[formal scroll]

oh yheah

[undone gate]

Snowballs being considered a boss is crazy

[jolly cedar]

oshiro was the worst boss in celeste

[fiery burrow]

Badeline is pretty great idk

[jolly cedar]

they literallly function the exact same way as oshiro doe

[strange knot]

Badeline is so fun to speedrun

[fiery burrow]

But one is a platforming challenge and the others are like actual bosses so difficult to compare

[undone gate]

Yea I do think she is a great boss I still think bosses like PV, LL, First Sinner are better

[jolly cedar]

real,both her fights are extremely fun in different ways

[fiery burrow]

LL is crazy

I think I'd take badeline over FS too idk about PV

[jolly cedar]

and i love the narrative part where in the first fight she chases you, wherase in the second fight you chase her

[undone gate]

2B is my most favorite level outside Farewell

[jolly cedar]

what are those

[undone gate]

First Sinner, Pure Vessel, Lost Lace

[strange knot]

I would take her over any boss except maybe like nyleth

[fiery burrow]

Best badeline fight is a mod though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BZXUVdIlEU

[undone gate]

Celeste is a completely different type of game I personally prefer combat a lot more then platforming that's why I like bosses like FS,PV,LL and some others more than Badeline

[strange knot]

I should play this map

[jolly cedar]

oh so you're comparing with different games

[strange knot]

Does it have jellies

[jolly cedar]

uhhh, where is first sinner from

[undone gate]

Silksong

[undone gate]

Yea

[jolly cedar]

i'll be frank, i don't remember any b sides or c sides. i remember farewell because it's hard and the a sides cuz i speedrun any% but i cannot really recall what the c sides or the b sides look like

[jolly cedar]

oh. haven't fought them

[fiery burrow]

No

This is because theo mogs jellies

[strange knot]

LETS GOO FINALLY A GOOD MAP

every adv map in sj having jellies be like:

[undone gate]

I mainly remember 2B because you dream jump in that level and dream jumping is really fun

[fiery burrow]

Adv is my favorite lobby so far ngl

The one with jellies you could stand on was great

[strange knot]

Oh it has Theo

[undone gate]

How far are you I would say she is a Late Act 2 Boss and is considered as one if the best bosses in Silksong

[strange knot]

I should try playing expert maps

Maybe those are more for me

[fiery burrow]

Its been like a year since I've hopped on strawberry jam wow

Probably the most impressive mod

Silksong wishes

[strange knot]

1st 2 lobbies were amazing and adv is just jellies over and over again

[fiery burrow]

Undergrowth and Synapse don't use jellies I think

Some of the best from the lobby

[strange knot]

Pretty sure I’ve beat undergrowth

[fiery burrow]

Superstrucure uses Theo and Tower XVI is a great puzzle map with dreamblocks

[fiery burrow]

Its so peak.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bmLb0zUQDU

[analog mist]

Holy shit

I just realized something stupid

lace is, in a way, auntie

[jolly cedar]

i mean i've beaten lost lace so

now im going for the 100%

[analog mist]

hey wait a minute

herrah the beast is a weaver or weaver descendant?

she has to be a weaver descendant cuz all first generations weavers are supposed to be and look the same since they're all evolved pharlids

[queen acorn]

im so green

[undone gate]

First Sinner is required for 100% so you will fight her though she might be a bit too easy in Act 3

[strange knot]

I should play crossover colab again after I finish the map I’m playing rn

[fiery burrow]

They don't look the same

Hornet is half weaver so Herrah was a full weaver

[jolly cedar]

what are the spider strings useful for

[jolly cedar]

nice

[analog mist]

very very mid tool

[fiery burrow]

This is out of universe but Herrah wasn't originally supposed to be a weaver back in HK1 so that's why she looks weird (but she got redesigned in Red Memory to look a lot more like one)

[jolly cedar]

yeah but what are they supposed to do

[fiery burrow]

Literally nothing

[analog mist]

makes enemies be able to stay stunned for longer

and affects farther enemies

[exotic dome]

tipp and pill 🔥

[analog mist]

Which is pointless considering you can't move

[jolly cedar]

what stun?

[strange knot]

The real antagonists of the game by the way

[fiery burrow]

Needolin freezes enemies in place

[analog mist]

You can play the needolin to immobilize nearby enemies

[fiery burrow]

Along with yourself so you're better off pausing the game

[jolly cedar]

it's never worked for me lol

i mean i assume it's to read minds easier but

[analog mist]

point is spider strings is useless

[exotic dome]

only reason that come to my mind is weavers giving birth is a painful process so their body is deformed, but this is not a confirmed thing

[analog mist]

true...

[exotic dome]

literally does nothing

since you cant move too

[copper hedge]

guys, is this art

[analog mist]

yes

[exotic dome]

i am spechless

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-gif-12014121009539253504

[analog mist]

lowk needolin should let you get silk from haunted enemies

[blazing dragon]

If you are overdosed you can play needolin to get yourself some time needed for mask regen
But it's mostly for lore

[exotic dome]

spider strings shouldve done that

hitting enemies give you silk
with spider strings needolin damages nearby enemies for a short period of time (very little dmg)
needolin gives you silk

[copper hedge]

spider strings really felt like Hornet bringing out her loudspeaker

[analog mist]

in HK the dream nail with dream wielder is actually a useful tool since it gives 66 soul

but needolin is useless even with spider strings for some reason

[jolly cedar]

awww im hearing a poor baby cry 😍

im sure its perfectly innocent

[copper hedge]

you should ask the Bellhart resident welcomer, Pavo

[magic narwhal]

We are in Act 3 now officially in Steel Soul with max nail

[jolly cedar]

what

[analog mist]

how the fuck do you have max nail

[blazing dragon]

It's basically a sound amplifier so more bugs can hear your concert
And you can make all Fleatopia/Bellheart sing at once

[magic narwhal]

Gonna max health next then grab my last tool

[jolly cedar]

wait why doesn't the twisted bud immediately insert itself

[magic narwhal]

Then it’s all in on bosses

[analog mist]

max nail is after act 3???

[jolly cedar]

what am i doing wrong

[magic narwhal]

Yup

[exotic dome]

only thing it does is needolin remix 💔

[slender juniper]

...to where

[copper hedge]

the mental image of Hornet grinding out Through the Fire and Flames with spider strings on the stage at Fleatopia is fire

[slender juniper]

That's good enough

[jolly cedar]

oh i have to bring it to that guy in shellwood

[analog mist]

Needolin (faster+reverb+louder+enrique)

[slender juniper]

"why doesn't the Bud immediately insert itself" Gurl to where?😭up your ass?

[exotic dome]

see it works

[slender juniper]

I'm crine

[jolly cedar]

idk to hornet's heart or whatever

[analog mist]

twisted root is a baby

It can't do that by itself

[jolly cedar]

how do i get out of this shithole

[sage glade]

this site is fun

[analog mist]

do you have the map

[copper hedge]

yea. altho u can get WILD ones

[undone gate]

You can actually put tacks and use needoline when Lace is above the tacks

[copper hedge]

💀

[analog mist]

I think you can go to the bellway from there

[copper hedge]

no

[analog mist]

Draw Megatron griffin

[copper hedge]

also this was there too

[jolly cedar]

oh im just stupid

[analog mist]

cute

[copper hedge]

i had to clarify them if this is during or after Hollow Knight

oh yeah #hk-general got mad at that lmao

[copper hedge]

lmao

and the fedora as well

[jolly cedar]

star wars slander 💔

oh

that's disturbing

[copper hedge]

noooo they were close to finishing :(

[jolly cedar]

uh....

the bell hermit is dead...

how do i get the witch crest quest now....

[fiery burrow]

can't you just go talk to yarnaby

[copper hedge]

yea

[sage glade]

who the actual fuck is this

[copper hedge]

those were just small hints to where she is. not required to interact with them if you know the target

[sage glade]

we ain't even playing the same game

[copper hedge]

which is why i wished the track mechanic was more than just being static

[jolly cedar]

huh

where are they doe

[copper hedge]

you already know the place to go, so the track mechanic was just there

i wish they make it a bit random

[fiery burrow]

Greymoor

[copper hedge]

so it feels new

[fiery burrow]

I think Pavo might give a hint

[jolly cedar]

i just found a crest in the chapel and i cant take it ughhhh

[jolly cedar]

ill just check the wiki

[sage glade]

am i being trolled by the same person

[icy crow]

He does

[icy crow]

Chocolate boxes in here have roughly the same stuff which only changes depending on the brand lol

[copper hedge]

lmao

[unkempt steeple]

what site is this

[copper hedge]

youraislopboresme

just put a dot between bores and me

[cerulean sable]

Do you guys think in general

Mid to upper pharloom is cold

Just that its being heated by the smeltrocks from the Marrows

[sage glade]

it depends on the type of box plus it's a quote from forrest gump anyway

[cerulean sable]

Via the Underworks cauldron

[icy crow]

I would guess the entirety of Citadel is chilly

[cerulean sable]

Ye
Esp with Mt fay literally next to ut

And the sea to the east

[blazing dragon]

When I was playing the game (and got arrested in Act 1) I thought that making a prison in the cold environment is truly diabolical

[visual grotto]

js spent 2 hours finding the last flea that i apparently missed 13 times

[blazing dragon]

Considering bugs are probably cold-blooded

[tight viper]

They should’ve built the Slab in Deepnest

[icy crow]

On god if we do not get a Voltlands area in this DLC I'm gonna riot

[blazing dragon]

Sounds like Australia (you basically send your criminals in some distant place with a lot of spiders)

(no offence intended)

[quartz roost]

Do you not have the flea maps?

[visual grotto]

i am not paying that much

im broke cus i keep dying of skill issue

[quartz roost]

Oh, I see. What act are you in?

[visual grotto]

3

1 more percent to 100

gonna go to sleep now tho

bye chat

[odd hull]

Good morning

[lost brook]

wth is wrong with this game, a secret area in a secret area in a secret area, for 1 singular flea

spectacular map design

[icy crow]

Did you get the Everbloom?

[icy crow]

Huh

[broken seal]

Bottom one for combat and probably bottom 2 or 3 for (good) platforming. It's better in platforming, but slow asf and also carries you forward+downward so it can easily push you into enemies or obstacles you want to bounce off of. It's best factor is that it has sone speedrun skips in certain categories, but other than that it doesn't beat out other crests.

[visual grotto]

yuh

[magic narwhal]

My favourite was the memory locket in a random background object in Bilewater

[queen acorn]

no truth here

[visual grotto]

wanderers crest

[icy crow]

Did you get the final Needle upgrade?

[visual grotto]

yes

[magic narwhal]

People sleep on Reaper so much, that dash attack is so clean

[broken seal]

It's a part of the genre, if you're against it then that's not a fault of this specific game. Also, later in the game there's a vender that sells flea maps, which will help you know where to look for them.

[icy crow]

All masks? Spools?

[broken seal]

elaborate

[lost brook]

i meant it more sarcastically lol

ari or who so ever is on map design is onn point making this game feel genuinely endless

[visual grotto]

yes im just missing the gun i forgot exact name

the gun

[icy crow]

Rosary Cannon?

[broken seal]

i assumed so lol just wanted to clarify

[queen acorn]

how slow mfs swear reaper is (hunter is one ball ticker quicker)

[visual grotto]

yeah

[broken seal]

This isn't really elaborating but okay 😭

[icy crow]

It's inside the High Halls bank room in a secret passage

You have to break a dispenser in the ceiling and it will drop

[visual grotto]

alr

[icy crow]

It's one of the most well hidden tools in the game imo

[queen acorn]

ik i have no good point

[broken seal]

💔

[queen acorn]

but you wrong

[broken seal]

well for combat i could see it being moved to bottom 2 instead of 1 cuz of the discovery that it can (kinda) do spogos (still worse spogos than witch by a decent amount but it does help the dps a decent amount)

[exotic dome]

🐌 🐌 🐌

[queen acorn]

dude its not that slow

[exotic dome]

that's false reaper is slower than this

[queen acorn]

my initial meme is valid

watch the reaper haters attack

[broken seal]

for platforming it's definitely the most beginner friendly and comfortable alongside Wanderer maybe, but at average to higher levels of gameplay you'll be able to platform better and faster with basically every other crest. It keeps some points because of consistency and certain speedrun skips.

[broken seal]

The speed isn't the main issue it's just one of them

[icy crow]

Isn't Reaper's silk orb system weak?

I remember seeing players saying it only restores like half of a spool each orb

[broken seal]

The issues for a combat setting is that while it isn't SUPER slow, it's still slower than other crest pogos, and it also carries you diagonally down+forward which can easily drag you into an enemy, especially in a fast paced battle. The biggest issue, though, is the fact that the pogo has VERY few i-frames, which makes it MUCH more unsafe compared to every other pogo.

[broken seal]

yes

[jagged ledge]

I hate lost laces rng

[broken seal]

Every hit during bind will spawn between 1-3 orbs, randomly. Each orb will restore 1/3 of a strand, and getting hit will immediately end the effect (orbs will stick around even if the effect ends)

[jagged ledge]

I havent beaten her and Ive died to her 85 times (git gud)

[broken seal]

You need 27 orbs to get enough silk for a single bind, not including the silk you would gain from your needle hits

[fiery burrow]

Might need to go get better gear and stuff

[broken seal]

but i have max gear and i used mods to remove double damage and give me extra masks but i still can't win 😿

[exotic dome]

i recommend installing the mod that replaces double dmg with triple

[fiery burrow]

This is kinda a secret and you didn't hear it from me but there's a secret win condition if you hit the 'quit game' button and go to the steam storepage and search up "Memories in Orbit"

[exotic dome]

there is no limit to mio glaze

[fiery burrow]

Game isn't even good enough to warrant this much glaze its just for the love of the game fr

[subtle lynx]

Agreed with the first 5 words

[latent terrace]

Guys, what are the sign of silksong larper?

[subtle lynx]

Someone that glazes trobbio easily

[latent terrace]

That's it?

Only one?

[subtle lynx]

Idk it's what came to mind first

[latent terrace]

No way it's that shallow to be a silksong larper

Or even hollow knight larper

[subtle lynx]

Ok bro

[latent terrace]

[fiery burrow]

if you aren't constantly bashing the game you're larping ngl

[jolly cedar]

gng where's the whisp thicket map

[fiery burrow]

Its just Greymoor's isn't it

[latent terrace]

It's in one with greymoor map

[subtle lynx]

Shakra sells it 2 rooms before the craw home room

[jolly cedar]

the what

[wind mulch]

genuinely

[subtle lynx]

The place where the craw gaunlet is

[wind mulch]

whilst simultaneously glazing hk

[subtle lynx]

And crawfather

[raw pawn]

If you aren't larping then you are larping rn

[fiery burrow]

I did my fair amount of HK bashing back in the day 👴

[wind mulch]

but its a new dawn

[subtle lynx]

Idek what larping or bashing exactly mean

Isn't it glazing and hating

[wind mulch]

silksong is the new target

[fiery burrow]

larping is being a poser bashing is insulting the game

[hardy tangle]

larping is like pretending you like something you barely know about

so hollow knight larper artists draw hornet x the knight

[subtle lynx]

Ah

[odd hull]

There's none

[subtle lynx]

I'm no larper then

[fiery burrow]

I can think of a more prominent larper ship

[subtle lynx]

I actually love HK!

[hardy tangle]

lace x hornet?

[fiery burrow]

Bingo

[hardy tangle]

i think tk x hornet is bigger tho

[subtle lynx]

My favourite ship is knight X zote😂

[fiery burrow]

no it ain't 😭

[hardy tangle]

and more larpier

[raw pawn]

Idk if you are allowed to say this ship here

[latent terrace]

Cornifer X Iselsa

[hardy tangle]

im not glorifying it

[fiery burrow]

Its one larp to not play HK its a far more impressive larp to play Silksong and have the entire point of a character go over your head

[hardy tangle]

ive hated lace x hornet since day 1 matter of fact i hated lace since the trailer dropped

[subtle lynx]

Omg

Is this beef to @earnest drift ????

Are you calling him out?

Wow

[raw pawn]

I hate hornet because she is not a hornet

I would love her if she was called spider

[fiery burrow]

I found it fun before the game released

I was also shipping Church Maid and Caretaker ngl

Very unlucky

[subtle lynx]

She is larping as a wasp enjoyer when she actually never engages with wasp culture

[jolly cedar]

im going insane why can i not move in whisp thicket

[hardy tangle]

why is every shaman related tho

[raw pawn]

because

[latent terrace]

Then is Zote larping too?

[jolly cedar]

like no matter where i go if i open my map im in the same spot

[fiery burrow]

where's mama and papa shaman

[hardy tangle]

hornet x hive knight am i right guys

[subtle lynx]

In the abyss

[raw pawn]

First time I saw Zote I thought he was one of the knight's siblings 😭

[subtle lynx]

They are void after all

[fiery burrow]

hornet x thistlewind

[latent terrace]

Zote tell fake stories about him everytime, is he larping?

[subtle lynx]

I think everyone

[hardy tangle]

i can actually back this up also

[subtle lynx]

No, because he never lies

[fiery burrow]

Hive Knight is too cool to date Hornet ngl

[jolly cedar]

HUHHHH

[fiery burrow]

Character assassination

[jolly cedar]

WHAT IS THIS PLACE

[subtle lynx]

Hive knight larp

[latent terrace]

Tell me one zote prescript to show that you're not larping as hollow knight players

[hardy tangle]

fuuuuck

[subtle lynx]

Every hive knight fan knows his character doesn't exist

[jolly cedar]

no wait it's "the mist"

[fiery burrow]

you learned that word five minutes ago 🥀

https://giphy.com/gifs/larp-no-limit-to-QqwajnOjzDViSEM3Xu

[subtle lynx]

And now I'm a master at identifying larpers

I'll bash larpers

[hardy tangle]

im larping it

[latent terrace]

What if you one day become a larper too?

[subtle lynx]

Never

[latent terrace]

Everyone are larping at some point

[subtle lynx]

I'm a true fan

I love silksong

[latent terrace]

There's no shame in larping

[subtle lynx]

Even if I don't understand why silksong is sometimes called hornet

I love her

[wind mulch]

hornet x whoever is failing to see the fact that hornet is an incel

[latent terrace]

Doesn't she say that she had mates before, but they died earlier than her?

[quartz roost]

Mis silksong you mean?

[wind mulch]

shes lying

thats her version of "my girlfriend goes to another school"

[subtle lynx]

Yes

[quartz roost]

Yup

[hardy tangle]

hunter is canonically an incel though

[sly grail]

Oh my god witch crest is actually pissing me off

[quartz roost]

What'd it do to you??

[sly grail]

First of all the bind gets fucking interrupted by her scream

So if you deal damage with it and it causes her to scream it interrupts your bind and you dont heal more than 1 mask

[quartz roost]

Whom's scream?

[sly grail]

Lace

[quartz roost]

Which one?

[sly grail]

The one she does all the time

Or do you mean which lace

In which case the one at the top of the elevator

[quartz roost]

Which Lace?

[latent terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/larp-larping-mahito-jujutsu-kaisen-larper-gif-5475157444924658810

[quartz roost]

Ahhhh, okay

[sly grail]

But yea that scream interrupts the fucking bind

Which is total bs like wtf why can i not get the full bind off if they scream

It does no damage either

[silk monolith]

ive seen the bind not lose silk if it gets interrupted by screams

[quartz roost]

I didn't know that, I haven't fought Lace 2 with witch yet

[sly grail]

Yeah if the bind triggers the scream it seems to consume silk and not heal you

Which is just epic

[silk monolith]

oh witch nuke yeah idk if thst loses silk or not

[quartz roost]

If I remember correctly it's a phase transition so that's why

[sly grail]

Ok but i can hit them during the scream with any other crest

And bind during it too on any other crest

Its just witch crest that gets fucked

[sage glade]

"phase transition" like ok it's a state of matter

[quartz roost]

Well you're not sending her into her next phase while healing with any other crest so makes sense

[sly grail]

Also, i think there's something with the pogo where your hurtbox moves slightly down

Because i keep getting hit during her forward slash attack when i try to pogo her to deal damage, in a way that i dont when using literally any other crest

[light swan]

wair how does lace interrupt the bind

it just, stops?

[sly grail]

Yes

[quartz roost]

Maybe, the pogo as felt weird to me before.

Also, this channel is an amazing way to get spoiled, if you want get help without getting spoiled go to #sk-help

[sly grail]

Its actual bs xD

[sly grail]

Oh i dont care about spoilers ik basically how the entire game goes

[light swan]

this exists but that’s not the problem here

it’s because witch pogo doesn’t immediately send you out like smth like shaman or wanderer

[quartz roost]

Well you do pretty much do a short teleport

[sly grail]

Oh, huh

I havent had issues pogoing with reaper / hunter / beast either

Havent tried architect for this fight yet

[light swan]

you’d get this same problem with reaper or architect or any other not instant pogo

[sly grail]

I havent had that happen with reaper

[light swan]

witch gets iframes for 7 frames but in those frames hornet goes down and up

[sly grail]

With witch crest it happens very consistently

[light swan]

at the end of those 7 frames she’s where she started

that’s what causes you to get hit

[sly grail]

Also theres some wack stuff with the nail flurry attacks she has

[light swan]

that’s what i think, i also know lace’s hitboxes are bullshit

[sly grail]

In that i can seemingly get parried from behind her

Which is just incredible

[light swan]

there’s quite a few hitboxes in the game where it hits you even during your iframes i feel

[sly grail]

Then they aren't iframes tho??????

[light swan]

trobbio tornado, lace’s attacks, karmelita spin, etc

[light swan]

well there definitely are

[quartz roost]

The hitbox probably goes a little bit behind her

[sly grail]

No, its if i dont space correctly and am too close to her

[light swan]

those attacks just either ignore it or im tripping

[timid sky]

I have hunter pogo freeze and kill me if im pogoing spikes at point blank

[sly grail]

The nail i think hits the attack first and it gets canceled

[timid sky]

Not kill but damage

[raw pawn]

So the combo attacks?

[light swan]

i don’t know

[timid sky]

Bc there's a 0.1s windup time

[light swan]

there are attacks like second sentinels which works fine

i think at least

[sly grail]

I mean i dont think theres a point in calling them iframes if you can get hit during them lmao

[light swan]

it could just be multihit lingering hitboxes hitting me as my iframes run out

[light swan]

they are literally iframes that make you invincible in 80% of situations

[sly grail]

Oh

[light swan]

what is there to be confused about

[raw pawn]

Can the wraiths catch you while iframes are on

[sly grail]

I thought they'd be consistent lmao

[quartz roost]

Most the crests don't instantly activate the pogo hitbox

[opaque sigil]

there might be some weirdness with attacks designed to do multiple ticks in quick succession since they'd have to bypass the post hit iframes

[light swan]

that’s literally what i’m saying, theyre not

[sly grail]

Yeah i misunderstood

Because i thought they were consistent lmao

[raw pawn]

Also trobbio's tornado is very unpredictable I don't know if there is anyway to predict it

[light swan]

again, only attacks like some of laces attacks, karmelita spin, trobbio tornado, etc

[sly grail]

Hm

Very weird tbh lmao

But yea the slash combo from lace seems like one of those then

[sly grail]

Because im like 99% sure im getting hit when i shouldnt be with it

Also one thing that im not a fan of and that just generally messes with me a lot, not unique to lace whatsoever, is attacks that teleport you to a fixed position for a followup

[raw pawn]

It looks like hornet became a rocket

[sly grail]

They just yoink you from like one side of the enemy to another which is so weird

[raw pawn]

Seth also does that

[light swan]

i think thats part of the attacks that go through iframes

[raw pawn]

Why do I sometimes get hit by a combo without the combo activating tho

[sly grail]

I need to record this actually

[raw pawn]

Like I just take 1 hit from it

[opaque sigil]

does that happen with cross stitch and sharpdart too or is it just pogos and clawline I'm curious

[light swan]

nvm this isnt pogo iframes this is sawtooth parrying the helicopter

[light swan]

no, i dont even know if it’s actualky going through iframes it just feels lik that

i think the hitboxes are just fucked up more tha anything

but that makes me wonder why this happens with only some attacks

[rotund gate]

WHERE
IS
IT

WHERE IS THE SEA OF SORROW

WHEN WILL BE ABLE TO SAIL INTO THE SEA OF SORROW

[still osprey]

Tomorrow for sure

[slender juniper]

Just did Conductors gauntlet with 5 masks and needle 1

Multibinder injector witch go BRRR

[sly grail]

Here like wtf is this

[stable mica]

hey, this sounds familiar

[sly grail]

I pogod there lmao

[slender juniper]

Silk issue

[stable mica]

delay and hitbox i think

Lace is a fat silk

[lucid trout]

Peak🥹

[stable mica]

we all know…

[lucid trout]

Wdym

[light swan]

yea this is what i’m talking about

just ignoring iframes sometimes

[sage glade]

we all knew

[sage glade]

dark souls 2 be like

[sly grail]

I need to watch this back but i think i got an even worse example

[lucid trout]

That hollow knight is peak?

[light swan]

and again, iframes definitely do exist

[sly grail]

Yeah like here lmao

This one is REALLY bad

[lucid trout]

I just beat her twice in a row

I'm actually him🥹🥹🥹

[exotic cedar]

This is why lace 2 is a BAD boss fight

[lucid trout]

Is lost lace in another ending?

[sly grail]

I pogod there btw

[undone gate]

Yea she is the True Final Boss

[lucid trout]

How do I get to her?

Also why is gms lowkey easy

[sly grail]

The reason i get hit here is because i dare try pogo this attack of hers with witch crest

[exotic cedar]

Do boring wishes, get the fleas to ducts, get your own bellhome and uhhh

[undone gate]

She attacked before you pogo bounced far away her to avoid the attack

[exotic cedar]

Lost lame

[sly grail]

Wdym

[undone gate]

I can give a whole explanation for that but simple reason is that she is just the base final boss not the true final boss

[orchid spruce]

I used to like her a lot

[undone gate]

Lost Lace is an amazing Boss

[lucid trout]

I was thinking she was surprisingly easy for a final boss

[exotic cedar]

Its my least favorite final boss

[strange knot]

Lmao I have to down patch even earlier to get to memorium without faydown

[lavish apex]

the reason gms is easy is that all of her attacks are super telegraphed and silksong is very generous with timings for vertical dodges

because of drifter's

[undone gate]

The Reason Why Team Cherry makes the Final Bosses of both HK and Silksong easy

I am talking about The Hollow Knight and Grand Mother Silk who I will refer to as THK and GMS respectively

A lot of people talk about how disappointed with the fact that THK and GMS are really easy for the final boss there are a few reasons for that

Both THK and GMS are actually pretty challangeing if you fight them right after just doing the required content instead of a lot of optional stuff which people tend to do

They are made to be disappointing as they unlock the Bad Ending of the game you aren't meant to feel accomplishment for getting the Bad Ending, if you want the Good Ending then you have to go through the True Final Bosses of both games which are really challangeing

THK is the runback for Radience and GMS has the cursed ending which means that they can't be too hard in those sinarios

Lorewise THK wants you to win while GMS is a dying God

These are the reasons why Team Cherry has both THK and GMS to be easy and will probably not change that

[sly grail]

The reason i get hit there is i think because her attack has a grab hitbox, and witch crest pogo moves you down, during which you normally have iframes but the grab hitbox ignores iframes lmao

[orchid spruce]

But then she came...

Nine Sols major(ish) spoilers?

[exotic cedar]

My goat

[orchid spruce]

👑

[undone gate]

||Eigong|| is just a masterclass of a boss

[undone gate]

That makes sence I think all double hit 1 mask damage are grab attacks

[orchid spruce]

Blasphemous 2 spoilers

[sly grail]

Yeah, its just bs xD

Apparently lace just hardcounters witch crest

Which is a shame since its such a fun crest otherwise lmao

[orchid spruce]

It's probably the second worst crest

[sly grail]

Laces scream also interrupts witch crest bind so if your bind causes her to scream you just lose all silk and only heal 1 mask lmao

[orchid spruce]

Don't let Witch crest propaganda delude you into otherwise

[undone gate]

It's the same for every bind

[sly grail]

Literally isnt

[undone gate]

Screams just cancels binding

[sly grail]

You can still bind during screams with other crests

[lavish apex]

witch is the hype moments and aura crest

[strange knot]

No?

[sly grail]

And aside from beast crest its not possible to start the scream during a bind with other crests

[strange knot]

Replying to oreolamp btw

[sly grail]

I mean you literally can with lace idk

[strange knot]

You can’t bind during screams what

[sly grail]

Idk ive done it with lace lmao

Its not a normal boss scream it doesnt stop everything you do

Other boss screams you cant do anything during

[undone gate]

It is possible because bosses usually take a moment before they start screaming

[sly grail]

Lace scream you can

Lace scream literally doesnt it triggers from her getting hit bruh

Its a hp threshold p sure

Im specifically talking about lace 2 fight here

Not in general

[undone gate]

Yea and I also think she also needs to finish her attack combo for the scream to activate

[sly grail]

Might be

Either way ive been able to hear during her scream just fine with other crests

Its just witch crest that gets interrupted lmao

Her scream just cancels the bind, you lose your silk and only heal 1 maks if the first hit causes her to scream

Or even 0 masks if you have mirror equipped

Which has also happened to me lmao

[strange knot]

Holy peak

[hybrid flare]

dark souls cant be a good game

[strange knot]

I also died right after

[hybrid flare]

with a minecraft-tier boss like bed of chaos

[sharp slate]

those are pogoable....

[strange knot]

Yeah

[hybrid flare]

witch crest slander, call illusion

[exotic dome]

yea bed of chaos is the rock bottom

[lavish apex]

hype moments and aura are cool

[hybrid flare]

bed of chaos vs the ender dragon which one is worse

[orchid spruce]

anyone's got a lost lace save

[sly grail]

Oh apparently hunter pogos suffer from this exact same problem

[orchid spruce]

i wanna fight her

[hybrid flare]

buddy if you beat the game js go and fight her

[sly grail]

You cant actually pogo that attack with hunter or witch crest since you just get hit even though it should hit the attack

[lavish apex]

do you not have an act 3 file?

[sly grail]

Thats neat lmao

[orchid spruce]

oh yeah I do

[lavish apex]

what is bed of chaos like to warrant this comparison

[orchid spruce]

honestly i'm just drunk (literally) atm

[analog mist]

the lace is lost

[strange knot]

Ngl memorium without faydown is so peak

[hybrid flare]

Looks

ig the fight is somewhat cinematic for dark souls 1 era

[strange knot]

Chat I’m a bout to get the best tool ever

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-not-drunk-gif-6557412007102319656

[strange knot]

Second best actually

[hybrid flare]

Its actually like the worst boss ive fought

[fiery burrow]

bed of chaos vs lost lace

[sharp slate]

flintslate my beloved

[hybrid flare]

and thats saying something

[lavish apex]

i've never played ds1

[hybrid flare]

star this is getting old

[strange knot]

I’m talking about volt vessels

[lavish apex]

i thought people liked the bosses in that game

[orchid spruce]

bed of chaos clears

[hybrid flare]

ds1 is overrated

[jolly cedar]

im here buit i dont see any wardens appearing to imprison me

[fiery burrow]

ok Lost Lace isn't that bad but I genuinely fr 100% no sarcasm don't fw the fight 🥹

[hybrid flare]

the only good bosses are artorias and manus 💔

[exotic dome]

ds1 has no good bosses

[hybrid flare]

Good or bad for you but minecraft wither mogs

[humble maple]

guys look what I got

[orchid spruce]

lost lace is even worse than eggnog, famously known for being somehow both mid and terrible

[lavish apex]

not even ornstein and smough?

[exotic dome]

it's ok i guess

[jolly cedar]

?

[exotic dome]

not as good as people say

[hybrid flare]

They're lwk ok, only praised for being one of the few good fromsoftware gank bosses

shadows of yharnam mog

[orchid spruce]

don't they have sekiro

[digital sandal]

amazing

[orchid spruce]

[hybrid flare]

the only gank boss is dogshit and sekiros ganks in general arent very good

[orchid spruce]

what is gank