sk-discussion

[rocky jolt]

well thats because the knights ''cloak'' or whatever u can call it is part of its body i think

[wind mulch]

this picture was taken at the battle i believe

[flat lynx]

how're you gonna get bellbeast out without the spear

[brave geyser]

It's impossible

Even with any other skill

[rough anvil]

Not even with thread oh

[still osprey]

enemies in arenas drop rosaries?????

[flat lynx]

wait is it possible to get another silk skill and then come back to free bell beast

[still osprey]

I just called geo rosaries omfg

[brave geyser]

It's like hardcoded for silk spear

[quartz cave]

Yeah its true, i mean theres a picture of it, how can they deny it

[brave geyser]

2-3 years dagestan

They're playing hk

[flat lynx]

darn

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/gerran-howell-500-bananas-ceo-of-500-bananas-lenjaminnn-the-pitt-gif-12510720842320388124

[wind mulch]

the hellenic gods worked in truly mysterious ways

[still osprey]

I can't wait to say bellway instead of stag station like 20 quadrillion times

[quartz cave]

What if the greek mythology was set in mother times

Would there be a god of videogames

[brave geyser]

They do except for colossuem

[quartz cave]

A god of specifically SUV vehicles

[brave geyser]

Bro even the 2 mantis before traitor lord drop geo

[still osprey]

dude regular pilgrims take only 3 hits to die

[meager jolt]

Replaying Hollow Knight, they do

[still osprey]

omg HUSKS NOT PILGRIMS

[flat lynx]

nah they do, the frequency of gauntlets is far less than silksongs though

[still osprey]

I can't do this I am going to go insane

[brave geyser]

And by pilgrims you mean...?

[quartz cave]

A goddess of among us

[brave geyser]

There's like a grand total of 5 outside of colo

[rough anvil]

Dont forget the fucking animals drop MONEY

[still osprey]

husks 😭

[wind mulch]

i think Dionysus would claim that role

[quartz cave]

Would greek gods be categorized as scps nowadays

[brave geyser]

A fucking hopper drops more than rich guy in city btw

[tired fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q3mM7r0FvM

[still osprey]

I just tried to ledge grab

[flat lynx]

what do you count as an arena/gauntlet?? cus im mainly referring to like when you get locked in a room and a ton of small enemies get thrown at ya

[brave geyser]

Seems about right

[meager jolt]

Everybody drops Geo except the Uuma (Ooma? The baby ones)

[quartz cave]

I think hed go hard on a dance floor back in 2020 peak of the pandemic

[wind mulch]

id say a guy who can throw lightning bolts is pretty anomalous

[brave geyser]

There are more enemies that don't drop iam pretty sure

The baby mushrooms

[quartz cave]

Id think ares would be the god of videogames

[normal bramble]

Probably

[meager jolt]

No journal entry, no damage

[brave geyser]

The flukefeys (small flying quick fuckers)

[quartz cave]

More specifically the god of getting angry at videogames, throwing, and ragebaiting

[normal bramble]

I feel like they’d be split up by genre with every god trying to get a piece of ownership

[meager jolt]

Ah, right, forgot about those

[quartz cave]

I mean what difference is there to a call of duty lobby with an active voice chat vs a war

[normal bramble]

None tbf

[brave geyser]

What were the exploding birds called

Belflies

[quartz cave]

Id feel like somed join that just because the others are

[brave geyser]

Belflies don't drop money aswell

[flat lynx]

tbh just the frequency of slurs

[brave geyser]

Infected balloons don't either

[still osprey]

maybe shakra was onto something cuz why tf does a Quill cost 120 Rosaries

[strange knot]

Sadly it’s too inconsistent maybe I will get better at it tomorrow

[still osprey]

geo

[brave geyser]

Oh my god bruh

[quartz cave]

Like athena could not give less of a crap until she sees the other fighting and says "well videogames can actually improve intelligence and there is a lot to be learned fro-"

[wind mulch]

would Athena be the goddess of like stellaris and hearts of iron since shes the patron of strategy

[strange knot]

Doing a fucking reverse hyper dash In silksong

[quartz cave]

She would act like she only play brain games then go under an alt to go absolutely massacre ares' virtual city

[flat lynx]

what is a reverse hyperdash

[still osprey]

compass is 220 geo btw 😭

70 rosaries in silksong for comparison

[quartz cave]

Would hepheastus be a game dev or just a hardware maker

[flat lynx]

yes but only one charm slot!!

[strange knot]

Basically I called this reverse hyper dash but it’s a reference to Celeste

This shit should be used way more

[flat lynx]

oohhh cool ive been meaning to get to celeste

[strange knot]

It’s the most fun thing ever

I love anything reverse

[wild holly]

lmao

[light swan]

hardware

[wind mulch]

hepheastus wouldnt respect videogames hes got a stick too far up his ass

[echo dock]

Madeline looks a lil different

[still osprey]

200 geo from defeating false knight????? Bro this game is easy as shit

[strange knot]

I know at least 2-3 places this can be used at I need to test it

[quartz cave]

Though for sure theyd all get together to make sure zeus not only doesnt play but simply never gets to see that videogame exists

Thunder roars a giant fucking lightning splits a mountain in half

[meager jolt]

Also skippable

[quartz cave]

All because Xxx_anonymous-2016_xxX killed him and tbagged him on fortnite

[broken seal]

you need to kill him for the geo

[still osprey]

so like why did they bind spells to the same button as focus

why did team cherry think this was a good idea

the input delay is so ass and the game never tells you about quick cast

[meager jolt]

Geo is ez to get anyway

[still osprey]

like the button is right there why did they do this

[meager jolt]

I do hate that

[quartz cave]

Also the kinda guy to insult every single game them boost them to no end once he actually plays them

[gusty comet]

why is widow so hard for me

[meager jolt]

Because she's hard

[normal bramble]

Geo is FUN to get

[brave geyser]

the god forbidden amount of geo rocks BEFORE false knight:

[normal bramble]

Collusuem of fools is awesome

[wind mulch]

to be fair i think all the gods would probably murder u if u killed them in fortnite or smthn

[meager jolt]

Slash, slash, slash!

[quartz cave]

Chat who would the gods hate more at a karaoke bar, Apollo or Dionysus

[light swan]

apollo

[quartz cave]

Yeah but zeus is the only one to split a mountain in half cause of it
And ares would start a war with both the kids country and the devs

[wind mulch]

dionysus for sure he is literally the patron of entertainment he wouldnt ever stop

[light swan]

technically a reverse super/hyper would be a backflip in silksong terms

[quartz cave]

Yeah but on the other hand apollo will NEVER shut up about how much better he is at singing

Theyd have beef with eachother
Or the bestest of friendships theyre complicated

[still osprey]

if I try to hunter pogo one more time I SWEAR I will kill someone

[wide coral]

karmalitta is easy , who told me she's hard to beat ?

[wind mulch]

Athena turned a mf into a spider for being better than her at weaving imagine what she'd do if u got her voted out in among us

[meager jolt]

In Hollow Knight or Silksong?

[still osprey]

hk

[meager jolt]

Mm

[quartz cave]

HER LOGIC MAKES NOT SENSE HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE THE GODDESS OF INTELLIGENCE OF MURDER

• yellow vented i saw her

That poor child was never heard from ever again

Actually no one would play with her

[wind mulch]

fun fact im from the Island Aphrodite was born on in legend

[quartz cave]

The game would start and shed run to the button and inmeidatelly press it

[still osprey]

fireball skip first try I believe

[strange knot]

Gl

[quartz cave]

Detailing step by step why a certain pñayers behaviour was insanely suspicious (they moved left a little bit) and shed be spot on

[still osprey]

I did not get fireball skip first try

I'll just go around I don't feel like trying again or doing the mosquito pogo

[strange knot]

Why didn’t team cherry patched out fireball skip its making casual players’ life worse

[quartz cave]

Do you know her

[meager jolt]

I like fly pogos

[wind mulch]

yes

[quartz cave]

Holy shit

[still osprey]

they fly now

[wind mulch]

she was born in Paphos which is like an hour from where my father lived

[strange knot]

Lmao

[meager jolt]

Weird that you don't fall through the hole

[quartz cave]

Do you think shed hate sephora and similar

[graceful oyster]

I was talking with someone earlier in part about Silksong Act 3 and the way I could just seamlessly tear down any pro-Act3 sentiment makes me feel like a debbie downer and that it's just real

Act 3 is so buns

[quartz cave]

Whats so much the issue there

[onyx python]

why do people say act 3 is bum

[wind mulch]

what the makeup brand?

[quartz cave]

Yeah

[meager jolt]

Ahem. Lost Verdania is pretty.

[graceful oyster]

Tldr sloppy presentation, mid writing, retconslop

[onyx python]

RETCON?

[light swan]

whats wrong with debby

[still osprey]

you can't cut vines by upslashing what

[quartz cave]

And the whole trend of ultraoverusing a crap ton of makeup and shit innorder to look pretty

[wind mulch]

if it made u look better than her i imagine shed turn u into a goose or smthn

[graceful oyster]

What

[strange knot]

What.

[light swan]

debbie downer

[quartz cave]

Shed be all for natural beauty i think

[light swan]

why are you downing on debby

[strange knot]

What is this silk shot but with silk spear damage

[quartz cave]

Shed also sent ares to your front porch if you said your natural beauty was prettier than hers yes

[meager jolt]

Wait, you're replaying Hollow Knight, too?

[graceful oyster]

Oh pff

[wind mulch]

being from the same island as aphrodite is such a flex i cant lie

[strange knot]

And apparently also a major glitch😭

[quartz cave]

Im from the same country as ismoil isnt that so cool

Wait im ismoil

[still osprey]

yea

want to do as much as possible on both games back to back

cuz I'm really really bored

[quartz cave]

Have you played poptlc bestie

[still osprey]

Dude. It's Silksong.

I just said Mossgrub instead of Mosscreep

It might actually be terminal

[wind mulch]

i president of Tajikistans grandson ⁉️

[quartz cave]

No as in the loser youre talking to

[wind mulch]

ohhhhh

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-whitaker-the-pitt-dennis-whitaker-the-pitt-bubblearchives-dennis-gif-4304457845753524221

[wind mulch]

YOURE the president of tajikistans grandson i get it now

[meager jolt]

Omg me too! I started a new save file a few days ago!

[wind mulch]

how is tajikistan this time of year

[quartz cave]

Howd you know it!

[meager jolt]

Mosscreep is my favorite enemy from HK

[quartz cave]

A lot of snow, or tropical weather, or just sunny days, or very hot, or nice and chilly, or something

[still osprey]

why does a spell only count as hitting a geo rock once 😭

[strange knot]

wtf now I GOTTA do a no drifters cloak hundo playthrough

[rocky jolt]

s tier pogo ball

[wind mulch]

really covering all bases there

[odd hull]

I had one friend unironically saying that to me.

[wind mulch]

im glad ur familiar with tajikistans famously tropical climate

[quartz cave]

Of course id be

[strange knot]

Badtie what playthrough should I do next:
any% cloakless
100% cloakless
Max% no dash
True ending low%?

Or new steal a soul attempt

[still osprey]

100% Cloakless

[strange knot]

Ok

I’m so scared of Mount Fay no drifters.

[light swan]

low

[echo dock]

Damn this guy hates dash

[still osprey]

You think I'm landing the quick kill?

I did in fact, not land the quick kill

[normal bramble]

Alright I’m tempted to finally go an damn my sanity for entirety (start the grind for farewell golden)

Finished P4 and got to Abs rad in P5 so

[still osprey]

Farewell Golden is one of the two goldens I haven't done even after almost 3k hours on Celeste

The other golden is 8B because I hate 8B

[normal bramble]

I haven’t done 8B or 8C golden

I hate the core as a whole

[still osprey]

dude what do you mean bosses get up after getting hit during a stagger

I completely forgot that is a thing

Why do they not stay staggered

[normal bramble]

This genuinely is what made me Unequip my beloved grimmchild

It’s so dumb that they get tapped once and insta get up

[still osprey]

whatever I did Silksong hitless and got dash 🐐

THERE'S NO SPRINTING RAAAAAHHHH

I almost said broodmother instead of gruz mother

[odd hull]

Trash game

[fiery burrow]

in HK its 1 hit in Silksong its like 3 iirc?

[still osprey]

nah they stay staggered

they only get up after ~3 hits or so

[strange knot]

Btw can you get to lj with no cloak

[random scroll]

how long did it take you all to get to ||act 3||?

[strange knot]

Oh ok

I should take lj route than

It does

[normal bramble]

Wow I haven’t played Celeste since doing advanced levels in strawberry jam with a friend like 1-2 years ago

[strange knot]

Just that I like bells way more

[normal bramble]

I am WASHED 😭

[odd hull]

Around 40h I think

[random scroll]

nice

[strange knot]

Ill do mist when i hopefullly get faydown

[random scroll]

I hate Crust King Kahn

any build suggestions?

Im stuggling with the middle of the last gauntlet before king

the very last gauntlet

i think the very last gauntlet

[storm warren]

How many Rounds have you reached?

[random scroll]

finished round 1 and 2

[storm warren]

Well there is 4 gauntlets

3 before you can create a shortcut

[random scroll]

my bad im stuck on 3d round

[storm warren]

I'm not sure what equipments you've got available, but I could give a little help

[random scroll]

yes pleeeaaaasseeeee 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[storm warren]

What's your main Crest?

[random scroll]

wanderer's

[storm warren]

Alr

[trim estuary]

ew

same though

[random scroll]

hater

ok

[tight viper]

Wanderer Crest must be destroyed

[random scroll]

NO IT must not

mb i had caps lock on

[still osprey]

620 Geo from Mantis Lords 😭 They're really handing these out

[storm warren]

I would actually consider you use Reaper but either way

[strange knot]

Anyone knows how that thing that lets you complete the quest without getting the reward is done?

I probably should ask this in hksr server tbh

[storm warren]

But either way, the basic idea with this built is to overdose yourself with plasmium, the way to do this is simple: You first go to the dream world and after you consume all the plasmium, then you leave the dream world, do this until your full heart meter is converted to plasmium hearts via overdosing

The plasmium will re-apear full after you've consumed and left the dream world

If this strat is difficult to manage or rather too much time consuming, I could give another built with Reaper as it's a bit more afficiant in tool management

Also you should maybe get all Mossberies to upgrade your Druids eye (mine isn't because this is another save)

[low pagoda]

you can silk soar thru scene exits that's crazy

[random scroll]

it's alright i could try this strat and if it doesn't work, i could just stick with it for a bit until i get it.

gtg cya

[storm warren]

Also

Major in my case, if flying enemies keep too far distance, use the grapple to reach them

[random scroll]

THATS WHAT IM MISSING

TYSM

[storm warren]

Sorry Clawline

[random scroll]

i get what u mean

[storm warren]

Alr then, enjoy

[edgy patio]

architect crest + plasmium phial

[still osprey]

Why do these levers make you stay in place literally nothing is happening bro

[storm warren]

Also don't forget, after the third gauntlet their should be a heavy coral cone that you can hit to make it fall, giving a skip till the crust king fight

[strange knot]

They do lmfao?

[storm warren]

For short attention people, to provide a basic understanding of a change that has accured in there surrounding, so they don't complain for nothing later

Idk ask the devs

[still osprey]

I lowkey forgot needle upgrades aren't free in this game

NAIL

[storm warren]

You played the sequal first?

[still osprey]

no I'm just replaying the game after not really touching it since silksong came out

[storm warren]

Alr

[strange knot]

Doesn’t seem to complicated ngl

[storm warren]

Sorry?

[strange knot]

It’s the thing I asked about

Pause storage

[storm warren]

Related to your first question?

[strange knot]

Yeah

[storm warren]

I don't exactly get what you mean

Could you clarify?

[odd hull]

For a second I saw the lever base as their body.

[strange knot]

Yeah nevermind I can’t really specify xd

[edgy patio]

ask team cherry

[storm warren]

I can hear it out

[strange knot]

I already got an answer so yeah

[storm warren]

Alr

[still osprey]

I just killed an enemy a little too quickly and I was actually like

"do I have hunter crest equipped why did I deal so much damage"

I'm actually going to cry

the worst part is I am a hunter main so even if I was playing silksong I would have hunter equipped

This arena is so random btw why does it exist it's like 2 waves 😭 most pointless arena award

[edgy patio]

chat is it possible yet to make custom crests yet or custom tools or custom silk skills?

[still osprey]

yea custom crests and tools are possible

[edgy patio]

do the resources even exist yet

[still osprey]

been possible for a while actually

[edgy patio]

really? i haven't seen a single modded crest yet

[still osprey]

Queen Crest and Void Crest

[edgy patio]

with custom like pogo up slash and forward and back slash

queen crest is gms crest

but void does sound interesting

[rocky jolt]

they made an orange fanta tool

[still osprey]

they fr gave Soul Warrior the same battle music as Waterways Action

even team cherry knows the boss is shit

[edgy patio]

btw chat

with the cursed crest

[fiery burrow]

waterways action is the dumbest thing ever

Just does not fit imo

[edgy patio]

if you bind and you get covered with roots does that count as a block?

like i haven't seen anybody talk about this

can u block with the cursed crest if u time the bind correctly

[echo dock]

90% no

Lemme check

[edgy patio]

alr

man it would be a cool mechanic if it did work

[echo dock]

Not a thing sadly :(, wiki specifically says u take damage during that animation

It can extend jumps apparently tho

[sick oak]

you get cornifer tho

[edgy patio]

yeah that's true

[still osprey]

soul master done dive unlocked game is free now

[edgy patio]

such an L of team cherry to not do that

[still osprey]

as if it wasn't free already

[edgy patio]

that would be the most creative thing ever ngl

a bind that makes you block

[still osprey]

380 Geo from Soul Master they're ACTUALLY just handing these out for free at this point

[trim estuary]

they made sure not to make that same mistake in Silksong

ZERO monetary rewards for bosses

[silver sundial]

bilewater is the worst area

[edgy patio]

atleast it leads to purified ducts (flea area) and pharloom bay

[remote talon]

Hollow Knight: Silksong: Sea of Sorrow

[silver sundial]

no pharloom bay yet

[edgy patio]

yeah but there will be soon

im pretty sure theres a spot on the map in bile water

[silver sundial]

yeah there is

[edgy patio]

if u go there u'll see a door covered with rubble

i marked that for the dlc

on my true 100% steel save

[silver sundial]

bro

[edgy patio]

waddup

[silver sundial]

100% in steel soul is goated

[edgy patio]

thanks

look here i'll show u

[silver sundial]

damn

[edgy patio]

i did it to get ready for dlc

i even have 4.8k rosaries to spare

[light swan]

i may be replaying nine sols very soon

[edgy patio]

dude hunter's memento is so fun to get honestly

[strange knot]

How it feels to lie for no reason

[edgy patio]

i don't have the optional shakra and garmond fight but it's finr

[strange knot]

The most boring thing in the game is not fun

[edgy patio]

this is on switch 2 i can't mod it

[storm warren]

Lol why would someone lie

[strange knot]

What?

[silver sundial]

what if i didnt get the needed memory areas enemies and i dont get the hunter memento

[edgy patio]

if u think im lying it's fine though i don't mind

[strange knot]

In saying that hunters memento isnt fun at all

[edgy patio]

it's a compliment to me lol

[strange knot]

Not that you cheated or sum

[edgy patio]

oh mb then

[tight viper]

Lying is fun

[edgy patio]

they automatically complete for u

[round creek]

Is it possible to get locked out of 100%

[silver sundial]

ohhhhhh i didnt knew it

[strange knot]

Wait yes it is. If you do a glitch you can get yourself locked out of drifters cloak so you don’t get circlet

[storm warren]

Grand job, now attend the second festival challenge to get the momento by Seth

[edgy patio]

yeah it's so that u don't get locked out of hunter's memento

[storm warren]

Trying is better

[silver sundial]

there is btw, just reset your save and you will get locked out of 100%

[edgy patio]

yeah i did that before beating seth so i didn't have to do it later

[tight viper]

Well yeah but that glitch isn't something you just do accidentally

[edgy patio]

i did it on like 1 am tired as hell

[strange knot]

They didn’t asked on accident

[round creek]

Thanks for the info, I no longer have to stay awake at night

[round creek]

So the only way is to do something intentional

[storm warren]

No, Seth will still be a little higher than your score, so you'll need to re attend

[silver sundial]

yeah

[strange knot]

There also a few ways to get soft locked I guess that could count

[edgy patio]

nuh uh

i looked up his scores and beat them after many attempts

[storm warren]

So how much did you have to surpass Seth?

[edgy patio]

sprint master swift could've gotten a new race track but team cherry didn't have time to do thattt

so it's 6 laps same track as the third one

[storm warren]

I know that

[edgy patio]

oof i don't remember my switch 2 is like shut down cus im waiting for dlc now

[storm warren]

Now I'm starting to speculate

[edgy patio]

but mostly like over his score by 5 points

or more

[storm warren]

You could be just imported another person's save

[quartz cave]

beating up prometheus is easier than getting to fucking elysium in the nightmare underworld path whaddahell

[edgy patio]

nah im the biggest hk fan there is to exist i wouldn't do that

[storm warren]

I couldn't care less tho

[still osprey]

no way Massive Moss Charger drops 300 Geo bro 😭

[storm warren]

You could and prob would

[edgy patio]

lmao

[storm warren]

Lol

[tight viper]

Doesn't it drop 200?

[edgy patio]

all of them are stacked

msotly all of them*

[tight viper]

Wait no that's False Knight

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/riy9gkgK0dS.gif

[edgy patio]

guys

i think yesterday lace skin came out

im gonna try it today

[storm warren]

Like for Hornet?

[edgy patio]

yes

[barren dew]

hi

[lilac oxide]

is this difficult? some people i talked to said it took them hours or days it took me 6 attempts

[storm warren]

Is there a link?

[edgy patio]

nvm

it didn't come out bruh i thought it did

[barren dew]

Some do but it's not too hard tho

[lilac oxide]

ok they just had skill issues

[rough anvil]

Im so traumatized i read silk issues

[storm warren]

Yeah no, bc people can't backtrack a whole save after reaching act 3 (most don't notice the badge till then or simply already fixed they're with crest)

[storm warren]

But yes it is quite easy

[barren dew]

Why does it bother people if someone has skill issues anyway

[quartz cave]

FUCK
first time i reach typhon and i die last phase i was sooo close

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-whitaker-the-pitt-dennis-whitaker-the-pitt-bubblearchives-dennis-gif-4304457845753524221

[storm warren]

Good Term, I'll right it down

[storm warren]

What?

[lilac oxide]

[quartz cave]

hades 2

[storm warren]

Deutsche Abkommen sind eine starke Kette

[still osprey]

It's 5:50 AM I should probably sleep

[icy crow]

Peak

[teal ridge]

Is that sea of sorrow?

[storm warren]

Same

[lilac oxide]

LMAO

[brave geyser]

Depends on who you ask
Most people found it pretty easy tho. It's just big silk afterall

[lilac oxide]

the people i asked were like

"welcome to hell, youre gonna be stuck here for days"

[brave geyser]

was there atleast one masochism joke

[lilac oxide]

more than one

[brave geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[lilac oxide]

pretty fun ending ngl

[odd hull]

What's that

[brave geyser]

But yea she really isn't that bad even twisted
Especially if you use clawline + know about the spike trick

[lilac oxide]

what spike trick

[brave geyser]

Ts should be my entire steel soul run onb

[lilac oxide]

[brave geyser]

hitting the spikes once or twice makes a chunk of them go away

[lilac oxide]

whaaat

[brave geyser]

yep

[lilac oxide]

i love when mechanics are taught and explained in such a nice way 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[icy crow]

Worldless

[brave geyser]

My friend found it on pure accident and it's made the fight significantly easier

[lilac oxide]

thanks team cherry

is that a bug or intended

[brave geyser]

the indication is the spikes shifting after the first hit

[brave geyser]

They literally slowly go out of the screen

[lilac oxide]

bruhh

[brave geyser]

"oh shit mb bruh" ass

[lilac oxide]

tc has this weird rhetoric where they will never make spike pogoing mandatory

so I guess they thought

"no ddark so how will players get rid of the spikes"

[brave geyser]

Just ask nicely

grab their attention

ask them to make some space

[odd hull]

Never heard of it

[lilac oxide]

except one singular pogo in deep docks we dont talk about that one

[brave geyser]

Fuckin' cogwork core:

[lilac oxide]

is it necessary?

surely they intend you to do some clawline shit

[brave geyser]

i mean you could clawline which does count as a pogo in some cases (flea bounce)

[lilac oxide]

ehh I dont count that as pogo in parkour like that

[tight viper]

which one

[brave geyser]

fair enough

also good question which

[lilac oxide]

theres a section in lower deep docks where you have to pogo an explosion rock thats inside a spike floor

[brave geyser]

ok that's just 100% mandatory for hype moments and aura yea

[lilac oxide]

fr

[brave geyser]

Can someone make me a steel soul file with cursed crest at the start tho

[lilac oxide]

my beast crest maining ass does NOT mind fewer required pogos

[lilac oxide]

glass soul cursed crest

🤔

[brave geyser]

that'd be fun

[lilac oxide]

i just realised starting with cursed crest means no bell beast

[brave geyser]

Unless i can't bind abilities tho

Can i have just 1 silk heart too pretty please

[lilac oxide]

[brave geyser]

:<

[lilac oxide]

ok you get 1 silk heart but permament muckmaggots be upon thee

[brave geyser]

Watch me lose my files for the fourth time in a row trying to do ts

[brave geyser]

Sir yes sir

[lilac oxide]

[lilac oxide]

real

[brave geyser]

Somehow affected my pvz2 reflourished and deltarune progress too

[quartz cave]

house got a wheelchair for a week just to prove cuddy wrong 😭

[brave geyser]

Maggots are my favourite anyway

[brave geyser]

Lowk respect

[tight viper]

Horse M.D.

[light swan]

cursed crest lowk easy

idk why i was stressing over cursed karmelita

[brave geyser]

I was doing the same with high halls

Then did it in like 3 tries

[light swan]

the scary part is lace 2

because the mist deals 4 damage

[ornate perch]

Guys I suck at steel soul

Any tips?

[brave geyser]

Pardon

are you doing barbed cursed or

[brave geyser]

Well what section do you struggle at in particular

[ornate perch]

I can’t get past through the first Shellwood gauntlet 😭

[icy crow]

Lowk an evil ass

[ornate perch]

Having less masks and skills is way harder than I thought 😭

[brave geyser]

Stand on the sides of the arena when second and third waves start. Attack the minion that pops up closest twice (iirc it's always gonna be the rolling guy) dash away and silk spear both

Repeat for wave 3. You can gather silk before the gauntlet

anything else?

[ornate perch]

I wanna get Wanderer crest but I don’t wanna spend 500 rosaries, if I want without the key I need grip, how can I get it?

[brave geyser]

You don't
is sister splinter giving you trouble?

[ornate perch]

Nah, I skip her most of the times

[brave geyser]

Then i don't really see grip being an issue

Do you also skip moorwing?

[ornate perch]

No

[ornate perch]

Getting to it is the issue

I can’t get past through the gauntlet

[light swan]

it’s impossible to put on barbed bracelet on cursed

[brave geyser]

Just do a normal playthrough again while planning out a route

[sharp slate]

you can just use claw on left side of bone bottum room

[brave geyser]

keep saving and quitting if there's a section you struggle with to practice

[sharp slate]

shellwood gaunlet?

[ornate perch]

Okay, thanks

[brave geyser]

I think by grip they meant claw.

[ornate perch]

Yes

[sharp slate]

if you can get enough silk and you can hit both the stick guys with a silks spear if you stand on right

2 silk spears kills or 1 silk spear and 2 hits

[light swan]

not steel soul but look at how i almost died @brave geyser

[crisp heron]

Yaawwwnn silksong

[brave geyser]

Holy fuck WHY does it do 4 damage

[crisp heron]

everytime i enter this chat illusion has recently sent a pro silksong clip he may be the john silksong

[light swan]

also the beginning is bugged latest patch as you can see

at least im invincible during the animation

[brave geyser]

i know about the beginning yea but what about the mist

[light swan]

i think it only happens on repeats and not the first attempt

[cerulean sable]

i can take on 5 karmelitas in a fight

[brave geyser]

Why does that do 4

[light swan]

mist has always dealt 4

[crisp heron]

of course its always fun to see li here as i can be reminded of his foolishness that one time

[brave geyser]

actually?

[light swan]

yea

[crisp heron]

i can take on 5 karmelitas

[brave geyser]

[cerulean sable]

in a fight

[crisp heron]

sure

[brave geyser]

How the hell have i not noticed
Better yet why

[trim estuary]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAm0Sp2acAQBoE3.gif

[crisp heron]

I'll prove my claims correct

just you all wait

they will NOT be besting me at air hockey

[brave geyser]

And then she lost her image perms

[crisp heron]

NO

[brave geyser]

Oh okay

[crisp heron]

I need my image perms

[light swan]

do you want to know the answer to both those questions

[brave geyser]

Is it because phantom is just that op

[light swan]

the answer to the how: ||you haven’t noticed because it doesn’t exist or actually happen||

the answer to why: ||im using the ascended mode on the Pantheon Of Pharloom to refight lace 2||

[brave geyser]

Clearly you need them taken away from you

[brave geyser]

Son of a

[light swan]

get silkposted :)

[brave geyser]

I actually forgot ascended is a thing LMFAO

Easiest bait i ever fell for

[cerulean sable]

i think Pharloom should invest more on its air force

Choral Moorwings are in order

preferably fought on the bridge leading to the Putrid Ducts

[light swan]

i think pharloom needs to worry about domestic issues before international issues

[cerulean sable]

perhpas

[opaque sigil]

fayforn knights

[tight viper]

Pinstresses

[orchid locust]

❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ 5 TRILLION ROSARIES TO STEEL CITY ✅ ✅

[tiny phoenix]

[undone gate]

Can you do this Tech against Lost Lace

[plucky wigeon]

need ask how much memory locket needed to full unlocks witch crest and shaman crest

[spiral wedge]

man what the fuck is wrong with these devs

cool 15+ minute runback for phantom are we fucking for real

of course they hid a bench

shocker

[undone gate]

Yea

[spiral wedge]

mf how the fuck did i miss it

this fucking game man

[undone gate]

It's 30 seconds with the bench

[spiral wedge]

deadass i feel like they made half of this game purely to piss you off

[desert horizon]

Groal in a nutshell

Ig there is one hidden bench but if you don't know about it it makes it a lot worse

[undone gate]

Groal is the only one with a runback longer than a minute

[spiral wedge]

yeah i cannot imagine beating this game steel soul what the fuck

[desert horizon]

Bilewater would be completely optional for steel soul right

[spiral wedge]

steel soul 100%?

[undone gate]

In general Steel Soul is really boring

[spiral wedge]

im still in act 2

[undone gate]

Bilewater is required for Act 3

[desert horizon]

Well for 100% then ig not

But to just beat the game in steel soul

[undone gate]

Base Ending with Steel Soul shouldn't be that hard

[spiral wedge]

coming from someone who has literally beaten everything hk has to offer yeah the difficulty is not even fucking close

[undone gate]

You have beaten Phanteon 5

[desert horizon]

Hopefully not

[spiral wedge]

yep and radianted every boss

[desert horizon]

Now do R5AB

[undone gate]

Silksong is just slightly harder than HK you just have to get used to it and nothing in Silksong is as hard as Phanteon 5

[desert horizon]

I'm done with silksong for a while

Lost lace is enough for me for a little while

[spiral wedge]

yeah i deadass do not believe you

but like whatever ig

[desert horizon]

Maybe I'll find the spool and mask shards but in terms of steel soul I'm gonna wait for a bit

[undone gate]

What do you find so hard in Silksong

Compared to average games they are hard

[spiral wedge]

exploration being cancerous in some spots, and bosses being extremely hard to learn due to double damage or shit movesets

[desert horizon]

P5 is quite hard but you have the benefit of practicing all of the bosses individually before you actually fight them in the pantheon

[spiral wedge]

this game feels like DS2 if the bosses werent bitchmade

[desert horizon]

Silksong doesn't really have that kind of practice but ig it also doesn't really have that many spots where you'd need it badly

[undone gate]

If you just play hard games HK and Silksong will feel relatively easy

[spiral wedge]

not really?

i mean ive platinumed every fromsoft game besides bloodborne and i would say this is definitely harder than those games

[undone gate]

For Bosses you heal for 3 masks in the air which is OP

[desert horizon]

I think hk/SS is tied with being the hardest game I've played (Celeste)

Specifically modded Celeste

[undone gate]

There is a huge difference between 3d and 2d and yea the previous statement I made isin't true now that I think about it

[spice cargo]

silksong on the first run is pain

[undone gate]

I have beaten everything in Celeste it is really punishing

[undone gate]

Other than the goldens I am not a Masochist

[desert horizon]

Ok what's harder r5ab or fwg+moonberry

Lol

[undone gate]

Statistically I think it's R5AB since less people have beaten it I think I don't really know

[tight viper]

Watch this sick win

[desert horizon]

It's farewell (chpt 9(hardest chapter and longest by far in the base game) plus the secret in said chapter (also kinda hard)

[undone gate]

In Celeste main game there is just 1 to 8 with A to C and there is an extra chapter Farewell

[spiral wedge]

literally every enemy in this game is annoying which is honestly an achievement in itself

yes

[undone gate]

They upgraded the enemy AI from Hollow Knight

[desert horizon]

This was easier for me than first sinner and father of the flame somehow (act 3 spoilers)

Ok then

Average bot ban

[undone gate]

That's crazy since I found her way harder than both the bosses you mentioned

[spiral wedge]

yeah i might wait on steel soul \

[tight viper]

I can't believe she Lost

Lace

[spiral wedge]

until pantheon for this comes out because bosses cant be practiced

[desert horizon]

Ik she's supposed to be the hardest boss in the game by a mile and she was hard but like I struggled for such a longer time with those 2

I have skill inconsistency ig

[undone gate]

First Sinner is just Sprint Attack spam and FotF is just Pogo spam

[desert horizon]

-# 🤯

[desert horizon]

True but idk

I just suck ig idk lol

[undone gate]

You might have had way less expirenece and upgrades when fighting them

[desert horizon]

Probably

[undone gate]

Sprint Attack > Clawline for Grounded Enemies like First Sinner

[desert horizon]

I definitely didn't have that poison tool by then because I just forgot about the polip wish lmao

[undone gate]

Like slightly but Sprint Attack of Hunter and Witch can double hit and gain more silk

[desert horizon]

Also idk if this affects anything with FS but I was using reaper crest so maybe I was just making it harder on myself

Yesnt

[undone gate]

Just install the Phanteon Mod

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[desert horizon]

I love the fanteons

50% more fanta

[toxic vigil]

you can animation cancel witch crest dash attack with clawline to get more dps

[desert horizon]

I always wanted to install mods but I can't because console :/

Lmao that sounds amazing

But.. but hornet wouldn't want to fight the radiance

Radiance is too floofy

[undone gate]

Hornet has a better heal more mobility and better counter against air enemies with tools and silk skills

[desert horizon]

True

[toxic vigil]

2 masks

[undone gate]

You press B

[desert horizon]

Right forgot about that journal entry

[desert horizon]

Wouldnt it differ depending on what you play with

[onyx python]

yall is there anything worse than bilewater in silksong?

[toxic vigil]

yeah
ideally where you have all masks

[undone gate]

Putrified Ducts

[desert horizon]

greymoor

[toxic vigil]

nope

[minor sparrow]

No, it's for kbm

[onyx python]

stop lying

[toxic vigil]

actually
the mist

[onyx python]

stop lying

[minor sparrow]

Nah pogo train the wraith is fun

[desert horizon]

Technically bilewater is the best worst area of the map

[onyx python]

i only died 1 time in the mist

[desert horizon]

It's the most annoying part but the most well developed part too

[minor sparrow]

Ducts, arguably, but it's significantly smaller

[desert horizon]

• the music is awesome for it

[onyx python]

brain gymnastics just to nkt say that it is a garbage area

[minor sparrow]

It really isn't

[toxic vigil]

it is

[desert horizon]

It's just annoying

[toxic vigil]

2nd worst imo

[desert horizon]

You can appreciate it without liking it

[minor sparrow]

Honestly bilewater is really fun to traverse after you get through it the first time

[onyx python]

from personal experience i never died in duct

[minor sparrow]

It's not about dying lol

[desert horizon]

Only good things about ducts is fleatopia and wreath of purity

[minor sparrow]

You asked what was worse, not what was harder

[toxic vigil]

cuz its smaller

[minor sparrow]

And purity is kinda eh

[tight viper]

Wormways is the worst area

[onyx python]

yeah and i dont like dying

[minor sparrow]

So mostly fleatopia

[toxic vigil]

longclaw

[onyx python]

if i dont die then i just dont care about said area

[desert horizon]

It's definitely useful if you get it before finding bilewater

[desert horizon]

Never even found it lmao

[onyx python]

there is also the way i die too

[minor sparrow]

And I expanded past just dying so

[toxic vigil]

xd

its in a quest

[undone gate]

So you don't like hard Bosses even when their well made

[desert horizon]

Ok well then godhome is the worst thing ever in hollow knight by that logic

[minor sparrow]

Sure but it's not like a highlight for me, it's situational at besf

[desert horizon]

-# 😭

[tight viper]

Shell Satchel bug or something

[toxic vigil]

um
satchel?

[desert horizon]

True

[undone gate]

Did you equip Shell Snatchel before

[minor sparrow]

I don't think I've once used or felt like using wreath tbh

[onyx python]

i dont like it when the enemy appears, throws poop at me and then leaves

[desert horizon]

Why not dodge it then

[onyx python]

it's just unfair

[minor sparrow]

Sure

[tight viper]

parry the dart

[desert horizon]

Like they have a decent amount of time before they actually throw the dart

[onyx python]

kinda difficult when kt's your first time going to that area

[desert horizon]

More than enough to parry it or just get out of the way

[undone gate]

You can Sprint past most of them

[desert horizon]

Well it only takes one or two of them before realizing they only have that attack

[onyx python]

the thing is that he is a normal enemy, if he wasnt a normal enemy i wouldnt mind his existence

[minor sparrow]

I just realized there are very few non-hittable projectiles in sk

[stable narwhal]

sea of sorrows tomorrow!

[minor sparrow]

I like that quite a bit

[desert horizon]

Huzzah!

[spiral wedge]

phantom is cool gg

[tight viper]

Which ones aren't hittable

Other than void globs ig

[desert horizon]

I thought phantom was gonna be like a super hard boss fight but it turned out to be not as hard and pretty fun imo

[tight viper]

and Groal's secret move

you don't have a healthbar mod installed, do ya

[stable narwhal]

what's the hardest mandatory boss fight in silksong then

[spiral wedge]

i severely need a nail upgrade

[stable narwhal]

groal? lost lace maybe

[turbid verge]

is it normal that i am feeling unmotivated to play sk ? i have played hk last year and have 60+ hours in that game, in both of this games i got frsutrated and died a lot even in simple enemy encounters but i remember hk getting me hooked up on it later while sk feels hard for just the sake of ebing hard, i am stuck in greymoor rn ( i got 7 hours in sk ) everytime i try to eplore greymoor i end und up dying, enemies feel unfair and runback is a bit too much

[tight viper]

which one are you fighting?

[desert horizon]

Prolly grandmother silk idk
Depends on what ending you play or what you classify mandatory

[stable narwhal]

i feel like cursed gms is easier than lost lace tbh

[spiral wedge]

wait is lost lace required for steel soul 100%

[toxic vigil]

bell beast has like
350 hp instead of 150

your needle does x4

[stable narwhal]

i mean lost lace is required for an ending so

[ancient mortar]

Hmm, silksong is definitely harder though i don't think its unfair, definitely harder than hk tho. Would you like some advice of where to find some tools that may make your experience easier?

[toxic vigil]

early game sk is unfair

[ancient mortar]

I disagree

[stable narwhal]

the hardest boss fights in this game arent mandatory

[tight viper]

Most of the early game bosses get a sizeable HP buff, somewhat based on their damage modifier numbers

[desert horizon]

Widow is the hardest boss in ss confirmed

[tight viper]

Sister Splinter goes from 310 to 724, for example

[spiral wedge]

its not even the humanoid bosses that are an massive issue it feels like

[minor sparrow]

Significantly

[turbid verge]

yeah, as on now i got moss tool and that protect during heal one, i do have some rosaries i havent picked up but thats because i dont wanna fight ant enemies, beside that i also haven tkilled ceiling boss above the bone bottom but grabbed the mask shard and also the red ant boss, i got 2 mask shards as of now

[stable narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1465991596268060746/image0.gif

[minor sparrow]

Accounting for nail modifiers?

[tight viper]

It's hard, but it's not unfair

[desert horizon]

Oh I forgot that I'm locked out of that cursed gms ending on this save

[toxic vigil]

early game is harder than lategame

[minor sparrow]

How so?

[desert horizon]

Ig that would make sense if im in act 3

[tight viper]

I believe that's how the hp buffs are determined

[tight viper]

that doesn't make it unfair

[still osprey]

Early game silksong is kinda fucked but it's not unfair by any means

[spiral wedge]

wait does the mist dissapear after killing phantom

[toxic vigil]

early game shouldn't be harder in a whole story

[still osprey]

I mean, that's just the nature of getting upgrades

[spiral wedge]

oh thats good, i was about to say why the fuck is it suggesting that route for couriers

[minor sparrow]

Well it has more to do with scaling tbh, which is a bit of a tricky thing

[undone gate]

I found early game Silksong mostly easy other than like Hunters March, Widow and Last Judge which were moderate in difficulty

[toxic vigil]

id rather fight trobbio with the same equipment as moorwing

[toxic vigil]

for me it was moorwing that fucked me up

[tight viper]

I think it makes sense for Silksong, Hornet starts off incredibly weak and trapped in an unfamiliar land. By the late game, she's regained her strength and then some, and she's learned the landscape

[desert horizon]

Hunters march is completely optional to progress though isn't it

[ancient mortar]

hmm, well the item i was gonnna reccomend requires fighting some ants, in the hunters march region theres a vendor hidden behind a fake wall that sells a boomerang which does incredible damage and a fractured mask charm that will save you from a lethal blow nomatter how much damage it would have dealt. Its very useful, it can only save you once before you have to rest at a bench though but its saved me enough times its really reduced early game frustration and helps all the way into endgame.

[undone gate]

Yea

[tight viper]

Also Cross Stitch exists and that's not obtained for a decent while

[toxic vigil]

why should a person struggle on bell beast more than lace 2 or gms on their first playthrough

[ancient mortar]

cross stitch makes the game so much easier once youve learned it

[minor sparrow]

Moorwing is a decent wall for some players and has an assist for the player if they're having too much trouble

[undone gate]

Moorwing is also fully optional and even otherwise if you get the rhythm of jumping and slashing he isin't that hard

[turbid verge]

do they each cost 100+ rosaries tho,i cant keep rosaries i swear

[tight viper]

Who the hell is struggling with Bell Beast more than Lace 2 on a first playthrough lol

[toxic vigil]

its kinda mandatory in a 1st time playthorugh

[tight viper]

If you said Moorwing, that would be one thing

[toxic vigil]

[undone gate]

You can skip Moorwing in 2 different ways

[minor sparrow]

It's also optional, but also stands before the game cracks itself open

[minor sparrow]

I know

[ancient mortar]

they cost more than 100+ if you are struggling to keep rosaries id reccomend putting them on strings so you don't lose them on death. can be done at any merchant or a machine near the start of greymoor.

[tight viper]

But Bell Beast is not the hardest part of the early game

You might die to it a few times since you're not used to the double damage yet, but it's a very slow boss that dies fairly quickly

[turbid verge]

bold of you to think i can keep 80 before stringing them up, lol

[undone gate]

I would say Widow and Last Judge are the hardest important mostly mandatory parts of Act 1

[tight viper]

Widow's a doozy, yeah

[toxic vigil]

widow wasn't bad

[desert horizon]

Widow is the hardest early game boss imo

[ancient mortar]

can always farm easy enemies for them, the moss village near where you first meet shakra is a good place to start early game.

[minor sparrow]

Bell beast should not be clearing you lol. It's MMC+

[toxic vigil]

yeah the double damage is too early

[tight viper]

It isn't

[toxic vigil]

mmc has knockback

[ancient mortar]

Widow is probably the most challenging act one boss next to judge yeah. shes a great turning point in the difficulty imo

[desert horizon]

Last judge was up there but not as hard as widow I think

[tight viper]

Skull brutes exist and they do double damage

[minor sparrow]

Hence the+

[stable narwhal]

the skull spider thingy was already doing double damage

[undone gate]

Double Damage is early to teach you to dodge attacks because otherwise you can face tank everything with how OP the heal is

[toxic vigil]

you need to do average of 6 hits to get 1 hit
in hk that was 3

[tight viper]

It's good to have double damage understood as a consistent thing by this time. Bell Beast helps with that

[ancient mortar]

needle strike is useful againt any burrowing boss

any boss that spends time offscreen

[toxic vigil]

id rather have hk heal +1 dmg than double + sk heal

[tight viper]

ok

Doesn't make the early game unfair tho

[minor sparrow]

Ok, that's a preference thing but what does that have to do with the difficulty of sk

[ancient mortar]

It was harder to heal in hk i kinda liked that

finding openings i mea

[stable narwhal]

im ngl double damage still psychologically scares me in early game

[ancient mortar]

especially in stuff like nkg

[stable narwhal]

it feels like being slapped on the face

[turbid verge]

ty

[toxic vigil]

double damage is too early and fucks up the game balance because
lost lace and bell beast
both do 2 masks
what the fuck?

[undone gate]

Yea healing in almost every attack of NKG is fun

[minor sparrow]

TC is gonna go back and patch hk bosses to do more damage just so sk players feel more at home

[desert horizon]

Isn't there an enemy in hk that does double damage in like one of the first rooms in crossroads

[ancient mortar]

Injector pin really took away any need to learn heal windows. its all silk management now

[undone gate]

Also remember in HK the Husk Guard and Absolute Radiance both deal double damage

[toxic vigil]

yeah but its optional for a grub

[desert horizon]

Still though

[toxic vigil]

husk guard is optional for a grub
the next thing you find is in city of tears

[desert horizon]

A new player wouldn't know that

[stable narwhal]

home sweet home (gets mauled by double damage aspid)

[tight viper]

Soul Tyrant and Soul Master both do 1 mask of damage

[minor sparrow]

Counterpoint: double damage is not too early as hornet has a very versatile heal and getting punished with double damage emphasizes the need for positioning

[toxic vigil]

soul tyrant can be fought 2 seconds after soul master

[undone gate]

There is one on the path to False Knight and next one is like Fungal Wates Explotion enemy

[toxic vigil]

the heal is good but its expensive
9 for 3 is same as 3 for 1

[tight viper]

You're not fighting Soul Tyrant 2 seconds after Soul Master in a first playthrough unless you're RTGame

[undone gate]

Damage Modifiers

[toxic vigil]

oh that does double dmg??

[minor sparrow]

Nail modifiers

[tight viper]

Also doesn't THK do mostly 1 mask of damage?

[undone gate]

Yea every explotion in HK is double damage

[toxic vigil]

you can get dream nail before soul master and see the body have dream particles when you go below it

[tight viper]

With only like 1 attack doing 2 masks

[desert horizon]

Don't all the explosions in hk do 2 masks

[toxic vigil]

i never got hit by it

[minor sparrow]

They're listed on the wiki if you're curious @earnest drift

[undone gate]

That was changed in the Lifeblood Update

[odd hull]

I wouldn't

[toxic vigil]

pillars do 2 but yeah

honestly hk healing was more fun

[tight viper]

You can, but most people won't fight it. They might try, and they'll realize "holy hell I am not ready for this". Not everyone, but most

[minor sparrow]

Hard disagree but to each their own

[stable narwhal]

i play hk to chill

[sharp slate]

healing in too easy in silksong imo, i dont like the healing in either

[stable narwhal]

i play sk when i need a bit of dopamine

[desert horizon]

white defender and gpz are the hardest bosses because they are the only ones who do 5 or more masks of damage

[sharp slate]

fun fact you are doing the same but in the air

[tight viper]

Consistent double damage in SK is a must because of how the heal works. This of course makes the early game more difficult, but it is objectively not unfair in its difficulty.

If it was, it wouldn't be this highly praised

[toxic vigil]

yeah because soul tyrant is a harder rematch

[sharp slate]

everything doing double damage so is it really 3 masks xD

[ancient mortar]

The one plus side is it made nohits more interesting, as fights were balanced around you being able to a TON of hits and healing them, which makes nohits more challenging.

[toxic vigil]

lowk on replays its fine
I STILL STRUGGLE TO MOORWING MORE THAN ACT 3 BOSSES

[minor sparrow]

Yeah, if you don't get hit

[tight viper]

skill issue tbh

[toxic vigil]

like 😭
double dmg vs 2 masks

[desert horizon]

You still gain more masks faster than in hk

[sharp slate]

how does healing change no hits?

[toxic vigil]

its not a skill issue if i am that good at other stuff, just unfairness

[minor sparrow]

Plus I like the way sk has incorporated healing into more mechanics than just healing

[desert horizon]

...read the message

[undone gate]

Yea in HK half of the fight is healing and the other half is fighting while in Silksong it's mostly staying aggressive and fighting

[tight viper]

it is though, lol.

If you struggle at Moorwing more than you struggle at Karmelita, that's just a skill issue. Not the game being unfair

[odd hull]

how

[sharp slate]

they are implying that healing windows for silksong made no hits more intresting

[tight viper]

Considering the fact that you've replayed the game

[minor sparrow]

I'm sorry you think moorwing is unfair?

[sharp slate]

i dont see how that is

[tight viper]

Also, Moorwing was nerfed

[toxic vigil]

because i actually have some upgrades for karmelita unlike moorwing

[tight viper]

How the hell would it still be unfair

[toxic vigil]

yeah THANK GOD

[minor sparrow]

Humorous

[tight viper]

You can skip Moorwing, and there are upgrades you can get before Moorwing

[sharp slate]

no hits are more intresting because silksong is more challenging but thats not due to the healing mechanic

thats due to it being a sequal

[toxic vigil]

on a 1st playthrough that is not likely to happen unless fleas

[tight viper]

You can get the Fractured Mask, Threadstorm, extra spools...

[desert horizon]

..yeah because SS bosses let you face tank more hits and easily heal it back which doesn't really make you dodge them, so no hitting them is a different experience in that regard

[odd hull]

Still, he's an alright fight

[tight viper]

Curveclaw, Sting Shard, Warding Bell, fucking GARMOND and ZAZA

[toxic vigil]

ii had threadstorm, and 1 spool i think
2 reds

[undone gate]

Act 1 has 25 tools and so many people finish it with less than 10 tools

[tight viper]

My friend, Moorwing is the opposite of unfair

[toxic vigil]

garmond and zaza help

[sharp slate]

i honestly dont see it still, took plenty of hits to hk bosses and healed just like in silksong

[minor sparrow]

No they're saying the fact that you can heal a ton makes no hit more interesting as bosses are more aggressive

[undone gate]

It has 3 spools

[ancient mortar]

Its about balancing, because the heals are so strong they design the bosses to have hard to avoid moves, expecting the players get hit more and be able to heal it.

[toxic vigil]

i still think that considering what you have at the time, moorwing > karmelita

[toxic vigil]

?

[sharp slate]

thats not due to the healing mechanic though, thats due to the game being desinged to be more difficulty

[tight viper]

I know a fair number of people did Flea route in their first playthrough, I was one of them

[desert horizon]

The point is no hitting doesn't let you face tank hits

[toxic vigil]

thats why i said unless fleas

[desert horizon]

Which is different than what you're used to

[undone gate]

Technically to get one Spool Fragment you have to get sent to the slab but otherwise there are 5 spool fragments in Act 1

[minor sparrow]

The game is built around what the player can do, so I could see their side

[ancient mortar]

In a game like, for example mio. which has a low health pool and no healing, its significantly easier to dodge attacks, to keep things fair for the average player, making nohitting bosses generally easier as the attacks are balanced around being easier to dodge than a game where you have a lot of healing features.

[toxic vigil]

we were talking before moorwing

[sharp slate]

Fair i guess, but i think its more due to silksong being a sequal than the healing mechanic itself

[tight viper]

Well yeah that's the only way anyone would realistically skip Moorwing in a first playthrough, but that doesn't affect what upgrades you'd have for the regular Act 1 Moorwing fight

[stable narwhal]

is moorwing a bird or a moth

[desert horizon]

Both

[toxic vigil]

yeah...

[tight viper]

it's a mite-beast

[minor sparrow]

Neither, actually

[sharp slate]

i think healing mechanic allowed them to shove ALOT more double damage into the game for basic enemies and bosses

[toxic vigil]

winged mite

[stable narwhal]

a mite?

[sharp slate]

more than affecting their aggression

[stable narwhal]

ewwwwww

[toxic vigil]

i think its fair later on when you get like
7 masks?

[fickle valley]

I always thought that Moorwing isn’t that hard tbh

[undone gate]

Even then Moorwing just gets countered by jumping and slashes twice in repeated succession while dashing back when he attacks

[stable narwhal]

thank god winged mites arent real

[desert horizon]

i tried saying moth with a b for bird and just said both 😭😭😭

[tight viper]

You can find 6 mask shards in Act 1 by default

[spiral wedge]

i fucking hate fetch quests man oh my god

[tight viper]

I'm pretty sure you can find 4 before Moorwing as well

[fickle valley]

Definitely not an easy boss fight but i wouldn’t call it really hard

[sharp slate]

yea i agree, just intresting how alot of basic enemies even have double damage attacks in skong, thats what i would cite as part of the reason for increased healing mechanic

[orchid spruce]

insert I defeated Moorwing on release hubris

[spiral wedge]

why are we locking base progression behind flower quest 2.0 lol what are we thinking

[sharp slate]

would you like to collect a bunch of fin pins

[ancient mortar]

generally what im saying is the stronger the healing system the more leeway it gives devs to make attacks harder to dodge while still having the game be fair, making it feel doable for less skilled players but maintaining the skill cieling for those who want to nohit, rather than having a weaker healing system and easier to dodge attacks which makes nohitting easier. Generally games with more generous health regen/healthbar sizes are way harder to nohit, like everhood my fave game, because it has such generous health regen, it lets the devs go crazy on the complexity of attacks, making nohitting them a way vaster jump in difficulty (and also more fun/challenging)

[minor sparrow]

We aren't the deltarune fandom, we not doing that

[desert horizon]

What was the saddest part of the game for everyone

[tight viper]

Rasher is nowhere near as hard as Flower

[toxic vigil]

only if you return to do the marrow with dash instead of continuing

[spiral wedge]

disagree

[sharp slate]

Fair I can see it I guess

[minor sparrow]

Breaking the rasher because of that stupid fucking lip in Grand bellway

[tight viper]

It's a Metroidvania, revisiting areas with new skills and shit is part of the intended experience

[tight viper]

How many times have you done either

[sharp slate]

Not gonna lie i think flower quest is easier than rasher if you just take your time

[spiral wedge]

ive done flower like 3-4 times, doing rasher rn

[toxic vigil]

yeah fair but usally you would try to get a few upgrades and then revisit stuff

[minor sparrow]

Rasher is honestly kinda neat for me, not as boring as flower

[spiral wedge]

i broke rasher because of a small hole in the choral chamber room

[desert horizon]

Idek where this is since I think I took a funny route

[tight viper]

You'll change your views on it in hindsight, almost everyone does

[minor sparrow]

And it just isn't that bad

[spiral wedge]

like why man what is the point

[sharp slate]

rasher is much better desinged though

[turbid verge]

these are all in hunter march so should i beat red ant boss ? also i dont have hk1 pogo , do i need simple key for that ?

[spiral wedge]

lmao even

[orchid spruce]

Silksong has quite little backtracking Out of the metroidvanias I've played, it only has more backtracking than ... Nine Sols, which is a low bar

[minor sparrow]

I think I did rather second attempt after using first to figure out my routing

[desert horizon]

I know some ppl that go through bilewater for the rasher

[minor sparrow]

I do

[ancient mortar]

Hk1 pogo can be gotten through a simple key i think, and yes you gotta beat the big ant guy but hes probably a bit easier now with your movement abilities.

[sharp slate]

cool people go through wisp thicket for rasher

[toxic vigil]

its got a bit if you miss drifter's cloak in act 1

[minor sparrow]

Wait no I don't

[tight viper]

Getting a dash is a major upgrade, it's fair to assume a random player would try revisiting something they noticed earlier after obtaining it

[minor sparrow]

Wtf am I talking about lol, I go through organ

[turbid verge]

where can i find a simple key ? shop one is expensive af

[undone gate]

I find Silksong Hunter Pogo better than HK pogo

[toxic vigil]

okay still you can =/= you have

[sharp slate]

i would be curious to see how many people missed drifters and went through wormways on a first playthrough

[ancient mortar]

I also prefer it but they were asking about the wanderer pogo

[odd hull]

100%

[undone gate]

That's the only one you have quick access to the other one is in Sinners Road which is close to the end of Act 1

[quartz roost]

Hopefully not many

[minor sparrow]

Probably not that many

[fickle valley]

Cooler people go through blasted step and they do Last Judge along the way

[sharp slate]

i like hunter pogo but not for hitless, cool tech bad for consistency imo

[minor sparrow]

Especially because of dash being in that area between docks, fields and march

[tight viper]

You haven't, maybe. I'm sure that the vast majority of players revisited at least one thing after getting Swift Step. Maybe Hunter's March, maybe Wormways, maybe upper Bone Bottom

[minor sparrow]

Just like, go right

[ancient mortar]

I didn't have much issue with it in my nohits, just took some practice to get consistent with it.