sk-discussion

[orchid spruce]

I have, like three playthroughs

[hallow lodge]

gotta agree with you

[lavish apex]

flying nosk also sucks pretty hard, most other warrior dreams are also kinda bad

[light swan]

this is coming from the person who did mio's demo bosses nohit twice

[orchid spruce]

INARI story also reeks PEAK character development

[undone gate]

Where did you play the demo from

[orchid spruce]

I will wait for its release

[lavish apex]

but i also think the warrior dreams are mostly inoffensive

[light swan]

inari is gonna be the turnaround for reaper crest users

[orchid spruce]

the kickstarter page, it's not available anymore tho

[lavish apex]

oblobbles and flukemarm also suck

[orchid spruce]

i think i still have it, i can send you if you want

[quartz gulch]

Uumuu is decent though, as its a unique gimmick in the pantheons. I dislike the rng, but I do like how it functions as a boss. I absolutely hate Marmu though, less than trash.

[lavish apex]

that's about it, i think everyone else in hk1 is either fine or varying levels of good

[leaden delta]

no no no let’s also not gas up hk

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[quartz gulch]

Flukemarm is decent imo, not very unique but at least not obnoxious. A boss can be simple AND good, but only if they don't piss me off.

[leaden delta]

for the record I think uumuu is bottom 2 with marmu

[light swan]

god tamer 🤮

[lavish apex]

god tamer is mid yeah

[leaden delta]

they are uniquely ass

[light swan]

hold on i complained about them at some point once

[exotic dome]

i hate marmu

[quartz gulch]

Nah, Winged Nosk, Elder Hu, Markoth, Marmu, Obblobbles beat it by miles.

I like Uumuu even, if the rng is in my favour.

[exotic dome]

elder hu is not that bad it's kinda mid

[quartz gulch]

But I also like Groal the Great, so idk.

[exotic dome]

other are ass

[light swan]

For the last boss, we’ll look at God Tamer, a boss that actually doesn’t pull off its attack synergy well. The God Tamer is a warrior who has tamed a beast to use in battle under her control, which is a unique concept that gives her an identity. The God Tamer only has a jumping attack which lands with a slash, and the beast has two attacks: spitting acid and rolling at the player. After the roll, the beast bounces back and lands on where the player last was. The roll affects the ground area, making the player jump into the air or commit to a dash, and the bounce controls the air, making the player not stay too high up. The acid controls the player’s spacing and keeps the player aware of where they land, and the God Tamer’s jumps constantly keep the player moving and introduces another factor to keep track of.

These attacks limit the player’s movements and require the player to maneuver around masterfully, fitting for a boss that was able to tame that massive beast. Now, after I used the Watcher Knights and Nosk as an example before, you might be able to see similarities between the God Tamer and these two bosses. The rolls of both the God Tamer and the Watcher Knights are exactly the same, and the God Tamer even has the bounce that matches with the Watcher Knight’s jump. The acid spit on the other hand has the same pattern and function as Nosk’s acid spit, limiting ground movement and making sure the player is aware of their surroundings. The God Tamer feeds off of the successes of other bosses, and rather than learning what the Watcher Knights and Nosk do well and changing, it ends up being too similar in attacks. The boss might work as a standalone boss but in a game full of other bosses, it ends up lacking its own identity.

[quartz gulch]

I fucking hate the times were I get FIVE FUCKING ATTACKS WHERE HE ISN'T EVEN THERE.

[light swan]

this is about identity in bosses and not about how the boss is actually shit but its ok

[exotic dome]

i used to hate god tamer so much

[lavish apex]

good hk1 bosses are both hornets, mantis lords, every dreamatch/gpz, hk, radiance, both grimms, soul master, every godhome boss except flying nosk

[light swan]

used to?

[exotic dome]

i still hate it but i'm burned out on hating them

[orchid spruce]

god tamer is like textbook mid and nonexistent

[light swan]

valid

[leaden delta]

aight here I have this

[orchid spruce]

mid in the context of hk, which means it's overall bad

[light swan]

lost kin too low

[exotic dome]

when i was trying p5 i used to insult god tamer at every end of my sentence when i was talking with friends

[timid sky]

golden sigma

[orchid spruce]

nice

[lavish apex]

also dung defender hive knight watcher knights

[leaden delta]

I also would probably move pv down a tier

[quartz gulch]

I have my gripes with Lost Kin though. Specifically that:
1). Balloons spawn while staggered, which literally makes the stagger useless
2). Balloons cana push Lost Kin while it is staggered, which is how I lost health in one of my Pantheon runs

[timid sky]

Defeated ||ancile and targa|| first try today, first first try boss

[timid sky]

Oh and also ||terror of the ledge||

[exotic dome]

golden mario

[orchid spruce]

slop filler boss

[timid sky]

Can't forget it, it's so ominous

[still osprey]

Solid list I just think radabsrad ruined absrad for me personally

[timid sky]

Yeah it's just ||egis squared||

[orchid spruce]

wtf is ||terror of the ledge||

[leaden delta]

My issue with lk is just it also has too little to do and I feel it more, esp since it loses headbang
also not the moooooost interesting challenge boss. but I agree lk is one of the good fights

[light swan]

GGS its so difficult

[light swan]

scariest boss in the game

[still osprey]

also based GPZ in top tier

[lavish apex]

pv down a tier with collector in that one is fucking rancid

[exotic dome]

i think i never one tried any mio boss

[timid sky]

You know that one hammer enemy near l2 apartments

[leaden delta]

imo hornet 2 is just a better executed lk

[still osprey]

I love GPZ

[orchid spruce]

ur not helping!!!

[leaden delta]

challenge runs collector is op as shit and I consider that

[timid sky]

truke nuke

[orchid spruce]

no... if i forgot it, it must have been mid

[still osprey]

I don't have an hk only bosses tier list but here is my hk+ss one

[light swan]

A&T holds a special place in my heart since theyre making me learn how to make phonk yt shorts edits

[lavish apex]

also outside of story context pv is just purely better hk

second hardest boss under normal conditions with literally nothing unfair about them and extremely fun attacks

[strange knot]

Yay my Celeste run got verified:D
im 4082nd

[lavish apex]

they will never not be my ultimate goat

they also play with shade cloak in the most interesting way

[exotic dome]

ggs

[strange knot]

Btw I think it’s fate I got verified by someone who has omori pfp gotta finish omori now

[light swan]

i dont like how the triple slash hits behidn them, thats pretty unfair

forces me to shade dash pretty much

[lavish apex]

that's

[light swan]

i was probably just bad at the game actually

[lavish apex]

a skill issue

[exotic dome]

yay tierslop time

[light swan]

yea

[lavish apex]

you do not have to shade dash that attack

[leaden delta]

I also disagree in that I think thk is the more interesting fight, it’s just easier

[lavish apex]

you just need a precise pogo

[orchid spruce]

TIERSLOP TIME

[exotic dome]

youre bad and you will never invent any combat tech in the next game

[light swan]

i didnt do anything impressive in hk

[leaden delta]

I like the ideas more. maybe if the like orb spitting out attack was more interactive

[strange knot]

My indies tier list I guess

[lavish apex]

i don't think there's anything mechanically super fun about thk

[leaden delta]

Not pale prince though

[light swan]

what changed between mio and blasphemous 2

[lavish apex]

i guess the slamspam attack is cool

[exotic dome]

thk has the best music

[light swan]

TRUE

[timid sky]

My experience with every boss so far in MIO

[orchid spruce]

blasphemous 2 experienced time sink

[lavish apex]

that's true yeah sealed vessel is better

[light swan]

....you really just gonna spoil the rest of the bosses for yourself?

[orchid spruce]

and i hated how the dlc was implemented, it affects the base game

[light swan]

😔

[leaden delta]

I just think the attacks are conceptually more fun

[exotic dome]

(mio spoi) ||atmos|| took me 14 tries too for some reason

[leaden delta]

and thk also has more variety

[lavish apex]

thk isn't a bad boss mechanically or anything they just aren't within 500 miles of pv on the fun scale

[leaden delta]

mm

[light swan]

sealed vessel is the best theme in the series by far

[timid sky]

I'm impatient

[light swan]

with bilewater at a far second

[orchid spruce]

keep your expectations low for ||Shii|| btw (Mio major spoiler)

[light swan]

those are PLOT TWISTS 😭

[exotic dome]

thk actually made me equip quickslash, i didnt care about it up until that point idk why

[leaden delta]

actually it’s kinda close? I think I still prefer the thk attacks over pv tho. but you’d combine them ideally

more variance in thk and I value that

[light swan]

still my favorite bossfight of all time but obviously i have bad taste

[lavish apex]

thk has maybe 1 more attack

[orchid spruce]

you really do

[lavish apex]

the bullet hell one is ass

[orchid spruce]

but it's a really good boss if not the ||pathetic hp bar||

[exotic dome]

bullet hell is just zango with more aura yeah

[lavish apex]

actually does thk have an equivalent to the focus one

i don't think it does

[light swan]

look i already got the boss buffed once its the best i can do

[lavish apex]

so they have the same amount of attacks i'm pretty sure

except pv is way faster

and actually punishing

[leaden delta]

yeaahhhhh. thats why I wish it was different

[lavish apex]

and that makes them interact with shade dash in really interesting ways

[light swan]

cant you and bwb and some others go and create a massive petition to buff the boss again

[leaden delta]

ok yes! but conceptually I like thk more that’s the convo!

[light swan]

clearly ive done my best

yall are lucky yall see phase 2 in the first place

[lavish apex]

i mean i don't get it but to each their own

[toxic vigil]

Why are they called forebrothers if one of them is clearly non binary? Is team cherry transphobic?

[leaden delta]

I think if the bullets were more in a wave motion possibly? or had a more defined pattern + smaller hitbox to reward learning to dodge the pattern

[light swan]

can we talk about how silksong completely copied xenoblade with memory lockets

[leaden delta]

I want someone to make a thk mod now shit

[light swan]

i wanna learn crest modding

[exotic dome]

wokesiblings sigma and grok

[toxic vigil]

💔 controversial silk post i suppose

[exotic dome]

#NotVeryWokeOfYou

[lavish apex]

i am the biggest pure vessel glazer of all time and i doubt any 2d boss could ever dethrone them in my heart

maybe silksong dlc will get there though who knows

[toxic vigil]

pv is cool

[lavish apex]

explain

[exotic dome]

pv might be the best rematch if it's counted as a rematch

[light swan]

memory lockets were in xenoblade first so therefore silksong copied memory lockets

[orchid spruce]

true

[lavish apex]

do you

[light swan]

nope!

[lavish apex]

mean like the accessory in 3?

[light swan]

oh, yes!

[lavish apex]

i thought you were talking about something that was mechanically similar and i had no idea what that could possibly be referring to

[toxic vigil]

hunter is cool asf

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

i love merc more

[toxic vigil]

i love the focus

[exotic cedar]

stupidyi army

[orchid spruce]

stupidyi skin, download NOW from thunderstore

[lavish apex]

i think the closest thing that remotely resembles a problem i have with pv is that the void tendrils attack is kinda lame but it still forces a different response than anything else they do so it's like fine

[light swan]

the problem with pv is that its not sentinel

[orchid spruce]

the problem with pv is rune rage

[fiery burrow]

biggest problem with PV is that its in g*dhome

[lavish apex]

also true, should have been in path of pain

[exotic dome]

slophome...

[orchid spruce]

you have to do pop every pv attempt

hollowslop if it was good

[lavish apex]

no just put a bench there

[exotic dome]

with bench it would be so cool

tc should redo their games

[toxic vigil]

hornet in hk was a great boss in my opinion

[orchid spruce]

decent boss

[exotic dome]

i like the aesthetics in second fight so much

i like the wind effect

[light swan]

ikr, calderon is so fun

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/q3AZalK8gwj.gif

[quartz gulch]

I made a pretty subjective and not-to-date tier (didn't fight some of these in a while) list, what do you think? Also, this isn't ragebait in case anyone thinks it is.

[orchid spruce]

i didnt like toolslop of the second fight

[exotic dome]

when the furnace is yielding

[orchid spruce]

but i didnt mind

[exotic dome]

sorry unyielding

[light swan]

when the furnace doesnt yield

[fiery burrow]

soul warrior as a common enemy this is ragebait

[light swan]

lost kin is too low, ragebait

[quartz gulch]

He's as much a boss as Choir Clappers.

[exotic dome]

yay crawfather glaze

[orchid spruce]

midfather

[quartz gulch]

Fuck you

[orchid spruce]

husband of midwife

[quartz gulch]

/s btw

[fiery burrow]

If Choir Clappers was presented as a boss I'd buy it

Anyway Signis and Gron glaze is based

[trim estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-vent-horse-flipping-off-horse-middle-finger-middle-finger-gif-3042883306930952990

[orchid spruce]

addslop

[fiery burrow]

there's like one wave of adds

in a game where enemy combat is fun

[light swan]

i have too manby games i need to replay

[orchid spruce]

which somehow is still so bad it ends up being slop

[light swan]

theyre all long games

[fiery burrow]

???

[exotic dome]

i would replace double clappers with this guys idea

[orchid spruce]

stop self-sabotaging, game devs. stop adding nonsense adds into your bosses.

[trim estuary]

dude i’m sorry but if the enemy combat in silksong is slop then the whole game is slop

[quartz gulch]

Put Subway surfers in the corner and you'll be alright.

[orchid spruce]

why are you doing this to yourself

[exotic dome]

how many summon bosses are there in sk

[quartz gulch]

Actually Peak suggestion.

[toxic vigil]

Hello ( again )

[exotic dome]

hi

[odd hull]

I would hate high walls even more

[quartz gulch]

Technically a lot, but the only REAL summon boss is Father of the Flame.

[fiery burrow]

OK lowk would Lost Lace be good if it summoned a weak version of Skull Tyrant and you had to kill it before a timer runs out or else you die

[trim estuary]

that’s a slippery slope. next thing you know we’re going to have smokerock musketeers lined up because silksong is now an rts

[quartz gulch]

Where the main thing is summoning

[fiery burrow]

I feel like a DPS check would save the fight

[light swan]

dps check would be zango

[fiery burrow]

TRUE

[still osprey]

Craggler in Common Enemy but Huge Flea and Skarrgards ranked normally 😭 🙏

[quartz gulch]

No? Why the fuck would skull tyrant, taking up a third of the arena be good?

[trim estuary]

Well it would be better than Lace 3

[exotic dome]

lost lace would be good if her void attacks dealt 5 damage

[hallow lodge]

how will that work

[light swan]

have you tried it?

[quartz gulch]

Wait fuck, I missed the Skarr Guards. Huge Flea is alright where it is though.

[quartz gulch]

Lost Lace is hard as is.

[light swan]

its abot fun, not difficulty

[quartz gulch]

She should get less projectiles and more pin attacks.

[trim estuary]

TRUE

[quartz gulch]

Which is why I find none of the modded bosses looking particularly fun.

[still osprey]

You can't consider Huge Flea a boss and not Soul Warrior 😭

[wanton night]

hey ya'll i've been playing sk for a while and i still don't feel very in tune with the gameplay

[quartz gulch]

I'll do a slight fix, hold up.

[hallow lodge]

emphasis on the void elements are more appropriate for the final battle imo

[wanton night]

i feel like since it took me a lot longer to beat the first game, i had a lot of time to become good at it

[light swan]

have you played them?

[wanton night]

but i still die in stupid ways

[fiery burrow]

She'd summon a weak version of Skull Tyrant and you have to kill it before a timer runs out or else she does an instakill attack

[wanton night]

no spoilers btw since i'm still playing

[exotic dome]

spoilers are allowed here

[fiery burrow]

Would give the fight a more unique identity

[trim estuary]

this is the spoiler chat

[still osprey]

I'd recommend going to #sk-help if you don't want spoilers

[fiery burrow]

Also area denial is good boss design in a platformer

[wanton night]

okay thanks

[hallow lodge]

hornet aborts her baby in season 2 ep 6

[wanton night]

omg no way

[fiery burrow]

like imagine if you had to use tools for the DPS check

[leaden delta]

yea the ss boss mods don’t seem that interesting overall

[fiery burrow]

would give so much more depth to the combat

[leaden delta]

I like only like loommother really

[exotic dome]

loommother?

[light swan]

awakened gms is still the goat

i prefer fun bosses over bosses that simply look cool

even tho loommother gets PROMETHEUSSSSS it just looks like lame bullet hell and very unpolished

[toxic vigil]

i really want to talk about sk but i don't know what about

[quartz gulch]

Nope, but I can still judge. Also, on console rn.

[exotic dome]

awakened gms is in the vanilla game you just need to believe it

[quartz gulch]

It seems a bit overdone though.

[leaden delta]

platforming

[leaden delta]

Ugh I find it so hard to be like positive about silksong right. cause I can be talking about hollow knight instead

[quartz gulch]

My Tier List.

[exotic dome]

lost lace is almost perfect

[leaden delta]

but! Silksong has hunter and that’s the one part of the game I don’t have anything against I love hunters crest

[light swan]

reverse lace

what do you have against the other crests

[leaden delta]

not particularly anything I just don’t find any of the other ones interesting

[light swan]

aw :(

[leaden delta]

both fighting wise (personal preference mostly in what I like) and platforming wise (they’re all the fucking same)

[light swan]

my appreciation for witch crest is immeasurable

[exotic dome]

platforming wise some of them are obviously better than some others

[quartz gulch]

Did you try every single one? Because it doesn't sound so if you consider them equal to that degree.

[light swan]

architect is the best cuz it has the most range and the most control

[leaden delta]

to be fair I also just like generally don’t like silksong’s combat system toooo much? I play toolless nowadays if I do stuff

[orchid spruce]

im bored so i will post another tierslop again

MAJOR spoilers for: nine sols spoiler, mio spoiler, blasphemous 2 spoiler

[toxic vigil]

honestly
i like sk platforming more in abilities, but less in the sections itself

[leaden delta]

OK MAPPING WISE. MAKING PLATFORMING

clarification

[exotic dome]

same, but we don't have a pop yet so

[leaden delta]

hunter and beast r the only meaningfully different ones and beast pogo feels more limiting than interesting

[quartz gulch]

My take is that Silksong is better than Hollow Knight in every way, EXCEPT for the story. Also, I like them both equally anyway.

[light swan]

surprised to see ||benedicto and nabuu|| so high

[leaden delta]

ily hunter pogo that shit is actually cool

[toxic vigil]

architect pogo is annoying bc its slow

[hallow lodge]

ppl who use beast for platforming scare me

[novel current]

Same

[exotic dome]

beast in platofrming is not rhat hard

[toxic vigil]

hunter pogo is like ok.
it is cool it goes down fast

[orchid spruce]

bubuu is honestly only there for the virtue of i remembering him

[leaden delta]

and is about the only thing I care about frankly

[untold oxide]

i decided to do the last part of mr mushroom's quest using architect crest

[orchid spruce]

i might need to redo the list

[light swan]

honestly most/all of blasphemous 2's bosses are like, pretty mid so far

[hallow lodge]

fair

[light swan]

only a tad bit better than afterimage bosses

[still osprey]

Hunter is so awesome I love you Hunter Crest

[wanton nimbus]

hi chat
lace x hornet
have a good day

[orchid spruce]

its like the definition of mid but at least very inoffensive except one adslop

[light swan]

i cant tell if itsb ecause the combat system is mid or if the bosses themselves are mid or both

[leaden delta]

yes and it functions as a pseudo dive which I think is desperately needed for platforming!

that’s like my single issue with mapping hk

[quartz gulch]

Mods or not?

[harsh yarrow]

@opaque sigil So you commented on Lace 1s Cross Slash being pretty non threatening?
Fixed that :3

[wanton nimbus]

ship

[orchid spruce]

||peakterno|| will probably land an A tier on your list at least imo

[light swan]

i dont have a list

[exotic cedar]

I should stop clicking on random spoilers

[orchid spruce]

imagine you do

[exotic cedar]

Ok that's nice

He deserved it 😡

[wanton nimbus]

lmao

[hallow lodge]

this is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[light swan]

idk if itll geti nto my top 5

do you think its better than pure vesesl

[orchid spruce]

i only promise it being a tier

[orchid spruce]

yes easily

[light swan]

ok its probably top 5

but idk

we know i have really good tatse

[quartz gulch]

I don't agree either, just giving them a heads up.

[light swan]

my favorite b2 boss so far is still lace 4

[orchid spruce]

lace 4

||orospina||?

[quartz gulch]

My favourite boss is Sherma the Star.

[exotic dome]

is it o

[quartz gulch]

And Clearriver Xero.

[exotic dome]

ben is my fav so far

[orchid spruce]

i first tried the boss but still really liked the design

tf is ben bro

[exotic dome]

||benedicta||

[light swan]

ben the dict O

[leaden delta]

I think the platforming is worse yes. uhm honestly I like hk more, esp when considering glitches and stuff (slopeballs for example)

[light swan]

its aight

[orchid spruce]

ah yah that one is the second best in the game imho

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-ben-says-saying-no-outfit7-gif-24967985

[light swan]

on the higher end

[orchid spruce]

||peakterno|| is such an obvious winner

the gap between ||peakterno|| and ||benedicto|| is like the gap between ||eggnog|| and ||jiequan||

[exotic dome]

i probably havent fought them so not clicking

[lavish apex]

not even slightly imo

[light swan]

the duality of mankind

[hallow lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-yuorki-egyptian-speed-funny-gif-6210991462615795229

[lavish apex]

it's a good ass fight though

definitely the best one in either blasphemous game

[orchid spruce]

it's 100% better than pv

[lavish apex]

not even remotely

[orchid spruce]

for me at least

[hallow lodge]

duality of man

[exotic dome]

choose your path

[orchid spruce]

chad towel vs chud blebbles fr

[lavish apex]

2's health system makes it pretty easy to just brute force it and actually dodging the individual attacks isn't super interesting

[orchid spruce]

see, i parried the attacks, so everything is elite level of fun

have you tried parrying

[exotic dome]

scrounge and karmelita is a cheese weapon

[lavish apex]

parrying feels worse

[hallow lodge]

who are we comparing pv to

[orchid spruce]

parrying in that fight is sublime

you don't understand peak

[lavish apex]

||eviterno|| blasphemous 2

i like it a lot but it doesn't even come close to pv

[orchid spruce]

you just need to react

and parry, oh god feelsgood

[lavish apex]

part of that is probably just my general preference for hk combat and gamefeel

[orchid spruce]

i love how reactive that fight was

[light swan]

this is how i feel

[lavish apex]

but i think pv's attacks are way more tightly designed and fun to react to

[light swan]

bosses are extremely limited by their combat system

[orchid spruce]

you should take blebbles' word for it then

it seems i'm the only one parrying that boss

and you don't like parries

[light swan]

part of why noggins is so damn good

[orchid spruce]

is noggins in xc3

[light swan]

eggnoggins

[orchid spruce]

true

[lavish apex]

i would never call the fight bad it's just not. literally my favorite boss in any action game

which pv, is

[light swan]

also part of why i like second sentinel more than pv

[odd hull]

pv is your favorite in any action game?

[lavish apex]

yes

[orchid spruce]

i fought second sentinel once then forgor about their existence

[odd hull]

..damn

[exotic dome]

blas2 bosses have very simple attack patterns and it's very easy to react to them

[light swan]

and why in a good day i like atterimages true final boss 1 more than pv

[lavish apex]

that might sound like it comes from somebody who hasn't played a lot of them but i have played a decent bit

[odd hull]

I like PV but that's some next level praise

[orchid spruce]

honestly you just need play nine sols

[lavish apex]

notably missing from my catalogue is any 3d soulslike but elden ring

[orchid spruce]

egg CLEARS pv by a few skyscrapers

[lavish apex]

and also that game's dlc

i shall see

if nine sols truly is parryspam i doubt it

[orchid spruce]

stop doubting parryslop, watch how obsessed Grynne has become

he sees egg in his sleep

[odd hull]

Sounds a bit like it, yeah. But everyone has their own opinions so I don't see like that tbh

[harsh yarrow]

Gave me a small amount of trouble, wasnt too bad though, now its just in bugfixing land

[exotic dome]

my fav boss in any game is lies of p dlc's final boss and i feel like it's very hard to top that

[orchid spruce]

the rumored better bosses than egg are all 3d, which i can't play, it's so sad

[lavish apex]

i've probably finished somewhere in the realm of 30 action games

[exotic dome]

which modding project is this

[orchid spruce]

by the time i can afford 3d games and the hardware to do that, i won't have time to play anymore

[lavish apex]

split between 3d, isometric and 2d

[orchid spruce]

🥹

[lavish apex]

there is not a single boss in any of them that i like more than pv

[odd hull]

I want to play Lies of P sooo much, I'm probably buying it and Ender Magnolia next

[orchid spruce]

have you played lies of p or sekiro bleb

[lavish apex]

no

[orchid spruce]

[exotic dome]

lies of p mogs ds trilogy so hard its crazy

[exotic dome]

have fun

[orchid spruce]

i believe the glaze

[lavish apex]

i didn't like elden ring very much so that discouraged me from trying any other fromsoft games tbh

[orchid spruce]

i just can't play it

[light swan]

parryslop will always be parryslop

[exotic dome]

if you played er before dark souls, ds can feel worse. i remember one of my friends experiencing that

[lavish apex]

if yall keep gassing up the nine sols final boss like this i feel like my disappointment will be inevitable

[fiery burrow]

armored core 6 😍

[orchid spruce]

illusion coping so he can continue playing his clawlineslop games

[light swan]

nine sols is parryslop chronicles 3 (the best one) but it’s still unevitably parryslop

[exotic cedar]

There's no limit to the glaze

[fiery burrow]

its all parryslop or rollslop with modern games smh

[light swan]

i HATE mio parry

[exotic dome]

parryslop is qualityslop

[orchid spruce]

you only like nine sols cuzz it's good 😠

[exotic dome]

same

[lavish apex]

there's no way it actually hits like that

i've seen clips

it has me interested in playing the game but i have my doubts

[light swan]

well. i love it because of its movement and platforming capabilities

but for a parry it STINKS

[orchid spruce]

well tbh egg nine sols is very mid

i only glaze it out of funni

it's worse than groal

[lavish apex]

i see what you're doing

[light swan]

well, for a parry it’s actually really good but it’s still a parry at the end of the day

[fiery burrow]

Mio DLC WILL have boss combos that punish parrying 🙏

[lavish apex]

i mean it kinda already does

[orchid spruce]

i will chop myself off

[opaque sigil]

this already exists

[exotic dome]

i didnt like mio parry tbh

[fiery burrow]

Uhh the top 3 bosses in the game don't

[lavish apex]

some of final boss 2's attacks don't just let you hit the button and get away with it

you have to mix it with other responses

[fiery burrow]

Except for || Ati|| who has one attack which does

Oh final boss 2 has one

[orchid spruce]

what ||Ati|| attack? huh

[light swan]

instead of pressing parry once you press it 3 times

[fiery burrow]

||The void meteors||

[light swan]

they have like 2 or 3 attacks that do that

[lavish apex]

i've found mashing it through them just doesn't work

unless my timings are bad

[orchid spruce]

i guess

[exotic dome]

you have to parry at least 1 of them i think

[orchid spruce]

i parried the final boss 2 all the way

[light swan]

scarlet and violet also cant really be parried

[orchid spruce]

see, you needed to train parrying with nine sols

:D

[opaque sigil]

it works if you time it it's just a lot harder to parry those attacks

[light swan]

triple parrying is always amazing

[lavish apex]

huh

[orchid spruce]

back to rockslop (grime), god, this is honestly unfun

[lavish apex]

well that sucks

[light swan]

since i get 2 bursts of targeted each time

[lavish apex]

i prefer it the other way

[fiery burrow]

what is rockslop

[opaque sigil]

grime

[fiery burrow]

do you hide behind rocks or something

[orchid spruce]

grime

[lavish apex]

maybe bwb is right maybe imperfect focus should have been the default

[light swan]

also, it’s very difficult to parry phase transition

[lavish apex]

or it should have just been a dash that would be cool

[opaque sigil]

boo

[light swan]

parry should be removed from the game

(for the most part)

mio parry has way too many benefits for me to forsake it because i dont like parries

[lavish apex]

it's cool (if underutilized) in platforming

[fiery burrow]

Add an extra attack or something in its place

You can make it airstall too

man I'm already itching for a 3rd mio playthrough

[lavish apex]

there is a certain novelty in mio not having a dash but also like there are very good reasons it's such a common trope in metroidvanias. it's because they're fuckin good

and fun

[keen helm]

how has mio been talked about constantly for literally the last 2 days😭

[fiery burrow]

Hairpin is a much more interesting evasive option than a dash imo

[keen helm]

every time I check this channel mio is the main topic

lmao

[fiery burrow]

Its a good game

[light swan]

also sunsail is underrated

[exotic cedar]

Because silksong SUCKS and i HATE it

[opaque sigil]

tbf hairpin is just a tiny bit braindead but it does have limitations

[lavish apex]

sunsail is 30 slots and makes energy management worse

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-mad-angry-frustrated-throw-gif-6000995504968593846

[light swan]

30 slots isnt that much (cope)

it makes energy management funner

[fiery burrow]

Yeah you'd have to probably redesign some bosses

[opaque sigil]

30 slots is a ton up until you get confident enough with the game to start running negative mods

[light swan]

am i the only person who enjoys energy management

[keen helm]

why do you suppose I just threw this ring at you, hornet?

[orchid spruce]

games with good exploration is a drag in repeat playthroughs

[opaque sigil]

no

[lavish apex]

it is but i like going fast and having burst movement in the air

[orchid spruce]

so i didn't replay hk or mio despite really liking them

[fiery burrow]

I'm with you

[fiery burrow]

whaat

[light swan]

sunsail fixes everything you say

[keen helm]

until you find more optimized ways to move through them like blue lake shadeskip!!!!!

[fiery burrow]

map design is like the entire reason I'm replaying it ngl

lots of different paths to take

[exotic dome]

satisfactory reference

[lavish apex]

it's fine

[orchid spruce]

the wonder of finding new places is gone, only a checklist of too many places and things to do

[light swan]

it feels like you hate energy management

[orchid spruce]

so it's no longer fun for me

[keen helm]

fairs

[light swan]

paths through the game is awesome to be honest

[lavish apex]

also stroosting does not feel very good or snappy

[light swan]

finding unique ways to play through the game

[fiery burrow]

(Mio true ending spoilers) Energy management was an interesting challenge when doing the final boss without dodge

[light swan]

just pogo up

[fiery burrow]

Well I'm still finding new places

[light swan]

also theres the benefit of replaying games after youve forgotten

[fiery burrow]

[light swan]

i.e. afterimage

[lavish apex]

afterimage has the kind of map i don't think i would ever be able to memorize

[light swan]

one of the best replaying experiences for me

[lavish apex]

how is it so
fucking
big

[light swan]

im guessing at the point youre in, youre only like halfway through the map

guessing tho

[idle sparrow]

I-I don't know

[lavish apex]

i mean that sounds probably accurate

the fact that they managed to do that while also hiding goodies that have about like an 80% satisfaction hit rate everywhere is just kind of insane

[exotic dome]

what

[light swan]

80% satisfaction hit rate is crazy

[lavish apex]

the game is cheating by being an rpg but still like

[light swan]

the biggest complaint (i think i told you before) about afterimage is that the map is way too big with nothing worth it in it

big fir the sake of it

[exotic dome]

afterimage has a bigger map than silksong right

[light swan]

so im SUPER happy youre satisfied with the goodies

[light swan]

like, twice as big yes

[lavish apex]

i mean the only things that i haven't really enjoyed finding are like the extra weapons that i'm not really using

[light swan]

yea thats fair

[orchid spruce]

GRIME exploration rewards is even worse than Silksong tbh

[lavish apex]

everything else is cool universal stuff more or less

[light swan]

@zhawarp zhawandowow wtf did you do

[orchid spruce]

It gives like 5 limited use straight pins

[keen helm]

Sure you do

[orchid spruce]

wow how rewarding

[onyx python]

how good is nine sols?

[light swan]

very very good

[onyx python]

i was wondering of maybe buying that game in the future after 40 years

[light swan]

incredible

[lavish apex]

i could only really see this from the perspective of like well the game is easy so why care about power progression

[orchid spruce]

tier list slop @onyx python

[lavish apex]

which, would be , a valid point kind of

but i don't mind it idk

[keen helm]

silksong at 7.5

[quartz roost]

I haven't played half if these

[exotic cedar]

silksong is not that good

[orchid spruce]

it means you still have so many peaks to play

[lavish apex]

my biggest issue with afterimage is just the boss design, i've thought a lot that i would like of some of them were maybe more engaging on the difficulty front but i'm not sure if that would actually be good

[keen helm]

silksong is absolutely better than a 7.5

[exotic cedar]

Silksong is very very flawed

[light swan]

just hop on hard mode

[orchid spruce]

list is subjective to other peaks in the list

[quartz roost]

Out of the ones on the list I've played; Nine sols, Silksong, and HK

[keen helm]

yes, it is flawed. but flawed games are not inherently bad

[lavish apex]

there's a lot of giant hitboxes with fuck you telegraphs and awful, abysmal contact damage

[keen helm]

elden ring is flawed

[exotic cedar]

7.5 isnt bad

Its just there's better games

[lavish apex]

like far worse contact damage than you see anywhere in hksk imo

[light swan]

the most common word to describe afterimage is loated

[light swan]

i forgot afterimage has contact damage

[ornate perch]

Guys I finally ordered my Hollow Knight Collector’s Edition

[orchid spruce]

instant slop

[keen helm]

out of these ive only played hk and ss

[light swan]

oh well theres just 1 boss i hope you enjoy

obviously you wont enjoy it as much as i did but i still hope

[keen helm]

im a broke console player so I cant play most of these

[orchid spruce]

still so many peaks for you to enjoy

[lavish apex]

it's not only there it's like so much worse than either hk game in the boss category which is why i'm not sure i would even be having that much fun on hard

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

whats the best boss youve fought so far

[lavish apex]

as far as the difficulty while exploring goes it's honestly a nice change of pace to not feel constantly stressed out like i did in silksong

[proud plume]

do the snail shamans die after we get the ever bloom?

[keen helm]

yeah

[proud plume]

ok....

[keen helm]

its too much power and they give too much of their own power

so they go poof

[orchid spruce]

kapow

[tight meadow]

They kinda irresponsible

[light swan]

yea i lke that

[lavish apex]

the guy in the fog part of the wall jump area was ok i guess

[keen helm]

well tbf they DID take responsibility for their big fat mistake

[tight meadow]

Not rly

[keen helm]

and helped fix it

[tight meadow]

They made her deal with jt

[lavish apex]

i was underleveled and i didn't have the charm so i died a lot

[orchid spruce]

is it literally called charm ingame

[lavish apex]

but he seemed mostly ok

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

i dont really like games with limited heals that you refresh at checkpoints, creates a very stressful environment, somehow afteirmage avoids it

[lavish apex]

no they're called afterimages which the movement upgrades also are confusingly

[keen helm]

is nine sols or mio even on Playstation???

[light swan]

mio definitely is, idk about 9s

[lavish apex]

they are yeah

[tight meadow]

blebbles it's just a game you don't gotta do everything in the series

[light swan]

||gongor?||

[tight meadow]

😭😭😭

[keen helm]

hopefully they come as a free game sometime soon

[lavish apex]

yeah

[lavish apex]

wym?

[orchid spruce]

nine sols is 40-50% off every season on steam

[keen helm]

well unfortunately

[orchid spruce]

mio sometimes is 20% off, and about the price of silksong

[light swan]

yea thats like, one of the few memorable bosses

[keen helm]

Playstation doesnt have steam...😔

[tight meadow]

Spring sale just happened so it'll be a while

[light swan]

as in i think its my 2nd favorite fight from what i remember

[orchid spruce]

yeah

[tight meadow]

Prolly sometime in June

[quartz roost]

What's Mio even about?

[orchid spruce]

about the best exploration

[light swan]

youre a small robot in a spaceship that was neglected by it's caretakers and you need to find out why

[lavish apex]

are you referring to what i'm saying about afterimage? what's up with this?

[fresh oracle]

hot take - wanderer crest needs to be nerfed. I can't lie its really hard to justify using any other crest when wanderer is way better while being the easiest to use in the entire game

the flying enemies problem gets completely nuked by harpoon

[quartz roost]

Does it have a good amount/good lore?

[keen helm]

witch crest better because I say so

[orchid spruce]

yes, definitely

[light swan]

mio has my 2nd favorite metroidvania story

[quartz roost]

Hunter and beast have better DPS, wanderers only thing is that it has good consistent DPS pretty much

[light swan]

the lore isnt just events that hpapen in the past, the character development and themes/ideas behind stuff hit different

[orchid spruce]

i'll say this the 11th time, ahem, MIO naturally pushes you to your abilities' limits. You will want to try to reach everywhere you can no matter how cheesy it seems because 95% of the times, there is something there and the rewards are never lame.

[quartz roost]

Hmmmm, I see

[orchid spruce]

MIO is the only game that did this for me so far

It offers excellent exploration and combat is pretty great as well

[keen helm]

honestly I feel like, while silksong is a flawed game, it made everything i loved about the first hollow knight even better which is why I love it so mucu

[lavish apex]

i'm still very confused about that comment

[quartz roost]

I already do this in every game lol

[odd hull]

what

[light swan]

for afterimage, instead of being a non-lame reward you get a whole area each time

[orchid spruce]

MIO will surprise you

[proud plume]

eny recc before lost lace

[quartz roost]

Interesting

[orchid spruce]

honestly bloated is a big issue. even mio is a bit bloated for me.

[keen helm]

get all the mask shards and the spool fragments and upgrade everything u can

[orchid spruce]

i don't think i can ever truly enjoy afterimage

when its biggest selling point is bloatedness

[proud plume]

im missing 2 mask and 2 spools is it ok still

[light swan]

i mean i dont think its bloated its just big

[lavish apex]

anyways i think i like afterimage a lot

[light swan]

but mios bloated for you so idrk

[keen helm]

you might want to at least get one more mask

[proud plume]

alr

[orchid spruce]

yeah, that's what i fear

[lavish apex]

it might settle at #5 on my metroidvania list i'm not sure

[orchid spruce]

holy shit, is it that good wtf

[lavish apex]

out of 11

[quartz roost]

There isn't really anything you have to do before her, I just if you want to make it easier you could get all tools, max masks, and max silk

[light swan]

its my 3rd favorite metroidvania and im very critical

[lavish apex]

you can decide if you think that's impressive

[light swan]

it SHOULD be 2nd but FUCKASS TEAM CHERRY

DECIDED TO ADD WITCH CREST TO THE GAME

[orchid spruce]

what's your full list

or only what is top 1 2 3 4

and top 6

[lavish apex]

hk
skong
mio
blasp2
(possibly) afterimage
(possibly) blasphemous 1

[orchid spruce]

so on par with blasphemous 1

[lavish apex]

i know you hate blasphemous 1 a lot so that might not be high priase for you

[orchid spruce]

(dumpster fire)

[light swan]

i still dont think youve seen the best of afterimage

[orchid spruce]

but i'm interested now

[light swan]

one of the areas/sequences tops sylvalum for me and hopefully its apparent how much i love sylvalum

[orchid spruce]

i'll wait until you finish it

[light swan]

also the true final boss 1 is good

[fresh oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-sigma-alpha-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-sigma-lion-gif-13957304746104521882

[placid pivot]

yall i wanna blasphemous two but do i have to play the first one before the second

[lavish apex]

they're largely standalone

[orchid spruce]

no, and in fact, i don't recommend playing blas1

[lavish apex]

since the story takes a backseat in 2 especially

[light swan]

i need to replay afterimage to know how much i like the true final boss 1 but its above second sentinel and pure vessel for me so thats some high praise

[orchid spruce]

unless you're a big vibes-lore person then play blas1 i guess

[placid pivot]

ok thx

[light swan]

somehow the only good boss is really good

[orchid spruce]

if you really care about gameplay like i do then blasphemous 1 is dumpster fire

if you care about lore and vibe, blas1 is prob better

[hybrid flare]

Dark souls 1 is overrated as fuck

[exotic dome]

the lore is kinda hard to follow so if you don't care about that you can play it

[hybrid flare]

like wym the enemies can just stunlock you to death and theres nothing to do when youre knocked on the ground

[placid pivot]

alight i prefer gameplay over story

[exotic dome]

extreme majestic stellar mighty truth nuke

[proud plume]

how much hp does lost lace has?

[orchid spruce]

blasphemous 2's gameplay is REALLY good

[lavish apex]

"true final boss 1" is an interesting title
also around when is that area you're talking about

[orchid spruce]

i only have some nitpicks

[exotic dome]

1800

[light swan]

uh its high up

true final boss 1 because theres 10 endings and 3 of them are true endings

[lavish apex]

i really liked the walljump one for the vibes, it's so creepy

[lucid trellis]

turns out you can danage tank unwraveled

[hybrid flare]

blas 2 has the generic metroidvania abilities and single-use abilities that are only good for platforming which i despise

[proud plume]

more than karmelita?

[exotic dome]

yea

[proud plume]

how many stuns btw

[light swan]

I KNOW IT SOUNDS BAD BUT ITS NOT THAT BAD

[exotic dome]

3? i think

[light swan]

its only really 4 endings

[orchid spruce]

it's the generic good metroidvania, that doesn't try to do too much but does everything well, this is how i feel

[light swan]

1 secret and 3 other endings

[quartz roost]

Not a set amount

[hybrid flare]

Ig weapon swapping is unique enough

[proud plume]

average?

[orchid spruce]

yeah, i really liked that

[light swan]

this should be a good clue

[lucid trellis]

i would argue 3 endings since snared silk is more just a transition

[exotic dome]

it's better than "generic" imo. blasphemous 1 fits the generic title more

[quartz roost]

That just depends on how consistent you are at hitting

[light swan]

also it should be pretty close to where you are rn

[light swan]

talking about a different game

[hybrid flare]

not at all lmfao, blas 1 is the least metroidvania metroidvania

[lavish apex]

this is fair

[proud plume]

then which crest and charms are best

[orchid spruce]

i only played peaks so i can't know

[hybrid flare]

theres no sloppy air dash, no sloppy double jump, unfortunately the abilities you do get suck since they aren't usable in combat

[hybrid flare]

you've played 3 games

[lavish apex]

blasphemous 1 is almost more of a 2d souls game than a metroidvania

[orchid spruce]

excuse me, i played 5 metroidvanias

[quartz roost]

Ummm, there isn't really a best crest or tools...

[hybrid flare]

ALmost nailed it fuck

[orchid spruce]

what

[lavish apex]

and you have limited space for them and need to swap them out in a menu (genuinely why the fuck did tgk do this)

[light swan]

afterimage's ost i sometimes wonder if it can reach silksong level

[hybrid flare]

Deadass

[exotic dome]

i use air dash a lot when fighting but that doesnt really count

[hybrid flare]

why did they literally rehash this for the golden rings

[light swan]

bossfight themes lowkey dont hit as hard but everything else i feel like afterimage has the better ost

[hybrid flare]

also blas 2 does have offensively bad bosses ||susona, fermosa fembra||

[lavish apex]

anyways that's a fair criticism of blasphemous 2, the abilities are mid but at least they exist

[orchid spruce]

no, they have inoffensive mid bosses

[hybrid flare]

and maybe sínodo

[orchid spruce]

except the adslop

[exotic dome]

i'm saying is it's like an average game

[lavish apex]

i wouldn't call dash or passage sloppy though

[light swan]

whats passage

[hybrid flare]

Its certainly different and it has its flaws but i think its good

[light swan]

passage of sands of karak?

[lavish apex]

of ash

[orchid spruce]

wait nubbie you prefer blas1 over blas2?

[hybrid flare]

I cant decide

[orchid spruce]

GOOD, stay that way

don't make me disappointed in your taste

[hybrid flare]

blas 2 has offensively bad and mostly mid roster while blas 1 does some bosses good with its limited abilities

[orchid spruce]

😠

[hybrid flare]

and b1 has an actually neat true ending

[orchid spruce]

i believe that

[hybrid flare]

with an actually neat quest instead of super unintuitive statue slop thingy

[lavish apex]

didn't before wounds of eventide but yes

[hybrid flare]

GOAT of eventide

[exotic dome]

blas 1s atmosphere was better i think. people say the lore is better too but i really hard time following that the hell is going on

[lavish apex]

it actually manages to be thematically cohesive where 2 doesn't

[hybrid flare]

also sierpes mogs every b2 boss except evit and maybe afilaor

[orchid spruce]

😠 yall stop giving me fomo

i'll have to actually play blassphemous 1 atp

[lavish apex]

that. hm
yeah

[hybrid flare]

and crisanta p3 is pretty good, so is the ng+ and the bosses

[lavish apex]

i can agree
i like sierpes a lot

[hybrid flare]

genuinely the game does sierpes so good

its literally built to perfection to be in b1

[lavish apex]

the amanecidas are great too

[orchid spruce]

omg the glaze

[lavish apex]

and isadora

[light swan]

crisanta was fun i think, only boss i remember

[hybrid flare]

Isidora's good but she's not that good imo

[light swan]

crisanta and the fire scythe nun i dont know if i beat, is that isadora

[light swan]

quick lets talk about every game twinkled bowel hasnt played

[hybrid flare]

B2's ending is confusing to me since the miracle isnt shown exactly as a cruel force, only its catalyst was cruel

[exotic dome]

i forgot about every boss except exposito

[orchid spruce]

twinkled bowel is so mean

[lavish apex]

there is one specific area that 1 absolutely beats 2 in for me and that's art direction

[orchid spruce]

how many bosses in blasphemous 1 are as good as ||S&V||? (mio)

[opaque sigil]

go play pop real quick

[lavish apex]

although 2's is still quite good

[hybrid flare]

and yk, incarnate devo could make sense since it answered the calls of help to do shit but why is the miracle defeat ultimately if it can keep existing without incarnate devo

[hybrid flare]

Oh absolutely

[short trout]

I've been trying the witch crest and wanna know what I could improve on. I know the gameplay is pretty abysmal but it's my first time seriously playing it so yea.

[light swan]

tammo and blebbles both of yall have played xenoblade and afterimage lets talk about those games every time wrinkwel is in chat

[lavish apex]

😭

[orchid spruce]

😠 😠

[hybrid flare]

Though the final boss is much more interesting than b1's

[orchid spruce]

^

[hybrid flare]

like the concept is neat

[opaque sigil]

I need to replay both of those to do that well

[hybrid flare]

who the fuck

[exotic dome]

0 tbh

[orchid spruce]

why did you click it if you haven't finished mio dummie

[hybrid flare]

idfk, maybe you said acat

[light swan]

more dash attacks and more spogos

[hybrid flare]

or eiglay

both of which are mid

[orchid spruce]

🙁

[light swan]

why do you keep saying eiglay

[short trout]

Whats a spogo dude

[hybrid flare]

i forgot the name of that clanker thingy+

[lavish apex]

mmm yeah

[orchid spruce]

how many bosses in blasphemous 1 are 30%-40% as good as egg?

[short trout]

I'm already ramming into her constantly how can I fit in dash attacks

[hybrid flare]

A few are bad yeah

[light swan]

@short trout watch this vid for dash attacks and spogos

[hybrid flare]

if you mean bad just use a silksong boss for comparison dude

[orchid spruce]

that's not what i asked

[hybrid flare]

30% of mid is likely bad

[orchid spruce]

😠

[hybrid flare]

or is it egrong

not eglay or wtv

[orchid spruce]

the good egg

[lavish apex]

honestly (this isn't necessarily a spoiler but a quality judgement on a spoilery-thing || blasphemous 2 final boss is the worst one in the game for me because of how underwhelming it is||

[hybrid flare]

ohhhhhh, eehh?? maybe sierpes comes near that 30% but i erock mogs

[lavish apex]

bro has like 3 attacks

why

[hybrid flare]

escribar is worse tbf

[orchid spruce]

first tried it

[graceful oyster]

[lavish apex]

did they run out of budget after ||goatterno||

[hybrid flare]

and b2's final boss has some interesting attacks like daggers n shit

[orchid spruce]

so like 25% egg

[hybrid flare]

they absolutely did

[exotic dome]

time to finish blas2 or get close to finishing it

[hybrid flare]

the worst boss in the saga is likely susona

[orchid spruce]

so basically pure vessel?

[hybrid flare]

jesus they couldnt have made a boss worse

[orchid spruce]

[lavish apex]

yeah fair

[light swan]

goatterno is a good name

[hybrid flare]

Yeah, ish, i much prefer everything surrounding sierpes except the gameplay compared to pv

[orchid spruce]

i think it's for thematic reason

[hybrid flare]

The design, ost, arena

[orchid spruce]

terno is probably the defacto final boss

[hybrid flare]

Tgk makes good pre-final bosses

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-huh-noted-notes-gotcha-ok-okay-gif-16194783607025995018

[hybrid flare]

but then runs out of budget and dies

[orchid spruce]

it's been born 3 seconds ago

[hybrid flare]

i do not care buddy go n gimme some good patterns

[orchid spruce]

i think i don't care about it

just pretend peakterno is the final boss

[hybrid flare]

the final boss itself is js a glorified cutscene

[orchid spruce]

true

[light swan]

how come blasphemous is allowed to be imperfect but mio isnt

[orchid spruce]

because peakterno is the final boss

[light swan]

man afterimage is so good

should i replay afterimage before nine sols

[graceful oyster]

Play RW instead

[orchid spruce]

try switching the order this time

[light swan]

slowly but surely

[graceful oyster]

[opaque sigil]

no you should get to pop asap

[light swan]

fine ill just duplicate myself

[hybrid flare]

has any1 played sekiro currently in chat

[opaque sigil]

yes

[hybrid flare]

is it you?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[hybrid flare]

||Isshin is hella narrativelly mid||

[short trout]

Wow watched it

[light swan]

i was planning on playing sekiro after laika

[opaque sigil]

yes

[short trout]

This is tough ngl

[hybrid flare]

Oh yeah he wants to kick some ass how compelling

[light swan]

theres a reason why witch crest is the hardest crest

[graceful oyster]

I have Sekiro in my steam family and can play it for free and honestly I don't want to

[hybrid flare]

i would've taken a 3rd geni with mortal blade moveset

[graceful oyster]

Fromsoft games are just not difficult in a fun way

[light swan]

sekiro is like the best parry game i really wanna see how it makes parries good

[orchid spruce]

heard ||Isshin|| is on par with ||Eigong|| (nine sols & sekiro)

[opaque sigil]

it has a lot of mixups

[orchid spruce]

some prefer ||Isshin||, some prefer ||Eigong|| (nine sols & sekiro)

[hybrid flare]

Mechanically isshin could be better but overall eigong tops slightly

[molten sand]

Heyyy chat

[hybrid flare]

Because eigong is narratively good

[plucky stag]

hi

[orchid spruce]

yeah, it seems they're pretty equal

[plucky stag]

just finished another mio session

[odd hull]

I love him, the presentation and everything is absolutely perfect

[opaque sigil]

isshin has a refight I haven't done so idk how much it changes but I liked isshin way more

[hybrid flare]

and isshin's third phase is really not that different

[graceful oyster]

Peak

[plucky stag]

i wish i could play more of it but i'm juggling 4 games at the moment

[minor plank]

How was the session

[hybrid flare]

isshin's 3rd phase should've introduced the lightning redirects

[plucky stag]

mio, baba is you, slay the spire, and speedrunning pvz

[opaque sigil]

it does

[plucky stag]

just got a new ability, the ||spider ability||

[hybrid flare]

It doesn't

[light swan]

can someone tell me how sekiro parries are good

[opaque sigil]

oh did you fight the wrong isshin

[plucky stag]

let me tell you, the tutorial for this ability is just so unintuitive

[minor plank]

Is that good?

Ah got it

[plucky stag]

if not for chat helping me out i'd have been stuck

[hybrid flare]

Talking about the ones like inner geni

[short trout]

Okay I think I am at least decent at this maybe

[vivid belfry]

I have no goddamn clue how you're intended to get that because I found it by stumbling into a skip on accident

[odd hull]

Inner Isshin is great!! I totally reccomend trying it, adds some changes in the IA and new moves. It's refreshing

[hybrid flare]

you are already supposed to learn reflecting lightning from geni

[light swan]

youre clawlining too early

you need to do it right as the 2nd hit lands

[hybrid flare]

It really feels the same to me idk

[plucky stag]

i just followed a platforming section

[odd hull]

Eh, I disagree

[minor plank]

Witch user spotted

[hybrid flare]

compare inner isshin to inner father or inner geni and the later are much different

[vivid belfry]

oh yeah in my most recent silksong playthrough I've been getting into circlet tech

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[light swan]

witch tech when

[plucky stag]

it's very natural to get the ||wall climbing|| ability

[vivid belfry]

an actual use for the downwards dash? more likely than you think

[short trout]

Oh yea the 2nd half of the dash attack isn't happening

[odd hull]

I haven't played those yet

[light swan]

hm? whats up with it

[orchid spruce]

Can Inner ||Isshin|| compare to Promised ||Eigong||? (sekiro & nine sols)

[minor plank]

Btw you’re probably the best witch main I’ve ever seen lowkey

[plucky stag]

||you can't make it up one of the walls at first glance||

[minor plank]

You’re kind of insane lol

[hardy tangle]

dont starve 3 before sea of sorrow 💔

[plucky stag]

||the fact that it's set up like a traditional walljumping section means the game punished me for being genre savvy||

||starting on the left as you'd expect doesn't work||

[orchid spruce]

WAIT WHAT??

OH MY FUCKING GOD

[hardy tangle]

look at their channel

klei

[plucky stag]

is that a game?

[orchid spruce]

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD

[hardy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-kamehameha-meme-speed-kamehameha-gif-3504385717540383658

[orchid spruce]

DON'T STARVE ELSEWHERE???

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-its-so-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-its-so-peak-peak-gif-11211568239007237362

[light swan]

thanks

[short trout]

Why does this motherfucker keep on flying man

[opaque sigil]

I need more people to play blue prince

[light swan]

i did invent all this from my love for witch crest

[graceful oyster]

I've never played don't starve, crazy it's good enough to make 3 games out of it

[orchid spruce]

THEY ADDED HEIGHT INTO IT WTF, PEAK

[hybrid flare]

prong is pretty mid so inner isshin tops

[orchid spruce]

😱

[plucky stag]

me neither, and i have no interest

[orchid spruce]

have you even played prong 😠

[hybrid flare]

Oh yeah lets make the boss that has already stretched the concept of balance to its maximum 3x faster

[plucky stag]

my backlog is already full enough (25), i don't need any more games to make my dream of an empty backlog even further away

[hybrid flare]

Beaten it even

[orchid spruce]

hitless???

😠

[light swan]

i have 17 games for you to try

[hybrid flare]

uh no

[hardy tangle]

this was dst (the 2nd game) so its good theyre finally making this

[plucky stag]

list them

i bet i already have a few beaten

[orchid spruce]

i'll let klei milk me, they're a good studio

[light swan]

im joking i don’t know that many games

[lavish apex]

someone i've talked to has called the true ending phase of nine sols's final boss dogshit

[graceful oyster]

Skill issue

[orchid spruce]

[hardy tangle]

i stopped playing dst but man that shit was peak a couple years ago i have like 600 hours on it

[lavish apex]

so i'm curious to find out what's up with that

[light swan]

idk what they’re talking about

[vivid belfry]

bad opinions are a dime a dozen

there are people who don't like Lost Lace

[light swan]

😶

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/cecesrhaccc1-on-tiktok-cecesrhaccc1-wave-wave-cat-cecesgif-gif-3519480851846766777

[exotic cedar]

Me

[lavish apex]

he liked the other phases A LOT though is what interests me about it

[toxic vigil]

silksong silksong silksong,
after trying all the crests out, i think that

• shaman is still the most boring other than red tool spam architect
• reaper kinda underrated but still worst
• witch is decent, has a ton of cool tech
• hunter 2 > beast >= wanderer > hunter 1 / 0
• architect plasmification needle is quite fun

[fiery burrow]

✋

[orchid spruce]

[vivid belfry]

see this is exactly what I meant

[graceful oyster]

Of all things to choose that was not one of them

[toxic vigil]

its fine

[light swan]

lost lace is objectively colored black

[round pebble]

Guys my little sister started silksong:D

[graceful oyster]

When I see people compare LL to Egg asking who is a better boss and people say LL, I take a hefty chunk of internal damage

Bad opinions are a dime a dozen

[round pebble]

What is egg is ll lost lace?

[exotic cedar]

Coughting baby vs hydrogen bomb

[vivid belfry]

they're not remotely comparable, Nine Sols is a tutorial for Eigong

[hybrid flare]

ds1 bell gargoyles suck ass unless its a boss fight specifically designed to teach me spacing and im doing it wrong

[hybrid flare]

ll's like 70-80% as good as eislop

[lucid trellis]

shaman red tool span

[orchid spruce]

spoiler, sister

[round pebble]

Is egg from nine sols?