sk-discussion

[graceful oyster]

They weren't very fun puzzles

[opaque sigil]

the best puzzle game is blue prince

also the puzzliest

[lavish apex]

super metroid for its time is respectable and it's undeniably very influential, i would also rather eat a microwaved tire than replay it

[light swan]

i like the combat enough so if the bosses actually were good then things may go well

[vivid belfry]

the best puzzle game is Umineko if you're a fucking jackass who considers it a puzzle game

[light swan]

actually never mind nothing (metroidvania) is topping mio LOL

[orchid spruce]

i gave blue prince like 4 hours then decided i am too illiterate for this

[exotic dome]

portal 2...

[vivid belfry]

best puzzle game that's actually a puzzle game is Outer Wilds

[light swan]

i thought about it and realized nothing could touch mio

[lavish apex]

samus returns is just bad

[orchid spruce]

i want braindead combat where i think nothing

[lavish apex]

that's not a good game

[old raft]

dude i read puzzle as pizza

[opaque sigil]

are we counting outer wilds as a puzzle game

[orchid spruce]

like slopsols

[exotic dome]

who is this

[vivid belfry]

I don't know what else it would be

[opaque sigil]

if we count outer wilds it's the best puzzle game but it's a bit nontraditional (not that blue prince is totally traditional either)

[light swan]

if afterimage had actual good bosses and polished art it could 100% be better than silksong

[vivid belfry]

like it definitely has puzzles in it and those are one of the only things gating progression

[graceful cairn]

so real

[light swan]

since at the moment it already is better than silksong, i just enjoy witch crest

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-jetstream-sam-tenshi-gif-23235874

[lavish apex]

there is basically nothing good about samus returns

[exotic dome]

is there a good metroid game

[light swan]

the 2nd to last letter in the name

[opaque sigil]

dread is fun it's just about as long as the word dread

[exotic dome]

i'm thia close to changing this genres name to holloworbit

[lavish apex]

i don't like any of the metroid games that i've played

[light swan]

hollow memories in blasphemous

[lavish apex]

i might give prime remastered a shot and zero mission/fusion whenever i can be fucked enough to buy the nso expansion pack and play path of radiance

[vivid belfry]

okay so what you need to know about metroid prime is that the combat basically doesn't work at all

but the exploration is good

[opaque sigil]

tellius my beloved (even if that's excluding 2/3 of it)

[lavish apex]

but currently i don't enjoy the franchise

[light swan]

can we get poptlc representation here

[vivid belfry]

so if you like afterimage you'll probably like prime

[quartz cave]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMzBpbW5kcmdqMDJrdnZ0YTBwejF4dmh1ZzNhd2ZmeTA0NHUyY3U2NCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/iHC7XHYECP3JmPWsMy/giphy.gif

Poptlc my belovefffff

[vivid belfry]

I've only had bad experiences with castlevania, I understand

[light swan]

bbut afterimage combat works it’s just not special

[orchid spruce]

Hollow memories of the nine blasphemous songs

[opaque sigil]

it's got great combat and the exploration is alright, it has creative abilities which is nice plus the coolest damn metroidvania area ever conceived

[quartz cave]

Are we talking about metroids

[light swan]

hollowlikes

[vivid belfry]

and vanias

[lavish apex]

afterimage combat works but the enemy design has universally been bad so far

[quartz cave]

Is metroid dread good

[light swan]

once you get into combos and shit it’s pretty fun

[lavish apex]

and it's also so easy that you barely have to try against literally anything

[opaque sigil]

it's good but very short

[lavish apex]

as far as i've seen

[graceful oyster]

Portal 2 though

[vivid belfry]

let me repost my list of games that I actually recommend

[exotic dome]

YES

[light swan]

it’s not the combat thats bad it’s what you fight

[vivid belfry]

Portal 2 is not life changing medias, it's just a very well constructed game that's good at doing what it does

[opaque sigil]

afterimage enemies are mostly punching bags but they're fairly fun bags to punch

[lavish apex]

maybe this is my fault for not playing on hard but like the game just tells you not to for a first run

[orchid spruce]

why is it the same as "you gotta read the second book that's where it gets good" for chinese novels

[lavish apex]

so idk

[light swan]

but the true ending 1 final boss is like… peak probabky

[light swan]

no it’s already fun, the second book is where it become REALLY fun

[orchid spruce]

is it

i will wait until blebbles finishes

[light swan]

like i’d put afterimages postgame combat above everything except witch crest and mio

[orchid spruce]

if he recommends the game, i'll play it

[light swan]

regular combat is like… blasphemous 2 level

[graceful cairn]

recommending ori 1 is crazy work

[keen helm]

i HATE seth bro he almost just ended my steel soul run

[vivid belfry]

is there anything wrong with it

[exotic dome]

everything about it is mid

[vivid belfry]

like the combat is completely brainless but you can just ignore it, and the platforming is good

[graceful oyster]

Ori 1 is decent at best

[keen helm]

i love the character and the story behind it and everything the fight just pisses me OFF

[quartz cave]

Why so

[exotic dome]

ori 1 could be decent if im really drunk

[graceful cairn]

nothing bad really its just kinda boring and theres no lore

very mid game

[graceful oyster]

I didn't not enjoy playing Ori, it's not bad at all, it just doesn't excel

[quartz cave]

Its not a masterpiece but i wouldnt call it a waste of time or something id rather not have played

[light swan]

seth is funny because it’s also a fight where everyone either loves it or hates it

[graceful cairn]

ori 2 improved on everything ori 1 was slacking on so its a great game

[vivid belfry]

I recommend Ori as training wheels for Mio

[light swan]

wair so whats the exceptional part about the game? outside of the area

[orchid spruce]

Ori is not training wheel for MIO cmon

[opaque sigil]

the combat and abilities

[light swan]

and for the area, does it just look cool or is it much funner than everything else

[exotic dome]

ori insists upon itself

[graceful cairn]

mio is training for the tough bosses in ori 1

[light swan]

interesting

[graceful oyster]

Ori is a good primer for MIO because then you'll see just how much better MIO is

[keen helm]

idk how people love it it's genuinely one of my least favorite bosses in either game

[opaque sigil]

looks really cool and is fun

[orchid spruce]

i love you so much

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/sargon-prince-of-persia-the-lost-crown-metroid-metroidvania-gif-9419344024440677969

[light swan]

well it’s tied for my 2nd fav, it’s really satisfying got great pacing and responses and rhythm and stuff

[graceful oyster]

Remind me but, uh, are there... bosses in Ori 1?

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/black-panther-erik-killmonger-michael-b-jordan-gif-11409757

[quartz cave]

Chases more than bosses

[graceful cairn]

no

[exotic dome]

only memorable thing was ginso tree escape

[vivid belfry]

okay yes, Sargon has the Killmonger cut but we forgive it because it's one of the only problems with the game

[keen helm]

idk it feels like a "dance" but not in the way that NKG or Karmelita feel like dances, his feels like i have two left feet and he's constantly trying to do the spin move on me and i'm getting dizzy

[light swan]

ok i guess y’all should sell me on pops combat

[opaque sigil]

idk if I could really do it justice

[vivid belfry]

it's some devil may cry shit

[graceful oyster]

Path of Pain???? Combat??? Are you deranged???

[odd hull]

hi !

[opaque sigil]

I don't want to say what the abilities are

[quartz cave]

By itself its already quite strong with a lot of combo capabilities, really nice parries, and very good cutscenes every now and then

[opaque sigil]

or the charms

[quartz cave]

But then you add the abilities on top of that? And the potential is insane

[light swan]

…parries?

[quartz cave]

Gets you feeling like a god at the winning attempt

[opaque sigil]

it's not parry spam

[orchid spruce]

potentialcombat is illusion's favourite type of combat

[opaque sigil]

there's stuff that can't be blocked and allat

[light swan]

i don’t really mind unless it’s some reveal thats significant to my enjoyment

[quartz cave]

Yeah theyre not too prescise and they can be made easier in settings

[exotic dome]

why does prince of persia have 4 dlcs

[opaque sigil]

one of them is mind blowing

[quartz cave]

And they never feel like they overstay their welcome

[exotic dome]

they are skins nvm

[cerulean sable]

William Pellen (not joking)

[quartz cave]

Only one really which is mask of darkness

[light swan]

y’all already know my type of combat (mio, witch crest)

[orchid spruce]

potential combat

[light swan]

also xenoblade chronciles 3, my favorite combat system of all time, but that’s not metroidvaniaslop

[orchid spruce]

aka high ceiling

[opaque sigil]

pop lets you move enemies around a lot more

[light swan]

doesnt have to be high ceiling, afterimage isnt high ceiling

[graceful cairn]

mio combat lowkey so boring

[lavish apex]

i wish i liked xc3 combat more

[orchid spruce]

and you dont love afterimage combat do you

[opaque sigil]

there's a lot of smashing enemies around, knocking them up and juggling them, bouncing them off walls, etc

[light swan]

i just said earlier that afterimage’s combat is probably better than everything except for witch and mio

it’s the bosses that arent satisfying, except 1 of them is

[orchid spruce]

[quartz cave]

One of my favorite combos is throwing them up to the air, comboing them, pushing them bach, dash into them midair, continue the combo, then slam them into the floor

Its so peak,.,.,..,.

[opaque sigil]

||doing this and knocking them into shadow traps you set earlier ❤️ ||

[quartz cave]

But if you do play poptlc PLEASE go to the training thing at base every now and then it geniunely teaches so much

[lavish apex]

it's quite hard for me to name any specific area that mio is like severely lacking in, i just have a few nitpicks

[orchid spruce]

i entrust you with whether i play afterimage or not blebbles

[lavish apex]

uhhhh ok

i mean regardless of what i say you should probably try it, just wait for a sale

i got it for $4

[orchid spruce]

i will try it if you recommend it

i trust you

[graceful oyster]

Eggnog is a problem
I have stuff to do but I am fiending for the hitless

[opaque sigil]

also ||chakram storm my beloved||

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[light swan]

i guess the word im looking for isnt high ceiling, but instead "depth"

[light swan]

ooh

[quartz cave]

Poptlc has quite some depth yes

[lavish apex]

my assessment thus far is if you're an exploration fiend it's probably great, though it has kind of a slow start

[quartz cave]

TO THE 3 POPTLC FANS
PLEASE
MAKE A RANDOMIZER MOD

[exotic dome]

another mv is getting glazed here, adding it to a wishlist

[lavish apex]

movement is quite enjoyable once you get the second upgrade as well

[graceful oyster]

I fully believe I have Nog down to the point where I could beat her hitless very slowly if I just backed off and became patient, but I'm too stuck trying to kill her fast

[quartz cave]

Play it NOWWWWW grfrr

[odd hull]

Have anyone else played Ender Lilies?

[exotic dome]

i have

but dropped it

[light swan]

@opaque sigil @quartz cave do you think the combo capabilities are like ssbu or is it more of a secondary thing

[odd hull]

Noooo

[light swan]

also whats buildcrafting/strategy like

[quartz cave]

-# what did ssbu stand for again

[normal bramble]

Smash bros ultimate

[quartz cave]

Oh smash

[orchid spruce]

i would love to hear whether you rec it once you finish

[odd hull]

Why tho?

[opaque sigil]

there are charms and uuuuh we'll call em skills
charms are pretty impactful and can be significant expansions of function, skills can be a few things but mostly special attacks sort of like spells

[light swan]

like mio has depth in certain scenarios like when you shairpin, use the few bits of energy you got from shairpin to hold sail and power up your 3 hit combo with both BOP and foolish ideal
but the depth comes in by releasing sail right before the thrust to both fully restore energy, take advantage of kinetic thrust, and leave bop up just in time to shairpin (while bop boosted) again and continue the combo

[quartz cave]

Well i wouldnt say its as deep as a game designed for the entire gameplay loop to be entirely combat but thats not really something you can ask of any non combat only game

[light swan]

the perfect type of balance where every aspect feels wonderfully interconnected

[light swan]

yea its more so like, the general feel rather than comparing it deeply

[rough anvil]

Hi guys

[quartz cave]

It for sure feels as fucking good as hitting a good combo in smash that i can attest to

[odd hull]

Hiii

[orchid spruce]

ello

[rough anvil]

Touhou .. . .

[light swan]

i mean i already know im getting poptlc at some point but its good to know beforehand :D

[opaque sigil]

I've not really gone in depth to optimize things so I don't know how much depth there is to go into in terms of stuff like that

[odd hull]

Indeed

[orchid spruce]

u played grime yet illu

[exotic dome]

combat felt boring, level design wasn't that good iirc and i didn't really like the map system. i think i was gonna give one more chance but it got lost in the shuffle i guess

[light swan]

witch crest is less depth in combat and more depth in how well designed it is

[lavish apex]

also like, lowkey, i think mio probably has my favorite soundtrack in the genre

[light swan]

nope, another one im interested in but i feel like its more slow focused like blasphemous

[lavish apex]

although silksong is close

[opaque sigil]

it might be slower

[orchid spruce]

it got a lot of systems, none of which i liked except parry so i wanted your input. hmm

[opaque sigil]

I've played some of grime but never finished it

[light swan]

i dont have anything against chunky soulslike combat but its just not exactly like my cup of tea

[opaque sigil]

grime may not be for you then

[exotic dome]

hk/silksong ost mogs every mv ost so hard for me

[light swan]

that may be apparent from my witch crest days :D

[lavish apex]

it's so hard to beat this https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=UYnPWDy8Tng&si=rwpG2s1glKCBORZw

[orchid spruce]

i already bought it so gotta finish it. maybe silksong will no longer be the worst metroidvania i played.

[odd hull]

Oh really? That's sad, Ender Lilies is my favorite metroidvania rn.
But fairs, the map system definitely is something funny lol

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

oh ok i didnt know you enjoyed blasphemous

[graceful oyster]

Just go play Constance

[orchid spruce]

i didnt finish blasphemous 1 so i dont count it, neither does constance

[lavish apex]

both are great i just find larger portions of mio's to be more memorable

[keen helm]

guys did they remove being able to lifeblood OD for free in memories???

[exotic dome]

i'll give one more chance sometime probably, it's still in my backlog

[lavish apex]

i will never forget when the distorted part of Where You Come to Die kicked in in-game

for the first time

[exotic dome]

yeah that is so beautiful

[quartz cave]

I need to finish mio

[graceful oyster]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6qBhewcOyQmjekUB0ssvPo?si=3eff98378dd941e8
This song as 9S's first like "welcome in" track is really cool

[exotic dome]

mio ost is really good

[light swan]

its hard to identify my tastes for the osts

[graceful oyster]

It's gonna stick in my memory for a while

[opaque sigil]

yeah you really do

[light swan]

because while i deifnitely like mio ost more i cant tell why

[quartz cave]

Nothing really bad of it i guess but it simply hasnt managed to get me yet

[opaque sigil]

anyways I will say this once and once alone:
you should consider monster hunter

[light swan]

where are you at rn

[exotic dome]

how many hours have you played

[quartz cave]

And that just discourages reopening the game

[orchid spruce]

memory like memory in orbit?

[graceful oyster]

9S has the best introduction I've ever played I think now that I think about it

[light swan]

sorry could you repeat that

[graceful cairn]

TRUE

[opaque sigil]

I am bound by laws more ancient than myself

[odd hull]

If so, I hope you have fun then !

[graceful cairn]

actually no dont play constance please its not worth it 😭

[quartz cave]

Idk its been a while since i last entered but i somewhat remember ||a scatecrow boss and a very colorful naturey area, also some unerground frozen tunnels i couldnt figure out what to do in||

[exotic dome]

just go play ori 1

[opaque sigil]

ok you're like right at the beginning

[orchid spruce]

guys stop telling me to go play games i dropped and refunded

[light swan]

oh youre in the marrow

[orchid spruce]

[exotic dome]

you are in forgotten crossroads

[quartz cave]

Am i because i know ive played at leas like 5 hours 💔

[odd hull]

Harmony of Dissonance is right there

[orchid spruce]

sorry i only play peaks

[exotic dome]

it gets infintely better trust the process

[light swan]

couldnt find the way to false knight its ok guys !

[graceful oyster]

Eh, Crow is greenpath

[light swan]

trust the process

[quartz cave]

Once i finish brothership ill get back to it i suppose

[exotic dome]

i actuslly forgot where that is

[light swan]

for most people but it doesnt have to be and for ismoil its not

[graceful oyster]

Yeah well Ismoil is sucks

[light swan]

the case of ||missing the wide open pathway next to mel and not being able to find hairpin||

[orchid spruce]

a guy i know made it up to crow without any abilities

[exotic dome]

yeah it's greenpath

[orchid spruce]

using some bizzare skips

[quartz cave]

I knew i wasnt too far but i thought id be at least decently into the early game what the fuck you mean im not out of crossroads

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

well you couldnt find false knight

[opaque sigil]

is that... hard?

[graceful oyster]

Oh brother

[orchid spruce]

wait what

is that a common mio skip

[quartz cave]

What exactly are we talking about here

[graceful oyster]

Yeah

[light swan]

its like... atempting to fight the big baldur

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

without finding false knight

[opaque sigil]

I'm pretty sure I just did that the first time

[light swan]

thats basically where youre at i think

[quartz cave]

Well now i gotta find that i suppose

[graceful oyster]

I know someone whose 2nd ability was ||striders|| lol

[quartz cave]

Only other boss i remember is this like ||big machine with wind pushing up and down||

[orchid spruce]

who is that lmao

[graceful oyster]

They didn't unlock the feral undergrowth door till well after ||Blood||

[exotic dome]

furnace?

[orchid spruce]

i think i forgor half the mio bosses

[graceful oyster]

Surely not Zangy

[light swan]

uh what 😭

[opaque sigil]

what 😭

[lavish apex]

mio has really cool map design

[light swan]

nevermind

[quartz cave]

They have like four arms was i not supposed to fight them-

[light swan]

youre at hornet

[orchid spruce]

TRUE

[graceful oyster]

Oh lawdy

[light swan]

or mantis lords

[exotic dome]

fourth xhorus

[light swan]

i thought you were stuck in the very first area in the game before ||egis|| lol

[vivid belfry]

MIO fucking sucks at fortnite

[quartz cave]

Wait was i supposed to find and fight crow before that guy?

[quartz cave]

Cause i did not do that

[lavish apex]

what?

[exotic dome]

crow is like 3rd boss normally

[opaque sigil]

with mio the notion of an intended order especially early on is not really there

[light swan]

well its a metroidvania theres no correct way to do things

[orchid spruce]

I said this ten times now, but MIO communicated to me that I should try to reach everything I think is possible no matter how cheesy it feels because there's probably something there

[opaque sigil]

yes

[orchid spruce]

and I loved it, no other game did this for me

[opaque sigil]

yes

[exotic dome]

mio has the best map design in a mv

[light swan]

honestly im surprised blebbles is enjoying afterimages rewards because i could not remember the rewards being very good

[opaque sigil]

you just sorta naturally push your movement to its limits

[visual musk]

i genuinely just got a new favourite boss fight oh my god

[opaque sigil]

and you can do a lot of stuff that maybe wasn't strictly intended

[lavish apex]

there's treats everywhere

[quartz cave]

Well at least its good to know i am not like ultra super slow at progression

[visual musk]

i love ||first sinners fight|| SO much

[light swan]

2nd best

[lavish apex]

i like it when there are treats everywhere

[odd hull]

Oh, she's cool

[light swan]

nah its because its kinda like you saying "im in some grassy area with small enemies in silksong"

we thought you were in moss grotto but you were in far fields lol

[odd vine]

yk lace? isnt she hornets aunt?

[quartz cave]

Did i like do dnail before fungal kinda shit or

[lavish apex]

talent points, health/mp upgrades, exp

[light swan]

no

mio is very nonlinear

[quartz cave]

Thats cool

[visual musk]

dude oh my goodness, ||the fight, the moveset, the music|| is absolutely amazing i love it so much. definately bunking ||fourth chorus|| to my second favourite 🥹

[quartz cave]

Also means im lost as fuck

[opaque sigil]

what's the minimum number of energy abilities you can use to beat the game again

[quartz cave]

Last i left it i had no idea where to go even while following my trusty "go to every empty spot in the map"

[light swan]

dont you have 2 bosses to fight

[lavish apex]

i love how you can stroost through some doors and that's just on purpose

[quartz cave]

Ive fought and killed everyone i encountered

[light swan]

idk but you can get ||the eye, blood, and breath with only dodge||

[opaque sigil]

wild

[light swan]

oh ok you beat those bosses you were talking about then

[light swan]

wait. its probably possible without that ability i think

[quartz cave]

Only two dead ends i remember are a ||giant door with wind howling too strongly for me to go past it, and underground frozen tunnels||

[light swan]

WAIT NO IM WRONG

[graceful oyster]

MIO for the map design
Nine Sols for the bosses
Silksong for the combat
Hollow Knight for the vibes

[light swan]

||you fought the guy with four arms and beat them right? do you remember what you got||

[light swan]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IEEp3vweGs||

[graceful oyster]

Woah there

[light swan]

so why is the thumbnail the ending

[exotic dome]

thumbnail is crazy

[orchid spruce]

The Greats, except Silksong Act 3. That thing always gets in the way when I want to compliment Silksong.

[quartz cave]

Shit no not at all
Was it the thing uh ||hair pin or whatever its called||

[light swan]

no bro that was the first boss in the gmae 😭

[odd hull]

She looks so majestic, I think the fight itself is simple but very pleasing ! Btw what is your top 5 looking like ? So I don't spoil anything

[lavish apex]

i would personally say blasphemous for the vibes and hk as a great intersection of everything

a jack of all trades if you will

[light swan]

||you shouldve gotten a key||

||it unlocks smth in the city||

[quartz cave]

Well i wouldve remembered if it was something important, and it wasnt a copy of among us, so

[light swan]

just use that for now

[graceful oyster]

I haven't played blasph so I can't say

[light swan]

i want to get you back into the game 🥺

[lavish apex]

i still need to play nine sols that's required reading

[orchid spruce]

this seems pretty true. blasphemous 1 is definitely the most vibe heavy (terrible gameplay).

[quartz cave]

Oh ||the key to the museum thingy with an elevator that unlocks said frozen tunnels i talked about which i couldnt progress in?||

[graceful oyster]

9S is so so so good

[exotic dome]

vibes can be both hk and blas for me not sure

[light swan]

nine sols for the story
silksong for the combat
afterimage for the exploration
hollow knight for... nostalgia?
laika for the vibes
mio for everything

[orchid spruce]

the hk slander is crazy

[light swan]

oh ||those are the frozen tunnels, idk why yo ucant progress it should be pretty clear cut||

[graceful oyster]

I wanted to ALSO put 9S as story but I had to pick one

[patent heath]

It's deserved.

[light swan]

||in which case just go do whatever you were planning on doing ig||

[lavish apex]

he can dislike hk it's fine, not as annoying about it as some people here

[quartz cave]

Im at the like second elevator

[light swan]

i love hk

[quartz cave]

Theres this like these ||wind tunnels and simply no way for me to go forward||

[orchid spruce]

it's just joking

[quartz cave]

So i left the area and went to the other side where i found crow

[light swan]

none of them should stop you

[lavish apex]

i wasn't referring to you

[graceful oyster]

||Glide|| is "needed" for one or more

[light swan]

its just that when i think back on the game i cant think of anything exceptional about hk

[lavish apex]

dw

[exotic dome]

some people is just one person

[light swan]

yea

[quartz cave]

Im going to FUCKING GET IN so i can show you that i am STUPID

[orchid spruce]

yeah it's the lace person lmao

[lavish apex]

don't say the quiet part out loud

[light swan]

which is i think you should continue with this

[graceful oyster]

Might be worth exploring the right side of the map

[odd hull]

Nine Sols bosses are so fire.. Sometimes I forget how cool they were

Ender Lilies for the map design
Nine Sols for the bosses
Ender Lilies for the combat
Ender Lilies for the vibes
Ender Lilies for the story

[lavish apex]

it's lace

[opaque sigil]

explore wherever you can go

[odd hull]

No bias

[lavish apex]

i mean like come on

[graceful oyster]

Okay you need to play MIO sorry

[orchid spruce]

MIO exploration is very good until last quarter of the game, it gets sluggggg

[quartz cave]

Is that not where i just fought this crow guy

[graceful oyster]

It is, but there's a fat chunk more to do there

[chilly glacier]

was Ender Lilies that good? it didn't look very good when I saw it...

[opaque sigil]

at some point there is not more stuff to find

[orchid spruce]

I wish there was a mod that hints at secrets like in blasphemous 2

[orchid spruce]

it becomes hard to find

[exotic dome]

it gets slug because the map design is so good that you already explored everything

[opaque sigil]

there's like one thing that could be better signposted

[odd hull]

It didn't seem interesting in the videos I saw, but y'all praise it so I'll definitely get it at some point. Kinda pricey for me tho

[graceful oyster]

I do think it is a higher quality gameplay than skong

[lavish apex]

yeah once you get to like, MIO SPOILS ||needing to do wheel stuff and get into canopy|| it's not super clear

[orchid spruce]

||the wheel puzzle|| i couldn't do it myself

[quartz cave]

aight char this is allegedly my map

[orchid spruce]

i had to look for help and i usually dont enjoy things as much when i dont do it myself

[exotic dome]

yeah ||the wheel|| could be done better

[opaque sigil]

||the wheel stuff is pretty obviously a goal and once you start thinking about how to solve it you'll get to the answer canopy could be better signposted||

[graceful oyster]

Yeah that looks great, I'd just say poke around on right side

[quartz cave]

where should i head tunnels or right

[exotic dome]

what was wrong about ||canopy|| i dont remember it

[odd hull]

For each their own. I loved my experience with it more than the HK series for exemple, very refreshing

[quartz cave]

so they LIED to me

i COULDNT get past the tunnel

[orchid spruce]

i think i found ||canopy|| organically

[quartz cave]

whaddahell,.,.,,.,,.,,,,,..,.,.,,.,.,,.,,.

[opaque sigil]

||how you get in just being an unmarked door in the wall||

[chilly glacier]

I've been listening to Mili ever since Miracle Milk, and they made the OST and I've listened to it a bunch, but when I look at the gameplay it looks like flash animation, so I just haven't bought it or tried it yet

[exotic dome]

yeah same

[graceful oyster]

Well...
There are a lot of tools in this game to get places without stuff

[chilly glacier]

I love the OST a lot though

[main ibex]

is this talking about mio?

I bought that yesterday but i wanna finish zexion first

[opaque sigil]

I found it by just doing the hug the wall strat since I knew something was there thanks to other areas

[light swan]

tammo how would you rank pop combat compared to other metroidvanias

[orchid spruce]

rewarded for embracing the mio mentality

[opaque sigil]

for me personally it's my favorite

[quartz cave]

night and day to all ive played potentially besides silksong

[sinful agate]

Alguien que hable español

[opaque sigil]

especially the pop mob combat it's just so much more interactive with enemies

[sinful agate]

?

[quartz cave]

lot of people but this server is english only

[quartz cave]

idk whats harder enemy waves or the bosses

[normal bramble]

My absolute favorite artist mentioned?

[chilly glacier]

Mili so good

[normal bramble]

Trueeee

[opaque sigil]

the bosses are certainly harder

[sinful agate]

I don't think so because I speak Spanish and I'm on the server lol

[chilly glacier]

enemy waves, you just have to learn stamina and how to pay attention to more things at once.

[light swan]

do you think engaging with enemies detracts from the exploration? thats lowkey what ive noticed with more enemy based metroidvanias tbh

as in silksong, blasphemous

[lavish apex]

@graceful oyster did you ever post the full in-game version of Stargazing btw?

[quartz cave]

i just said that a lot of people speak spanish

[opaque sigil]

no, if you don't want to fight somebody you can smash them out of the way and just keep running but enemies are so much fun to fight that I basically always kill everything

[light swan]

alr great

how fast is the combat generally

[opaque sigil]

it's decently fast

[light swan]

would you say its about regular silksong level

[iron trellis]

i just thought of something, if the citadel runs on what appears to be steam, how the fuck does it produce so much polution

[opaque sigil]

maybe a bit slower but around there

[light swan]

what about movement, how much player movement is there

[quartz cave]

how far right did i need to go because this is the only place i saw but i just spotted another place above and i dont wanna round around the entire fucking area just to realize i could actually get past this lake so

[opaque sigil]

a good amount, it has the works, including a sprint and ground dash as default ability

[light swan]

nice nice

[quartz cave]

i actually was begging for silksong to add running and they did

[light swan]

try more up

[lavish apex]

oh also illusion how's the mio gd level coming along

[light swan]

do you think i have the time to be playing gd 🙄

[lavish apex]

understandable

[light swan]

ill finish it at some point maybe but ive been playing other games

• other things to work on when playing gd

also i have 2 friends making gd levels to xenoblade 3 songs, came out of nowhere and im so happy

[opaque sigil]

nice

[light swan]

one of them i rarely talk with and just got xc3fr jumpscared

[quartz cave]

the healing in this game kinda pmo

[light swan]

the other is aleph

[vivid belfry]

what healing

[graceful oyster]

Are you using ground healing?

[opaque sigil]

mio's lack of on demand healing really grew on me immensely

[quartz cave]

theres more than one kind of healing its been a while since ive played this shit

[edgy patio]

[odd hull]

Idk the artstyle is strong for me — specially the scenarios and such, all beautiful. Ender Lilies doesn't play like HK/SK, reminds me a lot more of Dark Souls and Castlevania if you know them. The story is simple, but well written and made me feel it (which rarely happens personally)

If you decide to play it, both Relics (Charm's equivalent) and Spirits are very cool to try out and build around. Just don't be afraid of "waste resources" or something. The word I want doesn't exist in english I think uh.. it's a great game yeah

[graceful oyster]

I never had a problem with the health system and I think 9S is too liberal with heals, so

[opaque sigil]

I liked having to actually be careful against bosses

[graceful oyster]

Clearly it resonates with me too

[orchid spruce]

except in platforming, that sucked

[light swan]

i too love the healing, i wouldnt mind having actual heals because i think heals are a very interesting part of combat systems but the lack of healing isnt that bad

[odd hull]

Oky. I'm not totally sold, looks kinda different

[orchid spruce]

i put mio in 8.5, silksong as 7.0

[odd hull]

And idk if it's in a way I would like.

[opaque sigil]

Fortunately there’s a way to not have issues there

[light swan]

moreso, mios combat is great enough without healing

[orchid spruce]

i found it very late

so i suffered greatly

[quartz cave]

ok platforming feels like shit when you have to pay up your whole wallet to heal

[hybrid flare]

silksong's a 9 to me

[orchid spruce]

i remember

[hybrid flare]

And thats generous yes

[odd hull]

Scores are a funny thing

[hybrid flare]

Hairpin feels really just mid imo

[light swan]

nacre gets really easy to come across and theres loads of ways to help

[light swan]

first person ive heard say that

[orchid spruce]

how about tiers silksong is A tier, MIO is S+ tier

[lavish apex]

there's a mod that stops this from happening that is cheap to equip and obtainable very early

[hybrid flare]

Clawline but if it doesnt land does nothing, doesnt deal damage cant be insane tecched and well, at least its directional

[orchid spruce]

or very late, if you're me

[opaque sigil]

I’d comfortably give mio a 10

[hybrid flare]

and the 2 bosses i've fought are like B or C tier ish

[graceful oyster]

I don't know if I'd put any games in an S+ tier but MIO and 9S are definitely S

Portal 2 is S+

[light swan]

hairpin is like twice as good as clawline imo

[hybrid flare]

I'd rank MIO rn a 7

[light swan]

i think youre just too early to really be talking abotu it much tbh

[hybrid flare]

Maybe

maybe it'll get better

[opaque sigil]

‘Can’t be insane tecched’

[light swan]

werent you stuck in forgotten crossroads like, two days ago

[opaque sigil]

??

[graceful oyster]

Clawline tech is weaksauce compared to hairpin

[orchid spruce]

tbf only one person does insane techs with it (@light swan )

[hybrid flare]

I couldnt find the goofy ass crack in the floor and ive been busy so havent played much

[orchid spruce]

[odd hull]

I can see the vision, dw !
But I do think that would be more reasonable to compare MIO to other games (mechanically/how it feels), or to know what else you value yk

[exotic dome]

idc about techs hairpin does its job as a platforming tool

[lavish apex]

i think maybe my biggest problems with mio are the energy system as it applies to traversal and lack of satisfying burst movement but i have no idea how i would change the former

[light swan]

im surprised people cant see that 😭 its relatively visible at least to me but i get it (i think)

[light swan]

im the only person who does mio combat stuff period

[graceful oyster]

MIO is like Ori 2 if it was actually substance-rich and well designed

[hybrid flare]

Personal biases aside, i dont know whats the best game ive ever played

[orchid spruce]

i think this works

[light swan]

at least grynne tried out the cool combat stuff i do but no one else has done shit at all

[hybrid flare]

fucking insane takes right there

[opaque sigil]

And not made by terrible people

[orchid spruce]

you saw this list before, why are you being surprised again

[opaque sigil]

Well I shouldn’t say that. Made by a terrible person

[odd hull]

I probably never will play portal 2 alone, but the coop experience is S+++

[lavish apex]

what's wrong with ori devs?

[light swan]

why are we slandering other games :(

[opaque sigil]

There was like a whole thing

[exotic dome]

what

[graceful oyster]

Inscryption is also S

[hybrid flare]

Imo skong's better than ns, theres just more substance to skong in general and usually there isnt just 2 memorable bosses and characters

[graceful oyster]

And Caves of Qud

[quartz cave]

also whats up with the lack of checkpoints 💔

[hybrid flare]

Did i?

[exotic dome]

inscryption is great

[vivid belfry]

A game has to piss me off beyond belief for me to slander it

[light swan]

ok itll be hard for me to do my tier list

[orchid spruce]

yues

[vivid belfry]

this is reserved for shit like Rogue Legacy and Circle of the Moon

[hybrid flare]

I will absolutely slander the shit out of every game i play despite how much i like

[orchid spruce]

i know the biggest rogue legacy 2 fan in the world

[hybrid flare]

this is natural

[odd hull]

Hmmmm

[opaque sigil]

If it actually pissed you off is it even slander or is it just a fact

[orchid spruce]

@Gregório

🙁

[graceful oyster]

I will slander Terraria

[hybrid flare]

yes we need more terraria slander

[opaque sigil]

Good

[lavish apex]

outside of gachas or similar microtransaction slop i've never played a game that i truly hate

[orchid spruce]

delicious terraria slander!! (i never played it)

[odd hull]

Nine sols !!

HK above Silksong tho..

[hybrid flare]

And blas 2

Blas 2's like an 8

[vivid belfry]

idk it's all opinions so there's not even a hypothetical place where slander would be accurate, that's just what people call criticism in the current cultural zeitgeist

[orchid spruce]

everything above silksong except maybe grime which im playing

[odd hull]

But yeah, I think I can grasp better how it may feel

[opaque sigil]

I can’t think of the last time I played a game I genuinely hated

[delicate temple]

Game devs when they run out of boss ideas so they create another annoying ass spawner boss

[hybrid flare]

Odon

[light swan]

S+: Xenoblade Chronicles 3, MIO: Memories In Orbit, Hollow Knight: Silksong, Afterimage
S: Factorio, Nine Sols, Hollow Knight
A: Blasphemous 2, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Risk Of Rain 2, Xenoblade Chronicles 2
B: Laika: Aged Through Blood, Geometry Dash, Xenoblade Chronicles 1, Balatro, Hades

i feel bad for putting xenoblade 3 in the same tier as everything else in S

[hybrid flare]

We agree on something at least

[delicate temple]

Broodmother pisses me tf off because spawner bosses are straight lazy

[orchid spruce]

OH MY GAWDDD

[light swan]

this is my top 16 put into tier list order

[exotic dome]

i don't hate any game either maybe league of legends

[exotic dome]

[quartz cave]

okay so where the fuck do i go now

[orchid spruce]

Odon can burn in hell

[odd hull]

Daaaamnnnn, I didn't play the majority there, can't argue with it. Interesting opinion

[lavish apex]

i truly wish i liked xc3 as much as you or some of my friends do

[quartz cave]

all right paths are innaccessible, the tunnels are inaccessible, all ive gotten is the eye whatever that is

[light swan]

metroidvanias involve exploring on your own accord 😔

[opaque sigil]

There definitely have been some it’s just been a long time

[light swan]

i wish you liked xc3 as much too

i dont like being the only person who likes my #1 game of all time :(

[hybrid flare]

My S+ probably would be silksong, ultrakill and sekiro for now (i personally prefer bloodborne all things considered but its flawed as hell)

[lavish apex]

i mean you aren't

[light swan]

im the only person i talk to

[opaque sigil]

What is the me erasure

[orchid spruce]

[graceful oyster]

Ultrakill

[light swan]

you never talk about xc3 :(

[exotic dome]

my s+ is sk, lies of p and portal 2

[hybrid flare]

Ultrakill has very few flaws unironically

[vivid belfry]

what does it mean to hate a game

[opaque sigil]

Yeah because I haven’t played it in too long

[light swan]

although youre awesome tammo this is why youre my goat

[quartz cave]

the other spots i dont remember being anything i could get past either

[opaque sigil]

Not find enough redeeming qualities to think it was worth playing

[lavish apex]

3 is definitely better than x although so are 1 and 2

[light swan]

at least theres like, 2 or 3 people i can talk to xenoblde about in my gd server

[vivid belfry]

that seems too generous

[delicate temple]

If broodmother keeps pissing me off I’m looking up a cheese because wtf

[opaque sigil]

Probably

[exotic dome]

that's just disliking

[light swan]

i feel bad for putting xc2 so low

[lavish apex]

x is a bad game that i like

[vivid belfry]

like I think BLUD was a massive disappointment and not worth playing but I didn't hate it

I hated rogue legacy

[light swan]

but if i were to put it higher i feel like thats nostalgia talking and not actually how much i like it

[hybrid flare]

S would be Nine slops, hollow knight, bloodborne, elden and hl2

[light swan]

part of why hk is so low, i feel like if i were to put it higher itd be purely nostalgia talking

[orchid spruce]

omg, nubbie likes nineslops

[hybrid flare]

forgot b2 and b1 but wtv

[orchid spruce]

i thought nineslops was mid

[hybrid flare]

Yeah i do like eggnog, what about it

[odd hull]

My S+ TUNIC, Sekiro and Ender Lilies

Recently finished my first Sekiro playthrough btw, I love it so so much ! Started ng+ charmless, first time getting to Hirata and was humiliated

[quartz cave]

nineslops is genius i will steal that

[hybrid flare]

Eggrong exists

[lavish apex]

i haven't played 2 since i was 16, sometimes i wonder if doing that again would drop my opinion of it

i hope not

[vivid belfry]

I think every game in my top 25 is S tier

[orchid spruce]

real

we live a post-eggnog world

[hybrid flare]

Its a shame its like, the least replayable game ever (you can refight bosses so thats ok)

[vivid belfry]

S+? that's gotta cut off at nine sols I think

[quartz cave]

i assume this means among us is above those in s+

[opaque sigil]

This should be true of anyone who has played a decent amount of games

[hybrid flare]

Ive done one Ng+ run and i plan on doing another one

[light swan]

my opinion didnt drop when i replayed xc2 but icl i couldnt get myself to finish

[delicate temple]

My #1 game of all time is Dishonored

[vivid belfry]

actually you know what, I have that big-ass list broken up my cateogry

[hybrid flare]

I fs played more games but i wouldnt know how to rank them, how do you compare fucking half life 2 to a metroidvania?

[delicate temple]

That game will always hold a special place in my heart

[light swan]

ofc this was 6 years after my xc2 grind, ive obviously replayed xc2 multiple times before

[opaque sigil]

2’s gameplay and world are fun but it can be a slog

[shut quartz]

….are you really telling me, that King Khann was THAT simple??? Only ONE try???

[opaque sigil]

Especially with the mercenaries

[lavish apex]

well i have replayed it and that's honestly what made me love it so much, but like i said that was 6 years ago

[shut quartz]

Now I’m starting to I understand why there were all those waves

[odd hull]

Do you think so? I want to do the other endings, got a lot to experience yet I think

[exotic dome]

what the hell is blud

[quartz cave]

so where do i find the bell towr pass

[opaque sigil]

You have to play blue prince

[vivid belfry]

important technicality: games in the masterpiece zone do NOT have to be easy to recommend

[lavish apex]

objectively true

[odd hull]

"Giantess Dating Sim

[vivid belfry]

I got a lot of shit I need to play

[hybrid flare]

Maybe not ever but yk, starting new runs is pointless kinda

[opaque sigil]

Also that list reminded me I really hated echoes of wisdom

[vivid belfry]

see this is why I asked about what it means to hate a game

[light swan]

idk how sloggy it is but like

[vivid belfry]

because I fucking hate playing SAEKO

[quartz cave]

this game SUCKS

[vivid belfry]

it makes me physically nauseous

[lavish apex]

x can be a far worse slog though

[light swan]

idk replaying 2 made me realize why xc3 was my favorite game and not 2

[opaque sigil]

Of course

[slim thorn]

wich one you are refering the most with this statement?

[lavish apex]

fuck x
i love x but fuck that game

[odd hull]

lmao I'm dying

[light swan]

i love crossette and i love xenoblade 2 and i had a lot of fun but i just got bored

i was pretty invested in my 1 replay tho

[lavish apex]

i wish it was better

[vivid belfry]

any of the When They Cry games

[light swan]

probably because ive never actually interacted with high level 1 combat

[vivid belfry]

combined word count of 2.4 million

[lavish apex]

it could be so so much better

[quartz cave]

im going back to brothership i thinkt

[lavish apex]

but it isn't and the story is complete trash

[opaque sigil]

I should do a full playthrough of the series probably minus x

[lavish apex]

it's so frustrating

[light swan]

i wanted to

i did but i stopped at xc2 chapter 5 lol

[opaque sigil]

A fire emblem meteor is approaching however so maybe after that

And deep rock rogue core

[light swan]

i replayed all of xc3fr in the 2 weeks before mio released

again, cemented why xc3 was my favorite game of all time by far

[orchid spruce]

huh xenoblade isnt on steam

[light swan]

switch exclusive

[orchid spruce]

well never gonna can play it looks like

[opaque sigil]

You can just emulate

[light swan]

i need to learn how to edit to phonk songs now

[lavish apex]

mfw some of the coolest exploration in the series undercut by dogshit farming a dogshit quest acceptance system and rewards that you can just grind infinitely in repetitive side missions

[orchid spruce]

my potato cant run emulate

[odd hull]

Hmmm, maybe maybe. I see it as a chill experience once you know everything. But I do agree that the first run is something else entirely

Also, did you play TUNIC ?

[light swan]

"some" it literally is lol

[orchid spruce]

it killed itself after 7 minutes of silksong

[exotic dome]

what genre is xc

[rose flax]

i just realized

[light swan]

openworld jrpg

[opaque sigil]

JRPG

[odd hull]

Dark Souls and Elden Ring immediately got me wanting to try new stuff out, for exemple

[lavish apex]

mfw one of the coolest combat concepts in the series undercut by the fact that it invalidates 70% of the other systems

[exotic dome]

i dont thijk ive seen anything about xc i'm too far from switch games

[light swan]

sylvalum is probably the 2nd coolest area ive ever seen, cauldros is probably the 2nd most well designed area ive ever seen too

[opaque sigil]

Many such cases

[lavish apex]

mfw miserable menuing with 0 thought to qol

[rose flax]

could hornet have been a male by any chance? or is any weaver genes guaranteed 2 x chromosomes?

[light swan]

have you played nine sols

[exotic dome]

not yet i will play it after blas2

[orchid spruce]

blas1 menu

[opaque sigil]

The xenoblade x menus are genuinely miserable

[light swan]

its ok liking bad games is a natural occurence

[lavish apex]

if this is an hk1 charms dig that is in no way as remotely bad

[light swan]

the best thing to do is ignore all the bad stuff and look at all the good stuff

thats what i do to my favorite games :D

[lavish apex]

core crusher is satan

[odd hull]

Yeah, makes sense

[light swan]

most of them at least

[rose flax]

like if weavers reproduce with non weavers, could they make a male part-weaver?

[opaque sigil]

It’s not a dig at anything in particular it’s just a thing that happens

[quartz cave]

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii cna i get some help

[winged urchin]

hi

[light swan]

send map

[vivid belfry]

you don't understand and I can't recommend that you come to that understanding

[opaque sigil]

Damn what I do with my favorite games is usually the opposite

[lavish apex]

it makes the game so much worse

[orchid spruce]

if you are already stuck this early into Mio, the rest of the game sounds miserable

[quartz cave]

basically the same as earlier i geniunely dont know where to head to

[opaque sigil]

I got stuck briefly early on it happens

[exotic dome]

i got stuck earlygame too

[light swan]

||check a red door||

[odd hull]

The map looks cute

[orchid spruce]

did i get stuck early game

i cant remember

[quartz cave]

does that not mean i simply cannot access the place

[orchid spruce]

i think i did...

[light swan]

well. go and check

[quartz cave]

also can we make sure of this because i dont wanna go all the way to the one on the left

[opaque sigil]

I think the map doesn’t update just by picking up a key

[exotic dome]

maybe you have a key

[quartz cave]

and i know the right one isnt it because i was just there

[orchid spruce]

i imagined artemis was like at ||haven|| or sth, this is not what i imagined as early game

[light swan]

based on your map... looks like you went into a room that had some sort of... visitors pass?

[rose flax]

what the fuck

this isn’t silksong

i’m too sleep deprived for this

[light swan]

oh it gets real cute... ive spent hours of my life debating over this

just for a dev to go and prove me wrong

[graceful oyster]

It is with great pleasure that I announce I have found the one and only genie lamp.
My first wish will be that water no longer evaporates!
My second wish will be that it rains all around the world like, 4 times as often as usual!
My third wish will be to cast the lamp into the center of the red giant star Betelgeuse!

[quartz cave]

the hall of history thing?

[light swan]

nope

[quartz cave]

i only have three keys one of them is for the hall, one for the aviary, and one for the silo

all of which ive used already

[light swan]

you went through this room. you got something from it i hope??

[lavish apex]

i probably spent 30 hours just shuffling equipment around

[light swan]

its ok blebbles if you didnt like bad games then i wouldnt have 1shotted pharsis

[lavish apex]

😭

[quartz cave]

sobbing emoji ill go back to the other side of the map iguess

[light swan]

dude how do you go through that and not pick the thing up at the end of it 😭 sorry lol

[odd hull]

lmfao I can't even imagine what can make you think like that at the same time you put it in Masterpiece

[graceful oyster]

Do you have a ||visitor pass of any kind||?

[odd hull]

Must be a unique experience for sure

[quartz cave]

is that where you get the bell tower pass

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[quartz cave]

fuck me

[vivid belfry]

it's in this genre of storytelling

[light swan]

the good old days of spamming aghasura cannon against the big noctilum giants for 15 hours paid off

dude how do i make a phonk edit of A&T this sucks

[quartz cave]

youre telling me i went right because i couldnt go left but i forgot something so i had to go left just to go right and i dont even have a dash 💔 im so stupid

[lavish apex]

why oh why oh why does changing class on cross even if you already had mastered weapons on make them default to the base ones for that class and remove all your arts

[exotic dome]

i recommend exploring around by yourself it's more effective + fun

[light swan]

i dont even get how you forget something when you went through a platforming segment to get it

[lavish apex]

WHY
OH WHY
OH WHY
DID DE NOT PUT BUILD SAVES IN THE GAME WHEN 3 HAS THAT

[odd hull]

lol why
Were you trying to find some meaning behind it's general structure or something

[light swan]

yea so

[lavish apex]

WHY MONOLITH

[light swan]

mio takes place in a spaceship right

[opaque sigil]

Because you are trapped in a labyrinth of menuing from which the only escape is smashing your console

[orchid spruce]

thats the whole point of MIO, explore

[light swan]

the spaceship makes no sense when compared to the map

i made it make sense compared to the map and everything logicwise is flawless

[quartz cave]

ok i simply had not gone through the room yet the game said i had

[orchid spruce]

totally not hubris

[shut quartz]

Man. I got all the hearts in one day after leaving reaper crest behind and using wanderer+druid’s eyes+multibinder…what have I been doing all my play through

[lavish apex]

literal hours putting weapons on my skells over and over and over and

[light swan]

my hopes and dreams CRUSHED

by the lead QA saying "I honestly dont know XD"

[graceful oyster]

Lead QA

[orchid spruce]

this is the realest dev

[light swan]

yea QA

[odd hull]

I have never seen it
But... Giantess Dating Sim to this seems crazy

[graceful oyster]

He is not the lead dev

[light swan]

mb lol

[orchid spruce]

team cherry probably doesnt know half the lores

but everyone helps them fill the gap

[vivid belfry]

you're just going to have to trust me when I say that it's a debilitating work of existential/psychological horror

[graceful oyster]

If anyone knows how the map fits into the model it's Brimm or Rain

[light swan]

dude im gonna make it my mission to prove axelato wrong

[odd hull]

Every time you respond I get more curious, what the hell is this description man

[graceful oyster]

I really want to have a Magic the Gathering game with Axelato but them French timezones are hard to catch

[light swan]

the only thing that supports the other side are these vague lines that HAPPEN to be POSITIONED where theoretical elevators are positioned

when ITS JUST SOME FUCKING DECORATION FRAME THING

i hate any other interpretation that isnt my interpretation

[orchid spruce]

i hate you too

[light swan]

i am my own intereptation tho

[lavish apex]

they should make a good video game

[exotic dome]

mio devs are a real one

[odd hull]

that's funny

[light swan]

a real 11 12s

[quartz roost]

Out of curiosity: do you know the lore?

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-joker-triste-gif-15033268146616216370

[light swan]

wait its 12 tenths

[orchid spruce]

i do. before i played other things, i was your 19356th biggest hk/silksong fan

then i played other things then looked back to reflect

[heady iron]

Team cherry knows that there is no lore

[vivid belfry]

you are welcome to find out if you want just don't say I didn't warn you. It's my second favorite game for a reason but it has also hurt me in ways that no other piece of media has even approached

[light swan]

anyway time to test a theory i had that would be crazy if it was true

[odd hull]

HK is a bit weird in that aspect. I'm not a big fan of it's lore/story tbh

[light swan]

my hopes and dreams are crushed

[orchid spruce]

crushed with a XD as well lmao

[odd hull]

say that again

[light swan]

i hate you axelato x2

[orchid spruce]

i think its ok, not the best but it works

[lavish apex]

oh yeah another thing about xcxde that i hate, the limited tries on the cool multiplayer bosses

[graceful oyster]

I know Illusion knows but in MIO there is this very cool easter egg out of bounds where the devs imported conversations from the unofficial Discord and made NPC robots for the admins and regulars who were participating in the conversations huddled around a TV

That's pretty epic

[orchid spruce]

wait wut

[light swan]

and im not there because bird invited me too late 😡

[orchid spruce]

[graceful oyster]

Just a bit

[light swan]

like, 6 custom models for mio fans back when the server had 17 members or msth

[exotic dome]

thia is the most official unofficial dc server i've ever seen

[light swan]

and 12 of them were devs or smth

[orchid spruce]

lmao

just call it the official server atp

[odd hull]

Geez idk if I'm prepared to it then. I'm gonna search more about atleast a bit anyways, probably

[light swan]

i probably wouldntve participated in the conversation either way cuz i didnt wanna spoil myself by datamining

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

ok but like....

[lavish apex]

doesn't the actual official one only have like 1 channel for mio

[orchid spruce]

and that channel is DEAD

[lavish apex]

amdusias my beloved

[light swan]

what is there not to love about xcx

[light swan]

ilove sleepypillows pillow

[odd hull]

I think it is a bit lackluster, even if serviceable. Tbf I'm not found of HK1 in general

[vivid belfry]

xenoblade intrigues me but I know I can't play them because they're a million fucking years long

[light swan]

they designed a whole medieval helmet for luky and a bucket of frogs for bucket

[light swan]

its just... 100 hour playthroughs... youve played longer

[graceful oyster]

Mist just gets a lazy purple guy

[lavish apex]

that this song plays over the goated area themes

[light swan]

youre gonna hate me when i upload my witch guide

[graceful oyster]

And Cimdy gets a magenta one

[vivid belfry]

100 hours of RPG combat is different

[odd hull]

I mostly played it because of my gf. Post analysis got the game downgrading in many ways for me..

[light swan]

its unfortunate but its lowkey epic, id be happy with mists one

[orchid spruce]

i only have 18 hours on slay the princess

[light swan]

welllllll xenoblade 3 has my faovirte combat system oat but ik no one can trust me

[orchid spruce]

vn usually doesn't have that much playtime

[light swan]

that being said xenoblade 3 is also the only game to ever make me cry but we all know we cant trust me

[vivid belfry]

the understander has logged on

[lavish apex]

https://youtu.be/P1K2QT-zF0s?si=sgWxDITVqfins7J_ 😩

[light swan]

i think in terms of actual playtime, gd is obviously the most but xc3 is probably the 2nd most playtime i have on a game

[graceful oyster]

Yeah Idk man it seems pretty simple, you just have to kill her

[orchid spruce]

peak

[tawdry valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mummy-mommy-boss-cry-gif-20529822

[vivid belfry]

do you know what happened to me the last time I took a game's title at face value

[light swan]

46-:ri9 my beloved

[light swan]

LOL

[lavish apex]

every xc game but x, nier automata, hyper light drifter for me

[orchid spruce]

giantess dating sim?

[light swan]

i dont think omori has made me cry or ttgc and those are pretty good at making people cry i think

[vivid belfry]

IT PHYSICALLY MAIMED ME

[orchid spruce]

whats the name of that game

[light swan]

if theres anything else id cry over itd be ttgc

[orchid spruce]

i wanna wishlist it

[vivid belfry]

SAEKO

[lavish apex]

undertale and nier replicant too maybe? not sure

[orchid spruce]

ok on it

[graceful oyster]

Yeah see? It's that easy

[light swan]

why am i listening to cauldros i wanna play mio

[odd hull]

what's that

[light swan]

dlc expansion for xenoblade chronicles 2

[odd hull]

Oh

[vivid belfry]

that's insane

[light swan]

which part

[exotic dome]

i remember you mentioning this before. now i'm kinda interested and i don't know why

[vivid belfry]

Omori is the second worst it's ever been in terms of making me completely break down in tears

[light swan]

grover stop making people interested in Life Ruining Simulator you know what it did to you

[orchid spruce]

i never cried at a game before, except nine sols ending. got a bit emotional.

i am so heartless

[light swan]

ive seen some ppl scared to upload their xc3 playthroughs because theyre embarrased at how much they cried

[vivid belfry]

I know I'm a bad person, but I have an agenda to maintain

[lavish apex]

how much is saeko

[odd hull]

I think only TUNIC and Ender Lilies made me cry in my entire life.

[orchid spruce]

cheaper than silksong

[graceful oyster]

I've never dropped a tear at a game, a couple have made me well up a bit

[lavish apex]

actually i'll just check

[light swan]

wait hold on there was a youtuber who i watched a lot before xc3 released

[vivid belfry]

15 dollars at base, goes on sale every season

[heady iron]

I don't think I've had a game make me cry but I've had a TV show and book do so

[light swan]

who went silent when xc3 released

[vivid belfry]

it will be on switch in June

[graceful oyster]

If I replay 9S the Heng scenes will probably make me tear up

[lavish apex]

ok i'll try it when the switch port hits

[graceful oyster]

The music already almost does

[tawdry valley]

Peaks of yore

[orchid spruce]

why if and not when

[graceful oyster]

When is correct

[orchid spruce]

😠

[light swan]

of all the things ive read, this is one of them

[graceful oyster]

I misspoke

[orchid spruce]

[vivid belfry]

it does have a demo

[lavish apex]

i gotta get to umineko at some point

[vivid belfry]

you're supposed to start with Higurashi

[light swan]

WHEN i replay nine sols ill cry at the death of shanhai 9000 (cuz i think that happened)

[vivid belfry]

and I know nobody likes hearing that but it really is worth it

[graceful oyster]

When Jietong rises from the dead and kills Kuafu that made my heart melt

[light swan]

ive been wanting to replay xc3 but playthroughs take a while

[graceful oyster]

Wait that's the wrong terminology

[odd hull]

For a single moment I thought it would be 15 for me too. Damnnn

[graceful oyster]

(Or is it?)

[tawdry valley]

Bennet foddy if he was cooler and whimsical and soulful in the way old forests and harsh winters are

[lavish apex]

i have no excuse not to replay xc3 rn

[light swan]

and playing on my switch is inconvenient

also controller drift is annoying

[lavish apex]

but i have other stuff to play

[exotic dome]

it's 8 for me, it's tempting

[light swan]

i knocked a rock out of my controller when replaying fr

[vivid belfry]

I'm supposed to be playing Look Outside but it's scary

not in terms of horror but in terms of I have no fucking clue what I'm doing

[ancient mortar]

how far are you

[orchid spruce]

just look outside

[graceful oyster]

Oh hey Bwb is back

[exotic dome]

😔

[tawdry valley]

Peaks of yore makes me feel like I’m sitting on the edge of a cliff I just hiked on a summer afternoon - enjoying freshly ground coffee and a hard earned view - whether the climb is a 10 meter boulder or a 500 meter mountain.
It’s devious how the game normalizes and concentrates player confidence

[vivid belfry]

I got filtered by one of the first combat encounters and haven't gotten back into it yet

[odd hull]

Technically it's 9 dollars here. But I wanna buy some other things and Giantess Dating Sim being R$46.99 doesn't really help

[ancient mortar]

oh which encounter?

[light swan]

but hey if you dont like xc3 now then youll probably be finding ways to reaffirm your preconceived misnotions when replaying xc3 and thats not good for me! and you get to paly afterimage :D

[vivid belfry]

tooth mom

[tawdry valley]

@vivid belfry peaks of yore looks like a rage game meant to break the player but it’s actually the exact opposite despite everything you’d think after looking into it

[lavish apex]

i do like xc3

[tawdry valley]

I realized how familiar that’s sounds and had to share

[ancient mortar]

Oh yeah that dungeon is hard. just know you can do most non required areas at any point in the game

[lavish apex]

i dislike some things about it

[vivid belfry]

I was being too precious with healing resources and didn't know I was getting into a boss encounter

[ancient mortar]

so you can always come back at a higher level

[glacial kelp]

this is not true. i saw 4.5 bees the other day in 2014.

[lavish apex]

but to say i don't like the game as a whole at least somewhat would be false

[vivid belfry]

but also I wouldn't know I was being too precious because I don't know how to reliably make money yet

[light swan]

at least somewhat :(

[vivid belfry]

no I'm familiar with climbing games that are actually just supposed to be good

I played White Knuckle after all

[lavish apex]

the combat is fun even though i have gripes with it, the music is solid, sometimes fantastic, most of the quests are great

[tawdry valley]

That’s true but white knuckle looks frustrating and horrifying and actually is

[glacial kelp]

how could peaks of yore be bad when it has the word peak in it

[lavish apex]

the main story has great moments and i love the party as characters

[odd hull]

that's some logic

[tawdry valley]

I’m an adrenaline junkie and as such think white knuckle is peak, even though it’s also a very well designed puzzle platformer and roguelike

[graceful oyster]

First time seeing people talk about White Knuckle outside of my friend group

[exotic dome]

white knuckle was fun but i've never finished it i think

[tawdry valley]

You’re missing out

[odd hull]

First time hearing about it

[exotic dome]

is that sound pack a mod

[vivid belfry]

nobody's finished white knuckle because it doesn't have an ending yet

[light swan]

a quick nohit on the second final boss of mio reaffirmed my love for this game

[graceful oyster]

Funnily enough silos is some of the only gameplay I've seen of it

[tawdry valley]

Good, find the cool shit yourself

[vivid belfry]

silos feels like home to me now

[graceful oyster]

I won't be playing this I don't think

[glacial kelp]

i would never play a game with hornet in it

[tawdry valley]

No you install the game and you need to kill 3D moss mother in the tutorial

[light swan]

my brother hates xc3 because he doesnt like the characters

as in none of them appeal to him and he thinks their designs are lame and boring

i definitively think he only played xc2 for the badoinkadoinks

[exotic dome]

the game is playable again, im downloading it

[tawdry valley]

I am most and least comfortable in silos based entirely on whether or not I’m in air ventilation

[glacial kelp]

is white knuckle like purely exploration

[light swan]

stayed for the postgame customization but earlygame xc3 doesnt have postgame customization OR badoinkadoinks

[tawdry valley]

WK has a free demo and an early access state that’s good enough to be full release but is actually only 60% of the game

[graceful oyster]

He would be in the same pool as probably like 40% of xc players

[vivid belfry]

air exchange doesn't have shit on the fourth area

[exotic dome]

what are the odds that he just says this to ragebait you

[light swan]

high

i know he tries to ragebait me a lot but of all the things that arent ragebait, xc3 proably is one of them

[exotic dome]

purely climbing

[tawdry valley]

There are sections that don’t have a time pressure mechanic.
100% of the game rewards you for exploring, most of the game has you being chased or hunted as a way to punish falling and reward using items/shortcuts creative planning

[light swan]

how would you know

[graceful oyster]

Uhh, I've always had a knack for good estimates based on shreds of info

[exotic dome]

yea i've played it before

[glacial kelp]

idk if i jive with pure climbing but it looks really good

[light swan]

for example your opinion on nine sols i see

[graceful oyster]

So you can trust me on this

[ancient mortar]

Im still deliberating on what game i'll play next. im probably gonna do a signalis challenge run but im not sure what next. Maybe ill replay some other old games in my library.

[graceful oyster]

That's an opinion, not an estimate

[lavish apex]

i also think exploring the map in 3 is generally better than in the other numbered games

[tawdry valley]

It’s a puzzle game with a horror coat of paint and movement+roguelike mechanics

[light swan]

interesting

(and absolutely 100% correct)

[graceful oyster]

Have you
Played
Nine sols?
Perhaps?

[lavish apex]

future redeemed cranks that up to 11, the gameplay loop there is crack