sk-discussion

[unkempt steeple]

Stop talking about honeyslop! This is a silkslop channel

[orchid spruce]

I swear I just saw something like I like to eat crystal honey

[unkempt steeple]

Talk about eating SILK

[idle sparrow]

Um uhh… try to guess this place…

[hallow heron]

smh if you want to talk about bees go to #hk-discussion

[hallow heron]

forgotten crossroads

[orchid spruce]

[burnt obsidian]

I was way underprepared for Steel Soul too I literally was like "Eh, sure I'll knock him out while I'm still in Bilewater and got him 4th try

[unkempt steeple]

Yeah we HATE bees over here

[graceful oyster]

What of it

[idle sparrow]

[burnt obsidian]

Clown Tent of Silksanity Central

[idle sparrow]

[normal bramble]

Clearly high halls

[orchid spruce]

does it taste good

[unkempt steeple]

Deep slops

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-reference-i-got-that-reference-baseball-caught-gif-4656907955966418579

[tight meadow]

Has anyone made a website for PharloomGuessr

[graceful oyster]

It tastes like honey
But the texture is magnificent

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jiu-jitsu-lobotomy-kaisen-roblox-gif-17518866990382830732

[unkempt steeple]

What's so high about those halls

[tight meadow]

Sinners road lace duh

[hallow heron]

https://silksongdle.com/location

[unkempt steeple]

Oh

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jiu-jitsu-lobotomy-kaisen-roblox-gif-17518866990382830732

[glacial kelp]

the silksongdle kinda has this but its fairly easy

[orchid spruce]

honestly never ate raw honey in my life

[chilly glacier]

just because something can't legally be called something doesn't mean it's unhealthy or bad for you. A lot of countries just have strict classifications for what counts as what. I know it sounds horrible, or evil, but ultimately it's more of a neutral tell. It's just proof it's not authentically real full honey. But regardless, just because certain cheeses or broths might not legally count as a cheese or a broth doesn't mean that it isn't socially still a cheese or a broth, and it doesn't mean that's bad or unhealthy. It CAN be, but it doesn't mean that it inherently is.

[fading fog]

Pharloom's Lava Refinery

[tight meadow]

Is that only daily?

[earnest drift]

heaven

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ohio-speed-w-speed-ohio-speed-gif-15207259727360879344

[unkempt steeple]

Silk>>>>>

[hallow heron]

yes but there’s an archive

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[earnest drift]

actually lace's first bossfight being surrounded by lava is symbolic of the fact she's going to hell

or is the abyss hell

[thorny mica]

Fighting in heaven and hell

[orchid spruce]

aaaa so many chores to do, dishes and then cook rice and food

[chilly glacier]

I can't wait for Hollow Knight: Hive Queen so we can disprove this opinion

[wind mulch]

american produce is famously terrible quality, sure u can get into the semantics but id rather just hate the companies and terrible food safety standards that are unfortunately placed on the american people

[orchid spruce]

lets procrastinate and ugh play grime

[thorny mica]

Is the second fight with the pale roses counting as heaven or something else?

[glacial kelp]

hornets first fight is in grass does that mean she goes to the ground

[exotic dome]

my country suffers the same issue because they bended the regulation laws in favor of food companies. i can tell you it's mostly very unhealthy

[thorny mica]

Do have fun!!!

[wind mulch]

it should not be legal to call something that is barely honey, honey

[unkempt steeple]

I van wait becuse spiders rule and bees drool

[chilly glacier]

fair.

[orchid spruce]

[tight meadow]

So if I were to make one like hyruleguessr I'd be better

[glacial kelp]

the silksongdle one rn is pretty easy

[tight meadow]

I'll make one but I play on switch so I can't get pictures 💀

Unless anyone knows a way to convert switch picture to PC

[thorny mica]

Given that Sea of Sorrow seems to more or less have one year of development, how big do you think it's going to be?

Like will it be a new self-contained area with a few bosses oor...?

[chilly glacier]

you used to be able to post to twitter, but the best way now is like, to get an SD card, put all images on the SD card, take it out, put it in a computer, and then take them out of the SD card

[orchid spruce]

far more than one year, i think. they probably cut some parts from the base game that they didn't feel ready and intend to release it with the next DLC

[chilly glacier]

hollow knight DLC's always added on top of the world, but then again a "sea" sounds like a new area. But maybe it's inside someone's head? a sea of sorrow within someone's head?

[thorny mica]

It's genuinely really hard to wrap my head around of what it could possibly be given that... Well, Act 3 is a bit of a strange moment to have Hornet doing on an EVEN BIGGER side quest than the Flea Festival and all that, eheheh

[chilly glacier]

I mean DLC might not be JUST for act 3, it might be for earlier. In fact I personally hope it's earlier.

[worldly umbra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/438650836940357633/1018574154292793435/widecatty.gif

[chilly glacier]

Did something say Sea of Sorrow was for Act 3?

[worldly umbra]

we dont know yet

[orchid spruce]

they can put it in act 3 as an attempt to salvage that mess or be a chad and let act 3 remain trash so others can be better

[tacit relic]

Not fair... I got 90 in flea dodge and I'm still below seth....

[thorny mica]

It could be like the Grimm Troupe in that it is designed to be encountered all the way early in the game but lasts deep into the end game

[chilly glacier]

Seth is KING!

[light swan]

so i stumbled into a boss right as i was planning on going

[normal bramble]

Idk I found Grimm troupe and just dropped everything else to do it

[pallid pine]

Endogeny vessel sprite

[orchid spruce]

blasphemous 2?

is it THAT fight?

[worldly umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232612251358335027/1335955564521455667/ezgif-11ec474cb3a95.gif

[tacit relic]

Like... wdym 68 pogos, my hands start shaking afte 60.

[normal bramble]

Albeit I did also just get pure nail so idk if it still counts as early game…

[light swan]

||fire guy||

[thorny mica]

Oh yeah absolutely same.
Only found it after I had gotten the first ending

[light swan]

definitely not that fight

[pallid pine]

Tf is this gif 😭😭

Whats the backstory-

[orchid spruce]

i forgot who ||fire guy|| is, so must have been mid

[normal bramble]

I have only fought 1 dreamer so far

I was just exploring and found it

[worldly umbra]

caretaker of cat taking cat away for cleaning feeder

[graceful oyster]

[pallid pine]

Damn thought it was a crime

[worldly umbra]

but he is still hungry 🙁

[normal bramble]

Nightmare king Grimm was definitely worth the massive detour

10/10 fight up there with Karmelita and Phantom

[orchid spruce]

what does this even mean

[graceful oyster]

Fire guy

[latent terrace]

Sahhhhhh

[graceful oyster]

I'm just solsrotted don't mind me

[orchid spruce]

[worldly umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1471382751805571253/1471382752296177848/savesumforme-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[latent terrace]

Do you guys bow with Grimm or hit him when he's bowing?

[worldly umbra]

bow to him

[tacit relic]

Until you have to beat his score.

I'd rather fight him again and finish him off once and for all.

[normal bramble]

I bow’d the first time then hit him the second cause I didn’t know

[worldly umbra]

i love seth

[normal bramble]

My friend was on vc and heard my absolute horror at seeing him instantly go to phase 2

[worldly umbra]

totally didnt make a doc about a seth game full of lore cough cough shameless plug cough

[normal bramble]

(Won that fight but still)

[tacit relic]

I wish hornet had lore accurate health.

[light swan]

||sidonis, this old grandpa who turns into a lady n shit||

[tacit relic]

It took the knight 40 hits just to beat her.

Maybe more.

[orchid spruce]

OHHH, that one. I liked it.

[worldly umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/our-brains-are-shrinking

[light swan]

literally just bullet hell

[orchid spruce]

that boss is bottom B in my tier list

[tacit relic]

I haven't played hk yet.

[thorny mica]

We technically get to see a glimpse of that when we are slurping up Grand Mother Silk in the uuuh non-act 3 ending

[tacit relic]

Assuming

Hornet is probably stronger there.

[thorny mica]

Such a goddamn amazing sequence, ngl

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

[tacit relic]

Yeah, not the prequal.

[tight meadow]

Small problem: My new laptop don't got a SD or microsd card

[normal bramble]

Eh

[worldly umbra]

btw she is kinda weaker in ss cuz she gets her powers taken away at the start and has to gain them back and the ones she gets are weaker than the ones she had in hk

[normal bramble]

She’s tankier but she move so SLOW 😭

Well lore wise she’s stronger but

[proud plume]

when does seth appear in greymoor

[exotic dome]

kinda mid tbh only the aesthetics was cool

[orchid spruce]

i think i took 3 tries on that

average blasphemous 2 boss

[worldly umbra]

after you beat him and wait a bit (idk how long but just search)

[tacit relic]

😭

[light swan]

literally just fucking bullet hell

[proud plume]

i accidentally broke hornet stattuete what do I do?

[wide coral]

guys , how do I get into this fkn quest boss

[tight meadow]

If I were to get a collection of silksong places could you help me rank them on difficulty @idle sparrow

[graceful oyster]

Enjoy the free shards!

[worldly umbra]

thru hunters march, i wont say where

[tight meadow]

Go to red place karmelitta statue and go up

[proud plume]

go to carmelita statue in hunter march and silk soar

[narrow bramble]

You know that karmelita statue

[wide coral]

I don't even know where tf is that

but hunter marche ok

[tight meadow]

bro this is discussion not help

[patent cosmos]

It’s yuri time

[tight meadow]

Tall room on the right somewhere

[worldly umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1471382751805571253/1471382752296177848/savesumforme-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[earnest drift]

this is good

[orchid spruce]

i'm waiting for you to reach the addslop boss so we can rant together, illusion

[narrow bramble]

Sorry i dont like yuri

[patent cosmos]

hi lace

[exotic dome]

same

[orchid spruce]

[tight meadow]

__| ← here

[patent cosmos]

Why

[earnest drift]

yuri is better than hollow knight

[tight meadow]

In hunter march that's the shape

[tight meadow]

Phone Yuri is peak

[earnest drift]

this is cute

[tight meadow]

iPhone and Google Pixel

[light swan]

4 tries

[narrow bramble]

Becuz... i don't like 💔

[tight meadow]

Those videos are so entertaining

[light swan]

technically 3 since i died immediately on my 1st one

[patent cosmos]

You’re cringe

[tacit relic]

Why does shakra still call me a child?

[earnest drift]

she is stupid

[orchid spruce]

fair

[worldly umbra]

what the hell are we talking about

[normal bramble]

Short

[patent cosmos]

Hornet is into that

[light swan]

my most recent death, bro was literally 1 hit away but for some reason the game decided to not let me hop on the hoop

[tacit relic]

...

[narrow bramble]

:c

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-4chan-reddit-gif-12469709983918782970

[earnest drift]

serious answer, hornet looks like a child

[tacit relic]

It's like... she's seeing me through the screen.

[earnest drift]

pale wyrm genes

[normal bramble]

Hornet is SHORTTTT

[tight meadow]

Yup

[tight meadow]

Not really

[patent cosmos]

petpetpet

[orchid spruce]

all of this is for one boss, power through it, illusion

[normal bramble]

Compared to Shakra

[tight meadow]

For the pale king's child

[light swan]

i already defeated it

[tight meadow]

Pale king is short

[normal bramble]

Ok but compare her to shakra

[orchid spruce]

huh, what?

[tacit relic]

I think hornet is taller than most.

[patent cosmos]

Anyways yuri

[light swan]

onn my "4th" attempt

[normal bramble]

Shakra is like 2x hornets height

[tight meadow]

Phone yuri

[orchid spruce]

but the boss is end-game

[tacit relic]

They're tall because they're furry.

[narrow bramble]

No wait, hornet still have the same size from hollow knight right

[patent cosmos]

Shakra is freakishly tall

[tacit relic]

Or fat.

[tight meadow]

Poshanka

[orchid spruce]

i mean, the only good boss of blasphemous 2, not the fire guy

[light swan]

oh nvm i thought you were talking about the boss i just beat

[tacit relic]

Only shakra is truly tall.

[tight meadow]

All of the dreamers

[patent cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/shakra-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-poshanka-gif-13569590462274981095

[worldly umbra]

how do yall like this map (my own project nothing related to hk)

[tight meadow]

Watcher knights

[light swan]

i skipped the last phase of stupid guy but the video doesnt wanna send

[normal bramble]

I eternally find it hilarous that Shakra does the “how to talk to short people”

[earnest drift]

she is insensitive

[light swan]

looks a bit similar to hk man

[patent cosmos]

Shakra needs to kiss

[worldly umbra]

anyone says im copying hk is a nerd there is just coral and silksong didnt invent coral

[tight meadow]

Capital should be at center ngl

[patent cosmos]

Specifically Hornet

[rocky jolt]

tis just pharloom but different

[worldly umbra]

youve said this before

[light swan]

idk man its like, identical to silksongs map

[fiery burrow]

Silksong didn't have the coral area anyway dw twin 🌹

[patent cosmos]

Hornet and Shakra need to kiss and passionately make out

[worldly umbra]

ok if i could tell you the lore it would be crazy

[rocky jolt]

wait yea ur the same guy

[worldly umbra]

i probably cant even say it here

[orchid spruce]

Hollow Knight invented metroidvania, people just call it metroidvania instead of hollowlike to be edgy 💔

[worldly umbra]

if you want it though i can dm you it cough shameless plug couf

[rocky jolt]

hollow knight invented pogoing

[tacit relic]

I want to raid the flea caravan.

I mean topia.

And just steal everything atp.

[patent cosmos]

Hornet and Second Sentinel need to passionately make out

[wraith python]

Nothing to do with hk... right 🙄 😑 🫣

[tight meadow]

Farloom

😭😭😭

[rocky jolt]

out? is that like a food or what

[tacit relic]

Second Sentinel is machine.

[patent cosmos]

So?

[tight meadow]

Pharloom is phar for pharlids and loom like for silk

[exotic dome]

hollowknightlike and its subgenre: silksouls

[worldly umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329584780840534069/1474877795153871140/image0-1.gif

[tight meadow]

Far as in far from home

[rocky jolt]

if act 2 deep docks is called deeper docks then act 3 far fields should be called further fields

[tacit relic]

Does he have lips?

[patent cosmos]

Does he know

[exotic dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1488257979336888462/descendant.gif

[patent cosmos]

Don’t care, they still need to make out

[trail orchid]

POV: Mario is about to whack you

[rocky jolt]

parent youre frying me

[tight meadow]

Are the huge things by the twelfth architect the other 3 choruses

[tacit relic]

In that case I wish this game had an affection system.

[patent cosmos]

Yep

[patent cosmos]

I know! It would be so freaking awesome

[tight meadow]

So bro got dropped in lava and went evil

[worldly umbra]

ts required path to beat it btw

[rocky jolt]

coral tower wouldve been way better if it was called quirrel tower

if you disagree your name is lace

[graceful oyster]

Coral Tower (Core-awl), meet Choral Chambers (Core-awl)

[patent cosmos]

I think Lace, Shakra, Second Sentinel, Phantom Twelfth Architect, Karmelita, and The Green Prince should have routes

[heady iron]

Altered Alma is a metroidvania with romance options

Too bad the controls suck ass

[worldly umbra]

what you guys want it to be perfect here

[exotic dome]

the dating sim mode

[patent cosmos]

I should make a Silksong dating sim

[narrow bramble]

Lace dlc where she tryna date someone

[latent terrace]

Dating Sim mode and it's just another liquid lacquer delivery quest or courier rasher

[worldly umbra]

ok actually what do yall not like about ts map

[worldly umbra]

(one person)

[patent cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/lacenet-hornet-lace-silksong-yuri-kiss-gif-16352619987419486322

[worthy lintel]

I wish the Bellhome upgrades were more useful, the Ventrica could've linked up to more places but it just takes you right outside 😔

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-eating-jerma-gif-24876775

[tawdry socket]

Is groal as hard as people say or is it just the runback

[tacit relic]

I hate getting jumped by fleas from three sides.

[patent cosmos]

Frog dispenser

[worthy lintel]

Runback IMO

[narrow bramble]

And yes, i despise myself on not liking yuri, yeah i like yuri now boi

[patent cosmos]

Ass Jim was neat

[patent cosmos]

YAY!!! YURI!!!!

[worldly umbra]

hey i colored the map

[narrow bramble]

Ass jim was my final ingredient boss btw

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-lugoli-disgraced-chef-lugoli-booty-kiss-the-chef-gif-7079310060936712744

[rocky jolt]

can you add dantes inferno and the seven rings to this

[patent cosmos]

waow…

[graceful oyster]

<@&283547423706447872> This is #sk-discussion so we follow the no lacenet rule here yeah?

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-submarine-location-echolocation-gif-27080631

[graceful oyster]

This person definitely already knows

[rocky jolt]

@ mods i called in to say hi

[worldly umbra]

i think i did right (idk what that is)

[bitter briar]

Hey it’s the place in Ultrakill

[rocky jolt]

thanks

[heady iron]

#art-discussion is where the free live

[graceful oyster]

True

Go there

[idle sparrow]

Sure

[fiery burrow]

Ultrakill 🤔

[tawdry socket]

Literally 1984

[fiery burrow]

What is it with indie devs and putting areas in their games that are just a mishmash of previous ones

E33 Silksong Ultrakill Dusk

Always a bummer

[opaque sigil]

I want to add something to the list that does it better but won't

[fiery burrow]

Spoilers smh

[worldly umbra]

i wanna make a forever raining floating tree has that already been done

[opaque sigil]

mhm

[rocky jolt]

silksong should add deepnest but brown

[steep jolt]

shitnest

[short crest]

After watching a tutorial on Mt Fay cuz I suck at platforming let's just say IM NOT GETTING Faydown Cloak😔✌️

[opaque sigil]

you have to

[short crest]

IkIk

[steep jolt]

just give me the controller brodie

[opaque sigil]

just bring flintslate

[steep jolt]

nah theres actually a super easy way to skip a bunch of it

[short crest]

I dod

[steep jolt]

just use silk soar it skips like 99%

[short crest]

I did bring flintslate

[steep jolt]

pimpillo removes your freezing instead of just pausing it

[short crest]

Cap

[rocky jolt]

bro getting filtered by sum snow

[rotund gate]

another chorus model

[short crest]

⚙️

[rotund gate]

wait what if there was another chorus model that chased you throughout the cogwork core

[steep jolt]

it does

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-dunk-lebron-old-leold-lebron-missed-dunk-gif-17273288420243887330

[steep jolt]

the choruses are in the cauldron

[steep jolt]

holy airball

[rotund gate]

then how did one get all the way to fucking far fields

[short crest]

I need to change my mindset

[steep jolt]

it was probably a mining golem

[fiery burrow]

Spot the ugly fraud level

[short crest]

To hunt down seamstress

[steep jolt]

is this minecraft

[rotund gate]

i meant HOW not WHY

[heady iron]

It took the bellways

[opaque sigil]

this is some cherrypicking

[steep jolt]

citadel shipped it there duh

[rotund gate]

the choir bugs gotta disassemble and reassemble the choruses parts just to take ts anywhere

no wait the underworkers

[steep jolt]

they wouldnt let the underworkers move

instead of amazon the citadel has verdania

[fiery burrow]

you're right 8-2 has the roblox obby arena

[rotund gate]

😭

[graceful oyster]

Is this really Ultrakill

[candid kayak]

it was sent there
if you're asking how it physically got there, idk the backgrounds show large open caverns so probably through those

[fiery burrow]

Yeah that's a secret room though so its not a biiiig deal

[rotund gate]

Yes

[candid kayak]

the WORLD isn't 2D but the gameplay is

[rotund gate]

Ok true

[steep jolt]

thats called 2.5d

[rotund gate]

I meant where would bro leave the citadel

[rocky jolt]

That daft old fellow over there... He keeps talking absolute drivel. Seems to think the very air is deadly down in the caverns. Perhaps he should consider not breathing.

[steep jolt]

zote

[rotund gate]

Like it probably would make more sense if it was disassembled and reassembled elsewhere kinda like cranes in the real world but still

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fog-the-fog-discord-server-sil-cat-screaming-in-agony-and-fear-gif-13625174301910718456

[candid kayak]

it's such a good quote

[steep jolt]

personal favorite is it just fell accidentally from the cauldron to far fields

[rotund gate]

“man what the fuck is this place”
-fourth chorus probably idk

[candid kayak]

it tripped

on a bell probably

[graceful oyster]

Ultrakill is so ass I have no clue how so many people play this

[tacit relic]

WHY SIXTY...

[fiery burrow]

Its a pretty fun shooter annoying fandom aside

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[candid kayak]

did you want 59 instead?

[leaden delta]

ultrakill is ass when you click cybergrind. this is an easy fix

[tacit relic]

I want 69.

[candid kayak]

[rotund gate]

The ultrakill fandom is almost as bad as the undertale fandom 🙏

[rotund gate]

5000 mirror reapers

[river cave]

folks i discovered that if you dont have a desk you can just assemble the materium on the ground

[rotund gate]

fr??

[river cave]

YEAH its so stupid. i have a pic but i cant post it 😔

[tacit relic]

Dw. Ik.

[fiery burrow]

ultrakill fans when you want to talk about the game instead of repeating minos prime quotes for 30 minutes

[rotund gate]

or sisphyus
or gabriel

by the way why is the ultrakill community so downbad for these fucking characters

[tacit relic]

My heart's beating so fast.

[fiery burrow]

just make odysseus mute atp 🙏

[rotund gate]

wtf happened

[tacit relic]

68 pogos.

[leaden delta]

<333333333333

[tacit relic]

I need.

[rotund gate]

thank god it wasnt 67

[leaden delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1491556848669822997/image0.jpg?ex=69d82010&is=69d6ce90&hm=98fa672c4ea40d4f5682126e705fefe5d63ad648eea2725dc948fed96671920a&

[tacit relic]

I had sixty.

Twice.

[rotund gate]

Sentries are NOT that bad bro

[fair berry]

||I HATE GROALLLL||

[keen solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-fraud-mirror-reaper-hello-chat-hello-gif-4369013222659601369

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/fourth-chorus-silksong-hollow-knight-boss-hornet-gif-13663543939265240984

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/bren-microwave-society-brenmws-mws-disappointed-gif-3663785616250772047

[leaden delta]

disagree. They’re reaaally ass when there’s any other important guy on the screen

[keen solstice]

Meh
Nothing beats mirror reapers guttertanks swordsmachines at being annoying as hell

[leaden delta]

I was gonna say arguably more than virtues but that’s lying

[rotund gate]

No they arent bro 😭

[fiery burrow]

mirror reaper is such a great fight in 8-2 😔

[rotund gate]

Like usually i dont have an issue with the sentries

Except maybe that one fuckass room in 8-3

[leaden delta]

when uncommons spawn in clumps

OHH. This is cybergrind that’s why we’re confused

[rotund gate]

Malicious faces too gng 😭

[leaden delta]

this is cg

[junior citrus]

67

[rotund gate]

Oh this is an enemy tierlist for the cybergrind?? 😭

[keen solstice]

Now fight him in cybergrind

[junior citrus]

don't shit on the Maurice 💔

[leaden delta]

YEA LOL that’s my default assumption whenever I talk about ultrakill stuff most of the time

[rotund gate]

cybergring

[keen solstice]

Eh, maurices only become annoying in closed areas, virtues are much worse

[tacit relic]

What is this...

[leaden delta]

Yea this is cg

[tacit relic]

The way she's running.

[junior citrus]

even in yomi hustles virtues are still annoying as SHIT I fucking HATE virtues

[candid kayak]

scuttle

[rotund gate]

malicious faces are as annoying as mirror reapers because they wont stop SHOOTING HELL PROJECTILES WHILE YOUR FOCUSING ON SOMETHING ELSE

[tacit relic]

How come I never knew about it.

[rotund gate]

and they spawn SO MUCH

[candid kayak]

you can even climb up walls while scuttling

[rotund gate]

No

[keen solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-fraud-mirror-reaper-gif-12160788005456635633

[rotund gate]

Not ts mirror reaper

[keen solstice]

Maurice is free parries

Mirror reapers are just hell incarnate

[rotund gate]

No its just they spawn so fucking much its honestly annoying as hell

[leaden delta]

ok let’s calm down

[rotund gate]

Also on a slightly unrelated note i am SCARED for the EVIL that is going to be P-3 and 8-E

[leaden delta]

maurices r ok! they can hitscan you for 50 and that’s ass but like

all things considered. yk

[rotund gate]

better than the power

[leaden delta]

ily powers

[rotund gate]

i find it so hard to parry the power consistently

[keen solstice]

Five.
Hundred.
Powers.

[rotund gate]

and they are so annoying yet dangerous at the same time

[leaden delta]

I’m really glad they exist. sick ass enemy

[exotic dome]

team cherry designing their slop games

[leaden delta]

I REALLY like them

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/high-cortisol-cortisol-cortisol-high-cortisol-spike-annoying-orange-gif-5824558491752228689

[keen solstice]

Powers when you parry them with no ground under them:

https://tenor.com/view/fall-kirby-drop-falling-deep-gif-17081698

[chilly glacier]

I do wish that silksong rewarded you more for doing things

[exotic dome]

no fuck you here is your frayed rosary string

[leaden delta]

yeahhh it’s something you have to go into sandbox for

[rotund gate]

sea of sorrow when

[leaden delta]

powers r a hard enemy

[exotic dome]

tomorrow

[rocky jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203893970015354890/1487911583697993979/attachment.gif

[rotund gate]

(i still cant beat P-1 btw 🗣️ 🔥)

[leaden delta]

it’s ok tho. he’s good :)

[keen solstice]

Powers have 3 ways to parry them

[exotic dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1490780947891880038/20260405_093219.gif

[keen solstice]

Final greatsword hit
Rapier lunge
Glaive throw

[rotund gate]

we censoring ANYTHING in big 26

[rocky jolt]

nice gif bro

[leaden delta]

spear can be parried too

[keen solstice]

When they actually throw it at you

[leaden delta]

which they do

[keen solstice]

They always miss if you're moving

[candid kayak]

yeah, 7 billion people, what about them?

[leaden delta]

it’s just a matter of you need to focus on them

you can’t autopilot them in the same way you can flayers or insurrs for example

[fiery burrow]

unalive 7 billion people 😨

[steep jolt]

oh god... im sick. im so fucking scared.

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[proud plume]

guys i just defeated lost garmond where do i find him now

[fiery burrow]

thought these screenshots were probably faked until I visited #hk-general

[fiery burrow]

That's the end of his quest

[proud plume]

wdym

[exotic dome]

it's over bro

[lavish apex]

yeah that's fair, i don't really have a problem with it but it's definitely less interesting than the first part

[steep jolt]

hes dead

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[heady iron]

He's just sleeping, come back after 2000 hours of gameplay

[rotund gate]

yeah

dont forget to bring uh
alcohol

[steep jolt]

aint no way bro doesnt like the silly gang

ignore my first message btw

[heady iron]

For some reason i thought Zaza was female

[steep jolt]

hes still fucking dead

[split lodge]

ZANZIBOOOO

[fiery burrow]

i thought zaza was the brains of the pair when i first saw them ngl

[rotund gate]

indian femboy

[digital hazel]

wdym "Lost Garmond" go find hi-

[rotund gate]

Ok

[heady iron]

He's their one brain cell

[split lodge]

Hah! Fret not, little one…

[steep jolt]

how do you genuinely think this

[split lodge]

Be proud, you’ve grown strong!!!

Zaza, let us rest for a while…

And then… we’ll be away…

[steep jolt]

hes losing himself

[rotund gate]

because garmond got lost and zaza didnt

[heady iron]

Got lost in the sauce

[rotund gate]

thus zaza is the brains because its (idk what it identifies as)

[split lodge]

Why is your name karm simp but your profile pic gron

[rotund gate]

Because its funny

[graceful oyster]

Oh dang Starpengu is dark and evil now

[rotund gate]

Evil Dark Starpengu

[heady iron]

You didn't read the hidden lore tablet about Gron's secret affair with Karmelita?

[earnest drift]

is needing to gather three old hearts in order to bring the everbloom into reality a retcon

[heady iron]

Cheating on Signis, how vulgar

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-reason-2-die-awakening-reason-2-die-r2da-ready-2-die-gif-13327654603433773238

[rotund gate]

ForeBROTHERS

[earnest drift]

in hollow knight the knight could bring physical objects from the dream realm into reality without the need for any sources of power

[split lodge]

Did karm cheat on signis with gron or did gron cheat on signis with karm?!

Clarify!!!

[heady iron]

No

[earnest drift]

like half of kingsoul and lifeblood core

[rotund gate]

Horrible mispell

[heady iron]

Yeah Monty python is so 1960s

[rotund gate]

Also again ForeBROTHERS

[heady iron]

Brothers in Arms 💪

[split lodge]

Got jumped by gron in lower docks and wondering why this enemy looked weird and found out he’s half of a bossfight

[rotund gate]

Gms tried to fit in

[split lodge]

Gron: grand mommy silk fill me up (?)

[quartz roost]

kliS hertoM dnarG. Her name backwards

[rotund gate]

???? 😭 😭

[graceful oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1456122353531621500/image0.gif

[earnest drift]

0 days without being weird about silksong characters

[quartz roost]

Do we ask about your user?

[rotund gate]

Who cares

the GMS one was just weird 😭

[exotic dome]

choral chambers and gron

[quartz roost]

Lace... Very important question: you're not... Weird with Lace, right?

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-higuruma-jjk-season-3-gif-4667305439104820644

[heady iron]

Very important question: you're not...weird with beast crest, right?

[earnest drift]

why

[quartz roost]

No I'm not

[quartz roost]

Wanted to make sure you didn't mean yourself was being weird about Silksong characters... also she's a child

[earnest drift]

i love lace as a character but i'm aroace i'm not attracted to anyone skhcbsjsjdcjn

[earnest drift]

where is this coming from

like why are you asking me

[rotund gate]

Yeah fr

[heady iron]

Bro's never heard of larping

[quartz roost]

Because of this... Just wanted to make sure you weren't saying you yourself made it 0 days

[quartz roost]

Oh... Sorry for asking you then. I apologize

[heady iron]

He's just imagining gron being like traitor lord in accepting the infection

[rotund gate]

I think he meant something else 🥀

[split lodge]

I can respect every crest user except reaper mains

[split lodge]

With silk????

[rotund gate]

There was absolutely no context gng how would we know

Also why would Gron care

[split lodge]

The haunting is literally happening 💀

[undone gate]

Why can't you respect Reaper Mains

[split lodge]

Because every other crest does what it does but better

[quartz roost]

I respect every crest user... Sure there are some crests I myself don't like but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have respect for those that use them

[rotund gate]

because they like grimm whos main color is red and thats connected to v2 and banban and that all ties back into reaper crests evil side dark scary reaper crest which steals peoples desks at night then destroys pure vessel fans with it

[quartz roost]

So it's a jack of all trades master of none. What's the problem with that?

[split lodge]

Sir it’s a jack of 0 trades

[rotund gate]

what the hell did i even say

[rotund gate]

I smell wanderer mains

[undone gate]

True I respect if you are any crest main as long as you aren't toxic about it

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-496833742737182965

[split lodge]

I’m a hunter (max evolved) main

[quartz roost]

That's a good option! In my opinion anyways

[rotund gate]

Why does hunter get eva evolution but no other crest does

It wouldve been cool if you were able to choose what crest you were able to get more insight into

And not have it be just hunters 🥀

[quartz roost]

Ummm, you just pretty much implied a moment ago it can do everything but it's not the best at any

[undone gate]

Because Hunter is the starting crest so it starts of pretty weak and needs upgrades I don't really know the reason

[broken seal]

It's the only crest with no passive/special ability

[rotund gate]

Thats lame 🥀
but makes sense

[quartz roost]

So it wouldn't get left behind power wise. They can't make it too strong to start with so you have to upgrade it, if the other crests got upgrades too then hunter would get left behind again

[rotund gate]

Does wanderer not have a passive or am i stupid

[split lodge]

It ain’t a jack of any trade if it’s 0 on every stat

[broken seal]

Crits

[undone gate]

It has crits

[broken seal]

If it had anything better than that it'd be even more braindead 😭

[orchid spruce]

whopping 2% dps increase

[undone gate]

It's 4% damage increase

[quartz roost]

Just no?

[lucid trellis]

im going to strangle this purple fucker

[orchid spruce]

did it get buffed since i played

[lavish apex]

no it's just a 2% chance for triple damage

not double damage

[quartz roost]

Did y'all do the math on it's average DPS increase?

[lucid trellis]

2.2 with dice

[undone gate]

No crits deal triple damage so 2% damage becomes 6% so 98+6=104% which is 4% extra damage

[rotund gate]

Meow

[quartz roost]

Whoo??

[orchid spruce]

oh, so it's a whopping 6% dps increase

[rotund gate]

-# also technically being cloakless means you have no passive or special either

[lucid trellis]

tormented trobbio

[orchid spruce]

nvm it's a whopping 4% dps increase

[broken seal]

That's not a real crest 💀

[quartz roost]

With luck it could go up a large amount... But that's luck

[orchid spruce]

been long since i do maths, ok

[rotund gate]

i said technically for a reason

[quartz roost]

Oh. What'd he do??

[undone gate]

And it's 4.4% with the Dice

[lucid trellis]

the crits

[lucid trellis]

my fucking eyes

[orchid spruce]

whopping 4.4% dps increase

[quartz roost]

Oh lol

[rotund gate]

Same bro

[orchid spruce]

[rotund gate]

God can tc PLEASE add an option to reduce the visual effects on the trobbio fights they are far too much

[undone gate]

Technically you also need more than 9 silk to even activate the crits for happening

[lucid trellis]

in other news, an arc main is loving the shawman crest

[orchid spruce]

whopping 3% dps increase

[rotund gate]

Rizz

[lucid trellis]

I'm planning to finally kill beastfly with it

and if that fails its time for the whiteward rosary grind

[rotund gate]

[heady iron]

luigi_falling_asleep_crest_slop_discourse.gif

[lucid trellis]

god I wish shard bundles where cheaper

[rotund gate]

Good Luck fighting that thing in act 3 bro

[orchid spruce]

i don't love the systems in GRIME level up, distribute points, traits, weapons... nothing really sticks except for parry

[graceful oyster]

[rotund gate]

the steel soul exclusive item making them actually useless:

[orchid spruce]

i really wanted to love this game

[undone gate]

Tormented Trobbio bomb attack is like one of the hardest attacks to consistently dodge

[lucid trellis]

me, whos died probably over 300 times at this point:

[rotund gate]

…level up?

[orchid spruce]

and stamina too...

[rotund gate]

[orchid spruce]

not really level-up level-up but kinda

[rotund gate]

are you even talking about silksong

[orchid spruce]

currency is also exp, you could say that

[split lodge]

It makes less of a difference when I’m trying to do the sub 30 hour 100% run on steel soul

[lucid trellis]

fun fact: in act 3 the grand reeds became much worse to grind compared to the 3 surgeons in whiteward (die quickly if you use shaman + volt cross stitch) and drop 52 rosaries each with theifs mark

[rotund gate]

dont two of them die

[split lodge]

Or pale nails

[rotund gate]

like two get crushed under rocks

[lucid trellis]

yep, thats why the grand reeds fucking suck in act 3

[rotund gate]

why are they like never used

[lucid trellis]

only 2 55 rosary enemies

[split lodge]

But it’s one of the spawn points of second sentinel my beloved

[rotund gate]

them and the memoria they spawn like 3 times in the entire game

[lucid trellis]

so 110 rosarys per run compared to the 156 per in whiteward, thankfully they have a nearby bench

With sylphsong its much better

[split lodge]

Pro tip farm 3k coins before act 3

[lucid trellis]

already ankle deep in act 3

[split lodge]

That’d suffice for all your act 3 spendings

[orchid spruce]

currency farming, my favourite gameplay activity

[split lodge]

And hold 20 shard bundles

[lucid trellis]

plus im an arch main and thats only 60 shaed bundles

[orchid spruce]

so exciting

[rotund gate]

Oh my god 🥀

[split lodge]

You can try out different builds

[lucid trellis]

a boss fight normally takes that amount

[split lodge]

And crests

[lucid trellis]

More probably

[orchid spruce]

top 10 reasons hk is better

[split lodge]

Architect crest using more shards than the GDP of pharloom in 5 minutes

[lucid trellis]

frey is fucking rolling in cash

[split lodge]

I think the currency system in HK is a bit unbalanced because the player kinda gets too rich, that’s why early game items cost 30 geo and late game geo sinks cost 15k

[graceful oyster]

I had to grind 4000 Jin in 9S to get 100% (the last health upgrade) and if I didn't die and lose money a couple times I would have had exactly what I needed. Perfect economy.

[fiery burrow]

who up buying the 10k nacre mio modifier

[split lodge]

In silksong even the most expensive item is just 1.1k and it’s a QoL item

[fiery burrow]

i thought that would be a gag ngl

[orchid spruce]

omg nine sols glaze

[graceful oyster]

Also this only took like 15 minutes

[lucid trellis]

i love grinding rosaries

[graceful oyster]

Just killed a wasp guy in ||research center|| over and over

[split lodge]

But the player’s amount of rosaries at a given time is rather stable in silksong so I appreciate it a lot more

[lucid trellis]

i only need to do the whiteward run ablut.... 20 times for 3k....

[split lodge]

Also the relics and psalm cylinders give pretty big sums for spending needs

[lucid trellis]

[split lodge]

In steel soul so do the silkeaters

[orchid spruce]

||there's a spot in empyrean district that generates about 200 jin per 12 seconds. feels like it's deliberately put there as jin farm ngl|| nine sols spoiler

[fiery burrow]

Act 1 has a pretty steep economy that I don't really like but its not like awful, Act 2 is good, currency doesn't really matter in Act 3 but that's also true of HK1

[graceful oyster]

I considered going there but the stress I get fighting the ninjas is insane and wasn't worth it for me

[astral olive]

And honestly, if you remember to turn your rosaries into strings and necklaces, you'll generally have a solid backup supply

[fiery burrow]

I think a metroidvania economy just needs to get you fighting enemies and looking for collectables tbh which both games accomplish

[lucid trellis]

as an arc main, currency always matters

[orchid spruce]

||drop down from the root node, shoot 2 arrows, repeat||

[split lodge]

Act 1 very deliberately controls the player’s power level but once act 2 starts the chains are off you kinda can fight cog dancers with 8 masks

[graceful oyster]

||Ah, arrows.|| Hm. I do always forget those exist.

[lucid trellis]

im going to make surgeons go extinct

[orchid spruce]

[lavish apex]

how?

[split lodge]

#forthewhitewardvictims

[graceful oyster]

I'd use Qi blast if I liked using that weapon but I don't

[lucid trellis]

if you wanted to live you shouldn't drop more than 40 roasiera

[graceful oyster]

It feels weird and, too powerful? I guess?

[lavish apex]

i'm pretty sure clawline only unlocks like... 2 shards

[split lodge]

You only get 1 extra mask and 3 extra silk strands in act 1 but in act 2 you can get to up to 8 masks before you even enter cogwork core if you know what to do

[lavish apex]

yeah how

[split lodge]

Clawline unlocks double jump

Double jump gets you to places

[lavish apex]

oh yeah right you can just go to mount fay

after that
huh

[broken seal]

Memorium

[lavish apex]

never really considered that, usually the first thing i do in act 2 is go through cog core and vaults

[split lodge]

With the max movement kit you kinda can find everything not in cog core and vaults

[graceful oyster]

Following this logic silkspear is the most productive ability

[lucid trellis]

Why doesn't phantom have any act 3 dialogue

[graceful oyster]

Silkspear gives you everything in the game fr

[broken seal]

Moss Mother gives you everything

[graceful oyster]

Is Moss Mother secretly the best boss by reward alone?

[split lodge]

Because GMS (game devs) DGAF about phantom other than being the alternate act 2 gate boss 😭

[slim jetty]

Guys is this a peak video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS5horocrfM

[broken seal]

10000% haven't even watched it but i know it's peak

[earnest drift]

when hornet plays the needolin all the notes are the same length

[lucid trellis]

toby "what are time signatures" fox

[earnest drift]

she definitely doesn't know what a time signature is

wait she does beastling call and elegy of the deep

[orchid spruce]

dude's brutal 😭

[earnest drift]

do you think hornet is a bad singer

[lavish apex]

oh technically you can do all of gtop without touching cog core and vaults too can't you

[split lodge]

Headcannon: the bell beast started attacking hornet because she went crazy listening to sherma trying to sing her free for 10 hours

[lucid trellis]

still though, she could at least be black threaded

or dead

[split lodge]

Yes

[lavish apex]

but you can't get the easy oil

[split lodge]

Voided phantom sounds like an amazing boss honestly

[lavish apex]

so there's not much of a point to that

[lucid trellis]

just bind to her corpse to get cross stitch in act 3

[lucid trellis]

Lost lace vs found phantom

[split lodge]

You can demolish the dancers with a second nail upgrade already

[lavish apex]

you can demolish them with even one

they're not a very hard fight

[orchid spruce]

Even with none, they're pretty easy

[tacit relic]

I feel unstoppable.

[earnest drift]

that would just be the same attacks slapped on top of phantom

[split lodge]

Imagine if phantom was the summonable NPC to help fight lost lace because she wanna save her sister.

[earnest drift]

lost phantom wouldn't be the same as lost lace

[orchid spruce]

[earnest drift]

nah

[lavish apex]

ig act 2 is less linear than i thought

[earnest drift]

phantom plays their part fine

[orchid spruce]

top 10 reasons hk is better

[split lodge]

What do you mean you don’t fight trobbio with +3 nail and 9 masks-

[broken seal]

Voided enemies/bosses are different from Lost enemies/bosses (other than Garmond ig)

[vivid belfry]

phantom would be perfect if they were a little harder

[orchid spruce]

must've been the wind

[tacit relic]

Wdym? They're just voided.

[orchid spruce]

[earnest drift]

lace uses void with skill

[tacit relic]

But I guess the lost ones are kinda alive.

[lavish apex]

of all the reasons i prefer hk silksong's exploration structure isn't a very big one

the rewards and act 1 yeah kinda

[orchid spruce]

hk mogs silksong

[lavish apex]

but otherwise it's fine

[split lodge]

I remember unlocking my first ventrica station and going to the terminus and was worried about just how big the map was

It turns out the answer was VERY. Very big.

[broken seal]

Lost Lace is a very different boss from "Lace2 but with void attacks sometimes"

[earnest drift]

hk only beats silksong in exploration

[orchid spruce]

if hk is an 8, silksong is a 6. hk bullies ss out of existence

[lavish apex]

i don't wanna say mogs, there are very important things that silksong kinda does better honestly

[earnest drift]

everything else silksong does better

[normal bramble]

I disagree

[lavish apex]

well no

[normal bramble]

Silksong is much more fun for combat
Hollow knight however definitely has some things it does better

[orchid spruce]

only thing silksong does better is combat

[split lodge]

Objectively wrong

[normal bramble]

That’s kinda a major thing

[orchid spruce]

act 3 is the biggest miserable mess ever to exist

[split lodge]

They try to do different things and they do what they wanna do well

[orchid spruce]

aside from blasphemous 1

[normal bramble]

Overhating act 3?

[split lodge]

Skill issue(?)

[orchid spruce]

[earnest drift]

i sorted what i prefer in both games

[normal bramble]

Could act 3 be better? Sure? Is it still a great act? Absolutely

[lavish apex]

there are 3 main problems i have with silksong that i don't really think manifest in hk1

1. unsatisfying gameplay rewards
2. shell shards
3. wishes and act 3 requirements

[normal bramble]

I’ll note something collusuem of fools is something I beg to see a version of in silksong

[astral olive]

I think Silksong has much better critical path.

[cerulean sable]

ong Pomni would NOT survive Pharloom

[earnest drift]

how come

[earnest drift]

isn't she immortal and human-sized

[normal bramble]

Silksong has a much more fun boss run

[cerulean sable]

i dont evven watch Digital Circus tbh

[lavish apex]

and then a couple systems that don't click with me like they do in hk1 but that i don't think are inherently bad in their own right

[vivid belfry]

Act 3 is conceptually awesome and I really only have 2 issues with it

1. more shit to do to incentivize exploring the changed areas aside from hunting void masses
2. change that FUCKING tentacle blob projectile

[cerulean sable]

point 1 is sea of sorrow

[normal bramble]

I’ve done a lot of bosses in HK so far and the only boss I’ve really liked so far is Nightmare king grim and regular grim

[lavish apex]

i agree

[normal bramble]

And theyre both dlc

[light swan]

whats the tentacle blob projectile

[normal bramble]

Traitor lord which I’m doing rn is also pretty good

[vivid belfry]

the black threaded attack where they throw out little balls that turn into knife wielding tentacles

[lavish apex]

i like some parts of act 3 though, like the vibes are cool, most of the mandatory bosses are pretty good, and the ending is nice

[orchid spruce]

Act 3 is terrible Narrative-wise and gameplay-wise. Bumble jumble of bosses that have basically nothing leading up to them, they may as well be random.

[earnest drift]

act 3 is amazing narrative wise

[normal bramble]

The fight with quirrel is as a whole was meh and absolutely carried by Quirrel being the goat

[earnest drift]

i hate both uumuu and quirrel

[split lodge]

1. I think the lack of rewards is relevant lore wise because hornet is running into the citadel guns blazing and the world is deliberately saying F you in return.
2. Buy the bundles.
3. Wishes being a prerequisite for the true ending is the way of telling that hornet starts to care about the residents in pharloom and why she doesn’t just take over GMS as the next queen

[broken seal]

I like the concept of the Needolin much more but the use cases of Dream Nail is MUCH better. It being able to be used on almost every dead thing just allowed for a ton more usage, and it interpreting the dreams and thoughts rather than the character having to sing it in song was nice. But other than that Needolin is really good and Dream Nail being so strong in combat was kinda dumb anyway

[normal bramble]

Woah now you’ve lost me

[cerulean sable]

hard disagree i loved what Act 3 did except for the annoying voidblbos

[orchid spruce]

If you think Act 3 has an amazing narrative, honestly just consume more media

[astral olive]

Constant forward motion. In Hollow Knight it's a lot easier to just run around with no real goal, at least personally. In Silksong there's constant forward motion because everything makes you go up or get to a place that goes up.

[orchid spruce]

😕

[earnest drift]

it's better than hollow knight's

[normal bramble]

Sitting at the lake with quirrel is probably my 2nd favorite part of hollow knight so far

[earnest drift]

idk running around for no reason is a metroidvania thing

[lavish apex]

these are valid points but they also don't at all stop these things from making gameplay worse lol

[normal bramble]

With 1 still being Nightmare king grim

[minor plank]

Sea of sorrow tomorrow btw

[split lodge]

It’s better than HK’s late game for sure because you have 0 idea where the HK late game starts

[earnest drift]

reminder that quirrel is the reason uumuu exists because they NEEDED quirrel to be useful so they could force the player to care about him

[lavish apex]

"buy bundles" is also stupid. you're just saying grind more rosaries

[astral olive]

I know. It's one of the things I have the least fun in personally.

[graceful cairn]

true

[normal bramble]

This could be solved by giving silksong a collusuem of fools!

[earnest drift]

so you don't like metroidvania exploration?

[normal bramble]

An actual fun way to earn rosaries

[split lodge]

Rosaries are easier to come by and buying bundles are easier than grinding shards, and I think it’s to discourage toolspamming

[wind mulch]

most things i dont like about silksong are just personal preference but shell shards are one of the only things where i wonder what they were thinking

bottom 5 mechanic ever

[light swan]

ah

[earnest drift]

but yeah on my replay of hk i've been running around everywhere and got shade cloak before dream nail and nothing feels like it's encouraging me to keep going

[normal bramble]

I feel like shards only exist for architect and even there it doesn’t matter much

[earnest drift]

no i think it's so that killing common bugs still gives a reward

[normal bramble]

It’s just inconvenient

[vivid belfry]

personally I never ran into shell shard shortages because the game just fucking thows shards at you if you stop spamming tools for one area

[lavish apex]

it is, there are also objectively better ways to discourage toolspamming or make it less powerful than introducing a resource that drains between deaths for very little reason

[earnest drift]

because regular beasts dropping rosaries doesn't make sense

[normal bramble]

As a gameplay mechanic I mean

[vivid belfry]

I never even had to break out the bundles

[graceful oyster]

Is insanely broken lol

[split lodge]

Try a flintslate + flea brew build on hunter III and go hitless

[astral olive]

No?

I don't like metroidvania exploration when that's all there is.

I think Silksong's critical path is better because it's an obvious path, with the exploration being at a players leasiure or as part of a quest.

[earnest drift]

hm fair

[orchid spruce]

oh no, he touched divine hand. there's no going back now

[normal bramble]

What does that have to do at all with what I said

[wind mulch]

even if u dont run into the problem i think its still easy to recognise that its such a strange decision

[earnest drift]

silksong actually does diverge earlier than hollow knight, it just diverges less in the early game

[normal bramble]

And also I prefer just running Curvesickle volt vessels

[graceful oyster]

I'm just trying things out okay

[lavish apex]

i didn't either because i barely used them on my first run out of fear that i would, and on every other one i was already good enough to not need to care. it happens to people though

[orchid spruce]

divine hand is the goat

[split lodge]

Every crest uses its red tool slots its unique way

[orchid spruce]

i meant, it will be hard to live without divine hand after you get used to it

[rocky jolt]

volt vessel is a true joat tool

[orchid spruce]

[earnest drift]

i hate divine

[normal bramble]

Yes but shell shards just serve as an inconvience for all those crests

[vivid belfry]

I wouldn't say that I was afraid to use tools, but I recognized that using them while I was learning boss fights was a bad idea

[earnest drift]

she charges 30000 geo for fragile strength

[normal bramble]

It’s 15k

[split lodge]

But there’s also legitimately multiple paths to one same thing so exploration becomes a rewarding alternative than banging your head against an incense burning fire spewing wall

[normal bramble]

I just brought it

[earnest drift]

150000? even worse

[wind mulch]

shell shards and the mandatory fetch quests are the only parts of silksong i think are genuinely really bad

[astral olive]

Yes.

[split lodge]

The only thing preventing red tools from breaking the game now are shards

[normal bramble]

Architect is the only crest that’s truly effected by shell shards as they serve as a cap to the amount you can craft bind without benching

[rocky jolt]

i think shell shards shouldnt be wasted if you die on an arena

[normal bramble]

Fun fact you can get thousands and thousands of rosaries in an hour

[celest cobalt]

The silk never sing 🔥

[normal bramble]

And then just buy shard bundles

[split lodge]

Fun fact you can pause the game by opening the inventory and break open shard bundles mid fight

[lavish apex]

which is why they are fundamentally a bad system and should have been reworked

[orchid spruce]

when act 3 first got discovered, everyone was like omg wow enemies have another void variety and it's just the same enemy but spit black balls and becomes black saws now so exciting

[normal bramble]

See now that also shouldn’t exist

Nor should the entire shell shards system as a whole

It’s stupid as a mechanic

[graceful cairn]

W game design

[cerulean sable]

im with you Grover on this one

I always treated tools as more of a suplement but the way ive seen people, people try to use them to brute force everything then they start lagging behind in terms of skills which fucks you over more by the end game

[wind mulch]

they just dont make sense to me, its like a survival game/multiplayer game mechanic in a metroidvania, the downside to using tools is u waste time grinding random bugs but there was absolutely zero point in putting that restriction in place

[vivid belfry]

using your entire reservoir of tools on a boss is a massive nerf to difficulty and team cherry gave inexperienced players the option to do that as an accessibility option with the cost being a material resource

[orchid spruce]

" i genuinely believe silksong is the best game ever made"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1135348779877404869/1402455625816084580/1277048160359026770.gif

[split lodge]

If you wanna cheese a boss you gotta pay the price of grinding

Just saying.

[lavish apex]

and it's not done well

[graceful cairn]

its a game for sure

[astral olive]

Should it have been more than that?

[celest cobalt]

[vivid belfry]

silksong is the best game ever made if you don't count visual novels

[wind mulch]

the material resource isnt some engaging or challenging thing to obtain for a measurable decrease in difficulty though, its just a time waster

thats where i think the issue lies

[rocky jolt]

i thought it was a song

[orchid spruce]

every other metroidvania i've played mogs silksong

[celest cobalt]

Nah bro the silk never sings

[orchid spruce]

[wind mulch]

its just oh you have to spend five minutes killing this random bug over and over again before u re-attempt the boss

[vivid belfry]

yeah, and that's fine. It's the same thing as RPGs allowing you to grind to trivialize content with leveling, just transferred to a different genre

[graceful cairn]

what? like some kind of silk song?

[split lodge]

Saitama: ok.

[fiery burrow]

Its true that it prevents total tool spamming I think most peoples issue with the system is not being able to use tools if you get stuck on a boss

[dry meadow]

Yall think lace and phantom could beat any of the memory bosses?

[rocky jolt]

what is this this knight is hollow

[graceful cairn]

play constance and youll realize how good you had it

[graceful oyster]

11,000 unbounded counters

[dry meadow]

Nah, thats a false knight

[wind mulch]

i just dont think it makes any sense in a game like this

[lavish apex]

one of my friends persistently ran out of shell shards because he liked using tools and needed to grind them back up a lot

[vivid belfry]

damn that sucks

[orchid spruce]

constance is something that exists

[modest stirrup]

They deal alotta dmg so ig

[celest cobalt]

I'm sentencing you too 500 hours fighting the radiance non stop

[rocky jolt]

holy shit

[graceful cairn]

its a good waste of $20

[split lodge]

Almost every boss is mechanically learnable so tool-less hitless build is learnable but most players refuse to actually get good

[rocky jolt]

@earnest drift would really like this

[lavish apex]

like it's an issue that exists that i feel would have been solved by just introducing different limiters for them and removing the grind aspect

[fiery burrow]

Silksong fans when players want to engage with the mechanics of the game

[astral olive]

So much this

[dry meadow]

Why do tooless when sawtooth combo

[fiery burrow]

Ofc you can beat them without tools but I want to use tools because its fun lmao

[orchid spruce]

i'd rather buy bath water

[astral olive]

Because I enjoy the combat system

[wind mulch]

i hardly if ever use tools but even I recognise that it is just a poorly thought out mechanic really

[fiery burrow]

Could you imagine if Sekiro tied prosthetic usage to a consumable currency and you had to grind if you wanted to use a part of your kit on a boss you were stuck on

[lavish apex]

this is absolutely true but i think ignoring a major mechanic because it has issues like this means that mechanic is bad

[graceful cairn]

hey if it makes you happy thats better than I can say for constance

[idle sparrow]

No

[orchid spruce]

[graceful oyster]

Oh no oh no

[wind mulch]

good comparison

[rocky jolt]

Vespa and Vespa

[vivid belfry]

I think at worst, the shell shard economy suffers from a tuning issue

[dry meadow]

No iron for you

[orchid spruce]

sup

[graceful oyster]

Talisgrab poses a huge issue

[idle sparrow]

Aw

[fiery burrow]

It suffers from not replenishing your tools for free upon death its like completely fine otherwise imo

[graceful oyster]

If I whiff an UC on tg I am ROASTED

[orchid spruce]

oh no he discovered the jank hitbox

oh no he did not

[split lodge]

Is the game beatable without tools? Yes.
Is it easier with tools? Yes.
Should the use of tools be encouraged? Every enemy drops shards.
At the end of the day if you wanna cheese a boss you pay the price of grinding, that’s it

[fiery burrow]

Using tools isn't cheesing though

[dry meadow]

Anyone else think the sea of sorrow will lead to the land of storms or is that just me

[orchid spruce]

that's the beauty of that move

[idle sparrow]

Shard system isn’t even that bad imo

[astral olive]

Not using as a main thing isn't ignoring?

Tools are supplementary such that the shell economy is something that doesnt overly affect things.

[fiery burrow]

Its just using an attack. Not every usage of tools is an architect speedkill

[wind mulch]

its not cheese its a core game mechanic

[lavish apex]

you can run out of shards without exclusively spamming tools

[vivid belfry]

yeah this is fair, full playthroughs with zero deaths feel pretty well balanced with regards to shard usage

[wind mulch]

it was one of silksongs main selling points lol

[lavish apex]

and using them at all or at somewhat regular intervals should not be considered "cheesing"

[idle sparrow]

If you actually clear out enemies while exploring this isn’t an issue

[lavish apex]

they are a core combat mechanic

[rocky jolt]

hollow knight: ultra deluxe edition

[wind mulch]

silksong is still a great game tho

[orchid spruce]

but they did feel like cheese, so the game failed at making that an actual core mechanic

[idle sparrow]

Indeed

[sudden quail]

should i buy Dredge? its 25$

[astral olive]

They very much arent. The needle is.

[lavish apex]

it objectively is when trying to fight a boss or arena because those do not refill your reserves at all

[astral olive]

They're supplementary

[wind mulch]

i will never forgive mandatory fetch quests though one million dishonour upon team cherry

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[split lodge]

For instance bringing some cogflies into some duel fights kinda disturbs the tempo of the entire fight

[orchid spruce]

i am smart

[tacit relic]

What am I missing?

[sudden quail]

is it worth my money?

[wind mulch]

please stop making me collect silver bells PLEASE

[orchid spruce]

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-not-my-tempo-jk-simmons-gif-9593874262333532084

[sudden quail]

grass

[astral olive]

Thank you for mentioning fight tempo

[fiery burrow]

1 million "Kill 10 of this enemy" quests be upon ye

[tacit relic]

You can take grass in this game?

[idle sparrow]

Liquid laquor thingy

[tacit relic]

Ohh.

So I need to do the delivery quest.

[lavish apex]

which is also fair

[split lodge]

Deliver paint to mask maker

[lavish apex]

all of this to say spells are way better

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[sudden quail]

you didn't quite get the joke but its ok iam not racist towards slow brainers

[rocky jolt]

silksong has like 5 of these

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-719764880701715616

[orchid spruce]

everything is better than redtoolslop

[wind mulch]

it felt like five million

[rocky jolt]

i wouldnt wish Silver Bells upon my worst enemy

[split lodge]

The default shaman crest skills should be sharp dart pale nails and cross stitch

[lavish apex]

even though shaman stone is stupid

[orchid spruce]

[sudden quail]

Guys should i buy dredge? it costs 25$ is it worth it?

[split lodge]

I think implementing combat charms in HK into becoming crests in Skong is a Genius move

[cerulean sable]

the gather quest i roll my eyes on but (except for the moss druid) i dont mind the kill x quest because i just left them and got them naturally from exploration

[tacit relic]

I got it... just trying to be positive.

[rocky jolt]

kinda sucks that silk and soul is carried by one item

[idle sparrow]

The game rn is a masterpiece but with proper fixing of issues and bugs it could be the game of the decade

[astral olive]

I enjoy the pollip one.

[vivid belfry]

not possible for me

[cerulean sable]

they were less "I NEED TO DROP EVERYTHING AND FOCUS ON KILLING SHIT" and more like "i should kill some of these fuckers while i go around the place" deal

[astral olive]

But then I like movement in Silksong

[split lodge]

Give berries to nice aunt who gives me her stew? Sign me up

[wind mulch]

i just dont think they should be mandatory for silk and soul and then itd be great

[light swan]

if silksong wasn’t so popular would the general opinion of it be higher

[vivid belfry]

no amount of gameplay polish can overcome the greatest stories ever told

if it could, ULTRAKILL would be in my top 3

[wind mulch]

like do i really have to collect these bells to progress the story

[orchid spruce]

they are gonna have to do renovations that's like 5 years of work to get anywhere close

[wind mulch]

is that something u are genuinely making me do

[tacit relic]

I swear those are so annoying.

[vivid belfry]

I thought the general opinion of it was pretty high

[light swan]

well said

[rocky jolt]

you dont exactly have to do ALL of them

[light swan]

then why do i see so many people complaining about it

[cerulean sable]

i mean general population outside of the difficulty discourse is pretty high

[light swan]

the standard is just so high that people like complaining about whatever they can find

[cerulean sable]

well youre mostly getting people complaining about it on threads focused about it 🥴

[wind mulch]

dont u have to do all village quests

[astral olive]

People like complaining.