sk-discussion

[sinful escarp]

and thennn

lost lace

[graceful cairn]

we can tell

[earnest drift]

and i'm sure there's a way to make it so there's less rng for silver bells and you can still pogo tools

using a glitch

or just edit the game's code

[strange knot]

atp just no clip to seekers soul, architects melody and karm’s statue

[earnest drift]

so tool pogos aren't even needed

[strange knot]

No clip is a major glitch, most of soeedrunnners run nmg(no major glitches, since its objectively funner

[sinful escarp]

YEAHHH BABY 100%

[earnest drift]

well to me all speedruns are the same

[sinful escarp]

sob

[earnest drift]

like isn't room duping able to make you beat the game in 10 minutes

[earnest drift]

and i don't think it involves any tool pogos

so removing tool pogos doesn't even affect the best time to beat silksong

[sinful escarp]

lost lace lost lace lost lace

[strange knot]

Watch one ag TE speedrun you get silk soar before bell beast

[earnest drift]

the room duping speedrun didn't get silk soar

it didn't get anything

[strange knot]

Te means true ending

[earnest drift]

oh

does it use room duping

[strange knot]

Yes

[earnest drift]

can you link it

[prime vale]

Yall im scared of high halls when I try it in my speedrun

[earnest drift]

why

[jade lagoon]

Skong DOS release????

[prime vale]

Cause it be difficult and I suck

I died in the whispering vaults gauntlet

[sinful escarp]

high halls is terrifying

[earnest drift]

clawline heaven

[strange knot]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fWLf7exZcRw&si=-Hq7dG7jnWe4buOw

Not wr but I think that’s it

[prime vale]

I forget all the time that it exist

I only use it in parkour

[earnest drift]

why is it over 2 hours long

[sinful escarp]

because its true ending

[strange knot]

The wr is like 2:14 rn

[earnest drift]

act 3 takes them 2.5 hours???

[lavish apex]

weird that glitched isn't even that much shorter than nmg for true ending

[earnest drift]

2 minutes is much more realistic

if you can find it please send it to me

[sinful escarp]

chat its time for loast lace steel soul wish me luck

[strange knot]

2 hours 14 minutes

[sinful escarp]

its not though?

[earnest drift]

...

wow speedrunners suck

[strange knot]

I don’t think wr is that different

[earnest drift]

i should speedrun i could do so much better

[jade lagoon]

When will Silksong get a PS Vita release?

[sinful escarp]

1/10 ragebait

[strange knot]

You still gotta do a lot of wishes etc I didn’t watch the full run but I assume you do

[sinful escarp]

you need to do like 16 wishes

[earnest drift]

room duping allows act 2 to be beaten in 10 minutes, act 3 somehow taking 2.5 hours is insane

[sinful escarp]

or smth

you need a shit ton of quest points along with required quests

[strange knot]

You need to do a lot of wishes and additional stuff for act 3

[earnest drift]

just room dupe to get silver bells and cogwork core in the same room

so the spinning cogs get the silver bells for you

like how they're used to beat gms

[sinful escarp]

lost lace time lets go

[lavish apex]

17+the required ones

so like 26 i think

[sinful escarp]

holy SHIT lace dies fast with hivesteel

[earnest drift]

i'm watching the glitched speedrun now

[sinful escarp]

full hp full silk full tools

[earnest drift]

so they do the room duping glitch, idk why it takes them 2 hours

[sinful escarp]

ACT THREE REQUIREMENTS

[lavish apex]

nope 27

[earnest drift]

can't they just room dupe into lost lace's arena

[lavish apex]

plus fleas

[sinful escarp]

thats lost lace dead

[hexed sonnet]

hit triple digits

[sinful escarp]

that wasnt even 5 minutes

LETS GO DUDDE

[earnest drift]

they haven't beaten gms by the 10 minute mark wtf kind of speedrun is this

[sinful escarp]

30 hour 100% AND 100% steel soul

[strange knot]

True ending

[sinful escarp]

[strange knot]

Goat🐐

[sinful escarp]

dude i didnt think id make it 😭

im so happy

[earnest drift]

i really don't think it being the true ending somehow adds over 2 hours to the time

[sinful escarp]

only achievement left is finishing the game within 5

but hghhhh high halls gauntlet

[red forge]

When will they add slugcats to silksong

[strange knot]

5 hours achievement is pretty easy

You’ve got a lot of time

[red forge]

How did... Whatever

[earnest drift]

at a certain point it doesn't look like they're even room duping anymore

[vivid horizon]

Nearly there too

[earnest drift]

they're just playing the game normally

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/celeste-you-can-do-this-gif-3034873266525529859

[sinful escarp]

i know, i can get to the citadel in like2-3 hours cause im slow at mist but like

[vivid horizon]

Omg celeste mentioned

[strange knot]

Go judge route

[hexed sonnet]

wdym 😭

[strange knot]

Peak game

[prime vale]

Cool

[sinful escarp]

vaultkeeper's fine right. and then archie too

[red forge]

100 hours and no 100% is crazy

[sinful escarp]

but conductur is so hard

[fleet temple]

man I wish my first playthrough lasted that long

[sinful escarp]

consider: first playthrough

[sinful escarp]

it was the same for me i think, around 80-90 hours

[hexed sonnet]

i dont really try achievement hunting or 100% games i just want to finish games

[red forge]

I got 100% in 60 h

[sinful escarp]

but tbf i didnt play hollow knight before that

[hexed sonnet]

only game ive ever gotten 100% on is gta san andreas

[red forge]

Fair

[strange knot]

I got 100% in 80 hours

[sinful escarp]

honestly i just like wandering around so much

[fleet temple]

valid

[sinful escarp]

and now i know the layout of the map relatively well and can find shit easy

[strange knot]

I lwk can just dash from one place to another for 30 min straight

[fleet temple]

on a second playthrough I tried not to use the sprint button as much and that made me appreciate the environment and art even more

[sinful escarp]

AAAA I GOT THE ACHIEVEMENTS

[strange knot]

Sprint is goated

[sinful escarp]

slightly annoyed at speedrunner being the only one left but ill get that eventually

[sinful escarp]

also, judge is faster?

[strange knot]

No, it’s just a lot easier imo

[sinful escarp]

cause i struggle insanly with them.. phantom is a lot easier for me

[slender juniper]

Yes with craw skip and blasted steps skip

[sinful escarp]

ah

[slender juniper]

Of you're doing cloakless phantom is faster

But that's only possible on release patch

Also fuck the mist

[strange knot]

Oh you can go mist than

Both routes are viable

[sinful escarp]

fuck the mist but judge is such a huge timeloss for me cause i struggle with them more

phantom is easier for me

[strange knot]

Mist is probably like 10 seconds slower on lp

[sinful escarp]

so they kinda cancel eachother out

[slender juniper]

Ngl judge is easier for me

Their hitbox is just so big I can spam the hunter runslash

[sinful escarp]

kinda bummed i didnt do this on steam tbh it wouldve been sick to have steel heart in my achievements there

[slender juniper]

But yeah , there's an easy skip in sinners road

To skip that hell room

[sinful escarp]

based tbh

[slender juniper]

you know which one I'm talking about

[strange knot]

Wouldn’t call chalame pogo really easy but yeah I guess

[sinful escarp]

i just suck at not tanking shit

[vivid horizon]

Then beast is not for you

[orchid quest]

max druid eyes plus double heal

[vivid horizon]

Hi guys

[slender juniper]

It's not as easy as garama skip but yah

[sinful escarp]

nah i dont like beast lol

[latent terrace]

Between Sands of Karak, Putrified Dutcts, and Bilewater, which one do you guys say I should explore first?

[vivid horizon]

Sands

[hexed sonnet]

goddamnit i almost had lost lace

[orchid quest]

sands

[latent terrace]

The last remaining three areas

[slender juniper]

I do practice stuff with mods tho so I spent hours doing judge and high halls

[latent terrace]

Sure hope the platforming ain't cancerous

[vivid horizon]

100h and you still on lost lace, I've done lost lace with all crests js for fun (I have like 90h)

[strange knot]

Garama skip vs skip in Shellwood to skip going around fighting for the easiest skip

[orchid quest]

it’s irritating, but not that bad. the enemies are the worst part

[sinful escarp]

lwk lost lace is so fun

[vivid horizon]

Especially with hunter's!

[weary steppe]

don't ever go to bilewater, just keep playing and pretend it doesn't exist, it's for your own good

[strange knot]

Agree

[strange knot]

Bilewater is peak though

[orchid quest]

that’s not ridiculous that’s not ridiculous to say that

[sinful escarp]

true... i just finished her and was SO agressive with her without taking almost any damage

[latent terrace]

I like how everyone say Sands of Karak lmao

[earnest drift]

i like bilewater

[sinful escarp]

wanders too so VERY quick

[strange knot]

I bilewater

[orchid quest]

because bilewater SUCKS💔 that platforming is horrid and if you fall you’re muckmaggoted

[orchid quest]

officer, this one right here

[strange knot]

Bileawater is peak.

[latent terrace]

And no one ever mentioned about the ducts nor defend it

[weary steppe]

you're the only one that's still sane in this place

[orchid quest]

the dude nobody invited:

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMJazlFtjw8

[strange knot]

Bilewater is so overhated even tho many ppl love it already

[latent terrace]

Just like how we say we like the deepnest back in HK

[slender juniper]

If groal didn't exist it would not be that hated

[sinful escarp]

ducts is so much worse then bilewater

[orchid quest]

it’s music is amazing, top 3 soundtracks but the gameplay is horrible. it’s very fitting for the theme and lore though

[strange knot]

Deep nest is also overhated

[unkempt steeple]

You just got silked

[strange knot]

imagine fighting groal

[orchid quest]

LITERALLY… i struggle more in queens gardens than anything

[unkempt steeple]

He's called the great for a reason if you hate him you must be a cidadel lover

[slender juniper]

Imagine playing on current patch

[weary steppe]

are you mad?

[orchid quest]

goodbye eri pfp!

[earnest drift]

unlike bilewater deepnest has no good platforming

[unkempt steeple]

True

[strange knot]

TRUTH NUKE SO TRUE THATS SO REAL

[earnest drift]

and groal is better than nosk and galien

[hexed sonnet]

i got to lost lace at my 85th hour, then i went around getting some tools and i started lost lace at my 93rd hour

2hours in decided to take a break and wasted 2 hours climbing up to nameless town

[weary steppe]

i love queens gardens so much it's incomprehensible

[unkempt steeple]

Deepnest is spiderslop

[hexed sonnet]

silksong is rageslop

[earnest drift]

pharloom is spidergem

[orchid quest]

markoth is worse than groal though

[orchid quest]

the dude nobody invited:

[slender juniper]

I love how TC fixed courier quests and then said not for free FUCK YOU tool Pogo's gone

[unkempt steeple]

You're not supposed to have fun playing silksong

[earnest drift]

if you really wanted to you'd find a way to have both

[hexed sonnet]

TC are sadists and we're masochists

[unkempt steeple]

If you're expecting fun out of silksong you missed the point of story

[strange knot]

Bro doesn’t know courier mod is allowed

[orchid quest]

😭??

[earnest drift]

i knew there was a way

[unkempt steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-widow-hornet-bonk-arito-gif-13643966964603239778

[sinful escarp]

i love beating lost lace's ass

[slender juniper]

Why is beast crest charge attack so abbysmall

[cerulean sable]

when the Citadel said
"Must you continue to reconquer? Continue to kill in retaliation?"
I died in peak

I LOVE VICTIM blaming

[hexed sonnet]

muted silksong music to listen to RHCP while doing lost lace genuinely does wonders

[orchid quest]

yo what level you gotta be to send images

[unkempt steeple]

I heart the holy cidadel of song

[strange knot]

300 messages

[orchid quest]

okok

[slender juniper]

... just listen to lost lace

[cerulean sable]

600000 billion must listen to LL Timestamp 0:49

[orchid quest]

propaganda

[earnest drift]

who's the victim

[sinful escarp]

loast lace is peak

[hybrid flare]

lost lace must die

[cerulean sable]

eveything

[unkempt steeple]

We got a stilkin over here

[orchid quest]

fuck is v1 talm bout😭✌️

[earnest drift]

the citadel knows best, do not ever doubt them

[hybrid flare]

btw act 3 wasnt rushed, all of the budget went towards the most skilled violinist oat to pull lost lace 0:49 off

[hexed sonnet]

lace is next to zote in terms of my hate

[hybrid flare]

Im not even v1 💔

[latent terrace]

I have fun with the widow though

[weary steppe]

it's a great bossfight

[unkempt steeple]

STOP HAVING FUN

[weary steppe]

srop

[earnest drift]

lace is way better than zote

[weary steppe]

that's just blasphemy

[hybrid flare]

Fym better than zote

[earnest drift]

zote is SUCK

[unkempt steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-widow-hornet-bonk-arito-gif-13643966964603239778

Zote is zoteslop

[hybrid flare]

you possibly can NOT be better than zote

[sinful escarp]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hornet-degisikhesabmis-primal-aspid-C9gsXC5Y2AbkkeNMpp

[earnest drift]

lace is beautiful and inspiring and triumphant and charismatic and harmful

[unkempt steeple]

Who is lace

[earnest drift]

most lace haters are illiterate

[hexed sonnet]

of course you say that 😭

[weary steppe]

zote's the only one who's really great

[unkempt steeple]

Lace is silkslop

[exotic cedar]

Zote is amazing

[unkempt steeple]

Groal?

[exotic cedar]

Live laugh zote

[latent terrace]

Live Laugh Lace

[hexed sonnet]

lace is immature, cannot accept defeat, whiny, weak ass ego, laughs like an insane person

[unkempt steeple]

I allways leave him in deepnest becuse I know he won't die so he'll be there forever

[exotic cedar]

Lace 😴

[earnest drift]

and that's what i love about her

[weary steppe]

zote should have that title, not groal the stinky

[hybrid flare]

literally everything that lace isnt except the last 2

[weary steppe]

groal the stupid

groal the ugly

[vivid horizon]

Ohhhh

[unkempt steeple]

Groal the revolutionary mogs that unemployed girlfriend stealing bum

[slender juniper]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9Lt2dzVtOK9hyejufe8Iomep1d_I9lhO?si=T_O1TJ9owhp9Fe-8

[hexed sonnet]

other weavers in the game live in hatred toward GMS, lace is the only one crying about it and making everyone's life miserable

[hybrid flare]

widow:

[hexed sonnet]

does silksong even have a plot

[hybrid flare]

Widow my beloved, loyal till the end

[hybrid flare]

Can silksong fans read?

[earnest drift]

lace killed the citadel she's a hero

[exotic cedar]

Widow is one of the best thing ever

[unkempt steeple]

No and it's still better than hk

[weary steppe]

trobbio lore:

[hexed sonnet]

yeah and then voided pharloom

[slender juniper]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxy9UC0AkP6tlto82_UThlLdp5jnLWa99R?si=4KDH-dDEg5kWcmuM OH GOD IM LASTING MY DIVE

[earnest drift]

is it egotistical to be jealous of others who are getting your mom's attention

[hexed sonnet]

whats the lore

[hybrid flare]

the only 10/10 thing about silksong is the fact that theres a poison swamp area, miyazaki would be extremely proud

[earnest drift]

shamans fault

[hybrid flare]

she doesnt even know why

[latent terrace]

Technically that's... Hornet's fault too?

[exotic cedar]

Best thing about silksong is also sounds characters make

[earnest drift]

i think lace is somewhat egotistical but her ego is very mild compared to most villains

even hornet is more arrogant

[unkempt steeple]

Everything about silksong is 10/10 mods ban this hater

[hybrid flare]

my bad

[exotic cedar]

Why is he lying

[unkempt steeple]

Yeah why lie nubbie

[hexed sonnet]

its ok to be jealous but being the fucking attention seeker that lace is, is not ok

[exotic cedar]

I'm not talking about him, im talking about YOU

[earnest drift]

so how egotistical is lace

[unkempt steeple]

Lace sucks becuse she didn't save gms

[hybrid flare]

lace's less egotistical but moreso delusional as fuck

[earnest drift]

she says some cocky things like "i'll just skewer you here and now"

[unkempt steeple]

lace is acctually not concious despite what the game makes you believe

[earnest drift]

and she also self deprecates

[hybrid flare]

lace isn't actually laced together

[unkempt steeple]

Lace isn't acctually lace, she's silk

[hybrid flare]

chat is lace the hollow knight of HOLLOW KNIGHT: SILKSONG tm

[slender juniper]

No that's a marvel character

[earnest drift]

she's better than the hollow knight

[unkempt steeple]

You just got SILKED

[earnest drift]

the hollow knight couldn't even compare to her

[weary steppe]

just imagine being alone in the citadel for ages

[lavish apex]

i hate this fucking line so much

[unkempt steeple]

Thk is emotionslop

[hexed sonnet]

I DEFEATED LOST LACE FUCK ALL OF YOU

[weary steppe]

BLASPHEMY

i love lace, but hollow is my baby

[slender juniper]

This is Silk💔

[unkempt steeple]

Celebrating about beating a woman...? Yikes

[silk pumice]

nice

[hexed sonnet]

SHUT THE FUCK UP HORNET IS A WOMAN TOO

[unkempt steeple]

What happens when she's a grandmother

[slender juniper]

And a black one too

[silk pumice]

im working on doing her as base hornet

[earnest drift]

"wah wah my parents trained me to not feel anything and sealed me into a fate worse than death!"
vs
"oh woe is me, my life is terrible, serving only my mother " slaughters a dozen pilgrims while only feeling sorry for herself

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet is acctually a hornet not a woman

[slender juniper]

She'd be..
Grandmother silk

[silk pumice]

i even made hitless possible but not sure if ill ever actually bother to do it

[unkempt steeple]

Chills

[weary steppe]

you described it exactly as it is, and i still prefer the hollow knight

[unkempt steeple]

Both are evil and deserved what happened to them

[weary steppe]

he's just a poor thing

[toxic vigil]

worst supply mission done

[unkempt steeple]

Thk literally doomed hallownest for selfish reasons

[earnest drift]

they have no agency all they do is suffer and do nothing about it

[toxic vigil]

groal runback? nah fleatopia supplies

[weary steppe]

EVIL? HOW IS HOLLOW KNIGHT EVIL?

[lavish apex]

lace is objectively an evil piece of shit and that's what makes her compelling

[unkempt steeple]

Yes

[hybrid flare]

this game sucks because miyazaki didnt make it

[earnest drift]

you get it

[unkempt steeple]

Lace literally never does anything exept fail to kill hornet

[lavish apex]

that said

[slender juniper]

Hollow knight is the most Victim a Victim can get bruh

[exotic cedar]

This game sucks because i said so

[lavish apex]

i also prefer thk

[toxic vigil]

then again this whole segment is cut due to the shortcut after groal

[hybrid flare]

What you love about thk is the tragedy of it not the character itself

[earnest drift]

the 600 corpses in the citadel

[weary steppe]

EXACTLY

[earnest drift]

this is true

[unkempt steeple]

Must be sleeping

[unkempt steeple]

Not really

[lucid trellis]

Thk or the knight

[hybrid flare]

Lace's actually the equivalent of "mining offscreen"

[weary steppe]

bro was born to suffer in silence for eternity

[unkempt steeple]

Lace

[earnest drift]

the hollow knight tearing radiance's face open is them finally getting a moment of agency, making a choice for itself

that's their closure

although beating radiance is still what their parents wanted

and radiance didn't want to be sealed inside thk

[hybrid flare]

Well, it explains why the vessels are put to rest, thk's screams didnt let them sleep

[weary steppe]

i can't even begin to imagine how satisfying it must have been to him, ripping her apart

[earnest drift]

that's a neat way of looking at it

[lucid trellis]

same with hornet to some extent

Born out of a political marriage
Was there for her mothers sealing
Saw the kingdom fall into ruin
Saw her mother die

[earnest drift]

eh i doubt it made up for the centuries spent suffering alone

[hexed sonnet]

Silksong is the first 2d game I've played to completion 😭🙏

[earnest drift]

plus it was their dad that put them there in the first place

[hybrid flare]

the most victim character in hk series is obviously that one grand reed i used to farm my entire game

[unkempt steeple]

She lied about all that btw

[hybrid flare]

they got the diavolo treatment and were born into slavery

[earnest drift]

hornet chose to take a stance to protect the kingdom and slaughter vessels
she has agency

[weary steppe]

probably didn't, but there's only so much you can ask for after all that

[slender juniper]

She wasn't born from a political marriage
The pale king just has magic sperm that can make weavers pregnant,which is basically impossible otherwise

[lucid trellis]

yeahC thats why I mentioned the stuff she couldn't control

[hybrid flare]

Literally not true as some other weavers had kids with presumably common bugs

[hexed sonnet]

Chat should I play hollow knight now

[lucid trellis]

no, she was; herrah only agreed to be a dreamer if pale king had a kid with her (hornet)

[hybrid flare]

and had further lineage

[slender juniper]

True but that's a lot harder

[hybrid flare]

I guess the heir for deepnest needed to be strong

[weary steppe]

why is that?

[earnest drift]

the only choice thk makes is exposing radiance's weak point
if it weren't for that thk would be a dumb character no one would care about because all they do is suffer

[slender juniper]

True ,and that's the only way she could get a heir

[slender juniper]

Because common bugs don't have PK magic sperm

[hybrid flare]

Not rlly, even without closure i like how thk's tragedy is shown

[weary steppe]

i think you're a little too much focused on PK sperm

[lucid trellis]

hornet at least has some trauma

[hexed sonnet]

i used to pray for times like these 😭

[weary steppe]

but that's just my pov

[hybrid flare]

Both pk and thk presumably had mutual feelings but thk was still a tool, after all

[earnest drift]

from the infection?

[hexed sonnet]

i will NOT be going for 100% completion

[lucid trellis]

and her mom dying

[hybrid flare]

it kinda parallels hornet in a way that her mother actually taught her to not get weaver slop racist propaganda

[slender juniper]

The only way weavers can breed is by species inbreeding

[vivid horizon]

I will

[weary steppe]

you're a meanie

[hybrid flare]

and become the leader of the weave weax wean

[unkempt steeple]

That's not what inbreeding means😭

[slender juniper]

They're an female only species, unless they have magical lesbian powers to make children

[slender juniper]

Whoops

[hexed sonnet]

great if you do i just dont have the comittment

[slender juniper]

[hybrid flare]

gms is extremely sexist

[vivid horizon]

You alr got 83%

[hybrid flare]

that's her crime

[silk pumice]

congrats man

[weary steppe]

eva is literally a child born from the weavers only

[unkempt steeple]

STOP THE BLASPHEMY

[hexed sonnet]

on accident

[earnest drift]

anyway about lace she's similar to thk in the way she was mainly made as a tool for her mother and she felt she had no purpose beyond that

[slender juniper]

Nope

[unkempt steeple]

She's not a bug though

[lavish apex]

eva is literally artificial

[unkempt steeple]

Eva is like, a super silk being or smth

[toxic vigil]

2nd sentinel time!!!

[lucid trellis]

(the difference is 'felt')

[weary steppe]

aren't we all?

[slender juniper]

Litteraly impossible since all weavers are female

[hexed sonnet]

there's a bunch of tools and the eva binding left to do which idw to

[hybrid flare]

how did the other weavers have descendance if they're yk... other species... even if the initial 50/50 weaver was born i dont expect them to be fertile.. but hk and biology dont go hand in hand

[earnest drift]

but she has agency because she was still the one who chose to commit genocide upon the citadel, she chose to go after hornet, she chooses to rebel against gms and throw pharloom into the void

[hybrid flare]

like 1/8th of a weaver? mate how did we get here

[hybrid flare]

eva is hand crafted slop

[lucid trellis]

how did the bell beast have kids?

[hybrid flare]

Breed with sm1 other bell beast

[earnest drift]

yes gms loved lace for who she was
she was just awful at showing it

[slender juniper]

15% weaver 85% common bug ,idk If they could even make silk anymore

[weary steppe]

i think those percentages are wrong, man

[hybrid flare]

More like.. she saw her as an extension of her and finally a daughter molded to her desires

[earnest drift]

this is not a good percentage

[slender juniper]

Sybau

[weary steppe]

oh, alright

[lucid trellis]

well, we only see a female bell beast

[hybrid flare]

"Common bug" also presumably other species ig

[earnest drift]

this is also possible

[hybrid flare]

Yeah but theres nothing implying no other bell beasts exist

[slender juniper]

I just woke but I can't do math

[hybrid flare]

they're balling in the underbells

[lucid trellis]

and where is it implied weavers are only female?

[hybrid flare]

They call themselves all daughters and thats all gms wanted..

[slender juniper]

If you're liek 1/3 weaver I assume your ability to make silk is greatly reduced

[toxic vigil]

... everywhere?

[unkempt steeple]

I hope we get bell beast lore one day we really know nothing about them

[lucid trellis]

ah

[hybrid flare]

Plus they arent a natural species while bell beast is smt bred/adapted

[slender juniper]

Like the fact hornet is 1/2 already means she doesn't have silk hearts at base

[weary steppe]

and that's all cause she wasn't created to be a fucking hollow vessel, she had feelings all her life and could think for herself

[hybrid flare]

bellways in general

[slender juniper]

1/5 weaver is like when you can't make silk at all

[hybrid flare]

I mean, hornet's increased because higher being soul organ ripping ability

[earnest drift]

lace

[hybrid flare]

Im more bothered on how the fuck are they fertile

[unkempt steeple]

I'm 1/6th weaver and I can still make silk

[lucid trellis]

the bell beasts or the weavers?

[hybrid flare]

weavers ofc

Because yk, their genetics are likely a mess and theyre a completely separate species from literally anything

[unkempt steeple]

Why didn't gms just remove/fuck up their reproductive organs rather than make it painful

[hybrid flare]

except pharlids but we dont see any weaver crack pharlids

[earnest drift]

how would one become 1/6 weaver

[hybrid flare]

thats probably what she did

[lucid trellis]

what if they're like komodo dragons

[slender juniper]

H-how...girl I'm not even gonna ask

[hybrid flare]

Komodo dragons are a species

[weary steppe]

poligamy

[lucid trellis]

yeah, but they can reproduce both asexually and sexually

[hybrid flare]

Im a helicopter

[weary steppe]

i don't think it really matters in the hk universe

[slender juniper]

Weavers can't reproduce asexually we know this

[weary steppe]

just take a look at PK and his wife

[hybrid flare]

I mean, we dont see weavers be hermaphrodites, besides, the weavers are described to be part weaver

[weary steppe]

she's literally roots

[hybrid flare]

or have asexual reproduction for that matter

[unkempt steeple]

Dad is one third pale being, one third skarr, one third common and mom is one third weaver, one third moth, one third grey root

[hybrid flare]

yeah well im gonna pick on hk's biology always because why not

[earnest drift]

how can someone be one third anything

[slender juniper]

Eva states how incredibly difficult it is to get pregnant as a weaver,and herrah wouldn't comit to become a dreamer for a heir if she could just pop one out easily

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-up-in-smoke-bee-joke-gif-14006941

[unkempt steeple]

It's complicated

[exotic cedar]

Can sherma really do this?

[cunning geode]

yes

[slender juniper]

They all refer to themselves as daughters and sisters

[exotic cedar]

Holy shit

[slender juniper]

The weaver corpses call hornet
"Daughter of a distant land"

[exotic cedar]

Only good thing about sherma is that his name sounds like jerma

[toxic vigil]

2nd sentinel is actually a great fight

[weary steppe]

i think that she just wanted her child to be more than just 1/2 weaver

she wanted something more

[cunning geode]

i do love how the community's interpretation of sherma's personality was completely wrong before silksong released

[slender juniper]

Huh

The gendered child I'm crine

[latent terrace]

It's has become cool to say that you like Bilewater just like saying that you like Dark Souls 2

[slender juniper]

No

[weary steppe]

but DS2 is actually good

[earnest drift]

was pale king ever planning on having children outside of the radiance plan

pale king x white lady seems toxic tbh

[weary steppe]

maybe?

[latent terrace]

I feel like this is where the long run back had been normalized

[slender juniper]

Don't know he left all of them except one so

[latent terrace]

[slender juniper]

Clearly has a favorite child

[earnest drift]

thk is still part of the radiance plan

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-14576367

[earnest drift]

and technically so is hornet

[weary steppe]

well, yes, but they kind of bonded throughout the years

[slender juniper]

Hornet has no relationship with PK

[slender juniper]

She outright calls PK a fool

[weary steppe]

that's kind of the whole plot

[earnest drift]

do we get to see any of this other than the path of pain ending scene

[weary steppe]

well, at least she liked the white lady

[slender juniper]

That's his abused wife lmao

💔

GO MAKE ME A THOUSAND CHILDREN

NOW

[versed current]

The white lady and pale king truly loved each other

[earnest drift]

yeah i think people downplay that this put a lot of pressure on her

[weary steppe]

didn't she already want to have, like, one gazillion children?

[earnest drift]

her kind is supposedly made for making children but it was apparently so stressful that she doesn't want to have children ever again

[versed current]

The white lady mentions the pk as “her beloved wyrm” when you collect the kingsoul

[earnest drift]

kind of sad that every single one of her children got doomed

[weary steppe]

wasn't her containment to stop her from having more children?

[slender juniper]

Aren't all vessels part root can't you just plant them

[weary steppe]

like, i think it was kind of an instinct to her

[earnest drift]

that she applied to herself

[sharp cobalt]

Hello

[slender juniper]

I like how hornet says "don't mistake your creation for no life, I have seen others make the same mistake"

[earnest drift]

yeah but it's a very regretful and wistful way of saying it

[sick elm]

White Lady - Reacting to Charms - Listening after acquiring Kingsoul

Ahh! So it bears our once-fractured soul, now complete. Such strength, such resolve, such dedication! Is it more than simply a Vessel? I almost feel like I'm once again in the presence of my beloved Wyrm.
The Kingsoul... What is at the heart of it I wonder? If its curiosity wills it, it should seek out that place. That place where it was born, where it died, where it began...

@the.citrus. used /npcs misc name: White Lady category: Reacting to Charms dialogue: Listening after acquiring Kingsoul

[earnest drift]

there was clearly some kind of breakup between them, because they separated

[weary steppe]

well, yes, that's my point

[slender juniper]

She says that to lace after she starts depression talking

[weary steppe]

he DIED

[earnest drift]

white lady stayed in her gardens while pale king ran off into his palace

[slender juniper]

Thank God

[earnest drift]

but before that he moved his palace to the dream realm

[lucid trellis]

"Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others make the same mistake."

[lucid trellis]

correct, its called death

[earnest drift]

before that pk moved his palace into the dream realm

if he asked white lady to join him, she said no

and if he didn't ask her to join him, then that's messed up in its own way

[versed current]

The white lady summoned a seal onto herself so she wouldnt make anymore children

[hybrid flare]

Yeah i know, thats what im saying

[hybrid flare]

she was long hidden probably

[weary steppe]

i really think he just didn't want her to die with him when the infected finally got to them

[versed current]

Ofc the pale king wasnt always going to be next to her

[earnest drift]

if she was hiding from him then that's again a method of separation

[versed current]

There were more important things to do

[weary steppe]

she wasn't hiding from him

where did you take that from?

[hybrid flare]

More like hiding herself

[versed current]

She wasnt hiding from him lol, she states the seal is to stop the urge of making children

[hybrid flare]

Its out of shame

[weary steppe]

from herself, and the infected

[sharp cobalt]

Greetings subjects

[hybrid flare]

she was hidden out of shame iirc=?

[lucid trellis]

isn't it strange that the white palace was like, as anti-weaver as possible?

[earnest drift]

anyway pk and white lady's relationship is evidently damaged before pale king died

[weary steppe]

it doesn't mean she was hiding from PK

[hybrid flare]

the in-dream white palace is probably distorted by the pk's mind or smt

i doubt it looked like THAT

[earnest drift]

you can see white roots around the place iirc

[hybrid flare]

Situationship

[earnest drift]

good description

[sick elm]

White Lady - General - Listening after returning

Do I seem prisoner here? If so, it's not by any choice but my own. These bindings about me, I've chosen to erect.
There is some shame I feel from my own part in the deed and this method guarantees it cease.
I still feel that urge you see. I always will. A voracious desire to spread seeds upon the land, to propogate myself, to breed.

@the.citrus. used /npcs misc name: White Lady category: General dialogue: Listening after returning

[hybrid flare]

I would assume those are the wyrm thingies that you can also see in kingdom's edge

[earnest drift]

can you send images of this

[weary steppe]

well, of course, their reign felled to a plague and their thousands of childrens where forever locked in the abyss

[hybrid flare]

see the background

[earnest drift]

and they chose to be away from each other after everything

[hybrid flare]

wyrm plant root ash wtv

[earnest drift]

or at least one of them chose to be away from the other

[versed current]

Because the king had more things to do

[earnest drift]

oh ok

[weary steppe]

grief does that to people sometimes

[earnest drift]

i thought pale king put it there because he missed his wife or smth

[hybrid flare]

I dont think they hate eachother but they certainly know they fucked up BIG time

[cosmic nest]

hornet versus ghost who wins no shade lord bs

[versed current]

The white lady chose to hide herself and the king respected that

[weary steppe]

hornet

[versed current]

Ghost

[earnest drift]

is ghost allowed to raise up the void to help them

[hybrid flare]

ghost because they can still throw out void

[weary steppe]

Hornet obliterates him

[hybrid flare]

void spells

[cosmic nest]

1v1 they can use void no siblings tho

[real apex]

Ugh, that part was so tedious, you wouldn't believe how many times I died there xD

[versed current]

Easy ghost win

[cosmic nest]

I wouldnt say easy

[earnest drift]

if they can still raise up the void like the tendrils in radiance fight i think ghost wins

[hybrid flare]

fuck the bighoppers genuinely

[sharp cobalt]

Who should I put in court next?

[weary steppe]

can she use purple cogfly?

[versed current]

Ghost beat hornet twice

[cosmic nest]

yes

[earnest drift]

if ghost doesn't have void heart then hornet wins

[weary steppe]

lace

[cosmic nest]

Thats pre pharloom

[lavish apex]

ghost quite literally did win

[hybrid flare]

Ghost still has the stupid void spells

[lavish apex]

that matchup happened

[cosmic nest]

THATS PRE PHARLOOM

[weary steppe]

pre-silksong

[sharp cobalt]

She is unfortunately lost so I wont be able to get ahold of her

[earnest drift]

hornet has red tools

[lavish apex]

although maybe hornet would be canonically stronger after silksong

[versed current]

Still had all her abilities

[silk pumice]

theres abilities in silksong too

[hybrid flare]

thats not nearly as braindead lmao

[weary steppe]

fuck

[earnest drift]

red tools are EXTREMELY braindead

[hybrid flare]

Yeah the soul spells for hornet are neat but the void would shred hornet

[cosmic nest]

hornet got needle upgrades mask upgrades crest upgrades she basically tripled in strength

[weary steppe]

really didn't, she got way stronger after silksong

[earnest drift]

it's just double damage that's nothing

[hybrid flare]

Gameplay wise? sure, but ghost kinda just makes em bounce off

[silk pumice]

the snail shamans

[cosmic nest]

can the knight hit hornet tho

[hybrid flare]

shit i havent thought of that

[earnest drift]

they can't parry all 16 curvesickles spammed at them

[hybrid flare]

hornet is gonna mobilitymaxx everything

[cosmic nest]

hornet can easily outrun the knight and also regenerates silk

[sharp cobalt]

Stupid fucking groal took care of that and the others are dead

[hybrid flare]

they can vengeful spirit

[silk pumice]

groal then

[earnest drift]

not all 16 of them

[weary steppe]

so take his stupid ass to court then

[hybrid flare]

yes

[cosmic nest]

Hornet can ragebait ghost by running away and then sharpdart thru them and run the other way

[earnest drift]

and if just one curvesickle hits the knight they get instakilled

[hybrid flare]

also ghost has a fucking shadow cloak for FREE

[hybrid flare]

Tk is very durable

[sharp cobalt]

He will be executed

[earnest drift]

9 masks vs 10 masks

[silk pumice]

good

[cosmic nest]

since when was curvesicle blessed w everbloom

[weary steppe]

Hornet, Shaman Crest, Electrified Pale Nails and Sharpdart

[silk pumice]

what about crust king khann next

[cosmic nest]

YEEOUCH

[hybrid flare]

Hornet takes 2 masks from everything

[earnest drift]

it will deal 2 masks 5 times quickly

[earnest drift]

because pharloom is stronger

[versed current]

Wait, so youre giving hornet all her abilites but ignoring all of the void powers?

[cosmic nest]

The knight gets all their abiliteie we get to use

[weary steppe]

cause pharloom is just built different

[hybrid flare]

Buddy even from a fucking skullbug, hornet would take 4 masks from the great hoppers

and 5 masks from the exploding bats

[cosmic nest]

Hornet can use all of that at any time the knight only gets to use the void in cutscenes we cant really ever use that

[versed current]

So knight gets all silk abilities w

[earnest drift]

great hoppers are weak

[hybrid flare]

they killed my lineage

[cosmic nest]

no what

Ghost is not a weaver

[weary steppe]

what?

[earnest drift]

the skullbug is the same size as an entombed husk, they'd deal 2 masks to the knight as well

[versed current]

Sharp shadow, shadecloak, all of the spells,

[cosmic nest]

oh yeah all charms too

[hybrid flare]

the entombed husks are gymbros

[versed current]

They def are

[cosmic nest]

NOT ALL AT ONCE

[versed current]

Ye ghost def wins

[weary steppe]

what are you smoking?

[versed current]

Silk

[lavish apex]

1 hit of curvesickle is not as strong as radiance shit

[cosmic nest]

hornet wins but the moment knight pops shade form its ggs

[weary steppe]

how did i never think of that

[cosmic nest]

but that doesnr count

[slender juniper]

A curvesickle is 2 masks of damage

[lavish apex]

maybe 1 mask twice

[weary steppe]

hornet definitely wins

[versed current]

How lol, knight still has all of their spells and beat hornet twice before

[lavish apex]

if it hits twice
but ghost is too small for that

[rough dawn]

what if

instead of steel soul run

[cosmic nest]

THAT WAS IN HALLOWNEST

[rough dawn]

it was called

https://tenor.com/view/sbr-johnny-joestar-johnny-jojo-jjba-gif-6490924064178560533

[cosmic nest]

silk ball run

[versed current]

And hornet still had her abilities

[weary steppe]

she's like, 5x stronger now

[weary steppe]

"black and white johnny joestar with red eyes" run?

[cosmic nest]

she has 6 new crests 2x the health everbloom if u even wanna count that all the upgrades 4x the needle dmg

[versed current]

So hornet gets her endgame abilites but the knight doesnt get their void forms

[rough dawn]

r we debating whos stronger now 😓

[earnest drift]

also the knight needed help from thousands of siblings to beat a god while hornet beat a god all on her own

[cosmic nest]

the knight gets their endgame stuff

[versed current]

Ye i fell for it

[weary steppe]

exactly, cus she doesn't get her weaver queen form, stop whining

[versed current]

So they get their void form and shadelord

[cosmic nest]

this is ragebai

[versed current]

We do control void form and shadelord when killing radiance

[earnest drift]

weaver queen beats shade lord sorry gng

[cosmic nest]

i wouldnt say that

[rough dawn]

i hate when people take the fact that in ss you take double damage from certain things, thats just a gameplay choice dude 😒

[weary steppe]

actually doesn't

[earnest drift]

lost lace could beat shade lord

[versed current]

…lol…

[weary steppe]

even tho hornet is stronger than ghost, shade lord wins against weaver queen

[versed current]

Shadelord just takes away the void

[silk pumice]

lost lace cant even beat base hornet

[weary steppe]

now you're going insane

[silk pumice]

shadelord is winning

[earnest drift]

base hornet can beat shade lord

[versed current]

Ye im leaving @earnest drift has been smoking too much silk

[weary steppe]

base ghost can beat shade lord, you just need the right player

[weary steppe]

so did you

[cosmic nest]

Shadelord beats anything in hkss no diff

[earnest drift]

twisted child + weaver queen together can beat shade lord

[weary steppe]

radiance didn't stand a chance and she was like, the god of gods before it happened

[cosmic nest]

This is truly the debate of the millennia

[cosmic nest]

unless hornet turns into the everbloom queen its ggs

the knight doesnt even get countered by everbloom they can just reappear in other void

[weary steppe]

considering that the white lady can create everbloons, can we assume that she's, like, immune to void or some shit like that?

[hybrid flare]

we dont even know what happened in the ending

[hybrid flare]

she doesnt create them what?

[earnest drift]

no she probably just picked it up from a place they were growing

[cosmic nest]

Right answer wrong reason

[hybrid flare]

They apparently had them in the palace... and they were apparently the only way to ward off the void they had... (we dont see ANY of them in the palace)

[earnest drift]

it was planted on a grave in her garden, maybe it spread

[hybrid flare]

did ze'mer just steal them or smt

[weary steppe]

ohhh, that's right

[cosmic nest]

White lady is insanely strong but not bc of everbloom

[weary steppe]

forgot it

[hybrid flare]

white lady has done nothing and will continue to do nothing until the end of time

[cosmic nest]

Wait lmao new hc the knight gave the white lady everbloom to give to hornet

[weary steppe]

i think she's like, the opposite of the shade lord

[earnest drift]

when does she say they were in the palace

[cosmic nest]

which makes me scared for wtf happens in twisted child ending

[hybrid flare]

You would assume they were if she mentions them being the ONLY way to keep the void away

Not even in the workshop

[weary steppe]

while he's the pinnacle of all void things, she seems to be the pinnacle of all pale things

[earnest drift]

she says that because it's what hornet needs now for the abyss

not because she used it against the void before

[hybrid flare]

She still mentions the fact lmao, which isnt even true

[cosmic nest]

exactly which makes me think why wasnt she the queen of hallownest? (Before pk)

[earnest drift]

none of this implies she used it before

[hybrid flare]

The average lantern would do

[hexed sonnet]

this would be my boss ranking based purely on FUN & ENJOYMENT

[weary steppe]

cause, just like shade lord, she really just doesn't care enough for this shit

[hybrid flare]

trobbio and SETH up there

[weary steppe]

KHAN MY GOAT

[earnest drift]

lost lace

[cosmic nest]

so powerful she can resist the urges of higher beings holy sheet

[weary steppe]

I LOVED HIS BOSSFIGHT SOOO MUCH

[hexed sonnet]

s tier

[hybrid flare]

she blatantly lies even if she didnt because its not the only way

[earnest drift]

the lighthouse?

[silk pumice]

why the fuck is groal higher than shakra

[hybrid flare]

yeah... and whatever pk used in his workshop

probably himself?

[earnest drift]

did white lady know about what he was doing

[hybrid flare]

big ass lanternhead

[hexed sonnet]

groal is actually a fun boss fight

[hybrid flare]

Possibly

[earnest drift]

i don't think she was very involved in his experiments

[orchid quest]

huh

[hybrid flare]

She talks about her family and stuff, involucrating pk

[earnest drift]

also the lighthouse was ultimately a failure, right?

[silk pumice]

never said it wasnt, but why is it higher than shakra

[hybrid flare]

I mean, not really? it could do its job

the worker didnt have 99 mental fortitude at that time

[hexed sonnet]

i just had more fun

[earnest drift]

but it broke and people died

[hybrid flare]

It didnt break you literally turn it back on

[cosmic nest]

people overestimate the light house its literally like flashing a light in someones eyes irl like its not like the everbloom

[hybrid flare]

the worker just turned it off

because the void whispered to them? the void can do that?

[earnest drift]

anyway i don't see any inconsistencies here

white lady doesn't say she used the flower before

[weary steppe]

i think it can, it just doesn't most of the time

[hybrid flare]

She likely knew about wtv pk was doing and its clearly NOT the only way

[earnest drift]

she says it's the only way to resist the void because it's the only chance hornet has

[cosmic nest]

If u needolin the void threads do they say anything

[hybrid flare]

its a little retcon that doesnt matter that much ultimately

[cosmic nest]

Or just shake

[earnest drift]

i doubt it, those two do not scream good communication

[hybrid flare]

I guess if you interpret it as like, the present

they cant hand hornet a giant portable lantern thats lilke 8x her size

[earnest drift]

it is the present, not just a memory

[hybrid flare]

it is a memory in the present

[earnest drift]

white lady is somehow talking to hornet in the present

[cosmic nest]

pale higher being bullshit

[hybrid flare]

It is likely hornet's memory larping as wl

[earnest drift]

yeah that was kind of out of nowhere

[hybrid flare]

i dont think its some unexplained telepathy bs

[weary steppe]

not really white lady, but the image of her that hornet had in her memories

[cosmic nest]

i hate how this is literally correct usage of the term

pk versus asgore who sold their kingdom more by being a scared bum

[weary steppe]

pk

[hybrid flare]

Asgore actually had it he just had to be more of a maniac

[earnest drift]

pk killed thousands more children than asgore

[hybrid flare]

though humans would likely nuke the shit out of monsters

[earnest drift]

pk would terrify asgore

[cosmic nest]

i agree pk was genuinely a brainlet

[hybrid flare]

for oil and promised 3000 years ago land

[weary steppe]

my goat lost for having a kind heart

[cosmic nest]

The exp was promised to us 3000 years ago

[earnest drift]

what if he built the black egg outside of hallownest so the infection couldn't reach them

[vivid horizon]

Where's tormented trobbio

[cosmic nest]

like why didnt he do this

[hybrid flare]

He thought it would work

[hexed sonnet]

both trobbios at S

[vivid horizon]

Omg mb

[hybrid flare]

thats kinda the point, anything would do

[strange knot]

Making characters stupid as fuck just to story to exist:

[cosmic nest]

i dont understand why pk didnt fight radiance himself

[vivid horizon]

I'm so blind

[hybrid flare]

My guy already put in the crossroads give him some slack

[weary steppe]

cause he was just weaker than her at his actual form

[hexed sonnet]

the hardest ACT 3 boss is lost lace
the second hardest act 3 boss is fucking bell eater

[hybrid flare]

he was handling a ticking bomb

[weary steppe]

he probably could fight her when he was a wyrm

but not as a small fucking insect

[cosmic nest]

really? He’s a pale higher being im sure he could do something

[cosmic nest]

Ghost is a small insect

[earnest drift]

it's right next to the capital

[hybrid flare]

thats kind of a stretch

[weary steppe]

with a full god inside of him

[cosmic nest]

one elevator down and the capital is orange

[weary steppe]

pk is a reduced form of an old god

[cosmic nest]

pk is a god tho

[hybrid flare]

mind you like the areas surrounding the map are mostly out of pk's domain

[slender juniper]

Is this the DLC map?

[cosmic nest]

theyre 90% just wilds and nothing

[cosmic nest]

yea it got leaked sadly

[weary steppe]

pk abdicated of the full extent of his powers as a wyrm to reign over hallownest

[cosmic nest]

Dumb idiot wyrm

[hybrid flare]

We dont know if he was stronger as a wyrm

physically maybe but magically he's likely the same

who needs arms when i can cast some!

[cosmic nest]

Could pk have surrendered himself to the void and then fought the radiance

[weary steppe]

dumb idiot pale fucking higher beings with their wish to dominate civilizations

[hybrid flare]

he would die

that's all he would achieve

[weary steppe]

void probably wouldn't give a shit about his surrender

shade lord really just killed absolute radiance cause of the love for the game, y'know?

[cosmic nest]

Ok what if he goes into the radiances doman with a shit ton of void lets it all loose and then wakes up

[earnest drift]

he didn't have to go too far, based on what we see i think this would've been far enough

[weary steppe]

his little fam (ghost) needed some help, and he handled it

[cosmic nest]

wait can u exit the radiance fight via dreamnail or no

[earnest drift]

one hallownest length away

[earnest drift]

this wouldn't work though, he doesn't have a way to carry the void or stop the void from attacking him

[strange knot]

Radiance can deal real harm since ghost is dying for real in that fight

[weary steppe]

kind of impossible considering that the wastelands are, like, fucking hell

[cosmic nest]

Should have done it into the abyss

[weary steppe]

actual good point

[cosmic nest]

Gms’s minions made it through tho im sure pk with the pure vessel as protection could make it theu

[earnest drift]

how bad are the wastes

[weary steppe]

really bad

[cosmic nest]

actually matter of fact why not train the pure vessel to just kill the radiance????

[earnest drift]

iirc quirrel says the wastes aren't as dangerous as current day hallownest

[cosmic nest]

Ghost can do it as a baby im 100% sure pv could solo radiance

[weary steppe]

they didn't think it was possible, and it actually wasn't

[strange knot]

I may be wrong but pure vessel isn’t real, it’s what thk could’ve become

[earnest drift]

what info do we get on it

[weary steppe]

ghost could only do it cause he was actually hollow and HK was holding radiance inside of him

[cosmic nest]

im pretty sure pv was real bc of the dnail dialogue hinting at it still having a mind

[cosmic nest]

GHOST WASNT HOLLOW

[weary steppe]

OF COURSE HE WAS

[cosmic nest]

none of the vessels were

[strange knot]

But pk could just get 5 great knights

[strange knot]

No..?

[weary steppe]

wasn't he?

[cosmic nest]

pk was so stupid pure vessel could absolutely solo radiance

[strange knot]

They aren’t

[weary steppe]

oh god

[bitter briar]

Holy larpers

[cosmic nest]

none of the vessels r hollow thats how hornets gets saved

[bitter briar]

Yall did not watch ur mossbag😭

[strange knot]

Imagine using discord to talk

[cosmic nest]

A MISUNDERSTANDING IS NOT LAR LARP LARP SAHUR

[weary steppe]

actual good point, you got me there

[weary steppe]

meanie

[vivid horizon]

Fr

[earnest drift]

so i think pale king should've gathered some workers with materials to build the black egg, sent them into the wastes to build it, then sealed the radiance into thk, and then take thk into the wastes and seal thk into the black egg
the dreamers wouldn't be necessary because thk is too far from hallownest for the infection to get to the kingdom

[cosmic nest]

knight’s will was actually so strong it just murdered the radiance

[queen acorn]

bros from blue judas anime

[weary steppe]

but, why weren't they hollow? did PK really just get it fucked up in his plan?

[hybrid flare]

the whole point of hk is that pk's plan was semi-baseless and rushed

[hybrid flare]

The workers would become savages in the wastes

[cosmic nest]

Its also how the knight knows to return to hallownest when it hears the radiance cry out from thk

[hybrid flare]

due to pk's influence fading

[rough dawn]

i tried to do a cocoon skip in steel soull...

[bitter briar]

First of all, the reason the knight was able to climb out of the abyss is because they weren’t hollow which is also how all the other vessels helped the knight kill radiance. Secondly, pure vessel could not solo radiance because radiance literally TOOK OVER its body, like bro are we fr.

[cosmic nest]

an iq too high?

[rough dawn]

is that sisyphus prime

[weary steppe]

iirc, the wastes erase the consciense or sum shit like that, so they couldn't do it outside of hallownest

[earnest drift]

some of them are sentient without pale king, right? we see many bugs that are sentient long after his death

[rough dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[weary steppe]

cool

[hybrid flare]

His influence is still there i think, as the kingdom keeps glowing

[earnest drift]

what evidence do we have for this

[hybrid flare]

Its burgerman prime

[hybrid flare]

The grimm troupe mentioning it i think

or it was bardoon?

[cosmic nest]

hornet could have probably beaten radiance if she had pharloom’s development and came back

[bitter briar]

The Grimm troupe said the kingdom was already cooked

[earnest drift]

can you show me

[weary steppe]

something i never got to understand is why and how tf he was so far away from hallownest before the game

[hybrid flare]

fuck man im eating

[bitter briar]

No she would not the radiances influence is much stronger than gms

[cosmic nest]

They’re a wanderer, thats why the wanderer crest is basically the vessel

[cosmic nest]

the influence is irrelevant the only reason she couldnt is bc the blegg temple had void whic made her sleepy

[weary steppe]

the biggest problem in beating radiance is that she isn't really a physical thing

[cosmic nest]

if she just brought everbloom in she would finish radiance

[cosmic nest]

She could get dreamnail from seer

[bitter briar]

Ok so now I know you’re larping

[weary steppe]

but how did they get out of the abyss?

[bitter briar]

THE EVERBLOOM ONLY WORKS ON VOID BEINGS

THIS IS LITERALLY STATED IN SILKSONG

[earnest drift]

radiance is just bright void

[hybrid flare]

I cant find it but i remember it being mentioned somewhere..

[cosmic nest]

larper self reporting it literally repells the void tendrils

[bitter briar]

Radiance is the opposite of void

[earnest drift]

so she would be countered by the NEVERbloom

[cosmic nest]

There were small tunnels in the abyss, thats how the weavers get there

[strange knot]

I’m not sure truer sentence have been ever spoken?

[bitter briar]

“Void” beings, “void” tendrils

[weary steppe]

people who actually played the game can't be larpers, bro, that goes against the concept of the term

[earnest drift]

the NEVERWITHER

[weary steppe]

ooooooh, that makes so much sense

[bitter briar]

Reading comprehension curse is multiversal

[hybrid flare]

larpers that act like they know the lore

[earnest drift]

am i a larper

[hybrid flare]

or can read

[cosmic nest]

tiktok media language wont save u

[hybrid flare]

you're not actually lace so thats accurate

[weary steppe]

genius

[bitter briar]

Ur literally capping I said that everbloom works on void beings and then u said it works on void tendrils😭

[weary steppe]

you guys should chill out

[bitter briar]

You do NOT know hk lore

[cosmic nest]

what do u mean by this

[weary steppe]

it's not that deep

[cosmic nest]

hornet literalky holds the everbloom and takes a dip in the void lake

[weary steppe]

it's just videogame lore

[vivid horizon]

"Chilling with my siblings"

[bitter briar]

Yes that’s what happens, how does this prove the everbloom beats radiance?

[weary steppe]

when you have to wear a gas mask to the family reunion cause everyone smokes

[cosmic nest]

no im saying hornet could use the everbloom to survive the black egg temple since the void inside would otherwise drain her energy

[strange knot]

Btw why does hornet needs everbloom, she’s void why can’t she just swim there?

[weary steppe]

she isn't void

[vivid horizon]

Her siblings don't like her

[strange knot]

[cosmic nest]

From then she could easily defeat thk and assumedly get a dream nail to go into thks mind and kill radianxe

[bitter briar]

The black egg temple doesn’t have void in i

[weary steppe]

is she?

[cosmic nest]

genuinely u cant be serious rn

the black egg temple. Black egg. The black (void ridden eggs) eggs that the vessels hatched from.

[earnest drift]

why wouldn't they like her? all she did was kill dozens of them

[weary steppe]

cap, they're best friends

[bitter briar]

If the black egg temple had void then hornet wouldn’t have been able to go in and hinder Thk

[cosmic nest]

dont come by my house. We arent friends anymore. We’re done.

[vivid horizon]

Truee

[cosmic nest]

She does, and then immediately passes out bcof the void

[vivid horizon]

I love it when my best friends tickle me so hard I start dying!

[cosmic nest]

did we see ending 3 she literally goes into a coma

[weary steppe]

lol

[bitter briar]

SHE PASSES OUT BECAUSE OF THE BIG ASS EXPLOSION FROM KILLING RADIANCE

[cosmic nest]

we also see the void literally drain from blegg temple in ending 3

[strange knot]

“It’s me, you best friend” - vessels probably

[bitter briar]

Yo you are not a real person

[weary steppe]

if you look at the right angle, Lace is just Hornet all over again

[cosmic nest]

no she doesnt lmao she passes out if u dont dream nail thk

[cosmic nest]

Please calm down

[earnest drift]

but better

[bitter briar]

No she just stays there until you do something

[weary steppe]

never say that again, they're besties and equal

[bitter briar]

She passes out because you hit her

[weary steppe]

they save each other and are happy forever

[cosmic nest]

no? She doesnt i can literally refight thk and show u

[earnest drift]

they tried to kill each other 3 times

[lucid forum]

I feel like 100% silksong again

[earnest drift]

lace saved hornet twice and hornet saved her ONCE. hornet is in debt she needs to pay up

[weary steppe]

character development exists and they saved each other at the end, that's what matters

[earnest drift]

and it wasn't even hornet it was the knight

[weary steppe]

tecnically saved her twice

[earnest drift]

hornet SUCKS at saving lace, she needs to make her pancakes every day for 60 years to make it up to her

[weary steppe]

first, from the gms, then from the void

[earnest drift]

when did she save lace from gms

[weary steppe]

i agree with those terms

[weary steppe]

when she fucking killed gms

[strange knot]

Pancakes? Oneshot reference. kill me please for this awful joke please

[weary steppe]

or sealed her, whatever

[earnest drift]

gms sacrificed herself for hornet to silksoar out

[hybrid flare]

much sticker situation for hornet

[weary steppe]

character development

[cosmic nest]

Why was that larper obsessed guy so aggressive AND wrong

[hybrid flare]

MUCH MUCH stickier situation actually

[cosmic nest]

made me a little mad

[weary steppe]

go on, it's worth it

[weary steppe]

it happens, people are just so stressed out at the internet

[cosmic nest]

Understandable

Its just funny how he kept calling me a larper despite being in the wrong about almost every point

[hybrid flare]

They ironically were larping

[weary steppe]

the stickiest situation

[bitter briar]

No?????

[weary steppe]

hipocrisy, the most common trait of ignorant people

[cosmic nest]

Lets continue if you’d like

[bitter briar]

Alright yall just ganging up on me now