sk-discussion

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-6069929492524291916

[azure patrol]

I'll jusT use wanderer/architect and call it a day

[queen acorn]

crazy prefire

[severe schooner]

Yeah reaper is the goat

[ruby agate]

silksong players when they have to play the game

[queen acorn]

reaper is goated and yall some bums that switched up the moment architect was found

[plucky delta]

1. Architect
2. reaper
3. witch
4. Beast
5. Hunter
6. Wander
7. Shaman
   (Shaman is at 7 because I haven't got it yet so I don't how it runs yet but will probably go above hunter)

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-isamor-pious-isamor-bug-hollow-knight-gif-17425660267368156915

[patent heath]

I switched up the moment I realised how much I liked Witch's bind.

[queen acorn]

this is CORNY!!!

[strange knot]

I’ve never actually used architect

[patent heath]

Like. It's sooooooo good.

[rose forge]

See we know

[lavish apex]

aura

[queen acorn]

reaper is GOATED

[plucky delta]

Yes I main reaper unless the boss is fast. Then it's architect

[rose forge]

We see we learn we know

[azure patrol]

The best part about silksong is you can punish some vendors for being too greedy

[patent heath]

Then I saw Shaman Crest.

[rose forge]

Witch is good

[queen acorn]

i dont CARE how knee deep you are into act 3 its still goated

[patent heath]

And I switched up the moment I saw 3 Silk Skills.

[strange knot]

Same I was a reaper main and changed to witch cuz of the bind

[severe schooner]

Fr fr fr

[queen acorn]

reaper had me up to first sinner

[rose forge]

evreyone here is so fucking based dude

[ruby agate]

when i started playing silksong i initially hated the diagonal pogo so i used reaper

and then i learnt how 45 degree angles work because reaper is slower than the line at the grocery store

[light swan]

i too was a reaper main and changed to witch becuase witch was cooler than every other crest in every possible way

[rose forge]

7 months into silksong and people FINALLY know

[radiant cape]

HELLO PEOPLE I AM BACK AFTER 3 WEEKS TO SHARE MY PROGRESS SINCE LAST TIME

[queen acorn]

so its a switch up

yall some fake fans if you cant appreciate a crest

[patent heath]

I mean, Shaman's usability really depends on how much you like to use Silk Skills.

[plucky delta]

Idk seems like the player was just blind. I have no problem pogoing with reaper. Heck I do skips with reaper a lot instead of using clawline

[radiant cape]

Or not?

[ruby agate]

i used to be a wanderer main but then i realised "Holy fuck witch is based why didnt i use this"

[strange knot]

Btw I lied that witch can volt pogo its a qol bug

[azure patrol]

I am sure middle of 90 degree is 45 degree

[light swan]

i’d be scared if it could

[ruby agate]

i think i just never tried witch so i didnt know it had thatcool bind LMAO

[toxic vigil]

so this?

[ruby agate]

holy fuck bro

[light swan]

i play witch for its sickass animation cancels and tech and combos

the bind is a nice flavor

[plucky delta]

To be perfectly honest. I rarely use silk abilities and probably need to use em more often

[graceful cairn]

i used to be a hunter main till i was like "wait this crest is fucking awesome im gonna keep using it"

[light swan]

bit too slow

[strange knot]

I started playing witch cuz of the bind now I play witch bc of combos

[lavish apex]

my hands are too shit to have fun playing witch

[azure patrol]

Chat how to use the spiny blue tool?

[ruby agate]

as a flea dodge warrior you make me horrified

[strange knot]

?????

wtf

[ruby agate]

yes i did this before seth arrived i thought it'd be funny

[toxic vigil]

if i do it too fast i miss the 2nd witch dash attack hit i think right?
so just time it better between 2nd hit and clawline?

[plucky delta]

XD

[graceful cairn]

WHAT

[light swan]

the beginning of this video is what a good animation cancels and combat looks like

[patent heath]

If you want to learn Silk Skills, start with Silkspear. It's the easiest to use and the easiest to learn.

[ruby agate]

can you record one of these while recording your key inputs

[azure patrol]

Is hornet canonically naked?

[strange knot]

Silkspear my beloved

[light swan]

ideally you click clawline as soon as the second hit lands, like the same frame

[patent heath]

After that, Pale Nails though you get it in Act 3.

[lavish apex]

you're a psycho

[plucky delta]

I mean I do use silkskills but nearly to the point of not using them. I mostly use the dash through enemies one.

[light swan]

um does this help or nah

[ruby agate]

theres an obs key input recorder

[plucky delta]

I'm also noticing a lot of the witch crest users are PC players....

[light swan]

so much work :(

[frail apex]

The grapple? I love the grappling hook.

[light swan]

to be honest i thought it was the other way around

[toxic vigil]

( this is debug mode frame by frame ) like tihs?

[light swan]

yea pretry much

[plucky delta]

Idk so far the people I've seen using it have that DPS and health bar and I don't have that so I'm assuming it's a mod.

[patent heath]

Oh yeah, that one is also nice.
I guess to get used to them more, you just need to start using them more.

[ruby agate]

its js an overlay

[strange knot]

I should attempt coral tower no hits again ngl

[patent heath]

Agony.

[lavish apex]

the music sync is insane

[patent heath]

I had one run which I threw to fucking Khann.

[light swan]

part of why i like the clip lol

[strange knot]

Sad, i threw a lot of times to 4th floor

[lavish apex]

i forgot about ultimate enemy that's a good track

[light swan]

i dont think it’s one of the best xc3 battle themes but it’s weirdly peak lol

[lavish apex]

i should try circlet in my next run

[light swan]

i forgot i made this it’s so accurate

[strange knot]

Peak

[toxic vigil]

what about " i am not fucking good enough to do warding bind "

[patent heath]

I'd use Warding Bell but I am too used to Longclaw to unequip it. 😭

[lavish apex]

city of steel should have a metal soundtrack

[lavish apex]

for bosses

[ruby agate]

yo illusion cna you record the grand reed instakill with your keybinds recorded twin

[patent heath]

Going so fast it causes afterimages.

Faster than the speed of light.

[strange knot]

I think this clip is a lot better than illusions frfr

[proven sky]

Whaa, how do you Dash Attack into Dash Attack?

[toxic vigil]

bitch

[patent heath]

Do not diss my goat like this.

[strange knot]

Second sentinel our beloved

Yes our.

[lavish apex]

that healthbar ui is so good what

[patent heath]

I agree!

[ruby agate]

you're going so fast you went through the fucking reed bro

[graceful oyster]

Why are Heng and Yi such amazing characters

[vast grove]

why is second sentinel and pinstress boss fight so similar

[ruby agate]

because the sentinels were designed after the pinstresses

[toxic vigil]

the pinstress says that the citadel learned from them

[orchid spruce]

you're done with ||normal egg?|| (nine sols)

[vast grove]

oooooooooooooooooooooh which one is harder second sentinel or pinstress

[graceful oyster]

No, I have a lot to do this week so I'm gonna take her fight in chunks

[orchid spruce]

[toxic vigil]

2 hornets

[graceful oyster]

It's going to be a long process

It is very hard

[toxic vigil]

2nd sentinel is a better fight but idk which is harder

[vast grove]

k

[strange knot]

Pinstress probably harder

[tropic swan]

Sentinel is harder I think..

But still not a very hard fight

Oh

[lavish apex]

second sentinel is pretty easy

[tropic swan]

I thought that was the general consensus

[lavish apex]

i don't think i've ever died to them

[tropic swan]

I fail to see what makes sentinel hard

The only thing it does that's really difficult is the cross slash attack

[spark anchor]

second sentinel would be in the second half of p3 if they were in pantheons

[tropic swan]

But it's well telegraphed and once you know to just jump to the side you'll never get hit

[spark anchor]

their cyclone slash is quite hard to react to imo

[lavish apex]

they were slightly hard to nohit because they have a lot of weird patterns

but just to beat i've never found them tough at all

[tropic swan]

I don't remember struggling with such an attack

[tropic swan]

Fair enough, but a lot of hollow knight bosses become unreasonably difficult in a no hit run

[toxic vigil]

sk is less bad bc you usually took less hits in the first place

[lavish apex]

out of the ones i've done which is everyone in hk1 + gms, ss, and lost lace in skong, the only ones i'd say got there are markoth and absrad

even thk and regular radiance consecutively wasn't terribly hard after absrad

[plucky delta]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3OLocZ3H_ZSpEBLXuZXWRgQY8z743UYg?si=CBLqgffUJSaZXEnH

[tropic swan]

I recently did all the hollow knight bosses in radiant finally (im still trying to do absrad) and the only ones i can say are really hard in radiant are like, markoth, pure vessel, and absrad to be completely honest

[toxic vigil]

i have 43/44 radhog

[tropic swan]

I never bothered to no hit silksong bosses however

[lavish apex]

pure vessel isn't that bad i feel, mostly because in getting good enough at the fight to beat them consistently you're already like 60% of the way there

[tropic swan]

Pure vessel is just a really hard fight in general

Whereas i feel like a lot of the difficulty for markoth and absrad just comes from being unlucky with the pattern

[lavish apex]

radabsrad was the single most difficult thing i have ever accomplished in a video game

and it's not close

[light swan]

middle

[tropic swan]

I think that's a stretch

[light swan]

not any time soon i’ll ping you tmr or whenever i do it

[lavish apex]

it took me like 20 hours of dedicated attempts

nothing else comes close

[ruby agate]

alr

[tropic swan]

For me, i think celeste farewell and like anything past the first area in elden ring is harder

[plucky delta]

I can't download clips to send here T^T unfortunately the only way I can show my gameplay is through Livestream that may or may not end up 3-5 hours longs

[light swan]

believe it or not, i dash and then attack after my dash attack

[lavish apex]

i said me personally

i dropped celeste after the first ending and mostly cheesed the hell out of elden ring

[tropic swan]

Sorry i didn't mean to say you were wrong i was just giving my experience
My bad

[proven sky]

Probably while still holding dash?

[lavish apex]

i would say elden ring being so openly cheesable is a point against that though

[light swan]

dash > attack while sprinting > dash again > attack while sprinting

[tropic swan]

Farewell is a massive difficulty spike compared to anything else in celeste I think

[proven sky]

Like that

[lavish apex]

unless you mean specifically like. some hitless bosses with a melee only build in that game

in which case i mean yeah probably, i've heard a lot of horror stories about the last dlc boss at least

[tropic swan]

As for elden ring, i played mostly without guides or anything like that
So i guess that made my experiences with bosses a lot more pure

[lavish apex]

radabsrad meaning hitless
for her
btw

[patent heath]

Nice edit.

[light swan]

the hardest thing i’ve ever done is hard mode ropl

2nd place is hard mode dorrick

[lavish apex]

not just the fight in general although i would also say she's probably the most difficult boss in any game i've played too

[tropic swan]

I wasn't using projectiles, for most of my playthrough i was using a sword and shield build so i could parry or a katana build for stance break

[tropic swan]

What's ropl?

[lavish apex]

xenoblade enemy

[light swan]

a bigass lizard

[lavish apex]

i think he's joking

[tropic swan]

I do think radabsrad is a lot easier if you get a good pattern, especially in the 2nd phase
It can trivialize the entire fight if you're lucky enough

[tropic swan]

I see

[light swan]

hardest thing i’ve done in hk is either atuned absrad or pv+nkg radiant dreamshield only

[lavish apex]

like i said like 2 days ago it's hard to judge difficulty in elden ring because you can outlevel pretty much every piece of content

[tropic swan]

Why would you do that to yourself..

[lavish apex]

and there are a lot of loadouts that will make the game much easier

[light swan]

dreamshield is my favorite charm

[toxic vigil]

what

the ending

[tropic swan]

Personally, the magic or ranged builds either felt too boring or far too complex for me to want to touch them

[tropic swan]

That's an opinion i haven't heard before

[toxic vigil]

died and killed karmelita at the same time

[tacit relic]

This is crazy.

Can I fight second sentinel in act 3.

[light swan]

moment

[tropic swan]

Imagine this on steel soul...

[tacit relic]

I want to fight him real bad.

[tropic swan]

Yes, I believe

[toxic vigil]

yeah but this time in a memory ( it counted )

[tacit relic]

I mean 3.

[tropic swan]

Honestly, he cooked you

[light swan]

i will stand by that for the rest of my life

[tacit relic]

Sorry I accidentally pressed 2.

[tropic swan]

Yes

[tacit relic]

Tell me about it.

[tropic swan]

I get the appeal, but I personally don't like it
I think most people don't

[light swan]

well. dash master comes close but will never surpass dreamshield

[tropic swan]

I don't think anything will change
It'll still be a quest you can take at songclave

[lavish apex]

i think i will try to beat all of silksong's bosses on the hitless difficulty when the inevitable boss rush dlc gets here

[rose forge]

Conversion into HK-Discussion is crazy

[tacit relic]

I have taken all sorts of quests...

My boards are mostly empty.

[lavish apex]

without red tools

[toxic vigil]

you need to see sentinel fight twice

[tropic swan]

I think to make it appear, you need to run into the sentinel a set amount of times in the citadel

[tacit relic]

Where is it?

[rose forge]

Falso, it just happens

[tacit relic]

Can you mark the map for me please?

[rose forge]

It literally just happens

[tropic swan]

Oh, I apologize

[tacit relic]

Oh...

[toxic vigil]

have you thought of wingmolds

[rose forge]

Continue the game and it will DEFINETLY be there

[tacit relic]

I'll look into the wiki.

[rose forge]

If not then just continue continue more

It will appear eventually and its only by simply progressing through the game

im so sure

[light swan]

nope i just remembered them but bilewater bombs on top

[toxic vigil]

they could be interesting as a pogoable object that damages you if you don't hit it i guess

[tropic swan]

People in chat, what are your favorite tools of each type in silksong?

[tacit relic]

Cogfly.

Silkshot.

[light swan]

sawtooth circlet weaver silkshot and… barbed bracelet or silkspeed anklets

[tacit relic]

Circlet.

[tacit relic]

I'd use everything you just said except barbed bracelet.

[tropic swan]

I see

[tacit relic]

4 damage is crazy.

[light swan]

the better you get the more bracelet becomes natural

[tropic swan]

Which silkshot?

[light swan]

i feel naked without barbed bracelet, as if i cant die

[tacit relic]

The one from mount fay.

[toxic vigil]

longclaw weaver silkshot and dice probably

[tropic swan]

I see

[tacit relic]

I probably can't get the architect one.

Since she's probably dead in act 3.

[light swan]

nope

[tropic swan]

I hadn't expected so many people to say silkshot

[rose forge]

unless you dont buy evreything

[toxic vigil]

nope
she dies only if you buy everything and repair the silkshot

rail gun go brr

[patent heath]

What'd you guys say was the best moment to witness in SS?

[rose forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1457283804526809161/1486088701699162283/8UWakp.gif

[tropic swan]

The slab eacape

[light swan]

entering bilewater, dying at groal, respawning at styx bench, accidentally stumbling upon the mist

[patent heath]

Getting to be the boss for once felt nice.
Red Maiden being just a remix of Hornet's theme from HK also is nice.

[tropic swan]

That, or discovering there is an act 3

[graceful oyster]

I think the only main story event or whatever that I like as much/more than events in other games is Red Memory

And even then it's just nostalgia

[patent heath]

That's funny.

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shakra-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-poshanka-gif-13569590462274981095

[tropic swan]

I agree
I also really enjoy that entire sequence of having to collect the keys

[light swan]

i’ve had a friend compare red memory to spoiler sequence in omori

which is fucking crazy

esp since hes an omori glazer

[patent heath]

Probably my favourite moment is either the dive into LL's arena or the Architect's Melody scene.

[light swan]

bilewater in general is the best experience i’ve had with both games

[patent heath]

Bilewater is a nice area, my fifth favourite in the game.

[tacit relic]

I hate those voided teleporting bugs in putrified ducts.

[light swan]

man there’s so many things in silksong i wish were possible

i’ve been spoiled too much by witch crest

[tropic swan]

My enjoyment also spiked up the moment after i unlocked swift step for the first time

[toxic vigil]

i went all the way through the whispering vaults entrance to the wardenfly and got sent to the slab

without the bellway bench

[tropic swan]

There's a wardenfly in the vaults?

[patent heath]

This is soooooo real.
Like, sprinting is by far the best thing they've added to this game.

[toxic vigil]

in bilewater

[tropic swan]

Oh
I see

[graceful oyster]

I can't pick a favorite region in 9S because they're all so cool

[tropic swan]

I know
That single ability is half of the reason why silksong is my favorite game of all time

[light swan]

i wish warding bind was usable on more bosses
i wish rdac chains were more usable on more bosses
i wish witch pogo could be cancelled just like dash attack
i wish witch swapped a red tool for a yellow tool
i wish witch was the only crest that could spogo

[light swan]

area ourside the fucks for me, or the area outside chicken

although 9s world was never it’s strong suit for me

[tropic swan]

What's spogo?

[light swan]

it had the blasphemous 1 problem where every enemy was way too involved i think? maybe i was just bad

[toxic vigil]

spogo is very cool :D

[graceful oyster]

I just like the theming and aesthetic

The environmental purpose

[patent heath]

Sprint alone made the game better than HK for me as well. I genuinely didn't care about how bad anything else could be. Sprint alone carried.
As for being my favourite game of all time, that's attributed to Sprint and Clawline.

[toxic vigil]

@light swan what crest even is " meta "

[light swan]

yea i love that

[tropic swan]

I agree with you so much

[light swan]

double jumping a frame before witch pogoing so that the witch pogo can pull sawtooth circlet inside the enemy

[light swan]

wtf does this even mean, every crest is meta

[graceful oyster]

Also I'm listening to chicken area's music and it's so good

[light swan]

thats the best part about 9s world it’s so good

[tropic swan]

I see
Sawtooth tech is so cool

[orchid spruce]

wtf is even chicken, guys, i've played nine sols for almost 6 months

[light swan]

||jiequan sounds like chicken|| nine sols spoilers

[graceful oyster]

Oh

[patent heath]

Silksong honestly had some incredible moments. I mean, if I compare HK and SS, the only really incredible one I can think of in HK is the Birthplace Cutscene and Dream No More.
In Silksong, there's the Architect Melody scene, the scene where we play the Threefold Melody, the dive into LL's arena, Abyss escape and Sister Of The Void.

[toxic vigil]

you said somenthing that witch is not meta or somenthing ( that witch is not good )

[light swan]

this is more witch tech rather than sawtooth tech but yea

[orchid spruce]

no he does not

[graceful oyster]

I thought chicken was the Sol that looked like a chicken

[light swan]

well everything is situational but it’s usually worse than others

[light swan]

thats valid but that just means the spoilerfree name does its job

[orchid spruce]

everywhere i look requires ||a double jump|| (blasphemous 2)

i just can't find the next key progression, lord help me

[light swan]

by that standard ig shaman beast and hunter are meta

[light swan]

down!

[hybrid flare]

there is one btw

[light swan]

ok gn my friends

[orchid spruce]

i can't find anything

gn

[hybrid flare]

where you at rn

[toxic vigil]

Then again yeah, i guess who cares if a " bad " ( wanderer ) crest can kill karmelita in 20 seconds

[tropic swan]

If you all could make your perfect crest, combining elements of each to make your ideal, what would it be?
For me, I'd have the hunter slashes and pogo with the wanderer needle strike, the beast bind, and 1 yellow tool, 2 blue tools and 2 skill slots

[hybrid flare]

yk each weapon's also a progression tool?

[orchid spruce]

||i defeated all three guardians and ascended to the upper then got told to go down|| (blasphemous 2)

[hybrid flare]

Hunter w 2 yellow slots and 4 blue slots

[patent heath]

Hunter probably is the most meta. People have gotten very used to its pogo, its dash attack is very good (probably second only to Witch), and its Needle Strike is also great.

[hybrid flare]

what area

[tropic swan]

4 blue slots sounds like a power trip

[patent heath]

And also it had focus.

[pale falcon]

|| I just realised I almost finished the game with level 0 Needle, I'm going to upgrade it today thought because High Halls enemy rush really screws me over (I once reached the final big guy thought) ||

[tropic swan]

But I suppose witch players are used to that...

[hybrid flare]

fuck it actually wanderer with focus imagine that

[orchid spruce]

I don't know, a little bit of everything. Maybe I'll send the map?

[hybrid flare]

or beast with focus and hunter pogo

[hybrid flare]

Alr do it

[graceful oyster]

I think aesthetically chicken's area is my favorite, gameplay wise I really liked red yoda's region, and, uh, I guess environmentally I like right side city of tears region the best

[toxic vigil]

hunter focus + wanderer hit boxes and attack speed + witch's multistaged attacks and bind

[orchid spruce]

humoungous blasphemous 2 spoilers

[hybrid flare]

Hunter focus, wanderer hit speed, shaman range

[tropic swan]

So, wanderer with multihits and nuke basically?

[graceful oyster]

Oh but Fudie gets a gold star for being traumatizing with her whole portion

[toxic vigil]

and spogo

[hybrid flare]

oh man i dont remember much uh

[graceful oyster]

I thought about that crap for a whole day after it happened

[tropic swan]

I see

[toxic vigil]

and like
hunter tool slots

[lavish apex]

do you want to know which area you should be going to?

[orchid spruce]

yes please

[hybrid flare]

try exploring the blue area down there

[tropic swan]

What would your build look like?

[lavish apex]

||mother of mothers||

[orchid spruce]

yes, i totally remember area names, hahaha

can you tell me which color it is

[hybrid flare]

that crumbling cathedral area

underground

[orchid spruce]

i'm clueless

[lavish apex]

actually hold on

[toxic vigil]

uh
cross stitch, circlet, claw mirrors, injector band, belt, dice, satchel, flintslate and some 2nd red tool

[tropic swan]

Love cross stitch
But why satchel?

[lavish apex]

ok what you actually want to do is poke around in ||profundo lamento, the area where you get walljump||

[toxic vigil]

its free more tools

[dense veldt]

lol i took a sticker from here and used it as pfp😂😂😂

[lavish apex]

like basically the first thing you do

[orchid spruce]

uhm, sorry, i don't know area names

[tropic swan]

Oh, that's the steel soul one
I get it confused with the other one

Sorry

[lavish apex]

yes which is why i gave you other associations that you should know

[orchid spruce]

also, i don't remember where i got it

[lavish apex]

||the one directly below the town||

[orchid spruce]

i think i did everything i could there

[lavish apex]

nooooo you didn't

[graceful oyster]

[lavish apex]

do you not see that gap in the map?

[orchid spruce]

they seem to require abilities i have yet to obtain

[orchid spruce]

[graceful oyster]

Unironically I chucked at this stupid emoji

It's so stupid

[hybrid flare]

everyone in nine sols is DEAD

[orchid locust]

[hybrid flare]

so this is how pantheons are gonna be ruined

[lavish apex]

right here my friend

[hybrid flare]

if people are already doing shit like this i cant imagine what other techs will be developed further

[toxic vigil]

[orchid spruce]

oh my gawd

[toxic vigil]

can't wait for 8 damage with bracelet

[orchid spruce]

thanks so much

[lavish apex]

all good for now?

[orchid spruce]

there's something i can go to, i'm happy

i've been helplessly walking over all the areas, i walked every area like twice at least atp

[lavish apex]

glad to help

[hybrid flare]

blaslopous 2

[short trout]

Uh

Anyone know why the custom crests builder mod isn't working for me? I set up everything just fine but the only thing that I can actually change is the bind. Changing anything else does nothing

[wide mango]

Blasphemous jumpscare

After playing the second game with dlc on release I went back yesterday to get that one boring achievement that needs a second run and cheated in the bricked one to finally get all

[hybrid flare]

why does new game+ always suck

every game i've played's ng+ sucks

Well.. almost actually

[wide mango]

They made life orbs in blasphemous 2 again and then treated life orbs like a health bar so I stopped playing ng+ in that game

[hybrid flare]

I think blasphemous 1 and blasphemous 2 do have a good ng+

[wide mango]

Blasphemous 1 ng was fun tho I did all 3

[hybrid flare]

blasphemous 1 has the challenges and some banger bosses

[lavish apex]

i wish silksong had ng+

[tacit relic]

Second Sentinel found.

[tacit relic]

I wish I could play after getting rid of the void.

[wide mango]

The second game is very good but making it more linear Metroidvania-like traded in some of the charm the og had I think

[strange knot]

Same

[graceful oyster]

Oh uh @orchid spruce so I assume I have passed a point of no return.
I am missing one ||Jade and 2 skills (I have 2 skill points and need 6 but it says I'm at "max level"???||
Are those things obtainable for me?

[lavish apex]

blasphemous 2 isn't super linear

[wide mango]

Find fruit

[hybrid flare]

there are a few things that are available at that point

[dense veldt]

[lavish apex]

at least the first chunk of the game isn't

[graceful oyster]

I thought that might be the solution

[strange knot]

There also should be a way to skip every cutscene. Like talking to npcs etc

[hybrid flare]

Yeah starter weapons define where you go first

like thats neat

[wide mango]

Always check ur map for stuff

[orchid spruce]

||Tao fruit. Also, don't worry, after defeating Eggnog, you'll be allowed to go back to before the point of no return to do that and|| ||get the other ending|| NINE SOLS SPOILERS

[wide mango]

Also the 3d printer and shop guy who’s name I forgot if you miss a jade

[hybrid flare]

you can also gain xp by farming enemies apparently

[graceful oyster]

I am missing what I assume to be the ||Ying counterpart of the Yang mob quell Jade||

[wide mango]

That should be 3d printer? I think?

[hybrid flare]

why are you trying to 100% the game before beating it for the 1st time

[graceful oyster]

Oh lovely! Great! That's excellent

[orchid spruce]

[graceful oyster]

Uh, I like to play thoroughly. I'm not though. I'm currently attempting the final boss, those were just curiosities I had

[hybrid flare]

ah

[wide mango]

I’m curious which ending are you doing

[graceful oyster]

I don't know how to differentiate and I don't want to

[dense veldt]

AMOGUS

[graceful oyster]

I assume I'm doing the normal one

[wide mango]

I see

Well good luck

[lavish apex]

i hope tgk makes more cool shit

[wide mango]

It’s a pretty good fight

[lavish apex]

it seems like blasphemous 2 wasn't terribly successful

at least not in comparison to the first one

financially, i mean

[wide mango]

I wonder if we’ll get a second dlc or not

[graceful oyster]

The ||talisman move|| doesn't just do 3/4 of my healthbar worth of damage, but it's also such an aura farming move that I die shortly afterwards from pure emotional damage

[potent vessel]

💔

[orchid spruce]

probably because blasphemous 1 sucked and no one thought 2 would be good not biased against blasphemous 1 or anything

[potent vessel]

you seem biased

[lavish apex]

1 has a substantial fanbase

[wide mango]

This is the way. You die from peak that’s how good the game is

[strange knot]

Yeah ||talisman|| is peak it’s so cool

[orchid spruce]

i honestly think it's because of the price tag

quite expensive for an indie game

[graceful oyster]

Even before I ever played 9S I remember asking Illusion what that move was because it was so cool to me

[orchid spruce]

i only bought it on 66% sale

[lavish apex]

it goes on sale pretty often

[dense veldt]

[lavish apex]

and it's also the same as nine sols

[orchid spruce]

it's not for me??

[wide mango]

I wonder if we’ll get a second blasphemous 2 dlc

[lavish apex]

and like the hades games

[orchid spruce]

huh?? regional pricing??

[lavish apex]

it's 30 usd

[orchid spruce]

blasphemous is twice the price of nine sols for me

region pricing by steam overlord

[graceful oyster]

Yeah here this is where I asked Illu what that move was because I had no idea what a ||talisman|| was

[lavish apex]

this would be cool

[potent vessel]

its £20 for me, nine sols is £25

[orchid spruce]

steam overlord, why do you not want me to play blasphemous

(i know it's the dev's decision not steam's)

[wide mango]

Wild decision

Been forever since I got blasphemous so I don’t remember the price

[lavish apex]

i know 2 is $30 usd on the eshop

and ps

[graceful oyster]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4DyF62TZMaOrpzof1FviMY?si=y5H-DL-gTieeVRPdY0lSPg
This track is drastically underrated looking at the listening rates on Spotify

[lavish apex]

which
like i said
same as nine sols

[orchid spruce]

it's different for regions, it seems

maybe they weren't generous enough about regional pricing for third world countries and made it less accessible

[wide mango]

Death trap and crossing blades are probably my favorites

[orchid spruce]

at its original price tag, i'd have to work my part-time job a whole week to afford it

[graceful oyster]

Crossing Blades seems to be a fan favorite yeah. Funnily enough I had just started it.

[orchid spruce]

[wide mango]

Credits theme is also incredibly good

But make sure not to listen to that yet

[graceful oyster]

I wouldn't know

[orchid spruce]

Shush

[queen acorn]

hehehehe

[wide mango]

Gotta lock in and beat her first

[queen acorn]

i got ass rank in deltarune

[graceful oyster]

Oh what's the deal with the record in ||Ji's room||

Why are there like, normal people in it

[lavish apex]

where tf do you live

[orchid spruce]

||backers||

[orchid spruce]

third world country in asia

[graceful oyster]

I assumed so but there's also ingame stuff in there

[orchid spruce]

i honestly also have no idea what it means

[wide mango]

Backers larping

[lavish apex]

that sounds super rough

[graceful oyster]

I see

Man the ||boundless repository|| was so fun

[orchid spruce]

[graceful oyster]

One of my favorite moments in the whole game

Oh also the transition after beating claw

[orchid spruce]

Other elements except combat & story didn't exactly blow me away but they were very rarely annoying or unenjoyable

[wide mango]

Oh yeah that’s sick

[orchid spruce]

🔥

[wide mango]

I like how he has a specific alert for when yi shows up

[graceful oyster]

Lmao

[orchid spruce]

lmao true

[graceful oyster]

[orchid spruce]

||the demo testing to show us the moves was pretty cool too||

[graceful oyster]

Oh BIG 9SOLS SPOILERS ||I think it's insane that Yi is the one who proposed the idea of apeman farming. WHAT a twist.||

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/soggy-cat-soggy-cat-cat-meme-silly-gif-1947576969338905744

[strange knot]

Chat why isn’t there a 0sols(none sols)?

[orchid spruce]

||Oh my, you'll appreciate it more when you play again, it's been there from the start||

[graceful oyster]

I like how you say "when" as if it's guaranteed (it is)

[orchid spruce]

||Remember the statue in the village, in Apeman Facility, in front of Pavillion? It's literally Yi's statue. He's responsible for this area.||

[graceful oyster]

[orchid spruce]

The writing makes so much more sense on a second playthrough

[strange knot]

I wanr to click spoilers so bad

[orchid spruce]

Don't, it's huge Nine Sols spoiler

[graceful oyster]

They're pretty big please don't

[orchid spruce]

Like VERY HUGE, do not

[rough anvil]

I also wanna but i know they'll spoil me

This is not nine sols discussion guys

[lavish apex]

i feel like incidentally i already know a lot about this game

[orchid spruce]

you gotta play before even more spoilers ruin it for you

[graceful oyster]

Also I (heavy spoilers again) ||called it that the Fusang formed a dyson sphere sorta thing||

[lavish apex]

like pretty much my first impression was the final boss lol

[rough anvil]

Guys plss plss off topic plss i pray the spoilers look juicy but i dont wanna

[lavish apex]

from a youtube recommendation

[graceful oyster]

Yeah same, it's the reason I played the game though so I don't care

It's better to be spoiled on the final boss and play the game than to not have seen it but never play

[lavish apex]

similarly i knew what mio's final boss was before i ever played it

[orchid spruce]

rip

(painful cry)

[graceful oyster]

I habitually clicked on #mio-spoilers because there was an unread in there and got spoiled on the 2nd final boss

[wide mango]

The game looked cool and I was really stubborn to not pay more than 20 bucks and then I got it on sale when it finally dropped to like 18 bucks

[graceful oyster]

My heart sank and I tried to forget

I did not

[wide mango]

In hindsight I would’ve payed full price but I did buy the art book

[orchid spruce]

Same

[lavish apex]

i clicked a random tagged video from illusion for the first one

[orchid spruce]

Getting spoiled on it made me expect so much more

[wide mango]

What’s mio

[orchid spruce]

which made me disappointed to say the least

[graceful oyster]

Incredible metroidvania about space and robots

[lavish apex]

a really good metroidvania that came out in january

[wide mango]

Oh interesting

[orchid spruce]

Had I not know what it was, I'd not have such huge expectations for the finale

So it's an unfortunate series of events

[graceful oyster]

Has the best exploration and level design of any mvania I've ever seen

[wide mango]

Oh sick artstyle

[graceful oyster]

Combat is fun but it's not the strong suit

[wide mango]

Putting that on my wishlist

[graceful oyster]

Story is pretty great

[orchid spruce]

i can vouch for this

[lavish apex]

if it goes on sale on switch soon (apparently it should, seems like they happen every few months and the last one was in january)

[orchid spruce]

blows silksong and hollow knight out of the water and flippyflops like a dead fish

[exotic cedar]

I hate youtube recommendations

I got spoiled on one of ultrakills bosses because of it

[graceful oyster]

Ultrakill

[orchid spruce]

never tell google overlord what games you play

[wide mango]

hhhh I need to buy a switch 2 I still haven’t

[orchid spruce]

i went out of my way to avoid Youtube as much as possible while playing nine sols

[graceful oyster]

I don't watch YouTube so I'm safe from the spoiler soup

[orchid spruce]

because Google recognized I was playing Nine Sols

[lavish apex]

honestly it's kind of a scam

[orchid spruce]

[wide mango]

But it’s not that pressing so I’ve been hoping to wait until there’s one with some nice design for some game

[graceful oyster]

[lavish apex]

but it is a lot better than how it started out after one of the recent updates if you like playing in handheld

[wide mango]

But I mean the Mario kart deal isn’t that bad

[graceful oyster]

Why did Yi make this face

[orchid spruce]

you forgot?

[graceful oyster]

No I know why it's just so funny

[graceful oyster]

He looks so over it

[wide mango]

Which cutscene is that

[graceful oyster]

Oh haha it's already a sticker lol

[orchid spruce]

major nine sols spoiler ||fuxi & nuwa||

[lavish apex]

does this game actually have fucks in it

like the word
not sex

[wide mango]

Ohh I see

[orchid spruce]

it's a meme

edited over the actual in-game image

[lavish apex]

sad

[wide mango]

I don’t think the game has fuck in it

[graceful oyster]

There is a shit but that's it I think

[orchid spruce]

i want to send a sticker but it's kind of big spoilery

[exotic cedar]

This emoji is a huge spoiler when yi turns into stupid yi

[orchid spruce]

true...

[strange knot]

True now I don’t want to play nine sols you spoiled everything for me

[graceful oyster]

Guys I think Yi is my favorite video game protagonist

He's such an interesting character

[wide mango]

I like jietong a lot

[orchid spruce]

||JIETONG||

[strange knot]

Yi is probably second or third for me. Maybe will go up when play more of 9s first is Niko oneshot

[lavish apex]

my favorite protagonist is probably 9s

[orchid spruce]

you haven't even played 9s

[lavish apex]

the character named 9s from nier automata

[orchid spruce]

lmaooo

[lavish apex]

not the abbreviation of nine sols

[wide mango]

Pffff

[orchid spruce]

you got me, devil

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/phantom-silksong-hollow-they-them-gif-9035642985040867451

[graceful oyster]

Artemis II launch btw

[orchid spruce]

also, grynne, there's a manga online about ||Lear backstory|| if you wanna (nine sols)

[graceful oyster]

I have seen the mangas and I might check them out honestly

[orchid spruce]

it's canon

[lavish apex]

this is genuinely true and not just a contextually relevant wordplay gag

[graceful oyster]

Even better

[wide mango]

There are 2 manga even

[potent vessel]

wheres it going 😱

[lavish apex]

it's either him or zagreus i think

[wide mango]

||Chien|| and Lear

[graceful oyster]

Cheese planet

[potent vessel]

yooo

[wide mango]

Oh and didn’t the arg have something idr

[twin summit]

The moon??!!!

[orchid spruce]

I bet most players don't even know ||Chien|| in their first playthrough

[wide mango]

I mean they’ll find the log and that’s about it

Most of her story is the manga

But it’s way better to do the ingame stuff and then read it

[orchid spruce]

robbed of the ||Chien|| bossfight 💔

[orchid spruce]

big spoiler sticker

please delete

[graceful oyster]

I am the indie game pioneer in my friend group and I can't wait for people to latch onto 9S now that they've seen me play and praise it

Mio spread like a plague and like 10 people I know played it

[orchid spruce]

does nine sols live up to mio for you

[graceful oyster]

Big time

[orchid spruce]

fr?

[graceful oyster]

I adore the story and character interactions

And the combat is fun

And the aesthetic is amazing

[copper hedge]

tfw you get to witness a moon launch in your lifetime like how the boomers did back in the 60s

[graceful oyster]

All of the NPC interactions in ||four seasons|| warm my heart greatly

[orchid spruce]

any chance it could surpass mio for you

[lavish apex]

one thing that does interest me more about nine sols is the concept of an actually good story that is more directly told and omnipresent in a metroidvania

most of the ones i've played it's either very sparse or buried in lore

[orchid locust]

i love the story and characters in nine sols but i'm incorrigibly an exploration > combat kinda guy and nine sols exploration is lowk kinda mid 💀

[graceful oyster]

There's so much story they went and wrote mangas to fill in the blanks lol

[lavish apex]

for the most part

[orchid spruce]

highkey mid

[graceful oyster]

It is and that's a valid stance

[orchid spruce]

if you come to 9s expecting real metroidvania exploration, you'll be bigtime disappointed

[lavish apex]

like i think silksong, hk, and mio all have good story moments. blasphemous 1 too probably

[graceful oyster]

And I saw a review mentioning that so my expectations were well set

[orchid spruce]

9s is combat and story. other things are like tiny sparkles of flavors

[lavish apex]

but
it still kinda feels like it takes a bit of a back seat in those games and much of the detail is kinda cryptic

[graceful oyster]

Yeah the story is in your face in 9S

But there's still stuff you gotta pick up

[graceful cairn]

ive realized

[graceful oyster]

Blanks to fill

[neat python]

Is the sea of silk out yet

[graceful oyster]

Tomorrow

[neat python]

Are u sure

[orchid locust]

i mean same here my friend played it before me and mentioned it

[neat python]

Because someone said tomorrow 3 days ago😂

[exotic cedar]

I played nine sols because of this server

[graceful oyster]

Also I just finished Mio so I had my exploration fill

[graceful oyster]

Same, also Mio

[neat python]

Mio and 9 souls suck

[earnest drift]

why

[exotic cedar]

souls

[neat python]

Rip off hollow knight

[exotic cedar]

son...

[graceful oyster]

But Nine Sols is different because I saw it when it released in 2024 and tossed it aside on the grounds of looking like a HK clone

Boy was I missing out

[earnest drift]

nine sols isn't good enough to be a ripoff of hk lay off

[graceful oyster]

Never making that mistake again

[earnest drift]

wait

i mean it's not really a metroidvania

[lavish apex]

least obvious ragebait

[earnest drift]

no i misphrased it

[graceful oyster]

Genuinely I haven't seen any pleasant conversation come from lace here, I might just push the red button atp

[earnest drift]

i meant that it's not really a metroidvania

[orchid spruce]

there is backtracking but it's pretty self-contained. it's still a metroidvania, just not as backtracking-focused

[graceful oyster]

There's like one required backtrack per region

[earnest drift]

it's not comparable to hollow knight in that sense

[orchid spruce]

yes

[exotic cedar]

This block button aint enough i want him DEAD 😭 /j

[lavish apex]

so would it be more action platformer then?

[orchid spruce]

but it's not quite as intensive compared to other metroidvanias, but that's not necessarily a weakness

[neat python]

Slay the princess and scarlet hollow suck

[graceful oyster]

That is how it is advertised

[earnest drift]

yikes gonna call the mods for this one

[earnest drift]

wtf is scarlet hollow

[graceful oyster]

The fan tags call it an mvania but it's misleading

[cerulean sable]

Hornet shouldve murked Kratt on spot

[orchid spruce]

it really is a metroidvania, just not as metroidvania as other metroidvanias

[exotic cedar]

Kratt is the most durable character in silksong

[graceful oyster]

Eh

[neat python]

Idk wrinkled towel is in a server to do with them

[graceful oyster]

I'll be referring to it as an action platformer

[brave geyser]

Y'all

What's the code to unlock steel soul

[graceful oyster]

Konami

[rough anvil]

123

[brave geyser]

You won't believe what happened

[neat python]

38542

[brave geyser]

And what's that

[graceful oyster]

Get a load of this guy

[lavish apex]

up up down down left right

[brave geyser]

The code i mean

[neat python]

Up down left up up left down right

[brave geyser]

Y'all won't believe what happened this time around

[lavish apex]

somebody is feeling like being an annoying pissant today huh

[brave geyser]

I lost my files a third time.

[exotic cedar]

Rip

[earnest drift]

how

[graceful oyster]

Curious

[brave geyser]

Updating my phone

[graceful oyster]

Maybe just maybe if

Perhaps

Possibly

[orchid spruce]

perchance

[lavish apex]

nvm that's not the full thing

just look it up

[brave geyser]

I genuinely should've seen this shit coming
The first time i updated my phone it let me play undertale YELLOW at 150% speed 😭

[graceful oyster]

Fudie's whole segment is engrained in my mind why was that so powerful holy cow

[neat python]

Grynne im gonna summon some giant Alaskan mosquitos to suck all your blood and die you

[brave geyser]

SPECIFICALLY undertale yellow

[lavish apex]

what do you mean somebody made an android port of undertale yellow

[graceful oyster]

Okay, got anything that I don't already deal with?

[brave geyser]

Oh that was made like a long time ago
AdriancarXBETA i think?

There's another port but it's so unbelievably ass

[orchid spruce]

bye friends

[graceful oyster]

Tah tah

[orchid spruce]

i have to go to j*b to get money to buy even more slop to waste my time on

[graceful oyster]

Yaaay

[lavish apex]

it's not wasting your time if you truly enjoy it

[graceful oyster]

I like job, job means I don't have to feel bad about buying slop to enjoy my time with

[orchid spruce]

so true

[graceful oyster]

Job also lets me take nice pictures of Alaska

But that's unrelated

[lavish apex]

fucked up winter hell state

[graceful oyster]

It's literally boiling outside

(we got to 40⁰F today)

[lavish apex]

😭

[graceful oyster]

I have to wear shorts and thin shirts to keep myself from sweating to death

[lavish apex]

yeah i mean you are adapted to arctic weather that makes sense

[graceful oyster]

It's true

I didn't even realize this winter was record lows, I just kinda rolled with it day by day and it was nice

[lavish apex]

40 is almost t shirt weather for me too but i have a higher cold tolerance than most people around here

i start dying around 85

[graceful oyster]

75-ish

I can scarcely be comfortable in room temperature

Gotta be chilly

Anyway check this out

Pretty

[graceful cairn]

im already dead by 80

idk how i used to put up with 120° in my prime

[lavish apex]

i could just not

[graceful oyster]

I used to live in SoCal

[lavish apex]

like ever

[graceful oyster]

That's like 90 as a standard

I don't know how I did it

[lavish apex]

anything above 100 is complete nightmare territory for me

[graceful oyster]

My room is completely dark so I can stare at the stars out my window and my computer just randomly turned on

Ghosts are real

[orchid locust]

when does the snow usually melt up there

[lavish apex]

does it even?

[graceful oyster]

Oh, you know... May... June....
...
Never...

[lavish apex]

i know there are parts of alaska that are buried under like
several feet of snow
year round

[graceful oyster]

Anywhere in the mountains for sure

[orchid locust]

hm i thought that was only like mountains and the tippy top bits like prudhoe bay or wherever

[graceful oyster]

Definitely up a few degrees past the circle

[graceful oyster]

Pretty much

Stuff in the south like Juneau, Yakutat, Kodiak, and the Pribilofs may as well be rainforests

Lush green in the summers with substantial rainfall

Time to give eggnog some runs before bed

What an incredible fight that I suck at

[orchid locust]

i've been on the gong for like 4 hours over the last few days i just got to ||phase 3|| last night

[graceful oyster]

Congrats

I have made it a couple moves into 2

[lavish apex]

damn how hard is this fight

[errant sleet]

In my opinion the original Holwknight map has a better design then the map of silksong.

[orchid locust]

✅

i like most other things about silksong better but hk's map is more fun

[graceful oyster]

Well.
No silksong boss took me much longer than half an hour and I didn't really use red tools.

This boss has taken me 1.5 hours to breach phase 2

It's going to be a while

And the best part is it's completely fair

[strange knot]

First 9s boss is harder than any sk boss for me lmao

Even tho 2 others I fought are easier than ll and Karm

[ruby agate]

we need more great conchfly fans in this world

[exotic cedar]

Yeah the first boss was so hard to me

[graceful oyster]

I call GenY the "hornet equivalent" and he blows Hornet out of the water

Immensely great fight

[lavish apex]

concerning

[pale falcon]

Chat was I actually supposed to get wings before || High Halls? ||

[strange knot]

Not really, you can get them if you want

[pale falcon]

The point is that I already got there without them

[strange knot]

Pretty sure I got there without wings got tired of trying and went for them

[pale falcon]

I was close to finishing it too but it's almost impossible with level 0 Needle so I gotta upgrade it

[exotic cedar]

Damn the first needle upgrade is free

[strange knot]

Why tf do you have level 0 needle at that point

[exotic cedar]

You should check that out

[pale falcon]

I upgraded it yesterday but didn't had time to go to High Halls again

[pale falcon]

I'm just build different

My plan is basically to attempt High Halls again since I got the upgrade and then do everything that's missable in act 3 before facing Da Moon

[graceful oyster]

Finally! After all this time! I made it past the first 2 moves in phase 2!

and dealt close to no damage

[elfin pumice]

I am a goose

[pale falcon]

Which Boss are you fighting? (dw you won't spoil anything for me I know about all bosses)

[lavish apex]

not silksong

[pale falcon]

Ah sry

[graceful oyster]

Nine Sols

Wow I must actually be learning the fight, I switched up strategies and was still able to make it pretty far in

[graceful cairn]

what fight

[graceful oyster]

Her

[graceful cairn]

"Her" 😨

[graceful oyster]

Surely you know

[potent vessel]

those who know

[graceful cairn]

unless you mean ||lady ethereal|| no

[graceful oyster]

||Eggnog||

[potent vessel]

😋

[graceful cairn]

i love how ive gotten this boss spoiled a million times from a million different people 🥹

[orchid locust]

||the gong||

[azure patrol]

GRAND MOMMY SILK

[graceful oyster]

I've started to incorporate charged strike into the fight and it feels epic

[graceful cairn]

if nail arts were good

[exotic cedar]

Charged strikes are so good because you can still charge it even if you parry and stuff, it doesn't get interrupted

[graceful oyster]

And unlike in hollow knight I don't have to worry about the up or right buttons so I don't have to be uncomfotable while holding attack

WHAT IS THIS DANG BACKSLASH ATTACK

I mean, ahem, mm.

[kind tide]

Gang i think im cooked 😭

I honked at someone braked at the green light

They drove right to the breakfast joint I was going to. It was the owner.

https://tenor.com/view/cooked-cooked-dog-durag-dog-meme-gif-5452845935712961889

My food 100% gana have spit in it

[graceful oyster]

GAAAAGGGHH I was so close to- yeah. Calm and collected.

[tired flume]

Greetings guys how are you doing?

[earnest drift]

soul master

[cerulean sable]

Pharloom wouldve won if they had air superiority

[chilly mountain]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G_Efyg_W4AAFy9L.gif

[earnest drift]

won against who

citadel vs gms?

[cerulean sable]

The Independent Coalition of the Free Kingdoms of Pharloom

aka the one stated in lore headed by Karak/Karmelita/Green Prince/Groal

GP backed out at the last second

which is why the Citadel was never truely defeated

instead it went on a stalemate

[earnest drift]

how about the slab flies did they join

[cerulean sable]

they are technically part of the citadel

[earnest drift]

but they're enslaved

[cerulean sable]

labelling slab flies is like saying "did the US Coast Guard fight against US Marines" type question

[earnest drift]

what about the wisp thicket cult

[cerulean sable]

they fucked off

theyre an independent but low risk power

[earnest drift]

if green prince and karmelita joined why couldn't nyleth join

[cerulean sable]

Nyleth conceded remember

[earnest drift]

oh

[cerulean sable]

thats why it was half Citadel coded

[earnest drift]

what about lace

[cerulean sable]

Lace is like if JD Trump fought as a knight under Trump desperate for his attention

[earnest drift]

yikes

but she is technically against the citadel

wouldn't the ICotFKoP want to make contact with her?

[cerulean sable]

but it IS a defiance out of want to get attention

she wont because she still has her reasons not to engage with an alliance

she has different priorties that do not align with the ICotFKoP

[earnest drift]

waking up gms

but gms hates the citadel too why doesn't she ally with them

[cerulean sable]

they dont know that

all they know is they have to fight against everything under the flag of pharloom

[earnest drift]

did they try freeing phantom

[tired flume]

Greetings are their any of you here who lost interest in the game?

[earnest drift]

after 200 hours yeah there's not much more to do

just wait until godhome

[graceful cairn]

speedrun

[strange knot]

Kinda, I lost interest for like 2 weeks now playing again

[orchid locust]

so wait who was actually responsible for breaking the treaty of bellhart was it the citadel or the coalition

[strange knot]

Most fun thing in the game if tc weren’t against speedrunning fr

[exotic cedar]

Me

I tried playing it again, but uh it didn't work for me

[graceful cairn]

love going through the ultra linear part of the game till you get dash and cling grip

[potent vessel]

im not even that into speedrunning but i get disappointed when they do patches that specifically target speedrun techs

[strange knot]

And playing on older patches where silver bells and couriers are awful just to use really niche and hard tech

[graceful cairn]

no tool pogos 👿

[sinful escarp]

Ssomeone did the game drifter's cloak less with those

[potent vessel]

ok time to restart my steel soul 😔

i died in wormways yesterday

[strange knot]

They even patched out freaking pimp pogos no one uses them wtf not even Speedrunners

[earnest drift]

should cocoon skips be added to steel soul

[sinful escarp]

gng how do you get a cocoon /lh

[strange knot]

No, you gotta do this

[sinful escarp]

[graceful cairn]

cocoon skips are so much less interesting than hk shade skips

[earnest drift]

add an option to make a cocoon on death

[strange knot]

Truth

[sinful escarp]

then it isnt steel soul anymore 😭

[earnest drift]

because removing cocoon skips from steel soul altogether is a really lazy way of making it harder

[sinful escarp]

chat its lwk time for the last pale oil and then im 100% in steel soul...

[earnest drift]

why not

[sinful escarp]

...because you die

[earnest drift]

just make it so breaking the cocoon doesn't give your money back

[strange knot]

I should do a new steal a soul run with css this time

[earnest drift]

isn't that the point of steel soul

[graceful cairn]

its bait bro

[sinful escarp]

😔

[graceful cairn]

the point of steel soul is to not die actually

[earnest drift]

exactly

[sinful escarp]

chat im so cooked

[strange knot]

WHAT???? NO WAY????

[earnest drift]

but some people do cocoon skips

[sinful escarp]

i have 5 hours to get the last pale oil

[strange knot]

Guys did you know that there is a lace 2 boss fight?

[earnest drift]

and being locked out of it in a gamemode is weird

[strange knot]

That’s crazy right?

[earnest drift]

it would be cool if there was a code you could enter at the start of the game to unlock all movement abilities, that would make speedrunning skips more interesting

[vivid horizon]

Well people who haven't gotten to that point MIGHT find that crazy

[strange knot]

True

[strange knot]

Tbh lace looks like a silksong’s version of hornets fight from the start

[earnest drift]

also i don't understand what's wrong with tool pogos being removed

doesn't that just mean it's more difficult to do skips with them

[vivid horizon]

Idk, looks like phantom mimics it better

But that is still true

[graceful cairn]

why remove them they didnt hurt anything just good tech

[strange knot]

No..?

[graceful cairn]

literally just removing shit people enjoyed for the hell of it

[earnest drift]

but if they're removed then you have to find more clever ways to do skips

[strange knot]

Wdym by that

[earnest drift]

that's the fun part

[minor mist]

why cant i beat lost lace😭

[earnest drift]

you can find a way to do tool pogos even though they're removed

[graceful cairn]

no

[vivid horizon]

Js use cross-stitch smh

[sinful escarp]

spoiler

[minor mist]

oh sorry

[graceful cairn]

spoilers are allowed here

[sinful escarp]

oh

[strange knot]

They patched 2 versions of tool pogos now

[sinful escarp]

nvm them 😭

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[sinful escarp]

my apolocheese

[vivid horizon]

Wasaa

[graceful cairn]

no having fun please

[earnest drift]

can't you find a glitch to turn their pogo hitbox back on or something

[vivid horizon]

Cheescaik 🤤

[strange knot]

Sorry, 3 I forgor about conchcutter pogos

[earnest drift]

that's what speedrunners always do

[strange knot]

Downpatching.

[vivid horizon]

YAY!

[earnest drift]

yeah see

[vivid horizon]

Downpatching!

[earnest drift]

there's nothing wrong with them removing it if speedrunners can still use it

[strange knot]

But. Downpatching means that you don’t have functions from later versions.

[earnest drift]

why would a speedrunner need those

[toxic vigil]

Hello

[earnest drift]

it's a sidegrade, you can have access to the skips again but you lose out on other things

that's good game design, making the patches balanced around each other

[strange knot]

So, for example couriers and silver bells are awful on older patches and those are important for te and ab

[earnest drift]

so speedrunners have to choose which one is worth it for a better time

that's fun

[sinful escarp]

i just got 76 in fles pogo....

[strange knot]

Good game design is to make Speedrunners have a 33% 4 minute timeloss which you can’t control in any way?

[vivid horizon]

Flea bounce?

[sinful escarp]

i say pogo but yee

[earnest drift]

if it's only on one patch then speedrunners can choose a different patch

[strange knot]

No they can’t????

[earnest drift]

is downpatching not a thing

[strange knot]

Speedrunnners need to beat the game as fast as possible and that patch is the fastest

[earnest drift]

then what's the problem

[sinful escarp]

i got 96 in flea dodge

[strange knot]

That patch sucks and has a lot of unnecessary rng segments

[earnest drift]

then don't play that patch

[toxic vigil]

but they have to to get a fast time

[strange knot]

But that’s the fastest patch😭 😭

[sinful escarp]

god PLEASE lets me do flea juggle quickly

[strange knot]

I feel like I’m getting baited

[earnest drift]

then play that patch

[strange knot]

😭

[toxic vigil]

bait

[graceful cairn]

you are

lace is baiting 100% of the time

[earnest drift]

speedrunners want to beat the game as fast as possible on an older patch, yes
and the older patch does some things worse than the newer patch, but those things don't matter because the speedrunner only cares about doing things faster

[neat python]

Older patch = cheating

[earnest drift]

so speedrunners can use the older patch and smart people can use the current patch

[sinful escarp]

FIRST TRY

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[earnest drift]

by the way i have no experience in speedrunning and i have no good knowledge about what i'm talking about

[toxic vigil]

more rng = more runs dead due to rng

[neat python]

Going back to the patch with the purple balls p ogo = cheating

[sinful escarp]

THATS 100% STEEL SOUL

AND 100% IN 30 HOURS

[strange knot]

PEAK

GOAT

[earnest drift]

so they have to choose whether to take the patch that has the potential for a better time, or use the patch that's more consistent but isn't as fast as the other patch's best time

that's good, it gives the player choice

[sinful escarp]

time to get the pin guy