sk-discussion

[light swan]

was the other metroidvania really good

[vivid belfry]

yes it's Nine Sols

[light swan]

the thing about nine sols is that i already played another game with a nearly identical story

lyuckily that other game was really fucking good so that meant nine sols was really fucking good

seems like it had the opposite effect for you tho

[vivid belfry]

I like nine sols better because I had a very clear understanding of Yi's motives and eccentricities and I think MIO's silent protagonist kinda hampers it in this regard

that being said, the final sequence of MIO makes me tear up and it would do so with absolutely zero context

[graceful oyster]

Yi is incredible

[earnest drift]

yi is a furry

[graceful oyster]

Can you shut up

[earnest drift]

ok

[light swan]

i do generally like mios story more but icant explain why when nine sols is so peak

[graceful oyster]

Anything but ragebait please

[light swan]

nine sols is much more character driven ig

and much more story focused

mio hits harder from the world building and subtle lore stuff rather than the plot being in your face about it

its impressive how much character everyone has despite it not really being a nine sols type rpg

[graceful oyster]

I am liking 9S characters substantially more and I'm on the fence about story

[vivid belfry]

I am fundamentally a yap appreciator

[graceful oyster]

9S has SO MUCH background

[lavish apex]

i like mio's ending quite a bit

[vivid belfry]

my pfp checks out

[frosty kelp]

omg steve jobless just joined the nine sols server

[graceful oyster]

Is there one other than RCgames or is that it

[frosty kelp]

I should continue playing but I'm trying to do grappless skips out of boredom 😭

[light swan]

bro...

[frosty kelp]

there's one other than RC games where the best of the best nine sols players resides

but some players there for fun

I'm trying to become part of the best

[graceful oyster]

The speedrunning server?

[exotic dome]

ggs

[lavish apex]

i'm like kinda debating just getting ns at full price

[light swan]

i do definitvely know that i dont understand 9S story as much as i should purely because its been a while and im saving it for when i replay the game

[severe schooner]

I mean it's worth it

[frosty kelp]

tbf if you don't like nine sols combat system it's kinda boring

[light swan]

id probably definitely like nine sols story more than mio after that

[light swan]

? the story is the best part of the game and its the onlyr eason why nine sols is so high on my favorite games liost

[frosty kelp]

I'm a combat guy :3

the story is really good tho

[lavish apex]

the combat looks fun

[severe schooner]

I'd say story is okay but the combat elevates it tu the highest level

[frosty kelp]

||"no more unread messages from penglai" 😭|| HEAVY NINE SOLS SPOILER

[graceful oyster]

Hey can we not say things

If that's from ingame

[opaque sigil]

I found nine sols pretty thoroughly underwhelming mechanically and narratively but whatever

[graceful oyster]

Because I think I know what that means and I better not be right

[frosty kelp]

it's very near the end 😭

[graceful oyster]

I know, I'm not at the end

[severe schooner]

Just have fun playing it and enjoy the final boss

[graceful oyster]

That might have just spoiled something I really don't like

[light swan]

it doesnt really mean that much lol

[graceful oyster]

It better not

[light swan]

meme in the community

[sinful yarrow]

Nvm her angled pogo is just wildly inconsistent controller or not

[light swan]

that happens to take place very late

[graceful oyster]

Okay

[frosty kelp]

nah nothing too big

it's just close to the end and kinda sad but doesn't reveal too much about the story

[lavish apex]

interesting, i've mostly seen people glazing it

[light swan]

dude timmy you dont gotta say more about the topic 😭

[graceful oyster]

It's a love it or hate it thing

[frosty kelp]

if you don't like 9S combat you probably won't enjoy it as much as you should

[graceful oyster]

Right so this isn't helping

[severe schooner]

Yeah that's true, i just played it purely to fight the final boss

[opaque sigil]

it's... fine. Map is forgettable as hell there's a decent boss or two but that's about it

[exotic dome]

not when you get used to it

[frosty kelp]

I've been going for some WRs cus there's a category that's relatively unran and I wanna get wr for it

[graceful oyster]

Almost every single boss I fought has been a blast

[crisp heron]

Sometimes when im hungry i play silksong haha only sometimes

[graceful oyster]

They're super good

[severe schooner]

Ooh that would be nice

[light swan]

theres 2.5 good bosses id say

[frosty kelp]

but I accidentally revealed I was going for it to mr john sols and bro spent 2 attempts and beat my attempt by a minute 🗿

[severe schooner]

I didn't really like the claw, but other than that it was awesome

[severe schooner]

Lmfao, that's so funny

[light swan]

but i can tell i really have different tastes from other people

[vivid belfry]

claw is the worst boss in nine sols and it's still decent

[exotic dome]

i think i'll continue playing 8s tomorrow

[sinful yarrow]

Dude this area is killing me

[sharp slate]

I think it has a few narrative weak points, but over all the themes of the story hit really good, though everyone has their own taste

[sinful yarrow]

Jesus fucking Christ

[frosty kelp]

btw john sols is imsoblind_ you guys should support him he's the best player and I don't want him to quit soon cus all the nine sols fossils who are really good quit 😭

[quiet pasture]

What area?

[rocky jolt]

dawg what is this website

[vivid belfry]

I think I'm different from other people

[exotic dome]

ip grabber

[opaque sigil]

I just didn't really care about any of the characters which makes it not work

[severe schooner]

Is it representing gravity?

[sinful yarrow]

The area near the flea in shellwood

[frosty kelp]

least favourite area in silksong other than putrified piece of ?

[light swan]

i think most nine sols bosses are good, the combat system just is a 6/10 at best, but even then there are a lot of bosses i think are shit which ppl like grynne seem to love

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/blbiP.gif

[severe schooner]

I think every boss is at least 8, but yeah opinions

[frosty kelp]

I absolutely adore every boss expect bird lady and claw machine

[opaque sigil]

I would rather play sekiro
or mio
or pop the lost crown

[severe schooner]

Mio annoyed me so much

[minor plank]

Just Caine and Abel

[frosty kelp]

it's ok people have different opinions

[lavish apex]

sekiro is my favorite metroidvania

[light swan]

same

[exotic dome]

thats crazy, i think ive never played a game where all bosses are at least 8. i should play it

[frosty kelp]

I don't htink it's a metroidvania?

[minor plank]

Iykyk

[vivid belfry]

Nine Sols is in 11th place on my list and I imagine it will stay there

[lavish apex]

(i have never played sekiro)

[graceful oyster]

Claw was so fun though. Worst boss is one of the minibosses like the miner, except you can ||kill the miner with a robot|| so he gets a free pass

[severe schooner]

What are the top 3

[opaque sigil]

the pure parry focus is a bad fit for the mv genre if I want to play a parry game I'm not playing a mv

[vivid belfry]

oh boy here we go

[severe schooner]

Don't really count the mini bosses tbh

[graceful oyster]

I don't like calling 9S a mvania

[lavish apex]

you can just lie

[vivid belfry]

I have principles.

[graceful oyster]

The regions aren't really designed to come back to with new abilities

[severe schooner]

Looks pretty good

[exotic dome]

lies of p mention

[opaque sigil]

it's a bad one

[sharp slate]

Talking about themes fo nine sols, Spoiler midlate gameish ||The theme of life and death being in the game is huge hit to me, the scene where heng and yi are talking about their parents and dying on pengali. It seemed to be done very tastefully, kinda reminded me of how people see stuff at end of life, like cancer ect.|| I see why not havent attachment to characters could cause narrative to not be huge, since its a big building point in nine sols

[graceful oyster]

Great game, bad mvania, sure

[lavish apex]

does it have movement upgrades?

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[severe schooner]

It does

[light swan]

that being said i just remembered that mio has made me feel things only omori and xenoblade could make me feel and thats not something nine sols has done or something id expect from a game like mio

[frosty kelp]

@graceful oyster how the heck did you join NSS

[graceful oyster]

There are so many buttons on my controller that do stuff it's insane

[light swan]

so that bumps the game up a lot storywise

[sharp slate]

tbf it doesnt even say metroidvania on store page which is funny, well the user-defined tags are, but thats users misclassfying it (well maybe not even misclassified)

[vivid belfry]

I didn't mean to suggest earlier that nine sols is a strictly better version of mio, they have very different tones and approaches to similar subject matter

[lavish apex]

furi probably does parries the best out of any game i've played

[exotic dome]

is it not a metroidvania

[vivid belfry]

mio is very melancholy and nine sols is a much angrier game by comparison

[lavish apex]

or maybe the nugows

[light swan]

nah nah i get that lol

[opaque sigil]

mgr parry is goated

[graceful oyster]

9S bosses are just so so far better than Mio

[severe schooner]

Mio made me so angry TT

[lavish apex]

i have unfortunately not played mgr

[vivid belfry]

and MIO would be in my top 25 if someone didn't remind me that Celeste is fucking goated

[lavish apex]

as much as i want to

[graceful oyster]

Black magic

[frosty kelp]

who invited you

also use :stupidyi: for fun

[light swan]

im just trying to figure out my opinions on these games

[graceful oyster]

[frosty kelp]

yay

:))))

[cerulean sable]

Silky Shaw Amogus

[light swan]

because i feel like nine sols has a strictly better story

[graceful oyster]

I just made this one though and I love it sm

[light swan]

but i cant name why

[graceful oyster]

[frosty kelp]

what's your least favourite area other than putrified piece of ?

[severe schooner]

Is there any new metroidvaniq yall are enjoying

[graceful oyster]

Mio

[frosty kelp]

MIO

[light swan]

Mio

[exotic dome]

i see this emoji more than anything on this server

[severe schooner]

That's not new TT

[lavish apex]

i'm ngl

[light swan]

(that being said im playing through blasphemous 2 rn)

[lavish apex]

i kinda got bored of afterimage

[fleet delta]

yo guys

[lavish apex]

which is not fair of me

[sinful yarrow]

HA THERES A WEIRD LADY COVERED IN TREE BARK HARRSSSING ME

[frosty kelp]

if you want you can skip her

[opaque sigil]

tbf even mio doesn't totally escape the disfavorable comparison to outer wilds

[sinful yarrow]

Her boss seems... Fun

[light swan]

no its fair, afterimage pacing is weird

[cerulean sable]

i think my main gripes is Nine Sols wouldve been so good if it was a slow paced tactical extraction shooter set in a vaguely inspired easter european landscape instead

[light swan]

as in it works for me and only me

[lavish apex]

i played for like 4 hours and the only movement upgrade i got was

[fleet delta]

i have cogfly and long pin for red tool, druids eye weavelight sawtooth circlet and injector band for blue tools and compass barbed bracelet and ascendants grip for yellow tools what should my build be for hunters crest?

[lavish apex]

you can slide when crouching now
like
ok?

[sinful yarrow]

Im kinda disappointed because I like combat on controller more but the parkor in this game is unbearable if your not on keyboard

[cerulean sable]

Hunter is free

you can use wtv you want

[light swan]

4 hours? damn

[vivid belfry]

Everhood 2 is my game that only I like

[opaque sigil]

I need to find more of those

[light swan]

theres like 50 movement abilities tho and each area is fucking massive

[vivid belfry]

be careful, it can drive you insane

[opaque sigil]

I've been insane

[light swan]

youre only like, 3 areas in so youre still very early

think of it like silkspear but no one uses it

[exotic dome]

how did they even come up with 50 abilities

[sinful yarrow]

DOOR ACQUIRED

[light swan]

exaggeration

theres like a lot tho

[opaque sigil]

blue prince is maybe a case of that but I refuse to accept it and will relentlessly recommend it to everyone

[sinful yarrow]

Rainworld:

[vivid belfry]

I've heard nothing but good things about blue prince

[lavish apex]

blue prince seems well liked

[exotic dome]

i've seen a lot of people who like blue prince

[sinful yarrow]

Rainworlds movements is fucking insane

[light swan]

the game with 0 movement abilities (as far as i know)

[opaque sigil]

also uuuh unicorn overlord

[lavish apex]

i honestly can't think of a game that's like that for me

[sinful yarrow]

Like your not gonna use a quarter of it just casually but it's list is insanity

Rainworld has a multi page movement guide

[light swan]

yea im aware that the list is insane

[lavish apex]

some that are more hated but still have pretty large fanbases like xc2

[light swan]

but theres still no movement abilities as far as i know, just cool things you can do as a slugcat

HELLO THERES WEAPON SPECIFIC traversal things IN BLASPHEMOUS 2???

[lavish apex]

ya

[opaque sigil]

I never finished blasphemous 2

[sinful yarrow]

You can fly

[opaque sigil]

I should do that one of these days

[exotic dome]

yes

[lavish apex]

i think blasphemous 2 is a very good game

[sinful yarrow]

LMFAO I have yet to learn wiggle fly I don't think my hand wants me to

[light swan]

but am i wrong

[opaque sigil]

it is I just very often don't finish games

[sinful yarrow]

Yes and no

[lavish apex]

top 4 metroidvanias i've played (out of 10, but still)

[sinful yarrow]

You mean movement as in abilities to gain but what's the difference between having to find a ability and having said ability you just don't know how to use it

[exotic dome]

i havent finished it yet but it's superior to blas1 in every single aspect

[lavish apex]

in terms of like

[lavish apex]

every part of gameplay
absolutely

[opaque sigil]

making hazards not instakill you alone makes it infinitely more playable

[cerulean sable]

i did not like Blasph 1 as much

tbh

[light swan]

is there a separate button to dash for example

[lavish apex]

story and vibes i like more in blasphemous 1

but that's it

[sinful yarrow]

No

[cerulean sable]

i dont really wanna give scores but for me it was "good" to teethering annoying at times

mostly cuz of the spikes

and i dont remember the areas as much cuz i felt like it started to blend in

[opaque sigil]

the spikes were genuinely atrocious

[exotic dome]

pseudoregalia is pretty underrated, good list

[earnest drift]

i agree

[light swan]

pseudoregalia is peak

as a person whos neverp layed it

[lavish apex]

the miriam challenges are probably the worst platforming sequences in any game i've played

[sinful yarrow]

Rainworld has dashing there's just not a separate button for it

[leaden delta]

pseudoregalia is p cool

[exotic dome]

this is the only reason i will never replay or 100% it

[cerulean sable]

better start making as seperate list item for Sea of Sorrow /s

[leaden delta]

I vibed with it

[vivid belfry]

man I remember last year when I could say that metroidvanias were my favorite genre

I was different back then, and better

[opaque sigil]

I'd do uh
MIO
hk
poptlc/ss
afterimage
dread

[cerulean sable]

what about grime

you ever played it

[exotic dome]

sk
hk
mio
cv aria of sorrow
uhhh

[opaque sigil]

I didn't finish it

[vivid belfry]

oh fuck I forgot GRIME 2 is out

[cerulean sable]

aight

yeah i mentioned it cuz

Grime 2 afaik was out just a week ago

[vivid belfry]

grime is really weird and disarming but I appreciate it for that

[opaque sigil]

I played some of grime and both blasph games but didn't finish any of them

[sinful yarrow]

Rainworld movement is all confined to up down left right inputs and specific movements your doing

[exotic dome]

i bought grime 1-2 recently

[vivid belfry]

it's also got shockingly good boss fights

[light swan]

sounds to me like exactly what i thought it was

i hnate how ruego al alba only has 1 unique attack and thats the dive pogo

[sinful yarrow]

So yeah it does have movement abilities just not what you think when you are talking about a normal platformer

[loud kite]

happy Easter, chat

[exotic dome]

there are too many mvs but unfortunately they burn me out so quickly so i have to wait for 2-3 months to start another mv

[cerulean sable]

im sorry but i love RW's aesthetics and the vibes but i cannot with the gameplay

like i get the idea

[light swan]

would you consider backflipping a movement ability

[sinful yarrow]

Fair enough it's not for everyone

[vivid belfry]

hey I have a game series that's going to take you 2-3 months to finish and requires no exertion

[cerulean sable]

but for me it wasnt enough to go through the game BUT I DO understand and i really appreciate what its going for

[opaque sigil]

oh I totally forgot nine sols it goes below pop/ss

[sinful yarrow]

I mean yeah it's a movement ability

I love rainworld so much

[light swan]

ok so yea, it has no movement abilities just cool tricks yo ucan do

[lavish apex]

1. hk
2. skong
3. mio
4. blasphemous 2
5. blasphemous
6. metroid dread
7. ori 1
8. super metroid
9. samus returns
10. shantae and the pirate's curse
    afterimage is unranked bc i'm not far enough in yet

[sinful yarrow]

Rainworld gives me immense satisfaction

[exotic dome]

is it a visual novel or smth

[vivid belfry]

it's between 3 and 17 visual novels depending on how you count it

[sinful yarrow]

???? No it has movement abilities very useful movement abilities it's locked behind your ability to learn them

[light swan]

well you consider backflipping a movement ability
i dont

[opaque sigil]

if we count blue prince as a metroidvania it's my number 1
this is a big if because I'm not currently feeling insane enough to argue for that

[sharp slate]

Tier ranking metroidvanias:

1. Silksong & Hollow Knight & Nine Sols

[earnest drift]

tomorrow

[vivid belfry]

reading the entire When They Cry series is something I legitimately encourage but I obviously can't recommend it in good faith because it's 2.4 million words long

[lavish apex]

i hope nine sols cracks my top 3

[vivid belfry]

if you want to play a visual novel that won't drive you foaming at the mouth insane, just play slay the princess (and then scarlet hollow)

[exotic dome]

😭

[sinful yarrow]

Rainworld when scavanger kills me and him because he decided to throw a fucking bomb at point blank range trying to kill the fuckasd lizard

[exotic dome]

idk only visual novel i played was ddlc

[left crypt]

i forgot how much i hated seth

[vivid belfry]

ddlc is alright but it's the second worst visual novel I've ever read

[opaque sigil]

the only vns I've played are ace attorney games which probably barely count

[sinful yarrow]

Ok would you clarify rainworld as having Movement tech over movement ability

[leaden delta]

visual novel

[sinful yarrow]

Classify*

[leaden delta]

uhm. does ngo count

[light swan]

yes

[vivid belfry]

yes, and that's unfortunately my least favorite sorgy

[exotic dome]

that's a given, it's probably because it's a horror game so i didn't care about the narrative

[lavish apex]

are the aitsf games visual novels because if so then they are the only ones i've ever played

[leaden delta]

shittttt!

[vivid belfry]

okay if we're counting ace attorneys there are some that are below NSO

[light swan]

what the fuck is happening in blasphenosu

[sinful yarrow]

Dude I really wanna learn to fly in rainworld it's so funny

[opaque sigil]

what is nso

[vivid belfry]

needy streamer overload

[opaque sigil]

and yeah there's some bad ace attorneys

[vivid belfry]

what the hell does this stand for

[lavish apex]

ai: the somnium files

[vivid belfry]

I've heard that name

can't do anything with it though

[opaque sigil]

oh this got recommended to me a LONG time ago by a friend

[glad drum]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight-silksong/clips/mrJiAKqrw0XHQNnIB?invite=cr-MSxRSHYsNDY4NzUzNTI5&v=30 is the entry to the new area with the song lowkey aura

[lavish apex]

i like them

[light swan]

hmm im at the point where im a bit lost

[opaque sigil]

it did unlock the memory of playing the zero escape games though which are visual novels sort of

[vivid belfry]

oh this is by the danganronpa team

it's probably a visual novel?

[light swan]

ooh danganronpa

[lavish apex]

they're like also kind of puzzle games

[lavish apex]

just gotta splore

look at the map

[light swan]

please no we know i hate exploring

[exotic dome]

metroidvania fans when they have to explore

[light swan]

holy shit i can predict the movement patterns of the short people now and i can outplay them skillfyully

[upper trail]

i beat grandma 😄 😄 😄

[light swan]

ggs on grand

ok so im stupid theres a whole area i missed

yayyyy knots

oh this is upgrade land, ok

[left crypt]

grand mother*

[slim thorn]

ggs on lace

[upper trail]

grandma

[slim burrow]

Ruiner of fun

[left crypt]

my bad

[slim thorn]

i think its cuz of not having english as first language but i do read it as the grand (as in greatness) mother instead of as in granny

[left crypt]

great mother silk

[cerulean sable]

read Steins Gate grover

[rocky jolt]

based

[vivid belfry]

I got too much shit going on atm

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-floppa-cat-bingus-sogga-gif-23529984

so youre some sort of king of crust

[earnest drift]

can the parasite in the twisted child ending beat the shade lord

[broken seal]

prolly nah

[earnest drift]

can it beat absolute radiance

[broken seal]

also prolly nah

[earnest drift]

whatttt

[broken seal]

it was only able to take over GMS by using Hornet as a vessel to bind her whilst she was incredibly weak and on the verge of death (Hornet was also weakened)

[earnest drift]

but then it absorbs both their power

surely that puts it above weaver queen hornet

[dawn leaf]

we literally know nothing about twisted child power level

[earnest drift]

we saw its egg spread out and petrify the entire citadel

[rocky jolt]

all we know is that it twists

[broken seal]

we don't know if it "absorbing" the power will equate to the same level of power as to what it previously absorbed

[earnest drift]

that alone says a lot

[sharp slate]

I assume post ending it will be a higher being/gain power over time

[fathom pendant]

guys what u think, they gonna add pantheons for this game too?

[broken seal]

it's impressive but i don't think that's anything to show it overpowering the shade lord or anything. also, we don't see it moving or even existing after it's mass petrification, so it could have very well died in this act

[earnest drift]

shade lord is considered the most powerful because it's implied it consumes hallownest, right

[sharp slate]

I assume its just because throughout the game the void just consumes everything

[severe schooner]

I wouldn't liek pantheons ngl

[sharp slate]

void snacking on higher beings in both games xD

[sharp slate]

probably, i wouldn't be suprised

[fathom pendant]

after the first game I wouldn't want to go through it again but I'd be cool

[severe schooner]

I just want to replay the bosses

[fathom pendant]

yeahh exactly and without mods its impossible 😔

[broken seal]

a parasite born with only one overwhelming desire to bind itself to the most powerful being and spread it's wave of death

[severe schooner]

What even is the voidd, it doesn't feel like an entity

[earnest drift]

when bugs die their regrets collect at the bottom of the world

that becomes the void

[broken seal]

not saying that's what the twisted bud/cursed child is, but just a potential explanation of what it's purpose could be

[severe schooner]

So it's kind of faith?

[broken seal]

almost the opposite. the failed faith and regrets of those who both live and die

[severe schooner]

So i guess everything living is just going in the void

After death

[broken seal]

[severe schooner]

[autumn hawk]

I just did a 2:26 any%

[severe schooner]

That's awesome

[autumn hawk]

Ty

[quartz cave]

holy fucking shit the Artemis II crew did indeed wake up to fucking sleepyhead i thought that was a joke

Sleepyhead sweep

[earnest drift]

what

[scarlet karma]

yes

[scarlet karma]

…?

[quartz cave]

its a song

[scarlet karma]

ah icic

[quartz cave]

hit song featured in hit best videogame of all time littlebigplanet 2

[scarlet karma]

by who

?

maybe I’ll give it a listen

ty

[quartz cave]

probably just look up sleepyhead

[broken seal]

holy shit sub 3 minutes???? I didn't think it was possible god damn gg bro gg

[quartz cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0RvPYRRRbE

yeah its just googling sleepyhead

[autumn hawk]

I will find you.

[quartz cave]

listening to this song makes me want to rush out of my seat to go play little big planet

[broken seal]

well that's very valiant of you but i'm not lost, you'd want to go to garmond or lace for that

[autumn hawk]

Guys I might get violent very very soon

[broken seal]

that's not very peaceful i'd reckon

[autumn hawk]

I didn't realize that. Mb gangalang

[brave geyser]

I thought you were violent already

[autumn hawk]

Only to silksong thingies though

[broken seal]

it's okay, people make mistakes, you just happened to make a big one. I forgive you.

[autumn hawk]

Wild shit

[broken seal]

As compared to tame shit

[autumn hawk]

I'm thinking about you tonight.

[broken seal]

😳

[brave geyser]

@plush plover

[light swan]

@lavish apex :)

blasphemous 2 spoilers stuff

ik this one has a sweet spot at the edge which hits more

[lavish apex]

caveman smash with big metal ball

[light swan]

which is kind of exactly like what id personally change about reaper (add a tipper for more damage)

[lavish apex]

veredicto is fun

[light swan]

it does seem pretty slow which idk how i feel about

[graceful oyster]

[lavish apex]

it generally hits hard enough to make up for that

[light swan]

although now its putting ruego into a weird spot

[severe schooner]

I really wanna play something , but i don't find nothing interesting T-T

[light swan]

if i want zoning and range i go veredicto
if i want speed approach and generally damage (lighting powerful) i go s&c
when do i want to go ruego

[vivid belfry]

I think the weapons in BL2 are quite well balanced between each other

[trim estuary]

Consider seeing a therapist

[severe schooner]

I did

[trim estuary]

yeah same

[severe schooner]

Did help but doesn't in this case

[lavish apex]

ruego can do some very good damage

[vivid belfry]

I've replayed the game a bunch and focusing on any weapon over the others always feels good

[lavish apex]

yeah i agree

[light swan]

that being said, i gotta find more weapon specific mechanics like the lightning mirrors

i can smash shit now with veredicto ig but i havent found any ruego mechanics

[lavish apex]

you have to use it to get out of the area where you find it

i believe

[light swan]

i didnt need to use ruegos mechanic
or at least i left without figuring it out

[lavish apex]

it's just ||using weight of sin to break the root walls||

maybe i'm misremembering then

[light swan]

OH veredicto does bell stuff

wtf does ruego do 😭

i imagine it has something to do wiht those walls but i dont remember it doing anything

[lavish apex]

it does what i just said in tags

[light swan]

||wtf is weight of sin lol||

[lavish apex]

||the plunge attack||

[light swan]

OH

THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

[lavish apex]

anyways i think the appeal with raa in combat is a. blood pact being cracked and really fun if you invest into it and b. having good hitboxes and damage without needing to do the nohit thing that s&c need

it's the midpoint between the other two kinda

[light swan]

yea its the midpoint

but i feel like id rather use 2 things that lean harshly into 1 specific niche

[grand grail]

what

[light swan]

and im fine with using hte nohit thing that s&c need

i still dont really get bloodpact purely because ive never used it

[left crypt]

hk-discussion hating on yall

[vivid belfry]

blood pact is weird because it gets worse the more health upgrades you have

like it's never to the point where it becomes unusuable but it's noticeable throughout a playthrough

[tawdry zinc]

how does one join the vc

[trim estuary]

ttacco? Is that you?

[tawdry zinc]

do i have to send 150 messages to get vc access?

eyyyy whhhhhaaaat

[light swan]

@lavish apex lol do i need bloodpact to open walls

[lavish apex]

no, you need height

it only triggers if you start it while high enough in the air

[light swan]

ah

[lavish apex]

or rather fall far enough

[light swan]

i forgot veredicto had a charge attack

wait you can turn on veredicto

[vivid belfry]

Check the upgrade screen, it shows base abilities on the left

[light swan]

yea, i checked that and thats how i found out

[lyric idol]

god i wish there was something that whould happen if u didn't bind gms instantly

[finite swift]

What silksong mod is this

[opaque sigil]

It’s a pretty niche one you might not have heard of it. It’s called playing another game

[finite swift]

hmmm mmmmhmmmmm

[light swan]

YOOOO ||spear girl is my friend||

@lavish apex help me what button is this
BLASPHEMOUS 2 SPOILERS

ik that the first one with the weird name is parry, which is bound to my ' button

but the second one ive never seen before

[lapis dune]

Just now learned that Hornet deals double damage in the jailbreak sequence cuz she's just that pissed off lmao

[lavish apex]

uhhhhhh

[light swan]

nevermind i figured it out by pressing random bullshit, i still dont know what it is but i activated it

[lavish apex]

on console it's r

oh wait no duh that's parry

i think just attack?

yeah

[light swan]

probably

[lavish apex]

whatever your attack input is

[light swan]

/

[vivid belfry]

LT I think?

[light swan]

ok i know nothing about phase 2 but holy shit s&c are strong

ggs ||radames|| 3rd attempt (BLASPHEMOUS 2 BOSS SPOILERS)

[rough anvil]

Whos that

[lavish apex]

nice

[rough anvil]

Yeah so i dont play blasphemous 2

So whos that i need the snitch

[light swan]

im scared that im already 2 out of 3 major things into the game

[lavish apex]

oh don't worry

there's way more than just those

[light swan]

i know theres 5 ||people from the confraternity, as well as the city that comes down so im hopeful||

[lavish apex]

the game is reasonably long by mv standards

[light swan]

lfg

how would you say it compares to mio or silksong

[lavish apex]

considerably shorter than skong, probably a bit longer than mio

[light swan]

a bit longer, alr

[gray kite]

Do we have a confirmed release date for the new DLC yet?

[lavish apex]

could be more than a bit but it's hard to parse

[graceful cairn]

sea of sorrow is tomorrow

[analog hound]

Yes

[gray kite]

sea of sorrow just a week away

[finite swift]

i need city of steel dlc

[wary thicket]

No actually team cherry just announced an info post about that in their blog. You should check it out

[finite swift]

city of steel dlc please team cherry its so intresting

[fallow barn]

first tried ||coral tower|| a bit ago. wanted to cry from the adrenaline, but somehow I didn't fuck it up

[rough anvil]

Why is he spoilering in...
Sk discussion.. ?!

[graceful cairn]

pale king is the final boss btw

[orchid spruce]

we have the same brain cell also my reaction at that point

[teal ridge]

Imagine city of steel becomes its on game. Whwre we play as sharpio

[violet canopy]

Guys I’m trying to do the rasher delivery, is it like hk and the flower? If I kill the enemies they don’t get respawned? And after killing all the enemies can I take a bell train back to bellhart to start the delivery or will it respawn the enemies I killed?

[light swan]

yea i remembered you asked the same thing lol

[light swan]

you can kill the enemies, and taking the bellway doesnt reset them i think but i could be wrong about that

its similar to the flower, its easier in some ways but harder in other ways

[lavish apex]

i think it's strictly easier

assuming you wait until faydown cloak

[light swan]

on one hand you can be patient and slow and meticulous with flower

on the other hand the route is much easier and you have a lot more room for mistakes with rashers

[violet canopy]

I killed all the enemies in the path now I considering taking a train back instead of running all the way again

[orchid spruce]

someone reassured me there's a boss half as good as ||Eigong|| (nine sols) in Blasphemous 2

which is my fuel to keep going

[light swan]

well half isnt a lot

[lavish apex]

i have not fought ||eigong|| but there is one base game boss that i think is very good and very challenging yeah

and another in the dlc

[left crypt]

Lore question, could the knight take the everblooms from traitor lords arena outside of godhome

[orchid spruce]

well, for him, Pure Vessel isn't half as good as || Eigong|| so it's quite some standard

[violet canopy]

Nah man that’s like s tier boss, I know what b2 boss they talking about and it’s a great fight but don’t expect eigong

[orchid spruce]

hype

[light swan]

interesting

[lavish apex]

that one is near the top of my favorite metroidvania bosses i'd say

[toxic vigil]

what crest should i learn
other than beast hunter and wanderer

[violet canopy]

Anyone that knows? I’m next to the train but scared to take it lol

[light swan]

witch

[orchid spruce]

Trains don't break the flower

[lavish apex]

you don't really need to kill any enemies for rasher

[orchid spruce]

Oh, that's not what you asked

[lavish apex]

it's easy to just move past them

[light swan]

^^^^ i think i only encountered like, 1 enemy i had to avoid anyway

and its super easy to just jump over them, unlike those infected vengeflies in crossroads

[lavish apex]

assuming you take the blasted steps route and lean left in choral chambers

[violet canopy]

It’s my last part of the oil quest I really want to get it over with

I want this +2 needle

[light swan]

oh my god lightning is chunky

[toxic vigil]

missed cross stitch

[violet canopy]

Btw are the boomerangs good?

[light swan]

they get better, but theyre probably the strongest red tool in the game

or at l east top 3

[lavish apex]

the stock variant is solid

[violet canopy]

Awesome man

[toxic vigil]

curveclaw is like top 10, the upgraded version is top 2

[violet canopy]

Ohh I can upgrade it?

[broken seal]

only in act 3

[lavish apex]

arguably the upgrade has the highest damage potential per stack of any red tool

and it's quite fast and easy to use

[toxic vigil]

delver's

[broken seal]

against medium-large enemies yes

[light swan]

this is cool (BLASPHEMOUS 2 SPOILERS)

[orchid spruce]

the weapon system is really good

[broken seal]

delvers is not the highest damage potential for red tools

[toxic vigil]

yes it is

84 * 18

[broken seal]

mb yeah it is misinterpreted what you meant

[graceful oyster]

I'M FINALLY HERE

EGGNOG

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/804491292897574944/1093521432836841575/tumblr_31da85bcba2b63299dd8c27a77fa42da_4cd204ed_250-1.gif

[light isle]

Hellooo silksong

[lavish apex]

in theory that's pretty good but in practice curvesickle is usually doing a lot more, at least against big things

[toxic vigil]

that would require average 5.5 multihits
so you need a target you can get 6 hits on

[light swan]

blasphemous is really good at creating the feeling of "where the fuck am i right now" and i love that feeling

[lavish apex]

i mean in terms of like. how you actually use them

it is very hard to get every hit of delver's drill for an entire stack

[light swan]

SPEAR GIRLLL

[orchid spruce]

blas2 does everything really well, no real nitpick thus far

[light swan]

i agree

my favorite part is that i love how it doesnt force parries onto you

[lavish apex]

that's why i love it so much

[orchid spruce]

i'm embracing the parry

i try to parry what i can

[lavish apex]

not the parry part i mean just like
the general average quality of the game

[orchid spruce]

blasphemous 2 is a really good game thus far

[broken seal]

that's blasphemy

[light swan]

i love the exploration aspect a lot it feels addicting

[lavish apex]

while i do prefer the aesthetics and atmosphere of 1, 2 still does a good job with those and also does every conceivable aspect of gameplay better

usually by a lot

[light swan]

oh my god this is like hunter focus with wanderers crest

i dont like mindlessly spamming attack but focus combined with diagonal attacks combined with a dash attack is just impossible to pass up

mindlessly spamming attack is just an unfortunate side effect

also no hate to spear girl but why is she absolutely useless in a fight does she actually deal damage bro

[lavish apex]

a very small amount on rare occaisions

[light swan]

@lavish apex help why arent these two resonating BLASPHEMOUS 2 SPOILERS

[violet canopy]

Ok I overestimated this, much easier than the flower

[lavish apex]

oh yeah sorry i don't think the gray ones can

[orchid spruce]

i think the last category has no reasonance

[light swan]

aw :(

[orchid spruce]

btw you fought the ||Lady Embroider?|| (blasphemous 2)

[light swan]

yea shes beautiful and my favorite boss and amazing

[orchid spruce]

yeah, the aesthetic is cool

how many tries it did it take you? 1 or 2?

[light swan]

i love how she stands on the golden thread, i wish lace did the same but according to lace, lace is top heavy and wouldnt be able to balance well

2

[orchid spruce]

1 for me

what a fraud

[light swan]

was she your first confraternity person or nah

[orchid spruce]

she was my second

[light swan]

makes sense

[orchid spruce]

my first one was the ||glass shard guy||

[light swan]

which one was that? ive only done the top left and ||orospina||

[orchid spruce]

i think his name begins with r or sth

[toxic vigil]

21 or 20 seconds total

[light swan]

||radames?||

[orchid spruce]

i think so

[toxic vigil]

i guess its time to learn witch spogos

[light swan]

man i should try and use bloodp act

[orchid spruce]

i have no idea how that works as well

[light swan]

its like

once the gauge reaches full, you can activate it and turn into beast fury

as far as i know it can go on infinitely as long as you keep landing hits and sustaining the gauge

and you get special attacks in fury too

[orchid spruce]

ok i see, thanks

[tacit relic]

Is craw father hard?

[light swan]

no hes aight

[toxic vigil]

no he is one of the easier act 3 bosses

[tacit relic]

Wait really?

Is he easier than Zango?

[orchid spruce]

Lace 1 level of easy

[toxic vigil]

zango is not a boss

but pretty easy

[light swan]

please tell me this is double jump

[lavish apex]

:)

[light swan]

i hate the stupid 2d cutscenes :(

[orchid spruce]

the lighting is a bit off in those but it's fine

[light swan]

the tone just doenst fit at all

[plucky delta]

Ok a few months back I was talking major trash about the difficultly of the game and got mad any time someone said "git good" to me. Now I'm realizing it wasn't me it was the console I was playing on. At the time I'm was playing on Xbox, now I'm on PS5 and I'm practically speed running these bosses. I even beat bosses after 2-5 tries that I couldnt beat before. So ha I got good

[tacit relic]

Congrats!

Which bosses did you beat?

[plucky delta]

I'm hyped on adrenaline rn I just beat F.S for the first time and couldn't before

[orchid spruce]

i'm over the honeymoon phase of a metroidvania, now's the dreadful "find the obscure secret that leads to progression" part

[tacit relic]

F.S?

[plucky delta]

I don't think I can say it's name in chat

[tacit relic]

You can.

It's not sk help.

[plucky delta]

Oh then first sinner

[light swan]

this chat is all spoilers, if anything youre the one whos gonna get spoiled

[tacit relic]

Ohhh.

She was really hard.

Took me thirteen attempts.

[plucky delta]

I beat her after 4 tries and didnted even go back to the bench to rebuild my tools.

[tacit relic]

Oo.

I love brute forcing my enemies.

Hit hit hit hit until it's done.

[plucky delta]

I used cogflies with poison, heavy belt, longnail, spikes, electro needle, architect crest, fast heal, and the spider thing that lets me crawl on the floor.

[tacit relic]

Oh.

[toxic vigil]

@light swan what witch blue tool do i use other than circlet multibinder and claw mirror

[tacit relic]

I just used nail.

I'm terrible at spamming tools.

[light swan]

depending on the boss, either injector bands if you cant warding bind or warding bell if you can and want to warding bind

[tacit relic]

Warding bell, multibinder and injector band are a must.

[civic island]

Shes just very fasy

[tacit relic]

For every boss...

[civic island]

You just cant hit her

[tacit relic]

Tbh... I replaced warding bell with longclaw.

[civic island]

Nuke build goes bum

[tacit relic]

I think it's pretty cool how I get more range.

[civic island]

With wanderer is very nice

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[tacit relic]

Yes yes.

[civic island]

Exactly

[tacit relic]

I just use wanderer.

Though I feel like hunter's crest is kinda good.

[light swan]

someone tell these hammer bitches to shut the fuck up and die

[civic island]

Who?

[tacit relic]

Which hammer?

[ruby agate]

warding bell Why are you using circlet

[civic island]

Well its maybe the hardest crest

[light swan]

different game

[light swan]

because its really damn good on witch crest

[ruby agate]

use warding bell so you can damage enemies without any punishment

[ruby agate]

yeah i play witch crest for the bind if i wanna be a facetanking circlet bum i'd use wanderer

[lavish apex]

i do actually have 1 kinda sizable complaint about blasphemous 2 now that i think about it but it's kinda spoiler-ish

[light swan]

ideally youd appreciate witch for every part of it

such as the unique property it has with sawtooth circlet, where pogo pulls sawtooth circlet inside of the enemy and has nothing to do with facetanking

[toxic vigil]

wdym why am i using circlet
isn't spogos like
30% of witch crest

[tacit relic]

Is there some kind of hidden boss I might be missing?

[light swan]

you can already damage enemies without punishment

[tacit relic]

How do I get 100% in this game?

[light swan]

theyre a witch crest glazer but dont know the wonders of witch crest

[civic island]

Witch crest build is calw mirror multibinder injector band aaaaand smtng else i forgor

[graceful oyster]

[civic island]

All tools

[toxic vigil]

look up wiki

[graceful oyster]

Eggnog is hard

[ruby agate]

i dont use circlet because it just feels cheesy to me man

[light swan]

sawtooth circlet

[civic island]

Thats like 50% percent of the game

[ruby agate]

oh cool i get to instakill bosses woohooo This isnt fun if i wanted to do that i'd use wanderer or architect

[light swan]

(ignoring the unique parts of witch crest along the way)

[civic island]

Oh it works with healing?

[tacit relic]

Oh... I just checked and suddenly I'm at 90% progression.

[toxic vigil]

i am using this against karmelita ( no dark mirror bc i didn't do torm trobbio )

[ruby agate]

i just dont like circlet it isnt fun

[light swan]

nope it doesnt need to

[ruby agate]

why are you doing karmelita before tormented trobbio

[civic island]

Rel

[toxic vigil]

why not

[graceful oyster]

I am not an avid UC user but that phase 2 attack that encourages it is FUN

[ruby agate]

because you're using witch cres

[civic island]

Why only one red tool

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

only witch and reaper can do this and it’s something to appreciate about the crest

[ruby agate]

red tools arent that useful on witch lmao

[civic island]

Facs

But like the more the merrier

[ruby agate]

yeah however that feels insanely cheesy and unfun

[civic island]

Bro

[toxic vigil]

bc i just want to play witch crest, not tool

[light swan]

no its super fun

[civic island]

You get to be a living nuke

[tacit relic]

I wish it had one more yellow tool slot.

[ruby agate]

yeah thats when you use the nuke build

[tacit relic]

Instead of two red tools.

[light swan]

use both

[ruby agate]

you dont need yellow tools on witch at ALL lmao

[ruby agate]

You only somewhat need dice

[civic island]

What other build there are on wc

[tacit relic]

I want it for the dice.

[ruby agate]

circlet build

"oh shit you can nuke?" build

[tacit relic]

And the one that gives you extra i-frames.

[ruby agate]

use your vesticrest

[light swan]

why cant you put circlet on top of a nuke buiold ???

[ruby agate]

that one sucks never cook again

[civic island]

Circlet is too skill for me

[tacit relic]

Wdym?

[ruby agate]

because warding bell is just better and it gets rid of the risk of taking damage while nuking

[tacit relic]

It's not bad.

[ruby agate]

yeah you just dont need it though

[civic island]

Facs

Warding bell is valid all acts

[odd bridge]

team cherry should add option to fight high halls and coral tower gaunlets again because they are probably most fun parts of the game

[light swan]

isnt the risk what makes witch crest cool in the first place

[toxic vigil]

it already has 3 blues 2 reds
it already has the best tool slots of any crest

[civic island]

Never cook again

[plucky delta]

I think the only bosses I have left before endgame is second sentinel, lace, raging conchfly, crust king khann, watcher of the edge, lost Garamond, forebrothers signis and gron, the unraveler, Seth, nyleth, and shakra.

[toxic vigil]

yeahh

[ruby agate]

well no theres rarely any risk because if you're gonna get damaged while using witch crest you werent gonna nuke either way
warding bell is a qol

[earnest drift]

make all gauntlets replayable

[light swan]

................um what

witch bind is the highest damaging attack in the game

wtf do you mean you werent gonna nuke either way

[ruby agate]

why have you not fought second sentinel, unravelled and raging conchfly

[graceful oyster]

(NINE SOLS FINAL BOSS SPOILERS)
Right because why wouldn't she be able to switch it up on me

[earnest drift]

including the one at the start of act 3

[toxic vigil]

witch bind is a lot of dmg

[orchid spruce]

🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[ruby agate]

you arent really meant to do nukes unless the enemy isnt moving: thus if you get damaged, its because the enemy.. was moving

warfing bell is just a quality of life

[odd bridge]

yeah also I think there should be pantheon that would be entirely enemy gauntlets since as I said they are really fun

[ruby agate]

pantheon of the groal

[light swan]

why shouldnt you be using nukes when the enemy is moving?

if theyre stuck in an animation they cant get out of the way

[ruby agate]

..because you'll miss

[toxic vigil]

dosen't shaman volt filament extended threadstorm do more ( assuming no warding bell )

[light swan]

thats assuming no warding bell

[light swan]

then aim better then 😭

[plucky delta]

Raging conchfly is next on my list. I can't figure out how to get to unraveled, and the quest hasn't popped up for last sentinel yet despite me going and seeing him fight in is 3 locations

[light swan]

the best time to bind against almost all bosses is when the enemy is moving towards you

karmelita's slashes, lace's dives, seths dashes, etc

[odd bridge]

pantheon/symphony of battle which would be every gauntlet in the game ending on bilewater gauntlet but harder which would lead to harder version of groal

[tacit relic]

Is this good or bad?

[ruby agate]

im saying that you'll barely nuke if the enemy is actively moving quickly like shakra's boss for example because you will maybe miss

[ruby agate]

scuttlebrace user
i fw it

[plucky delta]

I'd say use cogflies. The guns nice but having them fight for you while u keep your distance is also great

[tacit relic]

Wdym?

[tacit relic]

Oh... I don't actually use my tools.

[ruby agate]

or bosses like trobbio where you just cant hit him unless he's standing still or using the tornado

aka 20% of the boss

[plucky delta]

I used it on first sinner. Was the first time I dodged an attack with it and it was on accident

[patent heath]

If it works for you, it's good.

[tacit relic]

It works great!

[plucky delta]

Then definitely use cogflies especially since they can attack during the rawr animation

[ruby agate]

red tools arent fun i didnt use them in my first playthrough

i can TELL you're an architect main

durr durr purple coglfy durr i spent 25 dollars on this game and i refuse to play it durr durr durr

[plucky delta]

Nope I main reaper

[patent heath]

Pollip Pouch isn't even that good.

Because of the weird way it damages.

[toxic vigil]

polip pouch is like F tier

[ruby agate]

What the fuck is wrong with you

[light swan]

he tornados a lot btw, and you can hit him while he’s falling from his fireworks

[plucky delta]

A lot.

[tacit relic]

It's okish.

[patent heath]

Aight, we got Crest discourse again.

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[light swan]

dont bind while he’s standing still because he can run away randomly

[patent heath]

As if we didn't have enough of Crest discourse already.

[toxic vigil]

nope, we are not doing that
FUCK polip pouch actually

[fleet temple]

reaper users be like I love taking 7 years to kill a aknid

[tacit relic]

Lmao

[ruby agate]

no its not discourse i just think reaper crest is by far the "you're weird for using this over every other option" crest

[patent heath]

Yeah, I know. I agree. Screw that tool.

[patent heath]

'kay.

[ruby agate]

and this is the majority opinion that reaper crest gif was BANGING back when the game first released

[light swan]

the best time to bind is when theyre stuck in an animation and not when they’re idle and standing still btw, thats the best time for the boss to just run away and do smth else

[raw pawn]

Team cherry should make a Sherma plushie fr

[graceful cairn]

idc what you use but if you main architect im casting you into the lake of fire

[toxic vigil]

needle architect can be cool

[ruby agate]

i know

[tacit relic]

Agreed.

[ruby agate]

architect mains when they have to play the game (impossible)

[fleet temple]

I just did no heal bind run and that's the only time architect was good for me

[plucky delta]

I mainly use it cause it's best pogo in my opinion. Best damage is architect, fastest damage is witch. Those are pretty much the only ones I use but unless in a difficult boss, I mainly use reaper

[light swan]

then whyd you say binding when trobbio is standing still was a good idea

[toxic vigil]

basically hunter but worse but you get to inject yourself with drugs

[ruby agate]

standing still as in whenever he cant run away

[graceful cairn]

SO TRUE

[ruby agate]

its hard to explain I despise trobbio for existing

[raw pawn]

So literally a cursed run

[light swan]

…he can always run away if hes standing still

[lavish apex]

i need the sea of sorrow in my veins chat

[ruby agate]

like whenever he have endlag from an ability or is staggered

[raw pawn]

Trobbio tornado is very unpredictable ngl

[lavish apex]

i wanna replay the game again but i don't wanna start a playthrough only for it to drop when i'm almost at the end

[light swan]

which isn’t standing still

[ruby agate]

i dont know why mfs be glazing trobbio that boss has made me lose PLENTY of pantheon of pharloom runs

[wide mango]

Plasmium vial is right there yk

[fleet temple]

yeah but I can use tools
I should do a cursed run though

was planning on making a cursed hornet skin for it

[lavish apex]

why can't team cherry just give us a fuckin date

[ruby agate]

naked crest run

[lavish apex]

it's april

[raw pawn]

Bugs don't eat dates

[light swan]

idk i feel lik disliking circlet is fine even if it’s super unique on witch and it’s the reason why witch pogo is the best pogo

but saying warding bell for quality of life is required on witch is kinda stupid to me

[ruby agate]

regular human please make that cursed hornet skin as a witch crest main that will be in my veins

[fleet temple]

unfortunately you can't make assymetrical hornet skins yet

[toxic vigil]

https://youtu.be/JEInJrEIKLc

[light swan]

tbe better you get the less youre gonna get hit while binding so by no means is it necessary

[ruby agate]

i never said it was required

quality of life isnt required its quality of life

[plucky delta]

Just to confirm cause I'm a little stupid. Is the plasmium actually lifeblood from the first game or is it completely different but looks the same?

[raw pawn]

I was doing item randomizer before and I picked the naked crest in hunter's march and I had to play the game naked until I got the reaper crest

[light swan]

you were heavily suggesting it as if it were required

[toxic vigil]

can someone good at wtich tell me if i am doing somenthing wrong or is this just mediocre plays ( obviously not good yet at witch crest spogos )

[light swan]

that being said warding bind is really cool and i wish it was possible on more bosses

[ruby agate]

i hate the item randomizer mod because 9 times out of 10 it doesnt work at all

[fleet temple]

I will once modders find a way to make assymetrical skins

[ruby agate]

wdym assymetrical skins

[raw pawn]

Use the nexus mod the thunderstore one sucks for now

[fleet temple]

I'd show you but I don't have image perms fsr

[ruby agate]

which nexus mod

that one also doesnt work because it gives you two items, the original and the randomized one

[raw pawn]

Using this as a reaction image from now on

[ruby agate]

i was just watching this

[light swan]

i think you need more practice but also the only thing youre doing is spogoing and nothing else tbh

[raw pawn]

Oh it does that with important items so you don't get softlocked

[fleet temple]

I did already make an idle, if you want I can dm it to you?

[ruby agate]

yeah sure

[wide mango]

It’s lifeblood

[ruby agate]

the softlocking is the fun part of the randomizer though

[light swan]

also your bind placements arent very good, at least your first one wasn’t

[wide mango]

I think hornet says something about it in the enemy entry

[toxic vigil]

yeah actually about that
how much witch crest tech is there

[ruby agate]

its the same but since pharloom and hallownest are seperate, they dont share a name for it

[patent heath]

She also says she's witnessed it before but Zylotol just straight up denies her statement.

[ruby agate]

or zylotol is just larping and he just called it plasmium cause it sounded cool

[wide mango]

It does sound good

[lavish apex]

the thumbnail is correct, fuck that enemy

[light swan]

dash attack stuff is the next main one

clawlining after witch dash attack cancels the animation

it goes from 13 frames to 6 frames, so thats over half of the animation

[patent heath]

I think Witch Crest has the most tech.
Or it might be Hunter.

[ruby agate]

clawline is your best friend on witch

just on every crest, people underuse clawline

[light swan]

i think rdac chains are too hard for you rn

[light swan]

witch crest by far

[lavish apex]

hunter just has wavedash stuff pretty much

[patent heath]

Mhmm.

[plucky delta]

I guess... Just thought hornet would have some dialogue about lifeblood mentioning the ill effects of it's use. But then again it's also the only thing able to grow in the void/abyss.

[ruby agate]

wanderer mains finding a way to get invincibility to facetank the entire run (it requires frame perfect plasmium phial timings)

[patent heath]

Idk enough about Wanderer to say anything.

[spark anchor]

just a bunch of bullshit higher beings made for no reason

[fleet temple]

I should make a crest skin

[light swan]

hunter only has wavedash
shaman has cooldown cancels
according to some people, beast has pogo spam
reaper has spogos

witch has animation cancels, spogos, rdac chain, and warding bind

[patent heath]

I mean, she does try.
But again, Zylotol just ignores and denies her.

[ruby agate]

OH YEAH btw dm me the cursed idle

[fleet temple]

I just did

[ruby agate]

reaper mains arent smart enough to pull off spogos dont lie to yourself

[light swan]

quadruple every other crests tech

[plucky delta]

The witch crest is nice for rapid attacking single enemies and if you get a heal off it's amazing, but in my opinion it is a terrible crest for bosses that are fast. Mainly do to it's short range

[light swan]

witch has the 2nd highest range in the game btw

[toxic vigil]

2nd highest?

[ruby agate]

you're a witch main it doesnt count

[light swan]

behind shaman, yes

[plucky delta]

Could if fooled me. Looks like the same range as wanders in my screen

[patent heath]

Yeah, just need to get good at animation cancels. Other than that, I'd say I am good at the Witch Crest tech.

[ruby agate]

clawline clawline clawline this ability is used for combat why do you guys not use it

clawline is your best friend on every boss 😭

[patent heath]

I am very used to using its dash attack and pogo to maneuver around, so I can manage on faster bosses.

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-isamor-pious-isamor-bug-hollow-knight-gif-17425660267368156915

[light swan]

we need more rdac chain representation, no one ever does it except for me and grynne

[toxic vigil]

hunter is shortest?

[rose forge]

I guess bro

[light swan]

btw if anything witch is better for fast bosses since it has crazy burst damage

[ruby agate]

yeah but see i feel like learning this would make silksong feel competitive and not fun

[rose forge]

Finally people are so based here

[ruby agate]

part of the fun in silksong is NOT quick-killing everything

[light swan]

dude. this isn’t that op bro

[ruby agate]

this is why i quit silksong too many sweats

[light swan]

part of the fun is in doing cool and fun shit

[ruby agate]

wanderer crest main tries witch crest

[light swan]

rdac chains are some of the funnest shit ever

[rose forge]

YES??? THIS IS THE MOST BASED DISCUSSION SESSION???

[graceful oyster]

Timmy does it, not me

[rough anvil]

Its illusion's

Im a witch crest main too

[plucky delta]

Not sure. As I typed earlier, my main source of attacking is pogo. And sprint attacks. But mostly pogo and tools.

[rose forge]

Doesn't change a thing, I think its still a Wanderer crest main tries witch crest

[toxic vigil]

literally me right now

[ruby agate]

you killed that thing before it even spawned man

part of the fun of those guys is waiting for a good time to pogo on them and run away or dodge their attacks and kill them

[lavish apex]

it's crazy how sometimes you play like this and other times it's just that second sentinel gif

[light swan]

dude, everything can kill that guy before it spawns

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-meme-socrates-socrates-meme-gif-13950815877744498966

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/second-sentinel-ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-gif-14144986572548286793

[ruby agate]

250

a witch ccrest nuke couldnt even kill this guy

[light swan]

fun comes from doing fun things i dont get why strong things cant be fun

[lavish apex]

yeah that's the one

[light swan]

and witch is weak it’s not even strong

[ruby agate]

WITCH IS WEAK???

YEAH AND BEAST HAS THE BEST POGO

[strange knot]

Yeah?

[light swan]

compared to other crests yes

[strange knot]

Witch isn’t strong in comparison to others

[plucky delta]

Idk I use reaper a lot and if that fails then architect. I only really use witch to farm rosaries from the dudes next to first shrine.

[light swan]

3rd best

[queen acorn]

illusie

[orchid spruce]

you need 10 million techs to match other crests on witch

[queen acorn]

can you do ll with only warding bell damage

no witch build only the warding bell

[rose forge]

Fighting in a Choegraphed way is fun (is that how you spell it?) its best with Phantom, Lace, Second Sentinel, Widow, First Sinner, and some other Middle sized bosses

[ruby agate]

i'd reccomend using sharpdart honestly its really good when chained

[light swan]

im doing whats fun not whats good

[queen acorn]

illussieee

[ruby agate]

cross stitch lost all it's fun factor when i realised you can just do the same with your own nail 👀

parrying with your nail is top 5 experiences in the game

[light swan]

how do i get silk

[rose forge]

With no damage

Yes twin

[queen acorn]

ok wait fuck

[ruby agate]

yeah but its more fun LMAO

[queen acorn]

idk use mods turn off needle damage

[patent heath]

I mean, yeah. The fact that it needs so much tech to match other Crests having only one or two shows that, I think.

[rose forge]

I love Fun but I hate Fun that doesn't work

[azure patrol]

Hornet is the cost that was too great

[light swan]

pretth much

[ruby agate]

SEE THIS IS FUCKING SICK

[queen acorn]

it is but like

[azure patrol]

Not the witch glazers again

[queen acorn]

no damage was done

cross stitch does damage

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[rose forge]

No witch is good

[ruby agate]

yeah but its hype moments and aura

[rose forge]

but witch is only there to be good. not be fun

[queen acorn]

true

[queen acorn]

witch is infact fun

[light swan]

witch animation cancels and reverse dash attacks and does crazy combos just to match wanderers regular spam

[light swan]

witch is fun not good, you got it the wrong way around

[queen acorn]

soul master i get it

[patent heath]

I'd Witch is more fun than good, to be honest.

[queen acorn]

ONLY time git gud is actual advice

[lavish apex]

witch normals are indeed hot ass but the dash attack is insane so people who learn it just focus on that

[azure patrol]

Chat who's cost was too greater?
Pale Chad
Cornet

[lavish apex]

or spogos

[ruby agate]

witch has my favorite pogo

its diagonal enough to be diagonal but straight enough to be fun to use

[queen acorn]

iframe pogo 🤤

[rose forge]

witch is good not fun, Actually it was only fun once that was the Beastfly Fight on far fields where it actually was a fun thing

[ruby agate]

sonnn can you tell me how

[rose forge]

Its still my favorite crest. FOR BEING GOOD

[patent heath]

My favourite Crest is Shaman. I really like spamming Silk Skills.

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[queen acorn]

i like beast :3

[ruby agate]

THIS isnt fun

[rose forge]

this chat is so based bro🙏🥹

[light swan]

why you keep sending my gif

[ruby agate]

because its funny lmao

[rose forge]

evreybody actually likes the GOOD Crests...

[queen acorn]

all crests are good

[severe schooner]

I like reaper TT

[queen acorn]

"wah wah but reaper is" shut the FUCK up

[ruby agate]

except reaper