sk-discussion

[unkempt steeple]

Uhm

[placid flax]

Ig its just your nature

[unkempt steeple]

Good

[strange knot]

Nah illusion is just goated

[unkempt steeple]

Slop game

[keen solstice]

Bro dived headfirst into the void 😭

[compact hemlock]

ts map complete?

[unkempt steeple]

Yes

[placid flax]

Yes prett6 much

No shit else to do

[compact hemlock]

ok so the mask shard isn't here oh my god thank god

[exotic cedar]

Lmao

[compact hemlock]

please tell me shitwater is complete also

[light swan]

yea im just naturally this awesome and charismatic

[light swan]

you’re missing half the map

[placid flax]

Almost i think

[tight viper]

Looks right

[compact hemlock]

ALKMOST??

[placid flax]

Yes

Exactly

[minor sparrow]

yeah yoy got the bilewater one

[unkempt steeple]

You haven't reached the bile sea yet

[fallen spoke]

guys ima use circlet for the first time in my life now cause everyone glazes it

[compact hemlock]

DUDE

[compact hemlock]

THIS IS LIKE HALF THE MAP </3

[tight viper]

Both Mount Fay ones acquired?

[exotic cedar]

Its gonna be life changing

[light swan]

almost!

[placid flax]

Ya bilewater is a fucked up area

[fallen spoke]

....yeah ok

[compact hemlock]

i think so

[unkempt steeple]

Bilewater is fhe only good thing about the hk series

[toxic vigil]

pimpillo stingshard weaver silkshot?

[compact hemlock]

man what the FUCK

[placid flax]

I am the master of hornets

[exotic cedar]

When i started to use circlet i became rich and succesful in life

[tight viper]

Wisp and Steps are both very missable as well

[placid flax]

Did hornet sentinel and protector on radiant

[strange knot]

Hi alpre

[exotic cedar]

HELLO

[rocky jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071533012879159458/1124052689903419422/image0.gif

[fallen spoke]

guys how do we abuse circlet like yall do

[exotic cedar]

Is this the best food ever?

[compact hemlock]

who the fuck said almost bro

[light swan]

yea, theyre the funnest red tools imo

[toxic vigil]

True!

[light swan]

stingshard is less fun but you can tell i hardly use it until i remember it

[light swan]

and witch crest but true

[tight viper]

Witch pogo

[light swan]

there’s a video showing surface level usage by envy youngblood on yt

check that out first

[strange knot]

WHAT THE FUCK WHY DID I JUST POGO VOLT VESSELS WITH WITCH POGO

???????????

[fallen spoke]

not the weirdo

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-grand-mother-silk-gif-13952615901513641049

[strange knot]

HUHHH

[tight viper]

Witch pogo interacts weirdly with non-enemies, could be because of that

[toxic vigil]

silkshong

[short trout]

Ngl some people here really overhate the wanderer

[strange knot]

HOLY PEAK

[light swan]

only because it’s less interesting than the rest

[tight viper]

I just think it’s boring yeah

[light swan]

finally, another W

[strange knot]

ANOTHER W FOR WITCH

[compact hemlock]

i'm starting to question if that bilewater map is legit

[toxic vigil]

yeah like
a lot of noobs use it so most people think its a noob only crest
i like it, i wish it was more interesting

[tight viper]

Every other crest interacts with your momentum

[light swan]

it’s not

[strange knot]

snail me

[tight viper]

Wanderer doesn’t

[keen solstice]

Jump

[keen solstice]

Who?

[tight viper]

Well there’s Tom

[short trout]

I personally don't like it's gameplay loop but it seems like a nice thing to try out and really any crest slander is cringe

[compact hemlock]

thank god

[tight viper]

It’s not genuine hate but still

[keen solstice]

Might be because I've become rarely active here but I don't see anybody hating on wanderer recently

[short trout]

Oh yea lemme just pull up the list I made

[toxic vigil]

honestly the only thing i hate is red tool spam
and the crest which centers around red tool spam

[tight viper]

I don’t even hate Wanderer, I just don’t like it

[keen solstice]

You know you can red tool spam on every crest except wanderer and shaman

[fallen spoke]

i really just died to skull tyrant trying to use circlet lmaaao

[keen solstice]

[short trout]

EXACTLYYY

[short trout]

True but it feels much cheesier with the architect crest

[keen solstice]

Did you unbind your bind button

[exotic cedar]

Everyone starts somewhere don't worry

[light swan]

i dont think anyone actualky slanders it, at least not the cool people

[compact hemlock]

shellwood is done right

[keen solstice]

Ehhhh not really unless the boss actually survives the first tool spam round lnao

[light swan]

i love every crest, i just love wanderer tje least

[exotic cedar]

Architect is fun if you don't use any red tools

[fallen spoke]

?? what will that do

[exotic cedar]

Needletect is amazing

[short trout]

I've seen a couple of people dislike it

[keen solstice]

Flintslate flea brew delver drill

[compact hemlock]

i wonder if it's the courier

[exotic cedar]

Shhh

[light swan]

i love the crest that centers around red tool spam becaue you don’t have to red tool spam and if you don’t it becomes fun

[exotic cedar]

Those red tools are like not spammy

[toxic vigil]

i mean if you don't its fun

[strange knot]

PEAK

[light swan]

it’s why i use pimpillo silkshot

[opaque sigil]

ie if you use the same amount of restraint you have to use for most other crests

[keen solstice]

I just combat misinformation here like wanderer being op and cheese when it's not cheese at all and is mediocre in general

[short trout]

Well why would you play Architect in that case

[exotic cedar]

If you spam tools it's not fun

[toxic vigil]

im sorry?
is this newest patch?

[keen solstice]

People like the 3rd red tool slot ig

[rocky jolt]

just use hunter at that point bro

[light swan]

it’s really fun and i dont like overgenerqlizing all of architect crest under red tool spam

[fallen spoke]

i guess ill watch it, even if its from the weirdo

[compact hemlock]

none of the couriers thank god

[exotic cedar]

Architect needleplay is amazing

[compact hemlock]

no but it's different, architect you can charge you can't change with hunter

[light swan]

did you guys know that the nyleth clip is possible on hunter witch reaper and beast crest ? it’s not architects fault itsred tools fault

[rocky jolt]

needle arts exist

[light swan]

you can’t charge hunter pogo or hunter dash attack tho

[toxic vigil]

not all but yeah

[strange knot]

No

[light swan]

the lack of silk skill makes you be really creative, for example using warding bell to parry

[rocky jolt]

theres no way youre using a whole different crest just because of those gimmicks

[compact hemlock]

HUH

[sharp slate]

crucify architects anyway!!!!

[strange knot]

This’d be too peak

[rocky jolt]

yea i use shaman for the range b ro

[compact hemlock]

there's all way

[light swan]

the pogo is super interesting and deals double damage

[keen solstice]

That is why if architect ever gets a nerf, the nerf should be directed to red tools, and not architect itself

[short trout]

I mean obviously people will use it for it's main intended purpose and not some niche needle trick that will pluck out +2 nosehairs worth of damage from the enemy or something like that

[light swan]

it’s interesting and different enough

[keen solstice]

Because architect itself literally doesn't really have anything special

[tight viper]

I use Shaman for its needle

[light swan]

exactly

[keen solstice]

It's just 1 extra red slot and the ability to refill tools

[rocky jolt]

you can still you know use the charged attacks along with the red tools

[strange knot]

Chat do you think volt pogo with witch could be useful anywhere

[light swan]

it’s different enough to be a fun playstyle

[keen solstice]

Meanwhile red tools themselves are just stupid OP which is why architect ends up stupid OP

[compact hemlock]

i give up i'll just do steelsoul

[light swan]

architect isnt the problem red tools are

[tight viper]

Red tools need a cooldown or something

[unkempt steeple]

Red tool slop

[short trout]

Yea agreed

[sharp slate]

honestly as its been discussed before, cooldown would solve most of it

[light swan]

why are we saying that architect has red tool spam and other crests dont?

[keen solstice]

Compare it to beast which is just stupid OP by default, it's not architects fault it's designed around the most stupid OP items in the game

[opaque sigil]

obligatory caring about how other people play a single player game is infinitely more cringe than using 'op' strats

[sharp slate]

yep just what i was typing lol

[short trout]

Cause Architect like completely caters to it?

[unkempt steeple]

But it bothers me

[toxic vigil]

i mean
3 red tool slots
but true

[light swan]

uhhh 1 extra slot is not that big of a difference

[opaque sigil]

change and grow as a person

[harsh yarrow]

real and true

[short trout]

That's valid actually

[unkempt steeple]

I play silksong why would I do thst

[light swan]

again, that nyleth clip is possible on 4 other crests

[sharp slate]

architects true strength tbh is with plasmium

[short trout]

Yea and refilling

[tight viper]

Unfortunately you were slower so I am taking sole credit for this idea, you are plagiarizing my suggestions and you must be destroyed

[harsh yarrow]

I dont get the hyper optimizing Silksongs combat, but least theres something to do there, unlike with HK where it was litterally just spells, nail 0, and shamans stone

[sharp slate]

for triple enemies i was running plasmium, volt vessels and one other depedant on boss

[light swan]

refilling is broken assuming you even get down to 0 tools

[compact hemlock]

steel soul time

[light swan]

you’re not forced to red tool spam on architect

sure it revolves more around red tools but saying that red tool spam is the entire identity

fucking pisses me off

[keen solstice]

You know what's funny
Refilling wouldn't be anywhere near as broken if you're using something like shakra rings and straight pin

[short trout]

Speaking of Hollow Knight I like how they made the defensive tools in silksong actually viable whereas in Hollow Knight most defensive charms were mediocre

[harsh yarrow]

yeah

[sharp slate]

optimizations for hk pantheons were pretty cool tbh

[harsh yarrow]

I will forever stand by that overall Silksong is the better game
There are areas where it does worse, but I think that overall it stays the better game ;3

[opaque sigil]

tbf if you literally never used the crest because you don't like red tools this is a reasonable impression until it gets challenged

[compact hemlock]

i want sk pantheon :(

[short trout]

I mean that one guy is correct I really shouldn't care and you should just do what you want lowkey

[keen solstice]

Even refilling flintslate and delver drill isn't broken

It's just the existence of tools like fucking voltvessels and curvesickles

[short trout]

Have fun

[harsh yarrow]

anyways, look at all thes aspi- aknids

[light swan]

it’s reasonable but it pisses me off and it’s kind of wrong

[opaque sigil]

it's 100% wrong architect moveset is super unique

[harsh yarrow]

Its a fun crest to use

[sharp slate]

tbh the best part of it isn't even figuring out optimizations its watching development . I remember when strats changed in p5 from no fury to fury and it was so awesome, it was optimal play style yet but evolution of game play is so cool

[tight viper]

Same with Shaman and spellspam

[opaque sigil]

you can also just not run the lame tools

[light swan]

no it’s fucking stupid and ass because all youre getting is 2 nose hairs shut the fuck. up

[harsh yarrow]

I overused it in my first real steel soul attempt, it carried me hard but Witch and Hunters Evo my beloved

[light swan]

just play hunter bro

[harsh yarrow]

And Shamans

[opaque sigil]

run voltvessels delver drill and flintslate

[harsh yarrow]

I wish Shamans wasnt an early act 3 crest

[opaque sigil]

yeah that's lame as hell

[hardy socket]

fr

[light swan]

again

[short trout]

Okay man jeez haha I gave up you should play how you want

[harsh yarrow]

I did figure out (with a bunch of help from the Cut Content team on the HK Wiki)

Shamans Crest got the same treatment as the Old Hearts

[twilit lichen]

Can you get max needle in act 2

[hardy socket]

you get to the stage where you've almost or already used up your memory lockss

[unkempt steeple]

No

[tight viper]

I get that Shaman kinda has to be accessible after the Snail Shaman reveal, but damn is it annoying

[short trout]

Relax it's not that deep why does my statement matter so much to you

[unkempt steeple]

The final upgrade is locked in act 3

[light swan]

because it’s a common sentiment and it pisses me off, as i said before

[unkempt steeple]

The flea festival only starts in act 3

[light swan]

i don’t care if it’s just 1 misinformed person

[sharp slate]

Definetely, i have basically never used it in a regular run, only in boss rush mod

hell for my first playthrough i think i didnt find it till after killing most act 3 bosses

[harsh yarrow]

It was a, what is now, late act 2 crest
...it was also the Weaver Crest, originally, all concepting for it call it a Weaver Crest
It was in Mount Fay, and it'd probably take Faydown Cloak to obtain, if not Harpoon

[twilit lichen]

Also why do people describe courier rasher as the pit of hell i did it second try

[hardy socket]

uhh

yeah me 1st try

[short trout]

A reasonable one to come to if you ask me but I can tell saying more will make you mad.

Like it's not that deep

[harsh yarrow]

But post 2021 they renamed it, and rethemed it, and it became the Shamans crest

[short trout]

I didn't mean to actually make you mad

[hardy socket]

probs bc they can't find a good route

[keen solstice]

I wanna see architect tool spammers start crying If pantheon uses shards

Because they don't know how to use architect itself

[opaque sigil]

boss rushes using shards would be pure cancer

[harsh yarrow]

Couriers Rasher was a fun time

[fallen spoke]

alright i give up i cant use circlet bro

[sharp slate]

people rush to quickly and get hit

[twilit lichen]

I literally used the blasted steps one in the wiki

[harsh yarrow]

it took me quite a few tries on the first run though, but it was genuinely enjoyable

[sharp slate]

there is so much time for the quest tbh

[harsh yarrow]

Moreso than the Flower Quest

[short trout]

Lmao that'd be brutal. Wonder how they'd do that

[hardy socket]

yeah idk

[twilit lichen]

Some people didn't do delicate flower

[vivid horizon]

Maybe because the knight is SO SLOW (except for C-dash)

[unkempt steeple]

Honestly I found delicate flower lowkey easy too did it in two tries

[keen solstice]

Make architect consume shards whenever refilling in pantheon just like how it does normally

[hardy socket]

yeah swift step was definitely a downside

[keen solstice]

First 3 bosses and they have already ran out of shards

[fallen spoke]

nice

[sharp slate]

flower quest is another pacience game, though is all about routing

[hardy socket]

to quests lik rasher

[sharp slate]

my flower quest route was cursed according to people

[tight viper]

I found it immediately after acquiring Silk Soar and revisiting the Shamans, I noticed that the ceiling looked weird during that first visit

[vivid horizon]

lost one of my runs because I bumped in a body of water

[hardy socket]

oop damn

[keen solstice]

Meanwhile beast would be unstoppable if team cherry doesn't nerd it before pantheons get released 😭 😭 😭

[short trout]

Personaly I hated how bumping into things while dashing and touching water did damage to it even though it was never specified that doing that will damage it

[hardy socket]

I used silkspeed anklets lol

[vivid horizon]

Me too

[tight viper]

Didn’t end up using it because I was committed to just keeping Hunters crest for everything I still had to do

[vivid horizon]

But it doesn't look like it's required

[tight viper]

But eventually I gave it a shot and fell in love with Shaman

[twilit lichen]

I doubt it,I heard the memory bosses or whatever they called i didn't reach them yet,don't think they consume shell shards no?

[sharp slate]

This was my flower quest route people look at me and go wtf

[opaque sigil]

huh

[proud plume]

guys should i go to act 3 or grind before?

[tight viper]

If you have stuff to buy, buy it first

[hardy socket]

its interesting

[tight viper]

Valid route

[short trout]

Speaking of the moveset I think I can speak for most people when I say it's pretty mid. The only thing that I'd say is good is the charge attack and who knows how few people actually use charge attacks

[tight viper]

Can’t remember which route I normally use

[sharp slate]

tbh i also take wisp thicket for couriers ration quest so.... xD

[hardy socket]

I think I went forgotten crss and then through to monomonss

[tight viper]

Unironically a great route

[light swan]

it’s weak but it’s fun

the charge pogos and charge dash attacks and warding bell parries

[toxic vigil]

i had to do basically this but in reverse for oro's flower quest from grave

[short trout]

I mean you do what you want man

[light swan]

i know a lot of people who actually do combat things and know architect can be fun and interesting

it’s not just me being weird

[opaque sigil]

I've barely used it casually and know that

[short trout]

Good for you man

[hardy socket]

speaking of crests

[opaque sigil]

no

[slender juniper]

What are the 8 fastest mask shards to get

[opaque sigil]

stop speaking of crests already this shit is ass

[hardy socket]

what u guys opinion of the most fun crest?

[toxic vigil]

hunter / wanderer for me

[slender juniper]

Kinda wanna try TE but 5 masked lost lace doesn't sound fun

[subtle lynx]

Fisherman

[toxic vigil]

but witch is pretty high

[tight viper]

I think I normally go through city to the Pilgrim’s Road gate, then through fungal into the Moss Chapel, then through the Gardens to the grave

[hardy socket]

oki lol

ig i'll wait for sos

[tight viper]

Shaman

[light swan]

witch by far imo

[short trout]

For me the Shaman crest is the most fun. Pogo is really good, I love the rage on the needle and I love using Silk skills.

[barren dew]

hi

[subtle lynx]

Wait it isn't out yet?

[hardy socket]

okay

[plush plover]

@barren dew

[subtle lynx]

Nvm then

[short trout]

And you?

[barren dew]

@plush plover

[hardy socket]

uhh

[plush plover]

hop uno @barren dew

[subtle lynx]

Ig hunter in that case

[short trout]

W

[barren dew]

UNO YESSS

[hardy socket]

I'm actually trying to learn shaman or beast idk which so yeah

[plush plover]

hop

[tight meadow]

Does steel soul achievement require me to beat gms or LL

[hardy socket]

yessssssss

[short trout]

For me the Beast playstyle is too basic and unreliable while platforming. The only thing I like about the Beast crest is actually hitting the pogo lmao.

[graceful cairn]

anything that gets you to the credits!

[hardy socket]

lol

[tight viper]

Probably Pebb, Jubilana, Fay Bench, Vaults, Wormways, Atla, Shellwood, Seamstress

[fallen spoke]

beast for bosses goes hard

[graceful cairn]

that includes using the snare on gms so its actually impossible to get the steal soul achievement from killing lost lace

[hardy socket]

ehh, yea

[hardy socket]

main thing is just going aggro ig

[sharp slate]

I think you would get it, other bosses are kinda like a check pre LL i assume

[short trout]

I get that but for me it's just kinda brainless other than the pogo

[hardy socket]

shaman is pretty nice

[short trout]

I don't care so much about what's most optimal I just wanna have fun

[graceful oyster]

I love Breast Crest ✅

[hardy socket]

thats what the game about lol

[short trout]

Real

Anyone wanna try out SSMP with me

[tight viper]

Shaman is fun

[short trout]

Kinda wanna see how it works

[toxic vigil]

ssmp?

[tight viper]

Check the SSMP discord

[short trout]

Silk song multi player

[short trout]

There's a discord for that?

Could you give me the link

[fleet zinc]

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT CRESTS

[short trout]

I think bro is a witch main in disguise

[tight viper]

DMs

[lean pendant]

Fun Fact: Coral are actually animals, not plants.

[short trout]

Why not, someone always has something interesting to say

[orchid spruce]

Huh, why are the Blasphemous 2 bosses so easy

I just beat ||Lady of Embroideries|| first try

[fleet zinc]

What’s the interesting thing this time

[exotic cedar]

My dumbass clicking any spoiler i see 😭

[tight viper]

Nah, I’m usually a floorless player but I’m not always in the air

[orchid spruce]

[short trout]

That this one guy is a Shaman main and is running 0 spells and just decimating Widow with animation cancelling

I'd say that's pretty interesting

[fleet zinc]

Hm. I might have misread the conversation lol. But last three times I’ve opened this chat today it’s just been “beast better dps wheee” mb lol

[short trout]

Yea good for you. I can't do that and there's nothing wrong with me not being able to or wanting to do it

[keen solstice]

It's pretty easy
Just pogo dash pogo dash

[short trout]

No

[tight viper]

There’s been a lot of that today

[short trout]

Ah that's a fair argument as well

[ornate perch]

Which tools would you use with 4 yellow slots

[graceful cairn]

SAME

[keen solstice]

Dice weighted belt silkspeed compass

[ornate perch]

Grip Dice Brooch Compass

[keen solstice]

Grip is useless

[toxic vigil]

satchel, belt, dice, and maybe bracelet if i want to no hit / barely get hit
if not then compass

[short trout]

Magnetite dice, weighted belt, the grip thing and compass

[ornate perch]

Because it sucks to be Wanderer tool wise

[tight viper]

Weighted Belt, Silkspeed Anklets, Spider Strings, Thief’s Mark

[ornate perch]

Spider strings to make flea caravan sing right

[sharp slate]

it sucks to be beast more tool wise tbh

[ornate perch]

Fair

[sharp slate]

1 blue is sad af

[keen solstice]

2 red tools 2 yellows
More than enough

[ionic stump]

nah one red is also good

[tight viper]

I’m a Rogue/Bard multiclass

[ornate perch]

I don’t use reds ngl

[ionic stump]

bc dps makes up for it

[keen solstice]

Especially considering the effects beast unfairly gets during bind

[ionic stump]

i use only some

[toxic vigil]

just died to stagger karmelita

[short trout]

Lmao

[ionic stump]

like conchcutter

[ornate perch]

Rip

[toxic vigil]

nah its not a normal attempt

[ornate perch]

For karm I like flintslate abuse

[fallen spoke]

NOOOO TWO ASS JIMS

[keen solstice]

Is there a savestate mod for silksong actually

[toxic vigil]

yeah there is

[tight viper]

Debug has them

[fallen spoke]

debug savestates are nice

[toxic vigil]

in fact i am using it to fight karmelita faster

[minor sparrow]

so

[tight viper]

There’s also a mod that increases total save slots

[keen solstice]

Because i don't wanna deal with karms gauntlet every singlr time

[sharp slate]

theres a mod that removes karms arena btw

[tight viper]

SkipKarmelitaArena

[ornate perch]

I’m needle focused so

[minor sparrow]

despite the fact that the mod isn't working correctly, lost sinner nails on base sinner moveset is pretty fun

[short trout]

Guess two cheeks aren't enough

[meager flint]

is this the place where i shoot load

[fallen spoke]

help- im getting crushed

[ornate perch]

And we all want you to come here

[orchid spruce]

i'm getting worried about blasphemous 2's length

i'm only really like 10 hours in and defeated ||2 out of 4 major bosses (I assume)||

but at the same time, i only have 6/55 achievements

[pastel plank]

am I the only one or does Sea of SORROW give off mourning and havoc from Blasphemous?

like MOURNING, SORROW

[short trout]

Also does the pantheon of pharloom freeze after dying/completing a boss for anyone else?

[ionic stump]

no

thats probably bc i dont have that mod

[pastel plank]

might be the case

[short trout]

That might be a good reason

[pastel plank]

Mine stops working when I get to moorwing

[onyx solar]

Yup, totally agree

[fallen spoke]

It happened to me too for a while

[pastel plank]

I'm not saying it's a rip off or anything just that they're similar

[fallen spoke]

i fixed it by sitting at another bench tho

[pastel plank]

and honesly I want them to feel similar

I want something like that in silksong

[onyx solar]

The cogworker dancers is by far the most tragic boss fight I've ever seen🥲

[fallen spoke]

i was sitting at fleatopia bench, when that was happening and when i sat on the bellhome bench it fixed itself

[orchid spruce]

silksong feels very inspired by blasphemous 2, not sure why, just feel

[pastel plank]

I really hope we get some boss lie that in silksong

[short trout]

Yea same thing is happening to me. Thank you

[pastel plank]

haven't played the 2, but I can definitely see the similarities between both HKs and the first blas

The slab with different keys

Not only does it look very similar to the prison from blasphemous, I believe it also has a transition to the mountain in blasphemous

iirc

also three visages taken from three sleeping figures

and us going into their dream

[fallen spoke]

guys what is going on with my game

[sharp slate]

glitch with the mod i assume

[fallen spoke]

yeah but its hilarious

[meager flint]

are the fleas carnivores by any chance

[candid kayak]

they eat meat I guess

[rocky jolt]

no moorwing is a plant actually

[fallen spoke]

hey what's the problem with eating fried moorwing...sounds delicious

[candid kayak]

at the final location they'll be roasting meat from a muckroach, or the moorwing if they collected it on their travels

[short trout]

Bro just decided to pitch in

[candid kayak]

yummy

[vivid horizon]

Yh

[fallen spoke]

and karmelita singing in the background and also fighting somehow...wait does she have a twin sister???

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/moist-moistcritikal-moistcrit1kal-penguinz-penguinz0-gif-6970813881893662375

[minor sparrow]

shes so fast she leaves an afterimage in the background

https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/586931790208434203/1490074603899326615

[polar burrow]

Silksong is never releasing 😭😭😭😭😭

[candid kayak]

LOL

[fallen spoke]

i see

[vivid horizon]

Fr

[short trout]

Sounds like another memento if you ask me

[vivid horizon]

Hey that's my phrase

[candid kayak]

did the second one start fighting after this?

[vivid horizon]

101%

[pastel plank]

the moorooty

[fallen spoke]

idk i just quit after that

[candid kayak]

awww

[pastel plank]

wish it was a mitemother

I would eat them

[candid kayak]

meatmother more like

[fallen spoke]

guys what silksong enemy looks the most delicious to eat

[pastel plank]

i wanna feast on these

[twilit lichen]

Do I need to cure cancer to get silk and soul cuz wtf man

[candid kayak]

big ball of meat

[pastel plank]

depends on the stage, you might still have time to finish it

(im sorry)

[mental snow]

Guess who just had a death that wasn't my fault for the 2nd time, and AGAIN, it was because of Shakra IN THE SAME ARENA

[orchid spruce]

yummy

[rotund gate]

silksong never

[pastel plank]

holy

[candid kayak]

complete a bunch of wishes, not all of them though
do shakra's wish
move fleas to final location

[fallen spoke]

aw hell nah

[twilit lichen]

How many fleas do I need to rescue for dat

[pastel plank]

17 wish points

[pastel plank]

22

[candid kayak]

like uhh... 22?

[fallen spoke]

no you have to cure cancer, stop spreading misinfo

[candid kayak]

yay I remembered

[twilit lichen]

I rescued half I think

[candid kayak]

22/30 fleas

also you need to visit the location they will move to before they can move there

[mental snow]

I was going to dodge the flying ant's spear and get a safe heal in. I was on one mask.

Shakra's attack literally boosted the ant upwards, just at the EXACT FUCKING ANGLE to where their spear wasn't in fact going under me, but at the exact fucking pinpoint of the height of my jump, to end yet another Steel Soul run before it could leave Hunter's March.

SO WE'RE STARTING AGAIN, I FUCKING GUESS

[pastel plank]

pretty sure you can't bypass the cursed ending while cursed

[candid kayak]

there's a flea you can find in ducts that sells you the locations of fleas you don't have

[twilit lichen]

Can you fight grandmother silk infinitely

[pastel plank]

also, you need to visit it WHILE THEY'RE AT THE GRAND GATE

[candid kayak]

...do you actually

[pastel plank]

It's important

[fallen spoke]

in act 2 yes but not in 3

[twilit lichen]

Like the radiance

[pastel plank]

Yes

[candid kayak]

does it not count if you visited it before then!??

are you certain???

[pastel plank]

I believe it doesn't

[pastel plank]

On my playthrough it didn't

[candid kayak]

that sounds painful

[pastel plank]

yes

[candid kayak]

you go all that way

[pastel plank]

it kinda was lol

[vivid horizon]

Yes

[candid kayak]

well hopefully you opened the bellway lol

[pastel plank]

I messed it up to be honest. I decided to the Mist route and it was a mistake

I thought you can skip the Last Judge by moving the fleas there, even though it seemed a bit awkward

Turns out you can't

[fallen spoke]

you cant

[pastel plank]

so it was kinda pointless

yeah, you can't, you need to defeat the Last Judge

[candid kayak]

so long as you don't complete silk and soul and play needolin instead of binding them

[pastel plank]

and then move the fleas there

[fallen spoke]

guys hot take : phantom is way harder than last judge

[short trout]

Damn this guy beat silksong nearly 10000%

That's no joke

[candid kayak]

since that would trigger act 3

[lean pendant]

Hornet has pretty good character development

[pastel plank]

At the very least I can say If you visit the pale lake before defeating the Last Judge it WON'T count

[candid kayak]

ehh I'd disagree

[short trout]

Take so hot I would be burning alive rn

[minor sparrow]

yeah that's a hot take

[pastel plank]

imo nah

[lean pendant]

Take so hot my mouth is burning.
https://tenor.com/view/hot-wings-hot-spicy-lick-damn-that-spicy-gif-16047700

[pastel plank]

I beat Phantom first try this time

[fallen spoke]

i know i know

[candid kayak]

phantom is smaller and easier to avoid

[sharp slate]

phantom was harder for me my first time tbh

[fallen spoke]

guys pls dont nuke me

[pastel plank]

and managed to die at the LJ with 2 upgrades 💀

[sharp slate]

phantom is quicker than judge

[candid kayak]

invite fail

[pastel plank]

sorry too late

[candid kayak]

I saw it lmao

[pastel plank]

they're already launched

[rocky jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071533012879159458/1096978117161123910/speed-12-1.gif

[pastel plank]

well, 380492340 more hours to go

[fallen spoke]

awwwww

[candid kayak]

when they throw their pin at you, stand NEXT TO the pin and hit them when they pull themself to it

[pastel plank]

is ts the SoS enemy?

I'm really curious to see what enemies will be there in SoS

[fallen spoke]

well heres another, widow is harder than last judge (im so cooked)

[candid kayak]

not sure, but

widow is definitely a skill check

[pastel plank]

widow is a boss

[candid kayak]

[icy crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1141865356235907132/1326040831609667615/image0-2-2.gif

[fallen spoke]

i didnt know thanks

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-trying-not-to-cry-edited-gif-15863611451915534607

[pastel plank]

in my personal experience, widow might've been the most dynamic fights in the game tbh

[minor sparrow]

relative to where you are, maybe

[minor musk]

no

[pastel plank]

AT that stage when I was playing for the first time

[candid kayak]

in terms of progression they're a bottleneck and you basically just have to get good enough to overcome them, there's no alternative

[pastel plank]

I was honestly shocked when I saw it

[fallen spoke]

wdym?

[candid kayak]

in terms of first encounter.... widow or last judge? hmm

[pastel plank]

It only took me two tries, but it felt very intense on the first playthrough

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSYkDgrTuEs

[candid kayak]

honestly I'm not sure

[minor sparrow]

i think LJ is harder obviously, but for what equipment you have, i could see widow being harder

[orchid spruce]

Huh, I beat the third major boss of Blasphemous 2 in 10 tries. I honestly think this game is a little too easy??? 😕 😕

[fallen spoke]

idk last judge was the 2nd easiest act 1 boss in my first playthrough

[short trout]

Anything I could do to get cleaner gameplay? I feel like I am doing alright but is there any cool spell tech I could use or some other shaman tech?

[pastel plank]

It really depends

[fallen spoke]

yes i took more tries for bell beast than judge

[pastel plank]

I wish I could experience the game for the first time again

[fallen spoke]

same

[pastel plank]

imo blasphemous is very easy

[candid kayak]

I have this evil video saved

[pastel plank]

haven't played the second part

but the bosses in the first part are very easy imo

but they look epic

[candid kayak]

dunno how exactly you pull that off but you can probably reverse engineer it

[pastel plank]

this is so cool honestly

[pastel plank]

2 in one ahh soundtrack

[short trout]

Yea that looks pretty cool but really impractical to do cause of the finger positions

[candid kayak]

mm

[pastel plank]

bone bottom, hk theme and graymoor are killing me

[orchid spruce]

that's disappointing

[pastel plank]

they're the best soundtracks in the world

[lean pendant]

Fun Fact: The rain in Greymoor is made of silk.

[pastel plank]

alr we already got crows and pigeons in Silksong, what's next?

[lean pendant]

Lobsters

[minor sparrow]

none of the above

[lean pendant]

What animal is Crust King Khann?

[pastel plank]

fun fact:
How Greymoorians feel about this fact:

[minor sparrow]

i could maybe see a frog, but everything else nah

[pastel plank]

I'm pretty sure you already have

[pastel plank]

I just realized that all of these pictures are mine

[short trout]

Yea I'd love to see a doorknob in Sea of Sorrow

[light swan]

learn cooldown cancelling

[short trout]

What's that?

[pastel plank]

me too

[fallen spoke]

i really want a stickbug boss fight for some reason

[orchid spruce]

Ah, this is sad. I don't think I'll walk away with any memorable Blasphemous 2 boss except maybe a final boss

[fallen spoke]

stickbugs are so cool

[pastel plank]

we already kinda have them

prolly no boss like that

[orchid spruce]

The game's too easy, such a shame its combat system is really good

[icy crow]

A crab pretty much

[atomic dagger]

Don't want to sound cheesy or anything but I just want to say how much I appreciate this game coming out. It is like easily going into my top 3 favorite games of all time. Like it is legit one of the best games I have ever played and helped me through such a rough time last year. Playing it the first time was one of the best experiences I have ever had in gaming and I am loving it even more my second time

[fallen spoke]

sister splinter doesnt count

[pastel plank]

I mean honestly I see no reason why they wouldn't add some new bosses to older locations

but idk

[fallen spoke]

its my favourite game ever so..they cooked

[pastel plank]

would be cool

[lean pendant]

Fun Fact: A cat co-authored a physics paper under the name "F. D. C. Willard" (Felis Domesticus Chester Willard).

[atomic dagger]

I didn't think I could love silksong more than hollow knight and I can confidently say I do

[short trout]

Oh I already tried that no way in hell can I actually pull that off

[pastel plank]

this is my favorite game of the life

[fallen spoke]

same

[pastel plank]

it was the most anticipated game for me

[proud plume]

guys help, sherma aint going to whiteward

[pastel plank]

I've never waited so long for anything to come out

[leaden delta]

ss is A Game

[fallen spoke]

i got hk because of silksong hype..i regret not getting it earlier

[atomic dagger]

Thats a very good choice tbh. If Terraria and maybe Majora's Mask didn't exist it would be my top

[pastel plank]

I believe you should complete more quests

[proud plume]

i have done all except shermas

[vivid horizon]

Lost verdania

[vivid horizon]

Bro left sherma's, GO DO IT!

[atomic dagger]

Oh me too. Tears of the Kingdom was and then it came out and disappointed me. Silksong I waited 6 years for and was in love from beginning to end (well not really end because I am stuck on lost lace)

[proud plume]

wdym shes still at song clave

and i have done all other quests

[vivid horizon]

Lost verdania was so beautiful it nearly made me cry

[leaden delta]

tbh I was expecting more esp in comparison to hk

[fallen spoke]

sherma is a guy

[proud plume]

well idk then

[atomic dagger]

Yesss Verdania is beautiful

[fallen spoke]

verdania best area

[graceful cairn]

me when I'm trying to enjoy the nice scenery but the shit ass fucking terrible gameplay keeps getting in the way

[proud plume]

so what should i do know?

[leaden delta]

ykw at least that game has hunters crest though

[vivid horizon]

The enemies suck in verdania

[graceful cairn]

yup

[proud plume]

sherma aint going

[atomic dagger]

For me it was the Citadel. Legit almost cried when I reached the center for the first time. The way it feels so alive but dead at the same time and the beautiful music as well

[naive jasper]

guys me and crust king khann had a divorce (im zotes and brettas husband now)

[fallen spoke]

aside from palestag and escalions, verdania is perfect

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-true-silksong-hollow-knight-truebbio-gif-4872516641731648376

[vivid horizon]

EW PALESTAG

[pastel plank]

hmmm not sure

[vivid horizon]

Js let me hit you 😭

[minor sparrow]

i don't remember seeing flying frogs but ok

[proud plume]

wait....

[atomic dagger]

I kept telling people that I wanted to silksong to reach my feeling of entering city of tears for the first time and silksong managed to do that

[fallen spoke]

architect crest, cogflys, curvesickle and voltvessels (thank me later)

[proud plume]

i havent gone to whitaward my self...🤡

[minor sparrow]

consider that groal is just a big bitch

[vivid horizon]

Alr did the fight dude

[lean pendant]

Does a circle have one side, no sides, or infinite sides?

[atomic dagger]

Like when I tell you that there is not a single expectation that silksong broke for me

[pastel plank]

do you remember seeing spiders with wings?

[vivid horizon]

Pi

[minor sparrow]

where

[pastel plank]

ahahahaha

[icy crow]

Baldur's Gaming 3

[lean pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-pie-dessert-pie-food-gif-11076903047904035201

[vivid horizon]

Oh boy what flavour

[pastel plank]

this

[atomic dagger]

Yeahhh but at least Palestag is pretty

[proud plume]

3.1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679

[lean pendant]

Pi flavor.

[exotic dome]

✅ ✅ ✅ fact checked by Hollow Knight: Silksong Original Soundtrack by Cristopher Larkin - Lost Verdania (1:17 timestamped)

[atomic dagger]

I love palestag's astetic

[vivid horizon]

Glow ⭐

[pastel plank]

my favorite area transition is Far Fields to greymoor

I think it was very surprising

[fiery burrow]

True

[atomic dagger]

I'm autistic I love the glory things 😛

[pastel plank]

why is it terrible?

[vivid horizon]

THE ENEMIES

[atomic dagger]

Oh most definitely

[exotic dome]

teleportslop

[vivid horizon]

THEY JUMPING MEE

[minor sparrow]

shes wearing a cloak that gives you wings and is also a demigod

[naive jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-hollow-knight-cute-gif-7692674196895968263

[fiery burrow]

I think its cool how all of the bonelands transition very smoothly and then once you reach a new tier of Pharloom its a very sudden and jarring entrance (but still with a lot of build up)

[minor sparrow]

that's like the worst example you could have given

[fiery burrow]

Then it goes back to smooth transitions

[atomic dagger]

Mine is Shellwood to Blasted Steps. When I tell you I was NOT expecting that transition

[vivid horizon]

God damn these blasted steps!

[atomic dagger]

I didnt think we would have a desert area in a hollow knight game

And Last Judge is such a fun fight

[naive jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocking-face-black-guy-shocked-meme-shock-face-gif-8343101863982452804

[slender juniper]

The world litteraly being 75% dessert

[atomic dagger]

Huhh?

[slender juniper]

Do you not know about the dunes

[steep jolt]

technically the wastes could be rock

oh shit i should change my name

[atomic dagger]

Oh do you mean irl?

[graceful cairn]

the enemies are annoying and its also just a giant area with nothing interesting honestly

[slender juniper]

Did you not watch the begging cutscene?

[graceful cairn]

and palestag and clover dancers kinda suck

[slender juniper]

They literally bring hornet through the dessert

[short trout]

It's not terrible gameplay it's just tedious

[slender juniper]

That's most of the hollow knight world

[steep jolt]

clover dancers is fun but palestag is absolute ass

[atomic dagger]

Oh I missed that detail

[chrome gate]

Have any of you played the needle in next to the songclave merchant

[atomic dagger]

It still surprised me though for it being in the explorable map area

[steep jolt]

go on the wiki for dialogue

im pretty sure she talks about being a grumpy piece of shit tho

[short trout]

Cover dancers are a bit boring imo. Their gimmick is pretty cool once you first fight them but it's too predictable imo. Nice fight but nothing too memorable in terms of challenge

[atomic dagger]

I hope we get patch 5 for PS5 soon

[short trout]

Actually wait no

[chrome gate]

Yea lmao

[pastel plank]

it's gay

gay memories

[short trout]

I thought you were talking about the robot dancers

[atomic dagger]

I want to silksoar from moss grotto to blasted steps bad

[slender juniper]

The point of blasted steps and sands of karak is that it was once a coral gorge but then the citadel ordered too much AI RAM

[steep jolt]

do it then

[slender juniper]

And chatgpt dried it up

[graceful cairn]

doesnt make it a good area 😭

[steep jolt]

you can silk soar through scene transitions

[fiery burrow]

If you make a gay area and its bad does that make you homophobic 🧐

[steep jolt]

no

[atomic dagger]

Sounds about right 😂

[steep jolt]

also lost verdania is peak if it wasnt for the ass shit runbacks

[atomic dagger]

Do yall have a favorite boss?

[graceful cairn]

lost verdania is peak if it didnt have all of the bad stuff

[steep jolt]

yes groal

[atomic dagger]

I am very respectfully disappointed in your decision 🤣

[slender juniper]

Gaywork clankers

[graceful cairn]

probably last judge or karmelita

[steep jolt]

mount fay is peak because its litterally the peak of the kingdom

[atomic dagger]

I am going to be boring and say Cogwork Dancers or Last Judge

[graceful cairn]

the surface is higher imo

[atomic dagger]

But those 2 were peak design

[graceful cairn]

can we even count that as pharloom actually

[steep jolt]

yea but like mountain peak

[fiery burrow]

The one that's like a dance

[steep jolt]

nobody says surface peak

[graceful cairn]

surface is peak...

[steep jolt]

surface is mid

its carried by lore 100%

[exotic dome]

it's a nice optional area

[slender juniper]

What even is pharloom is it just a large big ass hill

[steep jolt]

wait wisp thicket to underworks is the worst transition

[exotic dome]

why does wisp thicket exist

[steep jolt]

its a cult

[pastel plank]

yes

[atomic dagger]

Karmelita would be higher for me if you didnt have to fight enemies before every time. I would give silksong a whole half a point more if once you fought the arena before a boss you didnt have to clear it every time

[slender juniper]

Flame daddy

[graceful cairn]

wisp thicket is doodoo garbage

[pastel plank]

i mean seriously speaking, I agree

[exotic dome]

grand father flame

[pastel plank]

the teleporting enemies are just awkward

you can't really predict them

especially the arena

[graceful cairn]

fair

[pastel plank]

no

[slender juniper]

Half silk issue half reasonable

[minor sparrow]

Lost lace

[atomic dagger]

Like once you fight the arena before a boss it is permanently cleared and every time you fight the boss you just fight the boss

[exotic dome]

true, it's still my favorite boss in both games

[minor sparrow]

boring pick i know, but still

[pastel plank]

hot take, there's too much Lace

[atomic dagger]

...I still can't beat her. She is a solid boss but I like Lace 2 more

[slender juniper]

Hot take: there's too much silk and song

[graceful cairn]

skill issue...

[pastel plank]

true

[atomic dagger]

Very much a skill issue

[minor sparrow]

eh

[icy crow]

There's too much Zotes and boats

[exotic dome]

hot take: there is no shaw

[atomic dagger]

Lost Lace is so hard

[graceful cairn]

waiter my steak is too juicy and my lobster too buttery

[pastel plank]

I hope there will be a new ending added in one of the DLCs

Lace 4 gang

[exotic dome]

plasmified lace

[minor sparrow]

90% of the gauntlets are free

[slender juniper]

Let me guess you're using reaper

[icy crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228020505668354080/1446362399614435429/image-1.gif

[minor sparrow]

even with reaper LL isn't harder than usual fym

[atomic dagger]

Hunter

[pastel plank]

I think Lace does work as the final boss narratively, but not as much from the perspective of how epic it is imo

[atomic dagger]

Still can't beat her though 😆

[slender juniper]

They should really make it more obvious reaper doesn't do more damage

It's basically a noob trap

[pastel plank]

Like the fight is good and all, but I feel like it's not as impactful to be the FINALE

[graceful cairn]

W

[pastel plank]

I would say the same about the GMS to be honest

[minor sparrow]

i think that's pretty subjective. I really like LL as a final boss honestly

[atomic dagger]

I still love Reaper don't get me wrong but for fast pace bosses I use hunter for better mobility. I also love witch crest

[minor sparrow]

very fitting for the end of the world

[slender juniper]

Reaper ...is it doesn't do anymore damager per attack and the bind effect ends on getting hit

[pastel plank]

I guess the problem is that throughout the game there wasn't really anything pointing at how the GMS will look like, and when I got to her it was like

[minor sparrow]

for some reason

[pastel plank]

yes, it's entirely subjective

[slender juniper]

So you get like, one or two extra silk

[vast grove]

happy birthday steven

[steep jolt]

pharlooms folly but its pretty hard to make the connection

[pastel plank]

or it also might be just me building my own story in my head as I was going through the game lol

[fiery burrow]

Does it work narratively

[pastel plank]

not really tbh

[atomic dagger]

I still like reaper because of air time, further range, even though it ends when you get hit if you don't you get a lot of silksong. I like the bounce you get when you pogo. Its not my favorite crest but still useful in some ways

[fiery burrow]

Its a very roundabout way to end the black threading idk why you didn't just fight GMS again I think they just wanted a third lace fight

[lapis dune]

Wait yall don't like the reaper crest?

[graceful cairn]

you could say the same about radiance

[lapis dune]

Like fr?

[pastel plank]

I mean you can make the connection after seeing the GMS, but I don't think you can really get at the way she looks just by reading it

[steep jolt]

its a poem about gms to gms by one of the conductors simping on her

[pastel plank]

not really to be honest

[steep jolt]

oh yeah but i feel like the suprise is nice

[minor sparrow]

nah i kinda agree, in terms of building up the boss, HK did it better with radiance for example with her being tied to the moth tribe and her statue in peaks, but even then she's not too shown

[graceful cairn]

but theyre both still good final bosses

[slender juniper]

The problem with the pogo it's even more delayed than the attack

[minor sparrow]

I like reaper, I don't like how TC handled it

[slender juniper]

So you don't get to use it as much in boss fightd

[pastel plank]

yes, but I think you can't really draw an image

[steep jolt]

yea ik

[graceful cairn]

I think part of what makes radiance good is how it appears in the fight tbh

[minor sparrow]

i was fighting karmelita earlier and I somehow managed to get hit, parry, and hit the boss on the same pogo

[atomic dagger]

Ye very true but also in some boss fights that doesn't hurt anything especially ones that aren't super fast pace or don't counter above them

[pastel plank]

there were things hinting at how the Radiance looks like throughout the game

and you might not notice them ofc

[steep jolt]

i love this place i feel like it implies that the wastes can be rocky instead of just sandy dunes

[fiery burrow]

Rad also looks cooler don't @ me

[minor sparrow]

im pretty sure you can only see the radiance like twice iirc

[fiery burrow]

There's like nothing quite as cinematic as the climb phase

[pastel plank]

If anything I'm not saying I don't like the GMS design at all. It's just that in my personal opinion both "final" bosses of SIlksong in my opinion don't seem as important and as meaningful

[steep jolt]

yea there is

[pastel plank]

true, but there's nothing really pointing at GMS

[minor sparrow]

in terms of in-fight gameplay? yeah I agree

[pastel plank]

honestly, for the entire game I thought there wasn't even any monarch in Pharloom

[minor sparrow]

ok that one's just on you

[pastel plank]

Because most NPCs don't even mention her

[pastel plank]

Yeah, that's true

[steep jolt]

i wish there was a citadel statue thing but it cracked and you could see gms emerging from it

[fiery burrow]

GMS has the screams, the haunting, Lace 2, and Ballador's dialogue, which is enough in terms of buildup imo but I get not enjoying her design

[steep jolt]

cuz its modeled after gms cocoon if im correct

[minor sparrow]

nothing hints to gms' actual design, but there are many things pointing towards her little cocoon in the cradle though

though it does make sense as not many people in the kingdom except the weavers have actually seen gms

[pastel plank]

I mean my personal issue is that I feel like there are too many elemenets in Silksong that make it harder to really piece it together than it was in Hollow Knight. You can see effigies and mummies of the Weavers, but the Citadel itself doesn't really have any weaver specific symbols, or GMS specific symbols

Like everything is just so mixed up imo

It makes the figure of the GMS less significant because she is practically not being treated as a queen

[fiery burrow]

Atla feels so unimportant despite being one of the biggest parts of the lore

[pastel plank]

in any way pretty much lol

[pastel plank]

Honestly we don't really know who Atla is lol

[fiery burrow]

No like the weavenest

But Atla is probably First Sinner

[pastel plank]

Oh

yeah, I think that too

[orchid spruce]

oh my god, the silksong community is waking up. finally came to accept silksong's narrative is not good

[minor sparrow]

i think it's more because GMS isn't as much of an active force as in HK

[pastel plank]

It's not that it's not good

I didn't say that

[orchid spruce]

literacy on the rise

[meager flint]

no not this again

[fiery burrow]

The Citadel is well written its just that the presentation kinda falls flat and Act 3 is Act 3

[orchid spruce]

[sharp slate]

I dont think anyone ever really praised silksongs narrative that much tbh

mechanics are primary focus of silksong tbh

[pastel plank]

Yeah, I understand that. But in my personal opinion the lead-up to her is not really impactful, again. The Citadel looks more like a very broad system, rather than a kingdom

[fiery burrow]

The glaze for red memory was real after launch

[quiet pasture]

Sculebrice

[minor sparrow]

i wish red memory got a longer segment

[orchid spruce]

Silksong's story was glazed so much on release, oh my god

[minor sparrow]

but idk how to do that without it feeling really jarring

[exotic dome]

nobody praised silksongs narrative that much ever

[orchid spruce]

And I was standing there, "eh am i the only one who felt nothing"

[pastel plank]

I personally think there are too many unnecessary details that make it too hard to build the timeline. We literally got 4 different eras of the Citadel: GMS, Weavers, Conductors, GMS again

and we don't really know which elements were built when

[slender juniper]

They litteraly just Blackified lace

[fiery burrow]

Why does this matter though

[orchid spruce]

The devouts would not shut up about how intricate and deep Silksong's theme is and they namedrop a few topics like

[fiery burrow]

Silksong isn't really a game where a clear timeline is super relevant

[minor sparrow]

understanding the world???

[fiery burrow]

HK didn't have one either

[quiet pasture]

I don’t know if you can say “blackified”

[slender juniper]

Yes I can

They did

[graceful cairn]

hey lace you cant do that thats racist

[exotic dome]

presentation of final bosses are fine imo thats not the problem

[slender juniper]

Why is lace doing blackface tf

[pastel plank]

I mean there are very well thought-through aspects, like the evolution of maggots

[slender juniper]

[fiery burrow]

Well we know the citadel used to be simple and unadorned then the conductors took over and gilded everything up and also created cogwork core

[minor sparrow]

not of her volition

[fiery burrow]

GMS never ruled the Citadel until the current day and its not like she's renovating it

[minor sparrow]

which is kinda funny

[minor sparrow]

im not agreeing that we don't know when things happened, I was just confused by why you asked why it matters

[pastel plank]

Because it changes what certain things mean. Some suggest the Weavenests were built to hide from GMS before she was overthrown, some others suggest they were built when she was already in slumber to find a way to potentially combat her in case she wakes up or to sustain her capture

[pastel plank]

Depending on which explanation is true, the meaning of these areas changes

[fiery burrow]

Its the first one we know that like 100%

[pastel plank]

The purpose of them being there changes

[orchid spruce]

There are details that deserve praise. One I was most impressed by was the hidden away welcome robot. But it doesn't change how meandering and unfocused Silksong's narrative is. Especially with the mess that is Act 3.

[pastel plank]

I think that too but I think you can make arguments for both

[slender juniper]

No they're just...weavernests

[fiery burrow]

But you can't really

[slender juniper]

It's just...weaver construction

[fiery burrow]

Where they all found ways to escape GMS's rule yeah

[slender juniper]

Tf she even do

[fiery burrow]

Atla was making the Citadel Cindril was fleeing Murglin made guns Karn was uhhhh

[pastel plank]

Weavers were exploited by the GMS, so them being able to build structures of their own and conduct experiments there is an important part of understanding what they were or were not allowed to do

and when they were doing taht

I don't think the GMS would allow them to do that

[fiery burrow]

Good question

[slender juniper]

No cuz like what the fuck did even gms do

[graceful cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-he-even-do-what-does-sog-even-do-soggy-cat-soggy-sogger-gif-10306303544645107519

[slender juniper]

Like be fr weavers just lost an argument and got too mad

[fiery burrow]

Her reign was called web and service eternal but what that entails isn't really clear except for uhh maybe the Widow cutscene who knows they clearly rewrote the story like 5 times 😭

[pastel plank]

made the weavers by evolving pharlids

and told them they're like her

[slender juniper]

...and? okay shouldn't they thank them

[pastel plank]

like gods

[pastel plank]

she lied about their origin

[fiery burrow]

There's not really any indication that that was why they rebelled though

[pastel plank]

she called them her children, which they practically weren't

[slender juniper]

Cool,is that a reason to poison your adoptive mother for lying to you

[orchid spruce]

The daughters-mothers aspect should've been pushed harder in Act 1 and 2 so Act 3's final encounter with Lost Lace doesn't fall so flat. The dream bosses also aren't very related to the game's themes.

[graceful cairn]

adopted

[slender juniper]

[fiery burrow]

If anything Weavenest Atla believed it since they believed themselves to be divine (Except for Atla herself who was likely First Sinner)

[pastel plank]

I think it might've been a bit of an overreaction on their part

[exotic dome]

nyleth has 0 lore

[fiery burrow]

The game doesn't have anything interesting to say about motherhood though

[slender juniper]

Yes an "bit"

[pastel plank]

Honestly I still don't really understand what "for her Eternal our song sustains" means

Does it mean they sustain the song to keep her ASLEEP, or is that the song they were forced to play by her?

[orchid spruce]

It had potentials to tell a story about breaking the cycle of abuse, but it didn't take advantage of that potential, at least competently enough

[pastel plank]

regardless of what it was, it's still important to understand why they would build the weavenests, and why they would want to hide from her

[fiery burrow]

Silksong fans when the good mother is good and the bad mother is evil

[graceful cairn]

LMAO

[slender juniper]

Like okay but why did they need to build the entire fucking citadel and ruin a whole kingdom to flee from their abusive mother ,that's the same energy as bombing your state to leave your household

[pastel plank]

cause the lore tablet in Atla says "This low, her gaze escaped. Prepare, sisters. Weave hope anew."

[pastel plank]

So apparently they wanted to find a place where she wouldn't see them

[orchid spruce]

GMS abused Weavers, Weavers abused GMS, GMS abused Lace and Phantom, Lace betrayed GMS and now Hornet is here to end the cycle. There was so much missed potential.

[fiery burrow]

Yeah that's true and its an interesting parallel to the Citadel

[slender juniper]

• Gms abused phantom, she's just transphobic lace has self inflicted depression type shit

[fiery burrow]

Idk if they'd need more examples of motherhood for that to be the case nor do I think motherhood should be the big thing focused on in comparison to the Citadel which is the main setpiece

[pastel plank]

I'm not excusing the Weavers. In fact, it seems like the Weavers were blaming the GMS for making them this powerful. There are multiple suggestions that the Weavers are just naturally prone to want to be in power, even Hornet has this trait. FS says she is "Cursed WITH Silk, cursed BY Silk". It seems like they don't want this power

[orchid spruce]

The reason Act 3 fell apart was because of how irrelevant Act 3 dream bosses were and how the focus shifted to motherhood at the end suddenly while Act 2 was primarily focused on the Citadel

[fiery burrow]

Yeah def

[pastel plank]

kinda agree

I feel like act 3 dream sections were pretty random

ngl, I wouldn't have found Nyleth prolly

I had to look up where she is lol

[slender juniper]

Are we not gonna talk about how she huffed some shaman shit and then hallucinated a flower?

No?ok

[pastel plank]

cause I don't really know how anyone would guess that you need to go back to that elevator and do a silksoar there

[slender juniper]

Erm it's akshually kinda obvious

[pastel plank]

she got it from her memories

[fiery burrow]

I kinda singled it out by deciding to check out all of the surrounding regions

[exotic dome]

i somehow found it but thats a rare case

[slender juniper]

Which she hallucinated

[rocky jolt]

Me when things happen in fiction

[pastel plank]

no

[fiery burrow]

It wasn't in shellwood and it wasn't in blasted steps so it had to be in underworks or grand gate

[pastel plank]

not really

[slender juniper]

Yes she hallucinated the fucking flower into the existence

[pastel plank]

what I really dislike about this whole dream/memory thing is that it seems to be a different realm from the dream realm from the first game

[slender juniper]

If hornet isn't on edibles then explain how she hallucinates lace in act3

[pastel plank]

MAYBE

[exotic dome]

guys we added a new ability for act 3 and we need to add some use cases for it

[fiery burrow]

Its not

Just a different aesthetic which is weird but whatever

[graceful cairn]

looks completely different

[pastel plank]

but why not add them tho

it would make so much more sense

now we don't know if it's the same thing or not

[slender juniper]

Either lace teleported or she imagined lace there for the aura

[pastel plank]

so does that mean that you can theoretically play the elegy of the deep to the HK and see Radience again?

[slender juniper]

Probably the latter

[fiery burrow]

Memories are dreams and its a memory so its a dream

[pastel plank]

😭

[fiery burrow]

That's kinda just what was established in HK1

[graceful cairn]

yeah that I dont understand at all ngl

[pastel plank]

Honestly

Might be blazing take

[slender juniper]

No you'd see depression

[pastel plank]

infernal take not just hot take

but I think TC doesn't know any of ts

[exotic dome]

looks at an empty wall "...i remain a daughter of hallownest"

[orchid spruce]

that's a comfortably cool take

[pastel plank]

I was a bit dissapointed by what they said in an interview, when they called the HK universe a "world of silly bugs"

but it sounds like that's the spirit

[slender juniper]

Be fr , this is the FNAF incident,they added to mask maker in silksong just to shit with game theorists

[pastel plank]

like they may not really know all of these lore things that well and may not even think them through that well

[slender juniper]

It's the same way that FNAF is horribly written but the fans adapted the story to make it good

[fiery burrow]

That's the setting yeah

[pastel plank]

That I actually don't think

[fiery burrow]

But like they wrote a magic system and reused it in the second game idk why it would be retconned

[pastel plank]

But the mask makers aren't that deep either imo

[proud plume]

eny recc before act 3?

[exotic dome]

it's not that horrible yet

[slender juniper]

You should cuz Scott can't write shit

[pastel plank]

no, I agree that FNAF is horribly written

[orchid spruce]

Hollow Knight was vague and simple enough. Silksong was a little too ambitious and absolutely fell short

[pastel plank]

I would even go as far as saying FNAF is not written at all lol

[exotic dome]

fnaf is mid

[pastel plank]

there's no fixed lore or story

[graceful cairn]

real

[fiery burrow]

In the flesh way better than Act 3 on god

[pastel plank]

like it was already pretty clear that mask makers make masks needed for the bugs to have a personality

[south garden]

Pretty much, just like Undertale

[slender juniper]

He just makes up a random murderer that randomly kills 5 kids with no characterization or reasoning and people turn it into 50 page fanfiction about trauma and despair

[raw pawn]

Fnaf is about staying 5 nights at Freddy's obviously

[exotic dome]

five fixes at flicks

[pastel plank]

I think there's nothing surprising about there being a mask maker

[rocky jolt]

AMERICANS.

[pastel plank]

fazgoo 👀

[graceful cairn]

go talk to that lace guy about it he'll go make up some bullshit to make his view of the lore work imo

[slender juniper]

Fazshit

[pastel plank]

ahahahh

[raw pawn]

Hollow knight is voidslop /j

[orchid spruce]

😂

[pastel plank]

faz mpreg