sk-discussion

[violet canopy]

Again?

[austere lotus]

I'd recommend getting captured and seeing if you can reach anything else you couldn't before, and if not trying the double jump

Just make sure you've done everything you can in far fields, there's this one gliding section that's a nightmare to do if you've gotten the double jump

[coarse berry]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight-silksong/clips/mrjtigHNWyLVKxEuM?invite=cr-MSxBTzEsNDA0OTc4MzMy&v=0 is this time good yall think

[violet canopy]

Is it the one part I haven’t been to?

[narrow bramble]

Hop on that weavernest and get those anklets

[foggy anvil]

dlc when

[violet canopy]

That what and those who?

[void moat]

this year

[narrow bramble]

Makes u run faster but spend silk

[foggy anvil]

😔

[austere lotus]

I don't really remember honestly

[patent cosmos]

It’s yuri time, featuring human versions of Hornet and Shakra!

[violet canopy]

Sounds like it could help with those deliveries

[normal bramble]

Clawline is my favorite ability in silksong and it’s not even close

The amount of movement it allows for is just insane as well as the ability to play offensive it also allows for

[austere lotus]

I think the biggest problem with it is how underbaked the initial tutorial is

You have to get used to clawlining and then jumping for platforming

[sage glade]

can you summarize this image

[normal bramble]

I consider Mount Fay your claw line tutorial

Or cogwork core ig but

Mount Fay is a better one

[sage glade]

why does clawline need a tutorial

[patent cosmos]

Hornet getting flustered by Shakra

[sage glade]

press button to move

[normal bramble]

Because it’s a tool that actually takes some getting used to

Or well I’ve seen a lot of people need time to get used to it

[sage glade]

fair enough. i feel like double jump after getting the umbrella skirt is worse and needs more getting used to

[normal bramble]

I feel like that’s something that hurt me more when going back to no double jump

[sage glade]

it's like spicy food, hurts in all directions

[normal bramble]

I spent around 50hs with faydown so when I started my uh next playthrough

I got hit like 20 times trying to faydown

While in like the marrow or smth

😭

[sage glade]

moss mother hitlessful

[crisp heron]

hey guys in 2025 i had a huge crush on muffet undertale for months hows it going

[solemn lotus]

Yeah I was joking

[fallow sorrel]

Guys maaassive question wtaf is hello alex since im about to get flamed for not knowing it and (ironically) calling big chungus funny in the same conversation

(Hornet qoute btw)

[austere lotus]

Spiderbortion achieved

[austere lotus]

I don't know what the fuck you're trying to say big dog

[fallow sorrel]

Alright alright so i got flamed for saying big chungus is funny ironically. I then posted a picture of mario and someone said hello alex
I am now about to get flamed because i dont know current humour

[finite swift]

CITY OF STEEL TOMMOROWO

[minor plank]

Sea of sorrow tomorrow

I have faith in team cherry

[crisp heron]

Sea of sorrow was just confirmed for april 2nd

[scarlet karma]

YURIII

[heavy arch]

are any of the actual devs on this discord server

[fallow sorrel]

Yeah, me, ask away

[quartz cave]

Yeah they are
At least ari and william

[fallow sorrel]

Wait what

[quartz cave]

The owner and an admin were silkson playtesters aswell

[next turret]

I have tormented trobbio so gosh darn much

[tight viper]

Tier list

[vast grove]

is this the real william (i set it so i do not ping him)

[sage glade]

you missed the blue boss

[tight viper]

which one

[sage glade]

under there

[graceful cairn]

accurate lugoli placement

[tight viper]

beneath what

[sage glade]

can you write in simpler words, i'm learning english

[tight viper]

below what

[sage glade]

um

[vast grove]

under where

[sage glade]

under the C tier oh wait he's actually there already, my bad

[vast grove]

oh i thought u were trying to make him say underwear

[finite swift]

crawfather sat on me and i died

[tight viper]

lol

[wind dagger]

#ITSHOULDHAVEBEENME

[sage glade]

MADE YOU SAY UNDERWEAR!!

[zinc wharf]

I did this just now.

[trim estuary]

can u move Crawfather up a tier

[tight viper]

I can't, not yet at least

[tight viper]

That's a lotta drills

[zinc wharf]

Indeed, a lot a lot of drills.

[minor plank]

Unraveled in s is criminal

[zinc wharf]

Now I just gotta refine it until I can do it hitless (after their screams ends because I’m not going to gamble until I get lucky enough for the Driznits to not hit me during the scream).

[tight viper]

Unravelled is peak

[minor plank]

Whatever you say

But nyleth above Seth?

Really?

[tight viper]

yep

[undone gate]

I would put them both in the same tier

[minor plank]

Seth is definitely the better fight though

Lowkey the best boss in the game

[tight viper]

Seth's second phase is triggered too late into the fight

[zinc wharf]

Raging Conchfly glaze is why this heart still beats.
Also Signis and Gron in S tier is the truth this Discord doesn’t want to hear about.

[waxen remnant]

how?

she is glorified flappy bird

[tight viper]

I also love how Nyleth removes the floor

[undone gate]

And most of his attacks are just counted by jumping

[waxen remnant]

but then again its fun to beat her with cross stitch

not more fun than seth though

[undone gate]

Yea it's cool for a boss like Nyleth

[split lodge]

I wish the third game has second sentinel as the playable character

[undone gate]

Why is LL not in S tier

[tight viper]

Visually unpleasant

Left side of the arena is bad

Very bad

[undone gate]

Personally I never had any major problems with visibility against LL

[split lodge]

There should be an SS tier for second sentinel

[tight viper]

eh

[zinc wharf]

I don’t like the arena in general - it’s way too big, there’s too much space between Hornet and Lace at times.

[undone gate]

I should re fight Second Sentinal since I don't know what people like so much about it

[split lodge]

Big arenas kinda only work for big enemies like 4C, last judge, and GMS

[zinc wharf]

I wish they instead went the opposite direction and made LL’s arena smaller than the previous fights, it would be a lot more fun that way.

[undone gate]

LL teleports so keeping the arena larger allows her to be more dynamic

[split lodge]

Fighting cool robot ✅

[zinc wharf]

Not sure if this counts but I also like Raging Conchfly’s long arena.

[undone gate]

Fourth Chorus has a small arena

[zinc wharf]

She could still be dynamic with teleports while having the arena itself not be twice the size of an American football field.

[split lodge]

For the limited mobility options early it does seem so

[zinc wharf]

Heck, make the arena small enough such that she can teleport in from the walls, that would be cool.

[undone gate]

It's like way smaller than Moorwing arena

[split lodge]

If hornet has fay cloak or clawline it hits different

[exotic dome]

watcher at the edge appreciation

[undone gate]

I just think of it as a cool boss

[last marten]

Can we get Christopher Larkin to make a full version of the Architect's Melody, I want to listen to it so badly 😭

[minor sparrow]

My discord wasn't loading and your name just said frito. I was heavily distubed

[minor sparrow]

It's really only that left corner, but I usually stay away from it naturally

[tight viper]

Frito

[tight viper]

It can be avoided, but it just shouldn't be that way to begin with

[minor sparrow]

Eh. I don't avoid it because it's bad visually. I avoid it because it's bad positioning wise

I hate being cornered in a boss fight

[tight viper]

fair enough

[zinc wharf]

I personally avoid the entire arena because I do not like the Lost Lace fight in general. Lace 2 clears.

[minor sparrow]

No, fourth chorus arena is pretty small. Vertically not as much but that doesn't really matter

[minor sparrow]

I significantly prefer lost lace over lace 2, just because of how the boss moves amd attacks

LL amd PV are up there for my favorite bosses because of their pacing

Same reason I like First sinner

[zinc wharf]

Lost Lace’s attacks being faster than Lace 2 is amazing, and the void tendrils add a lot to her attacks. If it was just those 2 things, I think I’d prefer Lost Lace.
Then phase 2 happens and that all goes down the drain, her void attacks that aren’t tendrils don’t do it for me.

[minor sparrow]

Though I'm not sure why it doesn't transfer to nkg to me

[undone gate]

This is my boss tier list it is not ordered inside tiers

[minor sparrow]

Idk why I just never liked that fight

[zinc wharf]

Might it be because of NKG’s modularity?

As in, NKG does an attack, you dodge it, get in a few attacks, then he teleports, and repeat.

[minor sparrow]

I actually like the opening of the void blobs. Their spacing is pretty nice and feels better to deal with than other void enemies

Such as like lost garmond

[undone gate]

NKG just has very little variance

[minor sparrow]

The tracking ones I'm iffy on as it's quite a bit of downtime

[undone gate]

You mean the projectiles

[minor sparrow]

But she's realistically not doing it more than 5 times the entire fight so I'm not too bothered by it

[minor sparrow]

They're both projectiles

But yes

[earnest drift]

those are the only rng-heavy attack lost lace uses

[zinc wharf]

I don’t like that opening because it feels too much like a spell-caster-like boss, as in once you’re out of the attack’s threat zone, you’re free to wail on her. I don’t like that, it goes against what I like about Lace 2 (and phase 1 LL).

[undone gate]

Her spawning Void Tracking Projectiles from the air is her hardest attack

[earnest drift]

technically the moulinet attack is rng but it’s easy so who cares

[minor sparrow]

The phase 4 one?

[earnest drift]

yes

[undone gate]

Like I never got hit by it to see the 3 mask damage animation when I first beat LL

[minor sparrow]

Ah

[minor sparrow]

It's actually pretty cool, but no one gets hit by it

[earnest drift]

I still like the projectiles from the sky because sometimes it means I get to use down dash to dodge it

[minor sparrow]

Unless im playing like a dumbass on refight

[undone gate]

I like GMS 3 mask animation a lot more

[minor sparrow]

Idk it doesn't feel too out of the ordinary because it functions similarly to her uppercut attack where you just wait it out then punish her

[minor sparrow]

Fair

[earnest drift]

did you hear the theory that gms is blind and by tracking hornet through the spider web is the only way she can catch her and go all out, hence the triple damage

[minor sparrow]

She does have a surprising lack of a face but I haven't considered that

[undone gate]

Yea I have heard of that Theory

[zinc wharf]

I mean yeah, but since Lace moves a lot more during that attack, the amount of time you spend in roughly the same position wailing on her is a lot less.

[zinc wharf]

Yeah, it’s a cool theory.

[minor sparrow]

Idk, once she comes down with a dash you get like 2 or 3 hits on her for free

I think it keeps the boss from being completely boxed into a certain niche and that kind of amplifies it for me

[zinc wharf]

That’s limited to one attack though, compared to the 3-4 of those she has as LL (which might leave even more of an opening, but I’m too lazy to check).

[undone gate]

Lace 2 has very little variations if you know how to counter each of her attacks she becomes really easy

[zinc wharf]

That’s fair enough, the attempts to expand from that niche didn’t work for me personally, though.

[minor sparrow]

Im confused as to what you mean by that. They're functionally the same attack with the exception of the void glob ones

It's just that she can end several of her attacks with an uppercut

Which is the same one as before

Her tendril attacks usually don't have a bunch of time to attack from my knowledge unless you were already close to her

[minor sparrow]

Which I think she usually only uses tendrils if you're far from her anyways

Amd then i haven't experimented much with the tracking void things

[undone gate]

I like how her void attacks have high areal denial while having some downtime so you can hit her

[zinc wharf]

Lace 2 has the aerial dash as an attack which leaves her particularly open. LL has that, alongside the upwards-tendrils, void sawblades, and void spears (as a result of those attacks not immediately threatening the area directly)

[minor sparrow]

It's actually probably easier to bait out the downward dash in lace 2 than LL since she doesn't have as many options

[zinc wharf]

Oh yeah, it’s much easier to cheese Lace 2 with that, but it still feels more like a duel, IMO.

Also I should clarify if isn’t clear - I’m not trying to argue LL is a bad boss, just that I personally don’t like her.

[undone gate]

For me Lace 2 just has too little variations to be as fun as LL

[minor sparrow]

Upwards tendrils kinda depends on her positioning since she can do them from anywhere on the map, sometimes when she isn't on screen like when she falls into the void, but I ki da get what you mean to an extent

[zinc wharf]

The crux of my distaste for LL is ultimately “Lace 2 = duel, LL = less duel”

[minor sparrow]

I can agree on that, but I feel as if LL is just the more dynamic fight, if that makes sense

[undone gate]

Yea it's like NKG is more like a dance than PV but PV is more dynamic than NKG

[minor sparrow]

Yeah probably. It's like a game of tag but for keeps

[balmy cave]

I’ve been putting off bilewater long enough time to suffer I guess

[zinc wharf]

I absolutely understand, LL has more stuff to do, so there’s more that you have to do to keep up, I just don’t like that stuff’s implications on the larger fight.

[minor sparrow]

And then he does his flame pillars and just takes 4-5 hits for no reason

[minor sparrow]

Understandable

[tacit relic]

I found all the fleas.

What next?

[minor sparrow]

Congrats

[zinc wharf]

Bring the end times.

[minor sparrow]

There should be a wish in bellhart....eventually

[tacit relic]

How long should it take?

[minor sparrow]

They have world sense they're already in A3

[zinc wharf]

After a certain amount of progression.

[tacit relic]

I already finished all the quests.

[zinc wharf]

Fair, I’m just blind.

[tacit relic]

How much progession do I need?

[minor sparrow]

Not entirely sure, you might just have to pop back in every once in a while

Let me check the wiki rq

[tacit relic]

Oh okay!

[minor sparrow]

Did you recieve an item from mooshka?

I can't spell rn

[minor sparrow]

K

[tacit relic]

What am I missing?

[minor sparrow]

I forgot if you talk to him or return back to bellhart but you should get another wish

[zinc wharf]

Come back some amount of time later

[undone gate]

Did you buy everything from Shakra

[zinc wharf]

Like after sitting at a different bench maybe?

[tacit relic]

YES.

[rocky jolt]

ARCHITECTS. They only think about shell shards. They're TOOL SPAMMERS.

[tacit relic]

There should be a corrupted architect boss fight.

[cerulean sable]

Legalize and Legitimize Drill Architect builds

[zinc wharf]

Absolutely, Architect has the best (IMO) Needle Strike.

Nothing hits quite the same as running a gigantic drill through your enemies, plus it reminds me of Great Slash my beloved.

[cerulean sable]

Its so fuckk g badass

[ornate perch]

The only good thing she’s realistically done is finishing her pilgrimage

[cerulean sable]

Massive hitbox, good lunge, and how short the frames are makes it good for crowd control

[supple peak]

which tool works the best with pollip pouch?

[undone gate]

Cogflys

[supple peak]

what about throwable ones like threefold and straight pins

[undone gate]

Those are also really good with pollip pouch

[supple peak]

i used threefold with ppouch against trobbio and it seemed to work quite well as it covered most of the arena

i would consider using straight pin because it has so many uses but it's less accurate

[sharp slate]

Tacks could be decent with pollip as well boss dependant though, trobbio eats tacks for breakfast with tornado xD

[brave geyser]

Just beat symphony of the judge all bindings
Clawline is fucking GOOD

[sharp slate]

eyo nice

i dont know how i feel about no silk skill binding, still cool challenge though

[brave geyser]

i thought it was gonna make it extremely boring but lowk

Clawline combat is good even though i only use it at the end of every attack

[sharp slate]

i might have to try ab again next time i revist boss rush

[brave geyser]

Also for some reason clawline is the only thing that still gets buffed by hunter

And it does 2x your needle damage

[sharp slate]

thats funny actually goated

[zinc wharf]

I think Rosary Cannon gets the biggest percent damage boost, but only if you fire 1 rosary at a time.

[cerulean sable]

Reaper should lean into the defense part

[formal scroll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1476778102855041155/1482760992046842032/devious.gif

Hello sk discussion

[formal scroll]

https://klipy.com/gifs/how-fast-1

[sharp slate]

and back to brainrot

[sharp slate]

All i feel is pity

[spare isle]

Groal the Great

[prime vale]

I just 100% skong

[twin summit]

That's my cousin, how do you know him?

[modest stirrup]

Gj

[violet leaf]

Garamomd NOOOOOOOOOOOO TwT

[surreal cradle]

Gooood morning my bickering bipeds

[violet leaf]

Morning TwT

Team cherry is diabolical

[surreal cradle]

What did they do

[violet leaf]

First cogwork dancers, then conchflies and now garamond

[cerulean sable]

Omori shouldve been a tactical looter shooter

[violet leaf]

Also groal

[candid kayak]

garmond and zaza (whispering vaults rooftops) is commonly regarded as the hardest boss fight in the game

[tight viper]

true

[glacial kelp]

hey i think you forgot to heal, since you died in one hit. hope this helps!

[brave geyser]

Chat iam so fucked

(look at my masks)

[indigo oyster]

w for moblie i was also a member

wdym by that

[civic island]

Nvm

[indigo oyster]

whats a school shooter

[civic island]

Super fun btw doing it every day

[indigo oyster]

ok.....

[silk monolith]

shooter I hardly know her

[indigo oyster]

you live in usa right

[civic island]

Chat Austria is super beautiful

[civic island]

No

[indigo oyster]

than what that shooting main in usa

[civic island]

?

[indigo oyster]

like school shooting

mainly in usa

[civic island]

Bruh wth u talking about

[cerulean sable]

Can you not

Like seriously

[indigo oyster]

whats Bliewater

wth you mean by come to hell or bliewater

[civic island]

Holy bro havent you played the game

[indigo oyster]

just came to act 2

[civic island]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-bruh-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-higuruma-higuruma-hiromi-gif-3841012065452512308

[brave geyser]

Nerf zango all bindings

[patent heath]

Riff on the phrase "Come hell or high water."

[civic island]

Bro is still innocent

[quartz roost]

This is a chat with a lot of spoilers so you know

[indigo oyster]

wth you mean

[civic island]

Spoiler about bilewater are the more you know

[silk monolith]

if you go to sinners road youll be a sinner

[civic island]

So you can survive

[indigo oyster]

i went there it was easy

[silk monolith]

you're a sinner now

[quartz roost]

I mean; this chat allows all spoilers so you will get spoiled here

[indigo oyster]

oh.

[quartz roost]

Lock them up in the slab!

[silk monolith]

if you go to monster.com you become a monster

[indigo oyster]

i kill them all

[civic island]

Worse than alkatraz

[silk monolith]

where do you think has more slime the slab or alcatraz

[quartz roost]

Second sinner (you) VS first sinner

[indigo oyster]

im just go now what hell is alkatraz

[silk monolith]

usa prison

[indigo oyster]

what did do bad

https://giphy.com/gifs/adidas-hollow-knight-hornet-Bd8ZuJDjRR2AVxjZyp

damn cant use gifs

[quartz roost]

You went through sinners road, which marks you with the mark of a sinner

[placid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[quartz roost]

To the slab you go!

[quartz roost]

You need 300 messages

[indigo oyster]

it not that hard

i died like 3 time max

[quartz roost]

So you're a monster? How would you know this without looking it up

[quartz roost]

Not the point lol

[silk monolith]

if you go to monster.com you become a monster

[indigo oyster]

beast creat good or bad

[placid anchor]

ok im curious now

[quartz roost]

Is this you?

[quartz roost]

SPECTACULAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[placid anchor]

DONT DO IT

[silk monolith]

I dont support terrible brands im not a monster

[indigo oyster]

how.

[quartz roost]

Okay. So you're this?

[indigo oyster]

just how

[quartz roost]

How isn't it?

[placid anchor]

tf is that?

[indigo oyster]

hm the pogo

[quartz roost]

Some random gid

[placid anchor]

gid

[quartz roost]

Practice and it's actually really good

[placid anchor]

👍

[indigo oyster]

you can guess what i use it the most basic

[quartz roost]

Wanderers

[indigo oyster]

bango

[quartz roost]

Me smart :)!

[brave geyser]

Actually impossible boss on all bindings

[indigo oyster]

yo

[patent heath]

Impossible boss in general.

[indigo oyster]

you use mods

[quartz roost]

Okay so... You use the phile

[patent heath]

For the life of me I can't dodge his spits.

Second hardest boss after Shakra.

[brave geyser]

Crimson my fucking spool is gone how would i have a phial 🥹

[earnest drift]

Shakra isn’t that hard

[indigo oyster]

idk who what he is but im go cuz i dont any more info

[earnest drift]

she’s quite consistent if you don’t go too high up

[quartz roost]

Just get a phial anyways

[patent heath]

She's the hardest boss in the game.
All others are too easy.

[quartz roost]

Bye

[patent heath]

Except Zango.

[brave geyser]

Crimson iam in the fucking pantheon they won't let me just leave 🥹

[quartz roost]

??

[earnest drift]

nah just time clawline so that you can parry her ring and hit her at the same time

[quartz roost]

Beat the pantheon and come back with the phial

[earnest drift]

she’s easier to consistently no hit than savage beastfly imo

but you do need to rely on parries

[brave geyser]

Okay and to beat the pantheon i have to kill zango first

[quartz roost]

Beast fly is really easy to no hit if you learn the beast pogo strat

[earnest drift]

and Shakra is even easier than that

[quartz roost]

Okay, just beat it real fast and come back lol

[brave geyser]

Crimson iam on all bindings he literally heals double my damage per second

[earnest drift]

as long as you don’t go too high up in the arena because then she telefrags you

that’s the only issue I have with her fight

[quartz roost]

Phial

[brave geyser]

crimson all bindings doesn't allow tools

[quartz roost]

Non tool phial

[brave geyser]

where

[quartz roost]

It's not a thing lol. Well Zango makes that impossible

[quartz roost]

Actually if you abuse clawline you might be able to out DPS the heal

[earnest drift]

would you consider Shakra to be a parry-focused fight

[quartz roost]

Hmmm, not really

[brave geyser]

I know clawline does double my damage but when will i get to use it

[earnest drift]

no hitting her makes parrying the rings pretty much necessary

[quartz roost]

Do you mean because of silk use or openings? Also if you combine nail and clawline you can do even more I think

[quartz roost]

I barely parryed my first playthrough against her

[earnest drift]

did you get hit a lot

[brave geyser]

Openings

[quartz roost]

I don't recall

[brave geyser]

I no hit shakra and i don't think i parried her at all

[quartz roost]

It's been a few months

[earnest drift]

you just dodged the rings?

[quartz roost]

Yeah, that's what I did I think

[earnest drift]

hm

did it take you a long time to beat her that way? because you weren’t hitting her often

[brave geyser]

I just dashed away everytime she was about to throw anyway, because even when they ricochet sometimes they just pass through you

[earnest drift]

I’m pretty sure their hitbox turns off after hitting the floor

[undone gate]

I don't like Shakra as a boss she isin't fun

[earnest drift]

that strategy works but I find parrying the rings to be good for staying aggressive and beating Shakra faster

[earnest drift]

I am the only Shakra bossfight enjoyer

[quartz roost]

Deepnest or Bilewater? For me Deepnest since it's my favorite HK area

[earnest drift]

Bilewater, both areas have great vibes but Deepnest has terrible platforming

[quartz roost]

How dare you

[undone gate]

What do you enjoy so much about Shakra

[orchid spruce]

Bilewater is better designed

[quartz roost]

I like bilewater a lot too, but deepnest I like a bit more

[earnest drift]

majority of deepnest’s rooms are long hallways with enemies and no platforming

it’s a glorified labyrinth

[brave geyser]

I died

I was fighting zango for 10 minutes god 😭

[earnest drift]

timing my attacks with hers so that I can parry her rings while hitting her at regular intervals

timing clawline to parry her ring and hit her at the same time

Shakra encourages clawline a lot and I love clawline

she also greatly discourages spamming red tools

[quartz roost]

Why must you make your name this?

[undone gate]

I rarely use Clawline so I don't find her that fun

[orchid spruce]

I spammed red tool on her to get it over with

Bad boss

[earnest drift]

which tool

[orchid spruce]

Can't remember, been months. Cogflies was probably one of them.

[earnest drift]

cogflies always works

[brave geyser]

I thought it was gonna be cool and awesome but now i feel very cringey and boring

[undone gate]

Fighting Karmalita Itemless made her way more fun for me

[tacit relic]

Why is flea bounce so hard?

[quartz roost]

Oh... You gave me much confusion earlier

[undone gate]

I found Flea Bounce to be the easiest of the 3

[tacit relic]

Like... how?

I think dodge was okay.

But I keep messing up the bounce.

I'm terrible at pogo..

[lavish apex]

which is sick

i'd probably agree that bilewater is more fun though

[earnest drift]

i prefer bilewater from a gameplay perspective

also i find groal fun

at least moreso than nosk

i'm going to no hit shakra now

[orchid spruce]

Deepnest has that awful enemy that gets placed in every tunnel imaginable

That alone makes Deepnest far worse

[earnest drift]

fighting them with nail 0 was a pain

[lavish apex]

those are fine

[tacit relic]

Lace deserves you.

[earnest drift]

what does that mean

[lavish apex]

i think they add to the vibe a lot

[earnest drift]

being face to face with a car sized beast in a narrow tunnel, waiting for it to decide to burst out and tear you apart so that you can get a single hit in

[lavish apex]

they're kinda like stilkin

[orchid spruce]

There should be a balance between "vibes" and gameplay

[earnest drift]

sometimes i just don't use cross stitch during shakra's fight because she's so fun to fight without it

[orchid spruce]

It comes across as self-important when gameplay is sacrificed for vibes or messages

[earnest drift]

radiance

actually radiance doesn't have messages so nvm

[orchid spruce]

invisible orbs

every final boss gotta be visual hindering

[lavish apex]

the invisible orbs got patched lol

doesn't really excuse the fact that they stayed in the game for 7 years

[orchid spruce]

really?

[lavish apex]

but it did happen

yeah with the recent wave of updates

[earnest drift]

wait i thought that was intended

[orchid spruce]

i downpatched the game to be able to use lumafly

i will check out

[lavish apex]

it was not intended

[lavish apex]

i mean personally i think they're fine in gameplay

[earnest drift]

perhaps all of lost lace's attacks will get bright white outlines in 10 years

[lavish apex]

or
wait
are you talking about devouts?

and not the smaller ones?

[orchid spruce]

idk the names

the giant one with giant swings

[lavish apex]

devouts are the huge guys with mask sword things

ok yeah that's fair

i thought you meant the burrowing ones

[orchid spruce]

I have no recollection of a burrowing enemy so that means they weren't all that annoying

[earnest drift]

they are very annoying

[lavish apex]

i do think devouts are good for vibes but they're fucking miserable to fight

[earnest drift]

but they're fine

[lavish apex]

i think there are a lot of silksong enemies that are like a similar tier of annoying but surprisingly none of them are in bilewater

[earnest drift]

i have a file just to fight shakra over and over

[orchid spruce]

ducts and abyss have the worst enemies

[undone gate]

The worst Silksong enemy in my opinion is the Deep Docks Explotion Enemy which just shoots bouncing things which explode and is immune to pogos

[earnest drift]

what is gargant gloom's hitbox like

[narrow dagger]

everyones favorite boss is either first sinner, lost lace, or Karmelita\

change my mind

[lavish apex]

flintflame fliers are horrendous yeah

[undone gate]

Those are my top 3 bosses

[narrow dagger]

told ya

[earnest drift]

i love lost lace

karmelita is my third favourite

[undone gate]

I should try LL Itemless

[orchid spruce]

Lost Lace is mid for a final boss but still a pretty good boss

[undone gate]

It's better than Base Radience

[orchid spruce]

for sure

[undone gate]

Is your 2nd favorite Shakra

[twin summit]

thank you, shakra

[earnest drift]

shakra is my 8th favourite

she's at the very bottom of my S tier

[undone gate]

Just tell your top 10 favorite bosses

[earnest drift]

only silksong or hk and silksong

[orchid spruce]

8 S tiers

[undone gate]

Only Silksong

[lavish apex]

i agree from a pure gameplay perspective

[orchid spruce]

That's not how S tier works

[earnest drift]

my top ten are
lost lace, lace 2, karmelita, first sinner, widow, phantom, second sentinel, shakra, tormented trobbio, seth

[narrow dagger]

my favories are 1:PInstress 2:Karmelita: 3: First sinner 4:Seth 5: Shakra 6: Phantom 7: Tormented Trobbio

[undone gate]

I mainly see from a pure gameplay standpoint

[earnest drift]

i have found the only other shakra enjoyer in the world

[undone gate]

It's a pretty good Top 10

[narrow dagger]

I love shakra, shes based, shes a queen, other shit.

[earnest drift]

and what do you like about her bossfight

[narrow dagger]

also Pinstress is such a good fight, she has this little shit to her fight

[earnest drift]

oh pinstress at number one

uhm

[orchid spruce]

pinstress is the best silksong boss for sure

[undone gate]

Pinstress in 1 is crazy

[earnest drift]

i like pinstress too but having her at number one is unexpected to say the least

[narrow dagger]

i like that she is able to give me a headache while being graceful and anime fight scene like

[lavish apex]

pinstress the character is cool, pinstress the fight is miserable ass

campy little shit rat

[earnest drift]

three of them are in S+ tier

my tierlist spans from S+ to F and includes E

[timid valve]

wow peak

[undone gate]

My top 10 is

1. LL
2. First Sinner
3. Karmalita
   Then Seth,Nyleth, Crust King Khann, Tormented Trobbio, GMS, Last Judge and Phantom in some order

[graceful cairn]

hey @orchid spruce whats the name of the 9sols boss ||that comes after lady ethereal and has the pink goo spike shit on him||

[twin summit]

we making a boss tier list?

[narrow dagger]

quite based

[orchid spruce]

||The Fengs|| nine sols spoiler

[graceful cairn]

rightt thanks

[earnest drift]

so much at the top

LOST GARMOND ENJOYER? LET'S GO

[twin summit]

all so good

[narrow dagger]

oh hell nah, father of the flame is the shit, b teir at most tho

[undone gate]

I just like Act 3 bosses a lot

[earnest drift]

i need to move father of the flame down in my tierlist, i only put it in C because of how much better than flukemarm he was

[orchid spruce]

yeah, Act 3 has some good bosses 👍 4/5 my top 5 bosses are from Act 3 though I still dislike Act 3 heavily because it's shit

Karmelita, LL, Seth, Nyleth

[undone gate]

Exploration in Act 3 isin't great but I mainly care about bosses so Act 3 was pretty good

[narrow dagger]

i just started hk today, i hate it, i will not answer questions

[earnest drift]

...does absolute radiance really deserve to be in my top five

[undone gate]

This is my boss tier list it isin't ordered between tiers

[earnest drift]

bell eater is so gahhhhhhhh

fighting a massive armoured centipede that shakes the earth is so AWESOME

and then it stuck its butt out to poop

[earnest drift]

6000% aura lost

[earnest drift]

what even is this

why is there clothed hornet and naked hornet

[twin summit]

tier list

[undone gate]

I hate Bell Eater because of the amount of Patience required for the boss and in general it isin't fun

[orchid spruce]

MAJOR nine sols spoilers, MAJOR mio spoilers

my tier list

[twin summit]

mostly jokes, like being racist to that one skarr i put him in d

[undone gate]

Nine Sols True Final Boss is so good and the hardest boss I have fought that isin't modded

[narrow dagger]

I have a fucked up idea

[orchid spruce]

[narrow dagger]

what if hornet was a masochist

[brave geyser]

Ok ew pale nails suck i hate pale nails

[earnest drift]

guys does sly suck

[brave geyser]

Not worse than rune rage but bad

[brave geyser]

Sometimes

[undone gate]

As a boss or as a NPC

[earnest drift]

as a boss

[brave geyser]

B tier boss

[undone gate]

It's a decent spell what's so bad about it

[brave geyser]

Maybe high C

[undone gate]

It's a pretty good boss

[brave geyser]

Casually misses if it feels like it

I'd rather use sharpdart or silk spear tbh

[narrow dagger]

og hk has the terrible exploriation

[undone gate]

It only misses if the enemy is far from you or not in front of you

[narrow dagger]

and dumb enemys

[earnest drift]

isn't silksong's exploration worse

[brave geyser]

Define far

[toxic vigil]

Hi

[brave geyser]

I was like half a clawline away from savage beastfly and 2 of the nails missed

[earnest drift]

silksong has more areas but the acts are designed so that by act 3, there's hardly anything left to explore

[orchid spruce]

Silksong exploration is worse than Hollow Knight

[toxic vigil]

Nah they are okay

[earnest drift]

except deeper docks isn't necessary until act 3

[narrow dagger]

its great what you on

[earnest drift]

and sands of karak isn't necessary until act 3 either

[vast grove]

im guys hi just so talking i get can image get perms

[toxic vigil]

You only really get grand gate shellwood, karmelita far fields, memories and abyss

[brave geyser]

Hi karak

[undone gate]

I don't really know how Pale Nails tracking works but 90% of the time if the enemy is in front of you it should hit all it's nails

[toxic vigil]

Pale nails miss if you spam palenails btw

[brave geyser]

Yea idk iam just not gonna use it

[earnest drift]

feels like they should've just made more areas act 3 exclusive because there's a bunch of areas that are only needed for act 3 but are available in act 2

[timid valve]

Trail's End requires all maps to be bought

[earnest drift]

oh right nevermind then

[toxic vigil]

You need to atleast get to shakra

[vast grove]

do u guys think they will buff the first sinner silk skill thing

next update

[undone gate]

Maybe we don't really know Team Cherry

[earnest drift]

so exploration is the only major thing that hollow knight does better than silksong

[toxic vigil]

Personally i think pale nails are 3rd or 4th best

[toxic vigil]

Platforming

[vast grove]

hopefully

[undone gate]

Silksong platforming is better than HK

[narrow dagger]

what i meant is , the reason why exploration is bad in Hk is because the movement is so ass

[earnest drift]

silksong has consistently better platforming but hollow knight has one area with really good platforming

[orchid spruce]

Silksong platforming is better than Hollow Knight

[toxic vigil]

Cogwork core is the only thing id say is better

[earnest drift]

movement is different from exploration

[toxic vigil]

There really only is mt fay and upper cogwork core tbh

[narrow dagger]

it made exploration hard

[undone gate]

Silksong has all the unique types of platforming in multiple areas while HK only has White Palace

[narrow dagger]

i would go in one room, take 30 seconds to leave

[orchid spruce]

Tiktok-infested brain

You can power through the slow early game until you get Dash

[narrow dagger]

i got dash it wasnt that better

[earnest drift]

the casual platforming in bilewater, high halls and some other areas being of good enough quality makes silksong's better imo

[timid valve]

They did.
Now, if you get interrupted, you won't lose silk

[toxic vigil]

Platforming to sheo also exists

[earnest drift]

dash is still slow ass

[toxic vigil]

I forfor high halls my bad.

[earnest drift]

i will get carpal tunnel from spamming c

[vast grove]

weeellllll thats a start, but it got a long way to go to actually get used

[undone gate]

The Abyss Climb and Surface Climb are good platforming

[narrow dagger]

its challenging but fun, but hollow knights feels weird imo, maybe Im too used to silksong

[toxic vigil]

The 2 non mt fay silkshots suck ass and its hilariously bad

[earnest drift]

crystal heart takes too long to charge and goes nowhere because the knight can't go over a 1 mm tall pebble

[orchid spruce]

Open up your heart or wait until you feel you might find it fun

[toxic vigil]

Yeah 600 in 1 tool is nice but that costs THIRTY silk

Even if you use silkspear and miss half of them, thats still like 200 dmg

And 12th architect is straight pin levels of dmg already

[narrow dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-bosses-boss-karmelita-gif-8277026654277953812

[earnest drift]

straight pin that costs silk

[undone gate]

They forgot Clover Dancers

[narrow dagger]

it was an okay fight

too gay for me

[undone gate]

Clover Dancers is the worst memory boss

[narrow dagger]

agreed

[earnest drift]

i liked it more than nyleth

[lavish apex]

dash is fine, swift step is pretty undeniably more fun though

[orchid spruce]

It's a rematch with nothing new. Oh, wow, there's a windmill when they hug now how innovative

[undone gate]

I thought you would like Nyleth a lot

[toxic vigil]

My least fav memory is probably nyleth.
Even if the boss is fun

[graceful cairn]

true

[earnest drift]

nyleth is fine, high C tier rn but i might move it to B tier later

much better at removing the floor than markoth

[toxic vigil]

Seth > nyleth

[narrow dagger]

Nyleth is queen, btw everytime this community sees a ingame female, they think "lesbian"

[earnest drift]

what's wrong with that

[undone gate]

For me Seth=Nyleth since I just don't find Seth that interesting

[earnest drift]

every woman in silksong is a lesbian except grand mother silk. this is canon

[orchid spruce]

I have one nitpick about Seth, but otherwise, he's a good boss

[narrow dagger]

just unrealistic, in the world of warrior bugs and black evil goo

[orchid spruce]

Nyleth is just a good gimmick boss

[earnest drift]

what's unrealistic about gay people

[narrow dagger]

there are more straights in the world

[earnest drift]

so???

[undone gate]

What is the nitpick

[earnest drift]

what's wrong with headcanon-supported representation

[narrow dagger]

also i was making a joke

[orchid spruce]

Shield throw has short telegraph

[earnest drift]

i don't get it

[narrow dagger]

damn

[orchid spruce]

and can surprise-motherfucker you if Seth is out of your screen

[undone gate]

For me my problem with Seth is that he has no major Anti Air Attacks

[orchid spruce]

I don't have that issue, I stay grounded when I fight him

[toxic vigil]

Nyleth is a cool boss bc its one of the clawline ones

[narrow dagger]

I cant fight seth without remembering the real guy

[undone gate]

Seth is 10x easier to kill by just jumping when he attacks

[earnest drift]

despite being a clawline fan i beat her by wallclinging and throwing threefold pin

[undone gate]

You should fight her without red tools

[orchid spruce]

um i guess sometimes being unoptimized is more fun

[earnest drift]

because i liked how hornet automatically throws red tools away from the wall while clinging

[earnest drift]

i will

[toxic vigil]

You can pogo on the wall btw

Usually it will make you leave it

[earnest drift]

huh

[toxic vigil]

Side, up and down

But only 1 side

[earnest drift]

the side with nyleth on it?

[undone gate]

I guess so but I kinda want to optimize fights like I have beaten Seth with the same gear as the gear you have at the start of the game

[toxic vigil]

No i mean.
When clinging to a wall

You can attack normally

[narrow dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-seth-shrine-gif-12241582258408052393

[orchid spruce]

just call it lv0 at this point 😂

[toxic vigil]

Including pogos

[earnest drift]

oh yes i know that

[earnest drift]

i did not know that

[undone gate]

Yea I did technically use Upgraded Hunters Crest since you can't remove that with Debug Mod

[toxic vigil]

And up attacks

[orchid spruce]

lv1 Seth

[undone gate]

So I have beaten Level 1 Seth and Karmalita till now I should probably try LL

[orchid spruce]

good luck

the void waves seem impossible without wall cling though

[toxic vigil]

Hunter's crest is very cool

I like that it becomes usefull again lategame

[undone gate]

Yea I think I will allow using Cling Grip just for that attack

[toxic vigil]

And not bad in midgame due to evo 1 being free

[orchid spruce]

does waiting the waves out (which makes them smaller) make them jumpable?

[toxic vigil]

Flintslate is a top 5 red tool tbh

[orchid spruce]

if so then i think you could experiment with that then pogo spam to move faster to the other side to catch the next wave

[undone gate]

I will need to cheak that but I highly doubt so

[orchid spruce]

sounds either really hard or impossible

[earnest drift]

yes

[toxic vigil]

There is curvesickle, volt vessels, phial for top 3 but flintslate maybe 4th best

[orchid spruce]

yeah

[earnest drift]

i jumped over them many times before using the wall

[undone gate]

Just with a base jump

[toxic vigil]

I think base jump + pogo air stall might work

[earnest drift]

yes

wait

[narrow dagger]

Unpopular opinion: Great conchflies is a parallel to Clover dancers

[earnest drift]

i'm not sure

[earnest drift]

uhhh idk

[narrow dagger]

i know cogwork

[graceful cairn]

aw man really

[toxic vigil]

Yellow tools are so boring

[paper fiber]

yellow?

[earnest drift]

barbed bracelet is nice

[paper fiber]

from what i’ve noticed

everything @earnest drift is factual

no bad takes

it’s SHOCKING

[toxic vigil]

Thing is there are like
2 combat that you can always use
Either dice + belt or belt + bracelet

[graceful cairn]

except when they blatantly lie about hk lore maybe

[earnest drift]

i have never done this, end your slander

[toxic vigil]

And a 3rd one if you are in steel soul ( satchel )

[graceful cairn]

lies

[narrow dagger]

Unpopular Opinion: Hollow knight is only a few years before Silksong

[paper fiber]

ion get it

[earnest drift]

it's 8 years

[paper fiber]

it’s a difference of like 8 years

[graceful cairn]

i wonder how far apart the games are canonically

[narrow dagger]

Unpopular opinion: Hornet is likey 120 or slightly older

[paper fiber]

we will never know

[earnest drift]

why do you have to start everything with unpopular opinion

[graceful cairn]

likely older

[paper fiber]

unpopular opinion: grass is green

[earnest drift]

i think silksong takes around 50 (bug) years after hollow knight

[toxic vigil]

she is not that young

[narrow dagger]

Unpopular opinion: e he he he he

[earnest drift]

which is about 2 months in human time

[paper fiber]

na

[toxic vigil]

Unpopular opinion: Pale nails top 3 silk skill for bosses

[narrow dagger]

the events of the dreamers take place during Quirrel's life time, and Quirrel isnt a god, and can still move fast

[earnest drift]

unpopular opinion: pilby is stupid and annoying and deserved to get run over

[toxic vigil]

you can hear him that after giving the mask he seems way older

[narrow dagger]

hmmmmmm

[narrow dagger]

good point

[graceful cairn]

also we dont know the time gap between the games she could be far older in silksong

[earnest drift]

the mask stopped him from aging

[earnest drift]

i think she is, she's much more mature

she calls the act of standing sentinel over a dead kingdom a foolish task, showing growth

[graceful cairn]

she got stupider smh

[narrow dagger]

dont get a blood bleed

[earnest drift]

dont get a song sung

[narrow dagger]

i get consent nosebleeds during muay thai

not skong related just me complaining

[timid valve]

don't get a silk sulk

[earnest drift]

dont get a skarr scarred

[graceful cairn]

well at least they ask for your consent first

[ocean quarry]

what the actual fuck am i looking at

[ocean quarry]

what is this chat rn

[narrow dagger]

we consent by doing the hand thing

[tacit relic]

Where's plinny?

[narrow dagger]

the low five fist bump combo

[ocean quarry]

shellwood

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[tacit relic]

I need him for my last upgrade.

[ocean quarry]

search shellwood

[tacit relic]

Okay!

[ocean quarry]

i could tell you where he is but it's kinda hard to describe

[ruby agate]

i know how to describe it fine cause it has one of the only enemy spawns of an enemy

[ocean quarry]

ok but i don't remember whether that enemy spawns after getting plinney out of there

[ruby agate]

it does

cause its THE ONLY AREA WHERE IT SPAWNS IN ACT 3

[ocean quarry]

uh no, i found one in bilewater in act 3

[ruby agate]

,,what the fuck

[graceful cairn]

ohh right

[ocean quarry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[graceful cairn]

that guy...

[toxic vigil]

there are 3

[ruby agate]

ill be damned i only remember it being there

[silk monolith]

rosary big man

shakra spot in bilewater

[toxic vigil]

the unraveled sucks ass

[tacit relic]

YES.

I'm getting my final needle upgrade.

[timid valve]

imo the hardest boss

[toxic vigil]

get architected idiot

[ruby agate]

honestly

i like the unravelled because you get to

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[earnest drift]

wtf causes this death effect

[ruby agate]

we need a greyroot boss for the pantheons

[toxic vigil]

its a combination of needle, volt vessels, and the death itself

[toxic vigil]

not really? the staggers make it dissapear

[ruby agate]

ok but he's slow asf when he dashes

so you can just jump up top of him and

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[toxic vigil]

snare setter kinda peak

[ruby agate]

voltvessels pogo

[tacit relic]

Btw.

How much damage does my needle do after the last upgrade?

[earnest drift]

actually worth the silk cost unlike silkshots

[undone gate]

21

[ruby agate]

21

clawline does 20

[toxic vigil]

mt fay silkshot is decent

[tacit relic]

How much did it do before that?

[undone gate]

17

[tacit relic]

...

[ruby agate]

18 or 17 im pretty sure

[tacit relic]

I thought...

Maybe 30.

[undone gate]

Your needle deals 5 damage at base and gets 4 extra damage every needle upgrade

[toxic vigil]

the spear volt vessels ain't that bad too tbh

[ruby agate]

its much more situational

[toxic vigil]

less dmg but still good

[undone gate]

Aren't they better than the Bola form

[ruby agate]

they deal less damage but are easier to hit on slower enemies

so its not neccesarily built for bossfights like the bola form

[undone gate]

The Bola form misses so many projectiles

[toxic vigil]

i have had some play with snare setter
great for gauntlets
situasional for bosses

[toxic vigil]

... hit better??

[earnest drift]

bola is broken when it's spammed

[ruby agate]

use it when an enemy is in it's intro animation or is staggered

[undone gate]

Truthfully I rarely use red tools so I can't comment much on that

[dapper geyser]

takes 2 seconds to use and not guranteed hit

[ruby agate]

me neither, i only use bola and conchcutters LMAO

[earnest drift]

it is a guaranteed hit

it stays there until something walks on it

[undone gate]

The only major red tool I use is Flintslate

[ruby agate]

oh youre one of THOSE

plasmium phial + flintslate facetank warrior

[dapper geyser]

my fav red tool is railgun

[undone gate]

I don't face tank I use Hunters Crest

[dapper geyser]

its so op

[ruby agate]

"i dont pogo, i use the wanderer's crest!"

[dapper geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[earnest drift]

not really

[ruby agate]

hunter is THE facetank crest

[dapper geyser]

its the best pogo

[earnest drift]

fay silkshot is okay

[undone gate]

I have never used Phalmium Pial

[potent vessel]

thats beast crest

[dapper geyser]

i beat grand mommy silk with that thang

[undone gate]

It literally loses it's focus buff when you get hit

[toxic vigil]

my fav tool is flintslate and i use hunter's focus

[ruby agate]

my fav tool is conchcutters i play to have fun son

[toxic vigil]

definitely good for gauntlets, not that good otherwise

[potent vessel]

hunter crest slander spread from the ignorant

[undone gate]

Yea Flintslate is just a good needle damage buff tool

[dapper geyser]

it can hit multiple enemies and it can pierce. What more do you need

[ruby agate]

its not slander, this guy is saying that using hunter's crest is an excuse to say he doesnt facetank

[earnest drift]

shaman crest is a face tank crest

[ruby agate]

i love hunter its my second favorite crest

[earnest drift]

because you can heal very often with it

[toxic vigil]

its not that good for bosses

[undone gate]

You wouldn't play like this if you face tank

[toxic vigil]

yeah

also i NEVER facetank ever with wanderer
i cross stitch

[dapper geyser]

i beat almost every boss with it

[ruby agate]

you arent using flintslate so facetanking sucks in this ocassion

[slender juniper]

How ...did you even get to this conclusion

Hunter is the OPPOSITE of a facetank crest, you play safe for the damage bonus

[ruby agate]

everytime i click on a silksong boss video modded or not its always some

[undone gate]

It's Level 1 Karmalita so I am not using anything that doesn't mean I use Flintslate to FaceTank

[ruby agate]

flintslate + flea brew or flintslate + plasmium phial warrior on hunter

[ruby agate]

not moving an inch

[slender juniper]

Yes but they don't facetank

They play for the damage binus

[ruby agate]

..they usually do

[slender juniper]

[toxic vigil]

okay?
dosen't make it that great for bosses

[lavish apex]

no, like objectively that's wanderer and beast

[toxic vigil]

wrong crest
thats beast

[toxic vigil]

wanderer is cross stitch face " tank ", beast is just facetank

[slender juniper]

The anti facetank crest is most definitely reaper

Or witch

All the long range ones

[ruby agate]

i'd say witch too cause you need to build up silk and not take damage

[undone gate]

Beast Bind is literally made for Face Tanking

[slender juniper]

That's shaman

[ruby agate]

..build up silk = bind
not take damage = cause you cant heal properly

[tawdry socket]

Whats facetanking

[toxic vigil]

yeah exactly

[slender juniper]

You can heal properly you just do damage while doing it

It does quite a lot actually

[ruby agate]

you need to do a mini-beast and damage the enemy while healing and on some bosses you have no time to do that

[undone gate]

It's midelessly just beating the boss or enemy without trying to dodge it's attacks as you can just take damage and survive

[ruby agate]

especially first sinner

you only get to heal on staggers basically

[slender juniper]

The only bosses I can think of is first sinner and shakra no other come to mind

[lavish apex]

this is just because those are good tools and many people prefer the feel of hunter to other crests

[ruby agate]

yeah but they're THE mindless facetank tools

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-beast-gif-7167947808925894620

[lavish apex]

from a design perspective it is just strictly the opposite of a facetank crest because of the focus mechanic

although it's still better at doing it than the slower ones

[toxic vigil]

hunter users are not mindless

[ruby agate]

hunter isnt a tool its a crest im tlaking about phial and flintslate

[slender juniper]

I have never seen somebody use phial in a quick kill

[undone gate]

I use Flintslate because it fits the Nail Only theme of Hunter not because I want to Face Tank

[tawdry socket]

What crest does the chapel in hunters march give btw

[ruby agate]

they usually use phial or flea brew to

tank damage
deal more damage

[undone gate]

Beast Crest

[slender juniper]

Beast

[ruby agate]

it says chapel of the beast, i wonder what crest it gives

[toxic vigil]

cross stitch

[ruby agate]

it actually gives the architect's crest

[toxic vigil]

yeah but thats not hunter's crest

[tawdry socket]

Im not very bright mb

[toxic vigil]

ruined chapel gives the ruined crest

[ruby agate]

honestly i say sharpdart is the superior facetanking silkskill

[slender juniper]

Renaming all the crest to
Witch=to crest of peak
Architect=crest of skill issue
Wanderer=crest of easy mode
Hunter:crets of HOLY SKILL
Beast:crest of FACETANKER RAARGH
Reaper: crest of...mid

[toxic vigil]

ignore me just running into the boss and taking 4 masks

[azure sedge]

why always Karmelita ?😢

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[earnest drift]

how can it be mid if it's the worst one

[toxic vigil]

okay i fell like i need to say somenthing

[undone gate]

She is a cool boss who is complex

[ruby agate]

architect users are worse than wanderer users

[toxic vigil]

yeah wanderer is 99% used by noobs
but its still not bad

[tawdry socket]

I didnt give you permission to record my gameplay >:(

[azure sedge]

The crest of Silk issue is reaper

[ruby agate]

imagine spending 25 dollars on a game and not even playing it

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[ruby agate]

im talking to YOU purple cogfly spammers

[ruby agate]

do you have one of these for every crest lmfao

i only have the reaper and witch crest one

[tawdry socket]

Im on act 2 what kind of bullshit is this 😭

[ruby agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[slender juniper]

Architect crest tool spam

[ruby agate]

first sinner has got to be the most fun boss to nuke LMAO

[toxic vigil]

What is wanderer then

[slender juniper]

Crest of easy mode

But not crest of baby mode that's arch

[toxic vigil]

What about people who don't use wanderer for easy mode

[ruby agate]

wanderer's crest isnt even easy mode lmao it's just fun to use

[toxic vigil]

It is easy mode for begginers

[ruby agate]

-i say as someone who used hunter's for all my first playthrough, i like diagonal pogo

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-skong-sk-gif-9152098084645823068

[toxic vigil]

I did all of act 3 with witch crest

I just like wanderer

[slender juniper]

Wanderer range isn't that bad as people say

[ruby agate]

i like wanderer because funny crit sound effect

[slender juniper]

It's the same range as hunter just less wide

[ruby agate]

-im an ultrakill player

[slender juniper]

Ah yes crest of gambling

We bind the gambler in blasted steps and that's what we get

[toxic vigil]

Its 7% more

[toxic vigil]

Dice moment

[ruby agate]

we better get a crest that functions like yi nine sols and it's entirely parry based

..no cross stitch doesnt count because

idk its just not cool enough LMAO

[slender juniper]

The crest of sekiro

[earnest drift]

yi doesn't really look like a dog

[ruby agate]

holy shit i just hit the legendary moss grotto silksoar to bs

[slender juniper]

To bullshit?

[toxic vigil]

blasted steps

[slender juniper]

[slender juniper]

Nah that's bullshit

[toxic vigil]

high halls gauntlet but i can't use the floor

[earnest drift]

no snitch pick?

[rough anvil]

Why magnetite brooch

[timid valve]

Not every1 is a Grand Reed killer

[tawdry socket]

Can you upgrade any of the other crests besides hunters

[toxic vigil]

i think longclaw is better

[earnest drift]

you can upgrade reaper by editing your save file so that you don't have it anymore

[tawdry socket]

Its probably just because it was the first crest i got but i enjoy reaper

[toxic vigil]

reaper crest but its literally just witch crest but different tools and you still get the reaper bind effect

[still osprey]

Wanderer Crest is basically like Reaper Crest if it was nothing like Reaper Crest 🤔

[quiet pasture]

Beast crest is like architect if it was completely different

[still osprey]

I can't believe team cherry is so uncreative they made the same crest 7 different times

[earnest drift]

shaman is like hunter crest if it was bad

[quiet pasture]

I know right?, so lazy

[still osprey]

tbf Architect moveset is like Hunter moveset if it made me want to kill myself

[earnest drift]

hunter moveset if it was slower than reaper

[quiet pasture]

The learning curve on architect is insanity

[toxic vigil]

architect is hunter but its 10% more damage but slow as hell

[timid valve]

gms is basically savage beastfly if you think about it

[toxic vigil]

shaman is like architect if it was the opposite except for the spam part

[quiet pasture]

Lost lace is like bell beast in theory

[earnest drift]

they both have contact damage and summon minions

[quiet pasture]

Hold up

[timid valve]

Both give crests

[quiet pasture]

Hang on

[still osprey]

Lace is basically the same thing as Lace 2, how uncreative can this team get?

[quiet pasture]

And then lost lace as well, jeez team cherry when will it end

[earnest drift]

and then plasmified zango

[quiet pasture]

Wowed

[earnest drift]

which is just lace but bigger and can heal

[timid valve]

Here's Lace

[quiet pasture]

And Bell beast

[still osprey]

Phantom is basically Lace if she was nonbinary

[toxic vigil]

hornet is basically lace

[quiet pasture]

Facts

[toxic vigil]

https://youtu.be/FDsgCVzweuY

[stable fjord]

Trying to do 5 hour achievement

[quiet pasture]

God damn

[stable fjord]

Currently in choral chambers, skipped underworks

[toxic vigil]

its a bit bad bc i just went in

[stable fjord]

And I'm just at 1:30 hours

[still osprey]

I want to play more silksong but I don't want to burn myself out 💔

[undone gate]

That's really good

[orchid spruce]

fl-aw-rless

i'm so funny

[toxic vigil]

snare setter is S+ in gauntlets but mid in bosses

[stable fjord]

Only 1 death, on Moorwing Moory.
Went through Judge

[severe schooner]

Team cheery don't like us getting good tools xD

[toxic vigil]

85 dmg is a lot though

[quiet pasture]

I hardly used snare setter just cos I got it after beating GMS and from there is speedrunned act 3

[toxic vigil]

consistent 850 is insane

[severe schooner]

Can't use it in act 3 :(