sk-discussion

[queen acorn]

ah

the way the last claws stand there is so tuff

[hardy tangle]

holy screenshots

[queen acorn]

holy pfp

[sudden plume]

hi

morning

[wanton iris]

In my second main playthrough i beat karmelita first try 😭
Idk smth was just goin rlly well and it just worked

Imma wait until godhome equivalent comes out before i steel soul tho, since nyleth took me far too many attempts

[quartz cave]

You do know you cannot die in nyleth right

[meager jolt]

Memory deaths don't count

[timid willow]

@wanton iris there's a mod that allows you to practice the bosses and yeah memory deaths don't kill your steel soul run

[wanton iris]

Oh i died like 30 times to the boss in bellheart
Im not ready for steel soul :P

[wanton iris]

Im on mac :/
havent found a good workaround

[meager jolt]

Widow? Oh yeah, hopefully you find a way to practice her

[subtle skiff]

cogfly has mac support no?

[quartz cave]

Mods work on mac

[wanton iris]

Yee ik but those bosses are good tests of skill

[quartz cave]

yato its wilson wednesday

[wanton iris]

Oh sick nice ill try
My mac id a bit weird but ill give it a go :D

[brave geyser]

Low cortisol

[subtle skiff]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chicken-kfc-8

[cunning geode]

im sorry wilson...

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/james-wilson-house-md-gregory-house-sparkle-on-and-be-yourself-wednesday-gif-10694982973253766125

[wanton iris]

Ye voided savage beastly wasnt that bad idk what people were talking about

Well i mean i get it sorta

But it wasnt toooo bad

[fading badge]

I can't imagine doing that fight without tools ngl, but I prefer the range for flying enemies in general

[wanton iris]

Lowkey i rlly should use tools more
I just didnt that whole fight

[brave geyser]

Funnily enough that fight is much easier than the normal rematch in no upgrades

even though the beastfly gets double the hp

[meager jolt]

And summons Tarmites

[orchid locust]

thwilson thursday 🔥

[wanton iris]

Ah
That was my first playthrough that i fought voided :P
i just pogo’d him and clawlined

[brave geyser]

It's pretty easy with threadstorm

[fading badge]

They really help with beastfly's spawns, especially things like the cogfly

[brave geyser]

Iam comparing savage beastfly 2 vs voided savage beastfly 2

[meager jolt]

Ohhhhhh okay

[timid willow]

I wanna try and do Karmelita no hit but can't even beat her with Barbed bracelet (it's to prepare for ascended before doing Radiant)

[fading badge]

Threadstorm is REALLY useful for this fight, yeah.

[wanton iris]

I have a similar issue in hk, i rlly havent been using spells enough
I did try to use them more tho in my 100% steel soul run

[brave geyser]

Especially because you can just spawnkill them

[timid willow]

Can anyone give me some tips or something else that can help me

[brave geyser]

Spells, especially shade soul + shamman stone are early game mvps in steel soul for sure

[timid willow]

This is a silksong chat but oh well idgaf 🤣

[brave geyser]

Just chipping her hp down in phase 3 tbh

She's pretty quick so it might be hard to keep up with her

[timid willow]

Yeah she really is quick 😭

[brave geyser]

So you just go for like a hit or so on certain attacks

[wanton iris]

Yeah i do sometimes when i remember to try to, but mostly i run a nail build
I beat Pure vessel ascended with no spells :D
i also beat pure vessel at the end of the pantheon 4 with no spells and didnt take damage, but dammit i still havent been able to radiant

[wanton iris]

Oop right soz lmao

[brave geyser]

It's chill

[timid willow]

What kind of playstyle do I go for? More like distance or more rushing in?

[wanton iris]

Cant get silk if u dont get close usually i dont think

[fading badge]

I was very reliant on spells during HK as well, so I had a ton of fun with the spells and tools in this game. I should do a run with architect crest though, getting to refill my tools on the fly sounds stupidly fun

[wanton iris]

But keeping distance for most of the time can work depending on how u play

[timid willow]

It does unless you got no silk

[timid willow]

Thanks

It's just because I'm struggling

[brave geyser]

I guess you can rely on pogoing her for damage on most attacks
Which crest?

[timid willow]

But I did manage to beat her toolless and without a skill skill yesterday

[wanton iris]

Lmao
Yeah im so used to just nail cuz thats just how i play
I should do a run where i mainly use spells / tools
(I think im the type of player who never uses a potion in a game if they arent renewable :/ (even if i have 80 or smth))

[timid willow]

My beloved Hunter

[wanton iris]

Soz

[brave geyser]

Yea pogoing will probably be your main damage in phase 3

[timid willow]

I always pogoed her it's just that I'm so not used to such a fast boss 😭

[brave geyser]

Dw alot of people are like that
You should tho some of tools are fun

[timid willow]

I beat her for the first time yesterday then toolless and now with Barbed bracelet to imitate the double DMG from ascended then ascended then radiant

[brave geyser]

Yea the more i look back at her i realize "damn she's fast"

[cerulean sable]

Silksong should have Hollywood

[wanton iris]

Yeee
Oh also btw how do i bring up the mod menu on mac on cogflya

And wheres a good place to download mods :)

[brave geyser]

Idk

[pure shoal]

7 hours of what

[fading badge]

Cogfly already has everything installable from within the mod manager, so you shouldn't need to specifically go on Nexus or thunderstore

[cerulean sable]

you should have,never left holywooooddd

[wanton iris]

Ah kk
Now how do i open that…
Or is it just the profile page thing

[pure shoal]

Oh no i meant lobotomy coorperation

[fading badge]

Within the game, you'll need the mod config menu addon for bepinex to be able to change configs

[wanton iris]

Kk
So Fn + f1 since im on mac?

[fading badge]

Profiles, yeah
Go into a profile and you can start adding stuff

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRUrlZFty3A

[wanton iris]

Ahhhh kk

Oo found it

[fading badge]

Yep

[wanton iris]

Didnt work but prob bcuz i dont have any mods yet

[fading badge]

I can use just f1 but I'm on windows so maybe that's different for you

[wanton iris]

Yeah mac is much different

[fading badge]

You need to install the config utility thing (forgot the full name but search for config and you'll find it) to be able to change configs, but yes, you need to add mods first.

[wanton iris]

Ah kk

Looks like its working so far :D

[fading badge]

Yayy!

[wanton iris]

Time for the “repacking scenes” to take its time
Here have this image while i wait

Hmm
Stuck on “coral_29”
Ill turn off architect and all mods besides the config
See if that fixes it :)

Hmm bugs
Ill continue this tomorrow :P

[scenic depot]

Hi guys

[meager jolt]

Hey

[queen acorn]

im crine she almost look like regular lace in that

[earnest drift]

how good were voltvessels in this fight

[meager jolt]

That's the point

[queen acorn]

i dont think so

[meager jolt]

Hornet is trying to save her

[earnest drift]

lace's body loses more void at each subsequent stagger

[cerulean sable]

DLC final boss should be Soul of Sherma

[earnest drift]

well initially she wants to kill her

but at the end she saves lace so that both of them can escape the void

because gms sacrifices the remainder of her silk for hornet to leave the abyss

hornet would kill lace if she could but doing so would mean she would have to die as well

actually she could've killed lace then swum back up with the everbloom

[lavish apex]

is it a hot take to say that even for as much as i love sister of the void i think it could have been better if the knight didn't have to rescue them

[earnest drift]

i like the knight appearing but i understand you

[lavish apex]

it is a cool moment, don't get me wrong

[earnest drift]

would you still want the knight to appear at all

[lavish apex]

i'm not sure

a thought i've wrestled with a little bit is that that happening kinda diminishes the emotional impact of dream no more for me but maybe it's worth it

[exotic cedar]

Sherma prime

[unkempt steeple]

who is that

oc?

[lavish apex]

like for the sequel confirmation and also because it still sort of makes sense in lore

[graceful oyster]

All of Silksong's endings are so garbo

[meager jolt]

Hornet was born during the Infection, so it had to be a sequel from the start

[steel spruce]

Guys

[lavish apex]

i don't agree obviously

[unkempt steeple]

I think the knight saving them doesn't really matter, keeping or removing doesn't make it better or worse imo

[steel spruce]

When is the silksong dlc releasing?

[lavish apex]

although like. other than sister of the void kind of yeah

[meager jolt]

Sometime this year, other than that, we don't know

[steel spruce]

Ok ty

[unkempt steeple]

it's unrelated to the point of the ending so it's just a cool fanservice moment

[graceful oyster]

The point of the ending is like woo wow you saved her yippee

[velvet cape]

Dude who the fuck ghostpinged me

[graceful oyster]

The brat who hates herself is free from her mom now yay!

[meager jolt]

April Fool's

[lavish apex]

yeah

[terse fiber]

April fools joke

[lavish apex]

i think that is compelling

lace is an interesting character

[graceful oyster]

I think it's boring

[velvet cape]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-kitty-cutiepie-gif-6698252999604200247

[unkempt steeple]

I guess some people take it as confirmation that silksong is sequel but hornet's arc in silksong would be pretty stupid if it was a prequel so I don't think it's a necessary addition as a confirmation

[graceful oyster]

Disappointing even

[unkempt steeple]

april fools was yesterday btw

[devout sinew]

I CANT BEAT LOST LACE

NOT BECAUSE SHES TO HARD

[lavish apex]

i think grynne is being genuine here

[devout sinew]

BUT BECAUSE MY LAPTIP IS ASS

[terse fiber]

Yeah. Idk why it's still there

[unkempt steeple]

If I disagree it's bait

[velvet cape]

Low your resolution brother

[unkempt steeple]

I don't think it's purely about lace

[devout sinew]

My laptop has 4gb of ram and missing c key and the mousepad glitches if a hair comes in contact with it and my resolution is low and I still get a frame drop every 4 sec

[lavish apex]

well yeah it's not, it's a cool resolution for hornet as well

[unkempt steeple]

I see it more as about how hornet will protect every bug left in this kingdom even lace

[velvet cape]

No dont believe grynne hes baiting you into quitting silksong just to make you play mio

[unkempt steeple]

slop in orbit

[graceful oyster]

I'm really excited to see 9sols' ending because the way they've put so much soul and development into the characters and story it can't possibly be as awful as Silksong's

[velvet cape]

God gives its weakest soldiers its toughest fights

Oh nevermind hes spreading 9sols propaganda not mio

[graceful oyster]

Like I go every chance I get to talk with the NPCs because there's so much life to them.
I want to hear more from them

[timid willow]

Better then Mio Propaganda?

[lavish apex]

honestly i think i like silksong's story more than mio's but mio's is very interesting too

[velvet cape]

No clue dude i havent played 9sols

I quit after the tutorial it was too hard

[graceful oyster]

Nine Sols and Mio are very different

Very hard to compare

[unkempt steeple]

sols like slop

[velvet cape]

NINE SLOPS

[graceful oyster]

9Sols' story is incredible so far though and seems to be substantially better than Mio or both HKs

[velvet cape]

Alright who lobotomized you

[lavish apex]

i've heard similar things elsewhere

[unkempt steeple]

"A fragile form of life, but life nonetheless." is something hornet writes in the journal even if you don't get sisters of the void

[lavish apex]

i'm excited for when i finally get to nine sols

[graceful oyster]

I did

[velvet cape]

You arent the grynne i knew a month ago

[lavish apex]

it seems like a really cool game

[graceful oyster]

I decided out of my own free will to break the opinions I had formed about this game and just play it for myself

Best decision ever

[orchid locust]

july 28 3135

[graceful oyster]

Everything about this game is great pending some exploration-related stuff

But small stuff

[unkempt steeple]

greatslop

[graceful oyster]

Anyway good night

[novel mango]

Are you a game journalist by chance

[velvet cape]

Do you think a game journalist could 111% hk and 100% sk

[unkempt steeple]

me with silksong

[undone gate]

Doing the 1st combat section in Nine Sols took me like 30 minutes the game is just insanely hard

[novel mango]

Good point

[novel mango]

Oh nvm😭

[velvet cape]

I do play ultrakill like a game journalist tho

💔

[steep jolt]

if they used no clip

[static berry]

I didnt even 100% silksong yet

[meager jolt]

What's your last percentage?

[steep jolt]

silk spear

[unreal shell]

I didnt even see anywhere that theres a completion percentage

[steep jolt]

what act are you in

[unreal shell]

I must have missed it for the final boss

2

[steep jolt]

and you bound to gms?

[unreal shell]

I did

[steep jolt]

uh buddy theres an entire third act

go around doing some quests

[unreal shell]

Yes i know about it

[steep jolt]

completion % is unlocked in act 3 in the abyss

[oak bear]

Do all the wishes and move the flea caravan to its final location

[unreal shell]

🙁

[honest cedar]

Happy April 2nd it has been one year since skong release year dropped

[oak bear]

You must also have your bell home

[crude geyser]

I miss my image perms

[unreal shell]

Shit I have to go through bilewater?

[novel mango]

What did you do

[oak bear]

Kinda? Do you have fleas there?

[meager jolt]

Sorry

[crude geyser]

You really want to know ?

[oak bear]

And have you been to the putrified ducts?

[undone gate]

You need to finish Bilewater to get to Act 3

[unreal shell]

Arent there fleas in the area after bilewater

[novel mango]

Actually nvm

[unreal shell]

Not yet

[oak bear]

Uh yeah I know

[unkempt steeple]

why did the fleas think moving to the poo water lands was a good final destination

[novel mango]

Putrified ducts is something i dont want to remember

[crude geyser]

If you want I could show you in dms but it’s nothing hardcore

[oak bear]

I’ve played through three times now

[unreal shell]

The boss outside putrified ducts sucks

[crude geyser]

No NSFW, no gore nothing

[unkempt steeple]

how did they even get the caravan in there

[oak bear]

It was hornet’s idea

[undone gate]

Which boss do you mean

[serene ridge]

cuz they want to be left alone qwq

[unkempt steeple]

groal?

[oak bear]

Groal the great

[unreal shell]

I cant remember the name but its the one at the top of bilewater

[oak bear]

But he’s really cool his fight is so easy

[unkempt steeple]

you can enter putrified ducts by the memorium

[oak bear]

It’s hard on the first play through but easy after that

I just used voltvessels as bolas and threw it in his mouth when he tried to eat me

[unkempt steeple]

but surely there was a less smelly place

[steep jolt]

you have to the other entrance doesnt let you go to the main part

[undone gate]

Every boss is easy after the 1st playthrow

[oak bear]

Aside from Seth

[steep jolt]

senith

[meager jolt]

Groal isn't too bad, it's everything surrounding them that sucks

[unkempt steeple]

huh?

[undone gate]

Seth was easy even in my 1st playthrow

[oak bear]

Seth is… I don’t know why but he’s so hard

[reef basalt]

It's the worms below that's ass

[unkempt steeple]

you can access all of putrified ducts by both enterances I think

[undone gate]

Jumping let's you dodge all his attacks

[steep jolt]

wait what i meant was you have to go to the other entrance the bilewater one doesnt let you go to the main part

[velvet cape]

Trial of fools

[steep jolt]

in silkosng

[unkempt steeple]

it doesn't? never gotten to putrified ducts via bilewater first

[unkempt steeple]

I miss colloseum

[oak bear]

Uhh just use wreath of purity and just use the needle arts

[meager jolt]

OOF

[steep jolt]

thats litterally what im saying

[serene ridge]

yes, can confirm.

[meager jolt]

Yeah but still

[oak bear]

I used hunter crest for 90% of my most recent play through because I wanted a little challenge

Instead I only ended up seeing just how broken it was

[undone gate]

The Sprint Attack is insane

[blazing fractal]

If you want a challenge Witch and Beast both take a bit to get used to

[steep jolt]

if you want a challenge use shaman from the start of the game (you can only get it in act 3 so you cant damage enemies until act 3)

[blazing fractal]

How?

[oak bear]

I like challenge but I’m not a masochist buddy

[undone gate]

Hunter Sprint Attack allows really easy double hits

[meager jolt]

A real challenge is doing the game Cursed

[blazing fractal]

Oh, true.

[blazing fractal]

Cursed + steel soul is just pain

[oak bear]

I’m still a wanderer’s stan tbh

Shit

[serene ridge]

it is not thaat bad, you will really get used to it!

[oak bear]

I said the big “keep yourself safe” at that point

[blazing fractal]

I got used to witch after a few hours, haven’t done beast yet

[meager jolt]

To me?

[oak bear]

I don’t really like witch but I also love it

[rotund gate]

I use wanderers because I like using wanderers

[oak bear]

As in, to the challenge like it’s that hard

[undone gate]

Doing Architect without tools is worse because Architect moveset is horrible

[oak bear]

The needle art is the strongest I believe

[undone gate]

Yea but the base moveset is so bad

[oak bear]

True tbf

The pogo is abhorrent too

[earnest drift]

make architect's attack speed 50% slower

[oak bear]

We ain’t even gonna address beast

[blazing fractal]

Yeah you gotta just do quick taps otherwise you stall in the air for several y

[earnest drift]

beast pogo is better than architect's

[oak bear]

Yes, because this is necessary

[orchid locust]

beast pogo has incredible utility

architect pogo js ass for no reason 🥀

[exotic cedar]

Every pogo is good and has potantial

[serene ridge]

-# I must confess... I never played architect so far ._.

[blazing fractal]

Idk why but I always found diagonal pogos easier than downwards ones 😭

[oak bear]

Lowk I used all crests to some extent aside from beast

[exotic cedar]

Architect is fun without red tools

[oak bear]

Beast is not the best

[serene ridge]

I did all except architect :'D

[exotic cedar]

Beast is cracked

[blazing fractal]

Beast is good once you get used to it

[exotic cedar]

Attack, bind, repeat

No need to dodge

[main urchin]

Very good sprint attack. Goes far, long lasting hitbox, launches you at the right spot to pogo (something most of them do to be fair)

[oak bear]

This is subjective but what is everybody’s opinion on the worst crest? Like what crest do you think is the worst

[exotic cedar]

Reaper

[oak bear]

Agreed

[unkempt steeple]

Well everyone's gonna say the same

[exotic cedar]

I don't hate reaper or reaper users buuut the crest is not that good in comparison

[oak bear]

Reaper can be really broken with fleabrew though

[serene ridge]

reaper really helped me to learn the game tbh

[exotic cedar]

I havent really tested

[unkempt steeple]

I find it uninteresting with a bad ability

[blazing fractal]

I’m gonna say witch, it’s really only useful for the GMS fight… that’s it. I do enjoy all the blue slots though

[slender juniper]

This...is just a lie

[oak bear]

Yeah same tbf

[unkempt steeple]

I think I'd make its ability a tool

[exotic cedar]

I swear the silk orbs could have been better

[blazing fractal]

Reaper is a good learning crest

[slender juniper]

TC balancing so shit bruh

[unkempt steeple]

and maybe make its gimmick related to its speed and range?

[slender juniper]

Atp hire someone just to balance your game

[exotic cedar]

I don't really care about balancing in a singleplayer game

[exotic dome]

they need more testers

[slender juniper]

I do

[exotic cedar]

One thing about reaper is that it can spogo

[unkempt steeple]

I kinda do...

[slender juniper]

[safe venture]

look up holland cool channel who balances shit

[unkempt steeple]

I much prefer silksong's tools

[safe venture]

shaman has better pogo

[exotic cedar]

I wish needle damage was a bit higher and the orbs could have been better

[oak bear]

No, the damage is the highest of the crests but the speed is slow so it has the lowest dps. Using fleabrew makes up for this, and in turn makes it extremely strong. If you use pollip fleabrew then it becomes even more powerful

[slender juniper]

Don't think he hasn't gotten to reaper yet

[main urchin]

He did a bad job balancing stalwart shell tho

[slender juniper]

..the damage is the highest of the crests what?

[blazing fractal]

All crests have the same needle damage…

[safe venture]

no he did not also i did not expect him to have so many fans

[unkempt steeple]

didn't he say he disliked the fighting style it insentivises

[exotic cedar]

I kinda don't like the "better pogo" arguements

[safe venture]

soon

[exotic cedar]

Its kinda ass, they are all good

[raw pawn]

Just remove this icon already 🥀

[safe venture]

beast

[exotic cedar]

Beast pogo is good

[blazing fractal]

Beast just takes getting used to

[safe venture]

april fools joke btw

[exotic cedar]

Its hard to learn but worth it

[oak bear]

There was a video I watched and they do varying amounts of damage but the speed they attack makes the dps roughly equal

[raw pawn]

I only use beast in bosses

[main urchin]

It doesn’t do higher damage. All crests do the same basic attack damage (except Architect but it’s a long story.)

[slender juniper]

False

[toxic vigil]

clawline moment

[blazing fractal]

It’s not April fools anymore

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[slender juniper]

Reaper does same as any other

[raw pawn]

She still gets you somehow

[safe venture]

ik i'm calling you stupid

[slender juniper]

The only crest that does more damage is architects and that's 10%

[safe venture]

wrong

[slender juniper]

Fact check your vids

[main urchin]

But if you’re only briefly hitting the enemy it’ll be 10% less

[oak bear]

Yeah I’m just gonna leave after that

[exotic dome]

some of his tool balancing ideas was kinda ass but he makes good points overall

[oak bear]

Have a good day everybody

[safe venture]

i did not know that
still will be wanderer main

[raw pawn]

Karmelita can change her direction when she is doing the slash attack lmao

[blazing fractal]

Really the only time needle damage varies between the crests is when you use needle strike

[earnest drift]

is there a way to leave drifter's cloak until act 2

[main urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-king-adventure-time-im-out-goodbye-bye-gif-3554962

[safe venture]

just name a single 1 also he's human
who else you can go to for balancing?

[slender juniper]

Arch is not a good melee crest you just spam bullshit and win

[oak bear]

I think I’m better off never speaking here again

[safe venture]

prolly not

[earnest drift]

that guy kinda sucks

[main urchin]

No I was just being silly

[blazing fractal]

Uhh if you go to Shellwood through Wormways I believe you can

[safe venture]

tru

[exotic cedar]

I don't really trust youtubers

[toxic vigil]

yeah
just go through wormways or flea caravan

[exotic cedar]

Most of them has shit takes no matter the game

[oak bear]

No no as in I made a mistake so bad that I just like can’t I bro I just

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[earnest drift]

holland suggested buffing barbed bracelet by making the buff stack with needle strike
...i don't think they tested anything

[exotic cedar]

Or just do like, clickbait videos or smth

[exotic dome]

i know, i didnt insult him. let me recheck the video

[safe venture]

trust me and watch his blue tool balancing

[exotic cedar]

I'm not interested in silksong anymore

And i don't really consume silksong content

[blazing fractal]

That’s just showing off curvesickle…

[main urchin]

Yeah. Curvesickle is dumb

[safe venture]

he's human like all of us also maybe was changed in a later patch?

[earnest drift]

if i go into greymoor from the left i get stuck in the first room because the fan hasn't been dropped down

[earnest drift]

no it always stacked with needle strike

[blazing fractal]

No? It’s very broken if you distance yourself correctly

[main urchin]

Surely it Alr does that

[safe venture]

first point

[main urchin]

I WAS AGREEING

[toxic vigil]

can't you go through the bellway part

[earnest drift]

exactly, it does
holland did not do their research

[blazing fractal]

Go right to the bellbeast

[main urchin]

ITS DUMB BECAUSE ITS SO STUPID GOOD

[earnest drift]

wdym

[blazing fractal]

Oh I didn’t realize 😭

[toxic vigil]

curvesickle can easilly get 800+ damage if you know spacing

[exotic dome]

is injector band buff really needed? he probably wants to include every tool in his video which is fair for content creation

[main urchin]

Curveclaw was Alr one of my favorites

[earnest drift]

dumb idea

[blazing fractal]

Ok the speed boost is totally unneeded it’s already solid

[safe venture]

holland did so much research he made 1 ONE SINGLE mistake
he's a cool guy with good opinion

[exotic cedar]

injector band is already broken, hell even the normal bind is

[slender juniper]

Needle DPS:
Reaper/shaman:40
Witch:45
Arch:47
Hunter:51
Beast:53
Wanderer:60

[lucid forum]

50% sounds like way too much..

[exotic dome]

this one is very solid i liked that

[slender juniper]

Not a buff just a math mistake

[earnest drift]

also i'm pretty sure he said some strawman argument about bosses doing one final attack that has a 90% chance of instakilling you when talking about boss design

[oak bear]

What about hunter with the built focus

[lucid forum]

honestly thought the reserve bind could be replenished by getting silk when the bars are already full

[exotic dome]

he buffs its bind speed from 40% to 50%

[earnest drift]

that would just be a better spool extender

[safe venture]

he was giving a FUCKING EXAMPLE OF BAD BOSS DESIGN

[lucid forum]

spool extender kinda bland

[main urchin]

Not even Quick Focus sped up that much

[safe venture]

cool though

[earnest drift]

but how was it even relevant
nothing does that
it sounded like he was salty about last judge

[main urchin]

He’s talking about Last Judge

[slender juniper]

Idk he uses weird math from that which I do not understand

[main urchin]

I do think that attack could be made to not start the fight over

[toxic vigil]

here

[lucid forum]

last judge is pretty good I like last judge

[main urchin]

Or maybe if it left you at one health exactly

[blazing fractal]

TC changed Last judge’s final attack to only to 2 masks instead of 3

[slender juniper]

It's not actually bind:2 idk what fucking math he uses

[earnest drift]

i need to come from far fields for that, don't i? and i need drifter's cloak to do that

[exotic cedar]

Such useless change

[main urchin]

Like how the Undertale final bosses all leave you at one health

[earnest drift]

wait actually i have cling grip

[safe venture]

the thing is bind is already really good so injector is less value than qfocus so slight increase is good

[blazing fractal]

It used to do 3 masks, does 2 on most recent patch

[safe venture]

wrong

[safe venture]

it was a video of good versus bad type of difficulty

[main urchin]

Actually injector really helps against act 3 bosses like Lost Lace

[slender juniper]

70 I think

[exotic cedar]

Yeah its such a "slight" increase

[safe venture]

10% is slight

[safe venture]

good point there

[earnest drift]

yeah i'm pretty sure i'm stuck

[main urchin]

It’s 40%

[exotic dome]

injector is already good lol

[safe venture]

he increased it by 10%

[exotic dome]

multibinder already makes its speed 50% btw

[exotic cedar]

Yeah

[main urchin]

You mean holland?

[slender juniper]

He's using bad math, injector band shortens the bind by 33% ,he's using "how faster" it makes it

[safe venture]

same thing

[barren dew]

hi

[blazing fractal]

No you need to take the caravan to Greymoor is what we were talking about

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-no-limit-to-the-glaze-flight-riding-ftc-glazed-donut-gif-13467296479651443764

[slender juniper]

They have different calculations

[blazing fractal]

Or go through bellways

[earnest drift]

but i need to get the greymoor bell

[exotic cedar]

Hello watermelon bon emoji

[safe venture]

your a slight nerd

[exotic dome]

why

[toxic vigil]

ohh

[blazing fractal]

You can do that from the caravan…

[barren dew]

hello alpre apple

[strange knot]

Waving emoji

[safe venture]

SIMPLICITY

[slender juniper]

Im going to find you

[earnest drift]

are you sure?? the hanging fan that's broken from the other side blocks the way

[safe venture]

i'm not wrong

[exotic dome]

what does this contribute to the tool

[blazing fractal]

Yes go right towards the bellbeast, the breakable wall can be broken from both sides

[safe venture]

better game design and easier understanding makes for a better experience

[slender juniper]

Buff longpin instead of nerfing straight pin tf

[safe venture]

better than nothing

[slender juniper]

💔

[earnest drift]

hang on let me get a screenshot

[safe venture]

he used straight pin as a BASELINE

[exotic dome]

he buffs curvesickle bruh

[slender juniper]

Eww

[exotic cedar]

What's the change?

[safe venture]

that's stupid i'll agree

[safe venture]

?

[blazing fractal]

Cursesickle does NOT need to be buffed it’s already broken

[exotic dome]

curveclaw's damage from 10 to 16
curvesickles damage from 17 to 18

[main urchin]

What’s the point

[slender juniper]

What the FUCK

[earnest drift]

WHAT

[exotic cedar]

Damn, they are already very strong esp against chunky enemies

[safe venture]

how many tools ? ik he changed that don't lie

[exotic dome]

16 to 15

[safe venture]

he decreased the quantity chill

[slender juniper]

Good

[exotic dome]

most of his ideas are solid btw im not saying he is trash

[safe venture]

i'm fact checking this myself

[blazing fractal]

…Then just go through the phantom route instead?

[exotic cedar]

I feel like red tools could have been a good addition if you couldnt spam them

[safe venture]

i respect u now

[toxic vigil]

@earnest drift get wall jump and then go above and go down for the bell

[earnest drift]

ok turns out i'm a fucking idiot and there's a way through here

[safe venture]

quick sling?

[toxic vigil]

this is what i told you

[slender juniper]

Vessels lament doesn't sound bad, it's a yellow tool, you heal two masks instead of 3 but heal 50% faster

[exotic cedar]

Wha

[exotic dome]

what

he also deisgned new tools?

[slender juniper]

Yeah

[exotic dome]

i'll watch that

[blazing fractal]

That feels like it should be blue…

[slender juniper]

No because it's like barbed

[blazing fractal]

But then might as well use injector band atp

[earnest drift]

also how come moorwing doesn't trigger when i come from the other side

[blazing fractal]

Ohh

[safe venture]

honestly too much of a downgrade should be 100% increase because injector

[slender juniper]

Blue tools shouldn't give you a disantvantage

[safe venture]

true

[slender juniper]

Again wrong math

[safe venture]

NERD

[exotic dome]

answer is yes

[safe venture]

answer is somewhat

[blazing fractal]

You fight moorwing in act 2 if you skip in act 1

[toxic vigil]

you need to wait until act 2 for it to be avaible to fight again

[slender juniper]

What about a yellow that decreases needle damage but increses silk skill damage

[earnest drift]

so that's how it looks without drifter's cloak

damn i like silksong's nonlinearity

[blazing fractal]

That looks so strange 😭

[exotic cedar]

Yeah honestly most bosses kinda do suck

[toxic vigil]

Just the floor being not broken lol

[blazing fractal]

Hornet just kick the ground and open the hole

[safe venture]

this but can't be overshadowed by shaman
wonder how you'll do that

[exotic dome]

false knight was a better first boss tbh

[civic bolt]

Shrue

[exotic cedar]

They werent that memorable at all for me, nor very exciting that made my heart beat like hell

[earnest drift]

false knight sucks as a tutorial

having a mechanically unique boss as the first one isn't a good idea

[exotic cedar]

Team cherry is really good at making areas but they kinda suck at making bosses

[civic bolt]

I don't think so

[exotic dome]

silksong bosses are fine

[exotic cedar]

Only a few of them were memorable for me

[earnest drift]

...ok i'm stuck again

[main urchin]

He does a bad job of teaching how staggers work to be fair

[exotic cedar]

I want a hard boss that makes me eat my shit

[earnest drift]

and not giving soul on hit when only like 4 bosses do that

[main urchin]

I don’t want you to want to eat your crap

[civic bolt]

Hard =/= good anyway

[blazing fractal]

Just go straight to Bellhart and take the phantom route, or you can try to taunt the crow to your right

[toxic vigil]

go above

[exotic cedar]

True but i prefer hard bosses

[slender juniper]

Halfway home craw skip

[exotic cedar]

Makes it more fun, i like struggling

[blazing fractal]

They don’t have cling grip

[civic bolt]

Also any boss gets easy when you play the hell out of them

[toxic vigil]

then go get it

[civic bolt]

First encounters are always more memorable for me

[blazing fractal]

That’s what I’m saying

[exotic cedar]

First nine sols boss took me like 30+ minutes, it was hard and very enjoyable

[terse fiber]

because you can just learn it on your own

[earnest drift]

how

[blazing fractal]

Most memorable first encounter for me was that chef…

[toxic vigil]

near the halfway home thing

[slender juniper]

Halfway home 💔

[exotic cedar]

Most memorable first encounter for me was prob widow

[toxic vigil]

fun fact: is moorwing is here, there is no wardenfly

[blazing fractal]

You need wall jump though, also Bellhart is unlocked for you

So go through Shellwood and grab walljump the come back

[earnest drift]

i have wall jump but no drifter's cloak

[blazing fractal]

Oh you do?

[unreal shell]

you need drifter's cloak to have even gotten up there

with the air

[blazing fractal]

Ok then go in the same area as halfway home, there’s a wall you can jump on to the right

[earnest drift]

no i took the wormways route

[unreal shell]

ahh

[copper crescent]

Fuckass moorwing that I hate

[exotic cedar]

Does wormways route needs skips and shit

[copper crescent]

Not that I know of

Just grinding for 500 rosaries

[earnest drift]

no

[blazing fractal]

Yes if you don’t get sprint otherwise no

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-log-off-andy-gif-4810443948518661584

[copper crescent]

Trust me tho

Its worth it

Then you get cling grip

[exotic cedar]

Eh i don't play the game now

[copper crescent]

Then the world is a toybox

[safe venture]

@slender juniper this

[slender juniper]

What'd moorwing do

[exotic dome]

simple key for wormways should've been a boss reward or something

[safe venture]

umm

[slender juniper]

He's just a chill guy

[earnest drift]

ok thx for the help guys

[copper crescent]

I had to fight pre nerfed moorwing

[earnest drift]

time to minimal gear vs last judge

[serene ridge]

saw old photos of him, he used to work for very bad people lets say it like that

[plush silo]

when was moorwing nerfed

[unkempt steeple]

pretty early on I think

[safe venture]

i spent more time on moorwing then both trobbio fights last judge phantom first, 2nd lace and lost lace combined

[copper crescent]

When it didnt do 2 masks for every hit

[slender juniper]

Silk issue

[unkempt steeple]

the only thing that changed was the damage his ranged claws dealt

[earnest drift]

it's not that bad lol

[plush silo]

oh then i fought pre nerf too prolly

[copper crescent]

I feel bad for the guy that fought moorwing in act 3

[plush silo]

💀 why would you do that

[exotic cedar]

Whenever i boot up silksong the game feels so weird

[copper crescent]

Idk man

Someone did tho

[plush silo]

also wait how do you do that

doesnt flea caravan move to where moorwing is

[copper crescent]

Fight him in the alternate area after going through shellwood

[blazing fractal]

Maybe after moving the fleas again?

[exotic dome]

he moves to a different spot

[copper crescent]

Its above near the bellway

[plush silo]

oh thats crazy

so moorwing is scared of fleas 😂

[main urchin]

Feel bad for the ppl fighting the 1300 hp, 0.85x damage multiplier Act 3 Savage Beastfly

[exotic dome]

yea but he becomes optional, you can go to belhart if you move the caravan

[earnest drift]

last judge is going down

[blazing fractal]

I’d cry

[copper crescent]

...............pain

[earnest drift]

needle 0 5 masks base spool and tools no drifter's cloak btw

[main urchin]

It has nearly the same effective health as KARMELITA

[blazing fractal]

You could get magma bell…

[copper crescent]

Not enough, make hornet crippled

[copper crescent]

Oh hell nah

[earnest drift]

magma bell is for people who plan to get hit

[plush silo]

isnt this enuf

[main urchin]

Or curveclaw

[earnest drift]

if you prepare to fail you are failing to prepare

[plush silo]

last judge is relatively ez

[copper crescent]

NO MAKE HORNET HAVW ONE ARM

[main urchin]

1300/0.85 =1,529.412

[plush silo]

broken hornet 🥀

[earnest drift]

ok i got hit by the driznit kms

[blazing fractal]

Turn Hornet into an actual spider and she just gets squished by a single tap

[main urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/driznit-angle-gif-4688200546563768457

[exotic dome]

x0.85 for which needle level

[copper crescent]

I cast electoral bulet

[main urchin]

Max

[exotic dome]

that's bullshit bruh

[main urchin]

So it takes like 70 hits to kill the Voided Beastfly

[exotic dome]

i lowkey want to try hitless duo savage beastfly 1

[toxic vigil]

isn't karmelita 0.9 for max needle

[exotic dome]

0.95

[main urchin]

He has more heal than any other Voided Boss

[blazing fractal]

Just wait until Silksong’s boss rush

[exotic dome]

symphony of pharloom

[main urchin]

So she gets bumped to 1500/0.95 =1,578.947

[exotic dome]

it's almost the same lol

[main urchin]

Just 3 more needle hits than Beastfly

[earnest drift]

ok so if i play needolin at the front gate two bells ring but then it stops

[exotic dome]

any multiplier below 0.9 is artifical difficulty

[earnest drift]

oh i don't have enough silk

[exotic dome]

talk to the npcs

you can play needolin after that even if you dont have silk

[earnest drift]

ik it was just interesting

[toxic vigil]

slab time :D

[unreal shell]

nooo you let john silksong go

[blazing fractal]

Hornet be like: NO NOT AGAIN

The daily torment she goes through…

[unreal shell]

maybe you should just git-gud

[earnest drift]

hornet suffering on her journey is a big reason i love her much more than the knight

canonically i'm pretty sure the most the knight suffered was getting knocked out after getting vengeful spirit

[blazing fractal]

The knight just doesn’t care, Hornet writes a hate speech in the hunters journal

[earnest drift]

and maybe the deepnest fake bench

[unreal shell]

they have no voice to try suffering

[blazing fractal]

Hornet over here GETTING STABBED BY A CRAZY DOCTOR’S MACHINE

[unreal shell]

even if the knight was suffering we can't know about it

that's what makes the knight a purer vessel

[toxic vigil]

why is the skull shown as paper here

[tawdry socket]

Are spoilers allowed in this channel

[blazing fractal]

Have you not seen the Silksong true ending…

[blazing fractal]

Yeh

[unreal shell]

no

i haven't reached act 3

[blazing fractal]

Ok well don’t look at this channel then

[unreal shell]

:stares intensely at this channel:

[tawdry socket]

I haven't reached act 2 yet lol

[blazing fractal]

Anyway that ending proves that the knight is very much not hollow. That all I’ll say

[unreal shell]

i'm gonna try to get to act 3

silksong is taking a little while to start up?

i moved its files to an external drive from my PC's hard drive

through steam

but it's just giving me a black screen

[blazing fractal]

Restart the computer?

No idea what to do beyond that

[fickle prawn]

The fake ping is still there

[cunning knot]

It took me so long to notice that was a fake ping

I just saw this now

[earnest drift]

suffering builds character

[unkempt dirge]

THis is what she gets for existing I suppose

[copper crescent]

Dw she can shawlk it off

[golden karma]

April fools is over remove ts icon

[round pebble]

Last red tools?

[junior wren]

You got silkshot

?

[still osprey]

It's Cogwork Wheel, bought from Twelfth Architect in the Underworks

[junior wren]

Oh yeah i forget it's long since i finished game

[exotic dome]

yes

ask #sk-help if you have any question and don't want to get spoiled

[round pebble]

Is it in act 3?

[still osprey]

Well, you can get it in Act 2 as well

[exotic dome]

act2

[junior wren]

Act 2

Get from architect

[round pebble]

Can you buy it from grindle in act 3?

[still osprey]

But like you're not locked out of it in Act 3

Twelfth Architect is still alive

[junior wren]

Is your architect dead ?

[still osprey]

Just go buy it from them

[round pebble]

Idk

[still osprey]

They only die after you buy all their stuff

[round pebble]

Good

[still osprey]

So, no, they should still be alive

[junior wren]

12 th architect must be alive until you but everything

[junior wren]

I know

[raw pawn]

Pls remove this icon

[earnest drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d342qXQc974

[steep jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8x9FEcM22c

[earnest drift]

cornifer doesn't 100% deserve to be able to walk

he 30% deserves it

[steep jolt]

cornifer is a eldritch being who feasts on souls to teleport

[earnest drift]

ok if he eats quirrel's soul then it's okay

tiso too

all the characters who die i'll assume had their soul consumed by cornifer

[steep jolt]

pilby didnt actually die it was all a ploy for cornifer to eat his soul

[earnest drift]

[exotic dome]

😔

[steep jolt]

cornifer is a ladies man he wouldnt

[crude geyser]

Someone should make a “ the floor is lava” challenge for silksong

Beat silksong without touching the ground

That sounds impossible actually

[still osprey]

Not if you have clawline and infinite silk !

[crude geyser]

Yeah but you don’t

That’s the issue

[earnest drift]

you could if you tried hard enough

[steep jolt]

with all abilities and tools with architect someone got from moss grotto to the surface and the only place they needed to step on the ground (not including scene transitions) was entering the border caves

dead chat

[earnest drift]

not as dead as quirrel

[strange knot]

Not as dead as myla

[earnest drift]

myla was always dead

radiance was making the best out of her corpse by infecting her

[toxic vigil]

Hello

[normal bramble]

Hola

[glossy relic]

I ate Sulfuric Acid with 1 Kg Uranium

I just wanted to say it here

[strange knot]

Do I need to beat hha for 2nd sentinel fight

[rich wyvern]

Why

[wheat hazel]

do they have a realese date for silkosng dlc?

im so excited !!

[spiral swallow]

no, not yet 🙁

[wheat hazel]

thays sad...

[spark anchor]

https://vxtwitter.com/oxide_cat/status/2039683820287590826?s=46&t=r_s9CbBnkSlIFHi73cK58w

◇○ (@oxide_cat)

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 2, 2026, 12:38 PM

do the phantom, broken vessel!

[wheat hazel]

i love broken vessel hehe

[analog mist]

resting

resting at a bench restores all silk heart silk right

[wheat hazel]

[blazing fractal]

TC will announce it close to the release date… if I had to guess it might be in the middle of this year since they did mention having more things planned… that’s just my theory though

[analog mist]

lowk they should've made broken vessel double jump, and you take it from it, mega man style

kinda like you take dash except you have to kill it

[terse fractal]

1 year anniversary of the cake day

we should make april 2 national silksong day

[acoustic flame]

No it would be sep 2

Bc that's when it came out

[bitter briar]

Top ten broken vessel

[analog mist]

I wonder

if I were to power creep in silk song would it make bosses like karm any easier

[spark anchor]

Earlier in development you fought broken vessel instead of where hornet was

[toxic vigil]

Wdym

[analog mist]

infinite tools

[toxic vigil]

Architect slop

[analog mist]

well infinite blue tools

[toxic vigil]

Oh defo

[analog mist]

specifically

[toxic vigil]

Like.
Even if you don't use silk skills.
You get stuff like multibinder quick bind claw mirrors with warding bell

[analog mist]

also would be funny if someone made a feature to equip multiples of the same blue tool

[toxic vigil]

I like that the defensive blue tools are a lot better than in hk charms

[analog mist]

tools feel more balanced than charms

especially thanks to the existence of yellow tool slots

now I don't have to waste two notches on magnet and compass

and once you get yellow vesticrest you barely even need to unequip them

[bitter briar]

Red tools:

Architect crest:

Spam:

[analog mist]

I'm talking specifically about passive tools

[cerulean sable]

tududuuu duuu SHERMA ON THE BEAT

[analog mist]

blue and yellow

[analog mist]

also magnetite dice exists lmao

[bitter briar]

Circlet warding bell with witch crest and multibinder with twin mirrors

[analog mist]

how is that more broken than
charm that increases your attack speed

[edgy patio]

did they really change the server icon like that for april fools? i thought i had a ping for like 10 seconds but i just realized

[quartz cave]

No you do have a ping, mine looks normal

[analog mist]

you've been fooled

[lapis pond]

I can't get up to groal 😭

Bile water is so stupid

[analog mist]

groal was easy I just use wanderer to spam pogo on the roof

[edgy patio]

heheheheheh you think that's gonna work on me? fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you.

[lapis pond]

It's the mile hike I can't do

[quartz cave]

Im literally not kidding btw

[lapis pond]

Especially the 3rd to last room before groal with all the traps

[analog mist]

HOLY SHIT I NEED TO PLAY STARTEW VALLEY

[chilly mountain]

Giggles

[edgy patio]

any day now till team cherry randomly announces sea of sorrow...

[chilly mountain]

Sea of tomorrow ?

[minor plank]

Sea of today

[kind mango]

Sea of now

[reef basalt]

Hearing this gives me ss soon ptsd

[worthy lintel]

It released yesterday, look there's even a new crest

[cyan whale]

Hey I don’t think that’s normal

[sturdy sonnet]

i love this game and i think it should have won game of the year but man the glaze this game gets youd think it would change the world

its just a really good 2d platformer/metroidvania

[edgy patio]

wait it's possible to make custom creste now? that's insane i was waiting until there were resources to do that, that's funny though

[cyan whale]

People liked expedition 33 more for some reason

[kind mango]

fr

that game is so bums

[edgy patio]

i wonder how much % sea of sorrow will add to the game

[worthy lintel]

Architect has some basic custom crest stuff that's super easy to use, and there are modding tools for more complex proper custom crests if you know how to code Silksong mods

[edgy patio]

ohhh is that the ai game

[sturdy sonnet]

im playing it right now and enjoying it alot honestly i might hit the penjamin netunyahu

[worthy lintel]

There's also the Pavo crest, this one's real trust

[cyan whale]

The one where ai was used in production, yes

[toxic vigil]

Definitely more than sk did because every crest and tool is a %

[quartz cave]

The people were faced with an incredibly difficult descision on last years game awards tbh

[chilly mountain]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fatass-teto-after-burger-uAx8sBGURSdjkWCICv

[edgy patio]

im hoping for people to create custom attacks and bind if that's even possible like a custom pogo, front and back and above

[quartz cave]

It was between a shitty ass game that was overhyped as hell and not worth your time, and a game with french people (exp33)

At the end see who won

[sturdy sonnet]

didnt they remove that and replace it with real art? not that it was a good idea to begin with

[worthy lintel]

By coding your own mod using the tools that's possible, right now Architect custom crests can only copy vanilla movesets, but updates are planned

[edgy patio]

we do know were getting a crest and tools so that's more % to the game

[cyan whale]

I don’t even have an issue with it winning

[edgy patio]

that's cool

[ruby crystal]

Sea of sorrow soon trust

[cyan whale]

I only have an issue with how many awards it won compared to everything else

But also, umamusume won an award so I’m happy either way

[edgy patio]

to be honest in my opinion, i feel like silksong should've won, not only was the gameplay literally addicting but the lore is actually so so so so SO well thought out

[cyan whale]

It was also expected for 7 years straight..

[edgy patio]

atleast silksong won the true game of the year which is steam.

[toxic vigil]

True

[minor plank]

I’m ok with e33 winning and I actually do want to give it a try because it looks like a really really good game

[cyan whale]

And also, I don’t think exp 33 crashed every if any stores

[edgy patio]

it won 2 awards from steam, it won goty and the best game you suck at because alot of people were calling the game hard

[minor plank]

Silksong should’ve won still though

[safe venture]

the goty is not a popularity contest

[rancid crystal]

its not a hype contest

[safe venture]

this

[edgy patio]

imo the goty awards is most of the time rigged so steam goty awards are way better

[sturdy sonnet]

thats just hype

nobody knew exp 33 when it came out

[rancid crystal]

idk why people care about game awards so much anyway

[safe venture]

pathetic losers who have nothing to do

[earnest drift]

I love silksong lore

[sturdy sonnet]

i bet so much money on it dude i lost like 12000 dollars im so Fucking Broke dude im Gonna go Bankrupt Dude Fuckkkkk

[stone quartz]

i feel like the skong lore is great but i just love the hk lore a lot more

[edgy patio]

citadel lore is so fucking crazy bro

[rancid crystal]

lol

[earnest drift]

group of nigh immortal women who enslave and kill hundreds because they’re power hungry and desperate for freedom? PEAK

[edgy patio]

i watched like 3 videos on the citadel lore and what greymoor and citadel purpose was, it's insane

and the purpose of father of the flame is linked to the citadel

[earnest drift]

the entire citadel being a containment protocol to keep a scorned god asleep is so terrifying

[sturdy sonnet]

isnt father of the flame just like a side thing crazy bugs did

[safe venture]

chanel name please i'm hungry for lore

[earnest drift]

huh what

[safe venture]

WHAT

[earnest drift]

can you explain

[sturdy sonnet]

you always hungry

[stone quartz]

pretty sure it was to burn the silk out of the bugs

[earnest drift]

did you finish the game

[stone quartz]

the father of the flames

[safe venture]

wrong guy

[stone quartz]

oop mb

[safe venture]

yes 98%

[earnest drift]

the citadel’s purpose is to keep grand mother silk asleep after the weavers betrayed her
did you catch that

[edgy patio]

they made him because the citadel if you die they will make you live forever to work, but for the burning bugs if you become a wisp and attack hornet you die instantly and serve your purpose.

[stone quartz]

pretty sure it was to burn the silk out of the bugs so they werent affected by the haunting

[edgy patio]

1 sec

[safe venture]

no didn't gms create the citadel?

[earnest drift]

but I think burning bugs are haunted

[sturdy sonnet]

crazy how the crazy fire cult have an actual better future for you

[earnest drift]

she did not
the weavers created the citadel to imprison grand mother silk

[sturdy sonnet]

by the way huuuge plot twist the grand mother silk isnt really their mother

[edgy patio]

watch all of FattBrett's videos, i actually understood them more than mossbag for some reason, but his videos are so good

[stone quartz]

mb they are affected by the silk but not affected by the void. huh... strange

[earnest drift]

I’ve been told mossbag’s silksong video is bad

[edgy patio]

yeah

[sturdy sonnet]

weavers were just some random ass bugs that the gms forcibily evolved

[earnest drift]

facts

[safe venture]

but gms created the weavers right
also doesn't gms actively control bugs with the haunting so how she sleepy

[safe venture]

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

[sturdy sonnet]

didnt create the weavers themselves. just made them smarter and stronger and evolved

[earnest drift]

yes gms made the weavers and the weavers betrayed her

grand mother silk is a god so her “sleep” is more of a state of paralysis while still being conscious

[safe venture]

ok

[edgy patio]

it was from gms forcing the weavers then the weavers ruling and then giving ownership to the conductors which the conductors are one of the worst bugs in pharloom

[safe venture]

two contadicting answers

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk’s imprisonment was worse than death

[unkempt steeple]

Loreslop

[stone quartz]

she did create weavers. but didnt create pharlids

[safe venture]

who's existence is worse gms or thk?

[earnest drift]

I still think the weavers were worse than conductors

[stone quartz]

thk probably

[earnest drift]

thk suffered more

[unkempt steeple]

Gms becuse thk probably deserved it

[stone quartz]

???

[earnest drift]

at least gms could interact with the world via haunting

[sturdy sonnet]

werent the weavers still evil as fuck for making the citedal. like i understand why but they just straight up pulled innocent ass bugs into all this

[earnest drift]

[unkempt steeple]

They had emotions despite knowing not having emotions was the only way to save hallownest

[earnest drift]

I firmly believe the weavers were worse than grand mother silk

[unkempt steeple]

Dooming hallownest just to love your father is beyond selfish

[sturdy sonnet]

yeah and weavers are pharlids evolved. its just a matter of perspective i guess

[edgy patio]

yeah they orchestrated most of the stuff but the conductors lead and made they're own bad stuff

[unkempt steeple]

This but like unironically

[hazy spear]

Guys crust king khann's theme is so underrated

[unkempt steeple]

Gms seemed okay with only being a mad mother to a small group of bugs

[hazy spear]

It's worked its way into like top 3 in the ost

[earnest drift]

we don’t know that much about how grand mother silk treated the weavers
but we do know the weavers enslaved and killed hundreds, which is worse than what gms did before her imprisonment

[unkempt steeple]

Weavers were the ones that colonized pharloom

[stone quartz]

dont think you cant just control that. if you make yourself not love your father you start to resent him. thats an emotion. they were chosen and probably tried their best but cant control what they feel to a point.

[edgy patio]

the weavers followed gms' actions because she was basically they're mother and kids learn from parents so it makes sense but definitely doesn't justify what they did.

[sturdy sonnet]

a humble evil being indeed

[unkempt steeple]

You can acctually

[stone quartz]

... ooookay

[earnest drift]

I guess they learnt forcing underlings to play song from gms

[unkempt steeple]

The average bug in the hkverse is that level of evil

[earnest drift]

but I think they came up with the architects, enslaving slab flies, destroying karak on their own

[sturdy sonnet]

what are you a robot that can simply tune out your emotions lmao. #GetReal

[hybrid flare]

The weavers were greedy in their own right, not because of gms

Pharlids are extremely territorial and protective

[edgy patio]

the weavers wanted to trap somebody else to keep singing to seal gms which they passed ownership to the conductors

[stone quartz]

its also not just emotionless. you have to be thoughtless. the infection could leach into thoughts and i feel like its a lot harder to not just think and have no mind to think.

[earnest drift]

are conductors more evil than gms

[sturdy sonnet]

i mean the pale king was a pretty good king

[unkempt steeple]

No but I'm not hollow... still calling themselves hollow is false advertising

[hybrid flare]

Gms is the least evil out of the big three

[earnest drift]

I believe this

[silver oak]

any silkers in chat

[hybrid flare]

Mainly because of the lack of info

of what she was doing before trapped

[unkempt steeple]

Yes but I think they're less evil than weavers becuse atleast some bugs got to not be underworkers

[stone quartz]

they didnt label themselves hollow. pk did

[hybrid flare]

Conductors are the bigger evil

[sturdy sonnet]

brah they didnt ask to be born and be emotionless and hollow just to get sacrificed later on 😭 ✌️

[near pecan]

𓅄𓅄𓆍𓆞𓆧𓆝𓆕𓆕𓆜𓆍𓅃𓆣𓆣𓆥𓅁𓆟𓅄𓅄𓆍𓅄𓆣𓆧𓆝𓆧𓆧️𓆜𓆜𓆠𓆍𓆣𓅋𓅄𓅄𓅀𓅇𓃖𓃓𓃔𓃱𓄀𓃓𓃝𓃓𓃖𓄃𓃡𓅄𓅄𓆍𓆞dlc𓆧𓆝𓆕𓆕𓆜𓆍𓅃𓆣𓆣𓆥𓅁𓆟𓅄𓅄𓆍𓅄𓆣𓆧𓆝𓆧𓆧️𓆜𓆜𓆠𓆍𓆣𓅋𓅄𓅄𓅀𓅇𓃖𓃓𓃔𓃱𓄀𓃓𓃝𓃓𓃖𓄃𓃡𓅄

[hybrid flare]

The underworks werent around when weavers were

They didnt need to maintain much machinery

[sturdy sonnet]

yeah cause they lowk doin ts for money and status and not out of need

[narrow bramble]

Don't even joke lad

[earnest drift]

are the conductors worse than radiance

[near pecan]

fishy meal

[hybrid flare]

BUT they did create whiteward apparently, or so it seems

[steep jolt]

spotify is so stupid with the auto suggest like stop suggesting me miko or whatever 🙏

[narrow bramble]

Big T

[unkempt steeple]

Well is capitalism so wrong in the world of hk, pk did it too

[hybrid flare]

Conductors are the bottom of the barrel

[near pecan]

mini t with a toy bat ❤️‍🩹

[hybrid flare]

unless you're zote, ultimate evil

[earnest drift]

I think they put silk inside mortal bugs, but the weavers started whiteward by turning bugs into silkflies

[stone quartz]

wdym. zote is my goat

[narrow bramble]

What about the architect's

[near pecan]

zoteboat

[stone quartz]

created robots.

[hybrid flare]

I mainly get the fact that whiteward was weaver made because of how it looks and the apparatuses

[near pecan]

clankers ewww

[hybrid flare]

Conductors are NOT creating the soul syphon any time soon

[narrow bramble]

And created a great melody

[near pecan]

they're just like the ring

[stone quartz]

they were made for a purpose. them doing that is just their own fuction.

[unkempt steeple]

What about vaultkeepers

[narrow bramble]

Yeah

[earnest drift]

most evil villains (most to least)

1. weavers
2. Conductors
3. radiance
4. Grand mother silk
5. crust king khann?

[stone quartz]

bums

[safe venture]

wrong
the hollow knight's only sin was to love/respect the person they had every right to hate

[hybrid flare]

Conductors > weavers imo

and grindle > Ckk

grindle is EVIL

[narrow bramble]

Im not a big fan of weavers

[safe venture]

you can't control emotions

[edgy patio]

karmalita's ants were also racist btw

[earnest drift]

tf did grindle do

[narrow bramble]

Fuck deepnest

[safe venture]

this

[hybrid flare]

sell me dogshit for 588 rosaries

[narrow bramble]

Stealer guy

[safe venture]

the hollow knight's only sin was to love/respect the person they had every right to hate

[narrow bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-grindle-hk-gif-1576920652497483271

[earnest drift]

was Karmelita herself racist
and did the ants only discriminate after the haunting? it’s unclear

[edgy patio]

it's a really good ost for a bad boss

[stone quartz]

i would put like greyroot maybe instead of khann. at least his kingdom respected him

[earnest drift]

oh yeah

[safe venture]

no each mottled skarr commited crimes

[hybrid flare]

Weavers were terrible in their own right but what they did can be argued was out of necessity, while the conductors failed at their job and made the citadel go from a religious sect to a religious sect that enslaves people

[earnest drift]

how do we know it was the conductors that started enslaving and not the weavers

[edgy patio]

yeah we don't know that much but for now we can assume the ants after the haunting started being racist

[hazy spear]

What??

[hybrid flare]

We don't, but i imagine far less work was needed before since theres no need to maintain the luxurious bs

Old pharloom