sk-discussion

[versed current]

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[latent terrace]

I still don't get when I should press the key against most enemies sometimes

[fiery burrow]

Why do people hate the Rise swaxe parry smh

[steep jolt]

the actual post says sea of sorrow is murdered

[candid kayak]

yes

I did write the post after all

[still osprey]

The actual post says sea of sorrow is coming out tomorrow

[left crypt]

rip sea of sorrow

[opaque sigil]

do they

[left crypt]

welcome city of steel dlc

[versed current]

Best silk skill is bsod
Works everytime

[ancient mortar]

Generally it's just seeing an attack anim start. Waiting a quarter of a sexond and then parrying

[steep jolt]

your nintendo is still blue?

[ancient mortar]

Depending on distance and attack

[steep jolt]

i thought it was fixed

[candid kayak]

Blue

[opaque sigil]

elemental burst counter is pretty peak it just isn't that reactive

[steep jolt]

she was 17 scott

[fiery burrow]

Yeah that's true

[versed current]

Ye it will be forever

[latent terrace]

Does it work against mobs or is it more for boss fight?

[ancient mortar]

It works against anything it can deflect any attack

[fiery burrow]

Its fun to work into attacks that strike twice though like Kushala's dragonblight slam

[versed current]

Orrr
Bsod

[opaque sigil]

because it's lame as fuck

[left crypt]

cross stitch is versatile

[fiery burrow]

Malzeno has a bunch iirc

[steep jolt]

absolutely NEVER let sheldon cook again

[latent terrace]

I'm not skilled enough for this game...

[opaque sigil]

does it have iframes after triggering or something

[versed current]

Git

[left crypt]

yes

[ancient mortar]

They were asking how to use it not if it was well designed

[latent terrace]

Will I be able to use the void tendrils too?

[versed current]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-eyes-wide-open-googly-eyes-open-mouth-gif-2836432978910424102

[opaque sigil]

I know but I won't miss a chance to call it bad

[left crypt]

no mouth to cry suffering

[slim thorn]

You āfk farm playtime hours

[fiery burrow]

It has iframes but I mean like Kushala does the slam then you get ready for the second one for example

[rocky jolt]

cross stithc is kinda cracked you have to use it as like a moment perfect reaction and not like other silk skills for example sharpdart

[ancient mortar]

But any game with a parry system needs unparryable attacks in abundance. Sekiro is the only one that does this well imo

[opaque sigil]

ah

[versed current]

The sea calls

[orchid spruce]

it captured google again

i'll just fucking use OBS

[fiery burrow]

I'm tired of parry mechanics boss

[ancient mortar]

I do wonder what defines a parry mechanic

[rocky jolt]

i would know this cuz i have a 25h save with the cs madness mod

[fiery burrow]

Where's my game that gives you a shield and a stamina mechanic and chip damage to manage

[opaque sigil]

then play blue prince that has zero parries

[fiery burrow]

Parries are for wusses

[latent terrace]

Imagine if groal can parry too...

[ancient mortar]

Is it just a press a button to not take damage if you time it well thing?

What defines a parry

[fiery burrow]

true...

[lavish apex]

i would say that yeah

[slim thorn]

It allows for radiant difficulty tho

[rocky jolt]

and they have to feel rewarding to land

[light swan]

pretty much

[light swan]

i woudlnt say so

[fiery burrow]

Getting into ||the terminal|| in Blue Prince was so cool but I kinda lost momentum tbh its a demanding game

[versed current]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nighy-davy-jones-pirates-of-the-carribbean-no-angry-gif-12484857

[opaque sigil]

it is demanding

[rocky jolt]

well in my opinion i guess

[ancient mortar]

I like the melee parries in silksong more than cross stitch. They are hard to pull off, only work on certain attacks, and don't give you a massive damage boost.

[light swan]

if they dont feel rewarding, chances are theyre not a good parry depending on who you ask

[dusk wadi]

isnt blue prince a puzzle detective type game

[versed current]

Ddo5 or something sea of dorrow

[fiery burrow]

Marriage between puzzle and roguelike

[versed current]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-death-dies-of-cringe-davy-jones-dying-of-cringe-gif-22207406

[latent terrace]

What is a parry if you can spam tools or just spam the attack button anyway...

[versed gorge]

I just wanted to go to sleep, dont Troll me into Nightmares.
1st april is tomorrow not today

[lavish apex]

melee parries in silksong are nigh to useless

outside of projectiles

[dusk wadi]

game that does parries well is dmc

[fiery burrow]

I view them as just a cool little sound to make the moment impactful tbh

[ancient mortar]

But yeah I don't hate parry mechanics at their core I think they can be incredible in the right design. They just need to be designed to be only useful in certain situations and have unparryable attacks

[fiery burrow]

The iframes are difficult to play around and not really practical

[lavish apex]

and only some apply

[fiery burrow]

Sekiro was def the peak

[ancient mortar]

Sekiro is basically a rythmn game

[slim thorn]

It also feels a bit unconsistent when doing repeated ones inside of one

[dusk wadi]

perfect dodge is better than parry mechanics i think

[slim thorn]

Whats that and what makes it differnet

[ancient mortar]

Wait so does this make dark souls dodge roll a parry

[fiery burrow]

Iframe slop

[ancient mortar]

Or not as it's also a reposition

[dusk wadi]

like flurry rushes in botw or the slowdown effect in beyonetta

[fiery burrow]

Might as well be

[normal bramble]

Almost hitlessed first sinner, said out loud “yo lock in im about to perfect you” then got hit

Cursed myself

[dusk wadi]

feels more involved then just brainlessly pressing one button

[opaque sigil]

I have similar issues with souls rolls actually

[light swan]

probably

[latent terrace]

Overconfidence is a slow, and insidious killer

[slim thorn]

Try again with 2d games i might have a bigger chance of knowing those

[light swan]

is it like an iframes thing where you can stand still and press it tho

technically shade dashes could be considered parries and hairpin coudl be considered parries tho hm

[dusk wadi]

yeah well not rlly a 2d game thing

[light swan]

but also mio's parry is a great movement option so also hm

[dusk wadi]

i guess katana zero

[ancient mortar]

No it launches you forward in a chosen direction, and properly dodging attacks depends on the direction you roll often.

[slim thorn]

Oh .-.

[light swan]

alr then no parry

[ancient mortar]

You also have to be moving, the standing still variant is a back step which has no Iframes.

Unless it's Elden ring which added a back step Iframes charm which is boring

Also rolling costs stamina

[normal bramble]

Truly

Still really proud of that fight I locked in so hard

[slim thorn]

Question: are there any 2.5d metroidvanias? That you could reccomend? Like beat em up amount of movement on a floor i mean

[normal bramble]

Only got hit at the last second

[fiery burrow]

its weird there aren't many metroidvanias that aren't sidescrollers

[light swan]

i think shields in botw and totk fall under the same probelm as parries even if theyre not necessarily iframes

[fiery burrow]

not that weird actually but there's a lot of potential

[normal bramble]

Actually I locked In so hard I forgot I had sawtooth

[light swan]

stand still and block an attack

[normal bramble]

Or faydown

[ancient mortar]

Dark souls unfortunately has an actual parry mechanic that is completely not necessary but it makes the game lame AF if you use it

The whole series does

[lavish apex]

botw also literally has a parry

[opaque sigil]

ds parries are at least (mostly) hard to use

[light swan]

yea it does

[ancient mortar]

Except for ds1

[slim thorn]

You are ready to try any modded version of it now (you cant avoid getting hit pretty much)

[dusk wadi]

kirby 64 comes to mind even if it doesnt have the up and down movement

[light swan]

but shields in general im adressing here

[ancient mortar]

Botw has many bad combat mechanics.

[fiery burrow]

anyway chicory is 2.5d and ties progression to movement abilities and backtracking but nobody in their right mind would call that a metroidvania

[fiery burrow]

wym

[graceful oyster]

Oh hey it's what I call the Nine Sols healing consumables

[slim thorn]

Is baldur shell a parry or would you consider it something else?

[lavish apex]

every zelda has many bad combat mechanics

[dusk wadi]

the smoker? its called a kirby?

[graceful oyster]

No I call them skooma

[dusk wadi]

oh epic

[fiery burrow]

There are some bad bosses but Skyward Sword and the open world games have cool af combat

[humble surge]

WHAT IF you could parry EVERYTHING.... (selkiro mod coming) (ignore the giant bomb skill issues)

[graceful oyster]

So I call mid fight healing a skooma break

[opaque sigil]

tp combat is good too

[ancient mortar]

Flurry rush is super boring. Enemies ragdolling every time you hit them more than once and you having to chase after their bodies sucks. Arrow headshots are busted, theres no enemy variety, the most fun in combat is fucking with the physics

[fiery burrow]

Twilight Princess is flashy but I haven't played it in so long that I don't remember if it was really fun or in depth

[graceful oyster]

Twilight Princess is just MLP

[ancient mortar]

Also weapon durability

[opaque sigil]

'the most fun in combat is the biggest point of combat'

[normal bramble]

😭

[lavish apex]

flurry rush is sick but it should be faster in real time

[light swan]

i feel bad for blebbles we keep being mean to zelda botw and totk

[ancient mortar]

Im talking about it's base combat mechanics, responding to someone asking for examples of mechanics I found bad, so I listed them lol.

[dusk wadi]

its just not the kind of game with intricate combat it seems

[slim thorn]

What a good moment to show that mod

I might want it for my MM playthrough

[opaque sigil]

also weapon durability is a good mechanic in the open air zeldas

[fiery burrow]

Flurry Rush is pretty standard counter I don't mind it that much and its fun with Lynels and Ganondorf

[ancient mortar]

TO BE CLEAR I love botw with all my heart I just don't care for the combat.

[lavish apex]

i love lynels

[dusk wadi]

i mean look at the 2d zeldas lol theres nothing interesting happening there

[slim thorn]

Revolt and devoition is peak you gotts try it

[light swan]

flurry rush is cross stitch but with no resource cost and a bit more involvement

[graceful oyster]

Oh hey Rev and Dev

I love Rev and Dev

[fiery burrow]

Enemies ragdolling at the end of a combo is just a stunlock idk what the issue is there

[lavish apex]

totk is in many ways a bad game

[fiery burrow]

Also only happens if you have a sufficiently strong weapon iirc?

[lavish apex]

i also don't really care

[normal bramble]

On switch for now

[fiery burrow]

TOTK is great imo

[normal bramble]

Someday when I eventually move to steam to 100% the game there I’ll do it

[opaque sigil]

totk is amazing

[fiery burrow]

BOTW had novelty on its side but I've poured a ton of hours into both

[normal bramble]

But for now got steel soul to do and 100% in 30hs

[graceful oyster]

(T)Return of the King

[normal bramble]

(Which is what that fight was for)

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/viggo-mortensen-attack-sword-cry-sad-gif-17672587

[lavish apex]

i love it in spite of its numerous flaws but it has a lot less of an excuse for them than botw does

[slim thorn]

Is there any way for you to do room duplication glitches and make widow and fsinner appear in the same room or something on switch?

[fiery burrow]

I need to give LOTR another watch and read

[graceful oyster]

It's so so good

[fiery burrow]

The "No parent should have to bury their child" scene popped into my head the other day

Absolutely amazing moment

[graceful oyster]

The more you delve into the intricacies of Tolkien the better it gets

[light swan]

i like botw and totk i just think theyre overglazed and nothing special

[ancient mortar]

But again i love botw one of my all time favorites. It just sucks that in its huge combat sandbox the base mechanics aren't very fun. It's way more fun to just drop rocks on people.

[light swan]

but i do think maybe my bar was set too high

[graceful oyster]

Oh yeah Gilraen hmm

[light swan]

its probably the same effect as playing nine sols and blasphemous after afterimage

[graceful oyster]

Very good portion of the movie

[lavish apex]

almost like the weapon durability is there to encourage things like that

[ancient mortar]

All the bullet time mechanics feel really tedious imo

[fiery burrow]

Tolkien is such a weirdo man its so cool reading letters/watching interviews and seeing how precisely he thinks about his work and the moral implications of all of it

[graceful oyster]

Return of the King is such an amazing movie

[lavish apex]

admittedly it doesn't always work well though

[dusk wadi]

id rather weapon durability than restoring heals at a save point

[lavish apex]

that's why i like trial of the sword so much

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/nine-sols-medicine-pipe-totally-medicine-i-promise-yi-gif-16497710673262195488

[ancient mortar]

I just wish the base combat moves and the physics shit were both good. Then using them both in tandem would be more enjoyable.

[graceful oyster]

Skooma hit

[ancient mortar]

Right now it's just physics being great for combat

But the movesets I found quite bland for weapons

[lavish apex]

i do like the base moves but i kinda understand the criticisms

[ancient mortar]

Also enemy variety holds it back but I've heart totk fixes this

[lavish apex]

not really

unfortunately

[opaque sigil]

totk enemy variety is certainly better

[lavish apex]

it is better in totk but it doesn't really fix it

[fiery burrow]

TOTK also combines the weird physics stuff and the base weapons with fuse

[ancient mortar]

Botw has some of the best map design and exploration mechanics in games, mapping out the whole world and just exploring was so much fun and it's why I hold the game fondly. The reason I'm harsh on the combat is because if the melee combat moves were more interesting it would be the perfect game imo

[opaque sigil]

sticking a bomb on your shield and jumping into a group of enemies

[tight meadow]

Botw mentioned

[lavish apex]

fuse and throwing shit in totk is awesome

[tight meadow]

Totk is better with dust and auto imo

[fiery burrow]

wing shields with free bullet time

[ancient mortar]

Also can we agree master mode is kinda ahh

[lavish apex]

unfortunately the ui for that is abysmal dogshit

[tight meadow]

The movement is much cooled than square bomb + bomb = gotta go fast

[fiery burrow]

yeah def

[lavish apex]

master mode sucks ass

[opaque sigil]

the worst part of it is the health regen

[ancient mortar]

I really would love it if it weren't for the health regeneration

The enemies are a little too tanky too but that's meant to encourage environmental kills

[tight meadow]

You were that guy who was missing 1 achievement right

[slim thorn]

The sk mod? Nah i like it

[ancient mortar]

No talking about botw

[opaque sigil]

that's only really an issue on the plateau anyways

[lavish apex]

?

[opaque sigil]

once you get off the plateau you can get good enough weapons

[lavish apex]

in silksong? i don't think so

[slim thorn]

Oh no idea then

I was expecting terraria or smt never heard of it in botw

[tight meadow]

Like it wants you to chill in bullet time or in inventory

You get like 5 second

[ancient mortar]

Oh yeah botw also having the healing in menus issue which is the worst but of game design evee

But that's a widespread issue in gaming

[dusk wadi]

yeah i love playing morrowind and having to drink a stamina potion every 5 seconds

[orchid spruce]

Nine Sols final boss spoiler

[graceful oyster]

Oh what like, pausing the game and drinking all your health pots?

[dusk wadi]

keep that shit to the crpgs pls

[lavish apex]

it's fine, i think the game isn't trying to be hard tbh

[ancient mortar]

Yeah like in Skyrim.

[graceful oyster]

Heh

[ancient mortar]

I hate that mechanic. No fight can be difficult because of it

[graceful oyster]

Real

[ancient mortar]

Just chug cheesewheel

[dusk wadi]

skyrim has the favourites menu to its a lil better

[opaque sigil]

skyrim menus suck it makes playing a mage genuinely atrocious in a fight

[ancient mortar]

Botws combat I want to love because I love botw but I find it boring once you exhaust the novelty of physics kills

[light swan]

hey at least you jumped once! and sometimes dash!

average prong :D

[opaque sigil]

illusion when are you playing prince of persia 😔

[fiery burrow]

BOTW combat had some funky glitches that made it way funner than it should've been

[dusk wadi]

guardian iceberg

[light swan]

idk, not any time soon

[graceful oyster]

Skate 3 glitches were some of the most fun things I experienced as a kid

[fiery burrow]

on demand flurry rushes if you can enter bullet time (there are a million ways to enter bullet time)

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

after rain world its blasphemous 2

[opaque sigil]

damn

[light swan]

im exaggerating btw, great fight + we love nine sols and you know i love the true final boss lol this is just better

[ancient mortar]

The bullet time is just too much in botw. Works with arrows but otherwise don't like it

[lavish apex]

i think in spite of its flaws botw and totk have far better combat than every other zelda i've played

wind waker's is excruciatingly boring

[light swan]

bro mio is just too beautiful how do i capture this beauty

[ancient mortar]

Yeah I agree. But Zelda combat is kinda notorious for not being very good. Botw was the biggest upgrade imo but I think it's still not super great.

[fiery burrow]

Skyward Sword motion controls mmm

[graceful oyster]

Noclip plus no self awareness

[lavish apex]

oot's is like. alright i guess? but it's so basic and there's so much waiting

[fiery burrow]

Should Metal Gear Rising have motion controls for blade mode

[opaque sigil]

peak

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

i dont want to flood images tho

[lavish apex]

the 2d games it just lacks any depth at all

[dusk wadi]

😟

[ancient mortar]

I think I would have liked if botw had shadow of war combat.

[fiery burrow]

No like fr it would work

[ancient mortar]

Shadow of war combat was serviceable

Great at times

[dusk wadi]

no that combat style died in the 2010s man

[fiery burrow]

idk you can autopilot that I think

[ancient mortar]

Simple enough to be easily meshed with the physics based stuff.

[graceful oyster]

If you post 10 they get condensed

[dusk wadi]

i was tired of the assasins creed and batman arkham style its too saturated

[graceful oyster]

9 is the most condensed you can get I think

[fiery burrow]

oh is it mio screenshot hour

[slender juniper]

Fingers

[ancient mortar]

Have you played shadow of war?

[dusk wadi]

yes multiple times

[ancient mortar]

I took a perfect wallpaper in front of the ||egg|| I think

[graceful oyster]

I wanted to take blue shots of this but they didn't look all that amazing

[opaque sigil]

shadow of war's combat is decent, it kind of turns into a checklist at some point of just trying to find captain weaknesses

[ancient mortar]

Hm, I found it's combat serviceable. Not ds3 quality third person combat but food

[dusk wadi]

its time for something new yk they did that stuff already

[fiery burrow]

True stunning shot

[ancient mortar]

Mio has great vistas

Rain world too

[exotic dome]

i love haven

[trim estuary]

VISIT THE VISTA POINT IN SHORELINE???

[opaque sigil]

yes yes give me wallpapers

[lavish apex]

anyone played any platinum games

[graceful oyster]

Oh I have some serious wallpapers

[trim estuary]

No I play on PC

[orchid spruce]

||random screenshots more grandiose than final boss arena|| mio

[dusk wadi]

yeah it is serviceable but its like souls combat now where theres too much of it

[graceful oyster]

Oh also Illusion, per your... request...

[lavish apex]

i mean like the studio

[graceful oyster]

@light swan

[trim estuary]

What a pleasant gradient

[ancient mortar]

MIO SPOILERS

Need to retake this

With no self awareness

[light swan]

um. WHAT THIS IS NOTHING LIKE I EXPECTED

[cursive torrent]

chat i'm thinking of buying peglin, thoughts?

[opaque sigil]

doesn't work as a desktop 😔

[graceful oyster]

Well... (MIO FINAL BOSS SPOILERS)

[fiery burrow]

||I love how you can see this from the observatory||

[light swan]

i still dont get it which hole does it come out of, does it just cip through

[cursive torrent]

chat stop mio-ing for a sec

[opaque sigil]

these work

[fiery burrow]

The ||canopy|| was so stunning

[orchid spruce]

yes

[wind mulch]

thats a really pretty art-style

[ancient mortar]

That's unironically how I found it

[opaque sigil]

that's one of the least visually interesting rooms in the game

[ancient mortar]

That was the clue that gave away it's location

[light swan]

whats peglin

[orchid spruce]

finally another like-minded

[fiery burrow]

Yeah same I needed to get over there asap

[cursive torrent]

basically a pachinko roguelike

[orchid spruce]

||that room is soooo plain for a final boss arena||

[cursive torrent]

it's extremely replayable

[green beacon]

hi

[ancient mortar]

Mio does very well in being a game that doesn't need a guide. I only needed help finding one or two of the candles. Also needed to ask grynne once if I could get into a room or needed another ability only to realize I'm a dumbass and the jump was easy.

[light swan]

its the best looking room in the game and its so cool tho 😢

[opaque sigil]

it's not that it looks bad

[orchid spruce]

this looks better

[light swan]

its that it literally looks the best

[light swan]

final boss arena better

[graceful oyster]

BIG MIO SPOILERS across the board

[opaque sigil]

it just doesn't use the artstyle as much as some others

[orchid spruce]

this looks better like honestly pick a random screenshot

[opaque sigil]

you're the best

[barren dew]

hi

[ancient mortar]

Do you have a good one of the ||egg||

[light swan]

how ??? i feel like it uses it even more

[orchid spruce]

half of this looks better

[graceful oyster]

Okay you can stop now

[light swan]

in the vibrant outlines on the "paintbrush" looking things

[orchid spruce]

[graceful oyster]

Try enjoying it

[light swan]

the awesome paint colors

[main glacier]

gg its over

[opaque sigil]

I like the super intense palettes in, say, haven

[exotic dome]

ofc itsliterally the best looking area

[graceful oyster]

It's kina hard but yeah I have a zoomed out one

[fiery burrow]

where is the first shot taken man

[light swan]

look at these colors holy

[orchid spruce]

[cursive torrent]

how is this spoilers, this is like the second area in the game

[graceful oyster]

Promenade

[light swan]

its the final boss arena

[exotic dome]

nice shots

[fiery burrow]

I don't remember that ||statue||

[light swan]

the SECOND final boss arena

[graceful oyster]

It doesn't look that vibrant ingame, it's before ToumToum area

[fiery burrow]

toum toum

[main glacier]

this is gonna be rough....

[light swan]

the expert use of complimentary colors hits so much harder here, with how theyre able to balanceout so much blue with beautiful orange that looks seamless

[fiery burrow]

Is that uhh ||nabuu|| or ||friends||

[graceful oyster]

Eh I looked through and no, none that are nearly as cinematic

[graceful oyster]

:)

[vale whale]

its memories in orbit

[opaque sigil]

the blue and bronze is nice it's just not as bright

[light swan]

id say its pretty bright

[orchid spruce]

and how does this intricate color choice make the battle arena any more grandiose, befitting of a final boss

[graceful oyster]

The final boss isn't supposed to be grandiose per se, we've already talked about this

[ancient mortar]

It seems I will have to create one

[graceful oyster]

That's the first one's job

[graceful oyster]

Next time I'm on I'll grab one

[light swan]

can we appreciate the beautiful mosaic-like paint on the "paintbrush" things or the top of that building

MIO SPOILERS

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't really feel like an arena but idk why it should given the context

[light swan]

it helps it be the most visually interesting room in the game

[exotic dome]

i don't think it has to be an epic final boss area as long as it fits the story

[light swan]

using saturated purple outlines in a place like this is wild and its amazing how beautiful its done

[ancient mortar]

I'm working on the true final boss nohit modless so I'm close to grabbing one once I'm off work

[light swan]

yea exactly, unfortunately wrinkled towel hasnt read any of the story yet i think

[fiery burrow]

||The ending is pretty grand too which helps a lot too I think||

[ancient mortar]

As in I don't have to walk far

[orchid spruce]

no, needs to be epic arena

[graceful oyster]

Yeah but I can freecam it and make it look really really cool :D

[opaque sigil]

||the planet looks really cool||

[fiery burrow]

But I see where wrinkled towel is coming from

[ancient mortar]

Fair enough, excited to see it

[light swan]

i know that its not grandiose but i also know it doesnt need to be nor is it trying to be so im completely ok

[fiery burrow]

||The ending shot 🥹 ||

[light swan]

its not the legendary TRUE final boss its the SECRET second final boss

[ancient mortar]

The ending didn't really hit for me. Despite loving the rest of the story.

[round creek]

I somehow defeated trobbio after dying within the 1st 25 seconds of trying to fight them for 20 minutes and then got a good attempt

[ancient mortar]

It was good visually tho

[opaque sigil]

I mean ||it is the true final boss||

[exotic dome]

opinion is opinion, it was a nice ending to a nice game imo

[fiery burrow]

i'm the opposite tbh I wasn't really paying attention to the story then ||I went to the library and got hooked||

[light swan]

theres a lot of people who simply interpret it as the "second" and im one of them

[orchid spruce]

It should have been a giant open arena with some platforms and floating and epic galaxy

[light swan]

^^^ backed up by the lead dev btw

[ancient mortar]

I liked the|| library ||too it's more of the execution of how the ending plays out that didn't sit right with me, not any lore issues

[fiery burrow]

||First ending was def unsatisfying in a way that I think pushed me to get to the true ending (as in its more satisfying and has a harder boss)||

||I don't know what the dev said but I think its a very standard example of a true ending||

[fiery burrow]

wym

[ancient mortar]

I had similar feelings on both endings.

[orchid spruce]

The creature should have had room to show off its form instead of a cramped space

[light swan]

theres no "correct" ending, or at least no "bad and true" ending according to lead dev

[main glacier]

any tips on doing savage beastfly 2 with no upgrades....

[light swan]

erm it shows off it's form a LOT

[ancient mortar]

Mainly, I don't like the hard cut between MIO ENDING SPOILERS ||passing out and showing up at the hearts entrance in atis arms. I think they really needed to play out the sequence||

[light swan]

valid valid

[orchid spruce]

It looked like me trying to go through a 1 meter door

[opaque sigil]

the space isn't cramped???

[orchid spruce]

it feels that way

[fiery burrow]

I see what you mean

[light swan]

man what the fuck 😭

[fiery burrow]

||Didn't impact it that much though imo and tbh there's not a whole lot important going on there that you're missing out on||

[fiery burrow]

||I mean true ending is definitely better though right||

[light swan]

depends on the person interpreting it

[graceful oyster]

In the most logical perspective yes

[fiery burrow]

||Sustaining the vessel just delays the inevitable whereas true ending is better in the long term||
MIO ending spoilers

[graceful oyster]

But there are nuances to it

[light swan]

i think its better but i know a lot of people are angry because it seems worse

by a lot, i mean at least 2

[opaque sigil]

Ok but that’s a media literacy issue straight up

[light swan]

and the lead dev did say he understands if someone interprets the first ending as the good ending

[exotic dome]

true

[fiery burrow]

||Saving the best shot for last ||

[main glacier]

help.....

[graceful oyster]

For example, some people think that the ||travellers didn't deserve to have their legacy continue, which makes the first ending better||

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-burger-jerma985-gif-21383896

[opaque sigil]

Which is so divorced from the actual narrative

[light swan]

mainly its the idea that ||robots should live their own lives and not live for the purpose of their "creators" like slaves||

||and they dont like how much the ending portrays noden as completely worng and evil even if they know he is||

[opaque sigil]

Which they have been doing and can’t keep doing forever

[graceful oyster]

Well. ||They did fail and forsake the mission through the fear of further embeddings.||

[light swan]

dont tell me tell the people who thought that

[orchid spruce]

"youtube memories in orbit story summary"

[fiery burrow]

unrelated but why|| does this early game boss have a ton of keeper heads outside its arena ||

[graceful oyster]

GutenChad the goat has you covered

Let the sweet German vocals resound

[light swan]

"vocals"

[graceful oyster]

Does he not speak during that video?

I've never actually watched

[light swan]

no im not disagreeing, i just think that phrasing here is funny

[opaque sigil]

makes them

[fiery burrow]

ChatGPT gives the best summary because it can relate with the robots

[light swan]

||notice how you said keeper heads... and samsk's mask is there...||

[fiery burrow]

Oh nice

[fiery burrow]

shrue

[graceful oyster]

Like Tammo said, it makes outer decor for ||Keepers and Voices||

[opaque sigil]

when you ||start the fight it says something like "hey why are you here your pearl is already covered"||

[light swan]

when are we getting a face reveal from mio

[opaque sigil]

just a yellow orb

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-typing-im-gonna-die-gif-23570506

[willow turtle]

Me when i beat karmelita earlier today

[orchid spruce]

okie

[rocky jolt]

Tuff

[fiery burrow]

GG

[main glacier]

GENUINELY help 😭

[exotic dome]

ggs

[orchid spruce]

prioritize killing the adds above all else

[candid kayak]

please remember that this is the boss fight

and this is a distraction

[main glacier]

they take 6 hits 💔

[orchid spruce]

ignore the boss, ignore healing, spam tools and spam everything to kill the adds

[main glacier]

at needle 0

[candid kayak]

maybe needle 1 would do better

[orchid spruce]

[main glacier]

im not allowed 🥀

[candid kayak]

always kill the tarmites as quickly as possible

[main glacier]

thats what im trying but they always fly slightly out of reach 😭

[candid kayak]

kite them

[slender juniper]

Why are you even doing beastfly if your doing upgradeless

[candid kayak]

flying enemies are like kites, they try to hover a set distance away from and above you
if you float around in the air, they'll fly higher to maintain the appropriate distance from you

[main glacier]

wish points

[candid kayak]

thus making them harder to reach

[slender juniper]

... litteraly do anything else

[main glacier]

they require tools

[slender juniper]

Farm deliveries

[candid kayak]

0.5 each, one time only

[main glacier]

can you not only do each one once?

is it enough?

[opaque sigil]

you have to upgrade your needle for act 3 anyways

[candid kayak]

all 6 deliveries would be worth 3 points total

[main glacier]

im holding off as long as i possibly cam

[slender juniper]

0,5×3 is 1,5 and then there's more deliveries

[north shore]

hi, cogfly dev here

this has nothing to do with Cogfly, as it doesn't touch the game's code at all, and more likely to do with a mod you have installed

can always make a #1057825333841240104 post or just ask in #modding-discussion and someone can help you fix this

[candid kayak]

not much, but 2 deliveries adds up to as much as savage beastfly will provide

[trim estuary]

Oh hi Nix

[north shore]

-# while I'm here i'd like to ask why you feel this way

[graceful oyster]

I hate cogfly because red tools stink

[north shore]

so many fucking people experience bugs and don't make GitHub issues or mention them in the modding discord that I now found myself searching through this discord to find cogfly bug reports before I release 1.2

[trim estuary]

😭

[slender juniper]

Oh hi ,sorry ,r2modman is better

[north shore]

Yeah, I know you feel that way, you said that already

I’m asking why you think that

I’m not offended or anything I’m genuinely asking what I can improve on

[candid kayak]

yes but what about it makes it better

[zinc wharf]

Are you bored? Do you want more from life? Then I have the solution for you!
Do this hitless.

[candid kayak]

tarmite moment

it's crystal hunters all over again, but somehow even worse to deal with

[main glacier]

I WAS DOING SO WELL i killed 2 of them raaa

[slender juniper]

I tried to install cogfly but it didn't work they're probably both great don't take my criticism I like to spew random bullshit

[north shore]

[main glacier]

death count so far 😭

[candid kayak]

at least tarmites don't spam projectiles at you from OFFSCREEN like crystal hunters do

[candid kayak]

lmao

[north shore]

Do note that if you just ran the exe and it didn’t open, that’s because the exe is an installer

It doesn’t launch the app, it installs it

[candid kayak]

"didn't work, 0/10"

[north shore]

You launch the app yourself

[versed pollen]

Never make a GitHub issue, never communicate with developers

[slender juniper]

Yeah ik

[north shore]

“The food is horrible, I didn’t eat it.”

[candid kayak]

lmfao

[north shore]

Then

[slender juniper]

It said not enough disk space

[north shore]

Oh well duh

[candid kayak]

[slender juniper]

Listen I'm broke on megabites

[north shore]

Cogfly takes up like 50 mb wtf is your disk space

The installer contains the entire app and it’s like 60 mb, without the overhead is even less

[candid kayak]

49mb

[slender juniper]

My SSD is pure dogshit I use data for everything

[north shore]

Just the jar on its own is only twelve megabytes

[candid kayak]

computer exploded

[north shore]

My SSD is pure dogshit I use data for everything
data as in mobile data?

If so, how are these things related

[slender juniper]

No D)

[candid kayak]

try deleting some of your 100 year old minecraft screenshots to make space

[north shore]

OHHH

I think Cogfly does default to C drive

[slender juniper]

I meant drive

[north shore]

I actually do have Minecraft screenshots from like 10 years ago

[slender juniper]

How do I not

[candid kayak]

the trick is to delete the ones in the middle that you don't care about

[slender juniper]

How do I undefault it

[north shore]

I don’t know lmao

[main glacier]

guys be honest is savage beastfly without upgrades even feasible

[north shore]

I just use my C drive

[candid kayak]

I remember my first time running /clear in minecraft

[north shore]

Well it’s feasible to track as a bingo goal because it’s a quest

And I can check its completion status

[candid kayak]

I think I expected it to clear the chat or something, and felt a sinking feeling as my inventory was vaporized instead

[slender juniper]

Yeah but my storage on that is straight dogshit

I have probably delete some unimportant shit

[trim estuary]

Absolutely

[candid kayak]

with all of my command-given items and stuff

poof, gone

[slender juniper]

Why do you hate silksong

[orchid spruce]

downloads and videos folder are the easiest way to recover memory

[main glacier]

how 😭

[candid kayak]

wait that reminds me of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_XaJdDqQA0

[north shore]

I actually do generally dislike it and much prefer HK but the name was a joke

[north shore]

storage, not memory

[orchid spruce]

ok

[slender juniper]

And you're right silksong does suck

3/10 game

[orchid spruce]

6/10

[slender juniper]

No

[orchid spruce]

hk is 7.5/10

[slender juniper]

How fucking dare you

HK is an OBVIOUS 5/10

[orchid spruce]

mio is 8.5/10

[fiery burrow]

true...

[orchid spruce]

nine sols is 9/10

[orchid spruce]

blasphemous 1 is 0/10 (hated it, refunded )

[fiery burrow]

I hope fuure metroidvania's innovate map design as much as Mio did

[rocky jolt]

the mio horse

[orchid spruce]

the map encourages to do seemingly untraditional things

as long as it's possible, you should try doing it to see if it reaches somewhere - that's what mio taught me and i loved that

[fiery burrow]

I read a message on the Mio server about how someone was able to beat ||nabuu while barely exploring metropolis|| on a first playthrough it kinda blew my mind

currently doing a run without picking up dodge

[orchid spruce]

i also did that

[cerulean sable]

should Silksong have Punished Sherma

[orchid spruce]

i only found out about ||metropolis|| very late

like after i beat the first final bos kind of late

[main glacier]

I DID ITTTTT

[fiery burrow]

man what about ||striders||

[rocky jolt]

GOD biome

[fiery burrow]

Is there some other way into ||foundations|| I'm not aware of

[main glacier]

only took.....20 tries

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

i know someone who's first voice was ||halyn, the hand||

[fiery burrow]

[light swan]

and went through ||ALL of the lower half including crucible and sawlong without glide or anything to do with haven||

[fiery burrow]

do you actually need ||glide|| for much

[orchid spruce]

i dont think so

a lot of the times, attack spam is enough

[latent terrace]

Sinner's road is unironically an interesting area

Or is it just me?

[exotic dome]

it gets more interesting

[exotic dome]

that's crazy

[copper hedge]

lmao hornet a-posing

[exotic dome]

the game is full of bugs

[north shore]

whytc

[graceful oyster]

What? You just "need" glide which is hairpin and harv

||Breath|| is supposed to be the first

[copper hedge]

actually that would be a funny mod to make. everything is just a-posing

[main glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DumOxL8epBg only took 20 tries

[fiery burrow]

I think I went ||eye then blood then breath then halyn||

[copper hedge]

damn ggs

[graceful oyster]

Okay well yeah ||Eye|| is first

But of the not dead ones

[north shore]

You’d have to draw an a-posing sprite for every enemy, npc, and boss

[fiery burrow]

Anyway yeah definitely feasible to get that the first I just didn't realize it

[graceful oyster]

Not the trauma pauses and eventual savequit 🙏🏿 This generation is so cooked

Gosh savequitting is so stupid

[copper hedge]

true

[graceful oyster]

"Hm clearly I'm not good enough to do this challenge I think I will just cheat instead, that sounds good I think"

Difficulty? They don't know I know this lifehack!

[copper hedge]

that wouldnt be hard to make those sprites. only problem is that i have little to no Silksong modding experience 🫠

[north shore]

Oh that’s the easy part

[fiery burrow]

This would've been avoided with silk soul

[trim estuary]

I HATE STEEL SOUL RAAAAAAGGHHHH

[north shore]

Just check the current scene for anything with a SpriteRenderer or more likely a tk2dSpriteRenderer and set its sprite

Where it becomes a little harder is shutting down animations but you can just fucking delete the object’s animation component

[copper hedge]

idk i think i got too comfortable with RW's modding because it was completely documented and had official modding support

[fiery burrow]

Do you remember when they changed the steam page and removed all silk soul mentions and replaced them with steel soul and everyone (myself included) was on like major copium about how that was just a mistake 🥀

[trim estuary]

yeah…

[slender juniper]

You took damage and then respawned when the platforms switched, so hornet went 🧍‍♀️ mode

[copper hedge]

that wasnt my video btw.

[fiery burrow]

Heart shattering realization once I beat GMS

[graceful oyster]

I figured

[fiery burrow]

I held onto hope for coral gorge silk soul and sharpe my entire playthrough

[trim estuary]

and then Sharpe isn’t even in the game 💔

[severe jasper]

???

[fiery burrow]

This is a reference to how blind faith is never rewarded in Pharloom

[slender juniper]

Just let him fall

[copper hedge]

he's feelin a lil swag

[wooden laurel]

Be careful bro he’s gonna come back to life and tell you to try a little harder than that and still somehow be the most forgettable boss of the route because funny no iframes man

[severe jasper]

What is this a reference to again

[main glacier]

upgradeless forebrothers first try :3

[fiery burrow]

gg

[main glacier]

guys why are they called the four brothers when theres only 2 of them

[orchid spruce]

"silk soul would be a cool name". "wait, we are thinking about making steel city". "ok change to steel soul to make everything consistent then" i am the bug in team cherry's office

[severe jasper]

The other 2 are sleeping 😴 💤 😪

[wooden laurel]

Four forge brothers in the godhome fight

[fiery burrow]

nah it would also have gameplay changes

[fiery burrow]

been a while since I read the interview but iirc the bell benches would've had like options to increase the difficulty of the area and silk soul would somehow dial that up even more

[light swan]

not much, thats why he idnt even know he was missing an ability i think

[latent terrace]

3 mask damage

[main glacier]

and of course i die to the giant lavalug room

[fiery burrow]

Yeah I'm not sure how well that system would've worked outside like an RPG

[main glacier]

worst room in the game

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-worst-day-of-your-life-so-far-bart-gif-22830016

[latent terrace]

Can't wait for sea of sorrow to give us another long runback

[rocky jolt]

Oh, so you ask funny questions as well as cutting bells free, eh? You certainly ain't a pilgrim, but you're clearly not of the Choir either. No! I know exactly what you are...
A bell-ringing lout! A weirdo! Don't you realise what you've done, waking that shrine back up?

[ancient mortar]

What if the real boss was the runback.

[uncut elk]

this will be a cutscene in sea of sorrow

[ancient mortar]

Mios soundtrack is so damn good

[latent terrace]

[Insert title screen card]

[trim estuary]

aooouu aouu aouuuuuuu

[slender juniper]

What's a homophone again

[rocky jolt]

yall have probably said the word mio more than silksong here for the past week

[eager creek]

This is just Kahnn

[latent terrace]

Damn

Embed fail...

[cunning geode]

two words that sound the same

[wooden laurel]

NEW SILKSONG LEAK
THERE WILL BE ENEMIES IN THE SEA OF SORROW DLC

[slender juniper]

I hate when people say herrah doesn't have a boss yes she does IT'S DEEPNEST

[slender juniper]

So bee and be

[cunning geode]

yes

[slender juniper]

[cunning geode]

or there, their, and they're

[latent terrace]

Are there any area in silksong that is on par or worser than deepnest?

[fiery burrow]

||crucible|| soundtrack is crazy

[cunning geode]

deepnest is awesome what do you mean

[slender juniper]

Putried.ducts

[wooden laurel]

My first time in deepnest after the mantises I just turned right around the second I saw it and didn’t go back until herrah was my last dreamer

[latent terrace]

My claustrophobia speaks different

[slender juniper]

Bilewater is already a worse deepnest and the ducts are a worse bilewater

[eager creek]

People overexaggerate how bad Deepnest is

[rocky jolt]

monomon has a boss and its a bottom of the barrel tier boss

[wooden laurel]

Abyss shriek in deepnest is better than crack

[cunning geode]

https://youtu.be/gTKeB8BnzPY

[rocky jolt]

in the most doo doo random area ever

[slender juniper]

Uumuu exists for quirrel to have screen time sybau

[latent terrace]

Uuwuu

[slender juniper]

[vivid belfry]

ducts are entirely carried by spit squits and you can bait them into instakill traps much of the time

[wooden laurel]

Fog canyons entire premise is literally just “why the fuck did you equip glowing womb/Grimmchild die”

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-gubby-gubby-roblox-gif-14209259479577161211

[slender juniper]

The problem is those are bad on their own and there are the big guys

[exotic dome]

ducts have no positive things

[vivid belfry]

ductsuckers cannot do shit to you if you've played hollow knight

[wooden laurel]

It has a few fleas

[vivid belfry]

they're moss chargers

[broken seal]

bilewater is a better area

[slender juniper]

Are they actually called ductsuckers

[vivid belfry]

yeah

[exotic dome]

should have been a bilewater subarea with only wreath, key, vog, huntress and pale lake

[slender juniper]

IM CRINE

[main urchin]

Hot take I prefer Aeterna Noctis to Afterimage

[rocky jolt]

i just now learnt how to actually kill stalking devouts

[main urchin]

Even if Aeterna makes me want to ragequit sometimes

[rocky jolt]

what typa subarea has those rewards

[broken seal]

you hit them until they die

[main urchin]

Mantis Village probably

[rocky jolt]

really

[latent terrace]

Imagine if the nearest bench to sea of sorrow area is near putrified ducts

[broken seal]

yeah you're welcome 👍

[latent terrace]

[main urchin]

You get Mantis Lords, Mantis Claw, Mark of Pride, the path to Deepnest, etc

[slender juniper]

It's gonna be in crab village

[rocky jolt]

yea man i didnt know that

[eager creek]

Finally, a use for the ducts benches

[exotic dome]

surviving bilewater should be rewarding

[broken seal]

i mean you have basically 4 benches to choose from and a duct bellway

[slender juniper]

Newbies don't know about barnacle bay

[broken seal]

"Surviving" one of the best made areas in the game 💔

[rocky jolt]

yes but that section is only like half of the area

[trim estuary]

It’s going to be accessed through Bilewater most likely

[fiery burrow]

newgens calling it pharloom bay smh my head

[exotic dome]

that's why its peak

[main urchin]

Deepnest is not the worst area in hollow knight but Sinners Road was scarier

[exotic dome]

it was a compliment

[main urchin]

Because of that one lever that dumped me into my phobia

[latent terrace]

Peak? Like fay mountain peak?

[main urchin]

MAGGOTS

[rocky jolt]

''barnacle bay'' alright then dude what enemies is it gonna have, barnacles?

no it actually has crab enemies you dumbass

[exotic dome]

newbies don't know about last oasis and pale balcony 💔

[slender juniper]

What they gonna do

[main urchin]

''pharloom bay'' alright then dude what enemies is it gonna have, pharlooms?

[fiery burrow]

It had barnacles in the trailer ryea'

[exotic dome]

this mf will probably reveal himself as a shaman

[fiery burrow]

relyea

[latent terrace]

We're gonna be inhaling lifeblood with the dlc

[fiery burrow]

If Lomm is gone the DLC is unironically ruined

I'm not gonna be able to enjoy it the same

[rocky jolt]

dead in act 3

[slender juniper]

That's called a drug addiction

[main urchin]

Nah he’s too white

Sorry

[exotic dome]

act 4 hallownest

[main urchin]

Not a race thing I meant the shamans are obscured by darkness and this guy’s fully in the light so you can’t tell

[subtle lynx]

Shit bug

[slender juniper]

Racist

[main urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-face-bfdi-purple-face-bfdi-bfdi-battle-for-dream-island-racism-gif-10199747463361230401

[latent terrace]

How much of a pale skin is too white for a pale being?

[slender juniper]

Okay

[main urchin]

I said for a snail shaman

[slender juniper]

Why can't black people be gods now TEAM CHERRY HUH

[crimson crater]

I BEAT ||THE FINAL JUDGE||

[slender juniper]

Why do all gods have to be "pale"

[main urchin]

The void is black and it eats all the gods

[rocky jolt]

Caine

[subtle lynx]

Shadelord:

[latent terrace]

The humble knight

[main urchin]

YellowFace probably committed more heinous acts than Caine ever did

[crimson crater]

and then ||fell down an elevator shaft adn was diddled by swarms of bugs||

[subtle lynx]

Besides being a good isn't that good

[main urchin]

He legit mutilated tons of people by turning them into bubbles

[north shore]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-claw-machine-claw-machine-gif-2042503886978736488

[subtle lynx]

Almost every NPC in HK and silksong outlived pale king and GMS

[main urchin]

And then they popped and died

[rocky jolt]

that sounds fun

[subtle lynx]

You can't, it's rigged

The car will be there forever

[slender juniper]

What's better silksong or Hollow knight

Have fun arguing I'm going to sleep

[subtle lynx]

Depends

Silksong is better to write since it's shorter

[fiery burrow]

I can think of a game better than both

[subtle lynx]

But hollow knight is better in terms of amount of "o"

[rocky jolt]

two cheeks from the same butt

[subtle lynx]

Shut up

[rocky jolt]

huh i wonder what game

[slender juniper]

If it's Mio 💔

[subtle lynx]

No you don't

[latent terrace]

Hades 2?

[exotic dome]

it's slay the spire 4

[latent terrace]

[rocky jolt]

place your bets nine slops or shitio

[latent terrace]

Ori?

[subtle lynx]

Slopio

[north shore]

Metal gear rising but specifically the cutscenes

[trim estuary]

SteamWorld Dig 2

[fiery burrow]

lone fungus chill

[subtle lynx]

😱

[versed pollen]

I thought you were gonna say Chicory

[fiery burrow]

MGR gameplay is just as good as the cutscenes

[subtle lynx]

Are they actually going to do the sequel

[subtle lynx]

Skurry games

[fiery burrow]

I thought the sequel missed its funding

The demo wasn't that great but neither was the first game tbf

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-black-mesa-gman-stop-gif-1136710120364100320

[subtle lynx]

Yeah it was like that last time I checked but that was a while ago

[subtle lynx]

Too much platforming slop

[subtle lynx]

It also didn't look that good tbh

The one I wish had a sequel is haiku the robot

That game looked pretty cool, but it seemed like a half baked hk

[fiery burrow]

might be better

[fiery burrow]

omorilover29

[latent terrace]

Feels like the next game TC will make, will have 3 mask damage as a default for mobs and bosses

[cunning geode]

good

[exotic dome]

based?

[latent terrace]

Based? Based on what? What sources?

[main urchin]

But then we heal like in the first Silksong trailer

[rocky jolt]

this source

[main urchin]

That heal was like, shorter than the cooldown of the needle

Old Silksong was definitely gonna be easier than New Silksong

[rocky jolt]

why is it called underworks when everyone there is overworked

[main urchin]

Faster Healing, no Last Judge, no Bilewater, Plasmium gives 2 masks at once

[latent terrace]

Wonder if sea of sorrow will give us another crest, and what will it be like

What gameplay or fighting style we haven't unlocked yet?

[mental snow]

My neutral pogo landings are really lacking consistency

[main urchin]

f I s h

Like f o r t n I t e

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-barbenheimer-gif-6192154597275743500

[exotic dome]

funi raccoon game is better than slopsong

[trim estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/squibbly-squibbly-fortnite-fortnite-dublicus-confused-gif-5064189571703961382

[fiery burrow]

what is the raccoon game?

[trim estuary]

idk but i keep hearing about it

i checked KIRA’s twitter and she was posting about it too…

[mental snow]

I hate neutral pogo landings man
Why they gotta be so precise

[main glacier]

i have 17 quest points and have completed bellharts glory but im not getting the bellhome key

[trim estuary]

wait holy crap funi raccoon game is bundled with BRAZILIAN DRUG DEALER 3: I OPENED A PORTAL TO HELL IN THE FAVELA TRYING TO REVIVE MIT AIA I NEED TO CLOSE IT

[candid kayak]

have you upgraded your nail yet

[main glacier]

just now. well, before doing trails end and moving the fleas to fleatopia. but yeah i have

[candid kayak]

is required iirc

[main glacier]

do i have to interact with the locked bellhome first

wait

its not even built yet

[candid kayak]

well the key is given once it is built lol

[main glacier]

how do i get it built

i already did a TPE

[candid kayak]

a what

[main glacier]

time passes elsewhere

save and quitting in a different room to progress the wishes

[exotic dome]

bellhart donation quests

[main glacier]

i have finished bellharts glory

[main glacier]

ive done all of those

[exotic dome]

speak to pavo

or frey

[candid kayak]

bellhome isn't built yet

[candid kayak]

can't take the key until the bell is set up

[visual geyser]

https://youtu.be/OB_tbWXXjx8?si=i-OzHXAi9vy5eWm8

[candid kayak]

try doing this again idk

[exotic dome]

you probably need to wait

[main glacier]

ive tpe'd like 3 times

[visual geyser]

^animation of an nes demake of the trobbio fight

it’s really neat!

[main glacier]

i saw that its peak

[candid kayak]

trigger time passes elsewhere irl

[main glacier]

okay i went to bonebottom and then quit out and went back to bellhart which worked for some reason

maybe i had to be far away enough for the tpe to work idk

silk and soul time

before i finish act 2, these are my death counts so far

[candid kayak]

you must not have been "elsewhere" enough

[versed current]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-gif-18933584

[main glacier]

theres no way i ju-

that didnt happen you didnt see that

[main urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/chop-shop-robots-movie-chop-shop-robots-gif-18404271451275142368

[broken seal]

i thought this was fine until i looked at your masks 💀 gg bro

[silk pumice]

Unfortunate

[main glacier]

act 2 complete with minimal upgrades!

[left crypt]

since you died to them 19 times, a tip for beastfly 2 is that you can just leave the arena at any time

so you can heal easier that way

and pick off the enemies

[main glacier]

didnt wanna cheese any of the fights lol

[left crypt]

fair

[main glacier]

i cant do a challenge run and then cheese fights

[left crypt]

that boss killed my steel soul

when i came in as prepared as possible and expected it to be rough

[mental snow]

Does someone wanna give me an idea as to why I'm somehow remember something like a Massive Mossgrub or smth hiding behind this crevice (Wormways Mask Shard) in my first playthrough? Not specifically a Massive Mossgrub, just something that dealt 2 masks

[left crypt]

honestly i have no idea where that is lol

[mental snow]

Wormways Mask Shard

The area where the Mask Shard is in Wormways

[silk pumice]

What challenge runs have you done so far?

[crisp heron]

mayybe you're remembering the marrowmaw in the first room of the game?

[left crypt]

pretty sure nothing was behind that crevice

[main glacier]

bell eater with minimal upgrades is hard....

[mental snow]

No, I remember killing that guy when I found out he existed

[mental snow]

No yeah that's my point
For some reason, I remember there being something

[left crypt]

massive mossgrubs are only in memorium

[crisp heron]

good luck with the hunters march arena... i hated that one. so bad

[left crypt]

the marrowmaws are only in moss grotto

[mental snow]

It was just something that dealt 2 masks, and it definitely wasn't a Marrowmaw

.... actually

I might have just fucking dreamt this shit.

[left crypt]

im getting in silksong to check

[main glacier]

honestly my biggest fear

[mental snow]

There's nothing behind the crevice, and yet my first playthrough hazy memory somehow recalls something being there

Like one of those big Bone Hopper guys

[left crypt]

weird

[crisp heron]

i was so close to equipping a silk skillfor it on my minimal run it was hell easily top 3 hardest parts along with coral tower and ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i forgor

[left crypt]

the one in act 1 or 3?

[main glacier]

why do coral tower?

[crisp heron]

wanted to fight all the bosses in it

wait not minimal just

lowest equipment and upgrades possible

[brave geyser]

Don't you just love having the most random ass lag spike when the boss is on 3 hp

[left crypt]

dont you have to do coral tower

[brave geyser]

Only to see if it's that bad

Spoilers: it is the worst in min upgrades.

[left crypt]

i mean isnt karmelita worse?

[brave geyser]

In minimum upgrades? Not at all

hard boss vs 4 long gauntlets with enemies who take like 10 hits each with a gauntlet that iam very sure is over 20 waves

[silk pumice]

Not at all

The constant influx of enemies is a giant pain

[brave geyser]

in a normal playthrough though yea probably

[silk pumice]

You need to deal with multiple enemies attack patterns and projectiles

[left crypt]

high halls must be a nightmare

[silk pumice]

You also need to consider contact damage

[main glacier]

bell eater down

[silk pumice]

You can get help for that

Congrats

[main glacier]

if anyones curious these are my deaths so far

[brave geyser]

You can just spawn kill those enemies with silk skills especially with shamman or just threadstorm and volt filament

[silk pumice]

I did it toolless with no skills

[left crypt]

arent silk skills massively nerfed in minimum upgrades

[twin summit]

glad groal can be of help

[left crypt]

and also unusable

[brave geyser]

It wasn't that bad for me but it's really only because i already had a bit of an experience with it
https://youtu.be/DZEIFH_ZF3M?si=Cub4gJx3K4XnqAnT

[brave geyser]

They are still very good actually
Sure they don't one shot but that's still like 3x your needle damage

[left crypt]

their damage is based off of needle damage

[silk pumice]

We know

[brave geyser]

Yea and it does 3x damage of your needle damage

[left crypt]

so still pretty bad

3x needle damage is still weak

when the needle does 5 damage

[silk pumice]

You should see it in a mod i used for a challenge run

Master mode I think it was

I didn't want to continue after gms

2 masks with only 1 damage

[main glacier]

maybe after doing minimal upgrades ill feel confident enough to do steel soul 100% without wasting any attempts

[silk pumice]

It was fun but so long

[brave geyser]

When all your damage is pretty low you'd look for any and every opportunity to use them

[left crypt]

i mean im decently experienced with normal hk randomizers

[crisp heron]

Im genuinely so excited for sea of sorrow the music and characters and art style of this game are genuinely so amazing not to mention the bosses and i hug my pillow every night imagining its shakra and the locations genuinely feel so unique and just fun to explore im really hoping this dlc comes out soon cause i just know im gonna have so much playing it over and over for weeks

[left crypt]

ive beaten quite a lot of bosses with nail 1 and no spells

[silk pumice]

Im not confident enough to redo steel soul even being able to radiant karmelita without max needle, no tools or skills

[twin summit]

groal needs to get better at the game

[brave geyser]

For example in r04 (old nail white spells radiant), while most of your spells only do 3x your nail damage it is significantly easier than nail only

[left crypt]

steelsoul is easy besides beastfly 2

from my experience

[brave geyser]

Depends imo

[left crypt]

i havent made it to act 3

[brave geyser]

if you fight it early probably

[main glacier]

beastfly 2 is pretty easy if you can instakill the ads

[left crypt]

i fought it late in act 2

[brave geyser]

Considering you get the 9th mask when you almost finish bilewater i like to fight sb2 with say hivesteel needle threadstorm volt filament and sawtooth circlet

[left crypt]

im a reaper main my crest is terrible for beastfly

[brave geyser]

Rip bozo /j

[twin summit]

use wanderers

[left crypt]

never will i ever

[twin summit]

or better yet, hunters

[left crypt]

i despise that crest

[twin summit]

i despise reapers

[left crypt]

hunter maybe but im just not great with the pogo

[brave geyser]

I somehow learned hunter from using reaper lol

[twin summit]

worst crest for everything but that one flea game (its 3rd for that one flea game)

[silk pumice]

I use beast

With only barbed bracelet and no skills

[twin summit]

w crest

[silk pumice]

Unless im doing radiant bosses, then I take off the bracelet

[left crypt]

beast is for people more skilled than me

[silk pumice]

Beast isnt that hard honestly

[twin summit]

use hunters, and crossstitch

[silk pumice]

The only shit part about it is the charged and the sprint attack

[main glacier]

i have a feeling my minimal upgrades run is gonna take longer than my 100% speedrun achievement run, even though im not getting all the collectables

ive only just reached the abyss and its been almost 11h

[left crypt]

8 rosaries

[twin summit]

ive done low% gms, but would never attemp TE

[left crypt]

underworks wage right there

[silk pumice]

Lost lace isnt that hard dw

Te?

[main glacier]

im scared of hunters march void arena the most

its mandatory unless i wanna do coral tower, which is even WORSE

[left crypt]

isnt that like 3 waves

of easy enemies

[main glacier]

HM void arena is god awful

[brittle tartan]

last judge is so coooll..ugh

[silk pumice]

Before act 3

[left crypt]

i mean the act three attacks for the most part are easy