sk-discussion

[hardy tangle]

we get to see her like 3 times outside of boss fights and 2 of them are missable

[steep jolt]

i wish we could fight iselda honestly i would much rather have a fight with her than quirrel

[earnest drift]

lace's buildup is good

[hardy tangle]

genuinely so boring

[sharp slate]

yea, tbh i dont mind the hk dash mechanic being so stiff, kinda like nine sols dash being stiff, adds more restriction on combat, just a different form of combat. intresting how it gives a different feel to each game

[vagrant ravine]

none of them spend the story first being annoying to then just be crybabies like lace

[hardy tangle]

nothing about her deserves to be the final boss

fuckass industry plant mushroom head crossaint head

[vagrant ravine]

lace has got nothing on the lore of my goat cubone

[earnest drift]

quirrel is annoying for the entire game

[steep jolt]

what does this genuinely mean

[earnest drift]

i hate his fucking "seruna navageh"

[sharp slate]

i honestly dont even get quirrel as being annoying tbh, i need to reread text tbh

[earnest drift]

and uumuu is a shitass boss

[sharp slate]

i dont have any strong feelings to him tbh, maybe because he wasnt around that often

[steep jolt]

fr

[worn reef]

esp radiant which i cant finish yet

[sharp slate]

i honestly think uumuu pantheon is cool, base uumuu ulg

[vagrant ravine]

he doesnt cry the entire game why tf wasnt there a quirrel fight actually like a spar

[undone gate]

The jellyfish make the boss so much shorter and more interesting

[vagrant ravine]

nah both uumuu are ass

[steep jolt]

uumuu pantheon is so much easier than normal uumuu when you figure them out

ive always seen uumuu as a girl she is genderless tho right

[sharp slate]

same, only thing that would make it better is if they made it consistently spawn on the 3rd attack

[earnest drift]

lace is good because her character doesn't rely on constantly suffering to get sympathy from the player
she's evil to the core but is still neglected by gms in favour of the weavers

[sharp slate]

uumuu is a bitch for p5 speedruns still have 10 second loss on my pb due to them

[earnest drift]

she's fun to fight so she's entertaining while on the screen and generally fun to talk to

[vagrant ravine]

if i was gms id prefer the weavers too fr

[gloomy notch]

lost lace 😔

[sharp slate]

to each their own at the end of the day tbh, I honestly couldnt stand her

[worn reef]

wait what other pantheon is uumuu I swear i dont remember

[vagrant ravine]

dw i found her

[gloomy notch]

hard af

[hardy tangle]

industry plant: celebrities, usually musicians, who gain lots of popularity very quicky but is secretely funded and supported by a larger industry

mushroom head: someones head resembles a mushroom
crossaint head: someones head resembles a crossaint

[vagrant ravine]

4 i think? or 3

[sharp slate]

uumuu is in 3

[earnest drift]

and her development leads to her tearing down pharloom just so her mom can suffer because she resents her that much

[worn reef]

oh I havent done 4 all the way yet

[earnest drift]

she feels like a person unlike radiance

[worn reef]

ohhh

[steep jolt]

how do you achieve these

[gloomy notch]

ive played the entire game without upgrading crests and have only done it now before fighting lost lace, i feel dumb

[hardy tangle]

by being lace

industry plant mushroom head crossaint head

[vagrant ravine]

rex splode has better writing than lace

i miss rex splode

[earnest drift]

i haven't watched the boys

[sharp slate]

to be fair its only the hunters crest that upgrades, easy to miss

[vagrant ravine]

thats in invincible i recommend it, havent watched the boys either

[gloomy notch]

yeah but the two extra slots will make playing shaman more fun

[worn reef]

the R pantheons are actually modded or are they just pantheons that people try to do without getting hit unmodded

wait why am I in silksong channel

[sharp slate]

its based game pantheons no mods needed

[worn reef]

oh

[vagrant ravine]

but yeah id say the strongest part of hollow knight and silksong is firstly the gameplay, its unique and amazing in my opinion, with yeah great stories but theres better stories out there

[sharp slate]

they just say r for radiant as in hitless

[worn reef]

ah

[sharp slate]

honestly hitless is more fun than ab tbh

[gloomy notch]

idk if i like sk more than hk

[vagrant ravine]

undertale is carried by the soundtrack and story for example, gameplay is basic af

[vagrant ravine]

i like hk more but only because i liked the pantheons, without dlc i think silksong, idk i liked the ambience of hk more

it was very calm and felt simple

[gloomy notch]

i feel like in hk i realised my full potential with the mechanics

[sharp slate]

I like both the games equally tbh, if i didnt play so much hk years ago i would still be playing it. Hk has more overworld replayability, silksong has better mechanics

[vivid belfry]

@light swan made it to ||debby||, am I supposed to have a second damage upgrade by now?

[vagrant ravine]

by that you mean spam d dark when in trouble

[gloomy notch]

sk feels so complex that i feel like i am not fully using certain mechanics or abilities

[undone gate]

That's because HK has DLC as of right now and Silksong is yet to have DLCs

[sharp slate]

I still want to try a few more silksong bingos to see how it feels more

[vagrant ravine]

those will be fire

[sharp slate]

silksong bingos just dont seem as fun

[vagrant ravine]

tf are bingos

[undone gate]

It's probably because Silksong is more linier

[gloomy notch]

like run attacks i barely if ever use

[earnest drift]

what is annoying about lace i never got that

[undone gate]

I literally spam it it's so OP

[sharp slate]

here is an example of hk bingo

[earnest drift]

her voice isn't ear-piercing like quirrel's

[hardy tangle]

shes a brat

[earnest drift]

and her lore isn't constant tantrums like radiance

[vagrant ravine]

oh nah id never do that shit fr

[hardy tangle]

use the needolin on her

[gloomy notch]

i feel like i suck at sk compared to how i was with hk but im not sure, though sk is growing on me

[earnest drift]

can a brat be not annoying because i don't get what's annoying about her

[earnest drift]

doesn't she go silent

[sharp slate]

fair, its fun either competetively or coop, theres a whole discord server dedicated to it lol

[hardy tangle]

the way she talks the way she walks the way she dresses

[vagrant ravine]

yknow once i got so pissed off playing gd i just switched to hollow knight and rebeat pantheon 5, thats how much geometry dash pisses me off I HATE FREEDOM08

[earnest drift]

the way she walks is funny it's a fencer hop
and i don't think she wears clothes

[hardy tangle]

no instead of singing she says this same laughing voice line 5000 times

[earnest drift]

no she doesn't what

[gloomy notch]

lace is really fun fight

[hardy tangle]

mr lace knows less about lace than me

[gloomy notch]

lost lace…

[sharp slate]

lace 1 cool, lace 2 epic, LL repetitive

[earnest drift]

show me where she laughs during needolin in her second fight

because you can't have needolin during lace 1

[hardy tangle]

why second fight specifically

[earnest drift]

because save editing isn't canon

[undone gate]

Lost Lace is way better than Lace 2

[sharp slate]

I like how small the arena is for lace 2 tbh

[vagrant ravine]

why tf is VC locked

[gloomy notch]

i love lace 2

lace 3 is 😔

[wind mulch]

The folly of clinging to what is lost, it grapples heavily with morality and where we should draw the line to save what we hold dear. I saw the merging of kingsoul with voidheart as one of the most beautiful interpretations of a character no longer fighting against, but rather accepting grief and it finally put the kingdom to rest due to this. It also grapples with themes of religion/autocracy in a way i thought was a lot more nuanced than silksong, it made the pk a highly sympathetic character consumed by regret rather than just en evil despot. The void itself is also just a beautiful way of portraying grief/regret with how it lashes out and destroys you until you are willing to accept it, and the knight needing a token from both the monarchs who were incapable of doing so, and let their regret eat them alive was very poetic to me. THK as the final antagonist was fantastic, I like how it wasnt some big bad hidden behind some gauntlet but rather your martyred sibling suffering at the entrance of a kingdom it tried so hard to protect. I also would say there is a focus on emotionality and how one can never truly act bound only by duty - the perfect vessel was corrupted by an idea instilled, and that idea was merely the crime of loving its own father, it speaks to the idea that we should never give up what makes us human in favour of pure rationality and I believe the pale king is a cautionary tale to that. I could go on for hours I havent really played the game in almost 5 years so this is just of the top of my head im sure theres a lot more im forgetting.

[sharp slate]

disagree, i like limited space, though if walls were remvoed it would be better, i just dont care for void attacks

[vagrant ravine]

lace 3 is the only hard lace fight and its a banger

[vagrant ravine]

jarvis summarize ts

[hardy tangle]

well i looked at the wiki and there is no singing during lace 2

[earnest drift]

so you made things up for clout

[hardy tangle]

no i blame the wiki

[earnest drift]

you wrote the wiki

[undone gate]

I like Lost Lace more because Lace 2 is just too pattern based without much mix ups while Lost Lace has a lot of mix ups

[hardy tangle]

the only singing from needolin she haas is the 2 second annoying laugh so it still counts shes an annoying brat

[earnest drift]

she never does this

[hardy tangle]

sherma is proof you can be cool while also being a kid

[tight viper]

Lace 2 laughs when the Needolin is played

[hardy tangle]

and joni

[earnest drift]

sherma is better than the knight

[sharp slate]

Fair, some of my salt towards LL may be the fact that shes the final boss as well tbh

[earnest drift]

joni is poo

[earnest drift]

can you show me

[hardy tangle]

lace is a kid and shes annoying

phantom sings her heart out btw

[earnest drift]

there's nothing annoying about lace people are making things up

[hardy tangle]

yes i still had it saved

[earnest drift]

that's phantom

[hardy tangle]

yeah and shes a better character despite having 0 dialogue

[light swan]

the damage upgrades are weird in this game lol

[earnest drift]

i agree

[tight viper]

loading up the game, one sec

[light swan]

you only realistically find 1 until the end of the game

[hardy tangle]

even then phantoms not a good character she just has aura

[sharp slate]

just because you love her doesnt mean other people cant find her annoying

[hardy tangle]

😂

[earnest drift]

phantom is the best character in the entire verse

[sharp slate]

good thing about characters in games is different people like different characters, really shocking

[hardy tangle]

nothingburger

[earnest drift]

if phantom was removed from silksong the game would lose 70% of its quality

[hardy tangle]

you shouldnt like phantom that contradicts everything you've ever said

[light swan]

you CAN find ||2|| after ||striders|| but they’re both pretty hidden and one of them is REALLY hidden

[exotic dome]

i saw a video where lace 2 crying when you use needolin with spider strings

[earnest drift]

i love phantom they're better than lace

[hardy tangle]

im allowed to like phantom but youre not cus you hate characters with no development

[earnest drift]

phantom is like if broken vessel was the best character ever written

[hardy tangle]

and phantom is exactly that

[wind mulch]

also sorry this was just a pure stream of consciousness i shouldve taken more time to elaborate and word things more eloquently

[hardy tangle]

phantom is like broken vessel if they were made of silk

[tight viper]

When the hell did they remove it?

[earnest drift]

if phantom was in hollow knight then hollow knight might finally not be overrated

[sharp slate]

tbh i think you worded it pretty well to be relatively concise, you can easily expand this topic out for a while if needed to lol so much to it

[hardy tangle]

deep down you despise phantom and you know it

[light swan]

so id say you’re doing fine, you can go explore to find some more i think it won’t be too hard to find at least one, but generally the damage upgrades in this game are really hidden and pushed towards the end @vivid belfry

[hardy tangle]

youre just coping cus its a silksong character and not a h*llow knight character

[earnest drift]

as if i would dislike any silksong character who isn't kratt

and the slab flies

[tight viper]

Apparently they removed Lace's laughing response to the Needolin

[hardy tangle]

phantom is objectively a SHIT character with ZERO plot relevance

[vivid belfry]

alright, just wondering because I'm running into scrap piles that take more than a full combo to destroy

[wind mulch]

thank you, yea i will elaborate on things if they ask i just didnt want to flood the channel lol

[earnest drift]

ok bye silksong is better than hollow knight in every way and phantom is better than the hollow knight

[sharp slate]

Various tweaks and fixes

[tight viper]

I guess

Must've been some time this year

[sharp slate]

i honestly dont get why you have to trash on hollow knight so much, seems like you just enjoy being hateful to it

[exotic cedar]

Does she sing now

[light swan]

have fun on ||debby|| btw, they’re low-key underrated imo

[hardy tangle]

cant like one thing without hating another

[tight viper]

Animation is unchanged, she just doesn't make a sound now

[cold oasis]

Marloww si a fembpy

[light swan]

I’m doing them with 0 damage upgrades, abilities, and mods and its low-key really fun

[tight viper]

Quiet as a church mouse

[cold oasis]

Marloww si a fembpy

[vivid belfry]

I beat it already and I thought it was pretty fun

[cold oasis]

Marloww si a femboy

[exotic cedar]

Oh

[fiery burrow]

||Debbie|| goes hard

[cold oasis]

Marloww si a femboy

[sharp slate]

Weird

[light swan]

how long did you spend on the boss again

[fiery burrow]

Nice to have a boss that ||destroys the arena while still actually having a complex moveset||

[hardy tangle]

holy lame

[fiery burrow]

[hardy tangle]

phantom 1 - lace 0

[sharp slate]

Tbh I might make a video comparing silksong and hollow knight because its funny

its intresting how i think both games get stuff correct, both are insanely good

[light swan]

please glaze witch crest

[fiery burrow]

Love of the game

You gotta respect it

[tight viper]

She laughs during the first fight, but not the second

What the fuck

[sharp slate]

i wonder why they changed it/if it was intentional

maybe some spagetti code shit

[fiery burrow]

Kinda interesting characterization

[light swan]

there’s a point when it stops being “silksong is better than hollow knight, here’s some reasons how silksong is better” and becomes “silksong is better than hollow knight, here’s some reasons how hollow knight is bad”

[hardy tangle]

they both have flaws and its ok to dislike some parts but actively ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad to fuel your unwarranted hatred while blatantly misunderstanding certain things or disliking something for the pitiest of reasons is wrong

[exotic dome]

she cries if you use needolin with spider strings in the second fight iirc

[hardy tangle]

lace cant sing she can only hum

[earnest drift]

sorry

[light swan]

don’t gotta apologize, just note it ig lol

[sharp slate]

I want to play more skong, but I attempted a hitless run today and it went HORRIBLE

[light swan]

i don’t have a problem with it myself but as we can see, others do

[earnest drift]

did you see my explanation for why I act this way

[sharp slate]

my motivation is dead atm

[light swan]

nope

[vivid belfry]

I think silksong is marginally better than hollow knight but the ways in which it is good are different from the ways in which hollow knight is good and I don't think either experience invalidates the other

[hardy tangle]

cus youre the devils advocate

[exotic dome]

hitless run?

wrong reply

[wind mulch]

both games are so great u can make a case for either

[hardy tangle]

sk has better gameplay i dont think anyone argues against that tbh

[sharp slate]

yea, all bosses in a row* hitless shaman crest, i working on hitless with each crest, but im kinda getting walled atm

[earnest drift]

it’s an overblown reaction to others saying silksong is badly written and cliche and crap like that, which there was a lot of after I joined this server

it’s been dragged out for months and I should stop

[wind mulch]

if no one in chat is doing that then do not use the overblown reaction, engage sincerely

[light swan]

oh yea, that used to happen a lot

[earnest drift]

I’ll leave this server eventually I make this place worse

[wind mulch]

but i understand u may be frustrated

[hardy tangle]

how it feels to be too stupid to digest complex topics and only care about how cool something is

[light swan]

i feel like there’s ways to get back at those people without being (i think) an asshole

I’m not the one who thinks you’re an asshole but i think others do lol

[wind mulch]

u see this is why i glaze kashimo because he has aura and i like lightning

[sharp slate]

I just think you are a little over the top sometimes lace, its fine overall, but sometimes it just feels like its hate for the sake of hating on it, its fine though

i dont hold it against you, just a critque on the way to argue topics imo

[hardy tangle]

i glaze joni cus i think its cool she tanke allat lifeblood and died in peace without turning into a mutated wad of pulsating flesh

[slender juniper]

What the fuck is happening

[hardy tangle]

zylotol: oh boohoo i cant take 2 droplets of lifeblood im dead

[cunning geode]

indigestion

[wind mulch]

at the end of the day complex themes will always lose to hype moments and aura

[sharp slate]

hk skong discourse per usual monor

hk vs skong earlier

[slender juniper]

IM crine

Son😭

This the shit we arguing about

[hardy tangle]

wtf the hollow knight server is talking about hollow knight ayooooo only in ohio

[exotic cedar]

This is so me lmao

[earnest drift]

edited save files don’t count

[last marten]

Does Weavelight only speed up the rate at which Silk Hearts regen silk, or does it increase silk regen in general?

[exotic dome]

yea i just tested it too she doesnt cry

[hardy tangle]

if i was hornet id take a pic of her standing like a dumbass

[tight viper]

Ok

[willow turtle]

I got to karmelita’s second phase first try

First try and already feeling like a very fun bossfight

[hardy tangle]

we all love phantom cus she has super duper aura not cus shes interesting or complex

[exotic dome]

ggs

she is very fun

[hardy tangle]

im crine

[slender juniper]

"see me cut", Kay sis

[hardy tangle]

if we get sisters of silk instead of prime phantom im doing something terrible to myself

[desert elk]

Lugoli has way more aura

[tight viper]

Lugoli has fake aura

[hardy tangle]

lugoli has stinky fart aura

[tight viper]

Lugoli's the Pollip Pouch of bosses

[hardy tangle]

lugoli has defenders crest aura

[timid plinth]

i kind of wish that lugoli wasn't in the game

[hardy tangle]

i dont think it was that difficult

[fiery burrow]

Lugoli is cool

[tight viper]

Lugoli's a fraud

Lugoli must be killed

[fiery burrow]

Great Taste of Pharloom being one of the like 3 quests with meaningful content 🙏

[hardy tangle]

the ass attack is fun to parry

[molten smelt]

lugoli caked up

[rough anvil]

Delver's drill with pollip pouch

[exotic dome]

culinary lore

[hardy tangle]

i used 2 tools in my entire playthrough sorry

the maggots are surprisingly easy to dodge

tbf i fought him in act 3 cus i really did not want to do the quest

after khann and nyleth

[slender juniper]

Spider strings should ensnare foes faster

Like why does it even exist

[desert elk]

Im missing one last ingredient from that quest so I can get that oil

which surprisingly wasnt in a nail shop in the citadel

I wonder if bugs have nail salons in their life

like how would that work

[slender juniper]

No because they don't have nails

More like "claw salon"

[desert elk]

They use needles in SK and Nails in HK

[slender juniper]

But hornier doesn't have any

[desert elk]

who

[slender juniper]

Hornier

You don't know her?💔

[willow turtle]

You mean hornet?

[slender juniper]

Those are pins

Their technically pin shops

[desert elk]

yeah unless theres a third sibling called Hornier

sorry

4th

[slender juniper]

Make my needle pink bruh

[desert elk]

Is it a blacksmith or a salon

[slender juniper]

Missed potential for a dress salon in the dlc

[slender juniper]

You'd have to use some hard ass paint

[vivid belfry]

@light swan 2 things

1. ||Nabuu was awesome||
2. ||Shattering dodge is fucking nuts||

[desert elk]

I dropped a bunch of sowing needles near some ants, spiders and moths

now they building a place called a citadel

[slender juniper]

Well shit

New WR

I'm so good

[hardy tangle]

bro speedrang the game ❌
bro ran the speedran ✅

[light swan]

||splintering dodge is fucking AWESOME I’m so glad you’re using it||

||its one of the few mods that make you use the slingshot ability and i love the slingshot ability so i love the mod||

[vivid belfry]

in practice ||it's basically just free damage for parrying, but the flavor is cool when you actually get to use it||

[quartz cave]

g roveer\

what are you even talking about ninesols?

[light swan]

pretty much, it’s one of the things that make parry builds a thing late game

[light swan]

mio: memories in orbit

[quartz cave]

mio had parrying i forgot

[trim estuary]

mio is parryslop 😔

[light swan]

grover if you love splodge, youll REALLY love something else later down the line

[snow raft]

MIO is the only MV game that left a sour taste in my mouth. So many good things about & so many atrocities as well.

[light swan]

interesting

i as well as many others love it lol

[snow raft]

Solateria is the game I am looking forward to the most.

[light swan]

easily a top 3 metroidvania according to most people i know

the other 2 are hollow knight and silksong

[snow raft]

I just coulnt love it as much as other MV games. The game felt lacking severely in some aspects.

[light swan]

which aspects I’m interested

[quartz cave]

have you tried prince of persia

[exotic dome]

mio is qualityslop

[slender juniper]

30$ AAA slop no thank you

[snow raft]

Not yet tbh.

[quartz cave]

ill imagine i asked for your opinion

[slender juniper]

Warn yourself for being rude

💔

[quartz cave]

cant i imagine anymore 💔

[slender juniper]

Can mods even warn themselves

[quartz cave]

creativity gating

[slender juniper]

No that's locked behind being rich sorry

[snow raft]

I left a review on Reddit, but I cant post the screenshots here.

My major gripes are the combat, slow movement in a huge overworld, loss of HP throughout the game & many others.

[trim estuary]

If I cut off your arm,

[quartz cave]

-# wow what if i said POP had none of those issues

[trim estuary]

I would say you were lying

[quartz cave]

who even are you bestie

[light swan]

can you send link to Reddit post

[quartz cave]

i dont know you can you please introduce y ourself

[slender juniper]

Nine sols as well

[light swan]

i would say my thoughts but i don’t really wanna

[snow raft]

The combat feels saucless since most you can do is spam a 3 attack combo & everything else is just passive abilities. MIO feels so slow & floaty, which makes exporation drag on when you are just backtracking.

[light swan]

muos combat system is my personal favorite platformer combat system and the depth is genuinely crazy

[trim estuary]

Is Possessors The Best Metroidvania Of All Time?

[snow raft]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MIOmemoriesinorbit/s/TOw7xzX0dk

just a warning, I lost it with the comment section.

[light swan]

i assume you don’t use the faster movement options when walking around

[exotic dome]

oh no

[snow raft]

I personally couldnt enjoy it. The bosses were fun, but the enemies are so boring to fight. The bosses are fun because of their creativity, not because of the combat.

[light swan]

btw about the “barely any health increase”

you double your hp, like Qhat LOL

[snow raft]

I dont remember tbh. I havent played it since it released.

[slender juniper]

Mio combat is not bad it's just very unforgiving because there's no heal

[trim estuary]

After a brief glance at this post, I think you would LOVE Rain World!

[slender juniper]

I didn't have a problem with speed because I crawled everywhere

[snow raft]

Yea I know, but I dont like the idea of upgrading your health, only for you to lose them. It feels weird.

[trim estuary]

Really? I’m not that far into MIO and the enemies are really cool imo

[fiery burrow]

???

[trim estuary]

what

[fiery burrow]

I had 4 bruh

[slender juniper]

But yeah I'd definitely like Mio more if it has a mana system and a heal, for me the combat is kinda sauce less but it's still fun

[snow raft]

Dunno. Most enemies I just ignore since there is not much you can do in terms of combat.

[light swan]

ok but instead of dealing with double damage you lose 1 hp for every 2 you find

[light swan]

i think you just haven’t interacted with it at all

i can tell since you think there’s only 1 kind of attack

[snow raft]

I did, but I reached a point where I just didnt care about the enemies.

[slender juniper]

I just think there's a mana system missing

[light swan]

clearly you haven’t seen builds where the player sails while striding to strengthen the strider attack and hairpin damage

[slender juniper]

Your only modless damage output are melee attacks

Which is kinda boring

[snow raft]

What other attack is there other than the default attack? The grapple feels like an accessory tool rather than an attack. I know there are mods to help with the attacks, but most of them feel like just enhancements instead of giving you more options for different attacksz

[light swan]

and ||slingshot||

[fiery burrow]

Well yeah mods are where the complexity comes from

[finite swift]

What makes me wonder is whether Steel Assasin Sharpe is in the same case as the kingsmoulds? A being made of void with its purpose to serve/protect its ruler

[light swan]

there’s a unique attack while striding and while sailing

[exotic dome]

i had 5 i think

[trim estuary]

Ohh so like Terraria

[lavish apex]

that's sauce for sure but tbf nothing in the game is remotely hard enough to push gameplay like that

[light swan]

also, don’t ignore mods plz

mods enhance the combat so much

[trim estuary]

YES Sharpe is void!! This is the community consensus!!

[fiery burrow]

No terraria doesn't have complexity 💔

[finite swift]

sharpe HAS to be made of void these look too similiar to void

[light swan]

hairpin can turn into an attack with mods

[fiery burrow]

holy throwback

[finite swift]

CITY OF STEEL TOMMOROW PLEASE TEAM CHCERRY

[slender juniper]

Silksong Combat does it well where you can choose to save your mana for heals or be aggressive with cool spells

[light swan]

sail builds are crazy strong with mods, because of your other sources of damage

[snow raft]

Didnt know that or I forgot about that. It still didnt help me with enjoying it. I am just used to playing HK Castlevanias & such.

[trim estuary]

4 years

[light swan]

LOL

[vivid belfry]

thank you discord

[fiery burrow]

wassup illusionblue

[finite swift]

Fuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkk

[light swan]

poor ghost ping

[finite swift]

wait a minute why waws i pinged

[vivid belfry]

||I keep fucking losing max HP is there a way to undo this||

[trim estuary]

Hello IllusionBlue!

[light swan]

nope

[lavish apex]

no

[slender juniper]

No that's just how all steel people look like

[vivid belfry]

awesome

[lavish apex]

owned
themes and such

[light swan]

ALSO (because apparently most people don’t know this)

[lavish apex]

(unironically)

[light swan]

but those tremors have crazy lore and story impact

And also

You’re not the only one losing hp

[vivid belfry]

I see

[bronze gulch]

Do we know if there are plans for a Silksong vocalized mod? If so, can someone give me details? I’d love to see such a thing.

[finite swift]

I think theres different types

[light swan]

it may seem like a purely a downside but the game is balanced around it too

[fiery burrow]

would love another vocalized

[light swan]

especially since you’re not the only one losing hp

[finite swift]

I NEED THE GREEN PRINCES VOCALIZED I NEED THE GREEN PRINCEVOCALI

[light swan]

this is also ignoring the story impact and reasons

[exotic dome]

steel assassin sharpe is actually steel

[light swan]

so i think it’s a wonderful addition even if it’s not perfect

[slender juniper]

Okay but why does the game have like 5 damage outputs

[light swan]

how can you enjoy it if you didn’t know it existed

[slender juniper]

Fucking shairpin and firefly

[light swan]

what does this mean

[lavish apex]

the problem with them is the arbitrary and avoidable trigger conditions

[slender juniper]

Attack,shairpin,float mods,what else

[light swan]

strider attack

glitch trail, afterimage

[slender juniper]

What is that

[fiery burrow]

shairpin is the best one btw

[light swan]

Float attack obv

slingshot damage

[slender juniper]

That's still too little

There should be way more variety

[light swan]

how? Slingshot damage is fucking cracked

Oh nvm

[fiery burrow]

tf is slingshot

[light swan]

wild cat

[lavish apex]

slingshot is

[fiery burrow]

i missed all the mods 😭

[light swan]

ability

[lavish apex]

alright

[fiery burrow]

oh that one

[light swan]

slingshot is fucking awesome

[fiery burrow]

Yeah its cool

[lavish apex]

certainly the ability of all time

[graceful cairn]

we playing will of the wisps tonight boys

[light swan]

it would be my favorite ability if there was more mods or platforming based around it

[fiery burrow]

Makes modless more interesting

[slender juniper]

If I made a metoridvania I'd make a balanced weapon system with different attack and spell options

[graceful cairn]

afterimage type shit (i havent played it)

[fiery burrow]

if I made a metroidvania I'd change the genre to something good like a roguelike soulslike movement shooter

[light swan]

• attack
• float attack
• wild cat
• strider attack
• afterimage
• firefly
• shairpin
• glitch trail
• targeted/slingshot

[fiery burrow]

is afterimage actually useful

[lavish apex]

the biggest reason i prefer hk/silksong combat to mio's other than your evasive options feeling better is probably soul

[fiery burrow]

💔

[graceful cairn]

if I made a metroidvania id add gameplay probably

[fiery burrow]

Silksong I think is the most interesting

Ofc mana is huge but also its like the only metroidvania ever to have good enemies

[glacial kelp]

if i made a metroidvania i would not add gameplay

[ancient mortar]

I think silksongs healing system helps slow down fights on a first playthrough. As mio makes you go full aggressive all the time

[finite swift]

is this about silksong i cant understand half of this chat

[lavish apex]

as in the mechanic, encompassing silk because it's generally similar. not twitterspeak soul

[light swan]

there’s still no world where i can ever say i like silksong combat more than mio combat

including witch crest

[fiery burrow]

Nah its about memories in orbit

[slender juniper]

This is still way too little compared to other Metroidvanias and most of these are locked behind mods

[fiery burrow]

MIO definitely made me want to do hitless more though

[glacial kelp]

this is the silksong discussion channel obviously its about silksong

[graceful cairn]

cheating on witch crest with mio 💔💔

[ancient mortar]

Silksong is only the topic here half the time, but if you have a silksong related topic feel free to drop in with it. We discuss other games a lot when there's a lack of new skong related topics

[light swan]

that’s true but it’s enough i feel

[fiery burrow]

Negative mods just incentivize you to push the game farther than HK and SS

[subtle lynx]

hk/and silksong are the only hollowknightlikes with good and varied enemies, are all other hollowknightlikes out there are mostly platforming slop cause it is easier to make that than a good amount of good enemies and bosses

[light swan]

most people agree that combat isn’t mio’s strong suit

but the depth is just perfect for me

[fiery burrow]

Drop HK that game does not have good enemies 🥀

[snow raft]

Arent these mostly passive effects or enhancements to the base attacks instead of being new attacks?

When playing Blasphemous, you have your melee weapon where you can enhance it (power it) & you have spells.

Silksong has basic melee attacks, red tools & silk skills.

MIO mostly just has the basic attack. No spells or tools.

[light swan]

i also love how there’s so many different play styles revolving around so many different things

[subtle lynx]

it has like 250, how many other games out there have that many

[light swan]

nope, all of those are new attacks

[trim estuary]

Quantity ≠ Quality

[subtle lynx]

and the vast majority have unique attacks

[glacial kelp]

it changes the way you play though

[slender juniper]

Blasphemous 2 has even more options

[fiery burrow]

You approach a lot of them in the same way though

[subtle lynx]

you think hk enemies are low quality?

[exotic dome]

yea i wish there were more silksouls games

[lavish apex]

mio also forces itself to add a lot more delayed attacks so you can't cheese everything with dodge and i feel that slows it down a bit

[light swan]

passive effects are like foolish ideal, bird of prey, black widow, counter measures, etc

[trim estuary]

They’re just fine for the most part

[snow raft]

Man…. I swear these are just mods or specific combos….. regardless, MIO is a great game, but not my fav.

[trim estuary]

Silksong’s enemies are actually good

[exotic dome]

they are pretty basic tbh

[subtle lynx]

I agree

[snow raft]

Yeah I am playing it right now & I love the combat & movement in it.

[ancient mortar]

I think it's very good they added the nohit mod. Doing all negative mods is a lot of fun btw.it something I wished skong would have. But nothing beats the nohit accomodations that everhood adds. It makes it so convenient when theres a difficulty where you die in one shot and don't have to manually reset fights.

[subtle lynx]

I think they are complex enough for the most part

[slender juniper]

Which weapon do you main

[fiery burrow]

Still need to give Everhood a shot

[subtle lynx]

the game also has like 50 bosses

[light swan]

and these are really good too

makes the game so much more interesting compared to like, volt filament or barbed bracelet or unbreakable strength

[fiery burrow]

But yeah I was doing the true final boss hitless like a few hours after beating the game

[light swan]

since you have to build your game plan and strategy around it

[fiery burrow]

Very cool mechanic

[snow raft]

I got inspired by the Last Judge & I am using the mace with fire.

[heady iron]

if a game was good then modders wouldn't feel the need to change it at all

[subtle lynx]

worst take ever award goes to

[fiery burrow]

this but with terraria

[light swan]

such as popping a bird of prey after shairpin to quickly refresh and shairpin again with more damage

[ancient mortar]

It's got my favorite combat and boss design by far, hitless bosses are incredible especially the four secret super bosses that have the most incredible battles. Never have I had to feel like a fight was too short with everhood.

[light swan]

or stuff like holding firefly, dropping it to sneak in kinetic thrust damage

[trim estuary]

they’ll finally make mage good bro trust me they’re gonna do it

[light swan]

which also helps refill energy

[snow raft]

What about you?

[light swan]

all the little interactions make the game so much more interesting to play

the gameplay loop between shairpin and bop is so addicting

[slender juniper]

Same

[trim estuary]

the music is also pretty good so i guess that’s a bonus

[light swan]

even foolish ideal, the most basic one, is really interesting as it adds a lot of energy management to the table

[fiery burrow]

There's like uhh a really busted lifesteal thing for mages in calamity or something

[trim estuary]

Calamity 🤢

[fiery burrow]

true...

[light swan]

splodge and countermeasures turn parries into a very strong damage opportunity

[ancient mortar]

It's funny I'm so picky with games even my favorite game I wouldn't give a perfect score and have some criticisms of. The only game I think i don't have any criticism for is outer wilds (except a bit with the dlc)

[slender juniper]

EUGH WHY ARE THERE SO MANY NEW METROIDVANIAS IM GOING BROKE

[trim estuary]

NO WAIT

[fiery burrow]

Anyway if they ever make new Mio bosses they should make hairpin iframes more important imo

[trim estuary]

Everhood is not a metroidvania

[light swan]

im noticing im very into games with high highs and low lows

[ancient mortar]

Everhood not a metroidvania don't worry

[light swan]

i think its enough, hairpin is already crazy useful

[trim estuary]

Everhood falls under indie JRPG about depression

[light swan]

its just that all parries are stupid (except for UC)

[opaque sigil]

I love countermeasures

[ancient mortar]

Doesn't have a single RPG mechanic iirc

[fiery burrow]

Its fun but the positioning and energy management the true final boss without dodge or any modifiers demanded was very interesting

[slender juniper]

Afterimage has 9/10 on steam I gotta play that

[light swan]

afterimage is exactly what i mean here

[opaque sigil]

I'm surprised it's that high lol

[light swan]

same for games like mio and xenoblade 3

[fiery burrow]

Not really a "The current combat is bad" type of thing more of a "Wow I want more of this" deal

[light swan]

theyre by no means perfect games

[slender juniper]

Also the new Castlevania looks nice

[light swan]

but where they succeed, they REALLY succeed

[trim estuary]

The second one does so it counts

[slender juniper]

Why

[light swan]

and that lets me look past the fact that it's not a perfect game

[heady iron]

well 9/10 dentists recommended my toothpaste and I still got cavities when I brush with it once a week

[ancient mortar]

Yeah but everhood 2 is ass so we don't count it

[light swan]

afterimage targets a super small target audience

[trim estuary]

GROOOOOVERRRR

[mortal bluff]

Saw that the underworks air vent is pogoable now. Does this make drifters cloak entirely optional now?

[slender juniper]

And that is

[opaque sigil]

it has some shit that probably wouldn't appeal to most mv fans

[light swan]

tryhard metroidvania fans who have too much time

[slender juniper]

Hey that's me

[light swan]

but also, stuff like the combat and bosses are alright at best

the world is like, double the size of silksongs

[slender juniper]

[light swan]

and a lot of people dont like that

[light swan]

actually no i really like afteirmage combat and at least 1 afterimage boss

[north hedge]

Which part of silk song made you cry the most

[light swan]

none, silksong doesnt make me cry

[fiery burrow]

I never cried but entering the Citadel was really cool

[exotic cedar]

No part in silksong made me cry

[trim estuary]

“I remain a daughter of Hallownest” made me cry of laughter

[light swan]

the biggest complaint ive heard about afterimage is that it's worldi s too bloated

"big for the sake of being big"

[exotic cedar]

I don't really cry to videogames but nine sols true ending made me tear up a bit

[slender juniper]

Does it have a weapons system?

[light swan]

yes

[slender juniper]

PEAK

[light swan]

while i think afteirmage's world is the perfect size

[opaque sigil]

you have two equipped at a time on different buttons

[slender juniper]

PEAAAAK

[light swan]

theres also a spells system that ive never once used

[slender juniper]

PEak

[trim estuary]

Can’t believe they stole that from Dead Cells smh my head

[slender juniper]

PEAK but I'm broke

[exotic cedar]

Dead cells mentioned

[earnest drift]

lace’s death

[heady iron]

dead cells fans when they have ashy skin

[subtle lynx]

So tuff

[light swan]

Games dont make me cry

With the sole exception of

[subtle lynx]

I've cried more on HK and sk replays than on my first playthroughs

[opaque sigil]

when I realized the fetch quests were mandatory and tc fell off

[finite swift]

nine sols when i have only 8 souls

[slender juniper]

WHY is it on mobile I'm crine

[earnest drift]

I like the quests I like helping people

[finite swift]

nine sols when

[exotic cedar]

I don't cry to videogames, i make them cry

I make even the devil cry

[fiery burrow]

Years of thinking about how cool Silksong quests were gonna be while the Grimm Troupe was staring me in the face all along

[trim estuary]

Silver Bells

[verbal trench]

tbh silksong made me tear up with its story more than hollow knight did, i think tc executed the emotional points really well

[light swan]

wtf 😭

[earnest drift]

lace is a very heartfelt character that players will sympathise with despite her awful actions

[verbal trench]

but "i remain a daughter of hallownest" is admittedly funny

[earnest drift]

I enjoyed the inclusion of the void in act 3

[subtle lynx]

Literally everyone hates lace

[finite swift]

Thats a bit ultra dont you kill?

[subtle lynx]

No one did

[exotic cedar]

I did NOT sympathise with lace

[trim estuary]

I don’t hate Lace, thank you very much

[opal sparrow]

I love how the Silksong community can just all mutually hate Groal the Great. Im on my 2nd Silksong run and even though Ive defeated him before I'm still having alot of trouble with the boss fight😭 Wish me luck💔

[finite swift]

I need MORE power

[exotic cedar]

So true ...

[slender juniper]

TC:"lace is a very heartfelt character we wrote, she feels like her life i-" community:nah fuck that bratty ass bitch

[fiery burrow]

I cried to e33 tbh

[verbal trench]

i like lace, i think she's fairly well written

[north hedge]

have you played act 3?

[subtle lynx]

Yeah for the 3 lines of dialogue she has

[rocky jolt]

i cried to e33 because of how doo doo ahh it is

[trim estuary]

Why Would Simo Say This?

[fiery burrow]

I cried tears trying to emulate the 4 lakes that were drained to create the ai textures

[opal sparrow]

AGREED😭

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[finite swift]

LMAOOOO

[ancient mortar]

I think the ending got me a little

[finite swift]

that cant be speed

[exotic dome]

i didnt cry but act 2 starting cutscene, last dive and red memory was cool

[slender juniper]

Lowkey if lace wasn't there what plot armour would save hornet at the void trap

[verbal trench]

that's a bit exaggerated, i wish she had more lines but i think the lines she has portrays her character well enough to get her vibe

[slender juniper]

Idk a rock falls and she gets out

[rocky jolt]

me

[finite swift]

her little sibling

[light swan]

the first time i cried to a video game it was my birthday

[subtle lynx]

Yeah we get her vibe but she's nothing special idk

[trim estuary]

The Knight if the Voidheart was consistent

[subtle lynx]

She's aight

[ancient mortar]

The amount of games that have made me cry are short. Silksong is on it surprisingly. But mainly it's outer wilds, omori, and undertale back when I was a kid. Laika too I think but I'm not sure if I did

[finite swift]

the first time i cried in a video game is when i stubbed my toe

[verbal trench]

OUTER WILDS MENTIONNNNN

THAT GAME RUINED MY LIFE ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[earnest drift]

I enjoyed silksong’s true ending, it was very fulfilling

[opaque sigil]

outer wilds will do it

[ancient mortar]

I hoped mio would make me cry but the ending ||didn't really land the emotional gutpunch for a number of reasons||

[finite swift]

im to broke ass to get MIO

[subtle lynx]

I've never played undertale like most undertale fans, but the playthroughs made me cry

[slender juniper]

Ah yes the ultimate hornet plot armor ,the knight

Anyways gn it's 4 am

[trim estuary]

Good night

[subtle lynx]

The only thing that did was the flowey boss

[exotic cedar]

It was fullfiling for me because i got the steam achivement

[verbal trench]

the only games that made me genuinely sob were outer wilds, unbeatable, and omori

[ancient mortar]

I think it's probably the perfect ending for that kinda game. Does remind me of the end of one of my other favorite games but ow did it better.

[earnest drift]

lace’s appearances in silksong are efficient at presenting her character, motivations, and eliciting sympathy from the player

[verbal trench]

silksong made me sniffle but only on first playthrough

[ancient mortar]

Omori made me cry but it's not the scene you'd think would do it

[light swan]

whyd you expect mio's ending to make me cry lo

[verbal trench]

hollow knight didn't get anything out of me but i was stupid in high school and kind of ruined the experience for myself cus i was impatient

and kept looking everything up

[opaque sigil]

yeah pretty much

[light swan]

the saddest i get is a feeling of emptiness/dullness when i listen to asmas ballad

[wind mulch]

have u played Before Your Eyes

[ancient mortar]

Huh? I said i hoped it would make ME cry

[verbal trench]

if i went through hk truly blind it definitely would have gotten me emotional

[subtle lynx]

If you truly understand the HK lore, there are tons of moments worth crying

[earnest drift]

I think the “I remain a daughter of Hallownest line” is included due to the void being a massive part of Hallownest’s history and the irony of hornet being from that land yet being afraid of it

[trim estuary]

I watched a playthrough of that game that’s a cognitohazard bro

[light swan]

oh i meant you not me mb lol

[subtle lynx]

That's why I cried on my second playthrough and more

[wind mulch]

hollow knight made me emotional lol

[opaque sigil]

the only game that's a cognitohazard is blue prince and everyone should play it

[minor plank]

Wifies is so back

[exotic dome]

it's included just to include the word "hallownest"

[subtle lynx]

I don't cry because I get sad in sad moments, I do when what I'm playing or watching is just TOO EPIC

[verbal trench]

i'm sure but i mean like, the surface level story, i spoiled myself on basically everything so i didn't really experience the story the intended way

[ancient mortar]

I mean ||it's a very sad ending, conceptually, it just didn't land emotionally for me personally||

[trim estuary]

It’s included because it’s really really funny

[earnest drift]

there is NOTHING worth crying about in hollow knight, I don’t care about Quirrel because his voice is annoying and I’m glad he died, I don’t care about the hollow knight because their character is suffering for the sake of suffering and nothing else, I don’t care that the knight sacrificed themself because they have no personality and I was never attached to them

[opaque sigil]

'this truly was my hollow knight: silksong, but I remain a Sentinel and Protector"

[rocky jolt]

shut uppp bro

[exotic dome]

it was me, you're welcome

[wind mulch]

what is with hornet and aura farming

[light swan]

the ending isnt even the sad part with mio for me at least lol

[verbal trench]

honestly i think the line only exists because they wanted to find a way to include "Daughter of Hallownest" as a "final" callback to hollow knight but it turned out really fuckin goofy

[subtle lynx]

yeah, I get why YOU would not care about anything in hk

[subtle lynx]

I think it was cool

though lace probably has no fucking clue what is she talking about

[ancient mortar]

We need to make that group chat so I can discuss the ending without spoiler tagging

[verbal trench]

i also think it was cool (in the moment) but retrospectively it's admittedly a funny line

[opaque sigil]

||the keeper of the eye in the pit||

[ancient mortar]

With grynne and blebbes etc

[earnest drift]

the pale king is stupid and brought all the problems upon himself because he didn’t think to imprison the hollow knight outside of hallownest, and if he had the game NEVER would have happened, the entire plot hinges on major characters acting stupid

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-gif-12067866563295373623

[earnest drift]

ok venting over
sorry gang

[exotic cedar]

Hating just to hate 😭 This is just a war without reason

[wind mulch]

hollow knight server member posts worst thematic analysis ever, asked to leave channel

[earnest drift]

i do not like how this channel becomes condescending when I am positive about silksong

[minor grail]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-rdj-juggtok-giftok-tonystark-facials-gif-3958302751287261929

[subtle lynx]

the gaslighting is INSANE

[exotic dome]

uhhh the issue is not that i think

[subtle lynx]

you constantly shit on hk and that's what people call you for

[rocky jolt]

why is his face nornal

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-sully-avatar-gif-27319717

[heady iron]

why's rdj photoshopped over the original

[earnest drift]

this is the reason I choose to be negative about hollow knight so much
because it strangely leads to less backlash than when I am positive about silksong

[light swan]

theres the mio server maybe

[wind mulch]

how can i be a victim today

[exotic cedar]

The constant shitting on hk gives me a sheer heart attack

[rocky jolt]

literally nobody is forcing you to act like this

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-zvh-zombies-vs-humans-discord-disappointment-gif-1301418822191068280

[heady iron]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[ancient mortar]

I do feel I'll get jumped if I put all my thoughts there lmao

[opaque sigil]

nah people are chill

[light swan]

||lighting candles for your voice at a shard of her corpse||

[light swan]

ive never seen anyone get jumped

[exotic dome]

they are more chill projably

than this server

[rocky jolt]

song song song silkur

[light swan]

youll get jumped if you say like "ive dont like mio's story, also i never read my inventory"

[opaque sigil]

silksong fans are uh yeah

[exotic dome]

this server has 5000 billion members or something

mio server has less than 1000

[earnest drift]

I liked the lore of the weavers

[wind mulch]

what is it with the fans of character driven indie games being the way they are

[exotic dome]

every big fandom is insane to some degree

[heady iron]

cause aaa games are for grown ups and indie games are for children and children are annoying

[exotic dome]

worst take oat

[wind mulch]

ur right

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-pie-blackbeard-gif-14039911967990905516

[earnest drift]

I liked the expansion upon lifeblood lore in silksong

[exotic dome]

same

[tight viper]

This might be a shot in the dark, but I think it's ragebait

[rocky jolt]

hk and silksong fans when you DARE tell them both games are ass

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-comment-above-fact-facts-facts-meme-gif-2124243457389189191

[exotic dome]

some aaa fandoms are unbearable lmao

[heady iron]

tadc fans when gooseworx DARES tell them jax and pomni are the main characters

[ancient mortar]

I liked most things about silksong except for red tools and some criticisms on act 3s boss lore

[earnest drift]

I don’t like amazing digital circus

[ancient mortar]

And slabfly entries are bad too

[earnest drift]

the pacing is slow and empty

[wind mulch]

yea but aaa fandoms are unbearable in like a kind of animalistic pure way

[exotic dome]

rdr2 fandom, souls fandom, any competitive game fandom

[rocky jolt]

am i stupid or should one be way rarer than the other

[ancient mortar]

I lik tadc but I don't think I have the will to engage with that nightmare fandom

[earnest drift]

I don’t understand why these were a bad thing
it shows another side of Hornet’s character, so what

would it not be expected for spiders to have a vendetta against flies

[wind mulch]

silksongs gameplay is great the only criticism i have is tools were handled poorly

[verbal trench]

True! i like to play call of duty and battlefield. i have a 2.33 gpa

gaming is dead

[rocky jolt]

shell shards were created by satan

[tight viper]

There are other flies in the game

[wind mulch]

outside of very few their literal only utility is dump them all on the boss for free damage

#zoring

[earnest drift]

are they inspired by common houseflies

[north hedge]

Did anyone find watcher of the edge without a guide and or knowing of their existence?

[tight viper]

Spiders don't just eat common houseflies

[verbal trench]

wait no 2.33 is like very average gpa. i have a 0.98 gpa

[exotic dome]

and like 40% of them don't even do that they are just ass

[earnest drift]

the stereotype does

[wind mulch]

yea

tools were a big miss for me

[tight viper]

what

[wind mulch]

spiders stereotypically eat flies

[earnest drift]

the stereotype of spiders eating common houseflies
it’s everywhere

[exotic dome]

me but it was pretty random

[heady iron]

we're really stereotyping in the big 26

[wind mulch]

arachnophobia

[verbal trench]

i shoot my tongue out at any housefly i see

[tight viper]

Spiders stereotypically eat whatever bug ends up in their web

[rocky jolt]

nuu has dialogue guiding you to it

[light swan]

i wish i liked more well rounded games

[north hedge]

oh really?

[tight viper]

fly, mosquito, moth, ant, whatever

[light swan]

theyre so much easier to recommend

[north hedge]

ive only talked to nuu like three times

[rocky jolt]

Near the edge of those lands swept by wind and sand, Nuu has seen it, a single bug, watching, waiting.
Too scared was Nuu to crawl close, for fear it would wake, and its big blade might mark this perfect shell.
For the journal's sake, you should seek the bug, up on edge, through a tall tunnel hidden by crust.
A hard find, that one, but Nuu is not worried! She knows your adult cunning will see you there quick!

[ancient mortar]

Mios pretty well rounded

[opaque sigil]

mio's a well rounded game

[light swan]

i dont really think so

[heady iron]

spiders also eat birds and mice

[earnest drift]

lost lace was a wonderfully climatic conclusion to silksong and she was very deserving of being the final boss

[light swan]

it has it's flaws and certain ideas that definitely dont try to please everybody

[wind mulch]

will you walk into my parlour? said the spider to the fly

[opaque sigil]

well rounded doesn't mean flawless

[ancient mortar]

Good games can never please everybody it's impossible, and trying would ruin a game

[exotic dome]

people set their time forward 10 years to get this achievement

[light swan]

exactly

but something like hollow knight or silksong is definitely a lot more well rounded than mio

[rocky jolt]

oh so they just cheat alr

[lavish apex]

i think mio is more well rounded than silksong

[exotic dome]

true

[light swan]

well rounded is like jack of all trades master of none

[wind mulch]

lost lace made sense thematically but i do not care about lace enough to want to fight that mf a third time

[heady iron]

mio is certainly rounder than hornet

[rocky jolt]

silksong is a pretty round game

[opaque sigil]

mio has better platforming and a more interesting map

[ancient mortar]

Dark souls 1 is a game I'd consider not well rounded. Incredible world building and world design, decent bosses, then it jumps off a cliff in the final act. Only being saved by the dlc.

[light swan]

really good in a lot more areas

[wind mulch]

what even is mio

[light swan]

while games like mio, afteirmage, xenoblade, really hone into one specific category

[exotic dome]

dark souls 1's second half is abysmal dogshit

[lavish apex]

a metroidvania that released in january

[ancient mortar]

I agree mios platforming is better and the exploration is very fun.

[opaque sigil]

'decent bosses'

[ancient mortar]

There's some goodies in there

[wind mulch]

games can be great and not well rounded like monster hunter is so good but it may have the worst storyline like ever

[exotic dome]

very good metroidvania that released in 2026

[opaque sigil]

ds1 bosses are mostly terrible ngl

[exotic dome]

artorias and uhhh

[ancient mortar]

Not as good as anything else in the series but its alright.

[earnest drift]

I think that fetch quests such as muckroach guts and fine pins are good if the player initiates them early and collects the items along their journey

[wind mulch]

oh i see ill give it a try when i have the time

[ancient mortar]

Ds1 is over glazed definitely. But I liked bell gargs and quelaag

[verbal trench]

i've been wanting to give dark souls another chance cus when i played a little bit of dark souls 2 and elden ring years ago i just couldn't get into it

[opaque sigil]

ds1's biggest appeal relative to the other entries is the map layout in terms of area connections, its bosses are worse than ds3 and its level design is worse than ds2

[lavish apex]

is it worth trying another soulsborne if you didn't like elden ring very much

[wind mulch]

oh my god the silksong fetch quests i forgot about them

[opaque sigil]

yes

[ancient mortar]

Ds1 has great level design. Until it shits the bed

[exotic dome]

ds1 glazers are nostalgia blinded

[ancient mortar]

Dark souls 3 is fairly well rounded but it's bosses are the real highlight.

Level design needs work

[opaque sigil]

ds3 areas really suck

[exotic dome]

it has the best lore and map design though

[wind mulch]

whoevers idea it was to put fetch quests in silksong must have been on some kind of substance

[heady iron]

vegemite

[earnest drift]

I like the buildup to grand mother silk and her recurring symbol throughout Pharloom

[verbal trench]

the only fetch quests i genuinely hated were the silver bell one and the one where you had to get organs using different types of tools

[exotic dome]

it was sad to see fetch quests ngl

[verbal trench]

the silver bell one is genuinely from hell it just straight up sucks

[wind mulch]

outside of the truly annoying ones they were still boring at best to me

[earnest drift]

did hollow knight have fetch quests

[wind mulch]

genuinely no need for fetch quests

[earnest drift]

I remember gathering essence for the seer

[wind mulch]

no there was no question system

[earnest drift]

and void heart

[lavish apex]

i think the fetch quests would have been a fine concept if not for the way that

1. half of them are unfun at best
2. most lack any kind of satisfying emotional payoff
3. a majority of them are compulsory to enter act 3

[verbal trench]

i thought the fetch quests were whatev i mostly enjoyed them

except for the ones from hell

[ancient mortar]

Elden ring has great dungeons but the open world isn't ideal, some bosses are real stinkers but there's some great ones too. Sote is great but the ending felt abrupt to me. Thinking of it now I had a similar feeling at the end to mio of loving the boss but not feeling satisfied by the ending

[wind mulch]

building essence by slaying dream bosses to awaken ur nail is definitely not the same as |collect silver bells 0/8 👹|

[exotic dome]

you had to fight dream warriors. they are mid too but not worse than "go get skewered meat"

[opaque sigil]

er has so much reused shit

[verbal trench]

i would give one of my lungs to have the silver bell quest completely wiped from existence

[lavish apex]

the closest thing to what silksong does with wishes is grey mourner, and i think that mogs every wish personally

[austere lotus]

I have a crackpot silksong theory but I'm only in act two and it's not really lore related

[tight viper]

What is the theory

[earnest drift]

what about getting essence for the seer

[light swan]

why do we keep comparing hk and silksong :(

[lavish apex]

i don't think that's the same

[earnest drift]

why not

[opaque sigil]

that's kind of a normal thing to do with sequels

[tight viper]

boss fights

[ancient mortar]

I mean they are sequels

[earnest drift]

and the stupid roots that make you chase the weird floating things

[tight viper]

Completely optional

[earnest drift]

and no one likes dream warriors

[wind mulch]

yea they were annoying tbh but who even did those

[austere lotus]

Team Cherry added the grey root quest with its pretty obvious abortion metaphor to counter any suggestions that the vessels or abyss from hollow knight were meant to be metaphors for aborted fetuses

[rocky jolt]

more interesting because its mostly upgraded dream bosses that give all essence needed

[verbal trench]

silksong my beloved i only point out its flaws because i love it so dearly, it's in my top 3 games of all time

[tight viper]

More than enough essence from bosses to get Ascension

[lavish apex]

because it's a game spanning objective

[exotic dome]

i havent played er but everyone says er has horrible bosses but also has great ones and it kinda reminds me of silksong

[slender juniper]

IM CRINE

😭

[heady iron]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[wind mulch]

there is no reality where fighting bosses like white defender and lost kin are in the same boat as collect skewered meat

[slender juniper]

Why you kinda right tho

[tight viper]

Also false

[exotic dome]

a war that will never end

[opaque sigil]

er has minibosses which are very mixed quality and major bosses which are mostly a lot better

[light swan]

feels like its 100% of conversation topics (when lace is here)

[tight viper]

Xero is fun, Markoth is fun, Galien is fun, Gorb is funny, Hu has cool lore, No Eyes has cool lore, Marmu is like racquetball which is funny

[lavish apex]

less so a series of smaller objectives that demand donation of resources or just going around collecting enemy drops or whatever the fuck silver bells has going on

[slender juniper]

I'm sorry fucking what

[opaque sigil]

because it's ragebait and you should just ignore them

[heady iron]

is there any game that has consistently good bosses

that's right, Just Shapes & Beats

[verbal trench]

grey root quest is metaphorical peak thank you team cherry for the abortion lower class no healthcare metaphor

[wind mulch]

silver bells drove me up the wall

[exotic dome]

does it have a better boss than sister friede and gael

[ancient mortar]

It has an issue of padding the game with the same bosses over and over. The dlc is largely rid of this issue though and it has incredible bosses that are the best in the franchise. Base game has a few great fights but many stinkers.

[slender juniper]

WHAT did you say about markoth

[tight viper]

Markoth is fun

[austere lotus]

Grey root is just

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[rocky jolt]

if you compare them to palestag yes

[wind mulch]

also the dream bosses were intuitive u went to the sites of slain bosses how tje fuck am i supposed to know where these bells are

[austere lotus]

Objectively abortion imagery

[slender juniper]

I-Im speeches

[verbal trench]

grey root quest is also funny as fuck i wish i found it naturally

[earnest drift]

all of these are wrong

[tight viper]

Palestag is B tier

[rocky jolt]

brother

[earnest drift]

hk glaze will be the death of me

[tight viper]

Nope

[slender juniper]

We know

Why do you think everyone calls it the abortion quest

[tight viper]

I'll don my cloak and grab my sickle, then

[lavish apex]

i don't object to anyone liking silksong more than hk i just hate that people act like there is no reason anybody would ever feel the opposite way

[earnest drift]

void heart is a deus ex machina and pulled out of nowhere

[exotic dome]

donation quests would be fine if some bosses had fucking rosary rewards

[heady iron]

I should write a post on silksong in r/menwritingwomen

[earnest drift]

nvjaopckkwopvlsbhitpekhihfjksngcujebjfialjfhheg

[rocky jolt]

styx is supposed to represent a divorced father of 3

[austere lotus]

Implanted with a child against your will that saps and restrains your abilities, only to travel far to seek out a treatment from a doctor that could cure it but is deeply taboo, finding a way to live with that reality

[verbal trench]

i disagree with like half of these but i think my opinion is also tainted from doing hitless shit years ago

[tight viper]

Doing it floorless and all that made me somehow appreciate it more

[wind mulch]

there are three mfs in silksong who just happen to have the anti gms spell bro

[tight viper]

I don't know why but I kinda like Palestag now

Funny deer haha

[austere lotus]

Being an abortion metaphor isn't really the big thing, it's the idea of it being to counter the whole vessel = abortion theory

[earnest drift]

this is more believable than uniting the entire void

[exotic dome]

and we don't even engage with them until 5 minutes before act 3 💔

[slender juniper]

Mangas(men)writing women:waaa waaah waaah I'm usseles and have to wait for the men to rescue me
TC(men) writing women:I will not stand a sentinel of a dying land no longer.I will always remain a daughter of hallownest

[rocky jolt]

i think i would fight two unravelleds before actually enjoying palestag

[exotic dome]

i'm gonna fight triple unravelleds

[tight viper]

I mean they've been around for a while, and they've been brewing a plan for a while

[heady iron]

they're the same sentence

[earnest drift]

silksong’s depiction of women has them as capable and acting as any person could, good or evil
that’s good

[rocky jolt]

Hell

[lavish apex]

i think the intention with voidheart is uniting the shades rather than the entire void, because those are kinda 2 different concepts

[rocky jolt]

i fucking hate the tomb of silk

[slender juniper]

What

[wind mulch]

uniting the void is eluded to throughout the story and it makes perfect thematic sense as an allegory for finally accepting the grief that void obviously represents

[austere lotus]

Isn't the whole point of the voidheart that it represents acceptance

[opaque sigil]

it's pretty explicitly uniting the entire void

[wind mulch]

are you just ragebaiting

[opaque sigil]

what took you so long

[slender juniper]

I don't see what you'd accept tho?

[earnest drift]

why does accepting your past = becoming the god of the most volatile substance in the universe

[austere lotus]

mate there's a long ass delay on sending messages, you hadn't sent yours when I posted mine

[tight viper]

TK is made from that volatile substance

[earnest drift]

the knight accepts that they were discarded and their parents never intended for them to leave the abyss
so how did that become uniting the entirety of the void

I already know the answer
the transformation of kingsoul to void heart is them abandoning their pale heritage and fully embracing the void

[heady iron]

chekhov's gun

[earnest drift]

still why are they suddenly able to control all of it

[austere lotus]

The truth of your creation? That you were and are the child of wyrm and root, murdered in your bloody egg, designed solely for a purpose that by its very design meant becoming as less of a person as possible, for parents who discarded you forever once they thought they'd found a golden child

[slender juniper]

Why did they have to do that,kingsoul is a peak over charm charm

[earnest drift]

I like hollow knight’s lore

[slender juniper]

Not my problem

[earnest drift]

I like how silksong’s final boss is foreshadowed from very early in the game by hiding in plain view

[wind mulch]

because the tk embraces the void and is able to act as its rational agent through the merging of its will, born of its heritage

[earnest drift]

fucking kill cloth I hate her she’s useless

[tight viper]

Nailmasters don't get infected, why would Seamstress and Pinstress become infected

[light swan]

lace do you like hollow knight

[earnest drift]

yes

[austere lotus]

I love that the dies irae is woven so deeply into the soundtrack

[hardy tangle]

cus they dont have sly

and also pinstress immediately gives up in act 3

[verbal trench]

i love cloth she's a beautiful butch lesbian

[leaden delta]

I see I see! I also really like the interpretation of void being regret

[slender juniper]

Drinking game:take a shot every time you hear the motif

[lavish apex]

lost lace is a very good final boss and i don't really think she's worse than radiance in any way besides pure spectacle

[austere lotus]

I remember going to the title screen after getting frustrated with the gms fight my first attempt and immediately realizing the dies irae was also in the title theme and thus the entire fucking soundtrack

[leaden delta]

I really like thk also yea

[lavish apex]

i think just better in the gameplay department, although i am a radiance gameplay defender

[verbal trench]

lost lace was a great final boss but i Sincerely hope she's not the final boss again if a godhome esque expansion is made

[lavish apex]

i don't think they'll do that

[tight viper]

Hard to think of Act 3 stuff for this because there's no GMS/Void conflict to destroy Pharloom

[austere lotus]

I've yet to beat the radiance (or even get to its second stage lol) but it's such an excellent boss fight because it pulls mechanics you've seen the entire game out against you

[earnest drift]

I like act 3

[hardy tangle]

and pinstresses dont have a strong bond like the nailmasters do

[lavish apex]

act 3 is cool but i wish it was more substantive

[verbal trench]

i like act 3 but i wish they did more with the weavers in it

[hardy tangle]

and one of them dead as hell 😂

[urban sable]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hollow-knight-breakdance-gif-4991443249772973911

[hardy tangle]

rip bilestress

[leaden delta]

oh I just read like everything around me

[earnest drift]

I like the pinstresses and how they’re much more closely linked to the story than the nailmasters were

[leaden delta]

I will always prefer hk over ss icl

[lavish apex]

in terms of exclusive gameplay content

[earnest drift]

and their rewards are much better

[hardy tangle]

bilestress shoudlve been alive

[wind mulch]

me too i think

although ill admit i havent given silksong as much thought

[austere lotus]

How many new areas to explore are there? Do those locked doors in the citadel open up?

[lavish apex]

drifter's cloak is but frankly i have never cared about nail arts or needle strike

[earnest drift]

that would make the three of them nailmaster clones (even if they’re better)

[tight viper]

Seamstress and Pinstress seem to be fairly close, they both speak rather fondly of one another

And they call each other sisters

[earnest drift]

oro and mato are fat

[exotic dome]

oh my god bruh

[lavish apex]

there's verdania, a decent extra chunk of far fields, and... that's pretty much it

oh surface climb too

[wind mulch]

i hate the pinstress so much bro

[hardy tangle]

seamstress is literally sheo 🌹

[verbal trench]

i hope sea of sorrow is act 3 exclusive so it has a bit more to it

[wind mulch]

such a bad fight

[lavish apex]

everything else is either literally or practically 1 room

[vivid belfry]

alright I beat MIO

[earnest drift]

I like pinstress more than oro and mato

[ornate perch]

They should’ve made if you went to Pinstress with Wreath of Purity, she’d have special dialogue and teach you, i don’t know, float bounce or something?

[vivid belfry]

I'm assuming there are multiple endings considering my low achievement percentage

[leaden delta]

I hope sea of sorrow adds a good boss

[austere lotus]

There's gonna be at least 3 no

[lavish apex]

do you want to know if you are correct

[tight viper]

There's also the Desert Of The Sand King

[leaden delta]

can dat dlc just add a collector

[tight viper]

that opens up in Act 3

[austere lotus]

What act are you in?

[leaden delta]

please make a good boss that game needs it

[lavish apex]

brother what are u talking about

[earnest drift]

absolute radiance is a no eyes rematch

[verbal trench]

i hope sea of sorrow adds hornet to the game i would love for her to return

[vivid belfry]

I'm gonna explore more anyway because I never got my damn damage upgrade

[tight viper]

You know

[verbal trench]

i would love a hornet cameo