sk-discussion

[hearty wren]

I feel when your using architect you use it to maximize the damage of your tools that's what the crest is based on

[keen solstice]

You don't add any damage to your tools because pollip won't even tick

[teal ridge]

i think people has the idea of the tool they hate should be seen as the worst tool because their skills doesnt matches with the tool. you can say its the worst as your opinion but you cant say its confirmed or made to be bad. i think there is use for all tools in the game.

[nova fox]

tbh using volt filament is better than poilip but with architect i use polip

[still osprey]

No but pollip pouch is just like, actually bad

[strange knot]

Spider strings:

[keen solstice]

The only use for pollip is with throwing knifes and only throwing one every 5 seconds lol

[light swan]

exactly

[still osprey]

Like it's not a matter of opinion it deals like no damage

[keen solstice]

For architect you remove the garbage that is pollip for quicksling

[teal ridge]

shhhhhh

[keen solstice]

Quicksling is massive for architect while pollip literally has no effect

[hearty wren]

But its still very useful in architect and about the ticks that isn't the case

[still osprey]

Your base needle does only 1 less damage than a fully maxed out pollip pouch even assuming it doesn't get cancelled by something like another tool hitting or the enemy tping

[nova fox]

who the hell told me polip was good

[strange knot]

-# not objective tier list btw

[hearty wren]

Curve claw and dice at D huh

[nova fox]

(hot take)

[keen solstice]

That is quite literally the case lol
It's not good for architect, infact architect might be the worst crest to use it on aside from shaman

[teal ridge]

i think spider strings are for people that searches lore in the characters. so it might not add something to your gameplay but it still has an use

[nova fox]

cogfly should NOT be at D

[frozen meadow]

niceeeee

never saw this

[keen solstice]

Architect encourages tool spam
Pollip anti synergizes with tool spam

[nova fox]

there was one beside it?

[strange knot]

The most useless bench ever

[hearty wren]

But if you can't use volt filament isn't pollip pouch the exact replacement?

[strange knot]

Boring tool

[keen solstice]

The replacement would be quicksling

[light swan]

the obliviousness is crazy

[still osprey]

It would be if it actually did anything

[strange knot]

Rng sucks + curve sickle is too broken and shouldn’t exist

[still osprey]

But it doesn't

[light swan]

dont forget that architect still does great with things that buff craft bind

and warding bell is amazing for parrying on architect

[nova fox]

wreath of purity at C is wild unless this is talking about outside of muck maggot lands

[strange knot]

Oh I accidentally put curve claw there too mb mb

[light swan]

i just tried to use sawtooth circlet in a different game

[nova fox]

which one

[still osprey]

I should make a tool tier list I'm just not sure if I have enough experience with enough tools to do it

[light swan]

mio

[strange knot]

C is low af tho

[hearty wren]

Wreath of purity is ass

[frozen meadow]

only at the bellwaay

[strange knot]

Wreath in mostly useless

[still osprey]

Wreath is useless just don't fall in the water

[teal ridge]

most helpful tool to me in the game was the skarr mask. i mostly used it at my first gameplay

[nova fox]

wreatch of purity SAVED me against groal the great

[hearty wren]

Fck wraith shi tool

[still osprey]

Injector Band is also useless just don't take damage

[strange knot]

Imagine fighting groal smh smh

[hearty wren]

Fractured mask is just op

[nova fox]

being homeless is bad just buy a home

like what

[frozen meadow]

why does this seem inverted

[proven sky]

Pollip Pouch synergizes with poke, not burst. For instance using 1 cog fly is good with the Pollip Pouch, as one Cogfly hit = 2 ticks of poison. Every tick of tool damage, no matter how big, applies only 2 ticks of poison, and it does not stack. So it's not really a 1:1 Volt Filament equivalent

[frozen meadow]

bruh

[teal ridge]

i think its good with the fights that needs you to act quick.

[strange knot]

Anything that has circlet on top isn’t inverted

[light swan]

its fine on crests that use bind offensively

[frozen meadow]

well apart from that

[hearty wren]

SORRY OK ??

[frozen meadow]

the rest is inverted

[nova fox]

i beat groal the great in 1 minute with circlet

[still osprey]

I just found an ancient relic looking for a tool tier list holy shit

[hearty wren]

I AM DUMB I GET THAT

[frozen meadow]

since when is cogfly the worst

[nova fox]

its not that good but its not bad

[hearty wren]

What's the tool that exclusive to steel soul ?

[light swan]

why areyou suddenly so, uh, emotional?

[frozen meadow]

and tacks?

[strange knot]

I dislike cog fly

[frozen meadow]

shell satchel

[strange knot]

And tacks

[hearty wren]

So is it like a good or bad tool?

[frozen meadow]

these carried my steel soul ngl

[light swan]

definitively defending pollip pouch, realizes youre wrong, starts screaming like youre the victim

shits not that deep

[frozen meadow]

it expands ur tool pouch, not really by much but depends on u

[hearty wren]

BRO CAPS DOESN'T MEAN I AM SCREAMING I JUST REALIZED THAT'S THE THING

[strange knot]

Shell satchel is the best yellow tool, aside from silkspeed anklets of course

[light swan]

yea but you';re saying "SOORRY I AM DUMB" like we insulted you and pushed you into a corner or smth

[hearty wren]

Well definitely be good to put on wanderer crest

[hearty wren]

Let me clarify
By me calling I am dumb is the thing I was saying out of fun that
"OH I REALISE HOW DUMB AND ILLOGICAL I WAS"
I ain't saying it's y'all's fault
I didn't felt insulted it was just out of joy saying that
I get it feels that I am being cocky but no I am not seriously
I hope you understand

[still osprey]

ok I made a very very quick tool tier list

[light swan]

ok that makes more sense lol

[rose flax]

yo can we have a christopher larkin worship cult

[hearty wren]

YEAHH

[orchid locust]

wait let me close my eyes and make a random tool tier list

[rose flax]

with the anthem being widow

[still osprey]

I probably overrated druid's eyes tbh maybe they should be D too

[hearty wren]

Imagine gms had the widow theme

[light swan]

uhhh i think this is pretty based

[rose flax]

scuttlebrace is a high B

[light swan]

except for poshanka rings

[rose flax]

did someone just..

[hearty wren]

Scuttle brace needs other tier

[rose flax]

i almost acidentally clicked it before it got deleted cuz i was tryna type 😭

[minor plank]

SOS

[rose flax]

anyways scuttlebrace is a high B if used right imo

[hearty wren]

Druid's eye is just a tool that was very much used a lot but now it's a mid D

[minor plank]

Please team cherry

[hearty wren]

Scuttle brace is niche

[exotic cedar]

Do you need help? 😨

[rose flax]

i love scuttlebrace

because im a professional weaver glazer

[hearty wren]

Bro you ok

[rose flax]

and its good for watcher at the edge, and mossmother duo

[still osprey]

idk if weavelight in S is a hot take but, man I fucking love weavelight

[weary sorrel]

Yo illusion

[minor plank]

I NEED SEA OF SORROW

[light swan]

hi

[rose flax]

what does weavelight even do other than regenerating ur 3 silk hearts faster 😭

[still osprey]

like usually I don't run it but for a tool you can get decently early into the game it's really really good

[weary sorrel]

Yo

[still osprey]

acts as an extra silk heart

[weary sorrel]

Can you buy me a Big Joe LXE40 Lithium Forklift 4,000 lbs Cap, 189 H Lift, External Single-Phase Charger 120/240VAC

[light swan]

no

[weary sorrel]

I’ll give you a gold star if you do :3

[steep jolt]

we are NOT falling for this 3 pin propaganda

[hearty wren]

Weavelight is mid

[orchid locust]

@light swan thoughts on the blind tier list ⁉️

[steep jolt]

can you buy me 1096 gigs of ram

[light swan]

not bad, very charming and interesting

[weary sorrel]

You clone

[still osprey]

weavelight just makes clawline feel so much better than it already does and that's big

[rose flax]

scuttlebrace C is fair

[steep jolt]

you similar

[weary sorrel]

how about YOU buy me a Big Joe LXE40 Lithium Forklift 4,000 lbs Cap, 189 H Lift, External Single-Phase Charger 120/240VAC

[still osprey]

the problem is that it does unfortunately get outclassed by other blue tools later on

[steep jolt]

i have 4 robux

[weary sorrel]

it also comes with a v16 engine

[still osprey]

but like, if I don't have Weavelight in Mount Fay I am killing someone

[hearty wren]

Just get dj bro

[weary sorrel]

that’ll do and I’m throwin in a couple of orbital strike cannons of my own

[steep jolt]

you are apparently meant to have 2 silk hearts there

[weary sorrel]

yœ

[steep jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184346385202557049/1231838749210443846/attachment-2.gif

[hearty wren]

One is enough

[weary sorrel]

tœnails

[still osprey]

good thing weavelight acts as an extra silk heart too !

[willow turtle]

Fighting seth today

[still osprey]

genuinely underrated tool I will die on this hill

[weary sorrel]

no gng don’t come to terms with him

[steep jolt]

ts just rated 💔

[weary sorrel]

Going to a fist fight with someone named Seth is never a good idea

[steep jolt]

has perfect amount of glaze

[willow turtle]

But i have to get to nyleth

[still osprey]

I do not see people glaze it enough

it just feels good to use

[steep jolt]

you arent as chronically online as me

[weary sorrel]

No my student.. do not fight over women or fame only fight for protection

[steep jolt]

im sort of a famous person round these parts

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[weary sorrel]

Whatsapp ahh

[rose flax]

drowned trobbio

[steep jolt]

ok tf am i doing talking about ts in a silksong channel on discord 💔

if i get 1000 reactions ill get a job application

[leaden delta]

honestly I struggle to remember anything abt weavelight

[weary sorrel]

you’re talking about that ts in silksong channel on discord

[leaden delta]

iirc it was kinda overrated?

it’s a fine amulet

[steep jolt]

they have to be by 1000 different people btw

[weary sorrel]

Ah you scammer

That’s it all my orbital strike cannons are pointed at your villager trading hall gng

[steep jolt]

bot that creates new discord accounts and reacts

[orchid locust]

we get it gng you watched cubicmetre 🥀 🥀

[steep jolt]

phew thank god you didnt overreact

[weary sorrel]

yes I want you to get it even more

[steep jolt]

bro wants us to take it 😭

[weary sorrel]

if I had to spend like 3 hours getting these cannons to work I WILL and I WILL flex using it

(Do not open with head phones) very calming and soothing volcanic noises for sleep

[steep jolt]

bro cant even spare a penny for his thoughts

[weary sorrel]

Rookie numbers

[rose flax]

holy fuck he cant even afford to cry

bro gotta look at that shit with 0 emotion

[weary sorrel]

I mean -99 trillion in debt isn’t that bad

try my 99 googolplexiniathlarisian instead

[steep jolt]

bro cant even borrow an idea

[weary sorrel]

I made that number up for dramatic effect

[rose forge]

im burning help

[weary sorrel]

Bet hold on

[steep jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061026554634850375/1292298921447522405/carrot-forward.gif

[rocky jolt]

or you can post it right now

[weary sorrel]

There

[rose flax]

bro cant even afford the homeless person starter pack

[rose forge]

thanks

[weary sorrel]

HEY

YOU SCAMMER ITS NOT THE 19TH

[steep jolt]

ts genuinely what i see when i open my favorite gifs

https://tenor.com/view/cute-baby-amazed-wow-woah-gif-16085375

[weary sorrel]

I THINK bro has some unaddressed problems

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399721528962322495/1435409033648410654/attachment.gif

Pear moment

This either will work amazingly or fail horribly either way I’m here for it here goes nothing

[weary sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/coolio-coolio-him-this-man-coolio-him-gif-7490876623225147521

I better see 776 cool emojis by the time I wake up

Or I’m using the orbital strike cannons

aight ima head off to sleep cya chat

no one to tell me good nite 😔

aight im off

[rose flax]

does pollip pouch increase tool damage or only cause the DoT?

[nova fox]

cause the DoT

[rose flax]

whats with the glaze if it only causes a brief 3 dmg DoT?

it never really lasts long when i use it

[brave geyser]

Stage one: denail

[still osprey]

people don't understand numbers

it's literally the definition of placebo

[brave geyser]

Holy shit i genuinely just misspelled denial

[rocky jolt]

Numbers go like this: 1 2 3

[rose flax]

i had a suspicion when i got a damage indicator mod

[lilac lake]

Hey

[brave geyser]

I tried to explain it to some people on a streamer's stream yesterday and i kid you not they just refused to believe it

[still osprey]

😭

[still osprey]

I really, really wish pollip pouch was good

[brave geyser]

Either that or they hit me with the "well it's not alot of damage but it adds up overtime!" Bro. It's 6 damage at max. 2 AT MINIMUM

[still osprey]

but it just, is not

[brave geyser]

Oh hey that's egypt

[still osprey]

base needle deals 1 less damage than max pollip pouch like 😭

do you understand how depressing that is

[lilac lake]

I'm hosting a family feud with my friends and I need answers pls respond this form https://forms.gle/VYdtR7xPhwuzhxgp8

[brave geyser]

Genuienly the only use case of pollup i can think of is using it with shit like straight pin and immediately switching to needle damage

but if you can do that i seriously recommend other tools

[rose flax]

i can finally stop using pollip pouch 🥹

[rocky jolt]

i really wanna play ror2 but my computer is kinda doodoo

[still osprey]

or making your tools purple for the cosmetic

[rose flax]

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[brave geyser]

We need to spread the word

[still osprey]

like if I had no other choice I would absolutely run pollip pouch just to have purple tools I love purple

[rose flax]

what about volt filament though?

is it also a mass placebo?

[still osprey]

volt filament is great

nah it's actually just good

[rose flax]

so it actually increases spell damage

[still osprey]

+25% damage to all silk skills + some bonus ticks

[rose flax]

thank goodness

[rocky jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105009859822362714/1274601854856073239/spider.gif

[bitter briar]

Why are you G R E E N

[still osprey]

they greened me

[brave geyser]

Fuck you

[rose flax]

i feel so much hate that i cannot even come up with a way to express it

i do not know what i would wish upon you

[rocky jolt]

https://giphy.com/gifs/am-i-have-no-mouth-and-must-scream-mJ5W9le831TdQwCQBS

[rose flax]

it even exceeds the level of AM's hate

[twilit lichen]

Got rid of the claw maidens

[latent terrace]

Is it true that you cannot return to act 1 area after you go inside the grand gate?

[still osprey]

no

[latent terrace]

Then how do you will return back?

[brave geyser]

Walk back inside

oh do you mean underworks

[latent terrace]

I mean returning back to act 1 area after you go inside to the citadel

[timid valve]

Sister... Spider...

[still osprey]

• walk back out of the grand gate
• find a bellway
• any other way to return to an act 1 area from an act 2 area, like falling into one

[latent terrace]

Will finding the bellway be hard?

[still osprey]

It won't if you explore

not like the game just won't give you a map

[latent terrace]

Are the enemies in the citadel's hard?

[still osprey]

well, yea, the game does get progressively harder, but you also unlock more stuff to help you deal with them

[lavish apex]

play the game

[rose flax]

i am perfectly content with skipping shakra in act 2

mf has stricter attack windows than NKG

[still osprey]

well you won't be able to fight her in act 3 so,

[rose flax]

exactly

[latent terrace]

Guess I'll explore the game myself, thanks for the tips then

[crisp pier]

Peak ragebait to not name it bellheart

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/ldliXJrhLrl.gif

[gloomy notch]

i think im almost done silksong

[rose flax]

i love silkshot

[rocky jolt]

thats really specific

[rose flax]

fuck groal, i got my silk blicky

[timid valve]

Search for "||citadel surroundings||"
Though it plays just the 1st time in that place, not always

I like that OST too
-# if that's what you meant when asking

[rocky jolt]

sit next to a guy who:
really likes to talk about reaper crest
or
1000 savage beastflies

[graceful cairn]

but reaper crest is awesome

[rocky jolt]

so you wanna sit next to the guy who really likes to talk about reaper crest

[nova fox]

1000 beastflies

[graceful cairn]

yes!!!

[rocky jolt]

thats great dude

[normal bramble]

God groal is SUCH a good boss

[normal bramble]

Bile haven might actually be like a top 3 bench

Just because how good it feels to get it

Even on a second run through

[crude geyser]

Unravelled is low-key top 5 hardest boss in the game im ngl

And GMS bottom 5

[manic knoll]

Lowk

The game

[ocean quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-hollow-knight-flea-gif-5740879968467871304

[sage glade]

blue

bottle o blue

why is there slowmode, no one plays this game anymore

[tidal hearth]

I choose the red pill sir.

[mental snow]

I missed the Silkspear on the fly with the Mossberry so I just caved and pogo-chained it

Catastrophic failure

[chilly mountain]

Hallo

[still osprey]

They ungreened me

[chilly mountain]

Green ?

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[exotic cedar]

Good.

[normal bramble]

Yk I’ve never found this fight hard

[raw pawn]

Doesn't snitch pick technically increase the amount of shards you get from enemies?

[still osprey]

Yea

[raw pawn]

It's hard when you can't one shot the flying mfs

[normal bramble]

I only got the two easy weapon upgrades

And this quest isss act 2

[graceful oyster]

I'm Golden Freddy, I like to scare
And when I scare I become a nightmare
You're in the office, prolly gonna die
And you will die because you won't survive
I'm Golden Freddy, I'm a robot
But if you die you become a robot
So live through the night, cuz I am really scary
I'm also friends with the murderous Barry

[normal bramble]

So this is around the point you would have em

[tired hull]

Why couldn’t styx ans skynx trade with each other /j

[raw pawn]

Yeah that's enough to one shot them with sharpdart

[proven sky]

I used Pimpillo bombs against second Beastfly

The bombs oneshot the summons, so you pretty much have a 1v1

[slender juniper]

Elitist

[normal bramble]

This is basically how my first ever fight with him also went…

[tired hull]

i have a point guys, skynx could’ve gotten infinite silkeaters

[normal bramble]

He just doesn’t have the hp to deal with purple cogflies

[hardy tangle]

mfs will call you elitist for anything

[vital comet]

do we have any news of sea of sorrow?

[worldly umbra]

no but there will be tomorrow

[tidal hearth]

You are elitist because you use a crest. Get used to it.

[vital comet]

LETS GO

[still osprey]

Yea it's coming out tomorrow

[worldly umbra]

what would yall change about this map

[vital comet]

FULLY??

[worldly umbra]

oh

[faint wave]

why did I js get a bunch of rosaries and shards from craw bell

[proven sky]

It accumulates shards and rosaries over time as you play the game

[normal bramble]

Oh there’s a shortcut from greymoor to Styx?

Never knew

[worldly umbra]

yeah its kinda weird

[faint wave]

what how do I do it?

[worldly umbra]

you go up from the big room, breakable wall

[normal bramble]

It’s upwards from the huge bell on the right side of greymoor

[worldly umbra]

the 1st room i mean

[faint wave]

wait which big room

[hardy tangle]

js look it up

[exotic cedar]

id add every layer of hell

[gentle whale]

yo this looks sick, is it a custom map you making or what is it

[worldly umbra]

seth game

[normal bramble]

Oh I can add that for you

[proven sky]

I like a cheeky sequence break in a game, as far as I can see from the map it's somewhat linear. Unless you can enter the Stronghold from two completely different sides somewhat realistically

[worldly umbra]

white floral valley dosent lead to stronghold unfortunatally its just not something i wouldve wanted cuz the lore of this game

[proven sky]

Very well

[worldly umbra]

want a quick rundown why it dosent lead to there

spoilers included

[proven sky]

Sure

[ornate perch]

Add the abyss /j

Stupid typos

But fr your map looks good

[mental snow]

So I learned something completely bullshit.

[worldly umbra]

so overlords (the final boss) wanted to create thighket (kingdom name) into this big industrial kingdom with slaves and stuff but the citizens didnt like that so they sealed them off after a brutal war using mantle pieces to store their power and make them dissapear in the overhang. the three mantle pieces are in coral forest, stronghold, and the valley, and the valley has this pale creature (pale but not pale being but still powerful) and they couldn't contain like the overlords, so they put it in floral valley and sealed it off from the stronghold but accidentally left and opening in tangled treetops (they didnt know it existed) and stalagmite city (it was overun by dangerous creatures)

[ornate perch]

White floral valley would be bigger imo

[mental snow]

If you hit a projectile, gives you I-frames, right? That's cool. What's NOT COOL, is that it completely negates the lingering hitbox of the needle, meaning if you use Hunter's pogo, and hit a projectile, ANYTHING you would have dealt damage to takes NOTHING because you hit that projectile right before hitting them.

[worldly umbra]

@proven sky

heres the doc if you really want it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PVDnpEit-CK5QHdydI2uXfbNrb7yk-bJ-lqGcZ1CGLw/edit?usp=sharing

steelshatter is the game name btw

[proven sky]

Having an intended progression marked on that map would also help interpreting it

[worldly umbra]

if you speedrunning this is it

but there are lots of optional areas so

[proven sky]

Mhm mhm, this is the shortest glitchless path yea

[worn reef]

why arent the couriers giving me the courier wish in belhart

i rescued both

[faint wave]

Accept great tastes of pharloom

[worn reef]

where

[worldly umbra]

@exotic cedar and @ornate perch here

[broken seal]

have you started great tastes of pharloom

[worldly umbra]

what else do yall want

[worn reef]

no idk where it is

cant recall

[broken seal]

the spot where you deliver it

ah

[worn reef]

ahhhhhh thanks

the ghost guy?

[broken seal]

Dining spot in the middle of choral chambers

[worn reef]

ty

[mental snow]

I like Hunter's Crest

[worn reef]

ty

[worldly umbra]

i remember doing this for a sequence break learning thing it was so annoying to learn lol

[faint wave]

if I die to first sinner while overdosed, will it be takes away?

[worn reef]

i am on my second playthrough and forgot stuff so I can get twisted ending

[mental snow]

A sequence break, you say?

[desert elk]

Im surprised my keyboard and mouse survived the father of the flame

[worn reef]

oh god

that guy

[desert elk]

the amount of clicking I had to do for that fight

[faint wave]

bro I js got rid of the circles then spammed volt vessel

[desert elk]

if I had the energy like that to write essays I'd actually be good at my classes

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-joia-gif-27503164

[mental snow]

I was asking like what exactly you were trying to sequence break, if you remember

[desert elk]

I havent even unlocked the downwards pogoing so I had to do the side ones

literally finished him off with one health left

[worn reef]

wish I could draw lines on silksong map lol

[worldly umbra]

the shellwood cling grip one was a big one i was trying to get and then i also did insignificant ones like this for fun

[mental snow]

Gotcha, lol

Nothing ever changes with HK players, always skipping shit with convoluted methods

[worldly umbra]

i tried getting better at pogoing for speedrunning so i strated pogoing in random places prob no one else has before

like that one deep docks mask shard that you need wall grip for lmao

[mental snow]

I mean, that skip is kinda easy lol
Lure the small guy over (for like 5 hours because he's so slow), and the positioning is easier than it looks

[willow turtle]

HELL YEAH CRAWFATHER FIRST TRY

[mental snow]

Ayyyy congrats my dude!

[worldly umbra]

hes easy but cool !

i like the idea of a crow society cuz we know they are intelligent lol

[willow turtle]

Agreed i just facetanked enough to get some heals while using silk skills sometimes

Unless he did that one double damage attack

I tried to avoid that

[normal bramble]

Icl the hardest part of the fight are the regular crow enemies

They’re so annoying

The actual boss himself is like nada

[willow turtle]

I agree i hate those enemies so much but the amount of rosaries they give are pretty good

[rough anvil]

Hi guys

[willow turtle]

Pale nails helped me with those craws

[normal bramble]

I mean ya but they’re so annoying I never once thought to farm them

[willow turtle]

I dont farm them either

[willow turtle]

But whenever i do have to kill them i like how many rosaries they give

[nova fox]

since no one is helping in #sk-help can i get locked out of 100% if i miss something in act 2 after going to act 3

[worldly umbra]

no cuz you basically have to do everything in act 2 before going to act 3

[willow turtle]

I dont think you can

[nova fox]

oh ok thanks

[normal bramble]

Nope

[rough anvil]

Grindle gets the tools you didnt get in act 2

[normal bramble]

Though there are a few missable extra things

[willow turtle]

I didnt do shakra’s fight at all in act 2

[arctic haven]

hello

[rough anvil]

Not needed for 100%

[arctic haven]

does anybody know why fireborn stopped streaming speedrus

[willow turtle]

I dont think tjey give percentage

[normal bramble]

Like the Shakra 1v1 or garmond and zaza 1v1 (though that also disappears once they move in songclave)

[normal bramble]

Nah most % is just items

[rough anvil]

Zaza

[normal bramble]

And those typically are where a vendor dies or picked up grindle (and made more expensive)

[worldly umbra]

thats optional

you still get hunters mark if you dont do it

[normal bramble]

I mean ya but like

Not getting the 1v1 is lameee

[willow turtle]

But unfortunately you will have to do savage beastfly 2 quest for 100% (I think? Its for a quest so i assume it adds a percentage point)

[worldly umbra]

agreed

[normal bramble]

It gives a mask shard

But cogflies + sawtooth kinda shred the fight

[worldly umbra]

an excuse to shamelessy plug a vid

[normal bramble]

True!

[ornate perch]

W abyss

[desert horizon]

Wait are you able to get to bilewater from putrified ducts if you haven't been to bilewater before

[normal bramble]

No

Its a one way breakable wall

Until you get there from bilewater

[worldly umbra]

my epic drawings of seth game (1st one is bench in city of stalagmites, 2nd pic is in shilin canyon entrance, and 3rd one is white floral valley map girl dialouge)

[desert horizon]

Alr thanks

[willow turtle]

I did the fight in act 3 with rune rage + delver’s drill and my fully upgraded needle and it still was painful to kill it

[normal bramble]

See there’s the problem

[raw pawn]

Tbh I think great conchflies/raging conchfly is more simliar to mantis lords than cogwork dancers

[daring basin]

epik drawings yes

[normal bramble]

You’re using rune rage!

(Joking)

[fleet zinc]

In terms of difficulty I honestly agree

Dancers is just similar because there’s two and they move in straight lines

[lost crescent]

NOOOOO I DIED TO A MOSSGRUBBB

WHATTT ISSS THHIIIIISSSS

[proven sky]

Seth is genuinely a great contender for a new game. Although I think his amnesia could be used to build a great story. As we know Seth at the end of Silksong is pretty much amnesiac; While he's aware of his heightened physical capabilities, he doesn't exactly see himself as a warrior, he even doesn't carry his shield with him anymore. He's trying to figure out himself, while adoring the world around.

So outside of just escaping the new land, he could also define himself through the new land, or somehow remember his past prime through the events of the game

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-suii-laser-eyes-crying-gif-24138864

[worldly umbra]

i forgot that he dosent have his shield oh

well who cares anyway i can just say he brought it to himself telepathically

[proven sky]

That could also use an explanation. Perhaps finding a shield during the tutorial; and then somewhat remembering he used to use a shield?

A flash of past brilliance

[weary gorge]

Hey guys did we ever get a proper boss rush mod with controller bindings to actually choose fights

[thin charm]

team cherry would never lock you out of 100%

[mental snow]

How much does the max Hunter's Crest evolution boost needle damage by, again?

[north hedge]

I gen believed that lugoli was a woman

[raw pawn]

1.5x

[mental snow]

I thought it was around a 60% boost?

[raw pawn]

Nah I am pretty sure the first one is 1.25x and the second is 1.5x

[still osprey]

First one is x1.3 and second is x1.5

[raw pawn]

Oh first is 1.3x not 1.25x

[mental snow]

....huh. Coulda sworn it was 1.6x. Then again, literally every multiplier (bar Flintslate & Volt Filament), I'd forgotten the exact multiplier.

[north hedge]

Which Silk song boss or just hollow knight boss in general, smells the worst

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/kids-gif-25104149

[earnest drift]

broodmother groal the great chef lugoli unravelled

flukemarm dung defender

[north hedge]

I was about to say Dung defender might be rancid

[earnest drift]

and the hollow knight

[rocky jolt]

i guess

[earnest drift]

they've been in the same place for centuries, no showers, infested arm stump
pee yewwwww

[rocky jolt]

though somewhere in the game it is said the infection goo is actually tasty

[north hedge]

so the infection is like a durian

all the corpes in Nosk's arena might've stinken it up

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk has been locked up for even longer than the hollow knight but she smells like a new car

she probably had a sanitisation station in the silk ball

[north hedge]

nah the reeds would spray fabreeze in the cradle

[rocky jolt]

"A thick orange mist fills these walking corpses. It has a sweet, sickly taste to it."

[north hedge]

not a boss but an npc, i bet the guy that eats the meal you make smells rancid

[earnest drift]

dang

so the hollow knight would smell like overripe fruit

[rocky jolt]

another point to the lifeblood and infection are related theory (which is basically confirmed)

[earnest drift]

lifeseeds and lightseeds

probably not related but of similar nature

i hate radiance, grand mother silk is better

[rocky jolt]

yup

whatever causes lifeblood to spread is probably Blue radiance

[tranquil inlet]

guys, i have a question

[earnest drift]

this looks better than radiance

[tranquil inlet]

is there a way I can kill the (Scarling) in Act 3 of Silksong so I can get the Hunter's Journal achievement?

[graceful cairn]

I LOVE ABYSS CREATURE

[earnest drift]

please let them become a major antagonist please please

[graceful cairn]

ikr...

[earnest drift]

as long as they're an actual character and not a radiance clone

[green owl]

GET THAT AWAY FROM ME

[wind mulch]

radiance slander WILL NOT be tolerated

[trim estuary]

abyss creature will either never be acknowledged again or the lamest HK boss oat

[earnest drift]

lmao i love the quote for the higher beings page on the wiki

[earnest drift]

she's MID

[wind mulch]

dont SAY that

[trim estuary]

she really does just aura farm 24/7

[earnest drift]

all she does is throw tantrums and cry and kill everyone

[wind mulch]

yea and shes COOL

[earnest drift]

she's a natural disaster

[coarse berry]

but she's a cool natural disaster

[earnest drift]

how did she make a group of beings more intelligent than herself lol

[wind mulch]

wayyyyy better than grandmother mid

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk acts like a person and has depth beyond destroying everything

[coarse berry]

true

[trim estuary]

it’s like elon musk and his daughter

[exotic cedar]

Gms is more interesting (i know nothing about gms)

[coarse berry]

lace defending gms

[exotic cedar]

Radianted kinda boring though

[wind mulch]

i really like the idiot god character type tbf

[earnest drift]

but she's so uninteresting

[coarse berry]

her enterance is cold af tho

[earnest drift]

all she does is be angry and be remembered

[wind mulch]

she for sure has more aura than gms

interest is up to personal preference i suppose

[trim estuary]

there’s not really much to know beyond that she uplifted the weavers and uhh they don’t like her

[wind mulch]

but her intro is the tuffest shit ever

[coarse berry]

and she still gets a full screen title card

[exotic cedar]

And she created lays and fanom and yeah thats it

[reef scarab]

Can silksong un-come out and remove my memories of playing along with it

[coarse berry]

nope

[reef scarab]

I wanna wake up on release day all over again

[earnest drift]

this is more than radiance

[coarse berry]

the good ending

[wind mulch]

gms is very pretty but im not sure if i like her design in ss

she looks so out of place to me

[earnest drift]

radiance just seems stupid she has her motives but all her actions are indiscriminate
like she doesn't think

[wind mulch]

which i guess is the point but i dont know if i fw it

[earnest drift]

she's angry at the pale king but she infects deepnest which didn't ally with him

[hardy tangle]

how they'd fare against the infection

[reef scarab]

I like vividly remember waking up on the release date and the very first thought that popped into my head when I opened my eyes was “silksong’s out”

Leaped out of bed and got it downloading on my switch, quickly devoured breakfast while it downloaded and ran back up to hop on silksong

[earnest drift]

she wants to be remembered but she killed the tribe who remembered her for the longest

[wind mulch]

isnt it kind of cool though i like the idea of a true god being completely outside the realm of regular consciousness, it is more a sentient disaster than just a rational bug with superpowers

[earnest drift]

yeah i saw some of that in SCP
radiance reminds me of a lot of poorly written deities in that

she's definitely better written than SCP shit but still not interesting

[wind mulch]

i dont think its poorly its like the deer scp

[hardy tangle]

correction id put forebrothers in the same tier as ballow and daughter

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/james-wilson-house-md-gregory-house-sparkle-on-and-be-yourself-wednesday-gif-10694982973253766125

[wind mulch]

the entire point is that u genuinely just cannot wrap ur head around what its thinking

[quartz cave]

hello gays

[wind mulch]

its a true 'higher' being

[earnest drift]

radiance is a sentient disaster but the "sentient" part is very dull

[fiery burrow]

I think it works here

[quartz cave]

are yall talking about silksong SCPS

[fiery burrow]

But I don't like her abdomen tbh it looks wonky

[earnest drift]

it's more like she thinks so irrationally i don't understand her
her behaviour is like that of a 2 year old

[quartz cave]

what is this chat even ABOUT

hi star

[graceful cairn]

so based

[fiery burrow]

ismoil

[wind mulch]

yea i wouldnt say it looks bad cos its obviously supposed to look very alien but i dont know it kind of looks cut from a different game to me

[trim estuary]

ISMOIL!!

[earnest drift]

they tried to do something about radiance being manipulative and tempting people with dreams to become infected but... it's so out of reality from real life manipulation that it doesn't work

[wind mulch]

its likely just personal preference

[digital cosmos]

can someone help me a bit on a boss

im in vc

[earnest drift]

radiance works for what she is but i cannot see things from her point of view, i cannot sympathise with her and she doesn't even seem like a person

[inland sparrow]

:p

[earnest drift]

she's just a monster

[fleet zinc]

Uhhh cause she’s not

[hardy tangle]

yeah shes a moth

[trim estuary]

same with pale king tbh

[earnest drift]

pale king had meaningful connections with other people, tried to be a good person, and can feel regret and guilt

[hardy tangle]

its normal to not sympathise with a villain

[fiery burrow]

Yeah I agree there tbh but I'm not entirely sure if that's because of the humanoid elements

Nyleth looks weird to me too for some reason

[wind mulch]

yea she is an idiot god, when i say outside of the realm of our understanding i dont mean some hyper-intelligent Machiavellian genius i mean truly other, its actions seem completely antithetical to conventional rationality because it exists outside of such concepts

[fleet zinc]

I think it’s heavily implied that even higher beings just act upon their nature, and for the Radiance that is to take over shit

[earnest drift]

not all villains have to be sympathetic but those that are have much more depth to them

[trim estuary]

no he can’t

[fiery burrow]

I think part of it is the animation of the hair (even if the hair itself is a really cool design element)

[hardy tangle]

ragebaiter vs ragebaiter

[earnest drift]

ok whatever i'm not going to defend pale king because i don't like him much either

[exotic cedar]

I wish gms did like, attacks with her hair

Would be cool af

[quartz cave]

zip in uppercase letters

[trim estuary]

sending jack vine back to the mines huh

[fleet zinc]

Yeah he can but not important

[quartz cave]

who the HELL is jack vine

[fleet zinc]

The code guy

[hardy tangle]

hi im jack vine king of the jungles

[earnest drift]

is it wrong to compare tv show characters with video game characters

[fleet zinc]

No

[trim estuary]

yeah

[fleet zinc]

Buh

[wind mulch]

not inherently

[trim estuary]

video game characters could never have the depth of tv show characters

[quartz cave]

dude i so need to know how to get backwards letter C made with vines

[earnest drift]

the moths weren't the radiance's children
they were her caretakers

[fleet zinc]

Why are we arguing this guy literally has ragebaiter in their name loll

[quartz cave]

zip would NEVER ragebait

[earnest drift]

radiance needed intelligent bugs to take care of her and calm her down when she got grumpy and threw a tantrum

[quartz cave]

ive know them since 1982 and i can attest they would never do that

[earnest drift]

the moths abandoning radiance was child abuse

[fiery burrow]

Attacks with hair? Got a great game for you

[earnest drift]

she looks like V1

[wind mulch]

the radiance is more a force of nature than anything which is why i think its the best representation of a deity in hk

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-everyone-wheel-i-hate-you-gif-7282616540403564084

[fleet zinc]

POV most gods in any mythology

[wind mulch]

it isnt some personable smart dude like the pale king

[exotic cedar]

Also it can't even run on my laptop

[fiery burrow]

RIP 😔

[earnest drift]

i guess it'd be worse if every god was a force of nature

the radiance being the only dumb one is fine

[wind mulch]

or manipulative abusive parent like gms

[earnest drift]

i prefer gods that act like people

[trim estuary]

thank you for your vote of confidence 🙏

[wind mulch]

radiance just is what she is and i really like that

[trim estuary]

radiance this, gms that. the best god is Unn

[fleet zinc]

Yeah for all we know the lifeblood creature is just controlling everything and just decided “hmmm big moth go wheeee infection hahaha”

[earnest drift]

gods in mythology act much more like people than radiance does idk what you mean

well depends on which mythology

[fleet zinc]

As in they needed to be controlled (worship)

But yeah it depends

[rotund gate]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ohio-speed-w-speed-ohio-speed-gif-15207259727360879344

[rotund gate]

FUCK

[earnest drift]

anyway back to where this started
i really hope the lifeblood god is a person and not a mindless force of nature like radiance

having one is fine but two would get annoying

[exotic cedar]

But ultrakill runs on my laptop i started it like some days ago and its good i love it i love that ga

[rotund gate]

[fleet zinc]

But what if the lifeblood god is… Zote?

[exotic cedar]

I like how lifeblood spread rapidly when there was an interreaction with void

Is it because the lifeblood higher being connected to the abyss? Or was it something else

[wind mulch]

i think the way lifeblood works makes it more likely to be the latter tbh

[hardy tangle]

i hope the lifeblood is a mindless force of nature

[earnest drift]

i'll kms

[fleet zinc]

Probably just feeds off essence

[trim estuary]

Zote’s Dad is the King of Greymoor theories are OVER!! The fan service we got was MID instead!!

[earnest drift]

team cherry you hit the mark with grand mother silk don't go back to one dimensional gods please nooooooooo

[strange knot]

Lwk want to do a steel soul run again

[uncut hawk]

Good night Guys

[wind mulch]

lifeblood doesnt seem calculated at all it seems to mirror the infection to me

[fiery burrow]

Lifeblood is gonna be Rad's sister or something lets be real

[uncut hawk]

I Have found Something intresting

[desert elk]

Are magnetic dice actually lucky or just a decoration

[trim estuary]

GMS is like a straight line

[hardy tangle]

lifeblood itself isnt interesting its those who consume it (JONI)

[wind mulch]

lifeblood beast is the next protagonist

[fiery burrow]

GMS is really good commentary on how bad mothers suck

[earnest drift]

a video game character who's similar to radiance is titan from deltarune who has even less depth and is even more mindless (stated to have no consciousness)
but i prefer titan because they aren't forced to be the main antagonist

[fleet zinc]

Dw it’s only up from here they obv didn’t think it 110% through when they released base game (hk) because who knew it would pop off so hard

[trim estuary]

I fail to see the similarities

[hardy tangle]

if we ever get a sentient lifeblood character (LIKE JONI) they would have successfully consumed lifeblood without turning into mush

[earnest drift]

mindless god who destroys everything
there aren't many similarities because both of them are very shallow characters

[uncut hawk]

The Needolin Dialogue of that Ladybug of the Game on the Room that you First Encounter Grindle says about an Tribe, Maybe we can see this Tribe as a Village with the Snail and Lion Villages on the Future?

[fleet zinc]

Technically hornet

[wind mulch]

i think gods should be shallow by definition although i understand people that would disagree

[hardy tangle]

little droplets

[earnest drift]

gurgh

[fiery burrow]

Why'd you choose the titan instead of an actually important two dimensional character like Noelle

[wind mulch]

making a god not shallow just makes it a powerful person

[trim estuary]

TRUTH NUKE

[hardy tangle]

i mean like completely drowning in lifeblood

[normal bramble]

The random capitalization makes this so painful to read, also maybe

[fiery burrow]

That's kinda what HK's story demands tbf

[earnest drift]

radiance could never hope to have the same depth as noelle

[trim estuary]

What if the Radiance had a crush on Unn and was trying to figure out if she had a tail the whole game

[earnest drift]

so is this problematic because noelle is 16 or is this problematic because radiance acts like a 5 year old

[trim estuary]

I mistyped

[earnest drift]

oh you edited it

[wind mulch]

what them being shallow or not?

[fleet zinc]

I don’t think shallow is the right word exactly, but there’s not really much better. They should be obscure, and obviously have more lore, but that lore will never be hinted to or answered

[wind mulch]

yea

[late nest]

How do I get that sawtooth thing

[wind mulch]

shallow isnt the right word your right but i cant think of a better

[fiery burrow]

A non-shallow powerful person (PK)

And a shallow force of nature like Rad

[wind mulch]

oh yea right

[hardy tangle]

(joni)

[fiery burrow]

I think both work in the context of the story

[exotic cedar]

12th architect in underworks
Needs a craftmetal

[wind mulch]

yea i dont think pks a bad character but im just talking about what i prefer from the word 'god'

[exotic cedar]

Idk the exact price but you need rosaries

[fleet zinc]

Christopher Larkin cameo music themed boss when

[fiery burrow]

I see

[wind mulch]

there isnt anything 'godlike' to me about the pk he is just a very powerful and smart bug

[fiery burrow]

Conductor Romino

[fleet zinc]

Mmhm but where’s the boss fight

[hardy tangle]

they will never make a rhythm based boss

[earnest drift]

nightmare heart is also a force of nature type god

[late nest]

What act is that in?

[hardy tangle]

whats bro on about

[fleet zinc]

True

[exotic cedar]

2

[fiery burrow]

Nightmare Heart just roleplays with itself all day

[earnest drift]

they want to be sustained via vessels

which are dimm and dimmchild

[hardy tangle]

we dont know how it possesses things with its masks

[earnest drift]

i hate grimm

[wind mulch]

i also lowk think the hellenic gods fit my definition more, like i understand their personifications to help us better understand but they dont act like people like a lot of people say, Neptune is more so the sea than he is any man regardless of form

[exotic cedar]

Just say you hate everything from hk

[fleet zinc]

Nightmare heart is a force of nature as it is a strong aspect of how life is forced to live in certain ways, and that’s unchanging, while radiance just bums around

[hardy tangle]

how bro felt doing that

[wind mulch]

Aphrodite is more-so beauty itself and temptation than she is an exceptionally pretty woman

[fleet zinc]

Gods with no set description are cool

[hardy tangle]

lowk divine is an intersting character

like why does she get to have half a mask

[graceful cairn]

I love this image so fucking much

[fleet zinc]

Being seen as a different entity be each unique individual imo makes a better omnipresent character

[graceful cairn]

LMAOOO

[fleet zinc]

eternal emilitia is as well. But not in terms of gods or anything it’s just a weird ahh character

[hardy tangle]

why does grimm even keep her if she does jack shit

maybe grmms into that shit idk

[fleet zinc]

She poops out grimmchild eggs for him

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ohio-speed

[uncut hawk]

I Think Having a Mask is Having an purpose, Maybe her Purpose was Complete but Because the Grimm Troupe she couldn't finish it

[hardy tangle]

js call her useless

[fleet zinc]

Not for leg eater. Ever wonder why divine ain’t have no legs while leg eater does?

[hardy tangle]

cus shes a termite queen

[fleet zinc]

Sshhhhh let the joke joke

[hardy tangle]

oh im dense

they probably fucked like crazy before she ate him

anyways

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/red-paper-coach-meme-gif-11221063440541197155

[fleet zinc]

[uncut hawk]

When Sex Update

[stable pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/gothamchess-chess-dance-funny-gif-9287931642885149956

[exotic dome]

https://giphy.com/gifs/son-luigi-companion-yRV4ytuuRsMPvgwJC2

[lavish apex]

this gif refuses to load

[rocky jolt]

its the guy who reacts to skibidi toilet! oh and he plays cs too i guess

[lavish apex]

oh nvm there it goes

[stable pilot]

I think he plays overwatch too, not sure

[desert elk]

I finally got couriers rasher done

it was a whole arc to get that thing delivered

[lavish apex]

it's much easier if you do it with all the movement upgrades

[stoic sigil]

Hey sigmas

[desert elk]

first it was clawline, then double jump cloak, and finally a sprint upgrade

not to mention every boss along the way

[lavish apex]

and take a particular route

[stoic sigil]

I did it first try please kneel.

[desert elk]

John Silksong

[desert elk]

I did all of that

[stoic sigil]

WITHOUT Double Jimp

Jimp

[desert elk]

all of this for some pale oil

thought it was a quest not a whole chapter

One Piece has faster progression than my skill issue fingers

[uncut hawk]

Noo

I lost 1000 Prayer Beads

[stoic sigil]

Team Cherry should've made every side quest, boss, item, and upgrade start a new act

[hardy tangle]

ari simpson

[desert elk]

I once lost 2000

I know that feeling

[stoic sigil]

ACT 16

COURIERS RASHER

[desert elk]

which is why you gotta bind them at the machine as a way of safe keeping

[stoic sigil]

4 Reed Room runs

[desert elk]

sacrifice a good 20 for the guarantee of 60

[uncut hawk]

On Hollow Knight Once I lost 3000 when I was Starting to Get the Unbreakable Strenght

That Fly that throws bombs at you

I Hate that Thing

[desert elk]

Which one

the deep docks version

[earnest drift]

what is divine's role as part of the grimm troupe

[uncut hawk]

Deep Docks

[earnest drift]

she doesn't look like she can dance

[desert elk]

Yeah i know that feeling

[hardy tangle]

nobody knows 😭

[desert elk]

Honestly most enemies that fly and throw stuff with splash are annoying

[stoic sigil]

If I died when I had 15k geo I probably wouldn't have touched hk ever again

[uncut hawk]

I Have 17 Rosaries strings

[stoic sigil]

Making Grimmchildren

[desert elk]

you can get 20 max

[earnest drift]

no the heart does that

[desert elk]

I learned

though I have two heavy rosarie strings

emergency stache

[uncut hawk]

10 of the 30
2 for the 60
2 of the 120
3 of the 220

[rocky jolt]

wow

[stoic sigil]

The other Grimmchildren

[desert elk]

so Hornet is wearing several bracelets

[stoic sigil]

Playing a game that doesn't exist

[uncut hawk]

Lemme see this now

[desert elk]

I have 10

2 heavy
1 Necklace
7 Strings

I break the 30 ones on instant usually

My courier stache came down to the literal seconds

[stoic sigil]

Ngl if Hornet has over 10 strings, she should get an audit request from the Citadel IRS at the next bench

[desert elk]

I was screaming for the guy to wake up

[stoic sigil]

Ummmmmmm

Couriers Rasher is always measured in seconds?????

[desert elk]

guess its milliseconds then

[stoic sigil]

That too?????

[desert elk]

idk like the last bar thing

like the spoiling bar thing

it was on the last drops of that health

like about to rot away

[stoic sigil]

Bars can't spoil????

[desert elk]

Idk what that timer thing around it is called

[stoic sigil]

I know I'm just ragebaiting

[desert elk]

I hope you lose all your beads in a boss room

or get jumped by those thiefs

[trim estuary]

Hey.

[earnest drift]

hornet can beat the knight in a fight

[magic crater]

how do you get fully evolved hunter crest?

[earnest drift]

talk to eva

[austere lotus]

Should I get an abortion before or after murdering my grandma?

[earnest drift]

after

[austere lotus]

I'm really struggling with the latter

[earnest drift]

it'll be worth it

[desert elk]

Ok I just found the greatest npc in HK and SK history

a guy named Zylotol

[magic crater]

ty

[desert elk]

that has to be a Xylotol reference

[earnest drift]

better than joni

[desert elk]

Honestly

yes

[earnest drift]

i wish salubra wasn't there

[vale whale]

hi guys

i started playing legends z-a today

very fun and i got it cheap

[steep jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-random-kid-random-kid-gif-10698606526004440975

[patent cosmos]

yuri time!

[vagrant ravine]

huh

[steep jolt]

genuinely nobody on the planet fucking ever asked for this

[earnest drift]

no one asked for radiance to be the final boss either yet here we are

[vagrant ravine]

ty steve

[earnest drift]

fuck radiance horrible character and horrible final boss

[wind mulch]

you will die by my sword

[vagrant ravine]

moth

[earnest drift]

i hate hollow knight it's badly written and overrated

[steep jolt]

mf has debt has her tag 🙏

[normal bramble]

Alright so at 14hs on my 30h 100% I’ve explored every area

[earnest drift]

silksong is better in every way

[vagrant ravine]

got ragebaited by a moth

[patent cosmos]

radiance is cool

[hardy tangle]

silksong haa no dlcs its so bad 😭

[patent cosmos]

I tihnk her and Grand Mother Silk would get along

[wind mulch]

hollow knight is an actual masterpiece silksong is only very good

[normal bramble]

And I now need to get the extra completion

[normal bramble]

I disagree

[hardy tangle]

no 🥀

[steep jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-nice-guy-no-more-mr-gif-14580269482594575582

[vagrant ravine]

nice

[wind mulch]

thats alright i understand how people would prefer a more character driven story like silksong

it just doesnt do it for me in the same way hollow knight does

[earnest drift]

do you think the pale king was intended to be an idiot who was too stupid to realise he could imprison the hollow knight outside of hallownest and then the infection wouldn't reach everyone and everything would be fine

[normal bramble]

I wouldn’t call silksong a flawless game but I still consider it one of the best games I’ve played

[vagrant ravine]

yeah being who wants to control everyone vs another being who wants to control everyone yeah they are totally getting along

[normal bramble]

And ive had a lot more fun then it then with HK

Albeit I’ve yet to finish HK

[wind mulch]

i still consider it a very very good game but i think hks storytelling is genuinely beautiful

[earnest drift]

radiance and grand mother silk would not get along because grand mother silk would be so appalled at how childish and shallow radiance is

[vagrant ravine]

then die to radiance

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk would either adopt radiance to raise her to be better or kill her because she's a lost cause

[steep jolt]

gms would use her silk to choke radiance

[earnest drift]

she doesn't have a neck

[hardy tangle]

gms would have 0 chance to form an opinion on radiance because she will instantly die

[patent cosmos]

hot

[vagrant ravine]

exactly

[tidal hearth]

Big lazerrr

[steep jolt]

she would choke pilby then

[vagrant ravine]

the power of the sun vs spiderwebs

[earnest drift]

pilby also does not have a neck

[wind mulch]

grandmother silk is a despotic abusive mother im not sure she has the moral high ground

[steep jolt]

ok dude can we get help and by we i mean you

[patent cosmos]

why do I need help

[earnest drift]

they're both horrible people but at least grand mother silk is interesting

[steep jolt]

ok what about homeless man then

[earnest drift]

how do we know he's a man

[vagrant ravine]

nah she aint lace is interesting her mother isnt

[normal bramble]

Bell hermit?

[steep jolt]

its in the lore

[earnest drift]

they're both more compelling than radiance

[wind mulch]

gms isnt especially interesting to me

[normal bramble]

Personally I love Gms

[wind mulch]

its just a slightly more personable radiance

[hardy tangle]

zote is objectively more intesresting than gms

[vagrant ravine]

and none more compelling than zote

[steep jolt]

no the mossy pilgrim in moss grotto that spits moss bullets is homeless man

[normal bramble]

Oh

[steep jolt]

well no shit

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk has development and meaningful relationships with other characters
radiance has nothing

[wind mulch]

the one thing that made radiance interesting was her sheer irrationality and detachment gms is just evil and abusive for the sake of it

[steep jolt]

no i think i could choke her like above her leg things

[earnest drift]

irrationality is the definition of "for the sake of it"

[hardy tangle]

let me ragebait come on

[vagrant ravine]

random npcs from undertale have deeper lore that main characters in hk and silksong

[steep jolt]

its not ragebait tho

[steep jolt]

monster kid has more lore genuinely

[wind mulch]

yea i worded that badly

[vagrant ravine]

gms watching a fish with a spear kill her by just being angry:

[earnest drift]

both radiance and grand mother silk were betrayed by their children but grand mother silk dealt with it in a meticulous way and targeted her vengeance accordingly

radiance threw a tantrum and destroyed everything and everyone because she was mad

[hardy tangle]

minecraft zombie has more lore than hk and sk 😂 ✌️

[wind mulch]

trying to personify radiance is just a misunderstanding of the character

[steep jolt]

the blue is where gms strangles her

[vagrant ravine]

yeah more like an unstoppable force

[steep jolt]

the red is where she is dead face

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk cared about lace while radiance killed all the moths

[hardy tangle]

buzzwods

[wind mulch]

people are too focused on enforcing reason onto what is meant to be a god

[vagrant ravine]

when the evil villain acts evil

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk is more sympathetic because radiance killed to stop herself from dying while grand mother silk's fate was worse than death

[earnest drift]

when the evil villain acts contradictory to her goals

[wind mulch]

sympathetic doesnt mean good

[earnest drift]

i know that

[hardy tangle]

gms let lace live cus she was gonna die anyway and as an egotistical prideful higher being she want some part of her to last forever

[wind mulch]

it just makes gms look more dumb because she seems to have an actual capacity to reason

[hardy tangle]

gms doesnt actually care about lace its just her being selfish again

[patent cosmos]

hornet and second sentinel are such a good couple

[earnest drift]

anyway radiance is a shitty overrated villain and grand mother silk is a nuanced three dimensional villain who has development and she acts like a person

[normal bramble]

Gms literally refused to stay in the void and almost tore down pharloom because lace was with her

It’s said like 5 times

[hardy tangle]

nah shes a narcissist

[normal bramble]

How do we even arrive at that conclusion

[vagrant ravine]

just sum autistic spider that controls ppl and is a bad mother im glad she dies in EVERY ENDing (geometry dash reference)

[timid plinth]

silk is my mommy

[earnest drift]

gms is egotistical but it's almost completely detached from her role in the game because her primary motive is to be free, not to be worshipped

[mental snow]

YOU CAN POGO THE THORNS IN FAR FIELDS???

[wind mulch]

you cant really call radiance badly written for being one dimensional when the entire point of the character is that she is one dimensional

[steep jolt]

its so sad

[vagrant ravine]

how tf were you moving around

[earnest drift]

but she's BORING

[wind mulch]

complexity does not somehow make something better

[earnest drift]

yes it does

[mental snow]

....by avoiding the thorns?

[steep jolt]

kinda they have weird hit boxes

[hardy tangle]

who gaf she looks cool

[wind mulch]

it can, but it doesnt inherently

[earnest drift]

aura > good writing

[vagrant ravine]

this mf when different people like different things and find different stuff interesting

[earnest drift]

soul master is a better villain than radiance

[steep jolt]

grimm has mid writing but w aura

[mental snow]

Didn't seem weird to me

[hardy tangle]

exactly

[wind mulch]

silksongs overall story is far less thematically complex than hk, does that make hk better?

[earnest drift]

hornet is a better villain than radiance and she's not even a villain

[steep jolt]

the thorn hit boxes are weird, sometimes you can straight up stand on them without getting hurt

[earnest drift]

first of all no it's not
second of all silksong is more complex and it's better

[steep jolt]

she kills gays and bugs of a different race because she thinks they look ugly

[wind mulch]

silksong is bigger but it tackles really quite simplistic themes

[patent cosmos]

okay and? a bigoted character can be heroic

[vagrant ravine]

they are very different stories, just the ambience changes a lot considering the first main character is silent while hornet isnt

[idle sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-metroman-my-death-was-greatly-exaggerated-gif-19307347

[earnest drift]

silent protagonist overused zzzzzzzzzzzz

second sentinel is better written than radiance

[vagrant ravine]

oh yeah cause its used in other stuff then when its done well its bad cause wahhh lace from discord doesnt like iiiiiit waaaah my opinion is the only valid opinion waaaah

[sharp slate]

Radiance I think is fine, i understand that you dont like that type of story but doesnt make it bad

everyone has their own taste for this stuff

[worn reef]

taste of pharloom was so much easier than my first playthrough

[exotic dome]

best quest in the game btw

[worn reef]

yeah it was fun

[vagrant ravine]

shovel knight is better than hollow knight

[worn reef]

the sinners boss was kinda easier

[earnest drift]

does shovel knight have a main antagonist who isn't a two dimensional destroy-everything character

[vagrant ravine]

that one was the one where you fed the big thing right?

[worn reef]

yes

[vagrant ravine]

idk he beat kratos

[wind mulch]

hollow knights story i felt dived a lot deeper into its themes than silksong attempted to

[worn reef]

now I can upgrade my nail and retry trobbio

[earnest drift]

what even are hollow knight's themes
nothing lasts forever?

[sharp slate]

Tbh if we are doing final boss comparisons, i like radiance more because the fight evolves more between stages/more grand of a fight

LL i like more for strict combat because silksong has better combat

Story, both are fine both are meh

[vagrant ravine]

tbh im lucky silksong dropped as i was doing my very first hk playthrough, so when it dropped i was mostly used to the gameplay and didnt have a hard time with silksong

[hardy tangle]

no one is empty or somthing

[leaden delta]

I wanna hear ur interpretation of hk actually

I’ve only recently been giving it more thought

[worn reef]

thats kinda ironic since silksong mechanica are kinda faster than hk

[undone gate]

I like LL more than Radience because she is a more fun boss

[worn reef]

but yeah getting used to it isnt too bad

[vagrant ravine]

silksong in general is harder but damn movement feels so good

[steep jolt]

my favorite final boss is the hollow knight

[worn reef]

yeah dash is awesome

[hardy tangle]

i like radiance more than ll cus she has more aura

[sharp slate]

Might be due to the being more responsive as well, able to snap at of swift step immediatly for example

[vagrant ravine]

mine is asgore and omega flowey in undertale

[earnest drift]

i like lost lace more than radiance because lace is a character

[steep jolt]

yeah i dont know what the fuck happened to flowey

[worn reef]

yeah just in general, hollow knight is just a slow bug, hornet is naturally fast

[vagrant ravine]

idk but it feels epic as shit and toby fox as always makes banger music

[sharp slate]

i honestly hate lace from a character point of view, i get how shes a villian, but 0 likability

[vagrant ravine]

phantom better

[sharp slate]

She just feels like a kid i want to punch in the face

[steep jolt]

lmaooooo i ragebaited this guy so fuckin hard

[hardy tangle]

lace is annoying yeah

[earnest drift]

lace isn't as annoying as quirrel or radiance