Okay okay let’s hear yours
#sk-discussion
crude geyser
rocky jolt
the unravelled is so stupid bro they unintentionally made a gauntlet longer than forum
coarse berry
I think unraveled took like 2 attempts
queen acorn
Okay okay let’s hear yours
karmelita lost lace seth beastfly 2 and fuckin soemone else idk
rough anvil
Unraveled took more attempts than lost lace
queen acorn
prolly damn lost garmond he took me forever
crude geyser
karmelita lost lace seth beastfly 2 and fuckin soemone else idk
Beastfly 2 is soo overrated
LOST GARMOND ???
queen acorn
Beastfly 2 is soo overrated
cz its hard
coarse berry
Beastfly 2 is soo overrated
this is true
queen acorn
i never said it was rational
crude geyser
It took me like 6-7 attempts
queen acorn
i js fucking struggled with him specifically
hybrid flare
It took me like 6-7 attempts
...
queen acorn
It took me like 6-7 attempts
silk seven
crude geyser
Didnt even had to learn him properly
rocky jolt
It took me like 6-7 attempts
rough anvil
We need a pogo where hornet goes up
queen acorn
unraveled is two predictablea attacks bro im sorry
coarse berry
I didn’t even know there was an exploding rock above the arena until I saw someone else do it
crude geyser
I wish we had a rematch against him
queen acorn
all bro ever does is run
light swan
warding bind post
bitter pebble
LL, TT, SSK, Groal (including gauntlet), Seth, Nyleth, Beastfly 2, Lace 2, voided Forebrothers, clover dancers, etc.
queen acorn
warding bind post
is it worth sacrificing injectors though
crude geyser
top 5 imo is : LL, unravelled, lugoni, karmelita, lace 2
light swan
is it worth sacrificing injectors though
i’d say so
timber vale
silksong so peak
queen acorn
top 5 imo is : LL, unravelled, lugoni, karmelita, lace 2
horrendous ass list bro
light swan
because it looks so cool
queen acorn
the ADUACITY to put lugoli and unravelled above karmelita
timber vale
silksong so peak
literally just started today btw
rough anvil
is it worth sacrificing injectors though
Vesticrest
crude geyser
horrendous ass list bro
Its my experience
timber vale
ok ima go before i get spoiled
queen acorn
because it looks so cool
true
hybrid flare
the hardest boss is trying not to annihilate nyleth and actually enjoy the boss
bitter pebble
top 5 imo is : LL, unravelled, lugoni, karmelita, lace 2
What could Lugoli possibly have over karmelite???
crude geyser
Lugoni took me more attempts than her
coarse berry
top 5 imo is : LL, unravelled, lugoni, karmelita, lace 2
Lugoni took one attempt
crude geyser
Same for unravelled
hybrid flare
What could Lugoli possibly have over karmelite???
a bigger a-
queen acorn
Lugoni took me more attempts than her
im crine bru were you straight eating his muckmaggot 😭
bitter pebble
a bigger a-
ASS JIM!
queen acorn
mmmm muckmaggot 🤤
coarse berry
Karmelita is in my top 3 for bosses I think (fun factor)
light swan
true
it’s still possible to bind without injector bands it’s just a bit harder so i’d say that the awesomeness balances it out
crude geyser
im crine bru were you straight eating his muckmaggot 😭
Personal experience
queen acorn
it’s still possible to bind without injector bands it’s just a bit harder so i’d...
yep
bitter pebble
nah but fr you can just hit the muckmaggot blobs away, the butt bounce is easy asl to dodge, and the slam is stupidly simple
crude geyser
Personally Seth for example wasnt that hard despite very challenging
light swan
ie: (same fight)
worldly lake
i really fuckin hated raging conchfly for some reason
bitter pebble
Personally Seth for example wasnt that hard despite very challenging
I had much more trouble with Nyleth than Seth
hybrid flare
seth is hella simple
cunning bobcat
am i the only one who found groal the great easy as hell and didnt even get close to dying once
queen acorn
yes
bitter pebble
i really fuckin hated raging conchfly for some reason
I beat that thing first try because I love angles
hybrid flare
and hes also weirdly readable but hard to read at the same time
coarse berry
ie: (same fight)
reject new types of damage embrace wanderers crest
light swan
reject new types of damage embrace wanderers crest
why?
queen acorn
dont act superiour everyone struggled to groal at some point
hybrid flare
ie: (same fight)
hunters crest + pin badge clears
queen acorn
reject new types of damage embrace wanderers crest
speedslop
rocky jolt
Vengefly King
crude geyser
I had much more trouble with Nyleth than Seth
LITERALLY
crude geyser
nyleth was super hard for me
worldly lake
then i pulled up with witch crest and destroyed it
bitter pebble
and hes also weirdly readable but hard to read at the same time
It's a difficult, yet simple fight that feels quite fair
bitter pebble
nyleth was super hard for me
yet its under unravelled?
queen acorn
no its insult i hate it
rough anvil
I use delver's drill against lugoli
hybrid flare
It's a difficult, yet simple fight that feels quite fair
I didnt find it rlly difficult at all, ive seen harder enemies
queen acorn
if i wanna destroy someone ill use beast
bitter pebble
and fucking ASS JIM?
light swan
hunters crest + pin badge clears
you can probably get more damage with snitch pick
bitter pebble
I didnt find it rlly difficult at all, ive seen harder enemies
I disagree with this take, but you probably just had a diff game experience than me so I don't wanna argue over it
queen acorn
you can probably get more damage with snitch pick
now that it actually WORKS in dream sequences
hybrid flare
I disagree with this take, but you probably just had a diff game experience than...
Yeah, it's just my experience
worldly lake
also i learned that rune rage unironically goes hard against far fields savage beastfly
queen acorn
also i learned that rune rage unironically goes hard against far fields savage b...
yep
worldly lake
it wastes its time roaring at the start and gets hit by ten billion trillion runes
queen acorn
anyways reserve bind should give wanderers a permanent crit increase
rough anvil
Whats the best crest in yall opinion
bitter pebble
Yeah, it's just my experience
For example, I rushed the act 3 plot without doing much side stuff so i only had like 7 masks and a few silk upgrades going into LL. I also didn't have much experience with harpooning in combat so I had a rough time against the no floor/walls part
coarse berry
Seth was an interesting boss but probably not top 5 in terms of difficulty
queen acorn
Whats the best crest in yall opinion
NONONOONONONON
worldly lake
boom, phase 2 within like 7 needle hits
queen acorn
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
rough anvil
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
bitter pebble
Whats the best crest in yall opinion
either reaper, hunter, wanderer, beast, architect, witch, or shaman.
coarse berry
Whats the best crest in yall opinion
you don’t want to do this
queen acorn
oh god we were so chill too
hybrid flare
For example, I rushed the act 3 plot without doing much side stuff so i only had...
oh nyleth? i kinda annihilated nyleth and imo its hard not to
worldly lake
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
the soul master became a weaver
queen acorn
the soul master became a weaver
yep
hybrid flare
either reaper, hunter, wanderer, beast, architect, witch, or shaman.
ahhh.. i see what you've done there, good job
queen acorn
either reaper, hunter, wanderer, beast, architect, witch, or shaman.
holy crestslop
rough anvil
Somebody told me silk was refined soul
coarse berry
oh nyleth? i kinda annihilated nyleth and imo its hard not to
Same
rough anvil
So i did this
queen acorn
if you use anything BUT slab hornet you suck
light swan
bitter pebble
if you use anything BUT slab hornet you suck
weaverqueen supremacy fr
coarse berry
if you use anything BUT slab hornet you suck
What about pre yarnaby witch
junior oyster
Whats the best crest in yall opinion
wanderers crest
queen acorn
kinda shit mfs did in hk looking for breakable walls
worldly lake
either reaper, hunter, wanderer, beast, architect, witch, or shaman.
if you aren't using weaverqueen crest you aren't playing the game bruh
queen acorn
What about pre yarnaby witch
true true
coarse berry
wanderers crest
don’t do this pls
hybrid flare
the slab on its way to ruin hornet's character after having some crazy good moments and parallels in act 3 and weaver queen
crude geyser
yet its under unravelled?
Yea bc unravelled was a cancer for me
queen acorn
wanderers crest
ofc a NEW user took it seriously
crude geyser
It was so obnoxious
bitter pebble
the slab on its way to ruin hornet's character after having some crazy good mome...
fym slab ruins hornet?
rough anvil
What about the best crest passive
queen acorn
fym slab ruins hornet?
makes her racist
hybrid flare
fym slab ruins hornet?
The entries man... the entries...
queen acorn
What about the best crest passive
hunter and its not close
worldly lake
what did the slab do 😭
bitter pebble
makes her racist
she already was racist 😭
junior oyster
ofc a NEW user took it seriously
is this an inside joke of some sort?
queen acorn
she already was racist 😭
have you SEEN slab entries this is a NEW level
light swan
why is hunter crest so strong
hybrid flare
0 empathy btw, even once she knows they're slaves
coarse berry
I would be pissed too if some bugs kidnapped me and took my clothes
queen acorn
i never even knew one could get more racist
broken seal
This is the true Last Dive
hybrid flare
why is hunter crest so strong
Because i main it
crude geyser
What about the best crest passive
Reaper
crude geyser
Like no contest
light swan
What about the best crest passive
witch becuase witch bind is cool
queen acorn
your right on no contest cz its hunter
bitter pebble
why is hunter crest so strong
If you can get hits in without getting hit, you get insane damage boosts
coarse berry
Wanderer’s crit is so satisfying
subtle lynx
What about the best crest passive
Hunter
hybrid flare
hunter because damage, beast's shield pierce is also neat
queen acorn
omg a nerd reaction my life is over
worldly lake
why didn't she kill the freshfly that spawned after broodmother
broken seal
Hornet's racism towards Flies is based
light swan
Like no contest
this is who you tjink you are isnt it
crude geyser
Reaper has both the best pogo and best passive
queen acorn
this is who you tjink you are isnt it
oh god its so slow
hybrid flare
why didn't she kill the freshfly that spawned after broodmother
she CAN'T be THIS evil bro they gotta spare some for the 4th old heart
hybrid flare
Hornet's racism towards Flies is based
what the fuck?
bitter pebble
Hunter's is best, reaper's is best for casual, wanderer's is most satisfying, beast fits most with the crest itself, and im forgetting the other crest passives
queen acorn
Reaper has both the best pogo and best passive
dude its not the best im sorry
rough anvil
this is who you tjink you are isnt it
subtle lynx
The reaper passive is such a nothing burger
crude geyser
reaper passive is so ass
Skill issue
coarse berry
Reaper has both the best pogo and best passive
counter point, wanderer pogo
queen acorn
Skill issue
NO way you said skill issue to reaper
light swan
istg bro LOL
broken seal
Reaper has both the best pogo and best passive
It's neither the best pogo or the best passive
queen acorn
im act crine how stupid can one be 😭
crude geyser
I admit : reaper doesnt have the best moveset
light swan
oh god its so slow
subtle lynx
counter point, wanderer pogo
Now THAT's a massive skill issue
crude geyser
But the best pogo and passive
coarse berry
Now THAT's a massive skill issue
💔
queen acorn
notice how the only good damage was the bind
subtle lynx
But the best pogo and passive
The reaper passive sucks lol
bitter pebble
Hunter's passive is the best, reaper's passive is the best for casual, wanderer's passive is the most satisfying, beast passive fits most with the crest itself, and im forgetting the other crest passives.
worldly lake
hot take
queen acorn
reapers passive isnt even that powerful what????
light swan
notice how the only good damage was the bind
💔
leaden delta
All things considered reaper pogo isn’t THAT slow, but I still think it could be 9f startup instead of 10
broken seal
what the fuck?
I said what i said. Racism? Bad, obviously. Fictional racism towards awful creatures? Yeah whatever
light swan
queen acorn
I said what i said. Racism? Bad, obviously. Fictional racism towards awful creat...
also what
crude geyser
The reaper passive sucks lol
Sill issue Lmao
queen acorn
its racism tf r u on
coarse berry
I had no idea crest discrimination was a thing until like yesterday
coarse berry
guys what are we on rn
queen acorn
Sill issue Lmao
dude it sucks idk what to tell you
hybrid flare
I said what i said. Racism? Bad, obviously. Fictional racism towards awful creat...
they're slaves..
subtle lynx
I said what i said. Racism? Bad, obviously. Fictional racism towards awful creat...
Be careful dude, using your brain cells is forbidden here
crude geyser
It aint my fault you guys are bad at the game
coarse berry
architect top??
it’s in the architect tier
worldly lake
queen acorn
It aint my fault you guys are bad at the game
god almighty please shut up
toxic vigil
oh wait yall
queen acorn
the value of reapers is ass it can go cry in a corner
hybrid flare
Be careful dude, using your brain cells is forbidden here
Mate it's not even about the virtual racism, it's about how it is portrayed
broken seal
they're slaves..
Having wrong done to you does not make you immune to doing wrong yourself
bitter pebble
should we defenestrate the people who use "skill issue" and "git gud" as serious responses in arguments?
crude geyser
the value of reapers is ass it can go cry in a corner
Nerd
toxic vigil
ITS ALPHABETICAL ORDER
queen acorn
should we defenestrate the people who use "skill issue" and "git gud" as serious...
true!
hybrid flare
Having wrong done to you does not make you immune to doing wrong yourself <:feel...
The game potrays this as super righteous and just
crude geyser
We all have different experiences with crest tools and such
queen acorn
THERE IS NO WAY CHUD ASS CALLED ME A NERD IM ACT CRINE
crude geyser
The important part is tha we won
subtle lynx
Mate it's not even about the virtual racism, it's about how it is portrayed
I've already discussed this several times here, not again
crude geyser
THERE IS NO WAY CHUD ASS CALLED ME A NERD IM ACT CRINE
Youre lowkey projecting
hybrid flare
Ye kill them in self defense wtv, but no pity whatsover? even after talking to old penitent?
queen acorn
Youre lowkey projecting
your a DORK bro be QUIET 😭
coarse berry
the beauty of silksong is that you can customize to your own play style perfectly why are we arguing about which crest is best
subtle lynx
The important part is tha we won
NO, the important part is that people recognise the superiority of hunter crest
crude geyser
your a DORK bro be QUIET 😭
Stop projecting
crude geyser
NO, the important part is that people recognise the superiority of hunter crest
If you say so
crude geyser
The important is that we all won
There is no point competing which way is easier to beat the game
Bc we won
queen acorn
WHAT DID YOU WIN???
coarse berry
what keybind do yall use for claw line
subtle lynx
The important is that we all won
NO, the important part is that people recognise the superiority of injector band + multbinder
queen acorn
what keybind do yall use for claw line
e
tight viper
what keybind do yall use for claw line
Right mouse button
still osprey
what keybind do yall use for claw line
S, the default
trim estuary
WHAT DID YOU WIN???
The respect of our peers
coarse berry
Right mouse button
This is the correct answer
subtle lynx
what keybind do yall use for claw line
L2
worldly lake
rune rage
queen acorn
The respect of our peers
valid
bitter pebble
lower side mouse button
crude geyser
Bro, sending your cheeks reaction images doesnt make you right
queen acorn
This is the correct answer
i would have this but im a stupid ass laptop chud
toxic vigil
im bored
coarse berry
i would have this but im a stupid ass laptop chud
That’s fair
crude geyser
subtle lynx
The acid sweets package be like
crude geyser
NO, the important part is that people recognise the superiority of injector band...
No, the whispfire should be superior alone
bitter pebble
dash is right click, heal is upper side mouse button, attack is left click, harpoon is lower side mouse button, silk skill is middle click
crude geyser
Bro is a dork
queen acorn
No, the whispfire should be superior alone
subtle lynx
No, the whispfire should be superior alone
Should? Idk but it sucks
bitter pebble
No, the whispfire should be superior alone
ok he's just ragebaiting
crude geyser
ok he's just ragebaiting
ITS GOOD
coarse berry
dash is right click, heal is upper side mouse button, attack is left click, harp...
congrats you found the ultimate mouse optimization
queen acorn
ITS GOOD
delete your entire shit bro
delete your account delete your steam delete every game you own
worldly lake
wispfire looks cool and comes from a cool area
crude geyser
My reaction to that info
hybrid flare
My reaction to that info
you little cunt
worldly lake
My reaction to that info
uAGH :(
hybrid flare
my fucking ears
queen acorn
My reaction to that info
also this annoyed me can we get a mod to ban him
a minor inconvenience for me must result in an instaban
queen acorn
i spent like 2 hours on hhg enemy rando
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crude geyser
also this annoyed me can we get a mod to ban him
Dork
bitter pebble
i spent like 2 hours on hhg enemy rando
oh no...
graceful cairn
a minor inconvenience for me must result in an instaban
real
crude geyser
you little cunt
Sorry
broken seal
i spent like 2 hours on hhg enemy rando
😭🙏
queen acorn
oh no...
i still didnt do it
yk i even passed the maestro stage i was doing WELL
until i got jumped by fucking double lost garmond
toxic vigil
queen acorn
holy goodslop
crude geyser
short crest
Took like 10 tries is it that hard? 😭🙏
exotic dome
My reaction to that info
2020 ptsd
toxic vigil
holy goodslop
circlet moment
queen acorn
Took like 10 tries is it that hard? 😭🙏
whos this again
toxic vigil
Took like 10 tries is it that hard? 😭🙏
there is another
crude geyser
whos this again
Bro stop
queen acorn
oh was it beastfly?
short crest
there is another
Ik
broken seal
i pray you ONLY get Maestros and Yumamas
short crest
whos this again
Beastfly
subtle lynx
Isn't circlet + wanderer a terrible combi
broken seal
@queen acorn
trim estuary
also this annoyed me can we get a mod to ban him
Screamers are banned so yeah you could probably report this to mods
queen acorn
i pray you ONLY get Maestros and Yumamas
thats not very nice
short crest
Beastfly was kinda fun ngl
compact hemlock
anyone know why Sprint master is so gay
subtle lynx
Isn't circlet + wanderer a terrible combi
Each time you're activating circlet you could have done a needle hit which could have been crit and charged your silk
graceful cairn
LMAO
hybrid flare
Each time you're activating circlet you could have done a needle hit which could...
you can shortjump circlet and itll be viable
queen acorn
Each time you're activating circlet you could have done a needle hit which could...
you do know you attack every circlet trigger right
subtle lynx
Well no, because you jumped
queen acorn
i
hybrid flare
you also simulatenously slash
crude geyser
How silksong fans be talking about second beastfly and groal
queen acorn
@light swan can you explain it
compact hemlock
hi karmelita
hybrid flare
How silksong fans be talking about second beastfly and groal
at release
broken seal
Each time you're activating circlet you could have done a needle hit which could...
You can attack and circlet together
queen acorn
dont first try so you can do karmelita even more
bitter pebble
going to be happy actually
trust me you dont wanna first try it cuz it means you get to experience PEAK more
compact hemlock
trust me you dont wanna first try it cuz it means you get to experience PEAK mor...
exactly
craw summons finally
bitter pebble
how much is the first sinner heal
i think its 10% but im probably EXTREMELY wrong on that
queen acorn
i think its 10% but im probably EXTREMELY wrong on that
i might gotta test it
but i couldnt be asked to
thats the job of some hk wiki tryhard to do
bitter pebble
thats the job of some hk wiki tryhard to do
Which I am not
queen acorn
yep
sharp slate
i can check real quick, only will take like 1 minute
queen acorn
bet
sharp slate
i think its 10% but im probably EXTREMELY wrong on that
spot on actually
queen acorn
our bind is 3 masks and shes healing fucking 130
worldly lake
ok but seriously why was everyone complaining about savage beastfly 😭
queen acorn
thats just absurd
sharp slate
ok but seriously why was everyone complaining about savage beastfly 😭
you can get there with pretty low gear which is brutal
worldly lake
its attacks were lowkey simple and it wasn't the only boss at that point that dealt double damage
bitter pebble
spot on actually
damn lol
short crest
I kinda liked beastfly 😭🙏
queen acorn
its attacks were lowkey simple and it wasn't the only boss at that point that de...
the one dash attack
bitter pebble
its attacks were lowkey simple and it wasn't the only boss at that point that de...
people don't like its low TBA
queen acorn
that one attack was so damn unpredictable
tight viper
ok but seriously why was everyone complaining about savage beastfly 😭
People reached it with low equipment
light swan
<@1140123811136671744> can you explain it
do i still need to or is it over
graceful cairn
ok but seriously why was everyone complaining about savage beastfly 😭
far fields beastfly is annoying cause of the adds
tight viper
The charge is also a little wonky
queen acorn
do i still need to or is it over
i think thyer gone now
light swan
👍
tight viper
There’s a pattern to it, but the pattern isn’t immediately obvious
queen acorn
The charge is also a little wonky
first charge aims for you while the next one doesnt and the final one does but the aim of the 2nd one is dependant on the first one????
this is the 5th boss ever what the fuck????
not even widow had this complex attacks???
tight viper
this is the 5th boss ever what the fuck????
5th?
light swan
just dodge the dash :)
sharp slate
the secret to every boss
queen acorn
just dodge the dash :)
lost lace is easy just dont get hit
bitter pebble
does anyone wanna see me struggle to do anything in steel soul?
fringe mountain
does anyone wanna see me struggle to do anything in steel soul?
The bosses aren’t even a problem it’s the open world 😭
sharp slate
tbh biggest checkpoint for my first steel soul were widow, trobbio, lace 2, though i was trying to speedrun achievement at same time xD
bitter pebble
The bosses aren’t even a problem it’s the open world 😭
thats the struggle lol
toxic vigil
Hello
heavy arch
where should i go now?
toxic vigil
cogwork dancers speedkill is kinda hard
toxic vigil
where should i go now?
explore choral chambers more ( up and left and down )
bitter pebble
where should i go now?
right then up then left
surreal halo
Nice instructions ^_^
exotic dome
i shouldve learned spogos before lol
surreal halo
Opposite directions ^_^
heavy arch
right then up then left
wtf u mean? r u tryna take me to mount fay
tight viper
where should i go now?
Check that bottom right area in Choral Chambers, methinks
sharp slate
i shouldve learned spogos before lol
i saw the video was 27 seconds and i was like holy hell thats a speed kill, it was infact not a speed kill, cool though xD
bitter pebble
wtf u mean? r u tryna take me to mount fay
no im tryna take you to the actual progression spots lol
surreal halo
wtf u mean? r u tryna take me to mount fay
I belive underworks...
heavy arch
no im tryna take you to the actual progression spots lol
so just tell me the name
ive been spoiled a lot
idc abt spoilers
bitter pebble
||Songclave|| and ||Cogwork Dancers||
exotic dome
i saw the video was 27 seconds and i was like holy hell thats a speed kill, it w...
lol just learning spogos
light swan
i shouldve learned spogos before lol
holy shit that was almost a warding bind at the end
toxic vigil
i saw the video was 27 seconds and i was like holy hell thats a speed kill, it w...
i did karmelita in 24 lol
sharp slate
i did karmelita in 24 lol
noice
exotic dome
sad that this is not possible with hunter 😔
toxic vigil
flintslate is peak
cross stitch is peak
volt filament is more cross stitch so more peak
wanderer is peak ❤️
and circlet
low wasp
||water on the hill!||
worldly lake
light swan
sad that this is not possible with hunter 😔
spogos Are possible from the side and hunter is more consistent at it than others at the corner at least
but beast (first half) and reaper can spogo at least
heavy arch
||Songclave|| and ||Cogwork Dancers||
should i go to cogwork dancers now or songclave
toxic vigil
but beast (first half) and reaper can spogo at least
Wdym beast 1st half
toxic vigil
should i go to cogwork dancers now or songclave
You need to do cogwork dancers to get there
light swan
Wdym beast 1st half
the first half of beast pogo’s animation/hitbox can land the spogo
heavy arch
oh
toxic vigil
Interesting
toxic vigil
beast pogo stays out for a LONG time
Its more of a dash attack tbh
light swan
especially cuz of the 15 frame startup you gotta like land the pogo pretth early to land the spogo
toxic vigil
Its more of a dash attack tbh
Its weird. Like cool but personally dislike.
keen solstice
Spogo might be very consistent using the dash pogo tech of beast
toxic vigil
https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-14514797702729285380
Flea bounce is peak
heavy arch
how do i go up from here (i want to get to clockwork dancers)
heavy arch
Flea bounce is peak
bruh why u hating on nkg 😔
coral wind
how do i go up from here (i want to get to clockwork dancers)
Walk
toxic vigil
bruh why u hating on nkg 😔
light swan
Spogo might be very consistent using the dash pogo tech of beast
every crest can spogo from the side
heavy arch
sounds like a skill issure
coral wind
I can't find myself bro
tight viper
how do i go up from here (i want to get to clockwork dancers)
Go around through that tall room to your left, or go to the right half and climb that room
keen solstice
every crest can spogo from the side
Not saying it has to be from teh side
I meant the tech itself since dash gives you just enough space to land another pogo, which should work well with sawtooth
heavy arch
oh i get it
coral wind
Go around through that tall room to your left, or go to the right half and climb...
Ts sounds harder than sbf shitty maze
light swan
yea it does make it easier
compact hemlock
holy shite I beat karmelita with one hp
tight viper
Ts sounds harder than sbf shitty maze
How?
light swan
although… why spogo when you could be doing this
keen solstice
Isn't that my clip lmao
compact hemlock
although… why spogo when you could be doing this
wtf
light swan
Isn't that my clip lmao
no
coral wind
How?
There's like one million death traps that need a zyrith soloist aka a unemployed guy like me to cross it
leaden delta
Hunter
light swan
i got this from iliketoplaygen8 (timmy)
keen solstice
i got this from iliketoplaygen8 (timmy)
And he got it from me lol
leaden delta
sigh I should prob try to make another silksong map
crude geyser
Whats more dangerous lore wise ? The plasnium/lifeblood or infection ?
leaden delta
but like. idccccccccccc
light swan
And he got it from me lol
oh nvm then lol
keen solstice
I was about to ask if you got it from him but i forgot his username
leaden delta
I have good games to play and silksong isn’t all that to me platforming wise and I feel like I’d rather map hk, but I also don’t have motivation for that?
tight viper
Whats more dangerous lore wise ? The plasnium/lifeblood or infection ?
Impossible to know right now, since SoS will likely deal with Lifeblood/Plasmium
heavy arch
isnt clockwork dancers a ez boss
light swan
sigh I should prob try to make another silksong map
i made this yesterday, first time doing level design stuff
tight viper
isnt clockwork dancers a ez boss
Their attacks have a lot of telegraphing, but they’re fairly difficult
compact hemlock
tight viper
Depends on your equipment as well
light swan
i made this yesterday, first time doing level design stuff
it gets worse as it progresses becuase interesting level design with hornet is hard
keen solstice
5 sawtooth 5 normal attacks
28+26
64x5
320 dmg in less than 2s
How much dmg reduction does grand reed have again
tight hull
hello guys I'm back after a week off
leaden delta
it gets worse as it progresses becuase interesting level design with hornet is h...
EXAFTLY
keen solstice
How much is their hp again
280?
leaden delta
this is my main problem with ss mapping
light swan
How much is their hp again
280?
260
leaden delta
this is something I do not feel with tk
there’s only so much you can do with hornet
light swan
i feel like itd be worse with tk
leaden delta
it isn’t
light swan
unless we’re factoring weird pogo tech like shriek pogos or slowballs or smth
leaden delta
straight up I disagree
crude geyser
Why is there no abyss tools…
toxic vigil
although… why spogo when you could be doing this
This but wanderer is basically me.
Add flintslate and cross stitch filament
light swan
i dont see what makes hornet worse than the knight at this, clawline just adds a TAD bit more depth to the dash
floating with updrafts is pretth cool to reset your stuff
light swan
unless we’re factoring weird pogo tech like shriek pogos or slowballs or smth
but yea with these in mind, i get what you mean lol
leaden delta
Hold on I need to try to think of my explanation
royal nacelle
Why is there no abyss tools…
cuz yes
leaden delta
I haven’t quite put it into words I think
keen solstice
although… why spogo when you could be doing this
Btw look at the top right lol
light swan
Btw look at the top right lol
what am i looking for
light swan
i made this yesterday, first time doing level design stuff
magnetite platforms are the only reason why this is interesting
keen solstice
what am i looking for
Fps and cpu usage
light swan
and that’s because i’m miopilled
spent too much time attacking in platforming and now it’s spreading into silksong
twilit lichen
What are the 10 easiest tools to get after this i need architect key
light swan
Fps and cpu usage <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
uhh i know nothing about those i jut see 60 fps is that special
heavy arch
can i fight clogwork dancers w/o clawline
toxic vigil
What are the 10 easiest tools to get after this i need architect key
dice
light swan
What are the 10 easiest tools to get after this i need architect key
buy out the shops
strong tartan
yo how hard is this boss?
keen solstice
uhh i know nothing about those i jut see 60 fps is that special
No it just exists in all my clips kek
timid valve
What are the 10 easiest tools to get after this i need architect key
Magnetite brooch
leaden delta
I think it’s mainly the lack of more movement shit. the extra stuff tk gets access to allows for more varied platforming, and stuff like spells are also way more useful. ultimately I don’t find clawline or float that impactful of movement when im making stuff. clawline is cool but don’t think it’s AS impactful as people usually pass it off as. Also tk is a bit more conductive to being in the sky, which is where you get the more interesting platforming
surreal halo
i made this yesterday, first time doing level design stuff
Nice ^_^
leaden delta
does that make sense?
light swan
No it just exists in all my clips kek
ah lol
leaden delta
you’ll have to trust me. I mapped hk for like 5 years and got burnt out with silksong in like 4 months
light swan
I think it’s mainly the lack of more movement shit. the extra stuff tk gets acce...
spells are pretty useful i completely forgot
nah nah i trust you and agree with you lol
im just less experienced with this so i’m trying to find the reason why
spells, movement tech like with the pogos
surreal halo
yo how hard is this boss?
Not too hard... medium difficulty ^_^
toxic vigil
yo how hard is this boss?
light swan
uhh outside of that cdash is the only other specific movement ability rifht
slender juniper
I'm still too lazy to practice lace 2
surreal halo
Is that a mod?
slender juniper
I'm still too lazy to practice lace 2
Id have to use benchwarp to get the melodies and I'm simply too lazy
For some reason benchwarp doesn't have the lace room 
keen solstice
Is that a mod?
What's a mod
slender juniper
Is that a mod?
What mod
strong tartan
setup?
light swan
man fuck cross stitch why are parries so dumb
keen solstice
The setup is kinda obvious lol
light swan
warding bell is a good parry
toxic vigil
warding bell is a good parry
thats more like stallwart shell
light swan
dont uou take damage with stalwart shell
slender juniper
setup?
Barbed bracelet, evolved hunter,cross stitch, volt filament,flintslate,
And tacks
slender juniper
these tools
Get that shit out of my screen thank you
leaden delta
uhh outside of that cdash is the only other specific movement ability rifht
Yes, but even cdash has some interesting shit you can do with it, esp when you start getting into glitches n stuff
surreal halo
these tools
Nice ^_^
toxic vigil
Nice ^_^
( the one on the left yellow is shell satchel, steel soul exclusive but i hacked it in )
leaden delta
Cdash storage can get sexy as hell
surreal halo
( the one on the left yellow is shell satchel, steel soul exclusive but i hacked...
Nice ^_^
toxic vigil
dont uou take damage with stalwart shell
no.
light swan
im not well versed in glitches and cool pogo tech
leaden delta
Ddark rise storage is p cool but hard to get rid of. Levi used it in lm5
slender juniper
these tools
Why are you using wanderer if your doing hitless
surreal halo
That's vannila gameplay
It has mods so...
slender juniper
Why are you using wanderer if your doing hitless <:agoneyes:836903008116932629>
Evolved hunter is right there
leaden delta
Hold on hold on I have the perfect demonstration of why I like hk more
toxic vigil
Why are you using wanderer if your doing hitless <:agoneyes:836903008116932629>
im not. that was a quick kill
leaden delta
have you seen g40cm
toxic vigil
are you thinking of baldufs shell
oh y eah
light swan
no
keen solstice
Get that shit out of my screen thank you
Why?
You want ones that are faster?
toxic vigil
sorry my bad i am dumb
slender juniper
im not. that was a quick kill
Yes and hunter would be faster
light swan
baldurs shell doesnt use your soul or damage the enemy
keen solstice
If you want faster just use architect lo
slender juniper
Maybe idk
slender juniper
If you want faster just use architect lo
I don't know what that is sorry
leaden delta
toxic vigil
Yes and hunter would be faster
flintslate is only addative
leaden delta
lovingly crafted thumbnails by me btw. god im so awesome
slender juniper
flintslate is only addative
Yes ? Ik
keen solstice
Sure you can use hunter beast witch shaman to get faster kill than ehat rocket showed but if you really want a speed kill just use architect
toxic vigil
Yes ? Ik<:feelspkman:639636442821165056> <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
so i only get x2 instead of 1.5 x 1.34 + crits
though flea brew exists, and 1 more red slot
i just like wanderer more
leaden delta
so this is my ultimate hk map. I was gonna make a more ultimate one with architect but then ss released and I lose motivation
surreal halo
Yes ? Ik<:feelspkman:639636442821165056> <:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
Wanderer is faster if you get good rng ^_^
normal bramble
flintslate is only addative
Im pretty sure Hunters max focus outdps’s wanderer (unless you get some really good crit luck)
slender juniper
so i only get x2 instead of 1.5 x 1.34 + crits
1.5×1.3 is less than 2
surreal halo
though flea brew exists, and 1 more red slot
i just like wanderer more
Wanderer is just more fun to use ^_^
keen solstice
Wanderer is faster if you get good rng ^_^
You need atleast 5 crits to match hunter or beast
slender juniper
OH SHIT I FORGOT GAMBLING
toxic vigil
1.5×1.3 is less than 2
- crits
slender juniper
PULL OUT THE DICE
surreal halo
You need atleast 5 crits to match hunter or beast
Yep ^_^
toxic vigil
You need atleast 5 crits to match hunter or beast
beast crest needs constant bind aka less cross stitch
keen solstice
beast crest needs constant bind aka less cross stitch
Less cross stitch= more damage lol
toxic vigil
What's 1.34 for?
wanderer
keen solstice
Cross stitch dmg is doodoo outside of shaman
keen solstice
Only worth for avoiding damage
toxic vigil
Wanderer what<:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
attack speed
keen solstice
Plus you can just parry instead and get increased attack speed for every parry landed lo
still osprey
Cross stitch dmg is doodoo outside of shaman
it's literally the same as silk spear, pale nails, and unextended thread storm
keen solstice
it's literally the same as silk spear, pale nails, and unextended thread storm
And they all deal mid damage compared to nail spam unless shaman
heavy arch
THERES A FORUTH PHASE TO CLOCKWORK 7DANCERS
slender juniper
attack speed
What ,1.5 is flintslate right?why are you putting attack speed
heavy arch
I COULD ONLY DO LIKE 3 PHASES
still osprey
it's 3x needle damage that's not bad at all
slender juniper
Huh
heavy arch
wait is the 4th phase the phase where their attacks are uncoordinated
toxic vigil
What ,1.5 is flintslate right?why are you putting attack speed
for flintslate yeah
vs flintslate hunter
meager jolt
it's literally the same as silk spear, pale nails, and unextended thread storm
Unextended?
toxic vigil
wait is the 4th phase the phase where their attacks are uncoordinated
thats 3rd
heavy arch
bruh
keen solstice
it's 3x needle damage that's not bad at all
Considering cast time required you would get alot more from just spamming nail, unless you use sharpdart/silkspear to a wall
still osprey
Unextended?
mashing the button makes thread storm last longer
heavy arch
i could only do 3 phases
toxic vigil
it's literally the same as silk spear, pale nails, and unextended thread storm
unex is 69 i think
keen solstice
If you can get it to cancel by hitting a wall
meager jolt
mashing the button makes thread storm last longer
HOLY PEAK???????
keen solstice
Then it becomes alot more
toxic vigil
it's literally the same as silk spear, pale nails, and unextended thread storm
it has 1 more than silk spear or pale nails
leaden delta
god I love g40cm im op as fuck
still osprey
Considering cast time required you would get alot more from just spamming nail, ...
cross stitch is instant
silk spear has tech giving it reduced windup frames
thread storm does not take long at all to cast
pulsar oxide
There are 62 levers in hollow knight, which is basically equal 42 if you just round down. Because there are basically just 42 levers in hollow knight, we can use the knowledge of 42 being the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything to determine that every silksong dlc will release within the next 42 days
keen solstice
cross stitch is instant
silk spear has tech giving it reduced windup frames
thre...
Cross stitch animation keeps you locked for more than a second
slender juniper
Is 1.34 hits per second or how long does it take to hit once?
Oh right cuz wanderer has 34% faster attack speed
keen solstice
I'm considering the entire animation, not just windup
surreal halo
There are 62 levers in hollow knight, which is basically equal 42 if you just ro...
This is horrible logic... okay ^_^
still osprey
well if you're using cross stitch you won't be sitting there you'll be getting attacked and triggering the skill hello 😭
subtle lynx
well if you're using cross stitch you won't be sitting there you'll be getting a...
Hi 👋
still osprey
that's like a horrible counterpoint
keen solstice
well if you're using cross stitch you won't be sitting there you'll be getting a...
You literally need to wait a second to be able to attack again lmao
light swan
https://youtu.be/RJcaosXdGR8 https://youtu.be/z9OIw5VCYfI
i feel like this also delves into things like how stuff like the dash and double jump feel to use
keen solstice
Would be better to clawline dash for iframes to the other side
toxic vigil
Than wanderer
yeah if you get focus 2
timid valve
HOLY PEAK???????
but the extended hits are weaker*
subtle lynx
But I'm pretty sure focused hunter has better dps
Someone tested this
slender juniper
yeah if you get focus 2
You can get focus 2 for karmelita from the gauntlet so you can start the fight fully focused
toxic vigil
also i just like wanderer more
pulsar oxide
This is horrible logic... okay ^_^
Well according to me, my logic is perfectly reasonable and correct
keen solstice
Clawline dash is much faster for iframes and avoiding dmg whike repositioning and is overall just better than using cross stitch
meager jolt
but the extended hits are weaker*
Still cool, tho!
toxic vigil
You can get focus 2 for karmelita from the gauntlet so you can start the fight f...
yeah ik hunter is better.
i am just better at wanderer circlet timings
leaden delta
i feel like this also delves into things like how stuff like the dash and double...
This is also true! wings feel a tiny bit more useful because of the extra distance you cover, and dash is the main reason why tk is more conductive to constantly being in the sky which is very important
slender juniper
also i just like wanderer more
Blasphemy
subtle lynx
Clawline dash is much faster for iframes and avoiding dmg whike repositioning an...
Anything is
meager jolt
Does it cost extra Silk?
slender juniper
What does
surreal halo
Well according to me, my logic is perfectly reasonable and correct
It's still a nice guess ^_^ But it will probably come out in the summer...
timid valve
Does it cost extra Silk?
Nope, free
meager jolt
Nope, free
Double PEAK!!!!!!!
light swan
shade dashing and shade gates also introduces downdashing in a cool way
leaden delta
downdashes r so sexy
tight viper
Sea of Sorrow will release on April 2nd
leaden delta
ur right
toxic vigil
also wanderer has more range than hunter @slender juniper
meager jolt
It's still a nice guess ^_^ But it will probably come out in the summer...
Nice cool water to swim in (do people go to water for summer?)
pulsar oxide
It's still a nice guess ^_^ But it will probably come out in the summer...
Sos is coming out on May 29, June 5, or whatever day is 42 days from now
slender juniper
Extension of Thread Storm
Is extending thread storm still worth it after the nerf?like short thread storm + needle hit in the same amount of time is more damage
light swan
all of this is making me want mio level editor even more than before
surreal halo
Nice cool water to swim in (do people go to water for summer?)
No idea ^_^
subtle lynx
Is extending thread storm still worth it after the nerf?like short thread storm ...
Aoe + it is easier obviously
surreal halo
Nice cool water to swim in (do people go to water for summer?)
Ducks do at least ^_^
subtle lynx
How often are you thread storm and immediately hitting
graceful oyster
Sea of Sorrow will release on April 2nd
You see you'd expect this to be April First, but on April First everybody is going to be saying "Sea of Sorrow Tomorrow" and actually be correct about it
Therin lies the joke
timid valve
Is extending thread storm still worth it after the nerf?like short thread storm ...
Thread Strom isn't actually something I use, I just know the theory itself 
meager jolt
Ducks do at least ^_^
Ducks are always in the water, right?
subtle lynx
Make it good again
???
surreal halo
Ducks are always in the water, right?
They come out to nest ^_^
subtle lynx
What?
toxic vigil
buff rune rage
subtle lynx
It is already one of the best silk skills
meager jolt
buff rune rage
Yes 🗣️ 🔥
surreal halo
Make it good again
You just gave up on your argument >_<
timid valve
Buff Quick Sling
meager jolt
They come out to nest ^_^
Ah oops right
surreal halo
buff rune rage
It would be nice if they spawned within a distance to enemies ^_^
timid valve
-# don't ask how
graceful oyster
slender juniper
It is already one of the best silk skills
Silk skills
1: sharpdart/stitch
2)thread storm
3)pale nails
4) silkspear
5)rune rage
subtle lynx
Idk what's the point of runerage when pale nails exist
They are the same tool but one is better
minor sparrow
Silk skills
1: sharpdart/stitch
2)thread storm
3)pale nails
4) silkspear
5)rune...
Thread storm so bad it's on there twice
tight viper
They are the same tool but one is better
What
meager jolt
Idk what's the point of runerage when pale nails exist
Lore ig
subtle lynx
Idk what's the niche rune rage has over pale nails
timid valve
Silk skills
1: sharpdart/stitch
2)thread storm
3)pale nails
4) silkspear
5)rune...
You understand me
toxic vigil
@slender juniper trying hunter karmelita
surreal halo
They are the same tool but one is better
Pale nails also has a better parry ^_^
tight viper
Pale Nails and Rune Rage are very different
slender juniper
Idk what's the point of runerage when pale nails exist
First sinner should have given you a new crest instead of that shit
subtle lynx
Pale Nails and Rune Rage are very different
How so
heavy arch
wait the 4th phase was so ez
surreal halo
Pale Nails and Rune Rage are very different
They are ^_^
harsh yarrow
Silk skills
1: sharpdart/stitch
2)thread storm
3)pale nails
4) silkspear
5)rune...
why is Silkspear that low?? it has some of the strongest utility out there
heavy arch
surreal halo
Nice ^_^
slender juniper
why is Silkspear that low?? it has some of the strongest utility out there
Because pale nails is a better silkspear and thread storm does more damage
subtle lynx
How are they similar?
They are both automatic skills except pale nails is literally better in every way
tight viper
Pale nails summons 3 projectiles that only hit one thing once per projectile
harsh yarrow
Because pale nails is a better silkspear and thread storm does more damage
if it hits the target, sure
but its also mostly single target damage
subtle lynx
Pale nails summons 3 projectiles that only hit one thing once per projectile
While rune rage summons double to miss like half of them?
toxic vigil
if it hits the target, sure
they literally have aimbot
minor sparrow
First sinner should have given you a new crest instead of that shit
Or they can just buff rune rage. I think her main gimmick is silk skills which shaman already does
tight viper
Because pale nails is a better silkspear and thread storm does more damage
Silk Spear is better than Pale Nails. Pale Nails can miss on its own, Silk Spear only misses if you do. It also has piercing
subtle lynx
While rune rage summons double to miss like half of them?
So in the end they are the same?
slender juniper
Silk Spear is better than Pale Nails. Pale Nails can miss on its own, Silk Spear...
Okay but can you use silkspear before boss screams?
tight viper
While rune rage summons double to miss like half of them?
It won’t miss half against large targets and gauntlets
heavy arch
is lost lace kinda like silksongs rad
harsh yarrow
Silk Spear I think is the best Silk Skill
timid valve
I don't understand the descriptions of how Rune Rage actually works 
tight viper
Okay but can you use silkspear before boss screams?
I’m sure you can if you time it right
minor sparrow
Okay but can you use silkspear before boss screams?
Depends on which boss I'm pretty sure
leaden delta
Silk Spear I think is the best Silk Skill
god I wish
subtle lynx
It won’t miss half against large targets and gauntlets
It will
slender juniper
I’m sure you can if you time it right
False
slender juniper
Pale nails gives you free boss scream hits
slender juniper
Pale nails gives you free boss scream hits
And 85% of the time they land
harsh yarrow
It has range, multi target hits, and it deals good damage
not to mention its the first spell you get
subtle lynx
You could argue that rune rage at least is obtained sooner than pale nails but is it really?
slender juniper
Name the bosses it misses against. Broodmother’s one of them
Lost lace
minor sparrow
I’m telling you from experience that it won’t miss half
I've only had like the bottom nail miss I think
slender juniper
Khan
timid valve
I’m telling you from experience that it won’t miss half
I may understand it vs Broodmother and 2nd Sent, since their arenas are small.
toxic vigil
pale nails are for downtime
tight viper
Lost lace
Bosses with delayed hitbox spawns, sure yeah it’ll miss
But there aren’t many
worldly lake
rune rage works against khan if you just fuckin time it
heavy arch
IM TRAPPED
worldly lake
in fact that's the case for most large bosses
subtle lynx
Rune rage is the only skill that has no reason to exist, not because it sucks, but because it is practically a more random version of another skill
worldly lake
(excepting savage beastfly and conchflie(s))
harsh yarrow
I think Rune Rage just needs to track more actively, and it'd be fine
subtle lynx
I think Rune Rage just needs to track more actively, and it'd be fine
That's just pale nails 2.0 still
harsh yarrow
And it looks cooler? Sign me the fuck up!
exotic dome
slender juniper
rune rage works against khan if you just fuckin time it
Rune rage sucks because the lag is so long and then it does medium damage when a boss is stunned it's better to swing and use other silk skills then rune rage
subtle lynx
I'd like it to have it's own niche
harsh yarrow
I'll probably do it for Silksoul
tight viper
Rune rage is the only skill that has no reason to exist, not because it sucks, b...
That’s just a false statement, just because both summon “weapons” doesn’t mean that they’re virtually identical
subtle lynx
Rune rage sucks because the lag is so long and then it does medium damage when a...
Do bosses in this game also take 1 DMG per hit while stunned
timid valve
uhh what's happening
subtle lynx
That’s just a false statement, just because both summon “weapons” doesn’t mean t...
Except they are virtually identical
slender juniper
Do bosses in this game also take 1 DMG per hit while stunned
No that was for THK
worldly lake
Rune rage sucks because the lag is so long and then it does medium damage when a...
all the problems with rune rage are extremely overexaggerated
subtle lynx
No that was for THK
Good, I doubt if I should use my skills while bosses are stunned constantly since idk if they'll just do 1 dmg
tight viper
Except they are virtually identical
They aren’t. That’s just objectively false.
minor sparrow
Do bosses in this game also take 1 DMG per hit while stunned
No that's just thk when it's doing its stabby phase
subtle lynx
No that's just thk when it's doing its stabby phase
I thought it was every boss?
slender juniper
No
opaque sigil
rune rage is fine people just forget the game isn't pure bossslop
worldly lake
you can use it when the boss is active and it hits more often than you think
minor sparrow
I thought it was every boss?
No, damage is only decreased to one when thk is stabbing itself
subtle lynx
Damn I've been living a lie this whole time
slender juniper
No that's just thk when it's doing its stabby phase
Bro started stabbing itself and the depression gave him protective aura
worldly lake
it's just a slower witch bind
just predict when the boss is gonna stop moving and drop a rune rage
timid valve
No, damage is only decreased to one when thk is stabbing itself
Defender's crest: suddenly has more DPS than a normal attack
worldly lake
you don't even need to get close to it
minor sparrow
Bro started stabbing itself and the depression gave him protective aura
My depression wants me to live bro wtf
subtle lynx
just predict when the boss is gonna stop moving and drop a rune rage
OR use the better pale nails that don't need to do all that and are always good because they never miss
slender juniper
just predict when the boss is gonna stop moving and drop a rune rage
Yes for 60 damage
Sharpdart does 73
opaque sigil
silksong fans when the skill that blows up half the screen doesn't do the most damage to a single target
toxic vigil
minor sparrow
Yes for 60 damage<:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
Honestly I wouldn't ind runerage just being a more consistent, weaker damage pale nails
subtle lynx
Also, pale nails always target the weakest or more annoying enemy or STH because they always hit the enemy I want
minor sparrow
Actually it's too slow for that
subtle lynx
Pale nails make coral tower a joke
slender juniper
Honestly I wouldn't ind runerage just being a more consistent, weaker damage pal...
They should reduce the charge time or buff the damage and then it'll be fine
minor sparrow
silksong fans when the skill that blows up half the screen doesn't do the most d...
If you're gonna make me float in the middle of the screen like a jackass, I'd hope you do good damage
worldly lake
OR use the better pale nails that don't need to do all that and are always good ...
right, the skill that you only unlock in act 3 and has barely a fraction of rune rage's aura
toxic vigil
38 seconds
tight viper
OR use the better pale nails that don't need to do all that and are always good ...
Pale nails can miss against enemies that disappear from the field
silver zenith
Hi! Can anyone tell me how to defeat Widow phase 2?
toxic vigil
@slender juniper karmelita with hunter attempt
tight viper
First Sinner, LL, etc.
toxic vigil
unfortunately due to rushing so much i get hit quite a bit
opaque sigil
If you're gonna make me float in the middle of the screen like a jackass, I'd ho...
and it does
slender juniper
The only time rune rage is useful is like with gauntlets
opaque sigil
killing a lot of enemies is its use case yes
subtle lynx
right, the skill that you only unlock in act 3 and has barely a fraction of rune...
You need to basically beat act 2 to get to first sinner and you can get pale nails pretty soon and earlier than rune rage even
worldly lake
The only time rune rage is useful is like with gauntlets
gauntlets, large bosses, bosses that summon minions
timid valve
avg guy using Karmelita/Grand Reeds as training dummies
slender juniper
Witch bind better
worldly lake
that's a lot actually
subtle lynx
Pale nails can miss against enemies that disappear from the field
Yeah because rune rage can hit those LOL
tight viper
You need to basically beat act 2 to get to first sinner and you can get pale nai...
You can get Rune Rage in act 1
pallid flare
silksong fans when the skill that blows up half the screen doesn't do the most d...
yeah but even if, it still suuuuuuuuuucksss
slender juniper
gauntlets, large bosses, bosses that summon minions
Only the first one the other times it's shite
subtle lynx
You can get Rune Rage in act 1
No? You need the putrified ducks key
tight viper
Yeah because rune rage can hit those LOL
I never said it could hit them. Rune Rage isn’t for them
tight viper
No? You need the putrified ducks key
You can get it in Act 1. I’ve done it, others have done it
still osprey
Hi! Can anyone tell me how to defeat Widow phase 2?
Be very careful of her telegraphs. After she attacks a bit she will always slash across the screen. That attack is the biggest threat during this phase, so pay close attention to her telegraph and jump over it
tight viper
Act 1 Mount Fay
harsh yarrow
silksong fans when the skill that blows up half the screen doesn't do the most d...
I still think its one of the visually coolest skills in the game
worldly lake
You need to basically beat act 2 to get to first sinner and you can get pale nai...
first sinner is very much beatable in mid act 2
subtle lynx
I never said it could hit them. Rune Rage isn’t for them
Well... This discussion was always about rune rage Vs pale nails so then it doesn't make sense to bring that up
worldly lake
it isn't even that hard
opaque sigil
I still think its one of the visually coolest skills in the game
the coolest
subtle lynx
first sinner is very much beatable in mid act 2
You need to get wings, go to memorium and then putrified ducts
subtle lynx
it isn't even that hard
It's not hard, you won't ever get it at an early act 2
tight viper
Well... This discussion was always about rune rage Vs pale nails so then it does...
I’m just saying that Pale Nails can miss in some situations. You said it can never miss. That’s a false statement
slender juniper
You need to get wings, go to memorium and then putrified ducts
Technically you could do grand reef skip
tight viper
You need to get wings, go to memorium and then putrified ducts
You don’t need Memorium, just Groal
Apostate Key is in the Huntress room
toxic vigil
You don’t need Memorium, just Groal
groal also needs wings
minor sparrow
groal also needs wings
Well.
tight viper
groal also needs wings
Yes, which is why Act 1 Mount Fay makes Rune Rage possible in Act 1
subtle lynx
You don’t need Memorium, just Groal
Oh yeah, cause that's easier lol
silver zenith
Be very careful of her telegraphs. After she attacks a bit she will always slash...
I can dodge that. The problem beggins with the bells bouncing up again, I just don't see them
tight viper
Oh yeah, cause that's easier lol
It’s not about easy, it’s about being possible
worldly lake
You need to get wings, go to memorium and then putrified ducts
and it balls against groal the great, grandmother silk, and broodmother
uneven tendon
Why do you hate nkg?
toxic vigil
Why do you hate nkg?
the fight sucks
worldly lake
and high halls gauntlet
uneven tendon
the fight sucks
A skill issue perhaps?
subtle lynx
and it balls against groal the great, grandmother silk, and broodmother
I never said you can get pale nails early, I'm saying you're realistically never getting rune rage early or mid act 2
uneven tendon
Imo, he's very fun
toxic vigil
A skill issue perhaps?
nope!
silver zenith
Imo, he's very fun
I think he's easy
uneven tendon
I think he's easy
Yeah
timid valve
Yes, which is why Act 1 Mount Fay makes Rune Rage possible in Act 1
And here's me who has gotten Act 3 via Act 1 by avoiding Act 2 entirely with NMG MG.
toxic vigil
And here's me who has gotten Act 3 via Act 1 by avoiding Act 2 entirely with ~~N...
master's glory
slender juniper
HORNET
Homophobic
Odulent
Racist
Necromantic
Eager
Transphobic
uneven tendon
Who will be at the end of p5 in ss so you think?
timid valve
Necromantic Hornet
pulsar oxide
Who will be at the end of p5 in ss so you think?
Found lace
tight viper
Who will be at the end of p5 in ss so you think?
V2
timid valve
Found lace
Newfoundla nd ce
worldly lake
I never said you can get pale nails early, I'm saying you're realistically never...
i'd argue you can get rune rage before most of the fun parts in act 2
pulsar oxide
Newfoundla ~~nd~~ ce
Lost and found lace
silver zenith
Who will be at the end of p5 in ss so you think?
Absolute Mother Silk
subtle lynx
i'd argue you can get rune rage before most of the fun parts in act 2
Again, this was never about possibilities, it's about what you're realistically gonna do
timid valve
I don't think V2 is in silksong
V2 = Voltvyrm 2?
worldly lake
Again, this was never about possibilities, it's about what you're realistically ...
and realistically, that's what i did
leaden delta
It better not be v2 her ass is dead
worldly lake
no one's gonna rush the story in a metroidvania
uneven tendon
It better not be v2 her ass is dead
Yeah
leaden delta
her ass is dead as fuck!
pulsar oxide
Absolute Mother Silk
Maybe a duel fight against gms and ll at the same time. I saw a video of a mod that does this, and it looks like it would be a really fun fight
subtle lynx
no one's gonna rush the story in a metroidvania
And no one's gonna rush double jump for groal or memorium for apostate key for slab, beat the slab and then do first sinner for rune rage
timid valve
Maybe a duel fight against gms and ll at the same time. I saw a video of a mod t...
Name: Lost and Chained
willow turtle
I hate the clover dancers fight
tight viper
And no one's gonna rush double jump for groal or memorium for apostate key for s...
You don’t have to rush it, it can be something you just do
worldly lake
And no one's gonna rush double jump for groal or memorium for apostate key for s...
it's not an unlikely scenario
you get a movement ability and explore
pulsar oxide
And no one's gonna rush double jump for groal or memorium for apostate key for s...
I just get the key for first sinner so I can fight her again (it's one of the best fights in the game)
subtle lynx
You don’t have to rush it, it can be something you just do
Yeah, and you're just doing it late act 2 which is my whole ass point
(And the other guy is actually talking about rushing it so yeah...)
pulsar oxide
I just get the key for first sinner so I can fight her again (it's one of the be...
Oh yeah and for the percentage point
toxic vigil
1st sinner fight is peak
willow turtle
I just get the key for first sinner so I can fight her again (it's one of the be...
I want a key for that
I wanna fight her again its so peak
worldly lake
Yeah, and you're just doing it late act 2 which is my whole ass point
(And the ...
nobody's talking about rushing it bruh
tight viper
Yeah, and you're just doing it late act 2 which is my whole ass point
(And the ...
No, you can do it in late act 2 just as easily as you can do it in early/mid act 2
subtle lynx
No, you *can* do it in late act 2 just as easily as you can do it in early/mid a...
I don't think anyone is doing what I just said early or mid act 2
worldly lake
is it that much of a stretch for someone to get a movement ability before the melodies
tight viper
And potasmium said that’s the route they took
willow turtle
I hate the clover dancers fight sm
tight viper
Not rushing, exploration
willow turtle
Verdania is pretty
tight viper
I don't think anyone is doing what I just said early or mid act 2
Then you think wrong
willow turtle
But i just hate the fight
normal bramble
I hate the clover dancers fight sm
It’s not even a hard fight…
pulsar oxide
I wanna fight her again its so peak
Oh I meant for each new save file that's why I get the key for first sinner. There isn't a key to fight her multiple times in one save file
worldly lake
and is it that much of a stretch for someone to get a movement ability and think "cool, i think i will use this to explore because this is a metroidvania game"
uneven tendon
It’s not even a hard fight…
Yeah
normal bramble
It’s just cogwork dancers b
subtle lynx
Then you think wrong
From my experience and what I've seen on other people's playthroughs, I'm right
tight viper
That’s like saying “no one would ever reach act 2 through the mist”
pulsar oxide
But i just hate the fight
The fight is fine, I just don't like the runback
normal bramble
Ya no Fratute has a point
subtle lynx
and is it that much of a stretch for someone to get a movement ability and think...
Yeah except you're basically drastically reducing everything you need to do lol
tight viper
From my experience and what I've seen on other people's playthroughs, I'm right
Well no shit you’re right from your own experience
timid valve
The Unravelled is the hardest boss in Silksong.
Change my mind.
tight viper
And how many other experiences have you watched
subtle lynx
Well no shit you’re right from your *own* experience
Me when I don't read
normal bramble
The Putrified ducts is generally one of the last areas you get to and otherwise you need double jump and killing groal
tight viper
Me when I don't read
Two separate replies
worldly lake
Yeah except you're basically drastically reducing everything you need to do lol
reducing what bro
uneven tendon
The Unravelled is the hardest boss in Silksong.
Change my mind.
Uhhhhh, gurr?
subtle lynx
The Putrified ducts is generally one of the last areas you get to and otherwise ...
But it's not even just the ducts, you also need to do the slab
normal bramble
Also that
uneven tendon
Gurr was so difficult
crude geyser
Chat, whats the pale kings role in pharloom if he had any
normal bramble
Albeit I feel like that’s more reasonable
worldly lake
The Putrified ducts is generally one of the last areas you get to and otherwise ...
"or"
normal bramble
Cause you can get caught in act 1
subtle lynx
reducing what bro
You're basically presenting as people get double jump explore and they find rune rage while not already being late act 2
worldly lake
just pull up to the memorium and see the breakable wall
normal bramble
And that makes you get the 2* keys
tight viper
And how many other experiences have you watched
@subtle lynx
subtle lynx
And that makes you get the 2* keys
No, only the first 2
willow turtle
I had so much fun with first sinner
I cant even beat clover dancers and im attempting to fight them now
uneven tendon
I like the hl2 reference in ducts
subtle lynx
And how many other experiences have you watched
Idk how many, but I'd say at least 10
worldly lake
You're basically presenting as people get double jump explore and they find rune...
is that too much of a stretch
willow turtle
Ive been killed for such stupid reasons during the fight
normal bramble
So it’s really just when do you get apostates and imo that’s generally much latter of a thing
uneven tendon
I like the hl2 reference in ducts
It's very cool
tight viper
Idk how many, but I'd say at least 10
10 is nothing compared to the total number of people who have played the game
willow turtle
Here’s the thing
willow turtle
I found groal pretty fun
normal bramble
Ok ok let’s put it this way
uneven tendon
Ive been killed for such stupid reasons during the fight
Take your time, don't be greedy, dodge
normal bramble
Rune rage no matter what is bad for being an act 2 exclusive
worldly lake
if i really wanted to go there i'd say get act 1 faydown cloak
exotic dome
I like the hl2 reference in ducts
normal bramble
It doesn’t even matter when In act 2 you get it
pulsar oxide
Also I'm changing my prediction for SoS release date to either May 28 or June 4. My initial prediction was the 29 or 5, bc those are Fridays, but Team Cherry seams much more inclined to release dlc on Thursdays, bc 3 of HK's dlc released on Thursday, not to mention silksong released Thursday. This may extend to their major game patches as well, but I haven't checked (yet)
tight viper
Rune rage no matter what is bad for being an act 2 exclusive
It’s definitely in need of a buff, true
uneven tendon
https://tenor.com/view/traitor-town-barnacle-traitor-town-gif-124272152313860779...
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normal bramble
For being a skill you can’t get in act 2 it’s worse then Cross stitch silk spear and Thread storm
exotic dome
rune rage should have better aim
normal bramble
It’s also worse then sharpdart but that’s also act 2 unless you do the skip
graceful oyster
10 is nothing compared to the total number of people who have played the game
While we can't get fact from this sample size it does lead to making much more informed conclusions about the game than if you just had your own experience
tight viper
You can get it in act 1 of course, but regardless it needs a buff
graceful oyster
10 other people is pretty good
subtle lynx
So you have a small sample size for asserting your claim as fact
Except I have reasons to believe what I said is a fact, and your guys argument is just downplaying how unreasonable it is to say someone will do all the steps to get rune rage and still not be late in act 2
willow turtle
First sinner is the type of boss i would fight over and over again if there’s a godhome-like dlc in silksong, just like how i am with grimm
uneven tendon
The threadstorm nerf was not needs
worldly lake
Except I have reasons to believe what I said is a fact, and your guys argument i...
ok
normal bramble
First sinner is the type of boss i would fight over and over again if there’s a ...
Me af but with Karmelita
worldly lake
define "late act 2"
uneven tendon
Me af but with Karmelita
Yeah
tight viper
While we can't get fact from this sample size it does lead to making much more i...
The thing is, someone in this chat just said their experience resulted in rune rage being acquired pretty early into act 2
normal bramble
Rune rage was my last unlock of act 2
subtle lynx
define "late act 2"
75% + act 2 explored
graceful oyster
The thing is, someone in this chat just said their experience resulted in rune r...
Okay?
normal bramble
Literally right before I went to fight gms and start act 3
uneven tendon
I got rune rage after I got third melody
tight viper
Okay?
So 10 people is not enough to account for everything, not even close. Fratute is acting like it is
worldly lake
75% + act 2 explored
i'll put it this way
what would be the last story boss the player would have beaten
pulsar oxide
The Unravelled is the hardest boss in Silksong.
Change my mind.
He's only difficult if you go there as soon as possible. The only real danger he presents if you get every other combat item before fighting him is the nerves when fighting him in steel soul bc his health bar is pretty big
modern obsidian
Hello 👋
graceful oyster
So 10 people is not enough to account for everything, not even close. Fratute is...
What is the statement trying to be made?
uneven tendon
exotic dome
First sinner is the type of boss i would fight over and over again if there’s a ...
same with karmelita for me
tight viper
Except I have reasons to believe what I said is a fact, and your guys argument i...
There are a ton of ways to play through the game and countless orders in which you can acquire things. Early act 2 rune rage is not unrealistic or unreasonable
uneven tendon
There are a ton of ways to play through the game and countless orders in which y...
Yeah
subtle lynx
i'll put it this way
what would be the last story boss the player would have bea...
It doesn't make sense to put it that way since it is a metroidvania, again, late game act 2 is 75% of the game beaten in my opinion, you could argue it is 66% so that it is divided in equally sized sections
pulsar oxide
As if someone who has 112% hk and 100% SK would ever have a wive
tight viper
What is the statement trying to be made?
Obtaining Rune Rage in early/mid Act 2 is unrealistic
uneven tendon
As if someone who has 112% hk and 100% SK would ever have a wive
Yeah
graceful oyster
It's not unreasonable or unrealistic but it is definitely unlikely
exotic dome
spogos are crazy man i'll try hitless next
uneven tendon
As if someone who has 112% hk and 100% SK would ever have a wive
But it's not me, it's bing bong
tight viper
Unlikely compared to the norm, sure definitely
subtle lynx
There are a ton of ways to play through the game and countless orders in which y...
We've already gone over this, I'm not repeating myself again
worldly lake
It doesn't make sense to put it that way since it is a metroidvania, again, late...
do silk skills (including rune rage) not count as a percent
subtle lynx
do silk skills (including rune rage) not count as a percent
Yes
graceful oyster
I can add like, 6 or so people to Fratute's sample size, everyone got Rage late
pulsar oxide
do silk skills (including rune rage) not count as a percent
They each count as a percentage point
uneven tendon
My favourite silk skill is pale nails
subtle lynx
I can add like, 6 or so people to Fratute's sample size, everyone got Rage late
I haven't even thought this, but finding the slab by itself is already hard to do if you haven't been csptured
uneven tendon
Rune rage is mid to late actually 2 imo
tight viper
Faydown cloak isn’t hard to get at all, doesn’t take much
subtle lynx
you have to get faydown cloak before
And much more stuff, which is what I've been saying
graceful oyster
I forget where the entrance is but yeah doesn't that require apostate if you're not captured?
tight viper
I haven't even thought this, but finding the slab by itself is already hard to d...
There’s a sign pointing to it
uneven tendon
I haven't even thought this, but finding the slab by itself is already hard to d...
Finding the slab is as simple as exploring
normal bramble
You need crawline for it
exotic dome
And much more stuff, which is what I've been saying
what was the other opinion i didnt read the discussion
subtle lynx
Faydown cloak isn’t hard to get at all, doesn’t take much
If you don't know what you're doing it, it is
normal bramble
Which means you need to either go through white ward or you’ve beaten trobbio
subtle lynx
There’s a sign pointing to it
Yeah in the room before it? That isn't even a good sign it tells you nothing
normal bramble
Either way you’re basically approaching the mid way point of act 2 at that point
tight viper
Yeah in the room before it? That isn't even a good sign it tells you nothing
It’s the same kinda sign that marked the Marrow jail
worldly lake
And much more stuff, which is what I've been saying
"much more stuff" is it too much of a stretch to say that someone starts exploring when they get a new movement ability
minor sparrow
If you don't know what you're doing it, it is
Eh
pulsar oxide
Faydown cloak isn’t hard to get at all, doesn’t take much
None of the platforming in SK is hard. I can't wait until SK's version of PoP
normal bramble
None of the platforming in SK is hard. I can't wait until SK's version of PoP
Same
tight viper
So it signifies to an uncaptured player “oh hey there’s a jail here”
normal bramble
Nameless town climb was such a disappointment
uneven tendon
Nameless town climb was such a disappointment
Yeah
pulsar oxide
Nameless town climb was such a disappointment
Fr
uneven tendon
You get memento and journal and Mr mushroom 
willow turtle
I swear when i kill the clover dancers i will have no shame, I WILL BE SO HAPPY
silver zenith
Guys, I think I glitched the game...
pulsar oxide
Same
One of the reasons I'm so excited for the dlc is bc they're actually going to add real challenges to the game. The base game is too easy
normal bramble
Welp time to get witch crest on my 100% speedrun save
Finally gonna be able to go back to it
pulsar oxide
Welp time to get witch crest on my 100% speedrun save
Get cursed ending in steel soul. It gives a new menu background trust trust fr fr
normal bramble
Honestly I can no hit gms
silver zenith
Guys, I think I glitched the game...
Like the Widow isn't spawning but the music is playing
normal bramble
Albeit that would require me beating a steel soul run up to that point
pulsar oxide
Honestly I can no hit gms
The nerves sure as hell will make sure you cant
normal bramble
Which I have Not done
subtle lynx
"much more stuff" is it too much of a stretch to say that someone starts explori...
Okay so let me write down all the steps for someone to find rune rage after getting into act 2:
Find whiteward key
Explore whiteward
Explore underworks
Find clawline
Get captured/go through the random hall in choral chambers that happens to lead to the slab
Go to mount fay
Get wings
Go to memorium and find the secret entrance to putrified ducts (1 hidden passage + 1 hidden wall) or do groal in an area most people will leave for late game naturally
Find the key in ducts
Go back to the slab and explore it if you haven't done so
Find first sinner which is a hidden boss btw
Beat it
You're telling me someone who's never played the game and doesn't know where anything is, is gonna do all of this early to mid act 2? And someone experienced is gonna prefer to do all this stuff to get rune rage while they could be getting much better upgrades?
normal bramble
Okay so let me write down all the steps for someone to find rune rage after gett...
I feel like a lot of people get captured by accident in act 1
There’s a guy to capture you right outside of the greymoor bellway
There’s also one in a very obvious wall climb spot
subtle lynx
I feel like a lot of people get captured by accident in act 1
I feel so too
tight viper
Okay so let me write down all the steps for someone to find rune rage after gett...
It isn’t a random hallway, it’s a sign that’s on the path to the Choral Chambers Ventrica, there’s an incentive to reach that hallway and a reason to explore it because of the sign
normal bramble
This can also be simplified because you find the underworks right after you beat trobbio
willow turtle
Okay so let me write down all the steps for someone to find rune rage after gett...
Good thing i did it in act 3
timid valve
I feel like a lot of people get captured by accident in act 1
Such a tragedy for those who don't 
normal bramble
And once you beat trobbio you basically gotta go get crawline
subtle lynx
It isn’t a random hallway, it’s a sign that’s on the path to the Choral Chambers...
Yeah, that's if you even decided to explore left side choral chambers where there is no incentive to do so since none of the main story elements are there
tight viper
Okay so let me write down all the steps for someone to find rune rage after gett...
Groal may not be done late game, stubborn players and tool spam enjoyers exist
pulsar oxide
Honestly I can no hit gms
I survived cursed ending in steel soul with one mask left. I later went on to die at lost garmond bc I forgot literally all of his attack patterns. I have not tried steel soul since then
normal bramble
Such a tragedy for those who don't <:rootcry:614994254363885568>
I also didn’t get captured… I killed all the jailers lmfao
subtle lynx
Good thing i did it in act 3
This guy did it in act 3👆
timid valve
I also didn’t get captured… I killed all the jailers lmfao
I did*
It's called "Silk Issue"
normal bramble
Oh lmfao
willow turtle
I got captured in act 1 and it was wonderful
subtle lynx
This guy did it in act 3👆
Does another experience count btw?
tight viper
Yeah, that's if you even decided to explore left side choral chambers where ther...
The Grand Gate entrance takes you past the Ventrica, any remotely curious player would want to find a way to reach the Ventrica
normal bramble
The Grand Gate entrance takes you past the Ventrica, any remotely curious player...
I didn’t find that ventrica till halfway into act 2
subtle lynx
We've counted 17 experiences btw rn
subtle lynx
I didn’t find that ventrica till halfway into act 2
I didn't find it until late act 2 cause I never needed it
normal bramble
Also I’m telling you rn after you drop into under works
The only thing you want is a bench that doesn’t disappear and a bellway
😭
tight viper
Does another experience count btw?
The sheer amount of people who have played this game means that there are players, such as potasium, who have gotten Rune Rage fairly early
subtle lynx
Hey @normal bramble did you find rune rage early or late act 2?
normal bramble
Right before starting act 3
subtle lynx
Oh, 18