sk-discussion

[normal bramble]

Skarr singer Karmelita or clover dancers

[leaden delta]

just do it

[exotic dome]

why would you wanna do that

[fervent wharf]

mine is the last dive

[broken seal]

💔

[night bobcat]

Ps4

[orchid spruce]

well if you're desperate for the achievement

[night bobcat]

Why the skull emoji

People play hks on ps4 its like, VERY normal

[graceful oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146538723673129042/1337268778899341362/ssstwitter.com_1738819943971_1.gif

[exotic dome]

time to explore then

[heavy arch]

isnt that the only path to get the bilewater map? i dont have double jump 😭

[orchid spruce]

you kinda need dj for bilewater

[exotic dome]

you have to get double jump for the map

[heavy arch]

bruh

someone told me to go explore bilewater

[night bobcat]

Dj? Whos playing the music?

[fathom iris]

go to mount fay, left of the slab if you want to get the double jump

[heavy arch]

double jump 😭

[heavy arch]

top of mount fay ik but ty

[normal bramble]

Right of half way home

[heavy arch]

nvm ik where it is mb

[fervent wharf]

bro its the place where you float up to greymoor

holy peak

[earnest drift]

lost lace

[fervent wharf]

you narrsasitic piece of dreg

[orchid spruce]

lost lace is easily the best track in silksong

[light swan]

bilewater:

[orchid spruce]

dwarf

[graceful oyster]

I agree with the sentiment.
-# Only good thing to come out of that fight.

[fervent wharf]

youi mean the last dive

[orchid spruce]

that fight is carried by the ost 😂

[graceful oyster]

Last Dive is fine but it feels out of touch

Almost like the entirety of Act 3 feels out of touch

[orchid spruce]

Act 3 is just so ass

[earnest drift]

the ending is peak though

[orchid spruce]

At least there's Karmelita, though they just had to throw in a gauntlet before her, for unspeakable reasons

[light swan]

crust king khann
strive
cogwork core

[graceful oyster]

Meh

[fervent wharf]

do you mean the last dive soundtrack

[graceful oyster]

I had a straight face the entire time

[earnest drift]

radiance didn’t even have a good ost to make up for the rest of her fight

[graceful oyster]

I like Radiance's ost

[orchid spruce]

Team Cherry loves vision-hindering final bosses for some reason

Radiance then Lost Lace

[earnest drift]

radiance’s mixing sounds so flat

[graceful oyster]

But Larkin had an issue in some of those early soundtracks where his choir ones sound like he's pushing choir keyboard keys

And Radiance is subject to that

[earnest drift]

isn’t that exactly what it was

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[earnest drift]

hk’s music is completely synthesised

silksong uses real instruments

[graceful oyster]

As a result though HK's tracks are more feely and iconic

[earnest drift]

way more listenable on repeat

[graceful oyster]

Skong's are just compositionally substantially better

[earnest drift]

wtf is feely

[fervent wharf]

stop ghosting me answer my question

[light swan]

huh

[earnest drift]

that’s a gross description of an ost

[graceful oyster]

Feel free to correct me I'm busy rn and not 100% invested in this convo

You know what I mean

Fill in the blanks

[earnest drift]

No I don’t

[orchid spruce]

[light swan]

i dont see how synthesizing makes smth more iconic

[orchid spruce]

||I ran out of locked doors to solve... I have to go to every area to try to find some fucking secret tunnel or something now|| mio spoiler

i'm breaking

[fervent wharf]

so do you mean the bossfight track for lost lace or the last dive ost

[earnest drift]

nostalgiaslop

[orchid spruce]

the bossfight

[fervent wharf]

no the last dive is better

[earnest drift]

poor quality = better
that’s the main sentiment I get from hk glazers

[orchid spruce]

ok

[earnest drift]

I get the same thing from people who say undertale is better than deltarune

[fervent wharf]

you would't exist without hk

[graceful oyster]

Greenpath Vs. Moss Grotto, if you put someone who played both games an equal amount into a polling box and ask them to tick which one they know better, everyone's picking Greenpath
It's just more poppy and catchy and whatnot

[light swan]

and how is that because its synthesized?

[fathom iris]

i see where ur coming from but people can also prefer it for lesser difficulty (compared to silksong) and theres a lot of people who prefer the overall lore a lot more

[graceful oyster]

Because it's harder to get that with real instruments in a way that sounds the same/as good

[ancient mortar]

Hard to really compare them when dts story isnt finished. Ut is a complete experience and narrative. Hard to judge deltarune when its not done yet. I suspect I WILL think dt is better when its done tho. I do think dt has vastly improved combat and art but its hard to judge the narrative when its not done yet.

[fathom iris]

i prefer deltarune but people usually prefer undertale cus it has a full story and ending as of now

[sharp slate]

In casual playthroughs I noticed hks music a lot more than silksong, its not just because nostalgia

[earnest drift]

people only say the lore is better because it’s the most subjective point they can defend

[fathom iris]

?????? music is subjective

[earnest drift]

objectively hollow knight and silksong’s lore are of similar quality

[graceful oyster]

Of all the valid responses to this point that is not one of them

[earnest drift]

no not really

[sharp slate]

Economy is better (besides unbreakables)

[earnest drift]

silksong’s ost is objectively better

[sharp slate]

Yes it is lol

[graceful oyster]

Music can be objective, personal preference of it is always subjective

[orchid spruce]

Opposite for me tbh, I don't remember any from HK, except maybe Sealed Vessel or NKG. But that seems to because I prefer OSTs with a memorable melody and "clean" (fewer instruments?) sounds, if that makes sense.

[ancient mortar]

Both games have good music but they don't even brush my top 10 game osts

[light swan]

ok thats valid, theres more precision and control which real instruments cant reach?

[orchid spruce]

I left Silksong, remembering quite many tracks though by now, not really

[graceful oyster]

The more I listen to stuff the lower they get

[light swan]

silksong is probably top 6 or top 7

cant tell if i like afterimage music more than silksong

[ancient mortar]

Outer wilds probably got into my top 10. but probably not my top five

Also everhood is in my top 5 osts

[earnest drift]

using real recordings of instruments with properly utilised human error and expression and better mixing is objectively better than completely synthesised music

[vivid belfry]

can you like something else slightly more or less

[fathom iris]

my bad my bad, i just meant everyone has their own music taste nd people can prefer the sounds of moss grotto over greenpath

[orchid spruce]

insane afterimage glaze

why is its recent only Mostly Positive on Steam

[graceful oyster]

RW soundtrack is SO unbelievably good in such a different sort of way, it might be my no. 1

[earnest drift]

6000 geo for a fully upgraded nails sure is reasonable

[graceful oyster]

Rain World

[vivid belfry]

there are many games that get mogged by tinnitus dance alone

[sharp slate]

This is an opinion not a fact

[fathom iris]

wb music taste tho, some poeple can like metal and other like pop or blues or smth, its all about what YOU think

[earnest drift]

how often do you compose music

[sharp slate]

Money is MUCH more available in hk

6000 geo in hk is like 500 in skong

[earnest drift]

pumping everything up into the thousands to “balance” that is ridiculous

[orchid spruce]

I never had to grind for geo

[fathom iris]

isnt everhood 2 buns or smth

[vivid belfry]

silksong's economy is really tightly balanced whereas HK is kinda all over the place imo

[orchid spruce]

I have spent about an hour to grind for currency in Silksong

[sharp slate]

This sint even s hood arguement you could ssy thst mask shards should have cost 1 geo and balance around that which is dumb

[fathom iris]

silksongs is more consistent but a bit too expensive

[orchid spruce]

which is bad design, imo

[earnest drift]

I only wish that Pharloom went into hyperinflation during act 3 to reflect the apocalypse

[ancient mortar]

im talking about the first one

[sharp slate]

You could argue silksongs economy is bumped up as well

[graceful oyster]

WHY DO HOPPERS DROP 16 GEO
They have no reason to be packing that much cash!!!

[ancient mortar]

Even the chill tracks are amazing. I love the desert tracks

[earnest drift]

me looking for a single item that costs more than 1500

[vivid belfry]

if you are the average person, everhood 2 is a decent sequel with a great soundtrack and a bad story, if you're me, everhood 2 is marginally better than the original because I fucking love unconventional storytelling

[light swan]

can i say geometry dash muysic is at #1 maybe

[sharp slate]

Rosaries are much more rare

[fathom iris]

i know i know, i was js asking cus i might get the 2 gamse, or should i just get the first

[sharp slate]

Fuck even wishes dont pay for fucking donation wuests

[earnest drift]

have you made it to the citadel yet

[graceful oyster]

Fire in the hole

[fathom iris]

🥹

[vivid belfry]

I'm trying to get you to fudge your list so silksong isn't 6 or 7

[normal bramble]

Oh my god how am I so bad at silksong today

[ancient mortar]

I recently had some amount of vindication about everhood 2 when the developer revealed the antagonist was just a self insert of himself that he put in because he couldn't think of a satisfying ending.

[vivid belfry]

I don't care which direction it moves

[normal bramble]

Maybe it’s the game telling me to take today off

[sharp slate]

Grinding for rosaries makes it okay to be bad lol

[steep jolt]

silksongs economy is corrupt

[normal bramble]

Because I am actually just not playing well at all

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/fourth-chorus-silksong-hollow-knight-boss-hornet-gif-13663543939265240984

[fathom iris]

bro .. . . .. . . ..

now i cant unsee ittt

[earnest drift]

like hk didn’t have grinding

[steep jolt]

press start got me 🥹

[sharp slate]

For optional shit

[fiery burrow]

Team Cherry realizing they almost forgot to put the 15 second phase transition where you can't hit the final boss at all so they gotta whip up some random void sawblade waves

[steep jolt]

rosaries are optional

[orchid spruce]

Okay, memories came back, I remember grinding for geo now

[sharp slate]

For 100% skong you NEED to grind

[orchid spruce]

It was a while ago so

[spark anchor]

In orbit

[sharp slate]

I gotta go back to work bbl

[fathom iris]

tbh i didnt have to grind i hollow knight, i had way too much geo at endgame

[earnest drift]

the hot tub is also optional

[steep jolt]

oh yes because you dont have to pay like 25k geo for 3 charms

[normal bramble]

Honestly I had more then enough rosaries to buy out the shops without grinding

[spark anchor]

A reddit post mentioned fourth chorus doing the six sevennnn and i can’t unsee it

[vivid belfry]

ehhhhhh you get fucktons of bonus cash in act 3 so in my experience you might need like... a couple deliveries

[normal bramble]

Now I definitely had to grind for shards though

[vivid belfry]

I don't grind because I don't like it

[steep jolt]

hes dancing shush

[normal bramble]

The entire shard system is so lame

[ancient mortar]

Anyway if you guys want the best bossfights and boss music in games play everhood (

[fathom iris]

freom where ???

[fathom iris]

alright

[normal bramble]

I feel like the only place where it even makes sense is architect reload but for everywhere else it’s just annoying

[orchid spruce]

Such a bad core mechanic

[ancient mortar]

I need to nohit the everhood bosses again

That game makes nohitting fights actually fun as it removes the most annoying parts like boss runbacks

[fiery burrow]

I don't feel the need to grind all that much in Silksong and especially not in HK where bosses like MMC hand out geo like candy

[fathom iris]

team cherry should completely axe it or made it so you repair like 30% of your tools for free when sitting on a bench or respawning

[earnest drift]

using massive moss charger to defend anything is a recipe for failure

[light swan]

godhome has the worst runback

[fiery burrow]

MMC isn't a good boss

[orchid spruce]

what is MMC?

[fiery burrow]

I'm just pointing out that HK gives out a ton of geo

[light swan]

massive mom chager

[fathom iris]

skong is better than hollow knight cus they made massive moss charger good 🤑

[ancient mortar]

Everhood is the first game i've played that has a built in boss refight menu from the start

[orchid spruce]

oh yeah, that's a "boss"

[earnest drift]

wdym it’s great
contact damage is a great mechanic and I love bosses that utilise it to the maximum

[exotic dome]

some bosses should've given rosary rewardsssss

[fathom iris]

you think you rich af untill the grimm troupe arrives

[fiery burrow]

I do like contact damage

Oh I never grab unbreakables tbh

[ancient mortar]

Silksong definitely has the best bosses in any metroidvania i've played so far

[vivid belfry]

mostly far fields

[fathom iris]

bell beast is a better, more refined mcc

[light swan]

contact damage !!

[ancient mortar]

And best basic enemies and combat

silksongs exploration is great but i do think mio surpasses it in that aspect.

[spark anchor]

Silksong compensates for all enemies not dropping geo by having cheaper items but also spreading out fees like benches

[earnest drift]

currency being everywhere and it being balanced by making prices unreachable is a meaningless system

[fiery burrow]

something something mio

[vivid belfry]

easy victory in terms of number, I think nine sols is more consistent but it only has 9

[fathom iris]

Silksong definitely has the best in any Silksong so game

[orchid spruce]

Contact damage is so ass, I've only felt hatred towards it since I've played something without contact damage for once

[vale whale]

i felt like they wanted the game to be excessively punishing so they didnt make bosses drop rosaries

[fiery burrow]

Silksong and HK bosses are good though

[vale whale]

ignore xingtians, kanghui and goumang

[fiery burrow]

AbsRad would be my favorite mv boss in terms of raw replayability

[orchid spruce]

casual spoilers

[earnest drift]

name 20 good bosses

[exotic dome]

i'm okay with contact dmg as long as it's 1 mask

[fiery burrow]

Nah

[fathom iris]

bosses jumping in hollow knight was really annoying for contact damage but they almost completely stopped that in silksong

[light swan]

im ok with contact damage as long as the game is built around it

[earnest drift]

yeah I saw a lot of people comment on that

[leaden delta]

Yea

[earnest drift]

unfortunately it means we won’t get peak bosses like massive loss charger and marmu

[fathom iris]

2 mask contact damage for void enemies pissed me off, losing silk as well was the cherry on top

[ancient mortar]

Pinstress has hk level annoying repositions

[light swan]

i feel like most times i get hit by contact damage it doesnt feel my fault

[steep jolt]

lace fourth chorus moorwing widow sister splinter phantom lace 2 lost lace pinstress second sentinel gms cogwork dancers gay princes uh im too lazy to type out more

[earnest drift]

true

[exotic dome]

i have 10 bosses that are S tier in my silksong boss tier list. it's a great number. (i have 10 for e and below too though)

[leaden delta]

I like the no contact stuff tho. Absrad not having contact damage (for obvious good reasons) is so so so fucking good for combat

[orchid spruce]

Like, just grab MIO or Nine Sols if you want boses

[ancient mortar]

I enjoy most bosses in silksong

[earnest drift]

also if anyone disagrees with any of the bosses listed they don’t count

[fathom iris]

is that one boss

[earnest drift]

I have great nailsage sly in S tier is that a mistake

[ancient mortar]

hes cool

[leaden delta]

[exotic dome]

mio bosses are incredible too, but i like the silksong combat more so i enjoy more when fighting with karmelita, lost lace etc.

[leaden delta]

I disagree with a lot

[vale whale]

false knight broken vessel massive moss moss mother moss mothers moss mother zango palestag clover dancers lost lace watcher knights soul warrior vengefly king marmu markoth p5 pinstress god tamer uumuu sheo and flukemarm

[light swan]

this is how i feel aboiut nine sols

[fathom iris]

i only really hated broodmother and groal

[light swan]

nine sols has incredible bosses but i dont like the combat system therefore i dont enjoy fighting those bosses

[ancient mortar]

Mio bosses are good but they fall behind silksong imo. I've encountered 3ish bosses so far that i've enjoyed a lot and 1 i was truly impressed by

[earnest drift]

how it feels to enjoy both of these

[orchid spruce]

Karmelita is the only great boss in Silksong, would've been S tier if not the absolutely stupid gauntlet. I can kill them, no problem, but why do they have to exist?

[light swan]

for me i like mio bosses more AND i like mio combat more :D but in general mio combat i like much more than silksong (only a little more than witch crest)

[leaden delta]

There’s some good bosses

[steep jolt]

sly is a really good boss fight my only problem with him is that hes stupidly hard, imo hes harder than pure vessel, which makes it weird because my top 3 becomes nkg asb rad and a lil merchant

[exotic dome]

i just started nine sols today, it looks good

[leaden delta]

yea this is how I feel in terms of bosses I think? monstahler is the only real standout to me

[light swan]

did you not enjoy the others?

[exotic dome]

opinion is an opinion. i enjoyed most of the boss fights in silksong

[orchid spruce]

also, fellow slay the princess fan!!!

[fathom iris]

yeah i found them all to be really reallllly fun

[earnest drift]

sly’s final phase shows that nail arts are useless and spamming nail attacks is better
because that’s what he does in the final phase

[leaden delta]

That game is life changing medias

[orchid spruce]

so true

[normal bramble]

One of the like best games ever

[earnest drift]

I made a tierlist of silksong bosses but I left out all the bosses that get complaints I’ll try to find it

[vivid belfry]

hey speaking of which SAEKO is on sale again 👀

[exotic dome]

truly impressive mio bosses for me are ||ati, shii and s&v. honorable mentions: anra and nabuu||

[leaden delta]

im BROKE

[vale whale]

hot take: the choir clappers should have been a choir clapper and a grand reed and when you kill one the other absorbs it and gets its powers

[orchid spruce]

my #3 favourite game of all times, it's just so competently written

[light swan]

goated also FINAL BOSS SPOILERS

[ancient mortar]

I thought they were fine for the most part. But i don't find them as interesting or challenging as silksong. the platforming and exploration is what i found truly exemplary about mio.

[leaden delta]

also I just bought UNBEATABLE

[fiery burrow]

Yeah agree

[leaden delta]

which is life chabging medias I have heard

[vale whale]

and when youre fighting them garmond throws lightning bolts

[fiery burrow]

||Debbie|| is good too

[orchid spruce]

welp

[orchid spruce]

i have made an insurmountable mistake

which is my fault

[fathom iris]

ABYSMAL TIERLIST!!!!

[light swan]

bruh

oh my fucking god

[leaden delta]

why is there first sinner top 1 on my screen

[earnest drift]

which bosses should be removed

[subtle lynx]

Cause it is the best boss

[vale whale]

THE FIRST SINNER GLAZE IS OVER????

[fathom iris]

all of them silksong is mid

[vale whale]

OH MY GOD YES OH MY GOD YES OH MY GOD YES

HOLY SHIT I HATED THE FIRST SINNER GLAZE

[normal bramble]

Widow in A…? (contributing to removing every single boss)

[vale whale]

FUCKING CLAWLINESLOP FIGHT HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[leaden delta]

no not quite. but people are noticing it’s nkg 2

[heavy arch]

bro i accidentally hit mottled skarr and he disappeared

[exotic dome]

i liked this fight specifically because shairpin was less useful than normal

[vale whale]

OH MY GOD WOOHOO

[orchid spruce]

i know this is bait but i lowkey agree that most silksong bosses are like mid

[fiery burrow]

Widow is S tier

[heavy arch]

what to do

[steep jolt]

i think first sinner could use a bit more glaze

[twilit lichen]

God i hate grand reeds

[normal bramble]

People used Clawline for that fight?

[earnest drift]

I also had a tierlist of hollow knight bosses but I removed all the ones that get complaints

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-digital-circus-the-amazing-digital-circus-amazing-digital-circus-evil-pomni-gif-16401393896731792519

[normal bramble]

I just first tried it

[twilit lichen]

They made me lose 500 rosaries

[fiery burrow]

I found shairpin very late ngl

[fathom echo]

Us after episode 8

[earnest drift]

pure vessel in S tier and troupe master grimm in A tier

[exotic dome]

all 5 are s tier tbh

[leaden delta]

clawline! Dash attack! Clawline! Clawline! Dash attack! Dash! kill me

[light swan]

do you think they fall behind only compared to silksong's best lategame bosses? or like, compared to the average boss like bell beast or conchflies or moorwing or cogwork dancers or trobbio

[fiery burrow]

I liked how ||Debbie could break the arena||

[normal bramble]

Fun fact you can completely cut out the Clawline and nothing changes

You just dash in and out

[light swan]

cant believe you sepnt like 2 weeks on that fight

[vale whale]

first sinner glaze in 2026

[heavy arch]

oh nvm

[heady iron]

first sinner should be harder

[light swan]

why do people hate first sinner and like shakra

[earnest drift]

at least first sinner is better than pure vessel

[normal bramble]

I personally like first sinner but

[heady iron]

someone should make a mod for that

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/james-sunderland-silent-hill-2-video-tape-tired-gif-4957921194616308317

[fiery burrow]

Silksong has some highs that beat out Mio but I think Mio is very consistently great with like 1 mid boss and 4 of them can rival like First Sinner or Karmelita imo

[earnest drift]

I like both

[vale whale]

bro likes first sinner

[exotic dome]

funny how first sinner is considered overrated now

[fiery burrow]

shhh

I still think FS is pretty great

[vale whale]

THANK GOD?? i have always hated first sinner

i was the og first sinner hater i was the first sinner

[normal bramble]

I don’t hate first sinner, I just didn’t find her remarkable. Solid like high b tier or low A . Sharka fight wasn’t insane persay however it’s Shakra though so

[ancient mortar]

compared to just general silksong bosses. Lace 1, moorwing, sister splinter, widow, last judge, and so on

[orchid spruce]

What bosses are the height of SIlksong, even, I can only think of Karmelita, possibly Sinner

[subtle lynx]

That's because since first sinner is widely considered the best boss and therefore it's popular, it's now cool to act like it isn't

[vale whale]

hell even moorwing was coolee and had more aura then first sinner

[hardy tangle]

fs is too short

[normal bramble]

Ok now this is just saying stuff

[light swan]

bruh 😭 that ultra surprises me

[earnest drift]

moorwing is good I agree

[fiery burrow]

I also enjoyed the final boss a lot more than LLace (to the point of attempting hitless the same day I beat it)

[subtle lynx]

Those 2 really

[vale whale]

i would rather fight some fucking mite demon with the goat in dark souls fashion then fucking FIRST SINNER

[steep jolt]

groal

[exotic dome]

lmao

[leaden delta]

it’s the same thing as nkg

[hardy tangle]

did you use the dash mechanic

[leaden delta]

that’s why

[heady iron]

if none of the bosses come even close to sword saint isshin why even bother with the game :yawn:

[steep jolt]

i think ur just describing ass jim

[leaden delta]

Hi bug12

[vale whale]

it's just nkg but bad

[earnest drift]

is nkg considered overrated too

[devout oak]

sinner

[vale whale]

no nkg is cool

[fiery burrow]

NKG is well liked I think

[leaden delta]

like

[subtle lynx]

By attention seekers yeah

[orchid spruce]

it's the inner ||eigong|| guy

[ancient mortar]

Its in part that the bosses just don't really require you to learn their attacks. And mios combat system just gives you so many iframe options that you don't really have to think about positioning.

[leaden delta]

I meant gameplay wise. it’s just kinda

[exotic dome]

nkg is peak

[leaden delta]

the same shit always

[earnest drift]

teleport slop and no change in attacks

[fiery burrow]

First Sinner is way better though because it doesn't become unhittable projectile spam every 10 seconds

[vale whale]

YOU MADE INNER EIGONG

[hardy tangle]

nkg is good but i dont like how its the same difficulty for the entire thing

[leaden delta]

that’s why im comparing sinner to nkg

[earnest drift]

nkg doesn’t seem that different from first sinner

[heavy arch]

real

[vale whale]

faster and you can do cool pogo tricks

[exotic dome]

nkg has more aura

[fiery burrow]

Yeah dodge sucks big time

[devout oak]

nkg is better than sinner tbh but the two games play different so its preference

[unkempt steeple]

I never beat nkg or normal grimm without cheese

[vale whale]

also nkg is way cooler then first sinner

[subtle lynx]

First sinner doesn't have a boring lame attack though

[steep jolt]

music is up there with enter pharloom and cogwork core

[fiery burrow]

Without dodge I think energy management and positioning are a lot more important

[heady iron]

is it because nkg is male and first sinner is female? ummm problematic much?

[hardy tangle]

who is the first sinner that you fought br

[leaden delta]

nkg is absolutely overrated to hell by the community though. but that’s a matter of most people not killing nkg more than 3 times

[earnest drift]

tf is a cool pogo trick how many ways can you downslash

[vale whale]

it's kind of weird that literally no boss after moorwing has as much atmosphere as it (no ragebait i swear)

[ancient mortar]

Like in silksong i had to learn a specific method to dodge each attack, in mio its pretty samey for every move and boss how to avoid it

[fathom iris]

it might not be a great time to say this but i loved the mechanic where first sinner would heal and you had to stop her

[vale whale]

yeah thats what it is

[subtle lynx]

FACTS AND LOGIC

[spark anchor]

After moorwing can also mean act 2 or 3

[earnest drift]

that’s lame

[ancient mortar]

i still like mio combat and there are so standout bosses. but as i've said what i've like about mio (and what i think it outdoes silksong in by miles) is exploration and platforming.

[subtle lynx]

Moorwing has such aura

[steep jolt]

omg i remember me from like 5 months ago struggling on moorwing and going back to him from halfway home and the vibes were just so firee

[vale whale]

like moorwing has garmond and zaza, the awesome rain and it's so cool

[light swan]

i found it the COMPLETE opposite man wtf

[fiery burrow]

How far are you in the game bodyweightbuilder

[subtle lynx]

And the top tier song

[earnest drift]

ok so nightmare king Grimm and first sinner aren’t good bosses
so the total of good bosses in both games are 5 I think

[steep jolt]

wait that actually healed her???? i thought it was just a funny animation lol

[exotic dome]

moorwing is the new player skill issue point i like it

[light swan]

especially because you cant heal

[subtle lynx]

And a bigass arena

[devout oak]

moorwing does have something interesting about it

[steep jolt]

nkg < grimm

[leaden delta]

well silksong sucks anyways go play unbeatable

[vale whale]

youre figjting a huge winged mega mite slayer of pilgrims with this cool knight and his friend

[earnest drift]

yeah exactly

[light swan]

hasnt met the top 2 bosses yet i think

[steep jolt]

its called deltarune

[vale whale]

and there's rain

[heady iron]

if only team cherry didn't nerf moorwing to satisfy the larpers in the community

[orchid spruce]

don't worry, illusion, there's a fellow MIO boss glazer here

[hardy tangle]

cut through is the best song used on more than 2 bosses

[light swan]

no im just really surprised

[fathom iris]

im pretty sure, she does like the same animation as hornet with the same sfx and you can stop her so im guessing it actually gives her health back

[steep jolt]

nkg has w vibes but is a bit too hard for me

[devout oak]

grimm is nothing more than a soul battery in the middle of p3

[vale whale]

rain always makes fights good

[light swan]

silksong is the game that allows you to bullshit bosses the most

[earnest drift]

silksong good bosses: lace 2, second sentinel, cogwork dancers, widow
hollow knight good bosses: pure vessel

[light swan]

it gives you options but you gotta know how to use those options

especially since making mistakes is so punishing

[fiery burrow]

It doesn't do a great job of getting you to use tools tbf

[steep jolt]

grimm is basically nkg without annoying trails and 1 buns attack, i personally find him more enjoyable

[light swan]

im up for mio criticism but that take is just utter bullshit

[hardy tangle]

karmelita is the best boss in silksong

[heady iron]

I think it's time for this community to begin accepting that ascended markoth is actually a well designed boss

[hardy tangle]

i think most people think that right

[earnest drift]

untelegraphed backstep stops her from being in the list of good bosses

[fathom iris]

widow is mid because widow its a copy of first sinner which is mid because its a copy of nkg which is mid cus projectileslop so get them OFF THE LIST

[devout oak]

wdym the annoying trails, they are as predictable as the attack itself

[fiery burrow]

markoth clip GO

[vale whale]

hot take: there needed to be more npc helpers throughout the game

[exotic dome]

stop.

[devout oak]

they barely make a difference

[fiery burrow]

High B tier fight not bad

[vale whale]

we didnt get a single second senti boss help their quest line is already fucking shit

[earnest drift]

ok, our remaining bosses are lace 2, second sentinel, cogwork dancers and pure vessel

[vale whale]

goated character with a shit quest line

[light swan]

second seintinel is the best bossfight in the game by far at least

[heady iron]

people just don't like it because they don't know how to position themselves and react accordingly

[vale whale]

no real conclusion

[steep jolt]

is it litterally just garmond and shakra

[hardy tangle]

bro is the anton ego of fucking silksong bosses

[vale whale]

yeah

g&z and shakra

[devout oak]

true tbh

[fathom iris]

she is so fun to fight and amazing to beat for the first time but some of her attacks are impossible to react to, shes still an S for me tho bcus of the music and difficulty

[leaden delta]

good hk bosses uhm

[normal bramble]

My boss tierlist based off my playthrough

[steep jolt]

i wish you could give garmond a petal from the everbloom to revive him

[earnest drift]

you know what pure vessel is just a copy of the hollow knight which is piss easy
so our remaining good bosses are second sentinel, cogwork dancers and lace 2

hollow knight has no good bosses

[vale whale]

holy peak

[devout oak]

im am ashamed to say this but garamond was the only one fighting those 2 bosses at the end of high halls gauntlet

[vale whale]

but tbf i think garmond's death has dlc potential

[normal bramble]

I’m counting the gauntlet as part of khan’s fight

[vale whale]

you dive into zaza's memory to help him move on and you see the village

[hardy tangle]

i hate all silksong players

[exotic dome]

it's over bro

[fathom iris]

🙂

[leaden delta]

absrad gpz collector. I’d still say pv and tyrant and yea thk too ig

[steep jolt]

this may be the most valid thing ive ever seen but where is groal and palestag needs to be switched with ass jim

[vale whale]

but imagine

bro GARMOND AND ZAZA FOR ASS JIM

[leaden delta]

uhm ig markoth but I wouldn’t consider it the same level. But im also putting pv and tyrant so fuck it

[vale whale]

SHAKRA HELPING WITH GROAL

[hardy tangle]

how it feels knowing everyones opinion is wrong and im the only one whos correct

[devout oak]

i never got why ppl like widow so much, its fun ig but nothing outstanding

[fathom iris]

😭 😭 let go man

[exotic dome]

markoth is bed of chaos

[normal bramble]

I did palestag second try so I never had to deal with the runback of doom of despair really

[steep jolt]

garmond is strong enough to do the high halls gauntlet without dying, when you fight him hes just trolling you

[subtle lynx]

Cause it's fun

[leaden delta]

as for silksong

[devout oak]

fr

[vale whale]

i would shed actual tears if they added more npc supports in the dlc

[ancient mortar]

Moving forward to some endgame stuff. already got what i assume is the normal ending. The lategame exploration is incredible and the platforming is great. but so far the bosses havent been as interesting as silksongs from start to where i am now. with some standouts that i liked a lot but still don't crack my favorites. Their movesets just don't really engage me that much. Even if the top 2 bosses i havent seen yet are better than the best silksong bosses id still say silksong beats it out on average.

[steep jolt]

the only reason i survived is cuz of overdose

[earnest drift]

npcs helping the protagonist in silksong is so good
and so much better than the excuse we had in hollow knight (qu*rrel)

[normal bramble]

The fake out absolutely got me on my first playthrough and the fight feels well designed

[hardy tangle]

mfs will dislike fs then love widow even though theyre the same fucking boss

[fiery burrow]

That's fair imo

[fathom iris]

imo, its perfect difficulty for where you are in the game, its just fun and the music is peak

[earnest drift]

mfs will dislike traitor lord yet love pure vessel even though they’re the same

[vale whale]

never seen someone say " uuugh i dont wanna fight markoth this run but i have to to beat the game "

[steep jolt]

it also gives you a lore drop probably before you understand what it means, i love getting lore and finally realising what that one random thhing meant

[fiery burrow]

I've been doing some no-dodge runs of top fights and its definitely made me appreciate them more

[subtle lynx]

Peak comparison

[normal bramble]

True

[fathom iris]

ion like traitor lord but i never fought pure vessel cus i'm mid am i cooked

[fiery burrow]

Might be worth trying once you're done but Silksong also just has so many more bosses

[opaque sigil]

Most of which are meh to bad

[hardy tangle]

how it feels barfing out nonsense to farm engagement

[subtle lynx]

What feeling am I supposed to get from this image

[exotic dome]

eh i think ascended markoth is problematic rather than actual markoth

[hardy tangle]

heh... checkmate

[earnest drift]

all dream warriors are problematic

[orchid spruce]

Calling parry a dodge is so unsettling

[subtle lynx]

Not galien

[earnest drift]

they should put all of them in memory glade

[subtle lynx]

Galien is fun

[steep jolt]

mfs will love moorwing but cry about groal like bro they are basically just reskins

[devout oak]

pure vessel is so buns, too big of a hitbox and too fast to jump or dash in time

[earnest drift]

and not made them bosses

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[steep jolt]

ascend with gorb

[opaque sigil]

This is actually a skill issue

[exotic dome]

disagree

[steep jolt]

i wish you could actually fight revic

[earnest drift]

abyss shriek simulator (and yes you will fight him with abyss shriek because no one fucking goes out of their way to fight him)

[light swan]

never play nine sols

or any game with a parry

[heady iron]

people call craggler a boss and not revek

[steep jolt]

genuinely magestic

[fathom iris]

you prolly shouldnt put your standards for indie games as high as silksong, it was in developement for like 7 years with a practically infinite budget from hollow knight's success, so not many games are gonna reach its heights

[earnest drift]

revek is so awful that I erased him from my memory

[fiery burrow]

I like Mio more than Silksong

[ancient mortar]

I liked sekiro. nine sols was fine, but their parry systems had a lot of layers and the game was designed around them (nine sols less so)

[subtle lynx]

If you have dream nail before going to deepnest you will find him before getting howling wraiths

[hardy tangle]

its all ragebait

[subtle lynx]

Which I always do since I never find howling wraiths

[steep jolt]

hes not even meant to be fought just a punishment for trying to get like 30 dream essence

[earnest drift]

the actual issue with pure vessel is that they’re a shade cloak simulator

[subtle lynx]

On my first playthrough it was one of the last things I found and still is, idk how but I always miss it

[steep jolt]

howling wraiths is genuinely such a late game spell for how meh it is

[fiery burrow]

Yeah kinda but there's a similar amount of really great fights

[earnest drift]

pure vessel is just a better traitor lord

[hardy tangle]

none of the attacks force you to shade cloak btw

[orchid spruce]

Universe temperature take, Mio is just... better imo

[opaque sigil]

SS has uh karmelita lace 2 phantom last judge

[vale whale]

bosses that needed npc helps:
groal (shakra)
ass jim (g&z)
sister splinter (g&z)
not because theyre hard but theyre easy/annoying fights which should be reduced to aura farming moments for npcs

[earnest drift]

so it’s a worse traitor lord

[heady iron]

my base standard for indie games is silksong which is why I don't play free itch games made in 1 year by a single passionate dev

[fathom iris]

its very situational, it absolutely cooks with some things but does literally nothing for others

[fiery burrow]

First Sinner Widow and Seth are pretty good too

[earnest drift]

lace 2 is the only good one out of these

[exotic dome]

silksong has like 20 good bosses

[opaque sigil]

Oh yeah first sinner. Widow is ok Seth is hella disappointing

[vale whale]

phantom???

[earnest drift]

no it has 3 as I explained earlier

[fiery burrow]

I liked Seth's gameplay

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tokyo-ghoul-kaneki-14

[steep jolt]

something i dont like about hollow knight is that theres only 2 main paths, either do fungal to city to crystal to dream nail or fungal to crystal to dream nail to city

[orchid spruce]

MIO is better on every aspect, like really, except maybe pure volume

[subtle lynx]

Nyleth, single conchfly

[earnest drift]

4 attacks nothing burger

[orchid spruce]

I know I'm glazing MIO a bit too much

[steep jolt]

mcdonalds ceo ahh bite

[earnest drift]

silksong has 3 good bosses and hollow knight has 0

[fiery burrow]

No such thing as too much Mio glaze twin

[vale whale]

their fight is so fucking cool and they have insane aura

[subtle lynx]

Moss mother 1 and 2, morwing, skull tyrant

[heady iron]

can't believe my heckin wholesome reddit goat seth is being slandered

[hardy tangle]

silksong has 0 good bosses everything sucks in silksong

[earnest drift]

ok I can’t stand slandering phantom any longer I love phantom they’re so awesome

[hardy tangle]

every boss has 1 tiny flaw so its dogshit instantly

[opaque sigil]

OST

[normal bramble]

TROBBIOOOOO

[vale whale]

their fight is literally a lesson and it culminates in hornet mastering their own technique to perfectly counter them it's amazing

[steep jolt]

how the fuck is garmond meant to reach sister splinter bro 🙏🙏

[fathom iris]

zamn

[hardy tangle]

i hate games and i hate bosses

[exotic dome]

mio has the best metroidvania map

[normal bramble]

Same

[vale whale]

he jumps

[fiery burrow]

Oh yeah Mio has like 3 really great OSTs I can remember

[earnest drift]

phantom is pretty much what prevents any other metroidvania from reaching silksong’s quality

[orchid spruce]

ah yeah

[steep jolt]

mf is not mario

[normal bramble]

Imo phantom has the coolest intro of any boss in the game

[orchid spruce]

THE BEST. THE. BEST.

[vale whale]

ZETZIBOUUUU (super jumps to do a little upward flail slash)

[earnest drift]

fighting the phantom of the opera is 20 times more auraful than fighting the sun

[fathom iris]

i can imagine him trying to wave his little fencing thingy at sister splinter but not being able to reach

[hardy tangle]

lace 2 is the worst boss in silksong cus you have to dodge her attacks

[subtle lynx]

Radience hiding as the sun beats EVERYTHING

[ancient mortar]

But yeah i really like mio a lot the combat is the only thing i don't like near as much as silksong

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, though Prince of Persia the lost crown had the single coolest area

[exotic dome]

mio peak osts ||the heart, the keeper, the spine keeper, i also like crucible for some reason||

[earnest drift]

it’s not a pop culture reference 0/10

[light swan]

this just makes me even more surprised

[hardy tangle]

cogwork dancers really just a terrible boss cus its attacks are so obvious

[subtle lynx]

It has become one

[fiery burrow]

||Crucible, the theme that plays near Asma, and Nabuu|| would be my picks

[fathom iris]

is the mist didnt have that dumbahh mechanic it might be one of the best buildups too, the mist has such a great and creepy vibe

[orchid spruce]

nine sols spoiler ||Don't make me do it twice||

[vale whale]

hell maybe g&z could jump in to dispatch the splinterbarks and break the vines in sister splinter

[subtle lynx]

Whenever I look at the sun, I think of radience

[earnest drift]

who tf cares about the sun I wouldn’t care if the sun disappeared

[heady iron]

I think a few people know about the sun

[earnest drift]

why are you looking at the sun

[light swan]

why is nine sols, the game where yorue supposed to parry fucking EVERYTHING, fine

but not mio, the game where you can parry (almost) EVERYTHING, less fine

[exotic dome]

same, also the movement

[fathom iris]

i got that spoiled for me so didnt really care for it 🥲

[light swan]

||speeper, where you come to die, asmas ballad, pearl: the heart||

[subtle lynx]

It's not STH I do often, that's why it reminds me of radience, I've seen her more than the actual sun

[opaque sigil]

MIO dodge devalues other option

[light swan]

disagree !!

[earnest drift]

that’s weird

[orchid spruce]

MIO has both the free movement and the parry system, I just adore it so much

[subtle lynx]

Damn, you missed a great moment

[hardy tangle]

radiance

[fathom iris]

for like 6 minutes no one would gaf

[light swan]

mio dodge having another option is better than a game that forces you into one dumbass parry playstyle

[exotic dome]

let me guess, afterimage?

[earnest drift]

exactly

[light swan]

yuoure not forced to parry and youre not encouraged to either

[fiery burrow]

I think parries are kinda oversaturated and not as interesting as positioning ngl

[opaque sigil]

sure

[light swan]

because not parrying is stronger

[devout oak]

gms intro looks better

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/tuff-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-homer-simpson-tuffaholic-gif-16018237484688283235

[earnest drift]

meanwhile if the phantom of the opera stopped existing the entire world would instantly explode

[hardy tangle]

i felt like this actually

[fiery burrow]

But yeah parries are optional

[fathom iris]

EXACTLY

[earnest drift]

I don’t like Naruto

[orchid spruce]

nine sols slander >:O

[subtle lynx]

😂

[light swan]

yea, without a doubt

[opaque sigil]

I like afterimage's map but I would not put it above mio it's just bigger

[exotic dome]

"coughing baby is better"

[ancient mortar]

Also i don't mind a parry system is the parry is satisfying/ challenging to pull off. Sekiros is both. silksongs is just satisfying but it at least has aresource cost. Mios dodge is really not well done. Its iframes are very generous, you don't lose anything to use it, and it actually REFILLS your energy. not to mention its just very unsatisfying sound and visual wise.

[light swan]

its bigger and better

[fiery burrow]

Mio's map has some innovative stuff

[light swan]

figuring out the best way to counter mio bosses was the best thing ever for me and silksong just doesnt have it

[earnest drift]

fighting the extremely significant symbol you’ve been coming across your entire journey vs fighting something that came from somewhere because of some reason

[hardy tangle]

eradicate all silksong glazers

[ancient mortar]

I actually like mios movement better than silksong in most senses, mainly as its way better utilized with actually complex platforming.

[light swan]

with silksong its either spogo or dash attack

[fiery burrow]

I think its gonna take a few replays for me to gauge whether its better than HK's though

[heady iron]

there should be a combination of both physical positioning like in silksong and timed actions like parrying in sekiro
the humble OSU:

[light swan]

or with other crests, just jump over and spam the attack button

[opaque sigil]

silksong has like two distinct bosses and the rest of them may as well be reskins

they all feel identical

[earnest drift]

this is much more apparent with hollow knight

[hardy tangle]

can we be coherent

[earnest drift]

“the big 3 of hollow knight” mf they’re all reskins

[light swan]

with mio, sasuke for example theres me jumping up to parry, in order to shairpin down towards the boss which sets me up for a strider attack

[exotic dome]

what

[devout oak]

yeah silksong doesnt really put gms into the world as well and hollow knight does

[earnest drift]

both nkg and pure vessel are traitor lord upgrades

[hardy tangle]

its bait

[heady iron]

there's a boss named after a naruto character?

[normal bramble]

The mist is awesome, now if the enemies didn’t do double damage while being top 5 most annoying enemies in the game

[opaque sigil]

silksong bosses are not very memorable

[earnest drift]

wdym I meant that gms is properly foreshadowed unlike radiance

[subtle lynx]

I remember them all wdym

[hardy tangle]

you have dementia

[earnest drift]

silksong doesn’t have elder hu

[fiery burrow]

what was the girl with long hair called again

[undone gate]

They are way more memorable than HK bosses

[graceful oyster]

Can I beat Minecraft with dementia?

[fiery burrow]

her name was too long and complex

[undone gate]

Or Marmu

[earnest drift]

I fucking hate minecraft

[light swan]

phase transition of mios final boss for example ||slingshot at the start, shairpin first teleport, slingshot second teleport, shairpin last teleport|| this kind of decision making and figuring out how to counter a boss is just so much more interesting in mio than in silksong

[exotic dome]

https://giphy.com/gifs/youtube-minecraft-youtuber-xz2t8BN0NKlFew7jHK

[fiery burrow]

I don't think HK is the holy grail for memorable bosses ngl

[ancient mortar]

For my tastes i generally prefer the complexity of attacks im dodging rather than the complexity of what moves i can pull off

[subtle lynx]

Peak video

[devout oak]

maybe i paid better attention to hollow knight

[light swan]

does this not count for the best way to dodge an attack

[earnest drift]

well there aren’t any other metroidvanias in existence

[hardy tangle]

palestag is every bad boss from hollow knight combined into one radioactive shitcake

[subtle lynx]

I don't remember A SINGLE hollow knight boss while I remember ALL of the silksong bosses

[fiery burrow]

That's why we call them hollowlikes

[heady iron]

elden ring is the gold standard for memorable bosses, everyone knows about Tibia Mariner

[earnest drift]

still better than no eyes

[verbal trench]

hollow knight is the only game ever actually

[fiery burrow]

trash vs garbage

[vale whale]

i havent played er yet tarnished edition isnt out

[heady iron]

switch player

[graceful oyster]

No, no. Egg.

[barren dew]

hi

[verbal trench]

the fuck is an egg

[graceful oyster]

Can we PLEASE get more Caves of Qud players please I need to talk about this game

[opaque sigil]

does it go on steeper sales than 20% often

[earnest drift]

is it inspired by cave story

[fathom iris]

i wish it leaned into the non-euclidean aspect more and done lil tricks with your mind and the level instead of sum boring minigame

[fiery burrow]

qud is on my radar

[graceful oyster]

No, I think 20% is the best it gets

[devout oak]

hollow knight has been out for longer, youll remember silksong bosses really well in some time

[subtle lynx]

Every metroidvania post 2017 is a hollow-knight-like

[barren dew]

Food you eat

[exotic dome]

silksouls

[subtle lynx]

I like this term

[opaque sigil]

nah it's not about remembering they exist it's about them being distinctive

[graceful oyster]

It's well worth $30, I beat the game for my first time after 80 hours, 250h in I still have a few endings left to get

[fathom iris]

rename metroidvania to hollow knight-like

[opaque sigil]

hmmm

[fiery burrow]

anyway all of these are better than Ori 2 bosses

[exotic dome]

ori 2 has the ||spider boss|| and uhhhh

[subtle lynx]

Mention one metroidvania post hollow knight that doesn't use the "3 dreamer into a fake final boss into an actual final boss" system

[verbal trench]

literally what are you talking about. is everything okay

[earnest drift]

hollow knight is doomed because the final boss is a no eyes reskin

[graceful oyster]

||Kwolok||

[hardy tangle]

no boss should be unhittable for more than 1 second

[graceful oyster]

Sry

[fiery burrow]

The final boss of Ori is solid ngl

[fathom iris]

honestly i find silksong bosses to be more memorable, that might just be cus i like the game more overall tho

[undone gate]

HK has like 10 bosses which spam like 1 or 2 attacks and do nothing else how are they memorable

[exotic dome]

i dislike ori

[fiery burrow]

I actually quite like it and ||the spider|| was alright ig

[graceful oyster]

I agree. WAY WAY too easy but good design

[barren dew]

I was joking but what's the context

[hardy tangle]

you are normal for this

[opaque sigil]

if you could just go ahead and read the sentence

[fiery burrow]

I kinda like how Ori is a chill easy game

[verbal trench]

it's okay i'm being stupid for the bit

[light swan]

also about this, i like afterimage's map more not because it's bigger but because of how addicting it is

[fathom iris]

thank you for affirming

[light swan]

also because of all the world building and stuff

[barren dew]

It's okay me too 😭😭

[graceful oyster]

Yeah but like, I think I 2nd tried that fight

[light swan]

seeing the past before your eyes,also things like the water cycle in action

[orchid spruce]

it's on big sale rn so i'm interested, but why is it rated so low

[opaque sigil]

I don't really find the exploration rewards that engrossing but maybe if I spread out and advanced all the weapon trees or something

[fiery burrow]

Yeah its kinda a spectacle

[ancient mortar]

I mean you can optimize your playstyle on anything but if the attacks themselves are too simple its not really that enticing for me. With skong i felt like i had to genuinly consider how to dodge each attack at all first. then figure out how to optimize later. with mio i feel like the first part isnt really there.

[light swan]

theres also the wonder of the world

[orchid spruce]

its recent is Mostly Positive

[undone gate]

How are Silksong bosses not distinctive

[barren dew]

What are we talking about

[exotic dome]

expedition 54

[hardy tangle]

no silksong glazer will ever convince me the lore is better than hk

[opaque sigil]

discord user discovers what subjectivity is

[fiery burrow]

I remember ||Shriek|| being fun enough for me to try out a good few builds though

[light swan]

when you find a new area in afterimage its like "holy SHIT" and not "oh damn theres a new area here"

[fiery burrow]

I had a bow centered one that did like a ton of damage

[heady iron]

hk lore is only good because of godhome

[light swan]

its a game tailored specifically to a person like me

[exotic dome]

as a silksong glazer, this would be a delusional take

[earnest drift]

I think it’s a classic case of latching into something subjective and difficult to explain to say hollow knight is better

[light swan]

most people dont like afterimage because they think its too big or bloated

i think its the perfect size and i wouldnt be upset if it was bigger

[hardy tangle]

ok nine sols pfp

[graceful oyster]

Yeah I went back and used bow to shred the boss in almost no time at all

[pulsar oxide]

My SoS release date prediction is either May 29 or June 5

[undone gate]

Distinct isin't a subjective word

[earnest drift]

as a silksong glazer I can confirm that silksong’s lore is better

[opaque sigil]

😐

[heady iron]

says the spongebob pfp

[light swan]

but like hearing about the pyro goliath's death way before and them stumbling upon the ashen canyon was fucking beautiful

[orchid spruce]

i see

[opaque sigil]

silksong fans can't reeeeead

[light swan]

or no, goliathfall

[earnest drift]

why didn’t pale king send the hollow knight away from Hallownest huh

[hardy tangle]

me thinking hk has better lore or a silksong glazer thinking sk has better lore

[fiery burrow]

Also ngl it did take me a good few tries because on my first playthrough I walked right past the heal ability and never picked it up

[graceful oyster]

He did

[fiery burrow]

And that felt normal because it still had Ori 1's healing system

[light swan]

also theres EVERYTHING involving sky palace

[barren dew]

Genuine question but why did people start talking about it after GOTY (since it has been out way before but I still haven't seen anyone talk about it before) like am I the only one who noticed this

[light swan]

sky palace is probably my favorite area in all of gaming period

[fiery burrow]

Game still felt balanced

[heady iron]

cause it's an industry plant

[light swan]

ABOVE sylvalum from xenoblade X

[subtle lynx]

Yes, everyone was talking about it before goty

[exotic dome]

it was quite popular when the game first came out

[opaque sigil]

people were talking about it before
they talked about it more after it was highlighted at a big award show

[hardy tangle]

the idea of hk lore is cooler than whatever silksong is about

[fiery burrow]

Blue Prince should've swept

[barren dew]

So it's my fyp probably

[earnest drift]

what is the idea of hollow knight lore

[light swan]

the way you traverse and find new areas is beautiful in afterimage too

[subtle lynx]

Silksong was never going to have a better lore or soundtrack than HK and that's ok

[opaque sigil]

blue prince should've gotten most innovative without a shadow of a doubt

[exotic dome]

silksong has a better soundtrack tho

[hardy tangle]

creating a perfect vessel to contain a god

[light swan]

i loved ||scorchwhere, whispering forest, forest foregone, holy grounds|| etc

[fiery burrow]

did e33 get most innovative

[barren dew]

I genuinely never seen anyone talk about it the slightest so I was confused at first

[subtle lynx]

Not even close

[graceful oyster]

I took a nice solid look at blue prince and the rng would drive me crazy. Won't be playing it.

[distant prawn]

Im granding my silk

[hardy tangle]

pale court mogs all of silksong ost

[exotic dome]

hk has like 5 osts

[opaque sigil]

the rng is mostly an illusion

[devout oak]

what idea are we talking about

[light swan]

[graceful oyster]

The late game rng

[undone gate]

Other than Sealed Vessel I would say Silksong has better non DLC osts

[barren dew]

How many months has it been since silksong was out

[exotic dome]

thats true

[ancient mortar]

But yeah i generally found silksongs boss roster to be varied and all pretty memorable.

[heady iron]

e33 innovated the french being capable of actually fighting back get it cause the french always give up huh huh

[distant prawn]

kinda

[subtle lynx]

The fact that the leitmotif for silksong is some existing death leitmotif instead of how HK has 2 strong unique ones just tells you everything

[fiery burrow]

Hearing a Silksong track doesn't pull me in like White Palace or City of Tears but I think that's half nostalgia

[distant prawn]

Savage Beastfly is indeed the best

[subtle lynx]

Green path alone does it

[hardy tangle]

silksong doesn't have any iconic quotes

[ancient mortar]

I unironically enjoyed both fights

[earnest drift]

I think silksong’s lore is better because hollow knight’s lore has a glaring plot hole
which is that pale king didn’t send the hollow knight away from Hallownest after sealing the radiance

[exotic dome]

idk, 7 out of my top 10 is silksong ost

[fathom iris]

it was less talked about because the people who played it actaully liked it, but after it won so many awards in goty, people started hating on it and it got a lot bigger cus hate spreads very very fast online

[graceful oyster]

Eh I know what I felt as I first heard White Palace and Silksong didn't ever get there

[hardy tangle]

where's silksongs no cost too great

[light swan]

i will never be able to put silksong's bosses or combat above mios

[distant prawn]

true, but we dont have dlcs

[opaque sigil]

stockholm

[hardy tangle]

dlcs won't be about the main lore anyways so it's too late

[distant prawn]

true but

[subtle lynx]

Same with a bunch of hk songs, the only silksong song that made me feel like an HK track was choral chambers

[devout oak]

ik this is prolly my bias but so many things is silksong including the soundtrack feel less creative than in hollow knight which would make sense

[graceful oyster]

There is nothing in either game as remarkable as White Palace

[distant prawn]

Grimm troupe

[exotic dome]

hk has 3 and they are sealed vessel, white palace, city of tears

[earnest drift]

Poshanka > no cost too great

[orchid spruce]

i hate MIO now because i don't know where to go. joking or am i

[distant prawn]

they must be at the top right

[fiery burrow]

HK also had some really cool musical storytelling tbf

[light swan]

go to a place where you werent able to go before

there is nothing in either game as remarkable as bilewater btw guys

[orchid spruce]

we have really similar taste, sealed vessel is jusst

[light swan]

sealed vessel is the best song

[earnest drift]

city of tears is overrated

[fiery burrow]

I wish Larkin made longer tracks though cuz some songs are barely 1 minute 😔

[barren dew]

Aren't all soundtracks of both games sound very different from eachother tho, you are more likely not to feel nostalgic when hearing silksong soundtracks (not sure how to elaborate 💔)

[earnest drift]

the sound of rain is overrated

[hardy tangle]

silksong glazers latching onto poshanka cus that's all they got

[exotic dome]

sealed vessel is 1, white palace is like 4 and city of teaes is probably 7-8

[hardy tangle]

hk has so much more iconic voicelines

[exotic dome]

just saying overall silksongs ost is better and more stacked

[hardy tangle]

like what does grindle even say

[heady iron]

boss fights being longer would justify longer tracks

[orchid spruce]

||i have like 8 cores now and still can't find mel in the freaking vault|| mio spoiler

[subtle lynx]

Idk, I think that they got lazy with the soundtrack in silksong or STH:
The main leitmotif is the death leitmotif
There's 3 sets of 5 bosses that use the same song (this didn't happen in HK ever)
No area song has a battle version unlike im HK where a lot of them had one

[undone gate]

What are your 7 most favorite Silksong ost

[earnest drift]

hollow knight glazers latching onto an old man doing necessary evils for the greater good (extremely cliche trope)

[heady iron]

Team Cherry, give SoS bosses 4000 hp please

[distant prawn]

i feel more gravitated to Silksong Act 1

[barren dew]

Since it has been months I feel like the hate wasn't justified sure it won lots of awards but I think the game isn't for the blame

[fiery burrow]

this just isn't justifiable

its too good to be 1 minute

[distant prawn]

old man was pretty good

[subtle lynx]

Yeah because the mother daughter relationship trauma is new and not STH done by death till Disney in the last couple years😭

[hardy tangle]

it's ok to be wrong

[exotic dome]

lost lace, choral chambers, bilewater, bellhart, awakening, phantom, last dive

[earnest drift]

when was lace ever traumatised

[opaque sigil]

it deserved most of the awards it got, the one it didn't is innovative game which should've gone to blue prince which is way way more innovative

[fiery burrow]

Bilewater and Choral Chambers are highlights

[light swan]

oh that ones a hidden opening in a corner good luck

i assume youve been told this already

[fiery burrow]

What did E33 even innovate

[subtle lynx]

And high halls, but that's it

[hardy tangle]

if she's not maybe she should stop acting like a kid and get a job

[fiery burrow]

I'm not that into turn based RPGs tbf

[graceful oyster]

I did mention it vaguely but haven't hinted to the whereabouts or what the nature of it is

[undone gate]

That's a really good list

[opaque sigil]

not really much of anything

[earnest drift]

Disney could never

[orchid spruce]

||it's the drawer one, right? i'm stuck somewhere at a pipe that goes underwater so i can't progress but lemme see||

[ancient mortar]

But yeah in mio theres only a few bosses that i came away from so far really liking a lot. most arent bad but just didn't really feel memorable at all, and most i felt ended far too soon. A big issue is most of the bosses just stand there and let you whale on them

[devout oak]

i really hope sos is much harder than the rest of the game, considering you can melt lost lace in 1 minute with late game builds

[earnest drift]

does Disney also make the daughter a sadistic mass murderer

[subtle lynx]

That's why red tools are cheating...

[graceful oyster]

Oh what you're stuck somewhere else

[barren dew]

Wish people were actually saying something like this way before cuz all the hate I saw was just to praise silksong (which is weird cuz you can like both games)

[orchid spruce]

pain

[undone gate]

You can also melt base Radience in HK within a minute

[graceful oyster]

Can you send map in #mio-general? You don't deserve to be stuck rn

[opaque sigil]

I was

[devout oak]

the build i found only uses cogflies

[hardy tangle]

lace is the biggest industry plant

[exotic dome]

thanks

[barren dew]

Personally I haven't even played the game but the hate was uhhhh interesting

[heady iron]

so you hate waffles ahh fanbase

[subtle lynx]

Literally the most skilless tool in the game

No wonder it felt unsatisfying

[barren dew]

I know I meant like I wish they said something similar to what you said back then 😭

[devout oak]

hk will always require more skill than cogflies + pollip pouch

[earnest drift]

pollip pouch doesn’t do that

[fiery burrow]

E33 generate me a wallpaper

[opaque sigil]

ddark spam is very strong and pollip pouch sucks

[exotic dome]

somehow winning best rpg over an actual rpg game (kcd2)

[undone gate]

Lost Lace will still be harder than Base Radience

[heady iron]

wow they really stole coral tower from silksong

[devout oak]

oh god i have so many of these screenshots after they added photo mode

[subtle lynx]

Ddark spam at least requires 2 inputs and has risk of getting damaged

And requires hitting the boss ofc

[undone gate]

It would eighter be Act 3 level or slightly harder than that

[earnest drift]

hollow knight has a silent protagonist, a shallow antagonist, and a deuteragonist and tritagonist that are both more interesting than either of the first two

[devout oak]

yeah thats true

[opaque sigil]

no ||renoir's drafts ||

[heady iron]

you made those words up

[subtle lynx]

I was about to say that

[rocky jolt]

gassing up this shit when its one of the tool combos that do the least damage

[worldly lake]

agonist

[earnest drift]

sorry I’ll add “a” to the dictionary right now

[exotic dome]

"spinderous" ahh words

[light swan]

guys guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcEdif_2PNY

[opaque sigil]

bop

[earnest drift]

hollow knight’s best written character is a cliche the game’s lore sucks

[ancient mortar]

For mio bosses so far i've liked BIG SPOILERS ||ati, the kidnapper, halyn (too easy though), the doors, weather guy|| and those are all the ones i really remember being a fan of

[subtle lynx]

This is the most obvious ragebait

[devout oak]

silksong has such fun combat when you try clawlining onto everything

[subtle lynx]

And you have some really ragebaity stuff

[ancient mortar]

but i don't think any of them went past like last judge on my enjoyment scale except maybe the first one To be clear i love last judge

[light swan]

bird of prey i agree

[hardy tangle]

my favourite mio bosses are bogos gob doodi pok gok cok

[fiery burrow]

https://youtu.be/iqizXvvWnmM

[heady iron]

I think you guys should listen to vg osts less and more actual music like rap and kpop

[devout oak]

who is the best written character? 😭

[opaque sigil]

if we just start posting osts we'll be here all night

[subtle lynx]

Rap and kpop😭

[fiery burrow]

I only listen to ugh from friday night funkin sorry

[earnest drift]

pale king is a copy paste of Asgore dreemurr, nick fury, cecil and dumbledore

[light swan]

shocking, only mio boss id put under the last judge are ||flora, washing machine, lombre, and maybe nabuu||

[hardy tangle]

zote

[devout oak]

the second most fire soundtrack in the game

[earnest drift]

pale king

[fathom iris]

idk if this is self promo but can u guys look at my post in the lore channel? i wanna see if im onto something or on something

[subtle lynx]

😭 😭 😭 😭

[exotic dome]

||https://youtu.be/XVIVOoeocMY||

[devout oak]

yeah ok we got the best answer

[fiery burrow]

||Nabuu|| is cool asf

[opaque sigil]

||washing machine is at least a cool fight||

[light swan]

une vieaea tiamer when

[subtle lynx]

I could not have said a more insane sentence even if I wanted to

[hardy tangle]

gms is a copy paste of Mrs puffs 😭💔😭

[fiery burrow]

The ||paintress|| art is so good

[ancient mortar]

My least favorite so far are ||vlad and friends||

[light swan]

||washing machine is fucking awesome but i just dont enjoy it cuz iots boring||

[exotic dome]

same

[earnest drift]

except pale king does the trope worst because “he had thousands of babies and killed all of them except one to become a vessel to contain god” is so out of reality it’s incomprehensible

[light swan]

||friends i get, i just personally like the fight but i cant back it up, vlad is washing machine||

[opaque sigil]

I like that it forces you to take a different approach, ||use a dodge on a thing to get in the air then manage energy to stay there||

[rocky jolt]

||this message is spoiled for the sake of flooding the chat||

[light swan]

same, i love that portion

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/baki-redditor

[onyx python]

me when i find out i have to choose between temu greed and temu wayward compass

[light swan]

||i hate waiting for 15 hours for the washing machine phases tho, those are boring af and give nothing but useless waiting||

[onyx python]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[hardy tangle]

|||||||||||||||||||||

[ancient mortar]

||vlad feels like the worst offender in the universal problem the game has of bosses that will stand still for 30 seconds for you to mulch their entire health bar||

[opaque sigil]

yeah those didn't have to exist

[light swan]

||i love energy management and staying airborne, but washing machine phases are dumb||

[hardy tangle]

grok

[exotic dome]

||vlad sucks, and apparently he doesn't even have lore||

[light swan]

yea thats really sad

[hardy tangle]

doohickey

[light swan]

its ok at least theres only like 1-3 bad bosses

[fiery burrow]

He runs off of pure aura

[light swan]

and not like 10

[ancient mortar]

Almost every mio boss has a phase transition that you wipe all their health in

[light swan]

they get damage reduction btw

[earnest drift]

what cliche does lace fall into

[heady iron]

tsundere

[light swan]

hes a fatass who bumbles around

[opaque sigil]

I don't even think that fight is bad it's just wasted potential and kinda whatever

[exotic dome]

same for ||friends|| too. and that's even worse, at least ||washing machine has an interesting design||

[earnest drift]

wtf no

[exotic dome]

ye

[light swan]

pretty much

[earnest drift]

mentally unstable character laughs a lot ig

[hardy tangle]

none cus there's no other character as terribly written as her

[light swan]

yandere

[rocky jolt]

thousand year old child bro

[exotic dome]

i'd say ||flora|| is the 3rd bad boss and thats it

[earnest drift]

still makes her more unique than pale king

[fiery burrow]

I thought ||friends|| was ok but I first tried it

[earnest drift]

the knight did it first

[hardy tangle]

do we deserve bilewater!?

[exotic dome]

we don't deserve peak

[rocky jolt]

the knight doesnt act like a child

[worldly lake]

what did the pale king do bruh 😭

[devout oak]

why do people care so much if silksong characters are written well like its not an rpg and not even a story heavy game, why do they need to be well written (im not even talking about hollow knight)

[earnest drift]

hollow knight’s definition of children is very different from ours
children don’t fight to protect their land or go on mass killing sprees

[opaque sigil]

they don't need to be

[fiery burrow]

Story isn't really important thats true but the game would definitely be better if characters were better

[hardy tangle]

if I was team cherry I would make a horrible terrible undefendable area

[fiery burrow]

And its a bit of a letdown coming from HK tbh

[light swan]

anyways take a look at the most difficult mio thing ive done

MIO boss spoilers

[worldly lake]

bilewater could be worse

[light swan]

this is part of why i like the boss so much, i also love ||stridering on the bg grates||

[rocky jolt]

ok man i dont care nobody thinks of the knight like a child

[earnest drift]

hollow knight’s characters were way worse than silksong’s wdym

[heady iron]

wisp thicket:

[exotic dome]

bilegalaxy

[fiery burrow]

Oh is this the no damage upgrades no abilities thing

[hardy tangle]

hk has way better npcs

[earnest drift]

cornifer has no development tiso is nothing Quirrel is annoying

[light swan]

yea, upgradeless abilityless modless, i took damage tho

[earnest drift]

and radiance is hollow knight’s biggest story weakness

[fiery burrow]

Still crazy gg

[light swan]

thank god its not because its the best area throughout both games by far

[devout oak]

he doesnt act like anything

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's a quantity vs quality thing

[glossy fog]

Wait what is in the new patch, why is it 1.0.30000

[hardy tangle]

silkksong had shakra garmond Sherma..... uhhhbhh

[exotic dome]

no everything challenge

[earnest drift]

you’ve already listed more npcs than hollow knight has

[light swan]

it was so fun, the boss wasnt designed arund it but stil crazy fun

[rocky jolt]

yeah

[light swan]

WAIT WRONB VIDEO

[worldly lake]

bilewater into the bileverse 💔

[fiery burrow]

is it just me or is the ||black phase|| kinda annoying

[exotic dome]

it's fine

[light swan]

i think its cool and unobtrusive

[devout oak]

imagine if sea of sorrow is just bilewater 2

[opaque sigil]

I don't really mind it but the last several times I've done the fight I skipped it

[light swan]

IT WAS THIS

mio boss spoiers

[graceful oyster]

It's my favorite part of the fight, I almost always avoid skipping it

[worldly lake]

yeah because almost everyone in hollow knight is fucking dead 💔