sk-discussion

[steep jolt]

ohhh i understand

[normal bramble]

Sure gms yk what

[zinc wharf]

Does Longclaw + Reaper or Longclaw + Witch have more range?

[charred ruin]

newgen 😭

[light swan]

this is bad im trying to pogo jump in silksong

this is bad im gonna die on the way up to surface climb

[charred ruin]

fraction of hitbox in the strings 😭

[steep jolt]

fatt

[slender juniper]

Witch

[steep jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/city-boy-city-boy-instagram-jxbtty-gif-7643045933702623931

[zinc wharf]

I see…

Thank you

[light swan]

withc has more range naturally too

[charred ruin]

reaper range being shorter than witch is so funny hornet arent you wielding a scythe

[slender juniper]

No she has a needle

[rocky jolt]

citeh boy

[zinc wharf]

I don’t think it’s a scythe, I think it’s one of those things that the Dreg Catchers use.

[rocky jolt]

witch crest uses a whip

[slender juniper]

Also a scythe does the same amount of damage as the needle

[slender juniper]

Sure😭

[rocky jolt]

Whip the needle in sweeping swings. Leech the life of foes through twisted roots.

[charred ruin]

youd think the crest would be called something like catcher crest if she was using a dreg catchers weapon

[slender juniper]

"whip the NEEDLE"

[rocky jolt]

reaper crest doesnt actually use a scythe too btw

[slender juniper]

We know

[charred ruin]

well of course not beast crest doesnt use claws either

[gilded rock]

I finally reached act 3

[slender juniper]

Why would anybody use u nmodded reaper

[charred ruin]

why is use chinese an option for modded reaper

[slender juniper]

For the descriptions

Why does everyone ask that

[rocky jolt]

can we just have a pirate crest already

[slender juniper]

...we do

[charred ruin]

could you not just change the games language to chinese

[slender juniper]

No

[rocky jolt]

oh yes we do bro]

[charred ruin]

sea of sorrow hornet becomes pirate

[normal bramble]

Oh my god why do I keep playing like I have faydown in gms

[gilded rock]

I think the crest shown in thr sea of sorrow trailer will make us glide on water

[normal bramble]

Maybe because i had faydown here originally

[storm shard]

Seems too situational

[rocky jolt]

does that have any practical use

[slim thorn]

i think i used it for ascended R&D but idk much more

[gilded rock]

Bile water????

[charred ruin]

impractical use is smacking into a water strider

[rocky jolt]

hey man wreath of purity is already a thing

[charred ruin]

not that you couldnt already do that by just simply swimming in the water

[storm shard]

I think the crest will be alchemist themed rather than water themed

And be tied to lifeblood somehow

[charred ruin]

lifeblood addict crest

[gilded rock]

Also hornet said something about wanting to glide on water like the enemies on shellwood
But she does also say a lot of shit so

[slender juniper]

Of course you can't have crest of the water that is impossible

[rocky jolt]

natural plasmium regeneration 😋

[charred ruin]

jonis blessing but better

[slender juniper]

Every crest hornet binds is the nature of the one she's binding

Hornet can't bind the ocean

[tight viper]

Isn’t that the plot of Moana

[slender juniper]

No

[slim thorn]

why pogo should get more damage than normal attacks?

[slender juniper]

Because it's slower

[charred ruin]

delayed input i guess

[gilded rock]

Hornet binds the water and dries out the water suply in pharloom

[charred ruin]

so you need to time attacks better instead of just running up to an enemy to smack them on the head

[slim thorn]

idk, i feel like the approach it gives makes up for it

[gilded rock]

Is silksong harder to mod

[slender juniper]

It's a 5% difference

[normal bramble]

No

[slender juniper]

Actually kinda easier

[zinc wharf]

Is there any way to get into High Halls without fighting the Cogwork Dancers? I’ve tried cheesing the wheel, I’ve tried using Voltvessels to break the connection that exists right outside of the Exhaust Organ, I’ve even looked into the transition from High Halls to Bilewater that takes you to the twisted bud, yet none of those have worked.

[slim thorn]

i gotta rebalnce the rebalances this is absurdly op

[slender juniper]

Yes

[zinc wharf]

Do tell.

(Please)

[slender juniper]

Underworks from whiteward

[charred ruin]

why are your damage numbers fucking massive

[slim thorn]

probably remove the better reaper mod since it lacks config

[normal bramble]

Beast crest every single minute makes me wish I was on reaper

[slim thorn]

silken impact
but due to mastermode overwriting needle damage to 1 after all other modifiers, it ends up showing a like tenfold wrong number

[zinc wharf]

I meant Whispering Vaults but I assume we’re still on the same page?

[slim thorn]

i like it cuz it adds the feeling of idk the health remaining from vanilla

[slender juniper]

Oh then impossible

[normal bramble]

I don’t think there’s a single thing more annoying

[zinc wharf]

Ah.

Dang.

[normal bramble]

Than using a bind and then boss decided they want to make it impossible for you to hit them

[zinc wharf]

Yeah I already have Clawline + Faydown.

[light swan]

@graceful cairn hitless

[slim thorn]

i got 0 rosaries and 2 shell shards
truly the underworks experience

[light swan]

i forgot how to play reaper crest

[zinc wharf]

Why did they have to make Whispering Vaults only accessible if you kill the Cogwork Dancers? I now hate that boss because the fact that they’re somehow the only way to an unrelated area angers me.

[slim thorn]

what is the stronger stun damage on reaper balance?

[slender juniper]

... because it's an required boss?

[slender juniper]

Heavy blow

[slim thorn]

the count for stagger only?

[slender juniper]

Yup

[normal bramble]

Beast crest only done!!!

[zinc wharf]

I mean yeah but A: The Cradle elevator is already locked behind them, and B: I want to sequence break for my own incredibly niche purposes and the fact that the Cogwork Dancers are in my way is very annoying.

[rose flax]

can i mod silksong from microsoft store?

[charred ruin]

i mean like the size, the 11 is bigger than hornet when you first hit them

[slender juniper]

Just no clip smh

[zinc wharf]

I wish…

[charred ruin]

skong isnt on microsoft store im pretty sure

[slender juniper]

Lace 2 is a required boss as well trobbio too

[rose flax]

dawg i have it rn from microsoft sstore

i just 100%ed the game

[slender juniper]

What

[slender juniper]

Why do you always assume

[zinc wharf]

Yeah but they aren’t in the way of my very niche desires so they’re fine.

[charred ruin]

interesting

[slim thorn]

idk its the default size of the mod

[slender juniper]

Maybe download r2mod man

[rose flax]

what is that

[slender juniper]

A mod manager

For everything

Silkslop included

[light swan]

i forgot how to play silksong

[slender juniper]

So go do that

[light swan]

im playing too much like witch

[normal bramble]

8hs for beast crest only

3hs of that was just high halls

The rest was fairly easy

[light swan]

get me off this game

i dont belong here

[stable pilot]

Creeper

[slim thorn]

i cant find a good reaper orb attraction speed and aceleration and range
i think its missing some exponential acceleration or something

[slender juniper]

I made it a bit slower than default

[slim thorn]

i think im just gonna disable it

[normal bramble]

Welp now that I’ve done beast crest only I think my next (insert crest only) will be wanderers

[daring basin]

[normal bramble]

Not because it’s hard but because I need that 5h achievement and i can prob do the entire game a lot quicker and more consistently with it then with hunters

[light swan]

holy shit what am i doing

maybe double mirrors will be better

[normal bramble]

(And unfortunately witch is too inconvinent to get)

[slender juniper]

Doing beast is a lot slower than hunter

You'll need to go back to hunters march after cloak but the chapel

[normal bramble]

Doing beast is a lot Harder then Hunter

[slender juniper]

Then don't do it

[normal bramble]

Tbf I was doing it just to see if my opinions on beast change

[light swan]

aww

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-14514797702729285380

[normal bramble]

Unfortunately I am Not doing that whole side quest for it

Even if it’s my favorite crest

[slender juniper]

Gotta git gut and practice with circlet

[normal bramble]

I can actually consistently do the witch pogo circlet

[terse cloak]

and did they?

[slender juniper]

Now do high halls with circlet

[normal bramble]

Infinitely infinitely lower

[terse cloak]

DAMN

[normal bramble]

Then when I started.

[slim thorn]

why u triying witchblade pogo

[light swan]

its still good horizontally because of how big reaper pogo is

[slim thorn]

after tampering with like 3 mods the only buff i gave reaper was the heavy blow effect of staggers

incredible

[slender juniper]

Remember when reaper pogo used to be diagonal

[slim thorn]

what

[slender juniper]

2019

[slender juniper]

Why

You made mid slightly less mid

[rough zealot]

question. where do the pilgrims come from? theres not really a clear path in bone bottom that the pilgrims are entering pharloom from and bone bottom is described as a place to rest before beginning their journey, not somewhere to live for an extended amount of time to possibly breed and make more pilgrims to journey.. so where do they come from

[light swan]

the correct way to play reaper is like witch

[slender juniper]

They spawn

[slim thorn]

there wasnt any other good stuff i could do to it

[cobalt pilot]

I think some.pilfrims have been living in moss home

[terse cloak]

our path but they don't have hornets skill issue/j

[cobalt pilot]

But also the probably came the same way hornet did. And other ways and many others

[slender juniper]

The new charge attack? Damage increase

[light swan]

give reaper a tipper that deals 1.5x

[rough zealot]

i dont think they all enter by falling off a bridge and starting at the bottom of the mosslands and then.. fighting moss mother?

[slender juniper]

Too good ,never balance again

[slim thorn]

and about damage increase
im playing master mode lol

[terse cloak]

is that a custom tool i spy

[slim thorn]

also idk how the cross slash multipliers worked so i just fully disabled it so i dont mess with it

[slender juniper]

What the fuck is that blue

[light swan]

is this serious or nah

[cobalt pilot]

Oh shit wait right

Got the map mixed up in my head

[slim thorn]

charge fire wisps on needolin

[slender juniper]

Your way to fix something underpowered:make it overpowered

[graceful oyster]

Unironically this is super cool

[cobalt pilot]

Hmmm

[slender juniper]

These songs kinda fiery

[slim thorn]

i hope i can combine it with the other one that releases wisps on needolin cuz of needolin sinergies

[light swan]

hows that overpowered?

[slim thorn]

but im far from gettint to wispcket

cuz i need wings to open the gate

insteadof just beast there

[light swan]

for one itll we a lot harder to land ocnsistently compared to smth like hutner focus

also hunter has faster attack speed so it still loses out htere

if you want to consistently hit all your tippers youll need to play much more slowly

[fervent wharf]

GUYSS

I DID IT

[slim thorn]

huh, dying while getting your coccoon with the dead bug purse made me keep 5 out of 6 rosaries i had

[smoky vault]

bro i wanna join the vc but i just figured out i need to send messages ):

[rough zealot]

since they are bugs.. im just going to assume that they're laying eggs hidden in the other caverns of the mosslands and bugs generally dont get raised so they survive in there with the plentiful food and little danger and then when they're adults they come to bone bottom to start their journey, because they're born with silk in their minds already (dialogue from the caretaker) so it makes sense that they'd be born with the pull to the citadel

[normal bramble]

That sounds fun actually

[smoky vault]

is it really bad if i just send a bunch of mesages fast to use the voice?

[fervent wharf]

gus how can I get the Mister mushroom ending

[light swan]

wait i have a really really big concern

how are my spogos landing

can i just brush this under the rug of not consistent

[normal bramble]

Maybe I’ll do a witch crest only run at some point

[slim thorn]

im gonna lose all my 6 rosaries to this bug

[normal bramble]

Can you actually get witch crest in act 1?

I’m assuming ya

[leaden drum]

look in putrified ducts with silk soar

[normal bramble]

Since you can get to bilewater in act 1

[outer meteor]

I just beat lace, how do I get hollow knight's downslam?

[rough zealot]

was that hornets soul telling you to git gud😭

[spice cargo]

no

[fervent wharf]

but I killed lost lace

[leaden drum]

dont you hav to go through the whispering vault thing

[spice cargo]

you cant

[outer meteor]

how did u get the health meter

[fervent wharf]

and got all the mister mushroom encounters

[leaden drum]

just beat her again after you do mushroom questline

[outer meteor]

what am I supposed to do now

[light swan]

you need to go from whispering vaults

[normal bramble]

You can get to bilewater through sinners road tho…

[cobalt pilot]

What should I draw from silksong or hollow knight

[normal bramble]

Oh.

[spice cargo]

go to the right

[normal bramble]

That’s so LAME

[outer meteor]

can I not get any crests

[normal bramble]

Game can’t let me have witch in act 1

[spice cargo]

do you have sprint

[normal bramble]

Well atleast that’s not too far into act 2

[slim thorn]

silken impact

[leaden drum]

but dont you only find the twisted but in the entrance from the whispering vailts

[normal bramble]

Can get it before trobbio

[spice cargo]

really?

[leaden drum]

i think so

[spice cargo]

I dont think so

yeah no

[light swan]

@smoky vault whats 9 + 4

[leaden drum]

oh

[spice cargo]

but its a long way away

[normal bramble]

I thought that since you can get into bile water since sinners road

[spice cargo]

from the bellway fot example

[normal bramble]

You could get to the bud

[spice cargo]

you can and you are able to get a flea, a memory locket, and the broken tool and bellway

but thats it

[outer meteor]

YEAH

[spice cargo]

to explore more you need faydown

[outer meteor]

i have max bone shards, is there anything I could buy asap

[normal bramble]

There’s no skips or anything you could do?

[spice cargo]

if you buy a simple key for 500 rosaries you can get wanderer

shell shards are used for tools not for currency

[light swan]

well the bud is one way

[spice cargo]

nah

[normal bramble]

Oh

[spice cargo]

if you want witch in act 1 then just get a mod

[normal bramble]

Well that’s lame

[normal bramble]

I play on switch lmfao

[spice cargo]

dang

[normal bramble]

Tbf I own the game on steam ig

[slim thorn]

i got it

i lost my 6+ rosaries

[light swan]

cool gauntlet

[outer meteor]

where can I craft tools

[leaden drum]

top 10 hardest bosses

[outer meteor]

im really broke on rosaries

[spice cargo]

you find them

[spice cargo]

search up a farming guide

[outer meteor]

I cant even buy the far lands map from shakra

[outer meteor]

then what am I supposed to do with the bone shards

[steep jolt]

you use them to reload most red tools

a few can be reloaded in different ways like rosary cannon and plasmium phial

[spice cargo]

tools have limited ammo that you replenish with shards

but they help a ton

[leaden drum]

shell shards took me soo long to understand what they actually do

[normal bramble]

Reload tools

Honestly I thought bone shards were worthless for 99% of the game

[leaden drum]

fr

[spice cargo]

same bro

idk why it took so long to realize

[normal bramble]

Then only after I 100%’d the game did I find volt vessels + Curvesickle being fun as hell

And also realized “damn maybe I DO need Beast shards”

[leaden drum]

i dont know anyone who found volt nest on their own

[spice cargo]

and then you play architects and realize you really need them

[normal bramble]

I hate architects

[leaden drum]

ok

[normal bramble]

Tbh

[light swan]

average reaper crest user

[normal bramble]

Tool spam just isn’t for me

[leaden drum]

you do you

[light swan]

:( but it’s so cool

[leaden drum]

and so is reaper :)

[outer meteor]

ah I see

[rocky jolt]

you know its your choice to tool spam or not right

[light swan]

who said you had to toolspam to play archi

[outer meteor]

is the hp bar a mod u installed?

[light swan]

yea

[normal bramble]

Somehow this still looks like witch crest gameplay

[leaden drum]

i didnt use tools at all my playthorugh. i just used architects for damage boost. sumone said it had highest needle damage

[slim thorn]

im leaving poverty

[light swan]

because i’m a d1 witch player

[leaden drum]

cuz of the mirrors

[icy crow]

Since when does Architect buff Needle damage

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-reaper-crest-the-mist-greymoor-gif-13464358243469655364

[leaden drum]

idk i just heard it somehwere

[slim thorn]

no multibinder?

[slender juniper]

Since forever

[light swan]

the 2nd video had multibinder

[leaden drum]

so thats just not it

[icy crow]

Proof??

[light swan]

but i cut it out

i got some nice reaper clips now

[slim thorn]

but that was a single heal

[leaden drum]

you changed your name to join the good side?

[light swan]

thr first video was 1, the 2nd video was 2

[slender juniper]

0,9+0,1+0,1

[slender juniper]

Yes I downloaded mods

[light swan]

wait no

i dont think either of those are multibinder mb

[icy crow]

...yeah that's just the damage system for like half the crests

[slender juniper]

What

[spice cargo]

reaper has my 2nd favorite running attack

[icy crow]

Other crests also have specific attacks that deal more damage

Even then those buffs look so small compared to Hunter

[slender juniper]

Yeah no

[icy crow]

Iirc Beast does

[slim thorn]

its so grimm its amazing

[slender juniper]

Witch and architect are the only ones

Architects attacks do all more damage

[graceful cairn]

impossible...

[slender juniper]

Witch only pogo

[icy crow]

Buffs are lowkenuinely dogwater though

[slender juniper]

True

[graceful cairn]

why did monor drop his reaper hater title

[outer meteor]

yo

where can I send pictures?

btw do I buy a map for the area after lace or nope

[distant heath]

you need a number of msg to send imgs

[outer meteor]

im in an area with a bell and it says i could insert 40 rosaries, do I insert?

[slender juniper]

Mods

[outer meteor]

is it ok if i spend rosaries to buy a map for all areas or no need

[fervent wharf]

aye wheres the last mister mushroom location

[distant heath]

it is recomended to buy all the maps

if u are not speedrunnig of course

[outer meteor]

do they allow a blind playthrough without a guide

btw im in area with a bell and i got an option to insert 40 rosaries, do I do it?

[slim thorn]

if you are new i reccomend #sk-help

spoilers are tagged there

[distant heath]

yes, probally a bench

[outer meteor]

oh ok, thanks

[outer meteor]

nah it doesnt look like one

can I dm you a picture

[distant heath]

yes

guys, I need to send a lot of msg to be able to vc

lets talk

[versed pollen]

Is your name a reference to the GNU project

[distant heath]

ah, no lol

[versed pollen]

Upsetting

[distant heath]

my name is Gu

and GuNoPC means Gu on Computer, in portuguese

[versed pollen]

GNU PC

[soft sparrow]

gu who is new who is you?

[distant heath]

I dont understand that sentence but Im Gu

[rocky jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1122196452182085712/1122650297148395540/caption-1.gif

[frosty light]

theyre both green

[soft sparrow]

wiped windows 11 from my laptop. official linux user now

microsoft stank

[frosty light]

i have to know does this have a source from somewhere else

[versed pollen]

It sounds like something someone would say about a Terraria mod

[keen solstice]

Not really no not even close beast is literally easy mode

[keen solstice]

... How do you take so long on high halls while using beast crest, the literal best crest for it and completely destroys it

😭

[versed pollen]

I would make fun of you but I already talked about GNU so you would know I'm lying and making shit up

Which distro did you choose

[zinc wharf]

So there’s 6 connections to Whispering Vaults that ignore Cogwork Dancers. Of those, 2 are almost certainly impossible (marked with an X), 2 rely on hitting switches from behind a gate, which doesn’t seem likely but might be worth thinking about (marked with a tilde), and 2 seem genuinely possible (marked with an asterisk). If anyone has any ideas on how any of these could be circumvented, please let me know.
Also, blue = breakable wall, purple = switch, green = movement-reliant.

[graceful cairn]

actually there isnt even an upwards transition from bilewater at all

[zinc wharf]

Yeah, that’s why it’s marked with an X

I tried it, got up to where the transition would be, and nothing happened.

[graceful cairn]

yup

[rocky jolt]

i think its from a roblox game idk

[zinc wharf]

It is by far the least plausible of the transitions to try and utilize because there is no transition. Nothing to do with it.

[light swan]

moon check thes out

[distant heath]

you are jump pogo, jump pogo, dash to down and repeat?

I almost cant understand what is happening

[rocky jolt]

bro js doing bullshit

[graceful cairn]

down dash in combat is crazy

[wraith python]

What even in the hell is that

[graceful cairn]

optimal reaper gameplay

[light swan]

pretth much

[near oriole]

is silksong actually worth buying? is it more difficult than hk?

[distant heath]

yes and yes

[near oriole]

okay... I will have to think more about it while I wait to get my allowance

[distant heath]

hornet is more complex to control I think, but it turn the gameplay so satisfactory when u learn it well

[wheat mango]

Beat GMS, the saddest boss fight so far for me, and Palestag recently

[near oriole]

nice

why was it sad?

[wheat mango]

It was Lost Garmond

[near oriole]

wait, isn't that the guy who is in the mine in hk just singing?

[distant heath]

imagine a dlc with lost trobbio

[wheat mango]

Only emoji that can sum up how I felt at that moment

[near oriole]

oh

[wheat mango]

Reason why it hurt personally was

1: Favorite NPC

2: Reminded me of my irl late grandfather

[near oriole]

ooh

[wheat mango]

That shit legitimately hurt and all I could say afterwards was just “team Cherry your days are numbered”

(Not seriously but it did hurt a lot)

[cosmic nest]

does hornet meow?

[near oriole]

what?

[cosmic nest]

There are extremely important conversations to be had right now

[wheat mango]

Ntm

I jus drew my self indulgent oc that’s his own granddaughter WHEN HER STORYLINE IS HER TRYING TO FIND HIM IN PHARLOOM

[rocky jolt]

lol

[near oriole]

rip

deserved ngl (from my experience)

[wheat mango]

Fuckin hated Zote

[normal bramble]

Beast crest simply just isn’t it for me I hate it so much

[near oriole]

does the player kill zote or do you just find him?

[normal bramble]

Maybe it’s the complete lag of a sensible pogo

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/sSleepyflowers/status/2036019117229253082

ss🌸ss |commissions closed| (@sSleepyflowers)

Father VS daughter

yes this is the pale king in his old form before changed to a smaller form!

X · Mar 23, 2026, 9:55 AM

[normal bramble]

(It’s completely the lack of a sensable pogo)

[keen solstice]

It's pogo is among the best pogos

[wheat mango]

He can be found dead after you get the mantis claw if you don’t save him from the vengefly king by then

[keen solstice]

Literally trivializes most air enemies especially high halls

[normal bramble]

This is like the take I agree with the least

[tight viper]

Nah down dashing is great

[normal bramble]

You can’t follow up crawline with beast pogo

[worldly lake]

everyone point and laugh

[normal bramble]

Due to just how much start up it has

Also the fact it has an hour of start up

[near oriole]

isn't the vengefuly king the fly thing that is holding zote in the mandibles?

[keen solstice]

Just use beast pogo instead it's an upgraded clawline

[tight viper]

You can adjust the pogo distance

[wheat mango]

Also be real did anyone here like

Genuinely struggle with the Palestag? Because I’ve heard ppl tell me it was hard and I beat it second try

[normal bramble]

Im used to crawline

[keen solstice]

Far larger hitbox with similar distance but much more safety

[normal bramble]

I’m a firm believer in crawline solves 9/10 issues you can ever have In silksong

10/10 with witch and cross stitch

[tight viper]

I died a few times to it because I was rushing the fight

[wheat mango]

Ah I just slipped out a few purple cogflies and some bola volts and that did it in fast

[keen solstice]

I rarely ever used clawline on my beast run because beast pogo is just safer, cheaper, and more likely to hit

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/ohKatnFchhE.gif

[normal bramble]

Beast pogo just feels so strange to me

[wheat mango]

I am surprisingly not an architect main

[keen solstice]

It has the same trajectory as a mid air dash

[normal bramble]

Having start up on a pogo and also it not being downwards just doesn’t register in my brain

[normal bramble]

In every scenario with that I just mentally want to dash and then pogo

[wheat mango]

I’m a witch crest main

[normal bramble]

Or crawline then pogo

[worldly lake]

same

[wheat mango]

I am trying out the shaman crest though and I don’t hate it

[normal bramble]

Depending on my altitude

Beast crest simply fucks with my muscle memory

In a way no other crest does

[keen solstice]

Well yeah it plays differently than all other crests

For starters you want to eat attacks for dinner

Compared to other crests where you want to avoid them

[normal bramble]

I play extremely defensively with beast

[keen solstice]

... Why

[tight viper]

Shaman is peak

[normal bramble]

Which probably isn’t the way to play it

[normal bramble]

Habit

[keen solstice]

That's the worst play to play with beasy

[normal bramble]

Why would you normally want to get hit

[keen solstice]

It's meant to be hyperagressive

[tight viper]

Beast doesn’t care about being hit

[normal bramble]

Unless I’m playing witch I’m making sure I’m not getting hit, my witch gameplay is a lot more active

[keen solstice]

Get hit>stay next to enemy>continue dealing damage>continue getting silk>bind again>continue getting hit and dealing damage>rinse repeat

[tight viper]

The bind is quick as a fox

[keen solstice]

Beast is basically wanderer on steroids

[normal bramble]

Just feels strange

To play like tha

[wheat mango]

tier list of crests based on how I use them

[normal bramble]

Which Yk beast crest isn’t for me

And at the end of the run I’ve come to the conclusion tha I think I’m fine with that

[wheat mango]

And that’s ok

[keen solstice]

An example of how beast crest is meant to be played
https://youtu.be/TQ_rh0kFqK4?si=8MlltfY5j9lBuwEU

[tight viper]

Smh this isn’t the Memorium roof clip

[keen solstice]

https://youtu.be/PsliqAAm3To?si=fPJuApibT0pxxr9u

[wheat mango]

It might’ve been because I was a liiiittle drunk but huge flea lowk was the happiest I’d ever felt playing this entire game in act 2 right after finding the beastlings

[light swan]

as a barbed bracelet user facetanking SUCKS

jk i facetank on every crest

[rose flax]

i fucking love the last judge

the judges were so imposing that i thought that they were mechanical at first during my blind playthrough

turns out the only actual mechanical enemies are complete fucking pushovers

[wheat mango]

I personally preferred Phantom’s fight but last judge was great too

Thuribles being used as weapons is a concept I’ve rarely seen

Also squirrms

[rose flax]

the last judge is like a peak cinematic trial which decides whether or not you're skilled enough to make it into the citadel

[tight viper]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-squirrm-wa-wawawa-gif-12363644283161346223

[rose flax]

phantom is like some mf who jumps you while your trying to sneak into the citadel via the less legitimate way

its like being caught slipping in an alleyway

[charred ruin]

i like phantom more cuz their theme is lowk fire

[wheat mango]

It’s so GOOD tho

[rose flax]

exactly

[tight viper]

Phantom is great

[wheat mango]

Love these little goobers

Legit the “wa” has become a stim

[charred ruin]

and also theyre not a huge fuck who constantly attempts to bodyslam you AND you get parry skill from them

[rose flax]

when i had to kill them for the journal entry, i began to highly doubt hornet's character development

why would hornet do this!!!111!!

[wheat mango]

I refuse to

[tight viper]

Bored

[wheat mango]

Idc about the journal entry

[charred ruin]

shes never developed to be nicer from hk to silksong have you seen how much she hates the craws and broodflies

[rose flax]

the huge fuck who tries to bodyslam you is intimidating as fuck and has a cool ass theme tho

[astral olive]

The Last Judge is the Best Boss to me entirely because of thematics.

The Last Judge is fair. It is the last rite of purity before entering the Holy City and it doesn't cheat pilgrims out, only delivering a trial of sacred combat where victory means purity and death means one is too weighed down by sin.

[wheat mango]

True

And is cool

[rose flax]

last judge reminds me of a more bulky version of undyne from undertale with a few changes

[wheat mango]

I really prefer the Crawfather in terms of judgment

[rose flax]

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BUT IM TOO TIRED TO HAVE FANCY WORDS 🔥

[wheat mango]

Court of Craws might be a favorite of mine

[tight viper]

I don’t blame her tbh, I would also beat up a bunch of baby animals for a cool sticker from an insane child that wishes to consume all life

[charred ruin]

cant she bodyslam someone her own size instead

[rose flax]

she cant find anyone her own size

[charred ruin]

fourth chorus

[rose flax]

that is NOT her own size 😭

[astral olive]

I honestly think Hornet walking the same harsh path the pilgrims take, enacting their liturgy and proving herself worthy in sacred combat before the Grand Gate is important for a first run. It gets the player, if they're actively engaged, in the mindset of a pilgrim, of holy struggle and divine worthiness, before the rot of the Citadel tears it away.

[tight viper]

I love Crawfather but holy hell I would greatly appreciate if those damn birds didn’t have such erratic flight “patterns”

[charred ruin]

and the other choruses since fourth implies there were at least 3 others and there are indeed at least another two lying around in underworks iirc

[rose flax]

EXACTLYYY

there are very few bosses where i can take the time to get chills mid-fight

those being lace 2, last judge, MAYBE phantom

[wheat mango]

I like the concept of the craw court being the opposite of the last judge. Both judgment yes, but different in execution.

The Last Judge is systemic judgment, judgment based in written law that has zero flexibility and has no gray area.

Craws though form judgment socially. BY those affected by one’s actions and punish however they see fit, which doesn’t always mean death. And it has moral gray areas in terms of being redeemable by the court instead of instantly being deemed guilty.

[tight viper]

I got chills during the Pinstress fight

[rose flax]

bro didnt have faydown cloak

[wheat mango]

The craws are also just super interesting to me

[tight viper]

Had to get it dry cleaned

[rose flax]

oh yeah that reminds me

if GMS was a little more difficult, it'd also be a boss that gives me chills

as it is a literal fucking god, with a kickass theme

[foggy tapir]

lace 2 before gms is

overhyping difficulty?
idk

cus holy shart bro

[rose flax]

her own daughter was tougher than her 😭

[wheat mango]

I paused the game to listen to her soundtrack

[ancient mortar]

It's not a trial by combat though, it couldn't be. The only person we see allowed to pass is Sherma, who could not have won the fight. Pilgrims are taught to be defenseless, they are forbidden from using weapons. A trial by combat wouldn't make any sense, the judges only attack those they seem unworthy, they haunting just makes them deem nigh everyone unworthy.

[foggy tapir]

grimm whenever he turns into a pufferfish 🤤

[worldly lake]

i mean if gms was insanely hard imagine getting twisted child

though yeah she could be harder

[foggy tapir]

lace DURING that fight

[foggy tapir]

is she a he wtf

[wheat mango]

Wait she was easy for yall?

[foggy tapir]

took me a couple attempts but yes

[tight viper]

GMS wasn’t too bad at all

[wheat mango]

Ah…

[rose flax]

https://tenor.com/view/dread-gif-9297534368979050018

[wheat mango]

Yeah no she took me a while

[tight viper]

Lace 2 was tough tho

[charred ruin]

gms took me 2 tries

[wheat mango]

Not as long as Groal but I digress

[foggy tapir]

nkg tho...

[tight viper]

NKG is free

[foggy tapir]

groal was not that bad imo

[rose flax]

half of the difficulty is trying not to get up and dance

[wheat mango]

It’s the gauntlet for me

[tight viper]

Just banish him smh

[foggy tapir]

grimmchild was too goober

[tight viper]

The fight is completely free if you do that

[foggy tapir]

imo tmg has a better theme

[zinc wharf]

Are there any ways to increase Hornet’s fall speed (without using downward attacks/Delver’s Drill/Snare Setter)?

[rose flax]

what does tmg mean again?

[charred ruin]

down dash

[zinc wharf]

Troupe Master Grimm

[worldly lake]

how it felt finally fighting someone without any god damn contact damage

[zinc wharf]

Other than that? It behaves really stupidly with ledges.

[wheat mango]

I hate having to make choices sometimes

[spark anchor]

Tailmaster’s Glory

[foggy tapir]

......brother.

[wheat mango]

I have no clue what order I wanna get the hearts in

[charred ruin]

shaman bind ig

[tight viper]

Go to a really tall room with shaman crest and enough silk for a bind. Jump up to the very top of the room, ensure you have a long open path beneath you, and hold the shaman bind

[ancient mortar]

Playing mio I've realized how important contact damage is. Because it's so easy to stand so close to a boss they can't hit you without it

[rose flax]

oh yeah continuing from this, either way Radiance was a better god fight, the buildup throughout the entire game was much better

[foggy tapir]

its usually in the order you progress in

[wheat mango]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-radiance-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-radiance-gif-1212652150997464963

[wheat mango]

Ah

[foggy tapir]

the intro cutscene was

absolute radiance...

[rose flax]

not to mention HK was much longer than silksong

[wheat mango]

I have heard stories of her

[foggy tapir]

a mans last words,
"what am i gonna fight, the sun?"

[zinc wharf]

No Shaman Crest on the file I’m doing this on (and I’m not going to Act 3), and it needs to be something that works RIGHT after an attack.

[rose flax]

so youd spend the whole game wondering what was causing the infection

[wheat mango]

The sun just spreads out wings and screams

[rose flax]

and finally find the source, knowing exactly what you have to do

[foggy tapir]

the radiance IS the sun goober

[wheat mango]

Ik

Just playing into the bit

[rose flax]

what if our sun IRL is just a sleeping god-moth

[charred ruin]

i dont think theres anything else that makes u go down faster besides the stuff we listed

[foggy tapir]

imagine if the surface on hollow knight was actually the surface
and the radiance was the sun

[zinc wharf]

Dang…

[wheat mango]

You’d think she’d have killed us by now

[rose flax]

but we havent forgotten her yet so she's chill

[foggy tapir]

the moon is the knight trust trust

[rose flax]

we see the sun everyday cuz we dont live underground

[wheat mango]

True

[tight viper]

Only thing that really fits this description is a standard down dash

What is this for anyways

[foggy tapir]

when she explodes however
thats when we gotta call the knight

[wheat mango]

Are they restraining her in solar eclipses

[tight viper]

Sounds like it’s for something specific

[charred ruin]

does silkspeed anklets increase down dash speed

[rose flax]

no

[charred ruin]

whoops wrong reply

[wheat mango]

Scuttle brace does

[rose flax]

anklets only increase speed on foot iirc

[tight viper]

Just airwalk smh

[zinc wharf]

I’m trying to get to Whispering Vaults without beating Cogwork Dancers. The room with the big wheel almost seems to work, but I barely can’t reach the wheel before it closes.

[rose flax]

anklets do absolutely nothing for air movement

[charred ruin]

yeahhh but that doesnt shoot you straight down normally it makes you sprint back no?

[rose flax]

i hate how fast you fall with scuttlebrace

0 reaction time as i plummet into spikes

[worldly lake]

plummet into spides

[charred ruin]

plummet into spiders (fuckass pharlids)

[heavy arch]

guys theres too much to explore in the choral chambers

what to do

[tight viper]

Do any tools activate the lever?

[charred ruin]

explore bilewater instead

[worldly lake]

plummet into spiders (fucking deepnest)

[heavy arch]

tf is bilewater

i came through last judge

[minor sparrow]

I just got Devon jumpscared

[worldly lake]

real sea of sorrows

[charred ruin]

get there thru sinners road and find out

or through the right of whispering vaults

[heavy arch]

i havent even explored sinners road

[zinc wharf]

For the record, this is the closest I’ve gotten to making the wheel work.

[worldly lake]

winners road :D

[charred ruin]

winner winner muckroach dinner

[astral olive]

It is a trial though. That those pilgrims who choose to sin fail proves their unworth. Where they worthy, they would succeed despite their sinful nature. Those who don't sin are let through without issue, those who sin are beaten untill they are worthy or dead.

Hornet succeeds despite her sinful nature and is let into the Holy City.

It's thematically important that it is seen as a legitimate and successful trial of worthiness so that the Citadel's situation hits the harder.

[glad quest]

why does the last judge say diarrhea

[last marten]

||It's impossible to get it to work without mods, the only way to get to that corridor normally is by exploring Cogwork Core||

[graceful oyster]

No, contact damage sucks We hate contact damage

[foggy tapir]

whta does this mean

[fleet zinc]

Do voltvessels trigger the lever? Or shaman charge attack from the left side of the entrance

[zinc wharf]

Is this the product of the game closing the wheel too fast for Hornet to do anything about it, or does getting in the wheel mechanically not work?

[zinc wharf]

Voltvessels don’t work, IDK about Shaman but it’s not really pertinent since I don’t intend to reach Act 3 in this file.

[last marten]

Your attack and movement speed slow when you actually hit the lever, you can't make it in time, I tried to do it myself to no avail

[foggy tapir]

u mean when she starts the fight?

[fleet zinc]

Ah. I do think the shaman thing might have a chance, if anyone here has a file they’d be open to trying rn. I can’t rn

[charred ruin]

what crest has the longest vertical range

[ancient mortar]

Ah I thought you were saying ALL pilgrims were attacked, not just the ones already deemed impure.

Though I will say I very much doubt pilgrims were expected to survive once judged of having a sin. Their culture makes them nigh incapable of fighting back, having a weapon being considered sin and all. Maybe it was called a trial by the citadel but it's a glorified execution for pilgrims deemed unworthy.

[foggy tapir]

ask google

[light swan]

the games gotta be balanced around it

[worldly lake]

SPOILERS FOR ACT 7
||last judge says diarrhea in order to curse hornet so she can't fight silken shade lord sherma after fighting lace 14||

[light swan]

with mio, they pour all their boss design into what they fundamentally believe are important, which is the attacks themselves

[fleet zinc]

Pretty sure it’s shamans charge, which is why i recommended it. Might be wrong

[light swan]

accompanying that is clear telegraphs and a good critical path, etc

[ancient mortar]

There's like so many bosses in mio you can dodge their melee attack by standing really close to their face

[foggy tapir]

funny guy alert

[last marten]

This tbh, the pilgrims have no way to actually beat the Judge by following the rules, Hornet bests it because she's an outsider who seeks to bring the whole system down

[light swan]

thats less of a contact damage problem and more of a hitbox problem

there’s been only 1 boss i think doesnt benefit from NO contact damage in mio and it’s xerneas

[graceful oyster]

Doesn't benefit?

[last marten]

It's supposed to represent the inevitability of all's fate who are trapped by the system set by the Weavers, how you are doomed from the very start of your upbringing

[fleet zinc]

Hit boxes in hk are jank too though. I always play hit box only mod in class, as “it’s a project I’m working on in my computers class” and it feels so off

[ancient mortar]

Also if winning a fight judged hornet worthy, the judge would have submitted once they were felled, not try a last ditch kamikaze attack to prevent her entry. Or if you wanna read it another way judge kills themselves as they proved their unworthiness to defend the citadel because a sinner passed them

[graceful oyster]

You want contact damage?

[light swan]

wait wrong wording

doesnt benefit from NO contact damage

[light swan]

also for some of these i think its probably on purpose

[zinc wharf]

There’s also the connection near the Exhaust Organ that I’ve looked at. I’m on patch 1.28650, so I still have access to the Groal runback skip by using Voltvessels in Putrified Ducts, but that doesn’t work for the Exhaust Organ/Underworks/Vaults connection.

[light swan]

idk why but its pretty consistent which types of attacks its on

[glad quest]

yeah

[ancient mortar]

I think contact damage should be disabled during repositions but enabled during attacks

[torpid schooner]

I highkey do think that contact damage should be only one mask instead of two (on bosses that do two masks)

[foggy tapir]

i always heard-
-"DAS! la verrrdaaahhh"

[light swan]

it depends on the boss but i do not like that idea at all

pals does it and its shit there

[foggy tapir]

nkg

[fleet zinc]

In the sense of voided forms it makes sense but before is debatable

[astral olive]

Like I said, that they fail is on them. Were they worthy, they would succeed.

It is harsh, but entirely fair. They know not to carry weapons, not to covet and weigh themselves down with rosaries. Some don't, and are thus Judged and, rightfully by their doctrine, liturgy and faith, found wanting.

Those who chose to sin should have used those "advantages" to, much like Hornet, prepare properly for the road ahead and Judgement. Then they, like her, would succeed despite themselves.

[worldly lake]

what does phantom even do

[light swan]

she phants

[rigid berry]

In terms of boss fight or story?

[worldly lake]

if pilgrims try to cross from sinner's road does phantom try to stop them

or were they just chilling until they saw hornet and decided "fuck it we ball"

[tight viper]

Expels refuse from the Citadel

[astral olive]

Pilgrim's don't use sinners road. That is against liturgy.

[low wasp]

Apparently you can get muted for what you say in private chats

That's just dumb

[light swan]

well if it were private no one would find out and you wouldnt be muted

[worldly lake]

i thought i remembered reading that pilgrims that sin do try to go through sinner's road

[rigid berry]

She probably just kills anyone who makes it through Sinner’s road, although I doubt she ever had to face a situation like that until Hornet came along.

[astral olive]

And they are breaking liturgy.

Thus death

[worldly lake]

yeah but it's still an option isn't it

[rigid berry]

What’s liturgy

[astral olive]

No

[worldly lake]

either get killed by judge with big fire hammer

[tight viper]

Not in their eyes

[worldly lake]

or do something slightly sacreligious

[astral olive]

The right and customary actions of a religious doctrine or sect

[rigid berry]

Oh okay thanks

[worldly lake]

probably extremely sacreligious but

[last marten]

The system inside the Citadel is very rigid, harsh, and unforgiving. If they were caught entering anywhere that isnt the Grand Gate they would probably be executed on sight

[astral olive]

By their liturgy and doctrine they should die or prove themselves worthy before Judgement. That they choose to break liturgy is a stain on the Citadel that should not be.

[worldly lake]

yeah that's fair

[rigid berry]

And then get torn apart by muckroaches, muchroach handlers, get lost and killed by ghosts in the mist, get ripped apart by traps in the mist, or get killed by Phantom if you somehow manage to avoid all of that and stumble your way through the mist out of complete coincidence.

[charred ruin]

i just checked using the debug mod to freeze the game with hitboxes showing, the hitbox to prevent you from getting into the rotating passage activates the second an attack hits a lever so theres just no way

[light swan]

back in the good old days where my biggest worries was karmelita doing the splits

[rose flax]

i've noticed something funny

[ancient mortar]

A key point of the game is the unfairness of the religion. The faith is explicitly a trap to enslave pilgrims from the very beginning. Pilgrims are raised to be defenseless and use nothing to aid them and then expected to follow a deadly path full of predatory animals and brigands one that their survival is based entirely on luck. only to on arrival be executed for any perceived sin (while the actual sins are not clearly set in stone and we see pilgrims speculate about often. and it's left up to the judges judgement. Said to be whoever their sight seems impure. And it's clear the judges don't have magical sin vision.) pilgrims who do everything right are then allowed entry only to be sent to slave away in the underworks. working themselves to death in hopes of being seen by chance by those above and raised into the luxury (further enslavement) of the choir. Then to be turned into mindless machines if they are old or disabled. Theres nothing fair about the sin of infirmity.

[last marten]

Im fighting her now, ts is so ass 😭

[rose flax]

gms AND all weaver bosses like to play dead

[trim estuary]

woah this is like christianity

[rose flax]

like mother like daughter

[warm charm]

does randomizer exist yet

[last marten]

eeehhhhhhh

You could say that about any religion if you frame it right

[trim estuary]

can you stop throwing my comp games

[last marten]

I feel like this is gonna turn into a political discussion so mioving on

[rigid berry]

It’s like some kind of . . . Silksong

[worldly lake]

actually yeah that's fair

how would a regular pilgrim see the mist

[tight viper]

Silksong! Just a week away!

[spark anchor]

It’s barebones

[heady iron]

the city of steel game should be a criticism of fascism

[spark anchor]

Enemy rando still lacks a lot of enemies that should otherwise work outside of their arenas like pinstress

[charred ruin]

and if i tried to go into the corner squares with noclip i get pushed out

[warm charm]

alright, thank you

[versed pollen]

That would be lame and predictable

[rigid berry]

Team Cherry confirmed they probably won’t make another Hollow Knight game.

[heavy arch]

yo how am i supposed to go up im tryna get the area map for the slab

[spark anchor]

And the classic item rando is also very barebones

I’d wait a few more months

[tight viper]

What slab keys do you have

[warm charm]

TenshiThumbsUp

[rigid berry]

And what’s the problem with making a game criticizing Fascism?

[worldly lake]

you gotta draw your own frfr

[versed pollen]

It would be lame and predictable

I feel like I was pretty clear about that

[heady iron]

3rd hollow knight game will make fun of liberals

[worldly lake]

fascism is already objectively bad

[rigid berry]

Get map on bug body carve dead bug hidden away

[heavy arch]

slab keys?

[light swan]

pukinero

[heavy arch]

can someone just draw the path on this map

[rigid berry]

Yes, and so is religious oppression.

[worldly lake]

like the religious fanaticism in silksong is a problem that's prevalent in society today, even to a much lesser extent

[tight viper]

You can’t do much here right now, then

Certainly can’t reach the map

[heavy arch]

what are slab keys

[worldly lake]

but society today can already identify fascism as bad

[last marten]

You have to get caputred by a Slab fly outside (idk the chance of encountering one), and then explore the slab and obtain the keys to unloock the area more and more

[rigid berry]

And so it can’t be discussed?

[astral olive]

And all of that, to one of the faithful, is fair. That is struggle. That is worthiness.

You struggle to the Grand Gate. You struggle through the grim darkness and danger of the Underworks, you finally come into the Citadel proper purified and worthy of your place there, able to rise into high places of martial glory, or the quiet sanctity of the Whisoering Vaults, potentially even into the High Halls themselves. All the time knowing your place was earned in blood and deed.

[tight viper]

Items you need to explore the Slab

[rigid berry]

They’re guaranteed in a select few areas, and won’t respawn after being killed.

[worldly lake]

it should, but like

[heavy arch]

also how am i suppoesd to get to the cauldron

[worldly lake]

how do i put this

[light swan]

yea im never coming back

[heavy arch]

theres like a wall to the left side

[astral olive]

The machine is broken. But there was a time when it was not. There was a time when pilgrims flowed from below into the citadel, into glory.

Now is not that time as the machine of faith is broken.

[trim estuary]

it will do this by bringing back the void again

[spark anchor]

You have to enter underworks from the eastern side, from whiteward or trobbio

[heavy arch]

how am i supposed to go up and get to sinners road and explore more im confused

[light swan]

over by the left theres an unexplored place

[worldly lake]

fantasy games that are meant to convey a message about society are only really effective if they find parallels in modern society's problems, especially one that hasn't been widely recognized as a problem, like the religious fanaticism present in silksong

[spark anchor]

Do you have cling grip

[heavy arch]

yes

[spark anchor]

Go to the place illusion marked

[worldly lake]

however, most members of society has widely rejected fascism already

[heady iron]

so what you're saying is

[rigid berry]

Fair point, but I still think Fascism can be shown in the game through, possibly, how dictators rise.

[worldly lake]

it should be discussed, but allegories aren't quite the medium to do so

[heady iron]

more media should be criticising woke ideology

[rigid berry]

Idk, either way Team Cherry said they aren’t making another Hollow Knight game, or at least don’t plan to.

[light swan]

Hollow Knight: Lacelight

[worldly lake]

i'm gonna stay far away from that subject

[worldly lake]

that's a good one yeah

[rigid berry]

Also who do you guys think would be the main character of a Hollow Knight game set in the City of Steel, out of curiosity?

[tight viper]

Iron Man

[astral olive]

I honestly find Silksong's look at religious zealots fascinating because there's so many things that a modern audience will latch on to as parallels that only look like parallels at first glance but are actually entirely different because the Bugs of Pharloom are nothing like modern people.

[light swan]

fuckass wanderer pogo why am i so bad at this pogo

[cosmic nest]

hhuh???

[rigid berry]

(insert lobotomy image here)

[graceful oyster]

Captain Steel

[tight viper]

It’s a bad pogo

[heavy arch]

how am i supposed to go up there to get to the updraft thing

[cosmic nest]

surely im falling for ragebait but silksong is woke

[tight viper]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

[rigid berry]

Come back later.

[astral olive]

Extremely

[worldly lake]

good point

[heavy arch]

i need doulbe jump or cling grip

[rigid berry]

Then go get them.

[worldly lake]

very precise pogos

[last marten]

So many, nearly all who came to the gate are faithful, and have been raised and taught to be nothing but faithful for the entirety of their lives though. The point the game is trying to point is that you simply do not win in any way. The Last Judge is one of those endings, where after all their trekking, praying, faith, works, she condemns you to death and that's that. Passing the gate yet being enslaved to toil in the Citadel is another ending, where the bugs are still told they commit greivous sins and must toil and put themselves through suffering even more. Their faith is based of a lie, the Last Judge represents that by how she crushes so many despite their honest and best efforts to live out their faulty beliefs

[heavy arch]

i have cling grip

[scarlet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-yuorki-egyptian-speed-funny-gif-6210991462615795229

[cosmic nest]

Im sure you’re loving the new bundle its perfect for vyse

[last marten]

I don't even play Valorant

[trim estuary]

it’s actually grimwoke. hornet marries a woman but kills gay men for fun

[cosmic nest]

huh!!!’nbbvv??

[trim estuary]

can you stop throwing my comp games

[rocky jolt]

good heavens he is enormous

[graceful oyster]

I thinkies one of the reasons I like Mio's story better is it's not representative or allegorical of any real world things, it is just a good sci fi story. More of that please and thanks.

[last marten]

Who are you again

[candid kayak]

beast

[rigid berry]

I love killing gay men! (I’m a gay man please I’m joking)

[worldly lake]

hornet is racist she kills green people 😔

[heavy arch]

im so confused

[graceful oyster]

I'm racist I hate green

[trim estuary]

Hi so confused, I’m zip!

[last marten]

And homophobic, we literally watch her commit a hate crime

[cosmic nest]

I aspire to be like hornet just we can leave out the killing GAY men specifically… they ALL NEED TO GO.

[graceful oyster]

If I ever see a green person I'm breaking their nose

[trim estuary]

[rigid berry]

This is the villain of Hollow Knight: City of Steel, and he is Sherma’s father

[graceful oyster]

These are interpretations and cover like 1% of the game's story atmost

[trim estuary]

Uh oh

[cosmic nest]

ok but the idea that hornet doesnt like thw green prince/kills him for no reason is such bull he literally is miserable and wants to die

Karmelita, though….?

[rigid berry]

Hornet just hates the Irish

Honestly fair

[worldly lake]

what if they're green for an amazing reason

[cosmic nest]

hornet literally says “it’s hard to explain” to karmelita when she has all 3 hearts and challenges her

[graceful oyster]

Punctuation typo intended

[trim estuary]

I NEED TO HANG YOUR HEART ON MY WALL

[cosmic nest]

I saw someone say that the far fields would die if karmelita dies and i just like dont belive that?? They seem well off on their own

[trim estuary]

she should’ve just said that tbh

[heady iron]

Hornet just wants to be the only red bug in the kingdom

[graceful oyster]

I have an amazing reason to break a nose, so, it doesn't matter

[worldly lake]

"yeah gilly i'm gonna be real with you i don't even know why the fuck i did that"

[cosmic nest]

im READ AND YOUR REED

[rigid berry]

What if Hornet kills Karmelita even if she doesn’t have to because she’s secretly part Praying Mantis and was trying to marry her?

[graceful oyster]

Hornet is the Moon King

[last marten]

Most people are aware of that, we're just being silly cause funnee

[cosmic nest]

Phew

[trim estuary]

We gotta blame the player since Hornet doesn’t have a will

[heady iron]

green is a complementary color to red

[light swan]

karmelita scream skip without using sharpdart

[ancient mortar]

Again, as I said, it's not that. It's if you struggle through all that, and then the judges decide to kill you anyway based on an arbitrary standard. As said prior, the pilgrims don't actually know what they are being judged on precisely we see one state that it's a sin to wield a weapon, but what counts as a weapon? We see pilgrims bearing and throwing instruments, pilgrims using bellstaffs, and even pilgrims using pins as walking canes. All of these can be used as weapons. Beyond that every other sin is just the pilgrims speculating, stuff like "perhaps those rosaries will weigh you down on your climb" (notably from a guy who's trying to get you to give him your rosaries and is clearly trying to use the faith to convince you.) and beyond all that the faith is built on a lie explicitly and the pilgrims are unknowing sacrifices to a machine meant to bury the mistakes. That's not fair, the pilgrims never were told what they were getting into.

[cosmic nest]

gilly dont say a word about this just tell the ants she died from loneliness

[worldly lake]

why would chara make hornet do this 💔

[last marten]

Ngl tho I almost choked up when I beat the Clover Dancers

[light swan]

not the first person ive heard

[last marten]

Sans Undertale!?!?!1??!1?

[cosmic nest]

Only time silksong made me sad was ending 3 the whole last fight before and end shshh i can barely doing it no crying

[trim estuary]

i would’ve been sad but palestag gave me the ick

[worldly lake]

"i tried to ask her out and she ripped her heart out bruh"

[cosmic nest]

Why would gaster make friend make the knight make kris make the soul make chara make hornet do that

[last marten]

LMAO

[rigid berry]

Why would Grimroot make Hornet do that?

[cosmic nest]

no but like whats up with hornet just ripping the fourth heart out why not just.. let them live

[last marten]

Palestag was kinda annoying yea

[worldly lake]

why would jerry make gaster make friend make the knight make kris make the soul make chara make hornet do that

[cosmic nest]

do u have to kill the other person to leave the memory??

[trim estuary]

clearly not, Hornet doesn’t die when getting beaten up

[worldly lake]

no she could have walked out any time 💔

[trim estuary]

you can just elegy of the deep to get out i think

[worldly lake]

just walk the opposite direction

[trim estuary]

oh yeah that also

[worldly lake]

nah hornet genuinely went "proceed"

[terse cloak]

thoughts?

[terse cloak]

omg he groovin

[last canopy]

sea of sorrow after gta6?

[rocky jolt]

groal if he was even doper

[cosmic nest]

Take. That lantern off. Or you WILL DIE

[light swan]

whats the correct way to respond to karmelita's beast pogo

[worldly lake]

shawgrave route

[terse cloak]

WYM

[last marten]

The US will probably get a civil war before GTA6 drops

[cosmic nest]

lantern is fine on its own but with silkspeed anklets you’re gonna be losing silk more than you’d like

[terse cloak]

fine

[worldly lake]

rune rage

[graceful oyster]

I dash the other direction and then whiplash back for a sawtooth cross stitch

[ancient mortar]

Am I able to read this or is there spoilers

[safe solar]

cross stitch

[terse cloak]

im not using the anklets

[light swan]

no spoilers i think

[graceful oyster]

Oh yeah pretty spoilery

[graceful oyster]

No

[light swan]

ok what 😭

[cosmic nest]

Oh just used whatever then

[ancient mortar]

Getting mixed messages here

[last canopy]

least i want sea of sorrow out ;-;

[light swan]

dont read then

[graceful oyster]

It's contextual spoilers

[light swan]

i dont trust myself

[graceful cairn]

this first guy just saying shit bro

[trim estuary]

And I want Act 3 removed, but we don’t always get what we want

[last canopy]

is there any date for sea of sorrow dlc?

[rigid berry]

Why tho

[last marten]

Not rn

[trim estuary]

2026

[last canopy]

real

[last canopy]

what a genius

[rigid berry]

2026 or 2027

26 or 27

[last canopy]

bruh

[rigid berry]

6 or 7

[last marten]

"He's either right or wrong" ahh responses

[rigid berry]

67

[last canopy]

should i laugh?

[trim estuary]

2026-7!!!!!

[light swan]

mio spoilers SPOILERSS PSOSELIRSEIRLSIEIRLS for reference its about how ||robots are just expected to follow their mission and their traveller's purpose, aka they should be slaves||

[graceful oyster]

The first person came in and went pretty nuclear on how the story is pretty sick and twisted and their analysis completely trashes a lot of subtle evidence to the contrary.
Good analysis and I like to see it, but missing some key aspects.

[rigid berry]

No.

[trim estuary]

I’m a hater

[last canopy]

good

[trim estuary]

YES!!

[last canopy]

😭

[trim estuary]

Yall wanna see somethin

[worldly lake]

sans of karak

[brave geyser]

@crisp heron

[last canopy]

no

[graceful cairn]

well thats kinda what they were made for right

[rigid berry]

kitty

[brave geyser]

awww

[rigid berry]

KITTY

[last canopy]

woah why my cat with you

[brave geyser]

awwww

[trim estuary]

radiant car…

[ancient mortar]

My car is better as she has a radiant beam attack

[cosmic nest]

Wait a minute

[last canopy]

can i steal it pleasee

I WON'T EAT IT

[rigid berry]

I’d send pics of my cat but I have no image send perms

[ancient mortar]

She bites

[last canopy]

i bite

[ancient mortar]

She is stronger

[last canopy]

i'm stronger

[light swan]

i dont like partaking in those conversations

[brave geyser]

you can't win

[worldly lake]

how you don't have a mouth

[rigid berry]

My own cat Lucy was deadass chewing on some of my cords and sitting on my clothes earlier bro

[last canopy]

nah i'd win

[tough hamlet]

Hey bishes!

[brave geyser]

gato

[cosmic nest]

This is heavy spoilers so ill censor it but || if gms wants to bind hornet for her strength then why does she attack hornet using the haunted pilgrims||

[ancient mortar]

If you guys are discussing mio stuff pls spoiler tag it

[light swan]

but i think thats the same as saying ||that's the slave's purpose|| thing

[last canopy]

nah just look to my eye

[tough hamlet]

hey bitches

[light swan]

yea we are :D

[ancient mortar]

Aww

[brave geyser]

what up hoe

[cosmic nest]

Sm1 help me out here pls

[graceful oyster]

I have a ~300 image folder of cat pictures of my cat

[terse cloak]

i have a new favorite area

sands of karak

[last canopy]

insane

[worldly lake]

did she???

[last canopy]

i have only 1

[light swan]

i just did another sentinel gif thing

[rigid berry]

I can’t believe that in Act 3 Hornet ||said that she was a Lesbian and kissed 67 women||

[worldly lake]

wasn't gms honk shooing

[light swan]

but its not as good

[last canopy]

sadly can't upload it here

[brave geyser]

Forwaded it to sk lore

[tough hamlet]

nothing much whtbu

[last canopy]

for everyone PLEASE DON'T CLICK IT YOU WILL GET SPOILED

[cosmic nest]

||she was still conscious just stuck inside the cocoon and using the haunted to do her bidding, iirc thats how phantom got all their silk despite gms being in the cocoon and lace not existing||

[light swan]

cross stitch spam is CRAZY, anyway heres another karmelita hitless

[last canopy]

and u proly you will dieby cringe

[light swan]

tom is gonna hate me lol

[worldly lake]

i see i see

[astral olive]

Their faith is built on the Citadel. That it is glorious and better than their lot. That if they be free of sin they will be let through the doors to the Holy City and live forever in peace and plenty. That was truth. Those who enter the Holy City were told that if they work they will be risen to the Citadel proper. That was truth.

That is no longer truth because the machine is broken, stopped in its tracks and endlessly grinding its useless gears thanks to the failings of the most high in the Choir, but it was not a lie.

Harsh, Monstrous and devouring, but not a lie.

[brave geyser]

Bored as hell

[cosmic nest]

Also are you aware of the secret ending that isnt in the game technically

[rigid berry]

I can’t believe that Lace said ||“I’M LACING IT” and silked everywhere||

[ancient mortar]

The weavers described the pilgrims as caught in their web unknowing

[tough hamlet]

real

[cosmic nest]

when. Lace kills hornet in true ending and all the weavers come back and have a pilby funeral for her

[worldly lake]

wait what

[light swan]

juicy gauntlet too

ok some clips of the best crest and i’ll be off to hw

[astral olive]

And they were. ||That they were parts in a trap for a Goddess was unknown to nearly all||.

That has little to do with their faith in the Citadel itself.

[worldly lake]

w reaper crest

[ancient mortar]

Also pilgrims don't know about gms or what the pilgrimage is really for. They are taught it's for a holy purpose when really they are just sacrifices. They are turned into machines if they get ill or disabled.

[graceful oyster]

||Crow|| (Mio boss) might be the best early game boss I've seen yet

[light swan]

grynne im a little concerned

[graceful oyster]

Hi a little concerned

[light swan]

reaper can spogo too

[graceful oyster]

Sideways?

[light swan]

albeit its much worse at it but it can

[cosmic nest]

Ok so spoilers ||originally if you never got all 5 bell shrines but got to gms you would just lose when you try to bind her because originally the bells were meant to weaken her because silksong lolol and instead of hornet binding gms, gms binds hornet and starts haunting bugs outside of pharloom and leads them into her thrall||

[light swan]

watch the 2nd video @graceful oyster

[cosmic nest]

She also looks really badass

[tough hamlet]

yoo have you seen EX-1170? hes been pissing me off i can't find him

[light swan]

so now its beast AND reaper, and on occasion hunter

[graceful oyster]

I see

[ancient mortar]

Anyway I gotta head out for now

[worldly lake]

damn i did not know that

[lavish apex]

i have no feelings towards him other than that his theme is a banger and the fight is too short to hear most of it

[tough hamlet]

yoo have you seen EX-1170? hes been pissing me off i can't find him?

[graceful oyster]

Almost everyone I've seen fight him goes through the whole theme