sk-discussion

[smoky bridge]

Yeah you are right thanks.

[stiff night]

lol same

[earnest drift]

lace doesn't care about gms
she just wants her attention

[versed current]

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[earnest drift]

but instead she walked right up there to confront gms

[smoky bridge]

She probably mainly wants to be seen as a successful one, so she can stay alive.

[steep jolt]

chat download ssmp architect and ultimate chicken spider mods lets play 🔥

[earnest drift]

could lace have just jumped hornet while she was still in her cage

no need to free her

but could she stick her pin through the cage to kill her

and if the haunted choir sees her would that mean gms would see her killing hornet

[smoky bridge]

I really like Lace rescuing hornet in the cradle cause it has multiple interpretations and they are all fun in their own ways.

[smoky bridge]

Yeah she needed to be low-key about it, hence the silkfly maneuver.

[steep jolt]

didnt she kick hornet off so she could bind to gms but failed

[fathom iris]

yeah but she probably like the thrill of the hunt or to play with her food ( i know thats cheesy but theres no other way to describe it 😢 )

[earnest drift]

lace rescues hornet a second time because she's now lost all hope of waking up gms and getting her attention
so instead she vents it all out onto gms
"you want your weavers so much?! well not this one!! also let's drown together in the endless sea of emptiness"

[smoky bridge]

And then GMS is in "OH SHIT, OH FUCK, OH SHIT" mode, so she feels permitted to stir shit up.

[steep jolt]

didnt gms want to bind to hornet

[earnest drift]

this is implied when she says she wants to savour hornet's struggle to the citadel

[smoky bridge]

It is very much a last fuck you to GMS for ignoring her/not giving her enough

[earnest drift]

i think it's a bluff though, lace is desperately hoping hornet will give up and leave pharloom, because she knows she's not strong enough to kill hornet

[smoky bridge]

And again, the resentment.

[fathom iris]

yeah like NOW she cares about lace when theyre both drowning in a pit of darkness 😭

and den lace still mad 🙏

[smoky bridge]

I agree. She does drop the mask and start getting super self depreciating the second she's on her last leg

(It is basically her on deathbed)

If Hornet kills GMS, lace has no reason to believe she could find a way to stay alive.

As far as she's aware she's dead either way.

[smoky bridge]

I do feel like this is at least partially instinctual. This is her last kid and she's gonna die. And she has a strong need to have one.

[spark anchor]

why does gms have both arms

[steep jolt]

who wants to play ultimate chicken spider

[deft axle]

So uhh I found this place called the mist, should I continue exploring or not? I'm still in act 1 and haven't beaten last judge

[earnest drift]

did you beat widow

[deft axle]

The one with the needolin? Yea

[earnest drift]

use it near the silkflies, they will fly in the correct direction

[tacit relic]

It not working, what am I doing wrong?

[earnest drift]

are you holding down

[meager swan]

The Mist is just an alternate path to get to ACT2 if you don't want to fight Last Judge

[tacit relic]

Nope.

[earnest drift]

you need to

[tacit relic]

Wow...

[deft axle]

Yeah I hate the judge, imma do that

[earnest drift]

personally i think the mist is more difficult than last judge

[fluid marlin]

whens the silksong godhome dlc i dont wanna download mods to replay bosses and im too lazy to make new saves

[earnest drift]

at least the mist + the boss at the end is harder than last judge

[meager swan]

Tbh, the mist is hard, the boss is easier. Last Judge is more so fair considering they have four very readable attacks

[still osprey]

The spin being the most untelegraphed attack in the game next to Signis's slash and Summoned Saviour's dash:

[meager swan]

Funny how TC was able to balance entering ACT2 between the two paths so well

[analog mist]

the hollow knight has daddy issues
Shakra has mommy issues
Lace has mommy issues
sure are a lot of issues in this series

actually I don't think shakra has mommy issues

[earnest drift]

does hornet have any parental issues

[earnest drift]

she does

[analog mist]

she does have two mothers

[earnest drift]

she's fine with herrah, vespa and white lady, and she never cared about pale king

i think she's doing well

[analog mist]

well her mother went to sleep forever

[meager swan]

Really? I find that the easiest telegraphed attack next to the jump + slam. The throw seemed more harder to me on my first playthrough

[quartz gulch]

The Hollow Knight doesn't have daddy issues.
Shakra's mom is never mentioned?

[earnest drift]

although her view on herrah might have changed once she saw what she did in pharloom

[analog mist]

shakra's mentor was like a mother to her or smth

[earnest drift]

shakra says her mentor was a mother to her, and much more of a mother than her actual mother

[analog mist]

also isn't the hollow Knight's daddy issues like the whole problem of the game

the reason why the pure vessel isn't pure

[steep jolt]

pls play chicken horse spider with me im so boredd

[steep jolt]

wanting to love someone is not a daddy issue

[quartz gulch]

How so? She understands the neccessity of the sacrifices made by Pale King and White Lady, as well as being thankfull for the life Herrah gave her (as in, giving birth to Hornet).

[analog mist]

guess that's fair

[quartz gulch]

That isn't an issue though. Just because they were very close, closer than her biological parent was to her, doesn't mean they hate each other.

[analog mist]

all the weavers have mommy issues (except widow I guess)

[quartz gulch]

"I want to protect the Kingdom for my father"
Yeah you have daddy issues

???

[steep jolt]

guys please

[still osprey]

If you're ready for it then yea it's fine but if you're standing next to her slashing and you're not expecting it, it WILL hit you

[fathom iris]

i genuinely rawdogged the mist, i just went whatever way i felt like an after an hour of trying i got to exhaust organ

[quartz gulch]

Widow has sister issues, very very bad issues too

[steep jolt]

eh

you did have needolin right

[spark anchor]

isn't mist unsolvable without needolin

[fathom iris]

yup

[fathom iris]

yeah

[quartz gulch]

Can you do that? I thought the rooms only aligned if you used the needolin, since I took a similar route to the right one before understanding the puzzle for the first time.

[fathom iris]

apparently you can

[reef basalt]

Does she?

[still osprey]

Yea it won't let you progress at all if you don't have needolin

No matter what you choose it will always be wrong

[quartz gulch]

That is her, having her mask removed by her sisters. That might be an issue.

[meager swan]

You need Needolin to complete it. They coded it so you are incapable of completing it without it

[quartz gulch]

I'm pretty sure it is, otherwise you could skip Widow which is neccessary for Act II normal route.

[quartz gulch]

Thanks for the confirmation then. Makes sense considering Last Judge requires it.

[analog mist]

oh yeah right definitely

[reef basalt]

Omg that's widow??

[fathom iris]

from my experience, you have to have the needolin ability unlocked but you dont need to use it at all

[hybrid flare]

why the fuck was this cut

[analog mist]

I just realized that it was her sisters who bound her silk and removed her mask??

[hybrid flare]

theres some cut content in this game that perfectly could fit in

[quartz gulch]

Yep, these are the sprites for a cut animation/cutscene where you witness the removal of her mask.
EDIT: This is the silk syphon from the Whiteward btw.

[quartz gulch]

Could've been too gruesome or just too unfitting for the flow of the game. Originally the needolin wasn't retrueved from Widow, so she may have had this instead after defeat.

[meager swan]

While every other Weaver turned against GMS, Widow was devoted to her. Can't as easily rebel if one of your kin could cause discord.

[analog mist]

thats... kinda sad....

[quartz gulch]

Yes, why was my boy Reed cut from Act3? And why does he have so many animations anyway?

[hybrid flare]

this would've fit in perfectly

[analog mist]

I kinda don't even know how to feel about it

[hybrid flare]

the morally questionable acts in this game are already shown

[kindred hatch]

I would like to see some spider gore

[quartz gulch]

You would need a new location for the Needolin though. Unless you could get the memory at the Whiteward by the silk syphon, which I agree would be sick.

[fathom iris]

they replaced him with lost lace

[hybrid flare]

You could use that as a flashback from widow what

[quartz gulch]

Capitalism.

[steep jolt]

there was meant to be a secret place you could silk soar to go to his house, idk why they got rid of it some of it is still in the game files

[hybrid flare]

im 100% sure its a prominent memory of hers

[reef basalt]

Is this real?

I don't know a lot abt the cut contents for silksong tbh

[hexed sonnet]

architect crested the shit boss that was palestag

shame that there cant be more than 4 cogflies at once

[analog mist]

it was really sad to see twelfth architect go

[spark anchor]

he could have just stayed in bellhart and never exit

[analog mist]

am I even saying it's name right

[quartz gulch]

I know, hopefully they could bring him into See of Sorrows because:

Reed > Pondcatcher > water > Sands of Karak > water redirected to citadel > citadel > Grand Reed (>Reed???) > Voided > void strings > Act3 > depression > Sorrow > Sea of Sorrow

[spark anchor]

it was for the best, they really were not meant to last long

[hexed sonnet]

i looked up a guide for the location of the timer things for green prince and im about to have the worse time of my life

[runic quail]

Do y’all think they’ll release the Sea of Sorrow trailer on their 9th anniversary?

[hybrid flare]

reed sidequest about catching size 2 fish

[fathom iris]

whens the anniversary?

[spark anchor]

sea of sorrow may be next week or in april

[hexed sonnet]

9 is an odd number so they'll drop it on the 10th anniversary

[quartz gulch]

Unrelated, but another thing that pisses me off is the tools of the Pondcathers. You know, they use these javelins/spears that you can also obtain. However they can one-hit the Pondskippers, while you can't. Even on max tool damage. WHY??? How could they miss this detail?

[spark anchor]

they're built different

[fathom iris]

10 is so close to 11 but 11 is odd but 12 looks ugly but 13 is unlucky and 14 is so close to 15 soo they are probably just gonna release the trailer on the 15th anniversary

[runic quail]

But it would release in 2026…

[runic quail]

Idk

[steep jolt]

here i got some footage of reeds secret house

[quartz gulch]

I know, but that isn't a good enough reasoning for me. The design is still inspired, the only difference is the material being metal (shell shards can be metal, bone and wood) instead of wood and metal. I don't even use the tool, but that just pisses me off for no reason.

Also really dumb how the tiny straight pin does more damage than the long, difficult to throw longpin.

[analog mist]

wait a damn minute

did lace free hornet?

[hybrid flare]

wait you cant one tap pondskippers?

[steep jolt]

they r using pollip pouch

[analog mist]

I lowk still wonder why hornet was even freed in the beginning of the game
it couldn't have been a coincidence

[spark anchor]

yes

[hybrid flare]

It is implied that lace did

[spark anchor]

it's so obvious man

[meager swan]

At the beginning? Unconfirmed, but common theory amongst the community due to the Deep Docks encounter and Lace heavily not wanting Hornet to get to GMS

[analog mist]

ooooh thats fucking crazy

[fathom iris]

most likely, because a silkfly destroys the bind of hornets cage and when you first encounter lace, she is conducting silkflies and seems to know about what happens with the cage, also if you skip lace 1, you'll see her at the bridge where hornet was freed. (if you dont go to sinners road first.)

[quartz gulch]

Pollip does damage over time, which is opposite to one-tapping.

[quartz gulch]

I would've been satified with just him being there at all. Or at least his body.

[hybrid flare]

tc otw to cut shit that would've been so good

[hexed sonnet]

what are these fountains in lost verdania

[fathom iris]

if you collect enough of those white orbs at the fountains and statues youll unlock the way forward

[hexed sonnet]

lost verdania is bilewater level bad with prettier colours omfg

[fathom iris]

????

[next tendon]

Tf do you mean

[fathom iris]

verdania aint in the same ballpark as bilewater

[still osprey]

Neither of them are bad both are actually really cool areas

The only truly bad area in this game is ducts

[next tendon]

I mean bilewater...

Oh yeah true

[hexed sonnet]

id say whiteward as it is the most dull and boring part

[fathom iris]

exactly

[fathom iris]

i found whiteward fun and creepy

[still osprey]

Whiteward is cool af hello

[hexed sonnet]

i got flashbanged i guess green prince is unlocked

[still osprey]

It nails the vibes

[hexed sonnet]

wouldve been nicer if it was bigger

theres no enemies pretty much, theres the guys with big swords and the guy with bandage on his face

every other enemy is behind a room

[still osprey]

Also Unravelled is an extremely overhated boss it's really not bad at all

It's not great but there's nothing really wrong with it

[fathom iris]

they kept it short and sweet cus they probably didnt have too many ideas with it and didnt want it to go stale, its more of an entrance to the cauldron but still cool

[hybrid flare]

yeah bilewater tops verdania

because verdania is unfortunately a big nothingburger

[hexed sonnet]

defeated first try

[still osprey]

Verdania is honestly one of my favorite areas in the game

[hexed sonnet]

just spammed wanderer

[hybrid flare]

there are quite a few things that suck about the boss, but i agree it's veeeery overhated

[fathom iris]

broooo i love verdania

[exotic cedar]

Annoying enemies and bad bosses is what verdania is

[hybrid flare]

I mean sure you can love verdania but it's not great

[hexed sonnet]

verdania has platforming which i hate lmao but it does look amazing

[hybrid flare]

there are things to love about the zone after all

[fathom iris]

palestag sucks but you can skip them and do different things to get to the end

[hybrid flare]

you cant i think

[exotic cedar]

id rather do the palestag rather than the gauntlet

[still osprey]

Palestag is not that bad tbh just use clawline and voltvessels

[fathom iris]

the worst part is those teleporting dudes and that you go back to the start when you die

[hexed sonnet]

palestag sucks ass i wouldve skipped all of verdania if i didnt spam cogflies and sickle

[fathom iris]

you actually can if you do that big room where you have to parkour across the flying enemies

[knotty yoke]

I did palestag needle only because I don't use any red tools 😔

[still osprey]

You can, Palestag is completely optional

[hybrid flare]

fuck

[still osprey]

It's one of the 3 bosses that you can actually miss

The other 2 being Garmond and Shakra

[hybrid flare]

i had no idea

[slender elk]

Why is everyone saying palestag was difficult? For me it was the easiest boss in the game

[knotty yoke]

I think Garmond is a lot more easier to miss

[hybrid flare]

not difficult, bad

[tribal scroll]

It's not hard, just tedious

[still osprey]

Garmond is the easiest to miss by far

[knotty yoke]

It is annoying

[hybrid flare]

yeah

[tribal scroll]

Teleporting bosses are all meh

[slender elk]

It wasnt really tedious for me at all but i guess?

[hybrid flare]

first sinner, lost lace:

[knotty yoke]

Soul master: (I hate hate hate hate this guy)

[hybrid flare]

phantom:

[fathom iris]

even if they're easy, they're still tedious and boring

[hexed sonnet]

wait why is one of the prince transparent?

[hybrid flare]

he forgot

[still osprey]

He's dead

[hexed sonnet]

damn

[pure shoal]

I liked soul tyrant more

These 2 bosses actually didnt spam tp like shakra

[slender elk]

i liked the shakra boss

[fathom iris]

shakra pissed me off so much 😢

[hybrid flare]

same

[slender elk]

Helped me beat lost lace, unironically

[pure shoal]

I hated shakra fight

[knotty yoke]

Ye for me soul tyrant is better than soul master

[mystic chasm]

i despise soul tyrant, hk’s palestag definitely

[tribal scroll]

First sinner works in a way that palestag doesn't. Idk how to explain it

Maybe it's the arena size

[hexed sonnet]

silksong gonna be the first game my kids will be playing

[devout oracle]

ok, i managed to only stagger karmelita twice, with a polliped up flea brew

[mystic chasm]

its just the regular boss but he teleports a shit ton aand attacks more so you cant get any hits in

[knotty yoke]

First sinner isn't annoying and boring like palestag

[fathom iris]

they have interesting attacks

[hybrid flare]

The boss is well designed and doesnt leave lingering projectiles that cover your clawline hitbox

plus the boss, actually attacks you yk

[devout oracle]

staggering her the 2nd time feels like progress

[slender elk]

Idk i liked palestag it was chill

[knotty yoke]

What abou hollow knight?

[deft axle]

Y'all how do I navigate the mistt

[pure shoal]

I mean palestag dosent have any attack variety
Its just so boring

[knotty yoke]

Use the needolin on the silk flies and follow them

[deft axle]

Wait was it that easy?

[pure shoal]

Use the needolin near the silk flies

They will guide u to correct passage

[hexed sonnet]

silksong has a more sense of direction i would say and even while not knowing what to do there's always a general direction

[hybrid flare]

Playing hk first is a much better experience

[slender elk]

Agreed

[pure shoal]

Yep

[deft axle]

True

[slender elk]

Also, did anyone else find the diagonal pogo of silksong easier than the vertical of hollowknight?

[knotty yoke]

No

[deft axle]

No?

[knotty yoke]

I love hollow knight pogo

[hybrid flare]

so you know what's up and you arent constantly lamenting not being able to sprint

[hexed sonnet]

no but its not bad either

[still osprey]

I don't get why people like First Sinner but hate Palestag when they're practically the same boss. First Sinner is probably worse tbh due to the 2nd phase and the amount of hp she has dragging the fight on for much longer

[dire jacinth]

I found palestag harder than clover dancers

[pure shoal]

I main wanderer because of that diagonal pogo

[hybrid flare]

CLAWLINE

we js saying shit now

first the all crests are bad, then this

[dire jacinth]

Palestag feels repetitive, slow and frustrating

[pure shoal]

I thought first sinner was good

I mean good but yeah thats it

[dire jacinth]

I never use clawline and even then

[regal gust]

I didn’t find the pogo easier but I did find it more fun (I know I know).

[pure shoal]

I didnt hate palestag but felt boring

[hybrid flare]

FS is pretty great but she's not in my top 5

[fathom iris]

yeah i like how you get an overarching quest immediately in silksong and not 5 hours into the game like hollow knight, i think hk would've been better if you found the dreamer shrine thing at the end of kings pass because you end up ust feeling really lost until resting grounds

[exotic cedar]

I made something, its amazing
Nature is amazi

Fuck WHERES the image

[hybrid flare]

I found my way in pretty quickly idk how people get lost

[knotty yoke]

First sinner is amazing to fight, palestag is just annoyin and teleporting away when you finally get to them

[pure shoal]

Idk i really liked the exploration in hk coz i didnt know what i was doing

[exotic cedar]

My internet is bad as fuck

[slender elk]

i always found the diagonal easier to grasp than hollowknights vertical

Also i liked palestag and first sinner. Honestly being able to interrupt FS’ heal was the best feeling

[still osprey]

No one uses clawline in combat

[fathom iris]

they go to other areas before resting grounds, its a metroidvania after all

[pure shoal]

Oh wait i know exactly what palestag is in hk
No eyes

[exotic cedar]

Act 1 exploration is like kinda linear

[hybrid flare]

even without going to resting grounds

[hybrid flare]

you are a lobotomite

[exotic cedar]

You can also use dash attacks

[dire jacinth]

I don’t and even I know that’s wrong

[fathom iris]

yeah that is true but its also why like 50% of players quit before it gets good

[dire jacinth]

someone else who uses that term
what

i never thought I would see the day

[exotic cedar]

Palestag also blocks the way with its projectiles lol

[still osprey]

Ragebait successful thanks everyone

[exotic cedar]

That's what makes it so fucking annoying

[slender elk]

Idk i just dashed at palestag and it was pretty fun

[knotty yoke]

If you don't be cautious then palestag can corner you with the projectiles

[molten vale]

Can someone gift me silksong

[slender elk]

I guess im just easy to please

[fathom iris]

i would but im broke cus of steam sale

[hexed sonnet]

yea there was a point in hollow knight where i had deepnest crystal peak city of tears 2 and also hornet 2 unlocked at the same time so it felt really confusing for me

i like a sense of direction when im doing something

[molten vale]

:3

[fathom iris]

yeah, i love how act 1 is very linear and its hard to get lost, and once you have a set in stone objective in act 2, the game opens up so much

[knotty yoke]

Act 2 is lowk the best act in silksong

[dire jacinth]

it also guts replayability through

[hexed sonnet]

highkey

[exotic cedar]

Silksong doesn't have much replayibilty it sucks

Main problem is act 1 exploring, wishes and act 3

[dire jacinth]

Wishes are fine

Outside of Dark Hearts

[exotic cedar]

They are very borinf

[dire jacinth]

You kinda get most of them as you play though

[fathom iris]

thats true, its less replayable than hollow knight ig but i dont really have that problem cus you can take sinners road route if youre getting bored

[slender elk]

I kinda liked the wishes

[exotic cedar]

Not when you breeze thru the game

[dire jacinth]

The problem is the game up to widow though

[hybrid flare]

true

[dire jacinth]

When you’ve fought the same 4 bosses 60 times it gets boring

[hybrid flare]

i mean, its really not that linear, theres always the mist route

[fathom iris]

wishes and shell shards are the worst things in the game and it really sucks, silksong would be practically perfect in my eyes if they found a solution to those problems.

[slender elk]

idk for me the problem is bloody moss grotto… if i lose my steelsoul run one more time and have to see that green nightmare again

[hybrid flare]

wishes are fine, shell shards on the other hand

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 requirements are ass

[slender elk]

shell shards were never an issue for me idk man

Maybe its cuz i dont rlly use tools

[exotic cedar]

Wishes would be better in my eyes if the rewards were more worth it

[slender elk]

I usually just use the needle and silkskills and forget about tools tbh

[dire jacinth]

You do the same thing up to widow every single time

[knotty yoke]

If you use lots of tools and got into act3 with just a few rosaries and shell shards you are doomed

[exotic cedar]

When talking about wishes no one really mentions the rewards

[hybrid flare]

i always was in need of money so they came in hand

[fathom iris]

the worst thing about replaying for me is the game up to swift step. it feels like such a chore to get through and is awful for steel soul. after that i always enjoy it, even if ive played it loads of times before

[exotic cedar]

What i did for money was just to enemy farm

[fathom iris]

ikr

[hybrid flare]

dont act like hollow knight's any different

the worst thing about replaying is the moss grotto cramps LET ME GOOO

[slender elk]

oh my gods this is so real, up to swiftstep is a genuine nightmare

[hexed sonnet]

moss grotto isnt that bad

[slender elk]

REELEEEAAASEEE MEEE

[hybrid flare]

the cramps are

[exotic cedar]

I don't remember wishes giving me the amount of rosaries i needed

[dire jacinth]

you can get dash + wall jump in idk 40 minutes? and that unlocks a good 80% of the map

[slender elk]

Moss grotto isnt bad until you’ve seen it 60 times because you keep dying stupidly in steelsoul

[hexed sonnet]

after getting swiftsep genuinely never walked normally again

[slender elk]

thats so real

[hexed sonnet]

just savequit

[dire jacinth]

in hollow knight you dont need a instrument to open half the game

[knotty yoke]

Guys needolin or dream nail?

[exotic cedar]

Dream nail

[hexed sonnet]

dream nail

[hybrid flare]

At that point you've like, played through a good portion of the game and stuff like monomon's locked behind tear, (unless you skip) and while deepnest can be done blind, it's not the best experience

[hexed sonnet]

needolin takes too long

[exotic cedar]

Dream nail has uses in combat which is cool

[fathom iris]

needolin is js dream nail, its not a big difference

[slender elk]

dude savequitting is only effective when you actually have a chance to do it unfortunately 😭 sometimes i dont even get a chance to click into menu before im dead

[knotty yoke]

I love that you can get more soul with dream nail

[fathom iris]

ewwwww /j

[dire jacinth]

for me its up to widow which takes like a hour

[hybrid flare]

I mean you could explore peaks but you would do that either way to get the dream nail

[dire jacinth]

lace 1 is a small child
fourth chorus is a punching bag
moorwing is a jump test

[hybrid flare]

all of them are fun, so i don't mind

[knotty yoke]

Moorwing:

[fathom iris]

dayum, i like refighting all the bosses and going through the sections

[hybrid flare]

yes

[dire jacinth]

they really just aren’t to me

[hybrid flare]

I mean maybe lace 1 is a bit simple but the rest are quite fun, plus all can be skipped

[knotty yoke]

Fourth chorus is fun for an early game boss and 1st playthrough experience

[versed current]

Cogwork core is my favorite area so far

[slender elk]

idk i like moorwing

[versed current]

The little dudes just bumping into eachother is so funny

[slender elk]

Initially moorwing was annoying as hell but its enjoyable to me now

[versed current]

+cogwork dancers

[fathom iris]

based, peak ( maybe diegetic ) music and fun platforming

[earnest drift]

dream nail is the only thing hk did better than silksong

[versed current]

Def not the only thing

[hybrid flare]

godhome:

[versed current]

Both are equally amazing games

[hybrid flare]

I mean it's not out yet there's the possiblity

[earnest drift]

silksong doesn't have godhome yet and when it does it'll absolutely be better than hk's

[dire jacinth]

fourth chorus was fun until I realised it had 2 attacks

[earnest drift]

hk's godhome is so awful i seriously doubt silksong could get it worse

[slender elk]

I do hope we get a godhome esque feature

[dire jacinth]

50 bell eater fights in a row

[odd hull]

Needolin

[hybrid flare]

You're out of your mind

[versed current]

Rn hk is better than sk

[fathom iris]

????

[earnest drift]

silksong has 8 garbage bosses
hollow knight has 16

[fathom iris]

dam why

[dire jacinth]

first playthrough no
after that yes

[earnest drift]

and all of them get shoved into the pantheon

[versed current]

Simply because hollow knight has more content

[hybrid flare]

Not that many no. Plus, godhome brings some amazing bosses

[versed current]

Well

Kinda more

[slender elk]

I like godhome until i see that bitch sly in my pantheon five

[earnest drift]

yes, like pure vessel
and
oh

[hybrid flare]

I agree with you mostly about silksong doing shit better than hk but you're just saying shit

[knotty yoke]

My beloved sisters of battle

[slender elk]

Sisters of battle is so peak

That fight is so fun

[hybrid flare]

ALL of the nailmasters, absrad to some degree (Albeit by virtue of radiance already being good), sisters of battle

they nailed the nailmasters boss fights

[versed current]

Once silksong gets dlc the games will be pretty much equal

[earnest drift]

as i was saying yes dream nail is the only thing base hk does better than base sk

[dire jacinth]

summoned saviour, the unravelled, bell eater, lost garmond, palestag
what else am i missing

oh yeah broodmother

[knotty yoke]

Zango

[dire jacinth]

and them yes

[fathom iris]

ill argue that base silksong has more content that hollow knight WITH dlcs, more areas, npcs, things to do, mechanics and tools

[slender elk]

Idk lost garmond wasnt awful to me

[hybrid flare]

also the general final stretch of the game is handled better in hollow knight

[dire jacinth]

Why don’t you need plasmium gland for 100% btw

[hybrid flare]

because the old hearts are underdeveloped

[slender elk]

Zango was annoying as hell tho

[versed current]

Silksong isnt meant to be a better hollow knight

[earnest drift]

i agree but everyone hates him

[spice cargo]

silksong is better than hk objectively but hk is still peak and completely understandable to subjectively like more

[versed current]

Its a sequel not an upgraded version

[earnest drift]

well it is

[knotty yoke]

Lost garmond is just garmond but black

[hybrid flare]

Lace is like, the completely opposite of starpengu's takes holy shit

[fathom iris]

objectively? hmm idk

[hybrid flare]

the ying and yang

[versed current]

Because team cherry has more experience lol

[earnest drift]

still makes it better

[versed current]

Never said it wasnt
Theyre equal games, but silksong isnt an upgraded version of hk like youre suggesting

[spice cargo]

hk lore is kinda better

[hybrid flare]

this is subjective

[fathom iris]

thats ur opinion

[hybrid flare]

I'd take silksong's lore any day though, even if some aspects of it are underdeveloped

[spice cargo]

gms just has 0 personality

[earnest drift]

hk lore has one good character
the pale king

[hybrid flare]

Hornet and quirrel are solid

[versed current]

So hornet isnt a good character lol

[earnest drift]

she has more personality than flipping radiance

[versed current]

How?

[spice cargo]

no way

[earnest drift]

before sk she wasn't that good

[hybrid flare]

I agree honestly

[earnest drift]

because she has character development

[spice cargo]

she was good enough for them to want to make a dlc

[queen acorn]

hornet is the only reason dmn exists btw

[knotty yoke]

What is dmn

[queen acorn]

dream no more

[spice cargo]

dream no more

[odd hull]

Me too

[knotty yoke]

But then its dnm

[hybrid flare]

Though voidheart > old hearts

[queen acorn]

fuck wait yeah

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk cares about lace yet abuses her, is vengeful towards the weavers and their offspring, values those who stay loyal (widow)

radiance is angry and hurts and kills everyone constantly with no change

[spice cargo]

dream nail > needolin

[hybrid flare]

as the final plot device

[versed current]

No?

[earnest drift]

yes?

[knotty yoke]

Gms cares about lace?

[earnest drift]

radiance wanted to stay alive but that's not much depth

[versed current]

Radiance is a lot more complex than that

[hybrid flare]

She doesn't abuse lace as she had no agency when lace was created

[earnest drift]

lmao how

[odd hull]

Act 3.

[hybrid flare]

like, not actively but lace was created the way she was

[earnest drift]

radiance is the most shallow major character in the series

[unkempt steeple]

blasphemy against gms

[knotty yoke]

Oh I forgot about this nvm

[versed current]

Radiance doesnt kill just to kill

[slender elk]

I mean. Kind of but no? Radiance values loyalty aswell. Moss prophet is allowed to live as long as it does for a reason

[versed current]

Radiance had their own tribe and cared for their people

[hybrid flare]

The radiance is trying to erase the Pk's legacy and she really hates him

[earnest drift]

yeah i know she does it to stay alive
that's not much deeper

[slender elk]

yeah

[spice cargo]

do yall think radiance can beat gms

[hybrid flare]

there is some depth to her you don't understand her character

[earnest drift]

didn't she kill the moth tribe

[versed current]

The radiance doesnt want to be forgotten

[earnest drift]

yet she infected deepnest

[versed current]

No they just died out lol

[spice cargo]

is radiance really a villain

[earnest drift]

...because of the infection

[hybrid flare]

Gathering worship and that's colateral

[spice cargo]

pale king lowkey started it

[knotty yoke]

Gms was weakened by all this time asleep so I guess they can beat gms

[versed current]

No evidence supporting that really

[earnest drift]

there is nothing that shows radiance cared about the moth tribe
if anything she hated them the most because they betrayed her

[versed current]

I dont think pk really wanted to start it
But ye he kinda did

[earnest drift]

they're dead
what else could have possibly killed them

[hybrid flare]

She hated the pk for it not the moth tribe

[versed current]

Age..

[earnest drift]

have you heard of reproduction

[versed current]

Battles

[earnest drift]

they died out because of the same thing that killed everyone else it's not that deep 😭

[hybrid flare]

They could've faded out into the dream realm but the question is unanswered

[versed current]

They can still die

Tribes die out its not that complex of an idea to grasp

[earnest drift]

radiance didn't treat the moth tribe any different from how she treated the other groups
she killed them off like how she killed everyone else

[hybrid flare]

there's 0 evidence to support this btw

[earnest drift]

and you're telling me the radiance, who was ravaging the entire kingdom, wasn't responsible for this in any way

[versed current]

No evidence supporting that
We dont know how the radiance treated them

[earnest drift]

radiance didn't care about the moths
she only cares about herself

[earnest drift]

not knowing how she treated the moths makes her character less interesting

[spice cargo]

they betrayed her

[versed current]

No, its not that important of a plot point

[hybrid flare]

But it doesn't make the relationship automatically bad between them

[spice cargo]

she did a lot for them

[versed current]

Prob why the remaining members of the tribe died

[earnest drift]

as i was saying
radiance is not a complex character
her two motives are to not be forgotten and to vent out all her rage, and her only method is to infect and hurt everyone in hallownest

[versed current]

If there were any besides seer

[spice cargo]

they lost their identity and access to the dream realm

[hybrid flare]

She's also been sealed off even though the pale king stole her spotlight

[versed current]

Radiance isnt a complex character because you dont want them to be

[earnest drift]

doesn't the seer still access the dream realm

[versed current]

A little

[hybrid flare]

there's a reason for her rage

[earnest drift]

does she have any development
does she have any meaningful connections with other characters

[knotty yoke]

Void:

[versed current]

Moths

[earnest drift]

void isn't a character 💀

[versed current]

That whole storyline

[earnest drift]

she killed them like how she killed everyone else

[spice cargo]

the knight isnt real I guess

[hybrid flare]

Maybe not development but she persuades other bugs, moths, the pale king,

[earnest drift]

wanting to kill someone because they're trying to kill you isn't a "meaningful connection"

[versed current]

No..? The whole storyline was actually interesting you just dont want to see that

[frank sequoia]

Idk if it's me but does sk run worse on Microsoft store/Xbox then on steam?

[knotty yoke]

Siblings aren't real then

[versed current]

Each being a void has its own will

[earnest drift]

i agree the story is interesting, but because of the pale king and everything he did
the radiance herself isn't interesting

[versed current]

Which is united by the knight

[earnest drift]

do we like ever see what dreams she promises bugs
iirc the only dreams we see she promised was towards soul master

[versed current]

Lol

[hybrid flare]

yeah, of strength and yk, digs in their desires

[earnest drift]

which is only possible through dreamnailing soul tyrant

[knotty yoke]

the void it's radiance ancient enemy, how this ins't a connection?

[strange knot]

And traitor lord iirc

[versed current]

The void is the enemy of pretty much all higher beings

[hybrid flare]

we see that for traitor lord, myla i think and other bugs

[earnest drift]

it's not meaningful
there's no complexity
they're two ancient forces that are inherently aggressive to each other, an age-long trope that's nothing more than black and white

[hybrid flare]

why do people explicitely mention that the void hates higher beings, everything enters in its diet

[broken seal]

it's from talking to soul tyrant after defeating him, which is forced as dream nailing the ghost does nothing

[knotty yoke]

What about that one guy thar sells rancid egg?

[hybrid flare]

Haven't looked at the dialogues

[earnest drift]

oh right

as always soul master proves to be a better villain than radiance

[versed current]

If i had a nickel for every time void killed a higher being
I would have 2 nickels
Maybe three if you count the pale king
Not much but its weird that it happened twice

[hybrid flare]

i would be a millionaire if we knew how many other things it ended up killing

[versed current]

Lol

[hybrid flare]

"Oh but it killed hb" so did hornet yeah

[versed current]

I do believe void is good at killing higher beings

Its the only thing that can besides being forgotten

[hybrid flare]

no

[versed current]

Maybe….

[hybrid flare]

brute force also clears

[earnest drift]

the radiance's capacity for manipulation is somewhat interesting but it doesn't feel very well explored

she doesn't feel like a manipulator

[hybrid flare]

the white lady needed protection from the traitors soo

[safe canopy]

Poshanka

[versed current]

True, but very few can pick a fight with a higher being and win

[hybrid flare]

some still can

[hybrid flare]

The radiance is mostly a force of nature but she has her reasons

[versed current]

Well the white is in a seal and cant do much, godseeker says herself that the white lady’s power has diminished

[hybrid flare]

she's not a bad antagonist by any means but i find gms much more interesting

[hybrid flare]

Higher being nonetheless amirite?

[earnest drift]

back to the point, grand mother silk is more compelling than radiance because her plan isn't destroying the entire kingdom, she has someone she cares about, her motives are much more relatable, and she feels like a three dimensional person

the radiance is a two dimensional force of nature type villain

admittedly a better written two dimensional character than most but still two dimensional

[versed current]

Ig

[hybrid flare]

gms would be better if we knew what the relationship between her and the weavers was like

[earnest drift]

we could've seen more but we have enough imo
she was quite controlling and forceful towards them in making them empower her through song

[hybrid flare]

If the weavers overthrew her because of genuine mistreatement or pride and greed

[earnest drift]

we see more than how radiance treated the moths

[hybrid flare]

Yeah but that's all we know yk

[versed current]

What does gms plan to do after being freed?

[earnest drift]

a combination of both i believe

[hybrid flare]

probably look around and kick the weavers' asses

[odd hull]

could be both

[earnest drift]

reinstate her rule, but being freed is the main objective because being trapped in the cocoon is worse than death

[versed current]

Well all but one are dead (from what we know)

[hybrid flare]

I do believe her cocoon is of her own make

[earnest drift]

and unlike radiance she has character development

[versed current]

Not including hornet

[hybrid flare]

but she was loomed and loomed till weakness

[earnest drift]

yes but the weavers forced her to make it

[versed current]

Very little

[earnest drift]

through song

[hybrid flare]

Yeah but shes not quite trapped in it, she breaks out just fine

she's just forcefully put to sleep

[earnest drift]

she goes from wanting to be worsipped to wanting to be free to giving up her own life because she has nothing left other than saving lace

that is not little

[hybrid flare]

Or maybe it could be both but she creates another one in the abyss sooo

[versed current]

And all that happened at the end of the game
With no dialogue

[hybrid flare]

Its visible and it's still something

[earnest drift]

non verbal storytelling is good actually

[versed current]

I guess

[earnest drift]

it's not like radiance has dialogue

[versed current]

True

[hybrid flare]

technically she does

[versed current]

Dream nail?

[hybrid flare]

through infected bugs and dn

[versed current]

Doesnt count

[earnest drift]

yeah and gms has needolin so what

[hybrid flare]

but gms being more beastly is much more compelling

[earnest drift]

wait does gms have needolin

[hybrid flare]

We have silk hearts

[versed current]

Idk, prob

[earnest drift]

whatever we see it from the silk heart dialogue

[hybrid flare]

Needolin reflects the bug's thoughts and through pavo we know that haunted bugs are tied to her mind

[earnest drift]

at most radiance has going from being worshipped by moths to killing everything for her "development" but we see so little of her character pre-wyrm that it's basically null

hk lore is carried by the pale king and thk

[hybrid flare]

the shamans are neat

and everything in the city of tears EXCEPT lurien the fraud aswell

[earnest drift]

the seer is more interesting than the radiance

[versed current]

Its not so much as killing everything, and more of trying to be remembered.
The whole infection came when the bugs resisted.
After they died the corpses where reanimated cause thk weakened

[versed current]

How

[knotty yoke]

Guys random question but where is that one board in bilewater that everyone talks about?

[versed current]

They’re interesting

[earnest drift]

whatever it is, it's a single and simple method that's little more than destruction

[versed current]

Not really, I just explained how the radiance prob didnt want the bugs to die but just went with it

[earnest drift]

because i like how she helps the knight to atone for her tribe's sins and find peace for herself
which is more interesting than "angry god hurts everyone because she wants to be remembered"

[earnest drift]

if she didn't want the bugs to die why didn't she just
not kill them

[versed current]

They resisted, that caused the infection to spark

[earnest drift]

where does the game say this what

[versed current]

The radiance just showed up in their dreams at first

[vivid belfry]

The physical symptoms of the infection are like a psychic friction burn

[versed current]

I cant exactly remember. Ill try to find it through hallowscribe

Nvm hallowscribe is just a mess to go through

[wet tulip]

maybe seer dialogues

[versed current]

Uh use this

https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Infection#cite_note-mossprophet-7

[earnest drift]

hollow knight's lore is good and the tragedy of the pale king, the hollow knight and hornet are compelling, the radiance herself however is an uninteresting main antagonist and she functions fine in her role, but otherwise can't stand alone without the rest of the story surrounding her

silksong massively ups the ante with its antagonists, introducing two villains who are far more interesting than radiance, one of which parallels radiance but is better in every way

[versed current]

Uh opinion subjective or something

[earnest drift]

pale king is better written than the weavers but i prefer the weavers because pale king is a bit cliche

old man in a high position of power doing bad things for a good cause

[versed current]

Anyways i go bye bye

[earnest drift]

bye

i must also sleep

[versed current]

Im beating the secret lost zote boss in hk zotegoat

[raw pawn]

Pinstress moment

[knotty yoke]

Moorwing is a bird?

[spark anchor]

it's a giant flying rat-bug

[ocean quarry]

is it not?

it's a bug-bird

[spark anchor]

but it acts like a bird yeah

[ocean quarry]

a bird, if you will

[knotty yoke]

I always through it was like some sort of vampire fly

[ocean quarry]

i mean, bat is literally a portmanteau of bug and rat

[spark anchor]

the memorium took a mite and made it huge to punish workers for doing nothing

that's what The Moorwing is

[ocean quarry]

(except it's actually a port of bird and rat)

[knotty yoke]

Oh

Then it became flea dinner

[ocean quarry]

that is so fucked like unironically

"ah yes our workers aren't working

solution: giant bat that will certainly kill some workers

this totally won't backfire by killing most workers and reduce the work done to nothing"

[hybrid flare]

intimidation is a big thing yk

[earnest drift]

HOW

[ocean quarry]

i wonder if you can lift a fingerprint of off that scam photo

[hybrid flare]

Most of them also couldnt imagine living outside of their labour camps

[ocean quarry]

your account has just been hacked i believe

[earnest drift]

mine???

[ocean quarry]

don't reply to scam messages

yes, yours

back your stuff up asap

[hybrid flare]

ive replied and clicked those images i dont think it works like that

[knotty yoke]

Not the mr beast cassino 😭

[hybrid flare]

it's advertising i think

[knotty yoke]

Its scam

[hybrid flare]

you cant js hack someone from a reply

[hybrid flare]

yeah advertising a scam

[ocean quarry]

is that a v1 plushie

[hybrid flare]

mhm

[knotty yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/dwyane-johnson-the-rock-pancake-gif-21362945

[ocean quarry]

insert ultrakill reference

[timid plinth]

can i even beat groal with..

[knotty yoke]

But v1 and sisyphus prime

[ocean quarry]

why can't i think of a single sisyphus quote

i know every minos quote by heart

[hybrid flare]

you fucking appetizer

[knotty yoke]

Be gone

[hybrid flare]

i managed to cook up an S+ tier pfp

[ocean quarry]

KEEP EM COMING

[knotty yoke]

Uh idk more quotes

[hybrid flare]

his very iconic starting speech

[knotty yoke]

I know minus prime and gabriel speeches

[hybrid flare]

LMFAO this is so good

[ocean quarry]

ikr

[knotty yoke]

What is that 😭

That was so unexpected

[fervent hawk]

lemmi just attack all crests
https://youtu.be/cwQUTBq_ccc

[knotty yoke]

Lol

[quartz gulch]

I kinda wanna watch it to hear some really dumb takes, but also not because it seems like pure clickbait.

[slender juniper]

I HATE CRAWSKIP RAAAAAAH

[deft axle]

Y'all how many times should I play the needolin and follow the butterflies in the mist

?

[slender juniper]

67

[ocean quarry]

at least 8 rooms

could be more

[deft axle]

Fr? Someone told me it's 6 times, and every 3 there is a straight corridor

[ocean quarry]

well yeah i'm counting the straights as well

[slender juniper]

its 6 Rooms and one is a checkpoint

[smoky bridge]

NGL I remember Sisiphus more fondly/strongly.

Not even recency bias since I'm getting through the game on higher difficulty and haven't gotten to Sisyphus there yet.

"This prison, to hold me?"
Slaps so hard.

Also NGL War is a banger track

[deft axle]

Ah okk

[smoky bridge]

It is semi random depending on your luck

[deft axle]

Machine... I will cut you down. Break you apart, splay the gore of your profane form across the stars! My hands shall relish ending you here and now!

[quartz gulch]

Until you get there?

[ocean quarry]

gabriel

[deft axle]

👁️👄👁️

[smoky bridge]

I think it is minimum you get two rooms, checkpoint, then two more, and exit. From what I remember.
You can get more rooms, if you get unlucky and the game cannot generate a valid entry to a checkpoint or exit.

[deft axle]

The apostate of hate, 6-2, managed to P rank it

[quartz gulch]

What answer do you even want to hear and how would it help you? You've got to do it either way.

[deft axle]

True

But it's already the 7th time I died to those wraiths

[smoky bridge]

First special room has to be entered from the left, the exit from the right, so if you get unlucky and the pre-checkpoint/exit room has no valid exit on that side (because you entered from there) you're forced to roll one more room

[quartz gulch]

Try using Reaper and just time the pogo when they dash at you from below.
When they're above you, stay below them. Then they can't dash at you and have to reposition, hence you can get a few strikes in.

[smoky bridge]

I explained it badly.

[deft axle]

I main reaper

[ocean quarry]

yay

have you unlocked p-2 yet

[deft axle]

Ye

[smoky bridge]

You have to be going left for it to be a valid entry onto the checkpoint, and going right for it to be a valid mist exit.

[deft axle]

I'm too lazy to do it tho

[ocean quarry]

have you p-ranked p2 yet

[deft axle]

Nah

[smoky bridge]

Fuck I am bad at words rn

[quartz gulch]

Cool. Wraiths are also vulnerable to tools and silk skills, so you could spam some shit if you're struggling.

[ocean quarry]

it takes like 8.5 mins to finish the entire level tbh

[quartz gulch]

Is Ultrakill ever gonna come to console?

[ocean quarry]

dunno

i wouldn't bet on it tho, it's horrible to play with a controller

[smoky bridge]

It would be lowk torturous to play on controller ngl

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/i/status/2035628824466264296

Q龍 QRyu 絲之歌dlc快出拜託🙏 (@17Hornet77987)

#silksongfanart

X · Mar 22, 2026, 8:05 AM

[quartz gulch]

Why?

I don't see the issue.

[smoky bridge]

The game has a lot of precise and fast aiming.

You wanna be able to turn quick

[quartz gulch]

So does R6 Siege, but it still works out.

[ocean quarry]

also current controllers do not have enough buttons to let ultrakill be played properly

[quartz gulch]

Shooting: R2
Parry/Whatever else: L2
Switching Weapons: L1/R1
Jumping: X
Dashing/Sliding: O

Left over options are:
-arrow keys
-∆
-L3
-R3
-The middle pad thing on PS

What else would you need then?

[slender juniper]

crawskip is menace to socirtz

[ocean quarry]

L1/R1 isn't fast enough

[smoky bridge]

Difference between micro aiming and Macro aiming. You can get out of the first one with aim assist.
The game would need at least a Turn-around button for Ultrakill I feel like.

All I'm saying is I will be pleasantly surprised if they figure out a good feeling controller scheme for Ultrakill.

[quartz gulch]

True, but I also have the retro Warhammer game, where you choose weapons with the arrow keys. It works pretty well, alts are chosen by clicking on key two or more times. So there are three slots in each direction.

[ocean quarry]

at the very least, it would require gyro controls to aim/turn around

[quartz gulch]

From Gameplay I've seen, when do you need to turn around that fast?

[smoky bridge]

I turn around a lot and fast all the time but it might just be my playstyle

Especially with Jackhammer cause I use it for mobility

[ocean quarry]

insert any p-2 encounter here

[smoky bridge]

So I'm pulling 180's in the span of hit stop constantly.

[quartz gulch]

Do you have a clip? I don't have everything memorized and videos are usually cut.

[ocean quarry]

better example: midair rocket riding

the angle your camera needs to be angled at is quite precise

[versed current]

Will on full release

[quartz gulch]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf4x1vwVEDY||
||@ocean quarry What about this? Of course it requires practice and such, but as a legitimate reason against porting it to console at all I disagree.||

[versed current]

Maybe

[unkempt steeple]

where are the moss fathers

[quartz gulch]

Probably in your mind? I don't think a "mossfather" exists.

[unkempt steeple]

then who are the moss mothers making babies with

are they lesbians?

[ocean quarry]

that is incredibly impressive

[quartz gulch]

They can produce asexually and be called mothers due to giving birth.

[unkempt steeple]

but then they'd be the moss asexuals

[rough pawn]

What's a P-1? I'm still stuck on the tutorial no spoilers pls

[quartz gulch]

I'm sorry, I spoilered it.

[rough pawn]

Oh okay

[azure patrol]

Hai lai lai lai lai

[versed current]

Change sensitivity

[timid sky]

Gms fake died from volt filament electrocution

Son im crine

I sharpdart her, she feels the sharpdart and dont leave, gets the aftershock and says "bye"

[versed current]

Are the pale nails even good?

[timid sky]

Yeah, it has great aim

[timid plinth]

how to beat groal

[versed current]

Bomb

[timid plinth]

im lowk losing my mind

[unkempt steeple]

join his cause and overthrow the cidadel

[timid plinth]

i cant do that

[versed current]

Sure you can

[timid sky]

And now she died for real from the aftershock

[timid sky]

Im crine again

[smoky bridge]

On a controller?

[timid sky]

Steel soul 92% W

[timid plinth]

do i just spam harpoon

at groal

[timid sky]

Pretty much

[timid plinth]

ill try

cos i dont have anything else to do

[timid sky]

Throw bombs in his mouth when he tries to eat you

[timid plinth]

i cant do that

[timid sky]

Can't?

Do you not have pimpillo or voltvessels?

[timid plinth]

no

the muckmaggots are already annoying enough

what if i dip myself into the muck juice

so i dont die

[timid sky]

Helps with dodging most of his attacks

Only thing that can ressonably hurt you is groal's giant body

[timid plinth]

alrighty ill try

[timid sky]

Started act 3 in steel soul wish me luck

Time to fight black ice

[broken seal]

IMMEDIATELY save and quit out

[timid sky]

Sorry black ice i mean black guys

[timid sky]

Did 👍

[broken seal]

[timid sky]

I even thought of that myself before act 2 because i kept not being careful and dying to the steam on normal playthroughs

[broken seal]

💀

[timid sky]

Hornet falls off a ledge and dies of period cramps only to be revived by sherma, part 5

[broken seal]

😭😭

[brisk zealot]

have yall played solateria?

[broken seal]

who the what

[timid sky]

I feel, like i've heard that game name before

Never played

[spark anchor]

terraria? yeah i have 1100+ hours on it

[brisk zealot]

new metroidvania looks like ori X hollow knight

[spark anchor]

terraria is a cool game

[brisk zealot]

has good reviews on steam but hesitant to get it

[timid sky]

I think i watched the trailer for it because it popped up on my recommended

[broken seal]

Then you should get MiO

[brisk zealot]

yeah i have it just havent gotten around to it lol

[spice cargo]

what a loser

im approaching 2500 though

[spark anchor]

i took a really long break in 2024

i returned cause of 1.4.5 and friends

[brisk zealot]

i dont think ive even lived that long 💀

[spice cargo]

lol

[timid plinth]

am i close when the groal vengeful spirits

[wispy girder]

kinda yeah

[timid plinth]

is he like halfway

[wispy girder]

just lock in

[timid plinth]

man my eyes hurt

[brisk zealot]

hes probably past halfway

[timid plinth]

ok i can do this

[brisk zealot]

hes definitely past halfway

[brisk zealot]

are you steel souling?

[timid plinth]

noo

[wispy girder]

honestly he's not THAT bad since his adds are part of his attack and u dont have to kill em

[timid plinth]

im lowTE%-ing

[brisk zealot]

oh

go get em champ

[wispy girder]

oh...

is it as bad as the original game?

[brisk zealot]

google told me thats low tool efficiency % ???

[timid plinth]

low percent true ending

[wispy girder]

low% but beating lost lace

[brisk zealot]

ah!

[timid plinth]

hk wasnt as bad

for me at least

[brisk zealot]

then i have no idea

[wispy girder]

i even forgot the route lmao, do you even get any spells?

[timid plinth]

i only have silkspear

[wispy girder]

im remembering that vs was skippable but i forgot

oop i meant in hk

[timid plinth]

oh

i dont remember actually

[wispy girder]

you get silkhearts tho right? since its TE?

[timid plinth]

both vengeful spirit and desolate dive are mandatory so

[timid plinth]

yea

[rich laurel]

Hi

[timid plinth]

oh apparently i can deflect groal's spits away

[timid plinth]

NOOO

ykw ill take a break

[slender juniper]

Join vc to see me speedrun

[edgy patio]

pre historic

[unkempt steeple]

I've been playing since hungry knight

[slender juniper]

2017 is encient ig

If youre older than 9 youre encient

[edgy patio]

i call cap

[slender juniper]

Oh yeah and 2016 was 10 years ago

[fringe trout]

im half way done!

[fringe trout]

insane

[azure patrol]

Something

Something bone bottom

[fringe trout]

oh wrong channel sorry

i didnt mean to send this in sk 😭

[edgy patio]

im just waiting for the day i get a ping from #hk-announcements that says "silksong sea of sorrow dlc expansion release" or daily silksong news has a yes day that says silksong dlc release

[civic island]

Probably will be in july or something

[exotic dome]

silksong nostalgia

https://tenor.com/view/babyb-gif-878160366744392312

[civic island]

💔

[edgy patio]

july is such a reach

we just got the last patch before the dlc

probably may or june, july is max

[subtle lynx]

New school gamer

[edgy patio]

probably may

[edgy patio]

newgen

[plucky stag]

i'm guessing may as well

which means i'm probably running out of time to get back to silksong and complete my 52 before the dlc drops and makes steel heart easier

i want a pure steel heart, the way it was meant to be done on day one

[hushed girder]

I’m able to get in the slabs in a different way but I want to get captured for the fun of it

But I’m in steel soul so it might not be a good idea

[plucky stag]

because of my self interest i'm hoping team cherry is doing what they usually do

they only said patch 5 was their last before sea of sorrow, so that could just as easily mean we're 3 or 4 months away instead of 2

[odd hull]

I hope so

[gritty yarrow]

crazy shit

[plucky stag]

my gaming agenda's a bit tied up

i have at least 3 games in my queue before i return to pharloom

[gritty yarrow]

soo cool

[plucky stag]

and of course the longer i wait the rustier i will be upon reentry

[gritty yarrow]

wow

[silver oak]

that’s the joke

[abstract laurel]

When is sea of sorrow coming out

[worn reef]

probably another month

at least

[abstract laurel]

Ok

[worn reef]

I'd speculate sometime in april

since the last patch is the last patch before its release

[edgy patio]

it feels good to have a steel heart savefile True 100% on switch 2

[worn reef]

aye nice

I still haven't done a steel soul completion in either hk or ss

[edgy patio]

i hope you're correct and im wrong

[worn reef]

its my guess

I'm just presuming

[desert compass]

what the fuck

[worn reef]

?

[edgy patio]

i agree

what the fuck indeed.

[long verge]

Is steel soul w/o save and quit even possible 😕

[desert compass]

yeah I literally have 0 excuses I need to do steel soul on pc

[worn reef]

why that reaction andrew

[desert compass]

yeah but you’d need free time and skill

[edgy patio]

everyone here YOU HAVE TO GET STEEL HEART NOWOWOWOOW BEFORE THE DLC DROPS

[desert compass]

steel heart on switch is actually insane

[edgy patio]

yeah i know

i did use benchwarping

[worn reef]

is it that much harder than pc?

[edgy patio]

yes

[desert compass]

yes I feel

[worn reef]

I'd assume those who do steel soul do it legitimately

[edgy patio]

theres also a way

[long verge]

Won’t you have to complete more stuff to get 100% after it drops?

[desert compass]

no lmao not always

[worn reef]

rip

[edgy patio]

to retrieve your save file on switch for steel soul if you die

[worn reef]

wait people do that

[edgy patio]

but you gotta buy nintendo switch online

[desert compass]

bench warping is technically part of the game but people dont consider it legitimate

[edgy patio]

I did that

[long verge]

I’ve tried doing it legitimately and I see why people don’t it’s literal torture

[edgy patio]

because if i did steel heart legitimately, it would've definitely broken me apart

[worn reef]

thats cheating isn't it?

[edgy patio]

it's not cheating if it works

[worn reef]

eh

[undone gate]

I never attempt Steel Heart since I think having fun is more important than an Achievement

[worn reef]

I mean I did use assists on some of celeste

[edgy patio]

im still gonna flex my steel heart on my switch 2 true 100%

having the steel soul title screen seems a better flex than steel heart imo

[worn reef]

also you're talking SS right not HK?

[edgy patio]

why the fuck would i talk about hk in the silksong discussion channel (#sk-discussion)

[worn reef]

people do all the time

[long verge]

Fair

[edgy patio]

not me

[worn reef]

and did you do act 3 completion

[long verge]

I still want to at least beat act 2 steel soul

[edgy patio]

yes that's what true 100% means

[worn reef]

Ah ok

idk I thought act 2 would have counted too but idk

I still need one more boss in act 3 then I can do lost lace

[edgy patio]

nah true 100% is getting the mementos and materials and cylinders

[worn reef]

oh

[edgy patio]

and hunters journal

yeah

and fully explored map

[worn reef]

surface climb was mildly annoying to say the least

[edgy patio]

yeah

it is easy after u do it once or twice

[worn reef]

I prfer HK white palace

[lost nest]

well i got 100% and i JUST learned i can do backflips

[worn reef]

backflips you say?

[lost nest]

while running if you hold opposite direction and jump you can backflip sometimes

[worn reef]

interesting

[bright sentinel]

You're not the only one, so did I when I first 100%

[edgy patio]

you should go to a wall and wall stay on it and hold the run button

[lost nest]

oh i knew that one

[edgy patio]

yeah

[lost nest]

professional ascendants grip user here

[edgy patio]

you can dash downwards btw

[worn reef]

oh ik what u guys mean

[edgy patio]

yeah

bro i just wanna use the zango crest already

hopefully dlc drops sooner than expected

[worn reef]

zango?

[edgy patio]

look under the cloth thing

[azure mist]

This is definitely gonna be a crest.

[worn reef]

fancy

[edgy patio]

yes?

[bright sentinel]

It def will, the last Silksong patch is said to be the last update before SoS

[edgy patio]

we already know that, im just saying that guy under the thing is a zango species dude

[worn reef]

yeah

[azure mist]

Yeah, I never said they weren't.

[bright sentinel]

So it's definitely happening within the next month or 3

[edgy patio]

or as i like to call these zango species people a zangy

[timid valve]

Those half-round things may be something like Shakra' Master's spheres

[edgy patio]

ya

[edgy patio]

yes

wait, how long do silksong patches take to release?

[worn reef]

depends

[edgy patio]

what is the overall

like time

[worn reef]

4 weeks?

i think

[edgy patio]

oh

so a month

[timid valve]

Yeah. When it just released, there were patches like every 1-3 days

[severe jasper]

Would you rather shoot yourself or use beast crest pogo

[edgy patio]

hopefully they drop it on april fools