sk-discussion

[lavish apex]

the dlc is pretty good as well

[light swan]

wow the gameplay actually looks cool

idk if either i didnt interact with blasphemous 1 enough or this is just all completely new

nvm blasphemous 2 is just goated

[void moat]

oooh ||kinetic thrust seems cool||

[light swan]

it is!

[lavish apex]

it's very different

[light swan]

how does 2 compare in regards to exploration and the world and stuff

[void moat]

many ||hammer boy corpses||, that's how you can tell something evil's around here

[light swan]

that was one of the strong suits for blasphemous 1, i really loved the areas

[lavish apex]

similar

[light swan]

[lavish apex]

i would say that like aesthetically most of them are a bit less memorable

but still really cool

[void moat]

there's even one stuffed into a vent in the foreground 😭

[light swan]

oh man youre observant

[spark anchor]

do you think if gms never did anything in pharloom (or if the weavers/citadel never fucked up pharloom) khann would annex all of pharloom as his own

[light swan]

youre gonna love mio :D

[void moat]

little barrel boy

[light swan]

its more the gameplay aspect that im interested in, while blasphemous areas are really beautiful theyre not really memorable visually for me probs cuz its been a while

i remember like, 2-4 areas

and i remember them more cuz of the gp experience than the visual wonder

[void moat]

im on one hp but im in too deep i dont know what to do

[lavish apex]

exploration wise i'd say its pretty similar

[light swan]

lock in and just keep pushing forward

dont make any stupid mistakes

i bet youre typing a message saying that you died rn arent you.......

[lavish apex]

but there's better platforming and just more stuff to interact with in the environments in 2

[light swan]

nevermind i have hope!

[void moat]

um

[light swan]

ok so lets fucking go ????? :D:D:D:D:D

[torn rock]

b2 is b1 on crack

[light swan]

dont disappoint me my student

[void moat]

ok so it wasnt my fauly trust me

[light swan]

in mio, everything is your fault

[void moat]

the ice shooting guys usually hesitate to shoot when you first encounter see them it wasnt my fault it shot me point blank

[lavish apex]

the dlc content really pushes that, you don't get anything that's as hard as some of mio's tho

[light swan]

shouldve just reverse hyperextended wavedashed into a cboost wallbounce away bro'

[void moat]

https://tenor.com/view/diddyblud-diddy-einstein-albert-einstein-calc-gif-9528529477851089865

[light swan]

blasphemous 1 was crazy difficult for me (proably cuz i was ass) would you say 2 is harder

[lavish apex]

mmmm
kinda?

[torn rock]

I'd say no

[light swan]

i have gotten a lot better at gaming in general so i dont think id struggle too bad

[void moat]

okay i need to lock in

[torn rock]

whatever your first boss will be will probably be a bit hard

[light swan]

i could feel the skill boost in my fingers from when i dropped mio demo vs when i picked it up again (i played silksong in between)

[torn rock]

but if you explore around enough you get some cool shit that makes it manageable

[light swan]

you do!

[exotic dome]

MIO

[lavish apex]

normal enemy difference is like comparable to the one between hk and silksong but they generally feel more fair than in silksong

the big thing is spikes don't instakill tho

[light swan]

the enemies kinda pissed me off in blasphemous 1 because of my skissue

[void moat]

mmm to equip one of my two modifiers id have to drop analyser idk if it's worth it

[iron roost]

Anyone got tips for my beast creat only? Its so painful to use

[lavish apex]

or pits

[spark anchor]

get good at using it

[earnest drift]

tank dmg before binding do not tank dmg during fury

[void moat]

oh ||shii|| is restoring the netwrok

[light swan]

you decide, ill stop backseating and just spectate :D

[sullen smelt]

hi

[void moat]

oh hell yeah

[light swan]

evil, huh

[exotic dome]

best thing is invincibility cooldown after you get hit also applies for environmental hazards

[void moat]

idk man he might still be evil

[iron roost]

Baseball, huh?

[light swan]

LOL

THIS GUY GETS ME I WAS THINKING THAT EXACT THING

[void moat]

yooo it's me! i'm the water flavoring

[lavish apex]

i would say bosses are like
maybe mildly harder or about the same

[light swan]

how could you call my baby evil 🥺 MIO SPOILERS but bobbitt can click

[iron roost]

And im the man behind the slaughter of endless heatcliffs

[graceful cairn]

he will always be evil in our hearts /j

[lavish apex]

a few of them are a lot harder than what you get in the first game tho

[light swan]

nice :D

[iron roost]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-guy-behind-behind-the-slaughter-the-man-behind-the-slaughter-the-man-behind-the-slaughter-memes-gif-17338799

[light swan]

also nice

[hushed girder]

Guys, I still got healed after getting protected by warding bell, that’s a miracle

[void moat]

ok nevermind he's chill he picks me up

[hushed girder]

Like a millisecond after heal the bell still triggered

[iron roost]

There is a perfect timing to get both heal and protection

Like a parry

[hushed girder]

I was at one or two hearts

[lavish apex]

if you ever did the miriam dlc in the first game there's nothing like that

[light swan]

yea thats possible, and in advanced combat its actually a super cool trick that allows you to perform the highest damaging attack in the entire game

i wont tell you how exactly since i htink youre still playing through and just got to act 2

[hushed girder]

Yea I just got to act 2 on steel soul

[void moat]

alright im locked in no more dying to that hummingbird thing

[hushed girder]

I found my way into coral chamber

[light swan]

oh nvm is this your second playthrough

[iron roost]

Holy masohism

[light swan]

[torn rock]

god that shit was awful

[hushed girder]

Took like 6 attempts to get there

3 hours each attempt

[light swan]

i havent !!

[iron roost]

Even beast crest only isnt as masohistic as steel soul

[light swan]

i think i tried to finish blasphemous as soon as possible to play nine sols

[lavish apex]

yeah it got me pretty close to crashing out lol

[sullen smelt]

hi

[lavish apex]

that was before i knew you could hold right trigger to do the bounce thing tho

[light swan]

no i tried to finish blasphemous fast to do smth else

[hushed girder]

I’m very unlikely to get through act 2 on my first try on steel soul. I had already gotten 3 close calls since

[void moat]

im debating if it's worth it to disturb this red thing or not

[torn rock]

bounce was never a problem I got used to it pretty fast in keyboard

[light swan]

you dont wanna disturb someone else's property do you

[torn rock]

but platforming is just not meant for b1 lol

[void moat]

what's the worst that could happen

[void moat]

i kinda do

[light swan]

do it then!

[hushed girder]

If I had image perms I would send the parry heal but I have to wait a little more

[void moat]

oooh ok she's cool

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-iselda-iselda-hollow-knight-hk-gif-11346090560514865736

[hushed girder]

Can I send the clip in DMs?

[light swan]

ive done it a lot of times so i dont think itsn ecessary

[void moat]

i love this hammer boy stuffed into the tube it's so funny

[light swan]

@hushed girder check those out

[prime vale]

I made it 3rd phase lost lace

[light swan]

all of those are warding bells timed perfectly at the end of my bind

[azure patrol]

She is literally married

[smoky bridge]

I think iselda is taken.
And also possibly straight.

[hushed girder]

I mean, it’s a first for me. My situation was merely a miracle. I didn’t know about the tech initially

[light swan]

why are you supporting hammer boy violence

[light swan]

ya, just showing you cuz i think its cool

[hushed girder]

It’s very nice I can’t lie,

[void moat]

holy shit it's the return of the scuttling ceiling guy from the first stage

[smoky bridge]

Mel is cutes. I like Mel. I think her helper bots are so fun

[hushed girder]

If that’s all from steel soul, you are a crazy person

I would never get close like that

[light swan]

oh definitely not

i havent done a steel soul run past widow

[rotund canyon]

Jarvis, Nuke this boss.

[void moat]

oh holy shit this hammer guy got impaled that isnt cool

[hushed girder]

I died to widow

I think that’s the right one

[void moat]

there's genuinely a graveyard this is definitely a bossfight

[smoky bridge]

My steel soul usually dies on Phantom when I stubbornly try to get cross stitch early.

[light swan]

oh no....

[smoky bridge]

What game? Wondering if I knows it

[light swan]

ive died to every single possible boss except for moss mother and moorwing for steel soul

[void moat]

oh ive backed all the way here again to under the ring npc

[light swan]

mio

[void moat]

mio: memories in orbit

[smoky bridge]

I don't rember a hammer guy...

[hushed girder]

Yea moorwing, I thought I was gonna die but it was ez

[torn rock]

okay mio time

[void moat]

terror of the ledge imp thing that swings at you

[smoky bridge]

Oh wait I know where. But... I interpreted those as staffs

[light swan]

ALREADY ??? OH MY GOD bro this night is gonna be so peak

[hushed girder]

Last judge was a blur. I almost died both in the game and irl

[light swan]

theyre technically lampposts but yea

[void moat]

im very early on in the game but im looking at what might be the first bossfight, wish me luck 😨

[smoky bridge]

We love a resourceful bugger.

[light swan]

dude its moss mother youre gonna be fine

[void moat]

im probably gonna die tbf

[hushed girder]

Moss mother is 25 hits tops

You’ll be fine

[smoky bridge]

It's before hairpin tho, innit.

[sharp slate]

Low Jump I can officially declare over, both videos uploaded, out of sight out of mind

[hushed girder]

If you played the first hollow knight it won’t be a issue

[light swan]

its 24 hits so yea

[light swan]

did you get the shortcut btw? you didnt say anything about it

[light swan]

NICEE :D:D

[smoky bridge]

What is this a reference to btw

The "terror of the ledge"

[light swan]

achievement'

[hushed girder]

I just looked at the clip again and it’s more insane than you think

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but for why.

What does the achievement reference. I thought people might know

[void moat]

the ice wall? yeah

[void moat]

also i did indeed die but i thik i got somewhat far

[smoky bridge]

Gweh

[light swan]

the terror of the ledge is the first hammer boy you find, standing menacingly on the ledge

[smoky bridge]

ah!

[light swan]

above a pit of Very Dangerous Red Vines

[light swan]

thank god bro

[smoky bridge]

Lamp boy...

[void moat]

||cool bossfight, i died, but got far, but i was really confused when egis stood still and did nothing while sucking in their tube things||

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/1-gif-14606366512799498627

[smoky bridge]

Also nobody told me Gratitude and processor work with ||broken core.||

[hushed girder]

I unknowingly swagged the warding bell

[void moat]

nonetheless i will try again, then maybe go to sleep because it's 2 am

[light swan]

burger king!

[smoky bridge]

I realised only after I went through that whole area no hit. :(

[void moat]

oh it's mel

[magic night]

bro what

[light swan]

hopefully you kept some nacre through death

surely you willed it out of your inventory before you died right

[void moat]

i did not

you can do that??

[light swan]

nope

[void moat]

well damn

[smoky bridge]

Charge up attack

[torn rock]

yay i survived the first gauntlent room yippe

[light swan]

||just a phase transition btw, not a charge up or anything||

[prime vale]

I JUST BEAT LOST LACE

[smoky bridge]

You find a way to keep nacre later but for now it's fine.

[light swan]

yay :D was it protective overlay

[void moat]

really? they didnt seem to do anything after it

[light swan]

GGS :D:D

[torn rock]

yes

[light swan]

nice nice

[prime vale]

MY HEART IS POUNDING

[smoky bridge]

Dodn't they also do it before some dash attacks?

[torn rock]

you get i frames from jumping?

[void moat]

they also made a hand gesture at me telling me to bring it on so i smacked them up a little 🤷

[hushed girder]

Gg, is this your first run?

[light swan]

no dont think so

[prime vale]

Yeah

[smoky bridge]

You only get Iframes from like two things.

[azure patrol]

godseeker had to walk so Shakra could run

[hushed girder]

Nice broo, I had like 20 attempts beating it

[smoky bridge]

There's a surprising amount of melee enemies you can just hug and they cannot hit you no mo

[graceful oyster]

:(

[smoky bridge]

The joy of no contact damage

[hushed girder]

Now go beat the hardest boss in the game

[void moat]

ok this hummingbird thing is really easy actually

[smoky bridge]

The palestag :nod nod:

[graceful oyster]

[light swan]

as far as i know, 3

[void moat]

oh shit i forgot about the broken wall i need to backtrack

[light swan]

and 1 of them is getting hit

[hushed girder]

If this was me first fighting it, I would of agreed

I didn’t have a good time

[torn rock]

oh shit you can break projectiles cool

[light swan]

yep

[raw pawn]

The belt description doesn't mention it at all but it increases your iframes too

[light swan]

and pogo them and stuff

[hushed girder]

I’m wondering if I still want to play and go through coral but the game is too good I don’t want to progress fast

[void moat]

alright it's time for my second try

[toxic vigil]

Hi

[raw pawn]

Wish I could try MIO (and Minecraft) but I am too broke for that lmao

[light swan]

do yall know mio's behavior with attacking btw

[hushed girder]

Who?

[light swan]

i just wanna know how much yall know about the game but what happens when you land an attack

[raw pawn]

Uhh how much is MIO?

[light swan]

mio, addressing this to yamen and bobbitt not you

[void moat]

16 dollars cause it's o sale rn

[light swan]

its on sale rn for $15 where i am

[hushed girder]

Well, I thought it was a boss name so I asked

[light swan]

its a diffferent game

[toxic vigil]

Groal

[torn rock]

okay stalling midair with attacks cool cool

[void moat]

you move forward slightly and stall in the air if you use an attack midair?

[smoky bridge]

I'm Kind of meming. I just hate this fight deeply it's very frustrating.

[light swan]

aw you guys dont know, idk if i should tell you guys

[torn rock]

im like pretty far in the snow area should go back to give my money away lol

[void moat]

if you feel compelled to 🤷

[light swan]

it may help with combat

[torn rock]

fact that theres no benches is... smth

[hushed girder]

I heard it’s common

[light swan]

and its something youll have to find out sooner or later

[raw pawn]

I think double contact damage is the most bs thing in this game

[hushed girder]

Damn wall jump boss

[smoky bridge]

If you die you donate anyways

[light swan]

uhhhhhh ||landing any attack, including up attacks and side attacks, will refresh double jump||

[void moat]

ooohhh

[smoky bridge]

Oh that's obvious innit

[exotic dome]

truth nuke. all of them should deal 1

[hushed girder]

I got to the citadel with 1432 rosaries

[light swan]

yea but they dont know it yet and bobbit is fight a boss

[hushed girder]

If I die it’s a fortune for whoever killed me

[raw pawn]

Double contact damage, even in staggers suck so much

[smoky bridge]

God damnit two game discussions on one chat is hell innit

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/second-sentinel-ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-gif-14144986572548286793

[light swan]

at least this was a skissue and not contact damage

[smoky bridge]

Mio channel when

[twin summit]

This is my gameplay

[raw pawn]

It looks like he got tired of you at the end lmao

[light swan]

sorry but it has my watermark on it cuz its mine

[prime vale]

I like the Easter egg with mister mushroom after beating the true ending

[odd hull]

For you

[void moat]

damnit that move keeps getting me 🥹

[light swan]

i have the og clip too

[twin summit]

Lol, i mean I suck at the game

[hushed girder]

Yea. I just try to immerse in the convo, whatever it is, is keeping me from making a dumb decision in my run

[exotic dome]

this is the only time i died in steel soul btw

[smoky bridge]

The problem with removing double contact damage is gonna make it so that you can half your damage on demand.

[raw pawn]

Who said I hate the double damage I just hate double contact damage in bosses like lost lace

[smoky bridge]

By just dashing into the enemy.

Instead of bing hit by they attack.

[twin summit]

It's fun wdym. What is there not too like?

[exotic dome]

team cherry logo with a speech bubble above it

[toxic vigil]

I think that double damage is too early in this game

[smoky bridge]

You can actually do that in the Beastfly fight.

[toxic vigil]

Wait how

[odd hull]

I didn't find it at first. But fr this time

[light swan]

which one

[twin summit]

You can heal 3 masks

[hushed girder]

Beastfly is so bad, they had to make us fight it twice

[light swan]

guys take this

[smoky bridge]

If you are trapped between Beastfly and one of its summons, just dash into the summon when escaping. It deals less damage than if you get hit by the boss.

[twin summit]

Thrice, again in act 7

[toxic vigil]

And that heal is 3 times as expensive, dumbass

[light swan]

why so mean

[twin summit]

3 times faster

[light swan]

3 times faster + midair

[hushed girder]

They’ll make us fight it again in the dlc, watch

[raw pawn]

This video always gets me how he gets tired of you at the end and fucks you lmao

[void moat]

the one where ||egis jumps up then comes at you diagonally, i know youre supposed to go behind them but i keep jumping up instead||

[sharp slate]

what a fun boss

[toxic vigil]

No?? Just lying??
Its only x2 faster. And remember double dmg so its around the same as hk while being double cost

[light swan]

ah, i just jump away with m y double jump lol

anyway im really glad youre struggling against these bosses :D

[strange knot]

Second sentinel my beloved

[void moat]

a bit ashamed since you said this was supposed to be moss mother

[smoky bridge]

You heal 3 masks in less time than the knight healed one.

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/second-sentinel-hollow-knight-silksong-silk-song-my-beloved-gif-11926438749904449193

[twin summit]

Just lock in and don't take damage

[raw pawn]

Second sentinel is such a peak boss

[light swan]

i mean it is the first boss but its way more dificult than moss mother

[odd hull]

True

[sharp slate]

sentinel is so close to being my favorite boss, so close

[light swan]

its closer to bell beast i feel, but much better as a boss

[hushed girder]

Dragon ball z ahh choreography

[smoky bridge]

I like bell beast.

[void moat]

fourth try i totally got it this time

[light swan]

im almost tempted to say feels like lace 1 but thats a bit too much i think

[hushed girder]

Except the camera remains the same

[smoky bridge]

The fight is just... Mossy but good.

[smoky bridge]

The goddn delays always get me

[raw pawn]

Bell beast boss fight is when massive moss charger actually becomes a decent boss

[smoky bridge]

I'm so bad with delayed attacks.

[toxic vigil]

Just lying?? Bind takes 1.4 and focus takes 0.8

Well 0.8 per mask + 0.2 starting

[hushed girder]

Nice, I reached the required messages

[toxic vigil]

And again.
DOUBLE COST HEAL

[hushed girder]

Now we wait

[void moat]

damn i lost again, i might need to put on overlay 😭

[light swan]

yea put on overlay

[hushed girder]

Is this the very first boss?

[light swan]

yes

[void moat]

yeah

[light swan]

getting some nacre and then buying the modifier extension from mel might help if you want analyser

[steep fog]

does anyone agree about sands of karak being the best area lorewise/in a sense of worldbuilding?

[light swan]

nah id still say bilewater tops it

[raw pawn]

I like the amount of synergies multibinder has

[hushed girder]

You should lowkey stick to attacking after dodging. The cooldowns help you recover

[void moat]

YYYYYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twin summit]

Nom nom nom

[smoky bridge]

So it's 1 Vs 1.4 for 3x the heal.
And It's still significantly less committal becaus YOU CAN DO IT IN THE GODDAMN AIR

[hushed girder]

One of the best.

[light swan]

theyre not talking about silksong incase youre under that assumption btw

[steep fog]

YESSSAAAHAHAGAYAYA!!!! YESSSS!!!!!! I LOVE the theme as well ITS SO SAD

[hushed girder]

Sorry

[raw pawn]

Also you always heal while the boss is busy doing an attack so you don't get fucked

[hushed girder]

Is this what you was talking about

[void moat]

says i need an ||old core|| which i do not have as of now

[light swan]

nah tis all good, still good advice

[hushed girder]

About a different game

[light swan]

oh oops i forgot lol

[toxic vigil]

Yea but ITS STILL DOUBLE COST
And time / air heal isn't relevant in exploring / platforming / gauntlets

[light swan]

also i think the runback to the boss was worse in the demo

[raw pawn]

Just put on multibinder in exploration

[hushed girder]

The beast in worm ways had it coming

[void moat]

OHHHH THE HAMMER BOYS HAVE A WINDUP SO I CAN JUST WALK BEHIND THEM AND CONTINUE A COMBO!!! i feel like einstein

[light swan]

im not sure how exactly but it was a main complaint in the demo which was funny

[hushed girder]

Slaughtered it like chicken

[light swan]

duuude i feel like youre gonna love mio so much

[twin summit]

Geometry dash reference

[toxic vigil]

I am talking early act 1.
After that double damage isn't that bad

[void moat]

fifth try i surely got this

[hushed girder]

Slaughterhouse

How long does it take to obtain the image perms after you get enough messages

[light swan]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gd-wave

[hushed girder]

I’m itching to send a silksong clip

[sturdy raptor]

Skong

[light swan]

rivers part is just undoubtedly the best slaughterhouse part man

[steep fog]

I like how team cherry accidentally made their earlier pharloom maps match with the lore when they decided the sands were going to be a desolate waste. it's like they truly DID disappear because the coral gorge was planned before they made the decision. I feel like the longing half the community has for the gorge to be back just fits so well.

[twin summit]

I can hear the music

[hushed girder]

So guys, it took me like 4 hours and 50 minutes to unlock the coral chambers music

[void moat]

WOOOO

fifth times the charm

[hushed girder]

Coral chamber music is one of the best ost in the game

[light swan]

GGS :D:D

[odd hull]

lol that's kinda true

[void moat]

if they throw a hammer boy at me im ragequitting ngl

[steep fog]

I believe awakening to be better

[light swan]

so yea i beat the boss first try when i first played them, as well as hitless first try too

[toxic vigil]

Phantom music peak

[void moat]

oh hey this tube looks just like the person asking for tomo

[hushed girder]

I gotta hear it first to have a opinion

[light swan]

died twice when the full game releasd tho

[void moat]

oh samsk is their name

[steep fog]

oh!!! ur in for a treat

[light swan]

[hushed girder]

Is that the mother silk theme?

[light swan]

[void moat]

YOOO it's that guy

[steep fog]

I just listened to it like 3 minutes ago

[light swan]

[steep fog]

!!!!! and yes its peak

[void moat]

oh they killed me

[hushed girder]

I agree dawg

I remember getting there I was sitting in the room for 20 minutes

[void moat]

awww snap longrange stab

[smoky bridge]

It takes 1.14 second to focus in hollow knight actually.

Also ok lemme just.

33 soul to heal one mask. 11 per nail hits, let's convert to single digits.

Three "soul", heal one mask.
Three masks, nine "soul."

It takes, 9 silk to heal 3 masks. Which means!
Equivalent EXCHANGE

[exotic dome]

how to ruin a decent subplot 101 by team cherry

[steep fog]

mmmmmyeah. I really like the way the ambience in the beginning of the song transitions into this giant god-like arrangement

[toxic vigil]

YOU FORGOT DOUBLE DMG DUMBASS.
So its x2 expensive

[void moat]

ooohhhkay i dont know what to do here

[toxic vigil]

You can't be this bad at math this is ragebait

[torn rock]

fuck it i dont need to see my health anyway

[void moat]

oohhhh it pulls me up

[smoky bridge]

Don't call me a dumbass, first of all.
Second of all. You can heal significantly fucking faster because you heal in the air, nearly 3x as goddamn fast.

[light swan]

ggs on silkspear

[steep fog]

I believe the themes of environmental destruction to have more worth than the coral gorge couldve ever had. the gorge just doesnt fit silksong imo. it seemed too happy and bright to me. dont get me wrong, I do love the gorge and I wanted it back really bad too but I just dont think it would fit

[hushed girder]

Exactly

[void moat]

i see what you meant when this game was more platform oriented

[graceful cairn]

sea tomorrow sorrow of

[hushed girder]

I couldn’t be bothered by sitting there for a while before fighting her

[exotic dome]

sea of somorrow torrow

[hushed girder]

Guess who got image perms, finally

[steep fog]

new news: sea of sorrow cancelled forever 😔

[smoky bridge]

• Hornet gets to regenerate silk for free, eventually with hearts and a tool, so you are in fact capable of offsetting the healing cost.

[hushed girder]

I wish it was yesterday

[void moat]

ooohhhh so thats what the green things are for then

[light swan]

isnt it awesome that the first ability in mio is a super dynamic movement ability that sets up the rest of the game’s fluid movement

and not a lame basic boring attack that doesn’t change how she feels and will just get replaced soon

[toxic vigil]

Ngl the reason why i think beast crest pogo isn't really good is bc just clawline if you are to the side of the enemy but in the air

[graceful cairn]

aw fuh nah bruh

[light swan]

theyre called energy crystals btw

[void moat]

ic

[smoky bridge]

What is this compared to btw?

[void moat]

hm

[smoky bridge]

Trying to figure out.

[hushed girder]

Had to show the warding bell save

[void moat]

||egis is gone||

[hushed girder]

Forgot spoiler thing mb

[light swan]

silksong

[light swan]

yea uou fuckin killed him meany

[smoky bridge]

?? Isn't the first upgrade sprint?

[light swan]

it’s silkspear

[void moat]

im used to silksong leaving the bosses corpses

[smoky bridge]

Wait I forgot about silkspear. It's more of a tool tbh.

[sharp slate]

reaper crest getting its respect hell yea

[light swan]

exactly

[light swan]

is it because he’s the “worn down” sentinel

[toxic vigil]

Reaper crest when wanderer gains more silk than it

[steep fog]

@void moat abandon your title. you haven't even chimed into the karak discussion at all!

[hushed girder]

It’s like the best thing that’s happened, and I never got it on my first run

[light swan]

are you just an ableist prick who hates everything that isn’t fully pristine and functioning

[sharp slate]

more annoying for flying enemies though, more narrow of a nail

[void moat]

my bad ive been mioing it

let me save my game then ill join in trust

[toxic vigil]

Just pogo?

[steep fog]

lmao

[toxic vigil]

Or clawline

[smoky bridge]

I mean it's still a good silk skill. It's got one of the better damage to time ratios.

[steep fog]

dw its like... already over tbh

[sharp slate]

you aint gonna have clawline whole game tbf

[void moat]

bummer

[light swan]

noi keep playing

[smoky bridge]

So you're bad at it.

[sharp slate]

i'm a big reaper supporter, though i prefer wanderer myself

[void moat]

it's almost 3 am and my neck is in serious pain i must rest 🥹

[sharp slate]

reaper just feels safer

[light swan]

fair and valid

if i keep talking i’ll end up not sleeping too

[toxic vigil]

Then just pogo

[sharp slate]

kinda dangerous still

[light swan]

good work my friend

[void moat]

how many hours is mio im curious

[smoky bridge]

You just gotta learn.

[torn rock]

YAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

[light swan]

also youlll have to get above the enemy which isn’t the easiest thing in the world especially before double jump

[torn rock]

first tried egis that was intense lol

[smoky bridge]

Depends how good you are at following hints and sniffing out semi-hidden areas.

[light swan]

what happened

[sharp slate]

I know how to do it, im just saying reaper is more safe than wanderers in this regard

[light swan]

NICEE :D

unfortunately bobbitt took 5 attempts lol

i too first tried the boss tho, isnt mio amazing

[toxic vigil]

Iguesss

[void moat]

the diagonal jump attack and not reacting to their teleports got me killed so many times

[torn rock]

for not having dodge yet starting with double jump is so nice

[void moat]

i keep forgetting theres no contact damage

[smoky bridge]

For me it was second try cause I have no awareness and waltzed in two health.

[mental acorn]

he payphone is so cool

[lavish apex]

this ignores all of the equippables hk1 gives you to improve soul gathering tbf

[smoky bridge]

I like. Didn't consider the corpse pile to be foreshadowing anything.

[smoky bridge]

Do people use... Soul catcher?

[lavish apex]

in silksong it's basically just druid's eye for 80% of the game until it gets upgraded

[smoky bridge]

I was under the impression that people kinda hated soul catcher.

[lavish apex]

yes i use soul catcher i think it's a very good charm

[void moat]

i sniffed it out a mile away, any beast that can kill the unstoppable evil that is a hammer boy is trouble

[lavish apex]

grubsong also exists and is infinitely better than silksong's equivalent

[smoky bridge]

I was saying that, but a lot of people seemed to not like it back when I was in the HK community.

[light swan]

impaled with his own hammer outside the egis room btw

[void moat]

that's just mean!

[pure shoal]

Early on in hk soul catcher is used alot.
But its not very effective
Last i checked it was worse than spell twister ( also 2 notches )
But obviously spell twister is for spells only

[mental acorn]

mnemonids are dead driftlins

[torn rock]

playing silksong made me notice when im close to getting a movement ability because theres no way back up lol

[toxic vigil]

No?

[lavish apex]

and soul eater and spell twister although spell twister doesn't relate to healing directly

[smoky bridge]

I just still don't think Silksong healing is "worse"

[toxic vigil]

Also shape of unn gived movable heal

[exotic dome]

silksong's healing is infinitely better

[lavish apex]

oh 100% i agree with you

[light swan]

silksong healing is better because it deals a lot of damage

[smoky bridge]

It is significantly less committal and maintains the pace.

[lavish apex]

who said it was?

[exotic dome]

i agree druids eye needs a buff

[toxic vigil]

If compared at 1 mask dmg? No
If compared at 2 masks vs 1 mask? Yes

[light swan]

yea, like how you need swift step to get out of the dash area

[smoky bridge]

Also I do not appreciate being called a dumbass.

[mental acorn]

memory crystal

[smoky bridge]

So like shut up.

[hushed girder]

Ping ponged to death

[dry olive]

Yo wth why is the lace fight actually kinda hard

[toxic vigil]

Kinda sorry but you genuinely were

[dry olive]

But peak lwk

[light swan]

also i forgot to answer this but it’s generally around 20

i think blebbles took around 15

i took around 25

[earnest drift]

silksong healing is objectively better designed than hollow knight's healing

[void moat]

ic ic

[light swan]

this is for the first ending only

[timid sky]

holy shit

[smoky bridge]

It's also built to disincentivise face tanking.

[timid sky]

more more lore

[lavish apex]

objectively better designed is wrong

[smoky bridge]

Which was super easy in HK, unless they made the boss just never give you the chance to heal.

[lavish apex]

they are very very different mechanics

[toxic vigil]

One of them is made out of coldshard thing

[light swan]

second ending took me 37 hours, 100% took me 54 hours, and i have over 160 hours in the game rn

[smoky bridge]

Which is. Not a fun design space.

[toxic vigil]

The other is an actual bug

[lavish apex]

and each game is balanced around how they work accordingly

[torn rock]

awww the music is cute in like the getting ability area

[smoky bridge]

Yeah. You can notice it in how the harder bosses are design

[light swan]

song so good i started a geometry dash level to it

[mental acorn]

mnemonids are named after memory. coldshard is memory crystal. memory crystal is coldshard formed on the dead or damaged.

[smoky bridge]

NKG is hard because there is no time to heal. Until he is staggered.

[hushed girder]

I remember everytime I saw a ability spot I would appreciate the environment

[earnest drift]

silksong's healing allows for the player's freedom of decision for whether to continue attacking the boss or take a heal and lets bosses be difficult without killing all heal windows

[mental acorn]

coldshard.

[light swan]

silksongs healing has witch bind which is the ultimate pinnacle of game design

[toxic vigil]

The difficulty curve should NEVER go down.
But in sk it does.

[torn rock]

im so dumb i used the thing on an enemy and i pushed it down and followed it and now i cant get back up 😭

[void moat]

silksong has khann and karak instant 10/10

[lavish apex]

i for one enjoy that there is more skill expression in finding openings for hk1 heals and more flexibility with the resource but i equally appreciate how silksong's keeps up the faster flow of combat so well

[earnest drift]

hollow knight's healing was too flexible and so bosses had to delete heal windows in order to be hard
silksong's committal of 9 silk to 3 masks is better

[light swan]

oh i know where you are lol

[smoky bridge]

Man you just here to complain about literally everything I have not seen you say one positive thing wts

[lavish apex]

silksong would be a terrible game with hk1 healing

[earnest drift]

it goes down in both games

[earnest drift]

i blame it on having a heart system of health

[twin summit]

Yes yes yes yes yes

[light swan]

which is why witch bind combines both dynamic and free healing in silksong with the skill expression in finding openings in hk :D man i love this crest

[earnest drift]

hornet 1 took me longer to beat than absolute radiance

[toxic vigil]

Khann when some angry conchfly is harder than him and his entire gauntlet

[smoky bridge]

Mio health system is. Interesting.

[twin summit]

Ma'am, mio isn't even that good

[lavish apex]

and you're a freak for that

[light swan]

seems pretty simple to me

[toxic vigil]

I mean i did absrad 1st try but thats bc i got stuck for weeks on nkg

[smoky bridge]

It works just like the mask system, but then the game occasionally rolls up to you and goes "hey btw, we're taking that back.

[smoky bridge]

Hey don't call me a bro btw thank you very much.

[mental acorn]

silksong SUCKS because GODHOME which released a year and a half after the original game is NOT in SILKSONG

[smoky bridge]

Yay!

It is that good tho. You are wrong.

[earnest drift]

it was a pretty common occurrence
i struggled on things like hornet 1 and mantis lords for days, then hornet sentinel, the hollow knight and radiance were beaten in under an hour

[light swan]

also gives you a damage upgrade as well as buffs a specific mod and also has major story relevance and is completely avoidable (although players likely dont know how on a first playthrough)

man the mechanic in mio is genuinely so well designed

[earnest drift]

i think it's because they almost always deal 1 dmg while your health increases throughout the game

[smoky bridge]

The tremors are avoidable??

[light swan]

how did they make such an interesting counterintuitive mechanic so good

[lavish apex]

see i just can't understand that, i was utter dogshit on my first hk playthrough and i beat hornet 1 in like half an hour tops

[earnest drift]

silksong was similar but at least lost lace took me longer to beat than lace 1

[lavish apex]

maybe even single digit attempts

[light swan]

all of them

[lavish apex]

absrad took me like 4 hours

[light swan]

except for one specific location

but if you don’t go there you’ll avoid it

[smoky bridge]

Yeah and people are very... Um. Complacent in that, which is why they get terrorized by the few enemies that deal double damage

[light swan]

there’s 2 which will always happen in the same place, those two are conpletely irrelevant for beating the game

[earnest drift]

so hk and sk both have backwards difficulty curves but hk's is worse in my experience

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but I wanna explore

:v

[light swan]

the last one is more common but i don’t fully understand the flags for it

[azure patrol]

Chat ever heard of "third time is the charm"?

[lavish apex]

they both have acceprable difficulty curves

[torn rock]

map 🤑

[lavish apex]

the endgame bosses in hk have always been by far the hardest

[smoky bridge]

I wouldn't call it backwards is more like... Stalker's difficulty curve

[lavish apex]

for me
and at least 95% of the playerbase

[light swan]

for reference it’s 1 period cramp with line 8 differen tpossible locations and if you happen to get one specific location then you can’t avoid it

you can fully explore the area before activating the flags for the period cramp though

[smoky bridge]

There's a hill, then Dip, then hill again.

[lavish apex]

silksong isn't quite the same but the hardest bosses in the game are mostly act 3 exclusive

[earnest drift]

then why did the time taken to beat all of them combined still not equal hornet 1

[azure patrol]

I don't think so. The only difficulty level in hk I would swap would be soul master and mantis lords

[lavish apex]

because you're a genuine freak

[light swan]

because you’re a FREAK 😡

hah! freak!

[smoky bridge]

Probably because you finally learned how the buttons work.

[earnest drift]

both of those took me longer than nightmare king grimm

[polar stag]

is there a way to permanently erase saves from older patches while keeping cloud saves on?

[lavish apex]

your experience is a drastic outlier and i can only assume it comes from hk being like the first game you ever played or something

[azure patrol]

Soul master is times easier than mantis lords in first play through
I was like "I was hardstuck for hours beating mantis lords and this dude was that easy?"

[polar stag]

every time I erase them and reenable cloud saves, they come back

[earnest drift]

don't a lot of players get hardstuck on hornet 1

wait let me check achievements

[light swan]

hornet 1 i beat in like 2 tries

[lavish apex]

not that i've ever heard

nobody else i know has except for that frito guy in here

[exotic dome]

yep

[azure patrol]

True, but it is the true beginning boss. You beat it by actually getting good. Using spells, dodging attack and taking advantage of staggers

[earnest drift]

is 37% a lot

[smoky bridge]

Mantis lords are guarding the access to Deepnest. They are harder on purpose becaus you're supposed to leave and come back with better spells.

[smoky bridge]

Not really, a lot of people turn on a game once and never again.

[polar stag]

is discussion of both HK games allowed in here now? It'd be nice to be able to discuss both in 1 channel.

[lavish apex]

considering how many people have bought the game because it was cheap and well liked and probably barely played it i would say no

[smoky bridge]

Not sure why people do that tbh

[azure patrol]

I think so. The %37 is the friend you invite to play the game but leaves in forgotten crossroads (they only play 5 competetive games)

[lavish apex]

how does that compare to false knight

[lavish apex]

ok

so
no
a lot of players do not get hard stuck on hornet 1

[azure patrol]

But you need the mantis claws. There is also a vendor in fungal wastes. All eventually leading to mantis lords.

[exotic dome]

it took me 5 tries i think

[strange knot]

It’s not that bad most ppl prob die to random enemy in kings pass and never play the game again

[lavish apex]

yeah

[sullen smelt]

hi every one

[lavish apex]

ok genuine question for lace the human did you play any 2d game with some semblance of action combat before hk1

at all

if the answer is no then this makes more sense

[earnest drift]

....................broforce............................................................

[light swan]

@worthy lintel yayyy ultimate chicken spider

[azure patrol]

Fun fact: Only 5-10% of Minecraft players have "Free the end" achievement
Thats right a game with over 300 million copies sold with tens of millions of active players and only %10 of them have beaten Minecraft without cheats.

[lavish apex]

idk what broforce is so i'm gonna assume that my theory is right

[earnest drift]

more players doesn't increase a percentage

[exotic dome]

people who are not familiar with these type of games do

but they also get stuck on false knight so idk

[azure patrol]

Just supporting my claim

[strange knot]

I haven’t beat mc without cheats either

[azure patrol]

Technically if 300 million copies of minecraft are sold that means only 30 million people have actually beaten the end

[earnest drift]

looking at the achievements for both games it looks like silksong is more attractive to continue playing or smth

[azure patrol]

Before the end update even

[polar stag]

how long until a release trailer for SoS do you all think? since it's coming in the next update?

[exotic dome]

silksong's early game is more straightforward

[azure patrol]

It won't come before Hungry Knight II for sure

[azure patrol]

There is far less bs difficulty spikes

And hk has a shitload of them

[earnest drift]

despite lost lace being harder

[exotic dome]

crossroads' level design is not very good imo

[earnest drift]

how come

[lavish apex]

this is kinda true

[cloud timber]

[exotic dome]

i've seen a lot of my friends dropping the game because crossroads is confusing for no reason

[light swan]

same

[still osprey]

Crossroads is kinda ass

[earnest drift]

that's odd i thought nonlinear exploration was a good thing

[exotic dome]

it's good if done correctly

[cloud timber]

@azure patrol Pale king simp🥀

[polar stag]

personally I can't wait for dlss5 to unwoke Hornet and make her look like an uncanny instagram model

[light swan]

also it sets a bad tone because kings pass is a basic bkue cave area, so is dirt mouth so is crossroads

[light swan]

crossroads is good it’s just not as approachable

[sullen smelt]

hi

[earnest drift]

silksong has nonlinear exploration in earlygame but you kind of have to know exactly what you're doing beforehand
farming enough rosaries and opening up the wormways

[torn rock]

the lore descriptions feel like nier automata to me i love it

[azure patrol]

Hk has many difficulty spikes that keeps he player stuck and eventually rage quit those 3 are
Hornet protector
Mantis Lords
Traitor Lord

[earnest drift]

traitor lord??

[lavish apex]

traitor lord is quite easy

[azure patrol]

Farming is the worst part

[light swan]

glad you’re enjoying mio

[exotic dome]

struggling on mantis lords was very enjoyable for me

[earnest drift]

what's the earliest point in hk that the path diverges and it's no longer linear

is it fungal wastes

[open agate]

SOS TMRW GUYS TRUST

[exotic dome]

fungal wastes

[azure patrol]

It isn't for first play through at least for me

[exotic dome]

traitor lord is easy if you figure out you can dash through him

[earnest drift]

silksong only clearly diverges by shellwood when you go back to greymoor and sinner's road, but technically the path already splits by the marrow

[light swan]

i liked act 1s linearity but i feel it should’ve stopped in far fields

[chilly mountain]

15 hours till tadc 📢

[azure patrol]

Yeah this boss introduces the player to double damage and runbacks at the same time😭😭

[earnest drift]

is wall climbing gained too late

[strange knot]

Tf is tadc

[exotic dome]

if they didnt add that wormways locked door...

[earnest drift]

soul master did that

[lavish apex]

there are a few different ways into fungal wastes and you can also hypotheticlaly farm enough geo to go to crystal peak early although you won't get far but i would say the main divergence point in hk1 is claw

[earnest drift]

well not double damage

[lavish apex]

in silksong it's clawline

[exotic dome]

i think it's wall jump

you can go 2 different ways to reach act 2 after beating widow

thats nonlinear

[azure patrol]

Soul Master at least have several bottles of soul for healing and spell before his fight. Traitor lord after a wave of disgusting platforming full of annoying enemies he gives you more mantis traitors

[lavish apex]

your only choices after cling grip are essentially needolim then sinner's road into the mist or blasted steps

[earnest drift]

so what choices can you make with mantis claw

[exotic dome]

or you can explore act 1 areas with wall jump and also discover weavenest atla with needolin

[earnest drift]

iirc deepnest, crystal peak and city of tears

wait is desolate dive needed for peak

[lavish apex]

you can go to howling cliffs, deepnest, city, or crystal peak if you get lantern

[polar stag]

no. there's another entrance to peak I think that you don't need to break the floor for

[earnest drift]

what is in howling cliffs again

[exotic dome]

true

[lavish apex]

grimm troupe start, cyclone slash, gorb and money

[strange knot]

Ascend with gorb

[lavish apex]

also joni's blessing

[light swan]

no it’s fine where it is, but the game doesnt HAVE to start branching at cling grip

[earnest drift]

so does the wormways path not count or

[lavish apex]

also city in itself offers massive divergence

[azure patrol]

It is only required to open a shortcut.
The only thing you need for crystal peak is a lumafly lantern that costs 1800 geo. Worst part is I can't blame the little poor guy because he just wanna survive with his hard earned geo selling his hard earned trinkets.

[polar stag]

actually I think you can access Peak without Mantis Claw or DDive

[exotic dome]

almost nobody takes this route because the simple key is expensive

[polar stag]

but some parts are innaccessible

[light swan]

nah it does count but i feel like it’s just so out of the way that 80% of players arent gonna do it on first platbtlugh

[lavish apex]

from city you can go to waterways which can go to city 2 which can go to resting grounds or kingdom's edge or basin

[light swan]

it’s more of dressing for second playthroughs and not truly nonlinear exploration

[exotic dome]

i remember discovering wormways very early but i didnt wanna farm for that key

[light swan]

in mio for example you can explore 2 halves of the world separately after the first ability

[exotic dome]

city is just peak

[light swan]

exploration really feels like a web

in silksong you get a branching path that feels more like a shortcut for experienced players

rather than nonlinear exploration

[lavish apex]

cot is my favorite area in either game for a reason

[worthy stream]

Has anyone ever thought "oh hey it's a snail shaman" when they saw the chapel maid, bell hermit and caretaker on their first playthrough?

[light swan]

i guess part of that is why i felt led in silksong, not like i was exploring

[lavish apex]

many reasons actually

[fallow sorrel]

Hollow Knight is better than Silksong in that regard, you only have to visit like 3 areas then you can go wherever you want in nearly any order

[lavish apex]

i don't think nonlinearity is strictly better than linearity but the openness is done very well in hk

[polar stag]

I agree that Act 1 Silksong is fairly linear compared to HK, but Act 2 opens up exploration a whole lot. Act 2 is mindblowing imo and there's so many cool areas

[exotic dome]

true

[light swan]

there’s citadel, bilewater, fay

ummm underworks, sands of karak

whispering vaults, high halls

[exotic dome]

i enjoyed act 2's exploration

[light swan]

putrified fucks

[lavish apex]

act 2 has great exploration

[odd hull]

Cogwork core, the memorium

[light swan]

memorium

[strange knot]

We all hate that area

[exotic dome]

you can go to 11 new different areas i think

[lavish apex]

and it is actually a bit less linear, although the order in which you get ability pickups is still pretty funneling

[fallow sorrel]

I mean it is a metroidvania. Sure, alot of the time you havebto go a similar path in most of them, but they pride themselves on exploration. Act 1 feels so horribly linear, you have to go out of your way to explore otherwise you'll miss alot and not get the full experience.

[polar stag]

Hey that's where our caravan is and you WILL ENJOY maddashing back through the muck and spit squits to reach us every time!

[exotic dome]

please team cherry add a shorcut from pharloom bay bellway to pale lake

[lavish apex]

nothing in silksong's map design feels as cool as the way everything kinda converges on city/resting grounds to me

[azure patrol]

I think hk is better than silksong in 2 regards despite silksong being an upgrade in almost every aspect of hk.
1- Boss repositioning doesn't exist in silksong which is what made hk bosses engaging like traitor lord, hornet, broken vessel
2- Farming geo is gross for a masterpiece like sk. Hk isn't any better as geo becomes useless after kingdoms edge but at least you don't farm for geo. Imo silksong should add more items that can be broken into resources with higher value.

[exotic dome]

citadel is the same level as city for me

[fallow sorrel]

Omfg I hate rosary farming, especially in act 3

[lavish apex]

boss repositioning very much exists in silksong

as an issue

[exotic dome]

resting grounds equivalent would've been cool

[lavish apex]

wait i might have misunderstood what you meant

[fallow sorrel]

The pain I feel watching Second Sentinel take a single step and kill me

[exotic dome]

untelegraphed attacks do not make bosses engaging

[lavish apex]

yeah idk what we're talking about

[azure patrol]

No runback too great.
No cocoon to reclaim.
No will to continue.
No sound insulation to cry suffering.

[lavish apex]

both games have it and it's not a good thing in either one

[azure patrol]

Markoth 😭

[polar stag]

I actually think Silksong's economy is better because it's more conservative with rosaries. It incentivizes you to weigh your choices at shops and consider how you will actually use or benefit from them, instead of buying out shops in 1 or 2 trips and never using anything you buy. It also gives you more opportunity to interact with NPCs on return trips and see how locations might've changed.

[torn rock]

yeah i think this is the most metroidvania matroidvania ive played

[exotic dome]

markoth is like

bed of chaos of hollow knight

[odd hull]

What

[exotic dome]

it's one of the metroidvanias ever

[lavish apex]

the problem is that it actually incentivizes grinding

[odd hull]

Humanity is worse with both of them existing

[exotic dome]

you still have to farm at some point. i think some bosses should've given rosary awards with chests

[lavish apex]

it's nearly inevitable for 100%, so much that the speedrun route spends like 15 entire minutes fighting grand reeds

[polar stag]

I think it depends on how frequently you die but I almost never had to farm rosaries.

[lavish apex]

to be able to buy every shop item and donation?

you have to, at least a little bit, even after the patch

and even if you never double die

[azure patrol]

In silksong. I don't think so. Widow could literally be beaten by just moving between place A and place B. Even lost lace give free opportunity for twice double binder

[polar stag]

I saved my rosary threads/necklaces and made sure to thoroughly explore everything, and any enemies I kill on the journey through the game usually keeps me with a hefty sum of rosaries

[exotic dome]

add a hut next to groal's house and inside it add 1-2k worth of rosary necklaces stolen from citadel bugs

that would be a good reward for bilewater

[lavish apex]

i have felt the need to farm on every playthrough

even knowing every single relic and psalm cylinder location

[polar stag]

again, I never try and buy out shops on the first trip. I only buy what I actually want or can make use of

[exotic dome]

yeah you STILL have to farm. i still had to farm in my steel soul save which was my 5th playthrough

[lavish apex]

exactly

[teal ridge]

ed edd and eddy

[lavish apex]

even leaving stuff i don't want for later

[exotic dome]

also signis and gron definitely has a secret rosary stash somewhere. it would also feel good after beating a boss

[lavish apex]

btw. the vast majority of shop items in hk are pretty good

[polar stag]

I had a very different experience. Idk what to say. I think I farmed like once or twice, very briefly through my entire playthrough

[lavish apex]

not things you'll never use

spider strings is some shit you'll never use

[azure patrol]

I wonder how hard silksong is after getting all achievements on hollow knight

[lavish apex]

all of salubra's charms except for lifeblood heart are decent (except for the one that's objectively broken), and the notches

leg eater's stuff is obviously good

[exotic dome]

ofc it's possible i wish i had the same experience too lol. the thing is majority of people complain about this issue

[teal ridge]

generally, current silksong is easy compared to hollow knight. since it doesnt have and dlcs yet. in my opinion

[polar stag]

I disagree on HK items being that useful. There are a handful, but most charms I never even touch and I just stick with a handful of the most meta charms, rather than the interesting/quirky stuff that doesn't actually help that much

[exotic dome]

hk has some useless stuff too

but silksong's useless stuff is expensive

[lavish apex]

sprintmaster heavy blow and the more iframes one aren't great from sly and obviously the egg is a meme but the rest of his stock is great

[polar stag]

I got a lot of use out of most everything I bought in Silksong

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/godbyechat-cat-gif-21366868

[azure patrol]

Quick focus?

[lavish apex]

shaman stone

[teal ridge]

the harp makes your needloing affect a larger area

[exotic dome]

that's not the banan cat

[lavish apex]

quick focus is like the next best charm below the big 3 though

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-cat-banana-hungry-void-cat-gif-16626119171143575104

[azure patrol]

Which is the big 3?
And don't tell me mop is one of them

[exotic dome]

[still osprey]

Quick Focus + Stalwart Shell genuinely makes it hard to die in hk

[lavish apex]

quickslash, strength, shaman stone

[torn rock]

acat down

[exotic dome]

320 rosaries btw

[lavish apex]

i personally feel like 100% silksong has you buy a lot more useless shit than hk does

[torn rock]

hated it before silksong, couldnt play without it after silksong

[azure patrol]

This is p3 btw

[lavish apex]

and it is more annoying because of the structure of rosaries

[worthy lintel]

The harp is a scam

[exotic dome]

they need to buff the useless shit man

[polar stag]

I think Silksong's shop items were overall more useful for my experience playing. I used tools a lot, pouch upgrades and memory lockets are always great to buy, Mask and Spool Fragments too.

I engaged with the Crest and Tool system a lot more than I ever did with Charms

[teal ridge]

make needloin affected enemies take damage overtime

[raw pawn]

Imagine if spider strings let you stun enemies faster with the needolin

[azure patrol]

Yeah like how they made niche charms in hk like deep focus and carefree melody better tools in silksong

[lavish apex]

very much the opposite for me

[raw pawn]

Quick focus was great in both HK and SK (injector band)

[exotic dome]

i agree crest and tool system is a lot more engaging

[lavish apex]

on repeat playthroughs i buy memory lockets exclusively to unlock vesticrests and hunter evolution because i hate using anything other than it or wanderer

[azure patrol]

I would rather stick to multibinder

[lavish apex]

i don't care about tools until i get injector band

[raw pawn]

I hate how shaman is locked until act 3 I love using it

[lavish apex]

and then i put on injector band for the rest of the run

[fallow sorrel]

Not even good for half the bosses with that bind

[graceful cairn]

just dont get hit

[lavish apex]

slap multibinder or claw mirror and then put volt filament in the vesticrest when that shows up and i never think about builds again

[raw pawn]

Shaman pogo is great tho

[graceful cairn]

second best in the game!

[polar stag]

I 112'd HK and 100%ed Silksong and got all the mementos and such. I think most of Silksong's changes and additions are amazing. I fucking love both games but Silksong surpassed the original for me in a lot of ways

[exotic dome]

replaying with different builds was so fun

[graceful cairn]

i think id enjoy it more if there werent so many slop quests

dont you love collecting silver bells?

[azure patrol]

Something something savage beastfly

[earnest drift]

which ones are the worst

[fallow sorrel]

I think shard farming is worse than rosary farming since you have to do it so damn often. Like if you don't beat a boss in 10-20 tries while making consistent uses of your tools you have to go do something else. Shards are a terrible system, especially with good tools costing so much if you use all of them.

[polar stag]

that quest aint that great yeah

[lavish apex]

i prefer most aspects of the first game

[graceful cairn]

silver bells, collecting pins, collecting pilgrims garb, etc

[earnest drift]

imo most quests are fine if you get them early and get the materials naturally on your journey

[graceful cairn]

most gathering quests

[polar stag]

I think most of my actual criticisms for Silksong are in Act 3, but Act 3 also has amazing bosses like Karmelita, Khann, and Seth

[exotic dome]

taps the sign

[lavish apex]

but what silksong does better it does fantastically

[earnest drift]

are those last two really that bad? you'll be killing a lot of citadel soldiers and pilgrims regardless

[raw pawn]

Why didn't sprintmaster try to make the race harder for his memento

[stable narwhal]

shea of sorrwos tomrnmow

[fallow sorrel]

Oh my...

Sea of Sharrows

[exotic dome]

movement

[polar stag]

Oh Act 3 also has that escape from the Abyss sequence with the rising lava. That shit was peak!

[lavish apex]

like it has the best run of critical path bosses i've ever seen even if some the optional ones dip into abysmal shitter territory, and the most satisfying and fun and well tuned movement in any 2d game i've ever played

[stable narwhal]

i need to go to the sea

[raw pawn]

Sea of sorrow tomorrow = sorrow

[lavish apex]

and a lot of moments that just have immaculate presentation

[exotic dome]

good bosses in silksong are fantastic

[polar stag]

I think Act 3's biggest weakness is backtracking and exploration

[raw pawn]

I always forget to do the bells quest in bellhart

[exotic dome]

(bad bosses are awful)

[fallow sorrel]

Dude you saying critical js reminded me of kingdom hearts and now I wish silksong could have harder difficulties where the bosses need more skill

[graceful cairn]

if i say sea of sorrow is tomorrow everyday i will be right one day

[raw pawn]

Deltaruner mentality

[exotic dome]

seas ofo tororrorowomorw

[stable narwhal]

shawrrow

[fallow sorrel]

Sea of Marrow

[graceful cairn]

i guess? i just think theyre really unnecessary and dont add anything to the experience

[stable narwhal]

im going insane

[polar stag]

If I had to rank the Acts I'd say

2

1

3

but 3 had some phenomenal boss fights

[stable narwhal]

inject me with plasminum i will make my own sea of sorrow

[raw pawn]

I think the wailing mother wish sucked mainly because I have to fight broodmother and because the reward sucks

[fallow sorrel]

What if its not a zote boat but a zotesub and quirrel stole it to help us beat plasmified uumuu in sea of sorrow

[graceful cairn]

so true

[exotic dome]

agree

[lavish apex]

outside of putting on The Fire Enemy Tool against Fire Enemies

[exotic dome]

bosses carry act 3

[graceful cairn]

and you have to go to the slab and who goes to the slab

[exotic dome]

criminals

[fallow sorrel]

Me alot before I found Grand Bellway

[raw pawn]

Sinners

[stable narwhal]

act 3 is carried by purple trobbio

[graceful cairn]

true...

[raw pawn]

All acts are carried by trobbio actually (even 1)

[graceful cairn]

DUDE

[graceful cairn]

trobbio is in our hearts

[fallow sorrel]

I took an unfortunate amount of time to find Grand Bellway, Songclave and Cogwork Dancers

[exotic dome]

savage beastfly was brown trobbio in a costume

[graceful cairn]

trobbio actually fucking sucks in speedruns

[polar stag]

I'm smiling thinking about the ascent up Blasted Steps to Last Judge though. Peak atmosphere and awesome, climactic fight. People talk about the runback, but I think Last Judge's runback is actually a fantastic example of how to do runback well.

[fallow sorrel]

I think Criege should clone himself so we can fight Criegework Dancers

[exotic dome]

why

[lavish apex]

playing through silksong without blue and yellow tools and sticking to hunter exclusively is a much less interesting challenge than playing through hollow knight with no charms and that sort of encompasses why i feel the way i do about both customization systems

[graceful cairn]

were you just in the left side the whole time 😭

[raw pawn]

I think a vog boss fight would be peak

Imagine vog kicking your ass in the pantheons

[stable narwhal]

i think tc giggled to themselves while making trobbio's long and dramatic entrance thinking about how speedrunners will seethe

[lavish apex]

charms certainly have their balance issues and it's not the best system i've seen in a metroidvania but i prefer it

[fallow sorrel]

I honestly don't remember, I just know I was failing

[exotic dome]

i still don't think runbacks are a good thing but this is valid

[raw pawn]

Vog already kicked my ass in flea dodge tho 🥀

[graceful cairn]

flea dodge can burn in fucking hell bro

[fallow sorrel]

I think when Hornet dies instead of a runback we should take her off the portal of power and put on anothwr skylander

[raw pawn]

I swear vog can get a much higher score in flea dodge but she just doesn't care

[graceful cairn]

why did we stop with the little physical guys for games that was so fun

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer suckass

[exotic dome]

that's not necessarily a bad thing. that means it's not as enjoyable to do the exact same challenge in a different game

[polar stag]

I think runbacks have their place and punishment for failure in games is a good thing when executed well. You actually have to think about what caused you to fail and play better instead of respawning at the start of the fight and throwing yourself at it over and over.

[fallow sorrel]

This incentivises irl rosary farming so you can 100%

[exotic dome]

wtf happend to my keyboard

[fallow sorrel]

I think it js fell off. Skylanders flopped, alot of other people who tried it failed, Lego Dimensions was good so IDK why they canned that and Disney Infinity... I don't know what happened with Disney Infinity

[exotic dome]

i guess i'm fine with the last judge runback. verdania and bilewater runbacks are not really well designed tho

[graceful cairn]

lego dimensions was PEAK bro

[lavish apex]

it kinda is for me, like charms just feel like they do more somehow even though crests technically change things more

[strange knot]

Kind of

[polar stag]

More games need to be able to punish the player for failing instead of just patting them on the back and saying "go again, champ". It's failure for a reason.

[fallow sorrel]

IKR, IT WAS THE SHIT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER
YOU GOT A GAME AND A LEGO FIGURE AND A CAR? 5 YEAR OLD ME WAS IN HEAVEN DUDE

Lego Dimensions on the xbox 360 was glorious

[polar stag]

Not every game ofc, but games designed to be challenging need to punish failure more

[graceful cairn]

true

you cant even play it anymore cause everythings so damn expensive now

[fallow sorrel]

Yeah, unless you got spare shit you js locked out

[raw pawn]

Cherry trobbio

[polar stag]

One of my favorite games is Sifu. Just throwing yourself at each level over and over until you've mastered every inch, every encounter.

[inland sparrow]

Sifu is peak

[graceful cairn]

yeah but some games dont know how to do a runback *cough cough* mio

[polar stag]

The combat in Sifu is so fucking good dude

[graceful cairn]

seafood

[inland sparrow]

Ikr

[fallow sorrel]

Lowk main final boss runback was ass

[strange knot]

Sucks that you need to see a random 10 sec cutscene every time you die

[exotic dome]

fuck kratt too he distracted me when i was going for 100+ 💔

[graceful cairn]

shortest runback in the game 😭 😭

[graceful cairn]

sucks that you need to go over to and up a fuckass giant elevator every time you die to the boss that two shots you

[fallow sorrel]

I hate spawning at the ||bottom of nexus and having to take the elevator up there, so boring and ruins the flow||

[strange knot]

Mio runbacks aren’t rlly bad yet aside from that

[exotic dome]

mio has bad runbacks?

[graceful cairn]

STRIDERS UP BRO

[exotic dome]

i didnt notice it

[graceful cairn]

||shii can lift you up and to the right and you can just use the striders the rest of the way||

[exotic dome]

||you can ascend with shii's help and get above||

[fallow sorrel]

If i had image perms rn id send the gif of that smiling emoji that gets shocked ugly style

[fallow sorrel]

First time only

[graceful cairn]

theres an opening below the little mushroom on the bridge

[fallow sorrel]

I NEED that emoji gif omfg

[plucky stag]

you know why he's there and why he volunteered to host this game

[grizzled sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-gif-12014121009539253504

[fallow sorrel]

YES

[graceful cairn]

I think you can get your image perms bro

[fallow sorrel]

I keep getting muted

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-microwave-spin-gif-13316943488117803252

[fallow sorrel]

Final warning!!!

[exotic dome]

what did you do to get muted

[inland sparrow]

For what😭

[grizzled sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-gif-16654674773413281438

[inland sparrow]

Likeing nyleth?

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spin-microwave-gif-1252582325964040053

[earnest drift]

does mio have no runbacks

[exotic dome]

longest one takes about 15 secs i think

[graceful cairn]

mio has some runbacks and all of them suck

cough cough SaV

[fallow sorrel]

First time me and a guy were making too many freaky jokes over Nyleth, second time I fish reacted EVERYTHING and the third time I told the story of my friend saying he wanted to do unsavoury things to Hornet where me and my other friend both told him we hoped she used thread storm

[earnest drift]

suck as in groal the great or in a different way

[polar stag]

Nyleth is a fight that can be enjoyable if you approach it the right way, but Karmelita and Krusty Khann are still better

[exotic dome]

i didnt finish yet but the longest one was ||vlad ||

[lavish apex]

mio runbacks are fine

[fallow sorrel]

Havent even seen him yet, still in his area

[graceful cairn]

in the "why do i have to wait for a long ass elevator trip to the boss just for their 10s starting cutscene to fight them again" way

[lavish apex]

very few of them are that long

[strange knot]

Nyleth is peak

[earnest drift]

so they're long but in no way challenging

[inland sparrow]

Okay so you were basically beiing freaky

[graceful cairn]

pretty much

[lavish apex]

no they aren't very long

[polar stag]

I actually didn't like Khann the first time I fought him, but when I replayed his fight I ended up liking him a lot more

[lavish apex]

typically

[earnest drift]

if a metroidvania had checkpoints immediately before every single boss would that be good

[exotic dome]

no

[lavish apex]

the worst one is probably for the very first boss

[graceful cairn]

lie

[exotic dome]

something like statue(?) of marika from elden ring wouldnt work for metroidvanias i think

[graceful cairn]

even ||shii||'s runback is longer

[lavish apex]

i can't think of any that are as bad

[graceful cairn]

stake

[earnest drift]

is groal's runback badly designed

[lavish apex]

unless i'm just completely missing something about dwellings

[strange knot]

Nah it’s ok from secret bench

[lavish apex]

groal's runback objectively sucks if you miss secret bench

[exotic dome]

it's not that good with secret bench either

[lavish apex]

that is the worst thing about bilewater

[strange knot]

I’ve never did groal’s runback from bellway bench

[hushed girder]

The bench at mount fay is easy to miss

[graceful cairn]

groals runback is just kind of really annoying but i never really struggled with it

[strange knot]

Mask shard room;