sk-discussion

[hazy spear]

Guys hear me out

[exotic dome]

i didnt know this was a thing

[solemn lotus]

The amount of bandwagon jumpers Silksong has attracted is insane

[timid sky]

Those are massive

[hazy spear]

High halls is the best area in the game

[flat lynx]

WHAT IT GROWS

[still osprey]

like what are we doing man

[timid sky]

I’m talking about little mossgrubs

[flat lynx]

still mossgrubs though!

[quartz gulch]

Because I don't want to bind for several seconds every time. Additionally it also sucks for platforming.

[leaden delta]

oh yea sawtooth is easily the best blue tool

[queen acorn]

if your entire premise is wahh wahh long binding then i HIGHLY suggest trying circlet

[smoky bridge]

I dunno if making it faster via a focus system would be good??

[timid sky]

Injector band imo

[queen acorn]

if your diminishing circlet cz you dont like long binding then ion even know

[earnest drift]

great music and clawline heaven, very small though

[leaden delta]

dealing what is it like 30 damage every time you do any action is busted as shit

[hazy spear]

Criminally small

[still osprey]

28 damage yea

[leaden delta]

you just kill guys next to you it’s awesome

[flat lynx]

woah... considering the username change, are you now a ragebaiter?

[queen acorn]

circlet has such a low floor skill but such a high skill ceiling

you can js use it for free damage casually

[hazy spear]

I feel like the bottom part is not as good

[queen acorn]

or you can do the funny

[earnest drift]

i have never been a ragebaiter and never will be a ragebaiter

[quartz gulch]

Faster hitting -> focus produces more silk

The focus is better at giving silk, while the damage buff is removed during focus.

[hazy spear]

But like the top half of high halls is arguably best in the game

Better mood than choral chambers

[earnest drift]

idk about low skill floor, most players deem it as useless the first time

[queen acorn]

also why arey ou comparing ib to sc

[hazy spear]

And bellhart

[spark anchor]

high halls is so cool sucks it's almost the smallest area in the citadel

[queen acorn]

yeah but its not hard to use

[flat lynx]

hmmmmm i did believe you but considering how its missing from your user i dont know what to think anymore

[smoky bridge]

I still think they should just fix the silk. Make the balls give half silk, make them stack with the druid eyes, make them always drop in pairs.

[quartz gulch]

I did try it and it seems unnecessary. The same way that Claw Mirror is only good if you always bind next to enemies and stuff like that. Sure it is good on Witch, but on other crests it doesn't do anything 90% of the time.

[hazy spear]

I doubt it will happen but it would be cool if they expanded on certain areas like high halls in dlc

[flat lynx]

for me its how they tied water into the whole thing, theres something about it that just gives like luxurious shower

[smoky bridge]

Then give it a bonus if you have a bind ready, like for Wanderer, but not a crit

[queen acorn]

sc is good on every crest what?????

dude

[smoky bridge]

I dunno, more damage or smth

[queen acorn]

i PROMISE you you havent been using circlet right

[rose flax]

i find it weird that almost no higher beings have physical dialogue

[edgy patio]

i have to try again, I HAVE TO, this feeling will not go away, and it keeps telling me to try again, there is no other way to stop it only by beating it, im going to do my second steel soul run.

[rose flax]

except for PK and WL

[quartz gulch]

Sure it is good, but not passively. For it to be good, just like CM, you have to actively use it.

[spark anchor]

i mean there are some unused stuff ingame like an unused high halls room and the unused vaults ventrica

[hazy spear]

Or if they do godhome dlc again, a live conductor fight that is in godhome but with high halls theme would be insane

[queen acorn]

dude ion even know anymore

[still osprey]

GMS talks in the silk heart memories

[queen acorn]

yall seeing this bs

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but like. That's... The point of the game.

[hazy spear]

Yes I remember seeing that

[queen acorn]

this tool is bad if your not using it

[flat lynx]

i kind of like it, actions speak more than words kind of thing, especially the fayforn

[earnest drift]

some of my favourite foreshadowing

[flat lynx]

sawtooth goated

[queen acorn]

yep

[rose flax]

obvious bias

[hazy spear]

Maybe romino will be there in dlc :<

[quartz gulch]

Sure, I just like the fast focus more.

[flat lynx]

its lowkey in my blue vesticrest spot cus i just hate taking it off

[earnest drift]

radiance has bad foreshadowing

[queen acorn]

im using injector band and i focus infront of beastfly and get hit therefore it sucks

[still osprey]

I think people should not have opinions on tools they don't use but maybe it's just me

[queen acorn]

true

[rose flax]

i didn’t even know radiance HAD foreshadowing

[edgy patio]

im going to beat the game this time, and it won't beat me.

[still osprey]

there's like, a statue

[rose flax]

other than dreamnail dialogue talking about light

[earnest drift]

it's more subtle than a mosquito landing

[rose flax]

oh yeah forgot about that

[flat lynx]

the statue in crystal peak where one of the pale ores was?

[smoky bridge]

Also the seer.

And the moss prophet.
But moss prophet is super missable.

[flat lynx]

radiance had the same level of obscure foreshadowing that gms did idk bout yall

[smoky bridge]

I have never actually encountered moss prophet before he gets got I only heard about them.

[rose flax]

i just remembered all of the radiance foreshadowing

[queen acorn]

mreow

[quartz gulch]

Bad comparison. You never focus in front of the Beastfly, regardless of the tool. The same can't be said for the circlet, which has to be actively used to do something. Not saying it is bad, but neither the best.

[rose flax]

i’d say it’s not bad, i see how one could connect the dots

[earnest drift]

can the entirety of crystal peak be considered radiance foreshadowing

[smoky bridge]

Why not?

[queen acorn]

NO SHIT CIRCLET IS BAD IF YOUR NOT USING THE ONE THING ITS MADE FOR????

ARE YOU FUCKING DEADASS?????

[hazy spear]

Gms felt kind of random, I personally thought it would be a really old weaver

[smoky bridge]

You're just aggro binding in the wrong spot.

[flat lynx]

no lmao but the infection ravaging the whole land is

[rose flax]

same ngl

[hazy spear]

Radiance no one really knew the lore very well before they fought

[flat lynx]

agreed!

[quartz gulch]

-Statue
-Many of the screams of infected bosses
-Seer
-Dreamer Backgrounds
-Much, much dialogue

[earnest drift]

gms is much more explicitly talked about before her reveal, hornet slowly figures out what's happening she talks to lace about knowing there's a higher being waiting for her at the top, and the dialogue after lace 2

[still osprey]

circlet's only downside is it makes platforming atrocious but like that's on you for using it during platforming

[smoky bridge]

I mean GMS was foreshadowed as a character, not as a design.

Tho the cocoon itself is constantly foreshadowed I think it's cool.

[earnest drift]

radiance's foreshadowing is subtle and split up across a lot of missable sources

[quartz gulch]

Chill out dude, I'm just saying that it doesn't improve on the aspects of my playstyle in any way.

[smoky bridge]

(it is literally the symbol of the citadel)

[hazy spear]

Dialogue after lace 2 is like 2 minutes before the fight 😭

[earnest drift]

and yet a lot of people have no idea wtf is going on when THE RADIANCE appears on the screen

[hazy spear]

But I still kind of assumed this higher being would be a weaver

Like actual mother to all

[smoky bridge]

??

[hazy spear]

Not just made them fake

[flat lynx]

i mean.. so does the knight? much like silk, the infection is literally everywhere, and as a general hollow knight makes far more use of visual storytelling than silksong (theyre both good tho) but they both have pretty similar levels of foreshadowing to final bosses, id say the hollow knight was far more obscure than the radiance tbh

[earnest drift]

it is cool that on replay you can pick up on keywords about dreams and blazing light

[quartz gulch]

Bell Beast fight already forshadows her, and also when first entering the citadel.

[hazy spear]

But not as what she is

[smoky bridge]

"She called us daughters. She called us Divine, she Lied"

[earnest drift]

also gms screaming before some gauntlets is peak

[hazy spear]

I missed first sinner in first playthrough

(before first ending)

[smoky bridge]

Just like moss prophet is missable.

[flat lynx]

same yeah i was not expecting a relative

[hazy spear]

Anyways I gtg

[earnest drift]

i don't know what the knight figures out because they don't say anything or even seem to have a solid goal

[smoky bridge]

:v

[flat lynx]

it was a cool reveal tho icl

[earnest drift]

well they have a goal

[smoky bridge]

I also don't think revealing GMS design before the fight would have improved it?

[earnest drift]

it's just like
why are they doing it again
because thk called out to them?

[flat lynx]

well yeah, the whole point of hk is majoritively based on the knight finding their past by exploring

[smoky bridge]

I think it was cool to see her for the first time in the moment tbh

[flat lynx]

from what ive heard something pulled the knight back to hallownest, after leaving it by completing the abyss climb

[flat lynx]

for sure

[quartz gulch]

They were created to do it, even if they were discarded. An empty vessel would still have an imprint of a will and purpose, however not a will of its own.

[jade hedge]

What pulled them back

[flat lynx]

i presume the hollow knights call

[earnest drift]

so why did they leave hallownest in the first place

[rose forge]

vacation

[jade hedge]

Oh yeah the starting cutscene has thk doing its phase change scream thing

[earnest drift]

so the seer putting all the lore in her last dialogue is weird and not much reason for her to withhold it
radiance statue at hallownest's crown is good foreshadowing, as well with all the talk of blazing light within crystal peak

[jade hedge]

Then it shows the dreamer seals and swaps to the knight

[flat lynx]

a lot of the vessels explore hallownest after leaving the abyss, one of them being the ones in hornet 1's arena, making it out is another thing, i think it was so show that the knight is capable of feats such as that and to come back unharmed

[jade hedge]

Broken vessel sadness death

[earnest drift]

but if their true purpose is to deal with the radiance, why did they leave hallownest and go away from thk

[flat lynx]

omg i forgot about one of the most important vessels

[quartz gulch]

A possibility is fleeing or becoming pure. Fleeing is quite obvious as to what I mean so I'll explain the latter. Since the wastes empty the minds of sapient bugs, the Knight could become pure so to proceed with its role as a vessel.

[jade hedge]

What

[flat lynx]

ok wait scratch what i said about thk being less obvious than the radiance, just remembered theres this massive ass statue of them in the city of tears

[earnest drift]

i really doubt the knight was smart enough to figure that out
"no mind to think"?

[jade hedge]

Memorial to the hollow knight

Statue of radiance

What’s more obvious

[smoky bridge]

They are not hollow.

PK was wrong.

[earnest drift]

that's true but i thought the implication was that they were much more emotionless and empty-minded before coming back to hallownest

[smoky bridge]

THK, duh

[earnest drift]

and why would the knight flee if their purpose was to deal with the radiance

[flat lynx]

that was NOT waht no mind to think was meant to mean, the vessels are not hollow and that is dialogue purposefully retold to the vessels to surpress their thoughts so that they are 'perfect'

[flat lynx]

the knight didnt know about the radiance initially

but thk call was a likely cause for the pull back for further investigation

[smoky bridge]

Also it had no reason to stick around given HK was initially working just fine.

[earnest drift]

oh right

so it just wandered aimlessly ig

[smoky bridge]

I too would fuck off and leave if my father and sibling let me fall back into the corpse pit.

[earnest drift]

and thk called out to them (don't know how)

[flat lynx]

thk statue, theres text that accompanies it which says smth along the lines of 'entrapped in the black temple far above' or smth like that, literally tells you where thk is, radiance is more subtle i will say but still present

[quartz gulch]

Perhaps it could also be a calling? From instinct alone it would try to flee, when eventually its imprinted will and purpose would draw it back to Hallownest. Since the abyss scene is a memory, the Knight definitely was emptied of its past in the Wastes.
Until achieving Voidheart or otherwise going off the path of becoming The Hollow Knight, the Knight should be pure.

[flat lynx]

EXACTLY

[smoky bridge]

The idea of the vessels just bumming around is both creepy/unsettling and cute.

[earnest drift]

so "the hollow knight" ending is when a truly hollow knight seals the radiance permanently?

[jade hedge]

Wait why are we doing this is sk discussion and not hk lore or discussion

[earnest drift]

and the infection ends?

[smoky bridge]

I disagree.

[marsh ibex]

that’s not how vessel purity works

[smoky bridge]

With that user.
I don't think the vessel is ever pure.

Hell, I think no vessel at all is "pure" in the way TPK hoped it would.

[quartz gulch]

It isn't clear, but I assume so. Neither option is denied until doing anything more than needed for that ending.

[jade hedge]

How can a vessel be pure tbh what ways can they be pure

[quartz gulch]

Explain.

[flat lynx]

the hollow knight (base ending) is the ending where nothing is fixed, and rather the knight takes place of thk, continuing the cycle of failed radiance infection containment, all while providing no way to break open the temple cus its permanently sealed

[marsh ibex]

Having the potential to “become impure” means they weren’t pure to begin with as per White Lady’s comments on THK

void heart also wouldn’t make them impure

[quartz gulch]

How does becoming impure make you impure from the very start?

[smoky bridge]

The problem with the system is, IMO, that for something to dream (necessary to contain) it must also have some kinda will.
You cannot have thought but not have a will.

[marsh ibex]

because it’s meant to be an immutable state that never changes

[flat lynx]

they arent pure, a vessel is raised to be pure by not allowing any emotions or thoughts or feeling to enter their head, but obviously, because none of them are actually, truley hollow, that is impossible. the reason 'the pure vessel' wasnt actually pure was due to the feeling of presumably their affection for the pale king

[marsh ibex]

if it changes then it isn’t pure

[smoky bridge]

We see it with the other Void beings

[flat lynx]

they were never pure, and cant be pure

[tight hull]

hello

[jade hedge]

How did radiance take over hk mind anyways it the cutscene it just shows a yellow blob getting bigger and cracking its shell

[smoky bridge]

The collector is a kingsmould consumed by obsession.

[earnest drift]

anyway back about radiance foreshadowing

seer putting all the lore in the last dialogue is weird
radiance statue on hallownest crown is good but iirc there isn't a reason to think it's important? a lot of statues of random things can be found around hallownest, what makes the radiance's statue different to a new player

moss prophet is good but missable

every other time "dreams" or "light" is mentioned is subtle but necessary

[jade hedge]

How did it end up from white palace to tower of love tho

[smoky bridge]

Even a pure void being could not be devoid of will

[jade hedge]

Is shade lord pure void

[earnest drift]

shade lord absolutely has a will, so no

[smoky bridge]

We do not know maybe it was smuggled out by the bug who thought it was hot.

[jade hedge]

What is it

[jade hedge]

What

[earnest drift]

void heart is stated to unite the void under the bearer's will

[smoky bridge]

It is pure void but it is not "pure" in the way PK defines purity.

[flat lynx]

the radiance was purposefully concealed within the pure vessels mind to contain her

[earnest drift]

although the way the shade lord suddenly lashes out and consumes everything is very void-like

idk i hate embrace the void

[smoky bridge]

The bug who has the love key. And is consumed by void.

[quartz gulch]

I disagree. If you desire something all of a sudden, did you always desire it? No, since the desired thing possibly didn't even exist prior.
It does relate to psychology however. Is a good person always good and was a bad person always bad? Is it predetermined, or can change happen?

[smoky bridge]

They were.. um. Partaking of the collector. I assume, given they are void struck

[marsh ibex]

I really don’t care if you disagree

[jade hedge]

My friend sent me smth it said like radiance and shade lord were competing to rule but pk came and bugs turned to him cuz other two were fighting

[smoky bridge]

That's... No.

[marsh ibex]

WL says thk’s strength in that matter was ill judged she’s talking about purity being something that is forever

[earnest drift]

oh it makes sense now

[smoky bridge]

Not really.

[marsh ibex]

friend is wrong

[flat lynx]

i kind of like to believe everythings in a state of balance before changes can happen, its the descisions and thoughts which shape a person after all

[smoky bridge]

There might have been other shade lords, but we cannot know for sure.

[quartz gulch]

Then you seem incapable of having a discussion.

[earnest drift]

is it possible that because the collector has evolved so far past being mindless, that's why it's immune to being subdued by void heart?

[marsh ibex]

there weren’t

[smoky bridge]

Radiance calls the void itself it's ancient enemy.

[smoky bridge]

I would think so. It has its own obsession now, incredibly strong too

[marsh ibex]

I said I don’t care because this isn’t something you can disagree on. Your personal feelings on what vessel purity is has no bearing on what actual ingame characters say what it entails

[cunning geode]

Joker youre sayin the capability for a seemingly "pure" void being to act "impure" means it never was pure to begin with yeh?

[flat lynx]

wasnt radiance the one who gave sentience to a ton of bugs but then pk slid over, gave some more sentience and then everyone turned on radience and radience was pissed that even her day 1's didnt like her anymore

[earnest drift]

does this go for the other kingsmoulds as well

[marsh ibex]

that is what white lady said yes

[marsh ibex]

no?

[smoky bridge]

It was imprinted with the need to protect (the palace) but once the palace was gone, it must have gone insane trying to find something to protect.

[marsh ibex]

The radiance was only ever related to the moths

[earnest drift]

so that's why both the collector and kingsmoulds are immune to void heart

[marsh ibex]

She didn’t give random bugs sentience nor can she

that’s not an ability of hers

[earnest drift]

radiance subtracts sentience

[spark anchor]

the radiance only made the moths

[earnest drift]

and she kills people

[smoky bridge]

It's what I believe.
They simply already have an imprinted desire.

[broken seal]

[flat lynx]

so then was her anger out of her intial devotees (moths) turning to pk?

[jade hedge]

Lumaflies?

[marsh ibex]

yea

[flat lynx]

okok

[spark anchor]

nope

[jade hedge]

Which ones

[daring basin]

fates them worse than death, drives them insane

[quartz gulch]

I also don't believe that good and bad are predetermined, especially since morals change throughout cultures and civilisations.

Goind back to HK, I think the Pure Vessel was never pure because of knowing its role and purpose was relied on by an entire Kingdom. It wasn't the will of the Pale King, but its own will to save the kingdom that led to failure.

[earnest drift]

did radiance purposely kill the moth tribe in particular because they betrayed her

[smoky bridge]

But!

[marsh ibex]

Probablyy

[smoky bridge]

We also only see functioning kingsmoulds in the dream palace.

[broken seal]

they're still defending the palace

[smoky bridge]

It is possible they never worked as well as they do in the dream.
I do think they were far more faulty and prone to corruption.

Given the collector, and later additions from silksong.

[earnest drift]

so since the pale king is long dead and hallownest is a corpse
why doesn't radiance cool it down with the murder
killing people stops them from remembering her

[jade hedge]

Why does the radiance statue have a pale ore in it

[smoky bridge]

Made of it probably.

[flat lynx]

agreed! too much is perspective based when you think about it which is why i feel like people find it hard to determine what makes someone an extreme of ANYTHING, also in relation to hk yeah for sure, hell, even the abyss climb in which thk had to attempt contributed to the outcome of their internal state

[cunning geode]

so you get a cool reward 👹

[jade hedge]

Because she wants them to remember her?

[broken seal]

also all of the wingsmoulds and kingsmoulds aren't pure void, they're void constructs, similar to the vessels

[earnest drift]

yes so maybe kill less people
because a dead person can't remember the radiance

[smoky bridge]

Nah, she's winning.

Also the infected zombies she makes do very much remember her.

[earnest drift]

does the infection revive the dead

[smoky bridge]

And they won't betray her ever again :)

[daring basin]

the radiance does not kill, she makes the bugs decend into madness

[daring basin]

broken vessel

[smoky bridge]

They aren't dead, just subsumed.

[jade hedge]

Other than lightseed is there any other almost pure infection creature

[smoky bridge]

Vessels are weird tho

[earnest drift]

what about the ones that explode

[daring basin]

uh yea they gone

[flat lynx]

is it really revival or some kind of twisted automation of sorts?

[jade hedge]

They kill themself I think

[earnest drift]

what about every other corpse that gets killed by an infected and doesn't get infected itself

[jade hedge]

They walk around normal then just charge and blow up

[earnest drift]

is that not a waste of someone who could've remembered radiance

[flat lynx]

considering how the broken vessel was 'revived' by a ton of those lil infection blobs perhaps they only really used em as a vessel for battle idk

[quartz gulch]

Nope. The Radiance exclusively had the Moth tribe (which it created) as followers, the rest were either tribes or Unn's followers. The Pale King brought sapience to the common creatures, the same way GMS did to the Pharlids.
However the Moths soon followed the Pale King's brighter light, forgetting the Radiance. Doomed without followers, the Radiance forced herself on all of Hallownest. Infected bugs are in a dream-like state, where they follow the Radiance wether they like it or not. They also lose their own will, following predetermined orders and patterns they were assigned to prior.

[daring basin]

tortuous reanimation

[jade hedge]

Broken vessel is a cool way to show what an infected vessel would be like except it’s not really a vessel just a reanimated shell

[earnest drift]

ok so the infection can revive corpses i think

[flat lynx]

ahh, i thought that the radiance had a kingdom of sorts, it was a bit more limited to that but i still see where her sourness comes from

[jade hedge]

What entry is this

[marsh ibex]

because she’s a wrathful goddess?

[earnest drift]

entombed husk

[jade hedge]

Ok

[flat lynx]

revive or reanimate

[marsh ibex]

she also doesn’t know pk’s dead yet

[smoky bridge]

Yeah he hid away.

[jade hedge]

Ye

[smoky bridge]

I wonder if anyone knows he's dead.

Bardoon? Maybe?

[flat lynx]

the knight does!

[earnest drift]

if she's constantly angry and still being angry and acting irrationally and killing people who could have continued being infected and remembering her so that she gets preserved
then i think radiance is stupid

[jade hedge]

Wait why are the kings moulds in white palace still defending if pk dead

[smoky bridge]

She's winning tho.

[flat lynx]

wait why did gms do her whole silk schtick again

[smoky bridge]

The palace.

They are defending the palace. That's what was imprinted into them.

[jade hedge]

Oh

[subtle lynx]

Radience is a force of nature, she does what she needs to survive

[smoky bridge]

*palace

Stupid autocorrect.

[earnest drift]

because she was imprisoned while somehow still conscious, she wanted to be free, so she began consuming the power of weaver descendants to become strong enough to wake up

[earnest drift]

but she killed the moth tribe so she's vengeful as well

[subtle lynx]

She infected everyone equally

[flat lynx]

sooo the radience was ALSO imprisoned, and ALSO let out a substance to the rest of the kingdom

[smoky bridge]

Radiance is basically the dawn personified, but she is still like. A god who's very much pissed. Like Poseidon.

[earnest drift]

ok then she's boring

[flat lynx]

didnt gms do the same thing

[jade hedge]

It was imprisoned cuz it released the infection

Cuz a bug saw its statue

And kept seeing her in its dreams

[earnest drift]

yes except radiance would have died if she didn't infect anyone
gms didn't get the luxury of dying

[subtle lynx]

Cause hollow knight is not a game about defeating a big bad evil boss. It's a game about dealing with your past and your ancestors' actions

[daring basin]

and not dreaming

[flat lynx]

yeah but they both still had their own 'selfish' motives to do what they wanted to do, theyre on a pretty similar level, both just godly being with a lot of power

[subtle lynx]

Radience is just an excuse for the characters to make bad decisions, if it wasn't radience, some other force would have tried to take hallownest down cause nothing lasts forever in this game, and the pale king would have tried to stop it

Which would lead to a worse fate

[earnest drift]

and how does radiance contribute to this message other than being a massive obstacle that hurts everyone just because

[subtle lynx]

As I said, she's just an excuse for what happened

But any other inconvenience for the kingdom would have led the king to act in the same way

[jade hedge]

Best silksong discussions in here

[flat lynx]

idk i think shes pretty representative of a form of spite, everyone has their own motives

[jade hedge]

Totally silksong

[earnest drift]

i find gms to be more sympathetic because while the moths forgot about radiance, the weavers forcefully imprisoned her and her state of "sleep" didn't make her fully unconscious so it was effectively torture

[subtle lynx]

Hollow knight is not about the radiance and her relationship with the moths, unlike silksong with GMS and the weavers, so she naturally had less development

[pure shoal]

Ps why did the weavers do that again

[quartz gulch]

Think about it this way; Vessels are two separate entities. Their shell and shade are different beings, while the shade is also their soul.
Soul is the energy giving life to bugs, while void is basically negative soul. Basically, the void is what is giving vessels "life".
Broken Vessel is the shell without the shade, taken over by a different energy. Lifeblood and silk would work just as much, as well as a soul.

I also don't think vessels can get infected (I'M NOT DONE EXPLAINING, WAIT).
What I mean is that they technically can't be infected while still "alive" (shade inside), as void is the complete opposite of the infection and can't exist along with it. Furthermore, notice how the shade of THK has a crack? That is the result of the infection and the shade within THK opposing each other.
I also had some other points, but I forgot them.....

[earnest drift]

i'd like it more if she had some systematic way of personally hurting those closest to hallownest but she infects everyone equally

[pure shoal]

Ehm

[earnest drift]

like at that point is she even a character

[subtle lynx]

As I said, she's a force of nature, an excuse

[flat lynx]

did gms? from what ive seen almost the whole of pharloom is gone to the silk

[subtle lynx]

You don't get the point of hollow knight

[jade hedge]

Ah the shade right

[daring basin]

this is the silksong discussion. its 80% crest discorse, 10% hollow knight lore, 5% MIO talk, 4% off topic crap, 1% silksong

[jade hedge]

Not shell

[white bone]

does anyone here know abt the sinners road joke?

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk needs to consume weavers, but she doesn't try to take widow because she stayed loyal
she purposely targets weavers for power because of what they did to her

[jade hedge]

Which one

[neat python]

😏

[white bone]

man of culture ova here

[jade hedge]

So who made first sinner it looks like gms made her

[pure shoal]

Btw isint shade an imprint of what one leaves after deceased.
It can be in many forms
Our knights shade happens to be its void counterpart

Hunters journal says smth like thiz

[earnest drift]

the haunting is all over pharloom but that's because she's reaching out to influence as many bugs as possible to look for a way to wake herself up

[quartz gulch]

GMS did target the Weavers by commanding haunted bugs to capture them. However the Radiance had completely different motives.
She required followers, hence infecting the most bugs she could.

[earnest drift]

also gms's complex relationship with lace gives her so much depth

[flat lynx]

gms formed the first sinner by giving power to a regular bug (or something along the lines of that, the first sinner cutscne confused me a little) and the first sinner is mad that gms lied to the weavers that they were higher beings, when they were simply created out of average ones

[jade hedge]

Why was it put in the slab though

[flat lynx]

hmm.. i would still say they both had their own agendas

[earnest drift]

the moth tribe is nearly completely dead
so do we think radiance targeted them specifically or they coincidentally all died out

[flat lynx]

the slab is just a general prison area i think

[jade hedge]

This server is so fun to talk in

[flat lynx]

i would say there are prolly some specifics

[jade hedge]

Because I actually know what’s going on

[daring basin]

found out GMS lied about weaver linage, spoke out against GMS, imprisoned for apostacy (aka blasphemy)

[jade hedge]

Wait is was it like radiance they thought gms was nice

[dusky bay]

I can't believe it's still alive

[devout oracle]

somehow, i still managed to bind eva even with the 3 memory lockets i found during act 3 and used two of them on the shaman crest lol

[quartz gulch]

The shade is exclusive to vessels though, so I don't think what the Hunter sense makes much sense in this regard. Rather he could be talking about death making an impact or something.

[daring basin]

GMS told the weavers that they were her "true children" i.e. GMS birthed them, but GMS really just rasied them with silk from crawlids. Weaver got mad, spoke out, got locked away till death.

[jade hedge]

The thing is on hunter not shaman

[subtle lynx]

Hornet also leaves a shade

[devout oracle]

ig with this void invasion going on in act 3, there's no way i can deliver the rasher

[spark anchor]

that isnt really a shade

[jade hedge]

Cocoon

[subtle lynx]

It is

[spark anchor]

it's just a remnant of her past life

[devout oracle]

yea, ik. i got hunter level 3 and used some memory lockets on shaman

[flat lynx]

son

[spark anchor]

not a shade like void

[subtle lynx]

So a shade...

[spark anchor]

bait

[subtle lynx]

It is

[quartz gulch]

Correlation isn't causation

[subtle lynx]

???

[flat lynx]

WHERE did you get this from 😭

[subtle lynx]

A shade is exactly that, read the hunter journal or Gigi

[jade hedge]

What’s better shade taking multiple hits (shade skip) or cocoon giving max silk

[quartz gulch]

Reddit.com

[hexed oracle]

Idk

[quartz gulch]

Cocoon every day.

[devout oracle]

i need to lock in on flea juggle

[flat lynx]

i prefer cocoon like thats 3 free hearts

[jade hedge]

Yeah same u can use it for a heal

[devout oracle]

it's all i need to beat in order to get the pale ore (i already rescued plinney btw)

[lament vessel]

Hornet Is your smile stitched

[leaden delta]

I like shade skips a lot

[quartz gulch]

Death isn't canon, it's a game mechanic. Just because the game mechanic is immersive, doesn't mean it is canon.

You should also know, a shade is always void. That is a cocoon she is popping.

[leaden delta]

I do like the amount of control you get from cocoons though when setting up skips

[earnest drift]

shade skips being removed from steel soul is artificial difficulty

[subtle lynx]

You can choose to ignore the lore given by the game but it doesn't make it any less real because, well, the game literally says it to your face

Also, there is a shade inside the cocoon that literally falls to the ground after you break the cocoon

[flat lynx]

shade skips arent even meant to be an intended feature tho

[pure shoal]

The hunter meant an imprint of one when they die.
It happens to be that vessel imprints are shade

[quartz gulch]

Again, a shade is inherently void. Hornet is not void.

[flat lynx]

its just something the fanbase discovered that devs thought was cool enough to keep

[jade hedge]

That’s not a shade bro

[quartz gulch]

Exactly!

[pure shoal]

Nothing confirms its shade

In that case the COLLECTOR of all beings is void because it also has the goo

[subtle lynx]

So it happens the thing hornet leaves behind looks exactly like a shade and it spawns the same way a shade does and disappears when a shade does (after hornet retrieving the cocoon meaning there are no regrets left) BUT it is not a shade

[jade hedge]

And it doesn’t give skip when hitting

[pure shoal]

Its told to us that hornet is NOT void at all

[subtle lynx]

You don't have to be void to leave a shade dude

[pure shoal]

So collector is a void being????

[subtle lynx]

Yes??

[pure shoal]

Shade are only for vessels.

[jade hedge]

Yes

[subtle lynx]

Are we fr??

[pure shoal]

Nah bro im done here this is too far

[subtle lynx]

WHAT???

You're ragebaiting

[flat lynx]

also i kind of just thought that both the cocoon and the shade was meant to represent like a regret or past action (?) cus canonically the knight and hornet never die in any of their battles, therefore the prescence of the cocoon or shade was just meant to be there as like a possibility of what was gonna happen

[quartz gulch]

The Collector is void so that argument is a bit lacking.

However we are literally told that HORNET IS NOT VOID. A shade is void.

[flat lynx]

son

[subtle lynx]

I'm not falling for this ragebait

[pure shoal]

It never says collector is void

[quartz gulch]

Yes, obviously death isn't canon but a game mechanic. That's just common sense.

[subtle lynx]

If we use our brains we could figure it out

[flat lynx]

wait the collector is void i take back what i said

[jade hedge]

It’s a like kingsmpuld that escaped armour cuz of obsession

[pure shoal]

If we use our brains we can also figure out hornet is NOT void.
That thing is literally KNOWN for like before silksong

[subtle lynx]

Quote me when I said hornet is void

[pure shoal]

That makes sense tbh
But shaw is not void

[subtle lynx]

Please

[pure shoal]

Shade.

[subtle lynx]

I thought correlation was not causation

[quartz gulch]

The Collector is void:
-Kingsmould shape
-Void particles in every possible way
-Distorted music (hinting at something)
-Location
-Key being obtained from a husk, with void tendrils in its back and void puring from its eyes

[flat lynx]

lmao wrong person

[vale whale]

i thought the cocoons werent canon

atleast shades are stated to exist (though i still dont think the knight dying is canon but thats less reason-based)

[jade hedge]

Plus turns into void puddle when it dies

[quartz gulch]

Shade is the term for void beings. If you say a definition isn't related to the word it's defining you must be really bad at making arguments.

[pure shoal]

Sure but hornet is not void does not leave shade none of that

[vale whale]

also hornet most definitely does NOT leave a shade lol

[pure shoal]

Btw if hornet left a shade why would it just die

[devout oracle]

me trying to focus on flea juggle
gms in the abyss: AAAAAAAAAAAA

[vale whale]

isnt a shade pure void

hornet is not void in any way shape or form

[pure shoal]

Bit of soul here and there but mostly yeah

Exactly

[subtle lynx]

You can say that what hornet leaves is a shade because it fits all the things we know about shades from hollow knight lore

You can say hornet is not a void being

You can then say, hornet is a non void creature that leaves regrets (void) when dies according to the hunter journal and gigi

[quartz gulch]

Hornet isn't void because:
-Gendered child
-Never dumped in the abyss
-Voice to cry suffering/insults
-Mind to think
-Literally says so in her own dialogue

[vale whale]

that wpuld imply everybody has a shade

[vale whale]

and she needs the bloom

[flat lynx]

she screams at the most random times i swear 😭

[pure shoal]

Any thing which leaves a shade is part void.

[vale whale]

like 100x more siblings would be in the game if everyone had a shade because of their regrets

the infection killed like thousands i think some of those had regrets in life

[lyric zephyr]

Dawg, who gave the knight a discord account?

[quartz gulch]

Are you fucking with me? How the fuck does void come from regular bugs now? And when did Gigi or the Hunter EVER say "shade"?

[jade hedge]

Hornet isn’t void the black shape of her in the cocoon is her old body idk how that works but u can obviously see the same shape
And no cloak fading thing at the bottom like the knights shade
Another reason is it never breaks out or attacks her or is spawns outside of cocoon

[vale whale]

JOE MAMA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[vale whale]

gigi describes the shade as a regret and the hunter has a journal entry for the siblings

[lyric zephyr]

It's a rhetorical question.

[pure shoal]

Everything has an imprint when they die

Imprints are different

Some imprints are

Images of deceased bugs we see after silksong is played

Dream people and warriors

Shades

Cocoon

And probably many more.

[quartz gulch]

Regret, huh? So not shade. A shade is a regret but a regret isn't always a shade. What is next, Silk and Soul are separate things?

[subtle lynx]

It doesn't attack her because it is inside the cocoon presumably

[flat lynx]

arent shades a void exclusive thing? regrets are for everyone

[pure shoal]

Not every imprint is a shade
Every shade is an imprint

[jade hedge]

Upon breaking the cocoon it doesn’t come to life and attack though

[subtle lynx]

Idk where do you guys got that shades are void exclusive

[quartz gulch]

aca correlation isn't causation.
Not hard to understand.

[flat lynx]

bro i SWEAR

[subtle lynx]

Because it is defeated I'd assume

[pure shoal]

What does aca mean

[jade hedge]

This vessel literally has a shade we need to listen to it

[quartz gulch]

Common sense.

[subtle lynx]

😭

[opaque vale]

Hornet is void cuz i said so

[pure shoal]

You had 7 years to figure out the lore come on

[subtle lynx]

So common sense doesn't work when hornet's shade works exactly the same as the knight ok

[jade hedge]

noe

[vale whale]

i didnt say that lol im just playing devils advocate

[subtle lynx]

Says the guy who literally claimed the collector isn't void😭

[pure shoal]

@subtle lynx there is a simple explanation here

[subtle lynx]

I can't anymore

[quartz gulch]

Basically, Essentially

something like that

[pure shoal]

Atleast i agreed i was wrong

[vale whale]

who said what lmfao😭😭

[devout oracle]

i just beat flea bounce but AT WHAT COST?! I HAD THE HUNTER CREST AND DIDN'T EQUIP THE MAGNET

GIVE ME MY MONEY YOU FLEAS

[flat lynx]

it literally says in the hunters journal that a shade is an echo of a previous life for the knight, and that everyone leaves an imprint on the world when they die, obviously this imprint isnt gonna be the same for everyone, which means hornet doesnt have a shade

[vale whale]

isnt the collector heavily implied to be a runaway kingsmpuld

[jade hedge]

Magnet?

[spark anchor]

yes

similar body build and allat

[jade hedge]

Oh magnetite brooch?

[vale whale]

good for him

[quartz gulch]

I don't think we can consider the other side though, since there is literal proof.

[vale whale]

he found a girl and got a bunch of pets

[pure shoal]

Btw
Something of actual talk we dont know much about

Are shamans mostly soul or void *if they are part void

[devout oracle]

YEA

[flat lynx]

icl its lowkey funny the first thing an alleged kingsmould does after running away is just jarring things up

[vale whale]

theyre not void

[spark anchor]

i'm more surprised about the fat rich bug that was heavily implied to be with the collector

they got void coming out of their eyes

[vale whale]

genuinely tf was up with that freaky ahh

[spark anchor]

in the LOVE tower

[flat lynx]

i would say soul idk bout void

[pure shoal]

Im just going off of latest mossbag lore vid where he said we dont know what shamans are

I mean shamans are heavily skilled with soul thats for sure

[quartz gulch]

Also you can take a look in the game files. Is it called shade or cocoon? (I'm on console so I can't check, but I think I know the answer)

[vale whale]

mossbag isnt some lore god he misgenders like 5 characters every video

[flat lynx]

i was playing hk in front of one of my friends who had never seen the game before and they went and asked 'why is that guy trying to tickle you'

[vale whale]

coocoo

[cunning geode]

including herself

[pure shoal]

He gets the basics right plus reddit guys dont get enough sleep
I mean reddit guys are probably right

[quartz gulch]

Undetermined, since they basically only say incredibly unspecific stuff. I won't argue it now though, since I'm kinda tired.

[flat lynx]

this is the description for the shade in hk, i dont think the cocoon is counted as an entity in sk so theres no def :(

[spark anchor]

give him a break he's probably recording at like 4 am and forgot that most silksong characters' genders are unclear

[vale whale]

oh my god did i misgender mossbag

[cunning geode]

i am japing

[pure shoal]

Shamans
Soul? Yes
Void? I dont know team cherry tell us TEAM CHERRY TELL US TEAM CHERRY TELL US TEAM CHERRY TELL US

[spark anchor]

until tc makes a wanderer's journal merchandise book for silksong

[vale whale]

ellina come back

we still talk about yoi

[spark anchor]

most of the genders listed on the wiki (for hk characters) are cited from the wanderer's journal

just sayin

[vale whale]

funny how the va for lj made a hc gender and they just rolled with it

like shes a girl now

[spark anchor]

7'3 tall woman

[quartz gulch]

Everything has some sort of name, like a PV attack being called 'focus' (something) and the room in the collo being the 'shade capture room' (iirc). The cocoon should also have a name somewhere.

[flat lynx]

a lotta people just gender characters based off va

[spark anchor]

lugoli

[flat lynx]

hmm yeah

[spark anchor]

the corpse that comes out of the cocoon is called "death_spider_core"

[flat lynx]

ok idk bout any conformation of lugolis gender but lugolis always given me stereotypical american mean highschool lunch lady

[quartz gulch]

I thought they were a male until someone said otherwise, but there are obvious instances. Last Judge has a very female tone, Crawfather is literally gendered by name, Weavers are always daughters/sisters etc.

[spark anchor]

idk they sound pretty feminine

[unkempt steeple]

Lugoli sounds like a masculine name to me

[flat lynx]

isnt phantom an exception to that? idk

[quartz gulch]

How creative.
Anyways, the answer is clear.

[neat python]

Lugoli is a girl

And dung defender

[spark anchor]

phantom's a really special case since in translations gendered all over the place
i think this may be the one case where the character is non-binary

[flat lynx]

hmm yeahh but like then again when you think about it theres also that custom some families have where the childrens lastnames are the fathers firstname

[unkempt steeple]

Dung defender is acctually a woman

[orchid locust]

mossbag videos are uploaded in 1080p60mps (misgenders per second)

[quartz gulch]

I think, but I'm not sure. I heard from somewhere she is non-binary, though she was definitely created as a daughter.

[flat lynx]

im crin omd

[neat python]

And also did you guys knowChristopher larkin gave birth to the pale king and hornet so they are brothers

[flat lynx]

idk i just refer to most of the weavers as they

[spark anchor]

yeah it's a pretty common theory that phantom was made to be a daughter but gms does not accept "children". specifically daughters. female children

[quartz gulch]

The weavers are all female, no exception.

[spark anchor]

so they were discarded and was cut off from silk support

[flat lynx]

it could go both ways considering the sheer BUSH that defender has for like literally no reason

[neat python]

Nah lost sinners and grand mother silk are male

[exotic dome]

grand father plasmium

[quartz gulch]

You can at least try.

[flat lynx]

damn how come

[spark anchor]

grand mother silk wanted to make daughters in her own image

[plucky onyx]

what, in your guys opinion, is the best blue tool?

[neat python]

Its law accutate

Lore

[flat lynx]

-# sawtooth

[exotic dome]

circlet

[neat python]

Dice

[flat lynx]

AYYY

[kindred willow]

Wait are Memory Crystals blue? I forget but I'm wed to them

[plucky onyx]

bruh

[quartz gulch]

"Sister Spider"
"Daughters"
Weavers having a hard time giving birth (males don't give birth commonly).

[neat python]

No

[tight hull]

dice?

[neat python]

What

[plucky onyx]

those are blue yes

[kindred willow]

Okay then dice

[plucky onyx]

dice isnt a blue tool :|

[neat python]

Is that not blue, i havent played the game in 5 months

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-winking-heisenberg-breaking-bad-gif-18242129

[quartz gulch]

You really have to try harder....

[neat python]

And I never used dice

[tight hull]

dice is yellow

[vivid cave]

memory crystals buns

[neat python]

Oh🤣

[kindred willow]

Okay I will use Memory Crystals no matter how many people talk bad on them

[neat python]

[vivid cave]

w

[plucky onyx]

ive never used em i only got em so late in my first run i didnt see them as usefull

[tight hull]

why memory crystal?

[neat python]

I think lace is actually a guy no?

[neat python]

Because its op

[quartz gulch]

try harder

[neat python]

Bro why is he smoking wtf😭😭😭 gonna die

[plucky onyx]

what, why would you even consider this?

[tight hull]

"guys I think the hollow knight is a character from the game hollow knight"

[neat python]

[spark anchor]

the day tc drops all the silksong genders on us is the day the fandom gets hit with more insanity than before silksong

that sounds funny but you know what i mean

[quartz gulch]

Dude this fucking shit is more likely to be believed than any of your bait.

[vivid cave]

the freak?

[plucky onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-5212414221781865424

[tight hull]

what is that😭

[vivid cave]

something real

[quartz gulch]

HK Misinformation in one picture.

[tight hull]

sea of sorrow leaks

[vivid cave]

wdym he

[quartz gulch]

You guys pissed me off, get spoiled. (ACTUAL SPOILERS)

[vivid cave]

i remember this boss

[slender juniper]

Silksong is terrible

[flat lynx]

noo.... dude i was JUST getting up to ||celestial sherma||

[vivid cave]

shhhh thats too much spoilers

[slender juniper]

1)crests are unbalanced 2)tools are not balanced 3) MC is a female 4) garmond dies 5) woke, 6)combat slop

Silksong is slop

[molten smelt]

noooo i was almost there too

[flat lynx]

wait im so sorry let me spoiler my text

[slender juniper]

Silksong is extremely mid not that I have 270 hours on it

[frosty kelp]

is this the act 4 video

[vivid cave]

thats too little playtime

[flat lynx]

game ruined....

[slender juniper]

I downloaded a mod that makes reaper crest good

[flat lynx]

what does it do

[vivid cave]

bro some people dont know about act 9 yet smh

[slender juniper]

Buffs the bind effect and slightly increase needle damage

[flat lynx]

nicee

[vivid cave]

chai tea

[slender juniper]

How can a shade lord be lost

[tight hull]

he got lost

[slender juniper]

[tight hull]

lmao

[frosty kelp]

what about act 67

[slender juniper]

Wdym he's lost he's on the screen

[flat lynx]

bro just wait til act 13.42, ||sherma transcends beyond time and reality and becomes a four dimensional higher being||

[vivid cave]

no love to 68?

[frosty kelp]

guys shade lord is right there how is they lost

[frosty kelp]

no

[devout oracle]

LET'S GOOO I BEAT NYLETH

[tight hull]

we need to find lace first

[vivid cave]

my laptop exploded cause of that lowk

[devout oracle]

that needle upgrade really paid off

[frosty kelp]

yeah but he only did that to rescue the whole hollow knight universe from lost shade lord

[devout oracle]

next up: karmelita

[slender juniper]

Nyleth is cool remembers soundtrack depression

[flat lynx]

thats so real my fps reached the negatives

[slender juniper]

Chrissy Larkin my peak

[frosty kelp]

act 1 expedition 00 act 67 expedition 33 act 68 canonically doesn't exist cus everyone got gommaged

[flat lynx]

hmmm good point, truley the only person more powerful than the shade lord is sherma himself

[vivid cave]

e33 ref?

[frosty kelp]

yeah everyone got gommaged by renoir in act 68

[slender juniper]

Silksong deserved the music monination

[quartz gulch]

I'll go now, but because I can I'll leave some speculative fanart regarding the state of naked bugs underneath their clothes. Don't worry, it's safe to click. I also consider this canon, even if they don't look so cool now.

[frosty kelp]

hornet was the actual expedition 00 and pverso was lying

[vivid cave]

then they sent expedition 67 part 2

[slender juniper]

Instead of expedition slop

[frosty kelp]

oh wait act 68 they sent expedition 33 my bad

[flat lynx]

bro this

[frosty kelp]

this already happened at act 34

[tight hull]

what the heck is that nsfw

[frosty kelp]

act 1-4 is sherma revealing he's breaking the canvas so he can save the canvas from shade lord

[quartz gulch]

...................no...

[tight hull]

😭

[devout oracle]

i forgot, do red tools get consumed in memories?

[frosty kelp]

yo btw do you ever feel like not opening the game to find out how much damage maelle does

[devout oracle]

time for infinite spam

[frosty kelp]

??

[slender juniper]

Who wins a god vs a teenage girl:

[slender juniper]

Kratt likes trobbio

[frosty kelp]

the teenage girl but actually pverso has a very good explanation for this in the carbot animations video:
pVerso: I'm over 100 years old and you've been 16 twice so you're twice as dumb
basically he's just explaining that maelle is so dumb she mindlessly clicks the delete button and that works :)))

maelle: Parry it! fails that's it I'm using stendhal

[slender juniper]

your father is beating you PARRY IT

[frosty kelp]

that's it I'm using insert full list of lumina boosts and fortune fury and gradient overcharge boosted burning canvas!!!

[unkempt steeple]

I wonder if they'll make the re growable shell shards item available in normal mode one day if we get a dlc as combat focused as godhome, unless it has something else specifically for it like the lifeblood room

Or maybe they'll make it a memory?

[slender juniper]

Obv

[unkempt steeple]

So shell shards really only matter for architect

[frosty kelp]

me fighting simon divergent star: I have to learn your moveset? nah I learn how to dodge 1 attack and one shot you twice

[slender juniper]

The problem is if we're getting halfway benches like in godhome , architects gonna...

Architects with shell satchel in godhome

[frosty kelp]

but like

you should have 20 shard bundles ready anyway

[tight hull]

guys new act 6 leaks

[unkempt steeple]

I think by the time a godhome like dlc releases we'll already all have enough roseries to buy 100000 shard bundles

[frosty kelp]

yeah

very true I'll need something to do with my rosaries

[devout oracle]

i'm guessing architect crest is best against karmelita, right?

[frosty kelp]

recnetly I lost 10k cus I literally just didn't care about them anymore

[unkempt steeple]

ROSERY GUN UPSCALE

[frosty kelp]

like I just gave up collecting my cocoon

[unkempt steeple]

Same

[tight hull]

you can use any crest that suits better for you

[frosty kelp]

I think there is a rule we agree upon is no tool spamming against ant lady

[unkempt steeple]

Had my cocoon in lost lace's arena but I didn't feel like going back, had no silk eaters and wanted to go fight a modded radience fight

[flat lynx]

i did her needle only cus i find it more fun, but youve got freedom to expplore cus its a memory, have fun!

[frosty kelp]

anyway if you need to tool spam ant lady then I suggest volt vessels cus they do 800 damage in about 4 seconds

that's more than half of her health bar

800/1500

then for the rest just use tacks and cogflies and stand in the corner

and use pollip just in case

[unkempt steeple]

Do you guys think red tools were good or bad addition? I definitly think silk skills are an improvement over spells but I'm still not used to red tools

[slender juniper]

Architects is so unbelievably fucking broken with curvesickle

[still osprey]

I really like red tools

[frosty kelp]

tacks do 56 per cast and 10 of them so 560 from tacks and cogflies do 50 per cogfly and 8 cogflies so that's 400 so you're doing 800 from bola and 960 from the other 2 and that's a lot of spare damage in case you miss a lot of bola

[slender juniper]

All you have to do is spamm bullshit ass curvesickles and then reload them with craft bind

[unkempt steeple]

I like the idea of red tools but unfortunetly I'm just not confident at all in waisting them

[slender juniper]

Unfortunately they broke the game

[frosty kelp]

this is not considering pollip pouch so equip it just in case

[unkempt steeple]

Also the spamming sounds bad

[copper hedge]

lol

[flat lynx]

im just not a tool person at all, i just prefer using silk skills cus its like immediate gratification off of my own effort (so is farming shell shards but its different)

[flat lynx]

mannn i can never find sk enjoyers on there

[opaque vale]

Ts is why shaman crest is the goat (ignore my username)

[slender juniper]

WHO THE FUCK MADE CURVESICKLE

WHY

[copper hedge]

that sucks 😔

[frosty kelp]

I'm pretty sure the fogra is fora but I like to imagine hornet is french is a pronouncing the gr very frenchly and it was sound like the fora

[flat lynx]

hell yeah fs

[flat lynx]

one day trust, ill just keep farming credits

[slender juniper]

IT BREAKS THE GAME WHY

[copper hedge]

i mispelled 💥

[frosty kelp]

yeah curveclaw was good enough

[slender juniper]

DELETE CURVESICKLE

[copper hedge]

i deserve to have the "minor spelling mistake" gif

[frosty kelp]

you're not making her french?

[opaque vale]

I wish the stone you get in steel soul that regenerates shell shards was available in normal mode

[copper hedge]

i mean, lace kinda

[unkempt steeple]

Also you don't permantly lose silk skills after using enough times

[frosty kelp]

make hornet french as well trust

also rune rage desperately needs a buff

I was really hoping I would be able to use rune rage like first sinner or pure vessel but the skill is ass and has way too long charge time and misses all the hits and loses all your silk if you get hit while doing the 2 second charge

[copper hedge]

part of her bloodline is from Pharloom
Lace, from Pharloom, sounds like French
Other NPCs sound like it
Hornet is then half-French (girl is Scout lmao)

[opaque vale]

I soooo hope sea of sorrow gives us a new silk skill

[flat lynx]

eeexxactly, idk theres something about the instant dopamine i get from like dashing through an enemy or throwing up nails

[frosty kelp]

good then keep the fogra because it's funnier if you keep that and make her french

[neat python]

SEA OF SORROW TRAILER JUST CAME OUT ON YT

[copper hedge]

fishing :D

[frosty kelp]

probably new crest but that's cool

[neat python]

ITS DROPPING ON THE 21ST

[copper hedge]

wait what- not a silkpost??

[opaque vale]

Liar

[neat python]

LETS GOOOOOOO

[copper hedge]

placing "doubt" on the table

[frosty kelp]

sadly not happening :((

[orchid locust]

if pharloom is france whats hallownest

[opaque vale]

I’m so naive I went to check YouTube brah

[copper hedge]

australia

[flat lynx]

i was just about to say that

[copper hedge]

we all know that hollow knight takes place in australia. its an unwritten fact

[orchid locust]

hallownest has an all powerful king so it could be britain or like the holy roman empire

[frosty kelp]

that would explain nosk

[copper hedge]

lmao

[flat lynx]

nosk is literally the average huntsman

[frosty kelp]

nosk is like one of those diabolical creepy things that in australia

[copper hedge]

now what would City of Steel be

[orchid locust]

new york

[unkempt steeple]

Silk skills still have a resource managment aspect becuse you can use silk for healing but red tools definitly have a bigger demand for it and for me that's just very difficult to manadge in high action close quarters combat so I just end up spamming instead of utilizing them in better ways through out the fight

[orchid locust]

sea of sorrow is the atlantic ocean separating pharloom (france) from the city of steel (nyc)

[copper hedge]

jschlatt in hollow knight????

[unkempt steeple]

We're not playing

[orchid locust]

don’t ask where ari gibson was in 1999

[frosty kelp]

I'm not gonna lie I had to set my advanced search date to before 2023 cus everything right now is AI slop

[orchid locust]

what if hallownest is china and the pale king is like the jade emperor

[copper hedge]

i was about to make a joke about jschlatt, but yeah it would be bad

[frosty kelp]

guys pharloom is france cus act 1 is e100 and act 2 is e99 and etc and acts 1-4 is sherma revealing his plans to explode the canvas so the lost shade lord doesn't destroy everything

[daring basin]

1999 AD or 1999 ROH?

[frosty kelp]

and the blasted steps bridge broke because of the shaking from the fracture in the canvas

[devout oracle]

let's say karmelita with architect crest is almost effective for me
i might have skill issue

[orchid locust]

1999 anno domini

[frosty kelp]

yeah if you're that skill issue then learn her moveset

[unkempt steeple]

Poison pouch would be very interesting and a way to insentivise planning out your tool usage rather than spamming if it focused on the DOT rather than just being volt filement for tools

[orchid locust]

pharloomiére

[daring basin]

ah ok thanks for clarifying

[devout oracle]

aight

[frosty kelp]

use beast to fight ant beast lady

[daring basin]

wait isn't sherma a he? am i tripping?

[rotund canyon]

Sherma is a guy

[unkempt steeple]

Sherma is a grown man

[daring basin]

ok im not insane

[azure patrol]

This is why Pharloom is living in the future

[frosty kelp]

You didn't see anything

[devout oracle]

i'm guessing the twelfth architect ain't dead in act 3 unless you bought everything from them lol

[slender juniper]

Hai Lai Lai Lai lai

https://tenor.com/view/shakra-hollow-knight-hollowknight-silk-song-silksong-gif-7385364371414840708

[azure patrol]

#Pharloom🔔 is turning silk into medicine! ⚡Using power of silk, every thread you take increase a significant amount of lifespan and health. Millions of healthy bugs together can power transportation and machines in busy places like Cogwork Core. A brilliant way to create a sustainable and smart Kingdom -- turning silk into strong, immortal workforce 🌱💡

[slender juniper]

What in the chatgpt

[daring basin]

me and the boys when this banger comes on

[azure patrol]

It is the insta copy pasta I edited myself

[chilly mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/orbit---mindcap-geometry-dash-gd-zoink-animation-warrior-theme-gif-15363222333858725471

[slender juniper]

It's giving too much chatgpt

[azure patrol]

Nah I am against slop

[daring basin]

"hollow knight is too hard" mfs when geometry dash

[slender juniper]

Guys where is bilewater

[exotic cedar]

Would be funny if putrified ducts stayed as putrified ducts

[slender juniper]

That's just worse bilewater ngl

[azure patrol]

Its actually in hallownest

[slender juniper]

Putried ducts is a crime against humanity

Mosskin

[exotic cedar]

Yeah it's bilewater if you took everything good from bilewater

[slender juniper]

Bro actually hasn't said anything

[frosty kelp]

I think bilewater might not be on the map I'm not sure

[shut python]

EVERYWHERE SIR

[copper hedge]

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starting off at 99 rosaries/month!

Get yours now!

[slender juniper]

That's 4 grand reeds very worth it

[copper hedge]

Look at our testimonies of our great product!

"That's 4 grand reeds very worth it" - @slender juniper

[slender juniper]

Stop using rosaries as currency use grand reeds instead

[copper hedge]

Grand Reeds can be used to describe paper money or smth. i think theyre called "bills"

while rosaries as coins

Pharloom Economics?

[orchid locust]

4 MSb/s - 99 rosaries/mo
20 MSb/s - 479 rosaries/mo
100 MSb/s - 2399 rosaries/mo
500 MSb/s - 12299 rosaries/mo
1 GSb/s - 22499 rosaries/mo

(Sb = silkbit)

[copper hedge]

truly the Pharloomian Capitalist dream

[trim scarab]

Lore accurate bilewater

[daring basin]

I have used this product for 2 months (500 MSb/s), and I find it greatly worth it. I have only been able to secure a connection to "Hallownest Server" twice. Still trying to figure that out.

[limber swallow]

Are there any bosses that Witch doesn't have particularly consistent heal windows for?

[junior shale]

Yo

[limber swallow]

I'm asking primarily because I've been having a bit of an argument with my friend about whether or not this is the case

[slender juniper]

Idk I can't think of any

[limber swallow]

In particular they were using witch on Watcher at the Edge and were saying that healing is entirely rng and I just didn't quite see why?

[trim scarab]

I’d argue seth but even he you can get with enough practice

[slender juniper]

They're using the word wrong no

[limber swallow]

It could just be an issue of me not having played the game yet

[slender juniper]

Rng is random number generation

[limber swallow]

gtg

[slender juniper]

Missing a witch heal is just a skill issue

But when you don't its 3× needle damage

[trim scarab]

It’s very generous

[slender juniper]

Witch is peak crest ngl

Slower DPS but not as bad as reaper ,intern you get long range and nuke

[trim scarab]

Beast is personally my favorite for combat

[exotic cedar]

You can prob heal with witch when wote does that triple swing attack

[trim scarab]

I just like ripping everything apart

[slender juniper]

Beast is cheating

[daring basin]

i like shaman crest sometimes

[slender juniper]

Shaman crest would be too good if it had a normal bind

It's good as it is

[daring basin]

i need to try witch crest more fr

[slender juniper]

You mean bell Eater nuke?

[trim scarab]

I like shaman but you get it so late

[daring basin]

hehe claw mirrors go boom

[slender juniper]

Mods type shit

[trim scarab]

Well yeah ofc with mods you can start with it

[slender juniper]

There should be a crest picker on the file start ngl

Once you get all of them

[strange knot]

Chat should I speedrun or do steel soul rn

[topaz sparrow]

Do both

Like obsidian time

[strange knot]

Nah I ain’t doing deathless TE

Prediction, will I get out of moss groto in 1 hour

?

[topaz sparrow]

Ye

[slender juniper]

No

I have a huge secret

[strange knot]

Yeah most likely no, I already did 5 resets in 1st room smh

[slender juniper]

||I died to moss mother on my first playthrough||

[strange knot]

I died 2 times to her

[topaz sparrow]

Si

[slender juniper]

Wish there was a way to skip the start segment entirely and just go right from the chapel maiden

[strange knot]

Yeah and without all the cutscenes

I like moss groto movement ngl tho

[slender juniper]

Silver?

Si is silicum right

[smoky bridge]

Yeah silicum

That's how it looks. This is Silicon

[true kiln]

Okay mild anger. Just beat the game. Not realizing it was the last fight cause I knew about act 3. When the credits hit a wtf came out

[smoky bridge]

Act 3 is a secret act.

[brittle totem]

there's no way

[slender juniper]

Act 3 requirements

[brittle totem]

tbh i always thought that the requirements for act 3 were a bit silly

[slender juniper]

They're not really

[strange knot]

OMG I GOT OUT OF MOSS GROTO NO WAY

[slender juniper]

The point of silk and soul is that hornet grew as a person to try and help the bugs of Pharloom instead of just slaying and becoming the new queen

And you do that by actually helping people

[brittle totem]

wait yeah it makes sense i guess, i js found finding the fleas a real pain and moving them to white juice lake

I kinda wish i got to do more quests where I can rebuild places in pharloom after act 3

[cunning geode]

its funny i never knew how specific the requirements for ACT 3 were until after beating it because I had already been exploring so much and doing every quest I got access to

[slender juniper]

Bellhart

[strange knot]

And first try Beastfly pogo yay

[brittle totem]

Why did ||plinney js kill himself man, shakra is fighting tooth and nail outside to stop evb from dying etc.||

[slender juniper]

Plinney didn't kill himself huh

[versed pollen]

Bro hasn't played the game

[timid plinth]

my father made a silksong cake..

[slender juniper]

ABSOLUTE SHAW

[strange knot]

That’s nice!

[brittle totem]

HE DIDN'T? I THOUGHT HE LOCKED HIS BELLHOME AND SHOVED A PIN THROUGH HIS CHEST IN THERE OMG, HE'S ACTUALLY ALIVE?

[strange knot]

Btw is it ur birthday? If so happy bday

[timid plinth]

thank youu

[versed pollen]

Did you read the note he left on the door???

[slender juniper]

Did you read what his bellhome says smh

There's an extra needle upgrade in act 3

[strange knot]

I missed one cycle bell beast, back to moss groto

[brittle totem]

something like "I've abandoned station" or "I may be back"

[versed pollen]

Try reading but again

[slender juniper]

"I ventured towards the graves in shellwood"

Find me there

Does bro know you can upgrade your needle in act 3

To palesteel

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/c9tOnJCHOGu.gif

[brittle totem]

"I ventured towards the graves in shellwood, find me there" doesn't that kinda imply that he went there and killed himself, "find me there" not "meet me there". why would he choose a gravesite to visit during such dangerous times, unless his plan was to enter those graves lol

[copper hedge]

The air is colored red because it can't be placed here

[brittle totem]

like ingame he didn't ofc but my assumption was reasonable

[slender juniper]

Its explained there

His partner is burried there

[warm orbit]

Spoilers much

I already beat the game but still

[slender juniper]

What

This is #sk-discussion

Spoilers are allowed

[warm orbit]

I'm joking. But you can still use the spoiler thing over your message

[slender juniper]

No

[slender juniper]

Anyways go upgrade your needle to max its good

[terse fiber]

Charge attack was better in ||HK||

[odd hull]

tbh I only got the 2 last upgrades (flea games and great taste of pharloom) after beating the entire act 3

[slender juniper]

Its the same

[terse fiber]

Charge attacks were more useful

In SK you barely use them

[slender juniper]

Architects charge is better than any nail art

[slender juniper]

In HK as well you just chose not to use them in ss

[strange knot]

You issue ngl

[slender juniper]

The charge time is the same in both games

Only diference pin badge is worse than nail glory

[dawn surge]

i have 150 messages still i cant join the voice channels?

[hexed sonnet]

feel like bane listening to the child singing in dark knight rises when i hear karmalita

[exotic dome]

it will be meta once the godhome dlc is out

[terse fiber]

there are ||3 different ones and every one of them is useful||

[cunning geode]

i love how even though some SCPs are kinda like this... meme... there isnt any meaningful way to connect this with the actual scp 067

[exotic dome]

in hk people mostly used it in pantheons

also yea pin badge needs a buff

[slender juniper]

In ss there are 7 and you dont need any other one besides architects cuz its very good

[hexed sonnet]

the gauntlet would be nicer if i didnt have to fight her 2 bodyguards

[exotic dome]

wanderer is good too

[strange knot]

Witch and hunter Narts are also good

[slender juniper]

Same damage as arch but way less range

[austere dust]

Do you guys think Steel Soul is really difficult? I just finished the game and didn’t have much difficulty beating it, and now I want to try to get all the Steam achievements.

[exotic cedar]

Pretty time wasting

[slender juniper]

Not really but then again im a runner so

[exotic cedar]

I love archi needle strike

[hexed sonnet]

i already love karmalita boss fight and i only died thrice

[exotic dome]

it is difficult

[terse fiber]

||dash slash has good range and was really good against some annoying enemies||

[hexed sonnet]

first of the 4 i found

[austere dust]

Hmm

[exotic dome]

it's one of the best

one of the hardest too

so good luck

[strange knot]

Any% steel soul is pretty easy, 100% is hard

Not easy but manageable

[exotic dome]

i'm at 86% rn

i think it's okay if i don't do anything stupid

[hexed sonnet]

how do you check percentages

[exotic dome]

there is an item in the abyss called farsight

you find them and put it in your bellhome

then it shows percentage

[smoky bridge]

Bilewater..they're putting chemicals on the water.
That turned the freaking frog straight. (That's why he's evil)

[slender juniper]

Pin badgr decreases charge time by 40% while being a blue tool, nailmasters glory does the same at 44% and one charm notch
Solution:
40% charge time decrease
And 15% needle strike damage increase

[strange knot]

I’m getting good at Beastfly pogo

[hexed sonnet]

im naming karmalita's 2 bodyguards mike and tyson

[exotic dome]

dmg increase would be a good buff

[terse fiber]

||Dash slash is like Architect's charge attack but has more range and is faster||

[exotic dome]

i've never seen architects charge let me check

[hexed sonnet]

damn i got it but i didnt know you had to do that

[slender juniper]

You can dashlash in ss as well ,the charge time is the same its not any fadter

[terse fiber]

for architect charge attack

[slender juniper]

Yes

[strange knot]

I almost got 1 cycle nooo

[topaz sparrow]

What

[exotic cedar]

Bell beast fight thing i think

[strange knot]

Yeah

[slender juniper]

Bell beast phase skip really annoying I'm not doing that shit

[hexed sonnet]

you know what karmalita can wait

crawfather is waiting for me

[strange knot]

I died to hunters march arena

[slender juniper]

Charge attack damage:
Wanderer:3× in total
Hunter, 1,4×2
Witch:4× if extended and all hit
Architect:3× needle damage
Shaman:2,3×
Reaper:2,5
Beast:2,5 and 3× during bind

[strange knot]

That arena was so good Noo

[hexed sonnet]

its easier than the one next to halfway home

[copper hedge]

which arena

[strange knot]

Should’ve healed

[strange knot]

Nah no way

[strange knot]

Hunters march where shakra is helping you

[copper hedge]

that one is easy peasy

[terse fiber]

they are decent

[copper hedge]

fun fact: you can hit the trident things to deflect those

[slender juniper]

Mean while nail arts:
Great slash/dash slash:2,5

[strange knot]

Fun fact: you can skip that arena with no effort

Talking about halfway home one

[terse fiber]

The range is really good

[copper hedge]

3 enemies isnt that bad

[hexed sonnet]

the spear duded killed me so hard

[copper hedge]

i barely use tools for that one

[slender juniper]

Does it beat arch slash range:NAH

[copper hedge]

is it me or why do The Last Claw dont do the white flash when you finish the intro gauntlet to Karmelita?

it feels off for some reason

[tight meadow]

I have 1hr 38m at Bell heart should I go for speed run or speed run 100%

[slender juniper]

LOOK AT THAT

[slender juniper]

Idk choose