sk-discussion

[severe jasper]

Focus on slapping his ass

[azure frigate]

It is after I used it for 3 failed sub 5 hours

[slender juniper]

Also I got to last phase of judge in 44 minutes and then died in a stupid way

[azure frigate]

Crazy

[slim thorn]

Another mod you can pair with reaper is needle art and set the architect one to a slot
It can gen a lot of silkorbs when reaper has the bind effect

[hexed sonnet]

i dont have it

[azure frigate]

Took me 1:55 to get to phantom

[slender juniper]

Do you atleast know the skips

[azure frigate]

Like 1 for the wall cling skip

That's it...

[slender juniper]

Start with learning the beastly pogo and 4th chorus skip those are pretty easy

[wary nimbus]

witch crests not the bset for me, especially the bind

i know its a lifesteal but still

[azure frigate]

The bind is peak

[slim thorn]

Not going through underworks after grand gate is an skip or isnt considered as one?

[minor sparrow]

Yeah I think I ended up doing the beastly in my sub 5

[azure frigate]

I was trying to get it but I kept getting annoyed and killing it

[slender juniper]

Reset room

You can make it easier with bind

Pogo of beastfly ,bind ,pogo again

[azure frigate]

The nearest door is awhile away so tbe walk took a sec

Is it faster to reset a few times then just go around?

[slim thorn]

Isnt it a single pogo?

[slender juniper]

Does bro know about the rosary room

[azure frigate]

...

The what?

[slender juniper]

Yes but what I said I easier

[azure frigate]

:0

[slender juniper]

[azure frigate]

I may be stupid

[slender juniper]

Nah it's just hidden

[hexed sonnet]

i need to stop dashing

[slender juniper]

Also that room is very worth it,its 60 rosaries

[slim thorn]

Run instead?

[azure frigate]

Wow yeah that's good early

[hexed sonnet]

holy if this is the first boss i am NOT clearing lost lace

[severe jasper]

I have made it to exactly 72 and then died 3 times now

[azure frigate]

Also, is phantom or last judge quicker? I was going phantom but were you going last judge?

[severe jasper]

I just want to beat seth

[slender juniper]

Last judge is faster with craw skip

There's 2 versions of it

[slim thorn]

What you dying at

[slender juniper]

But basically you pogo the craws in greymoor to get the greymoor bell

[azure frigate]

Ohhhh that makes sense

[hexed sonnet]

bell eater

[slim thorn]

What build?

[quartz roost]

I used to be into Speedruning, and at least at that time it was phantom

[hexed sonnet]

wanderer

[slim thorn]

And tools?

Are you going for healspam with wanderer or nah?

[minor sparrow]

And a quick way to reset the fly if you mess up the skip

[slim thorn]

Ok it is full heal build

Idk how you aint living then

But should make the remaining bosses very easy

[quartz roost]

You're fighting Bell Eater, right?

[slim thorn]

In comparison

[azure frigate]

I'll keep those in mind for if when I go again

[hexed sonnet]

i keep dashing at the wrong times and i get hit by the read bouncing stuff

[hexed sonnet]

yea

[exotic cedar]

Sawtooth is actually easy to use against bell eater

[slim thorn]

Remember you can just go back in time too if you dont mind doing that

[exotic cedar]

Just spam jump

[azure frigate]

Oh yeah I totally forgot the save backups

Doesn't it make one at every bench?

[quartz roost]

They are probably not healing at the right time/enough

[slim thorn]

Stop running and walk
Or you mean the bombs?

[quartz roost]

What part are you having issues on?

[slender juniper]

No at hardsaves

[slim thorn]

My guess iss they cant generate enough silk for all the hits they get cuz the boss is hard to hit consistently

[severe jasper]

Hate. Let me tell you how much I have begun to HATE you since I began to live.

[azure frigate]

That's the upgrades and a few other areas yes?

[slim thorn]

Be happy, you got reasons to play again

[azure frigate]

Things like right after widow where it forces you into a save

[severe jasper]

I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY THIS FUCKING MINIGAME AGAIN

[quartz roost]

Good point...

[hexed sonnet]

the butt shooting the bouncing bombs

[slim thorn]

Well come back lster i guess?

[slim thorn]

Hit em away

[quartz roost]

Maybe try using voltvessle (spear) instead of life blood

[slender juniper]

You should run sawtooth for high halls gauntlet it's extremely good

[quartz roost]

Are you trying to hit it when it's doing that?

[azure frigate]

I think that's what I used to beat it in my main save... Ill have to use it more

[quartz roost]

Then take a break from the game or do something else

[slender juniper]

It destroys large hitboxes like the big guys in high halls, just jump and attack continuosly

[hexed sonnet]

im dashing away but end up in its explosion radius

[slender juniper]

My man is loosing it over fleas

[azure frigate]

Thx thx

[quartz roost]

If I recall correctly you can just hit them away

[severe jasper]

Im going to my dads house for spring break tomorrow. Im trying to get the last momento and kill lost lace before then

[quartz roost]

Oh... Have fun then lol

[severe jasper]

5 out of the 7 years spent making silksong were devoted entirely towards making flea dodge as annoying as humanly possible

[quartz roost]

For me flea dodge was the easiest

[minor sparrow]

Bounce is up there too

Especially with shamans

Shaman honestly makes dodge and bounce pretty trivial

[hexed sonnet]

yo am i supposed to hit the ass of the bell eater or the head? ive been here for a while now just hitting

[exotic cedar]

They both have different hp bars

[light swan]

shaman makes all of them trivial

[hexed sonnet]

neither died for 5 full minutes

[exotic cedar]

Damn

[tight viper]

Seth used the Shaman crest

[balmy wraith]

both

[glass mortar]

dang guys i think i did all of the wishes the pintrest one ive done as my last

[slim thorn]

What is your needle damage??

[minor sparrow]

Real, I usually use wanderer for juggle tho

[north shore]

Hi silkers

[minor sparrow]

That's a crazy pfp btw

[north shore]

Why

[minor sparrow]

😐

[north shore]

it’s certainly vulgar but like

[minor sparrow]

But like?

It's just vulgar

[north shore]

it’s not explicit or anything of the sort

just vulgar

So idk why you say it’s ‘crazy’

[minor sparrow]

Turn of phrase, really.

[hardy tangle]

tf is that freaky ass pfp

[exotic cedar]

Do we deserve destruction?

[north shore]

Lmao

[vivid horizon]

Judgement

[hexed sonnet]

i genuinely dont think im doing any damage on this fuckass boss

[north shore]

Harambe will judge humanity for our sins

[hexed sonnet]

ive been going on for 5 minutes at a time hitting whatever end comes up and nothing happens

[hardy tangle]

zango

[vivid horizon]

Fr, I js used poison conchshells and voltvessel bolas

[minor sparrow]

Bell eater?

[hexed sonnet]

yea

[icy crow]

ℹ️ - You can do a mighty stomp by pressing DownArrow and LeftShift both in air and ground.

[minor sparrow]

Ah

[stiff night]

hi

[north shore]

See I don’t know what any of this means because I have like no silksong playtime

[vivid horizon]

Thy end is now

[stiff night]

SK IS BEST

[hardy tangle]

is bell eater the worst mandatory boss

[unkempt halo]

Some people hated the wishing system
But man I fucking loved it holy shit gimme 100 more

[north shore]

From what I have played of it, HK is better, but im not here to start an argument (this time)

[stiff night]

YES

[vivid horizon]

Wait is it completely mandatory to unlock bell beast

[stiff night]

no sk hater 2 but angy kebab

yes

[vivid horizon]

Aw man

[stiff night]

or youle be stuck in slab

[vivid horizon]

Ew slabbb

Bleh

[balmy wraith]

sk dlc'less is better than hk dlc'less

[north shore]

I disagree

[stiff night]

you escape via belbeast so no bb no freedom

[hardy tangle]

hk has better lore and characters and nothing else after silksong gets all dlcs

[charred ruin]

i dont think so

[exotic cedar]

Hk is more replayable

[balmy wraith]

you said you got no sk playtime

pretty quite to judge if you havent played alot of it

[crude geyser]

Silksong players feels like this

[north shore]

I have like 30 hours but most of it is spent making mods

[vivid horizon]

So can you get to act 3 without bell beast?!!?!??!?!

[stiff night]

30!?

[hardy tangle]

theyre both equally replayable bubba

[north shore]

And from what I’ve played, I vastly prefer HK.

MOST of HK’s content is DLCless anyway, the only notable dlc content is hive knight, Grimm troupe, and godhome

[stiff night]

NO

[hardy tangle]

you probably find hk more replayable cus its older

[vivid horizon]

Aw man

Was gonna do that

[charred ruin]

im pretty sure they updated it so that you need to free bell beast first in order to get caught

[vivid horizon]

Tiso% run

[stiff night]

until act 2 is posible but then you get slab for double jump

[north shore]

And also like dreamgate

[hardy tangle]

"notable" and its the whole ass godhome

[storm shard]

Silksong is the better game, going back to hollow knight feels so slow after being able to work with hornet’s moveset in silksong

[stiff night]

yes

[minor sparrow]

That's like all of the dlcs lmao

[quartz roost]

Are you hitting the armor?

[stiff night]

btw is radiance dlc?

[hexed sonnet]

no

[charred ruin]

i think skong is better in terms of platforming and movement ability but hk has more variety in bosses and moves imo

[balmy wraith]

ye im pretty sure

[hardy tangle]

dlcs brought the best bosses in hk without them hk bosses would have more bad/mid than good

[quartz roost]

This channel is a great way to get spoiled

[minor sparrow]

I prefer silksong bosses by a pretty decent margin

[stiff night]

ye the hk is just e

[vivid horizon]

Acc true

[quartz roost]

What needle do you have?

[north shore]

I literally could not give less of a fuck

[stiff night]

ez

[hexed sonnet]

bell eater is harder than gms

[storm shard]

Fair opinion, I think most of silksong’s bosses are way more in depth and complex than hollow knight’s

Obviously..they aren’t all winners (cough cough zango cough)

[hexed sonnet]

level 3

[exotic cedar]

Also imo most silksong bosses arent that good

[hexed sonnet]

honest to god skill issue coupled with an ass boss

[north shore]

I’ve heard silksong also has literally no replayability

[vivid horizon]

Js spam tools and attack a bit

[charred ruin]

cough cough gruz mother i mean brood mother

[stiff night]

cogwork dancers music is da best

[hardy tangle]

rn hk has higher highs in terms of bosses no boss in silksong has topped pv but that will probably change when all dlcs come

[icy crow]

Team Cherry purposefully made shit bosses in Silksong so they could ragebait their community by the way

[minor sparrow]

Only bosses I don't prefer over sk bosses are the dlc ones

[balmy wraith]

it has just as much replayability as hollow knight dlc'less

[north shore]

THK is the best HK boss and I will fight anybody who disagrees

[balmy wraith]

hk dlc kinda gives hollow knight the replayability

we need sk dlc

[storm shard]

That’s insane bro

[minor sparrow]

Just like base thk?

[quartz roost]

Yes

[vivid horizon]

Gotta wait man 😭

[charred ruin]

sea of sorrow tomorrow

[stiff night]

fight me:pure vessel better

[minor sparrow]

Not even like PV?

[jolly thistle]

Guys be honest was sk worth it🥹✌️

[charred ruin]

silksong tomorrow!!!!!

[north shore]

Ohhhh you’re one of those people who spends all their time in godhome and pretends that’s the only good thing about the game

[minor sparrow]

BRO

[jolly thistle]

Yes🥹

[lofty bough]

If Silksong glaze is your power, what are you without it?

[quartz roost]

How? What part is Bell beast needed for?

[storm shard]

Karmelita is the best hollow knight boss ever let’s be honest now

[crude geyser]

I low-key hate silksong

[hardy tangle]

absrad is worse than radiance as a boss ✌️

[stiff night]

escape of the slab

[jolly thistle]

Guy

[balmy wraith]

no, godhome only added like 5 hours to my total time

[north shore]

PV is certainly harder but I enjoy the music, lore, and buildup of THK way more

And most of my THK fights are old nail vengeful spirit shamans stone (any% gear) so it’s still difficult

[exotic cedar]

Silksong wishes suck in replays and it kills the replayibilty

[minor sparrow]

Eh. I can see the reasoning

[balmy wraith]

or 7

[icy crow]

Don't you literally need her so you can advance against Bell Eater

[stiff night]

youle get softlocked

[quartz roost]

Weird then

[crude geyser]

I prefer real games that arent ai generated like bubsy 3D

[hardy tangle]

she has flaws like random ass blocking of attacks and only introducing 1 new attack throughout the whole fight

[jolly thistle]

[storm shard]

You can argue there’s more fun bosses (I prefer some over karmelita) but taking into consideration everything I think she’s at least ONE of the best

[hardy tangle]

but she is the best in silksong currently

[north shore]

Anywho, I truly wasn’t here to start an argument, so I’m gonna go now

[crude geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/lacenet-lace-hornet-silksong-gif-2814799156362707132

[stiff night]

PURE VESSEL BETTER THEN THK

[icy crow]

Pinned messages brotato

[north shore]

*than

[minor sparrow]

I like the atmosphere and gameplay of PV more, just more fun then THK for me and it's really cool seeing what THK was like at its best

[vivid horizon]

Blue is so much more consistent omg

[storm shard]

To be fair her base move set is already kinda crazy so I can see why they didn’t add too much, her last phase literally eliminates any of her cooldowns

[balmy wraith]

hard to argue on opinion based things, its pointless cuz if majority says otherwise, you wont win

[crude geyser]

This isn’t ship it’s just funny silksong meme

[stiff night]

im from netherlands idk how to spel

[crude geyser]

I don’t ship them…

[quartz roost]

You don't need to beat bell Eater. You need to get double in act 3 but not to get into act 3, so until act 3 you don't need to... Actually you might not need double jump for act 3

[vivid horizon]

It's ok twn

[balmy wraith]

for me, thk and pv are the same on my fav list

[quartz roost]

The slab isn't needed until act 3

[torn rock]

crazy i can join vc now yay

[icy crow]

Pretty sure you do need Faydown Cloak for act three

[stiff night]

yes bc i said bb is required for act 3

[icy crow]

Unless you can do some good jumps in the Cradle and Cogwork Core

[storm shard]

Act 3 without faydown sounds like genuine hell

[minor sparrow]

Pv only introduces 2, both do jack shit, NKG only introduces 1, abs rad technically introduces 1

I don't think how many attacks they add should really matter as long as they use them well

[hardy tangle]

literally the only thing someone could like thk more is the infectionslop moveset which is objectively worse than cool ass soul attacks

[slim thorn]

It added like 200 to me

[quartz roost]

I forgot that it's a requirement. But technically you don't need double jump to beat the game since GMS is an ending

[hardy tangle]

cus theyre the same character they have the same exact lore

[icy crow]

I'm still waiting for the Radiant Mossgrub DLC

[crude geyser]

Do you guys like Shawkra

[exotic cedar]

Me when im in a boss refight competition and my opponent is team cherry

[storm shard]

Most of silksong’s bosses objectively have more depth than hk’s bosses

[stiff night]

think about da litle buggys that need you

[minor sparrow]

Nah I can understand the emotional and music aspect of liking the fight more

[balmy wraith]

lost lace spam blocking

[slender juniper]

Yes Its an requirement

[quartz roost]

Ummmmm, bell beast herself isn't, but I forgot that double jump is

[minor sparrow]

I thought you meant like karm and was pretty confused lol

[quartz roost]

What do you mean?

[hardy tangle]

for the story! as a boss fight its just inferior in every way

[stiff night]

yes bc to get out of slab you need bb or softlock

[hardy tangle]

story should not carry the whole fight thats just a bad way of looking at it

[minor sparrow]

Pv and LL are pretty up there for my favorite fights, idk which one I like more

[stiff night]

leave them behind while pharloom crumbles

[icy crow]

This channel sucks ass

[balmy wraith]

for me karm doesnt block much, but thats prob cuz i only attack when she doin a mov

[minor sparrow]

Currently LL but that might be more recency bus idk

[storm shard]

Lost Lace is my favourite fight of all time

[charred ruin]

game was updated so that u cant be sent to the slab without unlocking bb first

[icy crow]

No? You can just go back the way you came

[stiff night]

karmlaita is stupid big

[minor sparrow]

Sk if green prince got a little ambitious

[stiff night]

i mean capture

[storm shard]

I think the fact she has different variants of her attacks and is so unpredictable as a result makes her fun to replay idk that’s just me

[slender juniper]

If you get captured the slab is a soft lock without bell beasr

[quartz roost]

Actually, can't you open the slab from the outside which would get rid of needing bell beast?

[icy crow]

Pretty sure you can just exit from the main gate

[stiff night]

OOOOH i dint know

[exotic cedar]

Some people care about the story more and some people care about the gameplay more, so i respect it

[slender juniper]

Yes

[stiff night]

i gtg

[slender juniper]

You can't

[hardy tangle]

care about both

[exotic cedar]

I generally crave for good gameplay and great replayibilty

[charred ruin]

i think you need a key for that which isnt located within the slab so unless you grab that key first (basically no one does) then you cant

[hardy tangle]

like i think most people care about both

[slender juniper]

If you could get into the citadel via slab speedruners would already be doing it

[crimson timber]

Fahhhhh

[exotic cedar]

I don't really care about the story

Neither the lore, silksongs both things didnt really interest me

[hexed sonnet]

the architect supercharge seems to be doing something

[severe jasper]

Ive been doing this stupid fucking minigame for 2 and a half hours. This is the first time in weeks ive thought about killing myself. Im taking a break from this bs

[icy crow]

Silksong is loreslop fr

[quartz roost]

So then bell beast isn't required?

[subtle lynx]

use shaman crest

[storm shard]

LORESLOP!

[slender juniper]

Explain

[glass mortar]

2% 3 spool fragments 1% 4 mask shard %4 tools 3 diffrent things on my list for 100% so close yet so far!

[exotic cedar]

Why be loreslop when you can become gameplayslop

[severe jasper]

I already said im taking a fucking break

[charred ruin]

killing urself over a minigame is concerning

[vivid horizon]

Really cool looking supercharge

[hardy tangle]

if youre gonna share an opinion an is open to fighting for it then you should probably build that opinion properly

[subtle lynx]

I thought yiu didn't like exploring

[graceful oyster]

I need a word for someone/something through which a major task is completed

[charred ruin]

there are better things to die over

[severe jasper]

Killing yourself in general isn't????

[exotic cedar]

What

[minor sparrow]

I've never really actively searched for lore in games I play but I do like understanding the world and I already enjoy silksong gameplay so that helps

[glass mortar]

nah dont trust

[graceful oyster]

Something along the lines of "agent" or "executor"

[exotic cedar]

I like exploring, and that's part of the gameplay

[slender juniper]

If you get captured into the slab without bell beast you're softlocked

[subtle lynx]

aren't you the guy who complained about the existence of breackable walls

[balmy wraith]

downloading the skong update as we speak

[severe jasper]

Im not thats why im taking a break

[minor sparrow]

Key npc, maybe?

[graceful oyster]

No. A word.

[exotic cedar]

Yes, i don't think they should be very hidden and lock a percent behind them

[charred ruin]

thats concerning too but there are very rare situations where id see it as more viable tbh

[graceful oyster]

Not a gaming term

[slender juniper]

You can access the slab from the citadel

[minor sparrow]

Key

[severe jasper]

I haven't even eaten anything yet today

[storm shard]

Word

[subtle lynx]

so you like a bit of exploring gameplay

[exotic cedar]

For little things like rosaries? Sure. For a tool? No

[graceful oyster]

That doesn't mean what I'm looking for

[subtle lynx]

but not so much

[storm shard]

Slenderman go eat something dude the flea minigame is not that deep I promise

[minor sparrow]

Like in what context

[exotic cedar]

I like exploring finding new things is cool but not through some random breakble wall

[subtle lynx]

IT IS that deep

[minor sparrow]

Is this for a game in a specific genre/background?

[slender juniper]

Krabbio

[subtle lynx]

feel frustrated, feel it

so when you win, it feels even better

[minor sparrow]

Taskmaster would be good

[graceful oyster]

Say you have some big ceremony where you light a huge fire, what do you call the person who walks down the aisle with a torch

[subtle lynx]

and use shaman crest (Except for pogo minigame, use reaper there)

[storm shard]

The torch wielder

[exotic cedar]

Nine sols is a great example, you explore the surroundings but you don't have to hit every wall in existence but you still find some useful stuff

[minor sparrow]

Well in that specific instance a torchbearer

[graceful oyster]

I need a word for the concept

[charred ruin]

flame bearer?

[severe jasper]

I know its not that serious that's why im taking a break. I have been mentally unwell for years and doing the same infuriating task over and over for hours isn't good for me

[graceful oyster]

Word for the concept

[graceful oyster]

A word for the concept

[subtle lynx]

because nine sols from what I've heard multiple times is not about exploring

[minor sparrow]

I know, I'm thinking dude

[vivid horizon]

It's js a video game twn

[subtle lynx]

it's barely a metroidavania from what I've heard

[storm shard]

Trust me, taking a break from a part of the game that is frustrating you does wonders for when you retry it again

[exotic cedar]

Pretty sure it focuses on combat more

[storm shard]

Parry slop

[hardy tangle]

yeah cus the exploration is ass and only the boss fights are good

[cosmic sparrow]

[charred ruin]

catalyst

[exotic cedar]

I wish nine sols areas was more diverse

[graceful oyster]

It's close, but not quite there

[cosmic sparrow]

[subtle lynx]

parry slop enjoyers when they can't sastify their woman (you have to explore and find the clitoris not parrying it)

[minor sparrow]

Idk the names I hear for things like that are more case-by-case

[hexed sonnet]

i been stuck on bell eater for an hour now

[severe jasper]

Realistically ill try again for maybe an hour tomorrow, give up, then never try again and accept im ass at flea dodge

[slender juniper]

What happens when you go into act3 too early

[minor sparrow]

Handler?

[subtle lynx]

that fight sucks, you just gotta be patient and hit him in an attack that feels comfortable to you

[slender juniper]

Or witch crest it

[storm shard]

Bell eater is a drag, it’s my least favourite act 3 boss

[subtle lynx]

that ain't gonna help much

[charred ruin]

orchestrator

[slender juniper]

It does

Free damage

[minor sparrow]

Ooh that's good

[subtle lynx]

it sucks, but there are ton of shitty act 3 bosses

[graceful oyster]

Also really close but that has more of a specific connotation

[severe jasper]

Would it be crazy to say that seth highscores are harder than any boss in ss

[graceful oyster]

These are good though

[storm shard]

Sure but bell eater just has me bored and I think that’s the worst type of boss

[minor sparrow]

I would say organizer, but that's like overall events

[subtle lynx]

no not really

[storm shard]

Pale stag is a close second

[subtle lynx]

hard agree man

[glacial kelp]

idk spark

[minor sparrow]

Then where's zango?

[exotic cedar]

Bell eater cool concept lame fight

[slender juniper]

Bell eater is peak

[subtle lynx]

watcher over the edge bores me a ton

[storm shard]

Not an act 3 boss

[graceful oyster]

Doesn't have a sense of completing some task

[slender juniper]

It is

[subtle lynx]

palestag is not boring

[icy crow]

He is though?

[balmy wraith]

does bell eater eat bells or does eat bell bell eaters

[storm shard]

My fault LOL it’s been a while since I encountered him

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-true-silksong-hollow-knight-truebbio-gif-4872516641731648376

[minor sparrow]

Yes he is though? You find his body in 1/2 and can fight him in 3 once the wormways are overrun

[subtle lynx]

yeah the name is confusing, but I think it implies the second thing

[hexed sonnet]

fym too early i have my needle maxxed

[storm shard]

He has one attack

[severe jasper]

My sister ate all of the pizza my mom got like the fatass she is so im just gonna make spaghetti.

[minor sparrow]

Palestag is pretty boring

[vivid horizon]

bell eater bell eat

[slender juniper]

Should have grabbed the witch crest smh

[subtle lynx]

but it is not an easy attack to play around since he's constantly moving, it gets pretty frenetic in the end, the fight is also very short

bell eater, watcher over the edge are much more boring

[storm shard]

The fact he constantly teleports just makes the fight more irritating than interesting

[minor sparrow]

I'd rather fight watcher over palestag

[subtle lynx]

or trobbio

these 3 bosses you just wait a lot

[slender juniper]

Alternatively don't bother with bell eater and go everywhere on foot

That's a possibility

[charred ruin]

it aint bad theyre pretty easy to dodge and just throw some tacks around and make him tp to them and take damage instead of trying to use nail attacks

[vivid horizon]

Tiso

[storm shard]

Hop off the goat trobbio is a fine boss

[subtle lynx]

can you even leave the citadel without him

[minor sparrow]

Trobbio I find more enjoyable than those other ones, more for personality than anything

[slender juniper]

Yes

Bell eater is entirely optional

[subtle lynx]

red tools is cheating, they don't count

[smoky bridge]

... Trobbio is less interesting than palestag.

[subtle lynx]

trobio sucks

[smoky bridge]

Sure.

[charred ruin]

if the game gives me red tools im gonna use them

[smoky bridge]

Let's pretend that is true.

[slender juniper]

Trobbio is an annoying fight ngl

[subtle lynx]

sure, but they don't count when talking about strategy

[storm shard]

When trobbio makes his return in sea of sorrow you’ll eat those words

[minor sparrow]

What even

[smoky bridge]

That trobbio is less interesting than palestag

[subtle lynx]

it is

[hexed sonnet]

sorry for not trying to do a 2 hour quest for a crest

[smoky bridge]

(they think they so tuff)

[subtle lynx]

If he does, I hope he gets a good fight

[severe jasper]

Im probably gonna drop silksong until. Spring break is over thinking about it

[slender juniper]

Then just go to bone bottom without bell eater and come back to him

[storm shard]

The witch crest is the easiest one to get actually LOL

[smoky bridge]

It is five minutes tops.

[light swan]

i vouch for this

[severe jasper]

Play tboi or Portal or animal crossing for a while instead

[slender juniper]

Fuck fast travel

[severe jasper]

Who knows, maybe Sea of Sorrows will drop by then

[slender juniper]

Of course it drops tomorrow

[minor sparrow]

Probably not

[severe jasper]

We can hope

[smoky bridge]

I actually really like trobbio.

[minor sparrow]

You can

[subtle lynx]

I'd rather them make the current shitty parts of the game better than get new content

[minor sparrow]

I'm pretty passive when it comes to release dates

[subtle lynx]

so not that excited for SoS

[severe jasper]

Hes such a drama queen hes def top 10 characters in the game

[smoky bridge]

I just re-fought him and he is significantly less annoying than I remember. I think people are just weird about trobbio.

[charred ruin]

that shit dont take 2 hours i got it done in like 10 min

[edgy patio]

nice

[exotic cedar]

Yeah act 3 kinda sucks

[slender juniper]

But what if the new content is really good

[smoky bridge]

He's not hiding that much aside from the phase transition.

[exotic cedar]

But giving more content to act 3 would fix it, or will it not?

[subtle lynx]

I'd rather get a "lifeblood update"

[rough anvil]

I had nobody else to test this with at that point

[edgy patio]

agree crust king khann is my least favorite boss in act 3

[slender juniper]

Speedrun the game and then talk about him again

[smoky bridge]

And like yeah phase transition is gonna phase transition.

[hexed sonnet]

FUCK YOU BELL EATER EAT SHIT

I WON!!!!!

[storm shard]

GG

[smoky bridge]

Simply don't die on him.

[minor sparrow]

Tormented feels more annoying to me honestly in terms of being off screen or unreachable

[subtle lynx]

I'm not saying I don't want it, but I think it would take less time and I'd rather them make things like certain bosses better

[rough anvil]

Why did we slander my vigorous crust king khann

[severe jasper]

Holy shit these videos actually exist???

[smoky bridge]

Oh yeah tormented is annoying a bit.

[subtle lynx]

or fix some tools

[severe jasper]

I thought people were joking

[slender juniper]

Hard when the projectiles he throws are rng

[subtle lynx]

tormented is actually more consistent

he can't do tornado while on the ground

[smoky bridge]

I barely ever got hit by the projectiles.

The main issue is I suck at the tornader attack.

[subtle lynx]

so you can safely hit him without worrying

[minor sparrow]

God that gave me lost sinner flashbacks

[rough anvil]

Do yall preffer strawberry trobbio or grape trobbio

[exotic cedar]

Tormented is prob one of my favorite refight TC made

[minor sparrow]

And jump and pogo and swing

[storm shard]

Strawberry

[charred ruin]

strawberry

[minor sparrow]

That's all I do

[edgy patio]

tormented trobbio

[smoky bridge]

Anyways It does not surprise me that the people who refuse to use tools find act 3, annoying.

[slender juniper]

But they are mostly arg, you don't know which direction they explode and the way he throws them,tornado attack is fine

[hexed sonnet]

i am not switching my main from architect ever

[slender juniper]

'Tools are cheating tho"

[subtle lynx]

everyone finds it annoying

[hexed sonnet]

clutched groal and now again with bell eater

[minor sparrow]

Alternate reality game

[rough anvil]

As much as i love tools i will not withstand the shard bundle farm

[slender juniper]

We lost another one to the architects

[hexed sonnet]

supercharge does 3 hits

[subtle lynx]

I've never ever seen anyone go "wow, voided enemies are so fun!"

[charred ruin]

act 3 wasnt that bad for me tbh cuz i already got all the % you can do before act 3 so i didnt need to deal with any voided bosses

[storm shard]

wow, voided enemies are so fun!

[smoky bridge]

It's not as bad as people keep insisting it is.
The citadel sucks, but it's not torturous. Like people keep implying.

[rough anvil]

I loved voided chef lugoli

[edgy patio]

wow, voided enemies are so fun!

[slender juniper]

If you like the architects charge attack get pin badge

[smoky bridge]

Voigoli...

[hexed sonnet]

i need to upgrade my pouches and i'll become the average architect user

[charred ruin]

and only 7% of completion is locked to act 3

[smoky bridge]

I also just. Like the act 3 bosses so.

[minor sparrow]

I actually take games with a pretty positive out look now that I think about it

[subtle lynx]

the whole game is filled with annoying voided enemies and half the bosses suck

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[hexed sonnet]

what does it do

[slender juniper]

Decrease the charge time

[subtle lynx]

"red tools aren't cheating"

[minor sparrow]

A game has to really make me not enjoy it before I say I don't like it.

[smoky bridge]

Pinstress I like.
I like the heart bosses (all of them, yes, including clover dancers) I really like Gurr.

[hexed sonnet]

if its given by the game it isnt cheating

[rough anvil]

I no lifed nyleth with architect crest im gonna make an act 3 save file just to fight it like a normal person

[edgy patio]

crust peasant khann is the worst boss, he has 3 high halls type arenas before you can fight him

the boss itself is fine though

[minor sparrow]

Coral tower feels nothing like forum fr

[rough anvil]

Hes just my shy little boy

[slender juniper]

Bro is easier than moss mother

[smoky bridge]

"red tools are cheating, also those voided enemies are really annoying to fight and have more HP"
The ever reliable fucking arsenal of random bullshit you can throw at stuff to kill it faster

[subtle lynx]

I'm not talking about tampering-with-the-files cheating but the whole point was talking about strategy and someone bringing up red tools as if they were not a limited time resource that can just make any fight cheasy, like they just showed above

[storm shard]

You can so obviously tell he was supposed to be an act 1 boss before the game got changed

[hexed sonnet]

the high halls gauntlet wasn't that bad seriously

[subtle lynx]

with red tools in consideration, there's no point on discussing anything

[tight viper]

Forum is peak

[rough anvil]

I died more times on the first hunter's march gauntlet than the high halls gauntlet im not even kidding

[edgy patio]

agreed, but the arenas are what make his fight really give a weird unsatisfied feeling

[edgy patio]

i know right

[rough anvil]

Hunter's march you're so useless🥹

[storm shard]

Shakra unironically made it harder for me I literally couldn’t focus on anything with her flying around the place

[smoky bridge]

Wronge it gives. Beast crest
Which I love.

[slender juniper]

She does good damage tho

[hexed sonnet]

hardest bosses for me

1. moorwing
2. widow
3. bell eater
4. savage beastfly 2

[storm shard]

She’s helpful but it’s like damn girl stay still

[rough anvil]

Im also a beast crest main but honestly hunter's march doesnt serve a better purpose

[minor sparrow]

Me when I'm in a "blowing shit out of proportion" contest and my opponent is a HK discord member

[subtle lynx]

so you're saying that if someone doesn't have shards because he used them before in act 2 now knowing act 3 was a thing then he's screwed up? obviously the game was not balanced with them in mind since you can just not have them

[dawn narwhal]

could you survive and beat sinkskunk if you took a shot of muckmaggot water for every time you heard the dies irae motif
-# if you try to do a loophole you get shot with muck gun

[exotic cedar]

Arenas are the best part

Coral tower might be the best part of the game

[hexed sonnet]

id rather do 4 arenas than 1 boss fight

[storm shard]

Yes!

[rough anvil]

The only enemies that make me recover from wanting to die in act 1 is widow, moss mother and moorwing
And lace kinda

[dawn narwhal]

do it

[hexed sonnet]

oh wait thats crust king khan

[slender juniper]

"take a shot of whiskey every dies irae "

[storm shard]

Moss mother??

[rough anvil]

She's simple but fun

Also i love moss grotto

[subtle lynx]

moss mother is a great boss

[slender juniper]

Opening screen is already a shot

[storm shard]

I mean she’s fine but I wouldn’t say she stands out or anything

[rough anvil]

Moss mother the sequel isnt that good tho

[minor sparrow]

You'd be dead before act 2

[hexed sonnet]

the worst boss fight in the entire game is probably father of the wisp

[exotic cedar]

Moss mother is mid i wont attack and kill her at night because she's the first boss

[subtle lynx]

she's great for a starter boss and is much better than lot of act 2 and act 3 bosses

[storm shard]

The worst boss in the entire game is zango

[storm shard]

You are tripping bro

[hardy tangle]

takes so ass you start crine

[hexed sonnet]

havent gitten that far

[storm shard]

You aren’t missing much trust me LOL

[smoky bridge]

"They"
would be more inclusive.

And like. You're not supposed to spam all your fucking tools out at all times constantly to the obscene amount until you're constantly fucking running out of shards and rosaries.
It's not even fun that way.
Use them in conjunction with the needle.
Find downtime where you can't safely hit with the needle ant throw a thing.
Pop flea brew so you can swing harder.
Flintslate so you have can kill a tougher enemy faster.

[rough anvil]

They will never change moss mother the original ftw

[exotic cedar]

Double moss mother is boring

[subtle lynx]

what fun did you have more fun with? moss mother or father of the flame, watcher over the edge, zango, pale stag, lost garmond, unravelled, broodmother, etc

[dawn narwhal]

double moss mother is fun
-# as a clawline main atleast

[hardy tangle]

moss mother duo are voided in act 3 which is the best moss mother boss

[rough anvil]

Voided moss mother is like

Evil moss mother
I liked it but not as much
Better than moss mother the sequel

[storm shard]

Broodmother is not as bad as people make her out to be

[exotic cedar]

Bring me more refights team cherry!!

[dawn narwhal]

moss trobbio > moss mothers

[smoky bridge]

People who outright refuse to use tools act as if using tools means you're just spamming the fucking tool button and standing around.
Nobody actually plays like that.
And, to be honest. Even if someone plays like that. Who cares?

[rough anvil]

I liked broodmother

[earnest drift]

you get it

[rough anvil]

Any motherly enemy i like somehow

[hardy tangle]

voidslop is voidslop but moss mother is moss mother so she benefits from being void

[earnest drift]

is double moss mother better than double vengefly king

[subtle lynx]

if people can play the whole game by just using tools without knowing act 3 is even a thing, the game should consider that. We don't have to even go that deep, what if you're using tools with a hard bossfight and you run out? are you supposed to not use them until you're sure you can win? or should you do a boring grind? red tools are just bad desing

[rough anvil]

Time to get the silk&soul quest for nyleth😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I speedran this save file this is gonna take so long
Witch crest atleast ily witch crest

[storm shard]

What I’m sayin

[rough anvil]

Yes

[hardy tangle]

double vengefly king is abhorrent

[charred ruin]

yooo is ur pfp by terenry

[subtle lynx]

2 of a good boss is better than 2 of a bad boss

[rough anvil]

Yes !

[charred ruin]

goated artist

[rough anvil]

Its illu

[exotic cedar]

Poop vs shit
But yeah

[earnest drift]

neither of them are good bosses idk how this is relevant

[hardy tangle]

i died more to radiant double vengefly than radiant pv

[subtle lynx]

?????

how is moss mother a bad boss

[rough anvil]

Moss mother genuinely makes me smile yall

[tight viper]

Moss Mother is great

Amazing tutorial boss

[terse cloak]

moss mother ez

[rough anvil]

Moss mother and gruzz mother will always be in my heart

[earnest drift]

she’s a good tutorial boss, far better than false knight, but I don’t think she’s massively better than vengefly king on replays

[dawn narwhal]

Moss mother is good tutorial boss but boring elsewhere
Good on first playthrough and filler otherwise

[smoky bridge]

If you are dying that many times consider swapping tools. Trying a different approach, maybe there is a better one. Or, in act 2, which is way more open than the first, and majority of the game takes part in it. Take a break. Go somewhere else?

[subtle lynx]

she is masively better

[storm shard]

Moss mother is a good boss for your first playthrough and that’s really it

[subtle lynx]

vengfly king is a patience test

[earnest drift]

why
both dive and summon minions

[rough anvil]

Since im gonna do silk&soul i might just do second sentinel aswell since people say its peak and i wanna see if its true

[tight viper]

VFK in P5 is dogshit

[earnest drift]

oh is it because you can hit moss mother while you have to wait for vengefly king to dive

[exotic cedar]

And i HATE being patient. Atleast you can pogo moss mama

[smoky bridge]

You can actually hit her reliably even when she is not actively swooping, without becoming glued to her forehead.

[subtle lynx]

you can actually hit and interact with moss mother and her summons aren't annoying

[subtle lynx]

exactly

[tight viper]

Also you have Clawline

[storm shard]

No you don’t

[tight viper]

The duo fight can’t feel slow if you have clawline

[exotic cedar]

You can pogo vengfly papa too but that's pretty risky and you go offscreen

[dawn narwhal]

Moss Mom is only fun for clawline mains

[tight viper]

For the duo, you can have it

And for the a3 one you will have it

[storm shard]

For the duo fight sure

[subtle lynx]

why should I be punished by playing the game in a normal ass way lol what even is this argument

I shouldn't be punished for just attempting to do hard stuff that just makes me not want to use my resources or not practice

it's the same issue with cocoon and shade runbacks

in a way

you don't lose anything if you manage to get your cocoon back, but you can't get the shards you spent in a boss back

[smoky bridge]

Hey so are the tools "literally cheating" and "entirely too OP" or are you dying all the time using them because I... Uuh, feel like there is a bit of a dissonance here.

Like those are entirely opposite problems to have.

[hexed sonnet]

i think i'll have triple digit hours by the time i finish lost lace

[subtle lynx]

they are cheating because the game is clearly not balanced around them, and they are op because you can do stuff like the video above, but regular players don't know about the insane combos when playing the game for the first time and it would be hard for them to find them since in addition, tools are a limited resource so you're incentivized to not use them

[exotic cedar]

Its a singleplayer game so there's no cheating

[smoky bridge]

I do think two things should be done:

Make the fucking gauntlet enemies drop shell shards and rosaries, or at least just shell shards. Why do they not drop anything
Generally increase shell shard drops.

[exotic cedar]

Its unbalanced yeah, but i wouldnt call players cheaters because they used tools

[subtle lynx]

I think it's pretty obvious I'm not talking about cheating in a community sense

you're cheating yourself and the video game

red tools just let you skip bosses in a sense

[smoky bridge]

But also. Why do you care if someone beats the game using an easier method.

[hardy tangle]

unless youre a speedrunner the meta for a single player fucking game doesnt matter at all

[smoky bridge]

Other than the incredible need to gas yourself up because "you beat that the real way"

[hardy tangle]

if you think somethings op just dont use it

[subtle lynx]

did I ever mention anything similar to that?

[exotic cedar]

Yeah different tools should have a like a small cooldown to become more balanced, but i don't give a fuck really

[subtle lynx]

this whole convo started from a palestag discussion that you got into

[hardy tangle]

p*lestag

[subtle lynx]

idc about what you do in your game, you can give yourself infinite shards by modding idagf

[exotic cedar]

pissshitag

[subtle lynx]

you are the one who cares since you're constantly calling me out for considering red tools cheating

[smoky bridge]

^ ?

[hardy tangle]

crest discourse will always be pointless cus why do you even care about how someone else plays thats weird

[smoky bridge]

Which isn't related to the tools thing. I still just think it's insane to say it's more interesting than trobbio.

[subtle lynx]

what about it? we're talking about strategy and someone brings out red tools which is irrelevant for the reasons I stated much above

[rough anvil]

Joy tierlist

HELP

Nvm

[smoky bridge]

If someone is asking for strategy to beat a boss, I, for one, would consider the literal mechanic that exists in the game.

Of using tools that work. It's not "irrelevant"

[hardy tangle]

i vomit a little in my mouth

[smoky bridge]

It's over half the options you have at your disposal.

Whatever I'm just.

[exotic cedar]

I'm staring at the list and trying to understand it

[subtle lynx]

I wouldn't consider broken limited strats because then there's no discussion to be had if the player posses the broken strat and there's also no discussion to be had if the player doesn't have the broken strat (out of shards) or doesn't want to use them (why spend limited resources on a completely optional and irrelevant boss)

[storm shard]

Khann at the very top and then lost lace at the very bottom okay buddy

[hardy tangle]

probaby how good the boss fight is cus all the bottom ones are dogshit bosses with LL being an outlier

[rough anvil]

I like his design and his fight is simple
Lost lace is js lace spat out with voided attacks im sorry

[hardy tangle]

i can understand not liking crawfather and not being able to handle his peakness but wtf did seth do

[smoky bridge]

It's only really "broken" if you play architect and specifically spam out all the money you have.

[lavish sedge]

Hello everyone I have a DLC idea

[exotic cedar]

What does "i try to find the fight" mean
Is it just like the bosses you didn't fought

[storm shard]

Ya

[hardy tangle]

ig they want to actively fight it in a playthrough

[exotic cedar]

Ohh

[rough anvil]

I try to skip stuff just to get there

[subtle lynx]

No, the issue is not just architect, you can for example, skip the entire last phase of lost lace and karmelita with tools, which feels like cheating to me

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-laptop-drake-gif-21716481

[subtle lynx]

with any crest I mean

[pulsar zenith]

they should make it if you get wet in the dlc you get heavy for a bit

[lavish sedge]

Do you want to know my DLC idea

[storm shard]

Yes

[hardy tangle]

never develop a game

[smoky bridge]

It's not a perfect system. I think some tools should have a cool down added, or a deploy limit, in the case of tacks and sting shards.

[pulsar zenith]

😞

[lavish sedge]

I want to call the DLC Silent Melodies and it works like Hidden Dreams from Hollow Knight

[pulsar zenith]

whyy

[earnest drift]

what is a silent melody

[smoky bridge]

The problem is there is ten billion tools and they range between good, and abysmal dogshit.

[graceful cairn]

bro likes fighting broodmother

[hardy tangle]

flintslate 14 minutes cooldown

[smoky bridge]

You can't just wholesale nerf this shit.

[rough anvil]

Whats wrong with girl

[earnest drift]

will flintslate be useless in sea of sorrow

[lavish sedge]

That's my silksong DLC idea

[smoky bridge]

Rosary cannon and Silksot already are barely doing anything.

[pulsar zenith]

i ment like when u get wet ur cloak gets a bit heavy so ur fly thing does not work as much

[storm shard]

That’s fire

[smoky bridge]

Oh god poison Flintslate first win ever.

It would be so funny.

[storm shard]

My fly thing

[icy crow]

Are we getting a tool that can do actual freeze damage

[exotic cedar]

Tool spam is busted, i think rebalancing it would make the game better but i generally don't care

If someone struggles on a boss i would recomend them to use red tools but i also woudlnt recomend them to spam them if their main purpose in the game is to have fun

[tight viper]

Forgeshot and Weaveshot are fine, only dogshit one is Archshot

[pulsar zenith]

i forgor the name ok

[subtle lynx]

I don't think you can ever balance them out, if I had to change them they need to
-remove the shard system
-balance them out according to this (remove the capacity and dmg, add cooldown or sth)
-remove/rework skilless tools (cogflies, lifeblood, etc)

[rough anvil]

Does poison flintslate only give poison or keep the damage increase and add poison

[icy crow]

It literally nerfs Flintslate

[tight viper]

Nerfs damage from 50 to 30%

[rough anvil]

I dont want shi no more

[smoky bridge]

Capacity and damage are perfectly fine???

[subtle lynx]

in reality, you don't need to do anything, people who like them can still use them and I can still avoid using them

[smoky bridge]

Like even with the removal of shellshards it would be fine.

[subtle lynx]

as I said, idc what people do

[lavish sedge]

And there would be the bosses Shakra's master, Snail Shamans, Fayforn, and Seamstress

[earnest drift]

to balance red tools i think you'd have to nerf the dmg of voltvessels bola, cogflies and tacks
and straight up remove curvesickle from the game
conchcutter is okay i think

[icy crow]

Tool spam players when Socrates pulls up and asks:

"If tools are your power, what are you without them?"

[subtle lynx]

removal of capacity whilist not nerfing capacity or dmg is brutal, If I considered them cheating before, this is sth else

[smoky bridge]

I don't really mind people not using them It just gets really fuckin annoying when half the player base is constantly droning on about how "red tools are cheating"

[hardy tangle]

how team cherry feels after patching a boulder in that one room to make it fall 0.23s slower instead of balancing the tools

[radiant quail]

Get a job guys

[rough anvil]

Luckily since i got witch crest on my architect crest save file i have the destructive bind tools for witch

[subtle lynx]

then you should care less about what people say lol

[exotic cedar]

Is chess THIS serious?

[leaden delta]

i dont like tools as they exist in ss currently, i think

[subtle lynx]

I'll still call them cheating

[earnest drift]

weren't you yelling at me that it's a single player game and tools don't need to be balanced

[hardy tangle]

im more talking about buffing the weak ones so theres more options

[subtle lynx]

single player games need to be balanced btw

[smoky bridge]

Shut the fuck up

[leaden delta]

as a whole, i think i would make them more committal? something more along the line of drill. i think straight pins can stay as they are but thats what id do

[icy crow]

If Wanderer is your power, what are you without it?

[storm shard]

Calm down holy shit 😭😭

[smoky bridge]

God I hate the "unemployed behaviour" jokes.

[subtle lynx]

literally what I just said LMAO

[smoky bridge]

Get a new insult.

[leaden delta]

a lot of the tools just feel like extra tidbits and not something that's properly on your build which i dislike

[subtle lynx]

again, you should care less about what people say

[subtle lynx]

that's exactly how I feel about pretty much all red tolls

[rough anvil]

I saw somewhere before witch crest was the least used crest

[subtle lynx]

it disrupts the flow so much

[leaden delta]

so i like making more committal stuff for that reason

[radiant quail]

Wtf I just joking

[charred ruin]

i thought itd be beast

[hardy tangle]

like 30 charms in hk are unusable so i doubt silksong is gonna do anything about their tools

[icy crow]

If Team Cherry was going to make 50+% of completion be tools then they should've made Spider Strings something else

[hardy tangle]

i think i prefer tools to be stronger than a single nail attack just a hot take

[noble fractal]

tru

[subtle lynx]

they are usable, people don't consider that players want to survive not kill bosses in the fastest time possible

[smoky bridge]

Beast actually has more consistent healing.

[void moat]

is this a pollip pouch reference?

[subtle lynx]

people also don't consider that you don't start the game with all tools immediately unlocked

or charms4

[noble fractal]

in this sense tools are fine but the implementation of shell shards is shaky

[icy crow]

You forgot the "just use Descending Dark" people

[charred ruin]

you can heal back masks on plasmium overdose without enemies around on witch crest but i hear more people complaining about beast pogo over its healing

[smoky bridge]

Jarvis, the descending dark copy pasta.

[noble fractal]

but i dont think anything is gonna be done about shell shards cuz a lot of things in silksong are built around them even excluding red tools

[smoky bridge]

Same with beast tho.

[subtle lynx]

yeah, the first time I beat hk I had a complete healing build without any of the "meta" charms

[hardy tangle]

tbh red tools arent that bad, its just the blue ones that stink

who gaf about the yellow tools

[noble fractal]

blue tools are fine wdym

[subtle lynx]

no obviously, no red tool is bad

[noble fractal]

whats the problem with blues

[smoky bridge]

?

[earnest drift]

what's wrong with blue tools
they're so much better than charms

[exotic cedar]

Some are ass

[smoky bridge]

The rosary canon is so unusable even the people who want to like it hate it.

[radiant quail]

Sea of Sorrow is coming guys, prepare your Red tools

[smoky bridge]

And it's a shame cause it looks so cool.

[icy crow]

Out of all blue tools pretty much the only godlike one is basically Fractured Mask lol

[earnest drift]

wispfire lantern, memory crystal, volt filament

[subtle lynx]

but since blue tool take the same slot, they have to all be balanced, so they are extremely niche or have strong effects with some downside to make them balanced

[noble fractal]

i mean yea thats a balancing issue but theres no big inherent problems outside of that

[hardy tangle]

maybe its just memory crystal

[exotic cedar]

Pin badge kindaaa fine but you get it so late

[slim thorn]

Let me sharp my poisoned pins, clearly a good starter tool combo

[icy crow]

Volt Filament is peak wdym

[charred ruin]

sawtooth circlet lowkey goated

[noble fractal]

isnt filament really good? ive seen memory crystal get some use too

[earnest drift]

+25% for a blue slot is nothing

[smoky bridge]

Bin badge is fun tbh

[hardy tangle]

i used nail art attack lke twice

[graceful cairn]

why is he lying

[smoky bridge]

Is this ragebait, lace? Are you being s ragebaiter? It's ok. You can tell us

[icy crow]

Well I'd still use it when fighting certain bosses

[smoky bridge]

We won't be mad.

[slim thorn]

How much was shamstone?

[subtle lynx]

lantern is a tool that has no skill involved, it has to suck cause skilless mechanics are not fun, you exchange power for skill

[earnest drift]

no i'm just sick of people saying "+25% is nothing" for snitch pick and barbed bracelet so i'm doing the same to volt filament

[smoky bridge]

Like 40 iirc

[graceful cairn]

so it IS bait

[smoky bridge]

Ok yeah I am now fully on board.

[subtle lynx]

that's why in hollow knight the best tools are the offensive tools, it is made like that on design

[noble fractal]

goofy

[smoky bridge]

*now

[hardy tangle]

charms just had more potential to be interesting and balanced compared to blue tools tho it had a better system

[exotic cedar]

AND we are the FIH

[hardy tangle]

blue tools all take the same slot so they have to be equally good

[light swan]

we are conductor ballador

[icy crow]

Doesn't Barbed Bracelet increase +50% of Needle damage? Unless I'm wrong

[slim thorn]

Well, +25% is more on bigger numbers i guess
Altough i heard snitch pick is good

[smoky bridge]

Nah, 25

[noble fractal]

no only 25 lol

[smoky bridge]

%

[earnest drift]

no it's +25% and for a yellow slot it is extremely worth it (if you don't get hit)

[earnest drift]

snitch pick is good

[smoky bridge]

If it did 50% it would be the single best yellow tool in the game.

[icy crow]

At least we didn't get a free +50% damage tool in this game

[noble fractal]

barbed bracelet is legitimately not very good although ofc its better the better you are at the game

[leaden delta]

this is exactly why i prefer the notch system

[earnest drift]

exactly

[leaden delta]

in theory

[rocky jolt]

they think im using snitch pick when its the same tool category as volt filament 😂

[light swan]

its ok we all know dreamshield is better than unbreakable strength

[lavish sedge]

Also maybe Silent Melodies could allow you to upgrade the needolin

[light swan]

guys... just use both snitch pick and volt filament

[earnest drift]

the notch system is cool it's just charms are smelly

[slim thorn]

I would like combining both systems

[noble fractal]

i dont think barbed bracelet is well designed as a yellow tool ngl i think it makes far more sense as a blue tool and you can afford to make the bonus better then

[rocky jolt]

no

[smoky bridge]

Tbh I use clawline way more than silk skills.

[smoky bridge]

I only have one slot ;^;

[light swan]

well if youre beast youre not gonna use either

[hardy tangle]

i wish charms had more intentional combinations like defenders crest + flukenest

[soft belfry]

Apparently it says 50% but only increases 25

[smoky bridge]

I use snitch pick a lot actually.

[soft belfry]

Vesticrest

[hardy tangle]

and said combination didnt suck complete dookie butt

[smoky bridge]

Purely because it's good for some of the more mobile bosses.

[icy crow]

So either the wiki or the game is giving misinformation

[light swan]

yea. if youre beast youre not gonna use either

[noble fractal]

tbh i think most blue tools still manage to be reasonably balanced with this in mind, some are obviously better but most of them are still worth using depending on playstyle/situation

[soft belfry]

I think I used volt on beast

[smoky bridge]

No I am... I am literally using snitch pick on some bosses.

[subtle lynx]

the game would never give specific numbers, it's too much information to the player from team cherry's part

[slim thorn]

Who uses snitch pick for resources here? Raise yall hands

[light swan]

nevermind snitch pick is still the goat

[subtle lynx]

they are not that communicative

[rocky jolt]

there is plenty but they just forget to make them actually good synergies

[light swan]

claw mirrors beast on top

[noble fractal]

honestly most of the bad blue tools are analogues of 1 cost hk charms lol

[hardy tangle]

i get carried by injector band but i have to admit its not a good design cus why would i ever want to replace it with another blue tool if it helps me so much

[soft belfry]

For coral tower to spam nails on hovering waves

[hardy tangle]

helps me in every situation too except fuckass father of the flame or something

[subtle lynx]

I think the only truly bad blue tool is the crystal thing, the rest are usable

[smoky bridge]

I still think it's really funny that defenders makes glowing womb worse.

[hardy tangle]

i can think of like 6 and half of them are defenders crest

[smoky bridge]

Like, Glowing womb already sucks ass.

[pulsar zenith]

should help make the dlc for silksong?

[graceful oyster]

Wouldn't it be so foolish of an ideal to make a tool that increased your damage if you had no silk

[smoky bridge]

Stop beating him, he's already dead.

[soft belfry]

I like that one 😭

[subtle lynx]

you're never out of silk

[soft belfry]

Yes cos silkheart

[rocky jolt]

forced to use wispfire lantern

[soft belfry]

You could skip bb ig

[graceful oyster]

They don't know

[noble fractal]

tbh i could say the same about multibinder idk what the consensus of that is here but that helps me believe that most of the blue tools will see use depending on the person

[graceful cairn]

hmmmmm

[icy crow]

All the summoner charms of Hollow Knight sucks ass actually

[soft belfry]

Anklets might also get some uptime

But if you hit the enemy the effect wears off too

[graceful oyster]

Hey you weren't supposed to do that

Let subtle references stay subtle

[smoky bridge]

The weaverlings are the most usable.

[light swan]

wouldnt be pretty effective if you could dismantle enemies for more money without the thiefs mark drawback

[subtle lynx]

injector band is the best blue tool

[noble nova]

Wadzap

[noble fractal]

a few might be a bit too good but the blue tool balance is definitely better than hks like 5 or so top tier charms that you have little reason not to use

[hardy tangle]

they should add green tools

[charred ruin]

not if you never need healing

[smoky bridge]

I mean it's good I guess but circlet or snitch pick are hard to pass up.

[light swan]

btw it would probs be better if it was like less than 9 silk, or maybe less than 4 silk

[noble fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[charred ruin]

can we get a whole rainbow of tools actually

[noble fractal]

gif fail

[soft belfry]

Black tools might be possible

[hardy tangle]

indigo tool

[graceful oyster]

Probably less than 3 because that's what recharges

[smoky bridge]

Ourple tool

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/fuQRDulNLtd.gif

[noble fractal]

true name btw

[charred ruin]

june update we get tools of every color tool slot for gay prince month

[light swan]

true

[subtle lynx]

voided tools (they are just regular tools but give hornet random void attacks)

[icy crow]

White tools

(They're just silk imbued tools)

[soft belfry]

Something like that yea

[soft belfry]

So, silk skills

[smoky bridge]

They all just shitty silk skill reskins

[exotic cedar]

They should add purple and green tools, we already have red

[icy crow]

Cross Stitch that consumes Shell Shards

[graceful oyster]

A Silksong foolish ideal that heavy buffed when under 3 silk would be great because it would be nice for Shamans and for clawline

[smoky bridge]

50.99 dora

[charred ruin]

cursed crest players will love this one

[smoky bridge]

Shell shield.

[graceful oyster]

Also true

[subtle lynx]

they should add some green tools that are "challenge tools" which just debuff you

[soft belfry]

If we get that on vesti architect gonna be insane

[slim thorn]

Cries in toolless cuz curse

[smoky bridge]

Lowkey barbed bracelet and Wispfire lantern.

[soft belfry]

Wouldn't 4 be more op

[graceful oyster]

That's why not 4

[subtle lynx]

no I mean, actual debuffs, like less dmg, less silk per attack, slower healing, etc

[smoky bridge]

Wispfire: wasting Ur silk.
Bracelet getting you killed.

[soft belfry]

My gms build

for hitless lol

[smoky bridge]

GMS doesn't use either of those tools

[soft belfry]

To fight gms

[fervent viper]

https://giphy.com/gifs/peak-gem-alert-rgull1t-8mOPhOrOj8QHfdYdz9

[lusty grove]

the Collector should deal 2 contact damage cuz of Void

[soft belfry]

Counterpoint knight is void

[subtle lynx]

he should also do a random void attack based on a small selection of 4

[lusty grove]

yet it takes 2 damage from the Siblings

[smoky bridge]

I was doing a bit.

[soft belfry]

Isn't that cos infection isn't void

[lusty grove]

?

[smoky bridge]

They are de older siblings.

[charred ruin]

knight deals zero contact damage when we get picked up by it in true ending but is this due to everbloom or because the void can be willed to not harm hornet by the knight

[lusty grove]

I just noticed, the Knight is probably the youngest Vessel

[soft belfry]

Cos it's picking up not nail swinging

[soft belfry]

Otherwise picking up lace should have killed hornet

[smoky bridge]

I mean... That was mostly a joke about how older siblings tend to be shitty to the younger ones.

But I suppose the knight might just be smol

[smoky bridge]

The Mental image is lovely.

[subtle lynx]

the other siblings are not older they just died at some point, though the knight is likely one of the newer ones because of the abyss climb

[smoky bridge]

Arms just fall off.

[charred ruin]

yes but if u jump into void tendrils as hornet u get contact damage

[soft belfry]

With the superjump charge up, it's at least 6 contact dmg

[charred ruin]

well you see lace is not made of void thus deals no void damage unless ur fighting lost lace

[soft belfry]

Those are spiky arms the knight used smooth arms

[lusty grove]

well, the Knight was born directly after the Hollow Knight, and Pale King stopped sending eggs to the Abyss once the Hollow Knight ascended, so it makes sense if the Knight was the last and therefore the youngest

[subtle lynx]

they probably had those eggs all at once

[soft belfry]

Maybe they were too no mind to think and climbed slower

[charred ruin]

void can change shape and form tho

[lusty grove]

cuz the Void Tendrils are dangerous and sharp and toxic and do not have a will

[smoky bridge]

Gratitude still works with the broken core!?

Wth

[subtle lynx]

or in a vey short amount of time

[lusty grove]

damn, White Lady gave birth to a hundred thousand eggs at once

[smoky bridge]

Anyways goodnight.

[subtle lynx]

probably

[soft belfry]

After everbloom the spiky still damages iirc it's the smooth void that's not as harmful

[lusty grove]

well, anyway, the Knight was the last to hatch

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[charred ruin]

no they just stop attacking cuz the everbloom repels them

[subtle lynx]

we don't know what happened after the abyss climb cutscene

multiple bugs could have hatched since then

[charred ruin]

you can straight up just swim in the void after grabbing ever bloom i think

[soft belfry]

Yea not attacking = smooth

[subtle lynx]

WHAT

[compact hamlet]

You can really tell that Ari Gibson finished the annual half life 2 replay when drawing this

[subtle lynx]

I didn't know that

[soft belfry]

Did u not know

[charred ruin]

did you never jump into the void with it

[subtle lynx]

only to fight lost lace

[soft belfry]

You can swim on LL arena, don't descend

[subtle lynx]

but the other void enemies still hurt you

what do the void tendrils do

[tight viper]

Vanish

[soft belfry]

You won't sink just swim cutely in the blackwater

[compact hamlet]

Environmental hazard

[charred ruin]

because theyre imbued with void they are not void itself

[lusty grove]

yeah cuz their Void is imprinted onto a will (I think (that's just a theory))

[tight viper]

Tendrils stop appearing after you grab Everbloom

[vale whale]

everbloom should have been a parry yes guys👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🥶👍👍👍🥶🥶👍👍🥶👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[subtle lynx]

the void spit from the mega gloom still hurts you

[slim jetty]

(Off topic discussion)Me who is banned in deltarune discord for some reason . . .

[vale whale]

hornet whips out a flower when lace throws a wave of pure void at her and hits a full counter💔

[slim jetty]

Anyways

[lusty grove]

cuz it's also stomach acid

[graceful oyster]

When will people realize that being banned from public servers isn't like, a badge of honor

Doesn't look good on you chief

[slim jetty]

I know it isn’t

[graceful oyster]

So why advertise it

[vale whale]

gwyn lord of sunlight vs kratt 1v1 (full power kratt)