sk-discussion

[queen acorn]

you mean surface climb?

[smoky bridge]

There are so much harder areas than the cradle?

[still osprey]

Mount Fay is the hardest and it's only because of the freezing

[queen acorn]

mhm

[subtle lynx]

Yes

[smoky bridge]

And yeah the game isn't super hard platforming wise but it's still nice to be able to recover more health when just bumming around.

[queen acorn]

but multibinder isnt even that useful there

[tropic swan]

I disagree strongly
The surface climb is the hardest the game gets
Or maybe the rising lava challenge for the mask shard in far fields

[queen acorn]

there are so LITTLE cases where your getting silk on parkour

[subtle lynx]

I'm not the one defending multbinder in platforming

[queen acorn]

like at best your getting one bind off

[still osprey]

The far fields mask shard 😭 you're kidding

[queen acorn]

and that one bind is one more mask

[smoky bridge]

I'm saying in general

[tropic swan]

I'm not
Iirc, the enemies make it far harder than it needs to be

[smoky bridge]

Just exploration, platforming.

[queen acorn]

yeah ig

[still osprey]

You're recalling wrong the enemies can be completely ignored

[smoky bridge]

I don't like it in bossfights. I like it in general.

[queen acorn]

its not exactly revolutionary while doing that

[tropic swan]

I might be, it's been a while since i did 100% runs
But i remember being annoyed by that area

[smoky bridge]

Except on beast, because again. I cannot heal as reliably in exploration.
I'm usually not getting that 4th mask cause I have already killed everything around me.

[subtle lynx]

So in conclusion, multbinder is better than fractured mask, bye bye

[tropic swan]

This is a take that I will never understand

[queen acorn]

ion even care anymore

some people can be so confidently wrong

people can wake up and in full confidence be completely wrong

[smoky bridge]

Fractured mask gives you increased safety when playing aggressively.

[tropic swan]

The other main one is i will genuinely never understand the longnail/longclaw people

[still osprey]

I think either of them can be argued for being better than the other, tho I think I'd personally prefer running Mask over Multibinder

[smoky bridge]

While Multibinder rewards playing less agressively.

[smoky bridge]

I like longclaw.

[still osprey]

gms if she was an actually smart pale being

[queen acorn]

theres fewer cases of binder being better overall

[tropic swan]

Can i ask why?
No malice, just curious

[earnest drift]

longclaw is far better than longnail and mark of pride so i understand it

[queen acorn]

not mark of pride

[smoky bridge]

Comfy.

[tropic swan]

What's your rationale?

[tropic swan]

How so?

[queen acorn]

longclaw is good i like it

[tropic swan]

You too

[queen acorn]

its js

[still osprey]

Longnail, MoP and Longclaw are all crutches

[smoky bridge]

It's basically a QoL improvement. I have more leeway when doing basically anything.

[queen acorn]

i get a pencil wide hitbox on wanderers nromally

[earnest drift]

fellas is +25% range for 3 notches better than +27% range for 1 slot

[queen acorn]

and longclaw js makes it better

[tropic swan]

Okay, i can understand that
Makes sense

[queen acorn]

ig

[smoky bridge]

It's not much, but Beast Creat doesn't really have much use for s lot of blues anyways.

[earnest drift]

think about it

[queen acorn]

besides hornets range you have normally is better than the knights

[tropic swan]

But you'd really use a blue tool slot for that?

[exotic dome]

longclaw also increases width btw

[queen acorn]

ion got anything else to use on wanderers

[tropic swan]

The range increase isn't even that much

[earnest drift]

is one blue slot really worth more than three charm notches

[queen acorn]

depends

[tropic swan]

I see

[smoky bridge]

Usually I'm using longclaw interchangeably with circlet, until I get snitch pick, or reserve bind.

[earnest drift]

unlike mark of pride longclaw is actually worth using because it doesn't cost the core of the earth

[queen acorn]

wanderers mains got a pencil wide hitbox longclaw is close to mandatory

[still osprey]

Longclaw is good on Wanderer but I wouldn't use it on any other crest

[queen acorn]

ONE tool is not the core of the earth

[still osprey]

Like I'd much rather run Circlet, Snitch Pick and Volt Filament

[queen acorn]

thats a very large exaggeration

[smoky bridge]

Re-read

[tropic swan]

So what you all are saying is basically it's nice to have until you get something better?

[queen acorn]

i

[smoky bridge]

Na odwrut

[queen acorn]

oh fuck

[earnest drift]

no i'm saying that longclaw's range increase is worth the slot cost
while mark of pride's range increase is not worth the notch cost

[queen acorn]

i cant read undertale fan

[queen acorn]

also mark of prides is very worth

the range of the knight normally is so god awful

[tropic swan]

I just can't see it when you have so many other blue tools to use

[earnest drift]

mark of pride gives +25% range while most three notch charms give about +50% (strength, quick slash, shaman stone)

[still osprey]

Mark of Pride is a crutch

[tropic swan]

It's really not...

[queen acorn]

it is i swear

[earnest drift]

while +25% is normal for one blue slot (volt filament, snitch pick), so longclaw is worth it this time

[queen acorn]

i cant stand playing without mark of pride

its js so LITTLE range it cant just be me

[earnest drift]

every boss is designed around base nail length, you don't need to waste 3 notches on a measly +25%

[tropic swan]

I just can't understand it, there's never a moment in hollow knight where you are punished for spacing your attacks poorly in such a way

[queen acorn]

i

[still osprey]

That's 3 notches you could be using on shaman stone, strength or quick slash

[finite swift]

Craws underrated af look how cuteh this is

[queen acorn]

with this logic i should never use charms as all bosses are designed without charms

[smoky bridge]

Orbular

[earnest drift]

i would rather use soul catcher than mark of pride but everyone hates me for that

[still osprey]

Hell, maybe even spell twister and steady body

[tropic swan]

No, but you're not gaining anything of substance by having it and you're sacrificing so much

[queen acorn]

but mark of pride is good???

[exotic dome]

unserious creature

[still osprey]

Soul Catcher gets too much shit it's pretty ok

[earnest drift]

it's comfortable
not good

[finite swift]

Crawfather and his fami ly are so ctue

[queen acorn]

your gaining comfort???

[queen acorn]

this has to be hell

[earnest drift]

it's just not worth the notch cost, i'd maybe equip it for 2 notches

[tropic swan]

I just don't get it

[queen acorn]

mark of pride hate

i swear everyone was unanimous on how good it was

[sharp yacht]

why

[smoky bridge]

— me with longclaw not caring what people say, because I can hit this guy through the floor now.

[still osprey]

It's just unnecessary, if you get used to the range it's not worth running

[sharp yacht]

increases range but decreases atk speed.

[tropic swan]

I would use weaversong and sprintmaster using those notches any day

[queen acorn]

i

[still osprey]

It's a similar argument to Hunter pogo, you just need to get used to it

[queen acorn]

tahts different tho

if i dont like mark of pride i can switch it but i cant switch the hunter pogo

[still osprey]

Maybe not so much as you might think

[queen acorn]

i gotta use another crest to avoid it

[smoky bridge]

This is a lie.

[earnest drift]

there is one time i found mark of pride extremely useful

[tropic swan]

I guess that's my problem, I've gotten too used to the normal range that it's become completely useless

[smoky bridge]

You are lying.

[still osprey]

I know people that switch to other crests specifically for the pogo

[queen acorn]

this is eh

[earnest drift]

during pure vessel's soul spike from the ground attack, you can use mark of pride with steady body to hit pure vessel through the soul spikes

[tropic swan]

The hunter pogo is really not that bad...

[still osprey]

Once you get used to the hunter pogo, you'll realize it's really not necessary to use a different crest for it, it's a crutch

[queen acorn]

no its js

ive played with the mop buff so much the base range is js ASS!!!

it made me realize how much i miss without it

[sharp yacht]

its literally in the desc of Longclaw

[tropic swan]

i don't understand how you would start using it, decide it's worth wasting 3 slots over and keep using it for so long that you become dependent

That just doesn't check out for me

[queen acorn]

its not a waste though???

[tropic swan]

I'm very sure you're wrong

[queen acorn]

the range buff is so viable???

[still osprey]

idk what kind of description you're reading but it does not reduce attack speed

[tropic swan]

I just disagree
It's a crutch that's never actually useful if you get comfortable without it

[sharp yacht]

beh

man im tripping mb

[queen acorn]

like think mobile bosses like soul tyrant

im never landing a hit with a short ranged nail

yeah i suck but im fine with the mop comfort

[still osprey]

You can land many hits without mop

Whether you like it or not, it's a crutch

[queen acorn]

but its not?

[tropic swan]

I really think if you just tried to play without you'd realize how much it's holding you back

[queen acorn]

no cz i HAVE tried

also idk how yall are so persistant on this like multibinder

mop isnt detrimental to gameplay

[tropic swan]

It kind of is because you're using 3 whole slots that you could use anything else for

[queen acorn]

if im on a nail build what else am i gonna use

[tropic swan]

If it was 1 or 2 slots I'd understand because that fits on more builds but 3 is a lot

[tropic swan]

Nailmaster glory, steady body if you like it, sprintmaster, sharpshadow, fury, literally anything else

[queen acorn]

see i dont like half of those

like you gotta recall this is my playstile

style

[ruby agate]

wait silksong is out how are we glossing over the fact this game just exists LMAO

[ruby agate]

we're too calm about the existence of silksong like WHat do you mean this game is a game thats out and playable

[tropic swan]

You're completely right
I shouldn't be attacking you for this, and im sorry
It's just so hard for me to get it

[smoky bridge]

We've gotten over ir

With Bennet Foddy.

[tropic swan]

I still haven't

[ruby agate]

we shouldnt have lmao

[queen acorn]

h

[smoky bridge]

Nah you gotta get normal eventually.

I mean I'm not normal about some characters.

But overall

[ruby agate]

well, you gotta admit

silksong being out is crazy

[smoky bridge]

Shaking lace by the scruff in my teeth.

I love her so much.

[ruby agate]

like you have to admit we're being too normal about silksong just Existing

[tropic swan]

At the end of the day, like i said, its not affecting me
And I like worse charms, so i really can't talk

[tropic swan]

I'm currently trying to do an instakill run with mods, so don't expect me to be normal

[smoky bridge]

Sharp shadow?

[agile turtle]

When is Silksong dlc coming?

[ruby agate]

oh shit sea of sorrow is coming out soon team cherry released the last patch before sea of sorrow yesterday

[smoky bridge]

It's an interesting pick. It's a charm I really like, but the game is absolutely not designed with it in mind.

[ruby agate]

do you guys reckon they'd shadow drop sos

[smoky bridge]

So it sucks horribly in practice

[smoky bridge]

How long til April 1st?

[tropic swan]

That's actually the reason I don't like it
I remember vividly the breaking point for me was the platforming before traitor lord being so much harder with it

[ruby agate]

.. like 12 days

[earnest drift]

so why do witch and longclaw have anti synergy

[smoky bridge]

14

[ruby agate]

releasing sea of sorrow on april fools is a team cherry thing

[smoky bridge]

They should release the DLC on April 1st.

[ruby agate]

witch christ op enough

[tropic swan]

I'd wager 1 week of notice, tops

[smoky bridge]

And then when you launch the game. It's Bilewater.

[ruby agate]

crest

[smoky bridge]

Everything is Bilewater. The entire map. Bile watered

[ruby agate]

the sea of sorrow is actually made of muckmaggots

[smoky bridge]

That's why it's so sorrowful.

The muckmaggots are the sinners.

[agile turtle]

Do we know the release date of Sea of Sorrow?

[smoky bridge]

April 1st.
I'm just gonna start saying It.

Because funny.

[tropic swan]

Actually, it's the salty tears of people that gave up on the moorwing

[dusty vessel]

Hello everybody! Is there any analog of training room from godhome in hkss? I.e. place where you can retry all bosses from the game.

[ruby agate]

no but its soon cause team cherry released th last major patch before sea of sorrow

[smoky bridge]

I gave up on the moorwing.

[ruby agate]

only with mods

[sharp yacht]

i ran silksong on a 2017 laptop and i get 5 fps in native resolution

[smoky bridge]

And then skipped it with fleas by dejectedly looking around for stuff.

[ruby agate]

i didnt skip a SINGLE boss in my silksong playthrough

[dusty vessel]

Could you suggest such mods?

[smoky bridge]

Moorwing comes back.

[ruby agate]

pantheonofpharloom is a good one

[tropic swan]

I can't tell if you're being serious?

[wary drum]

Itll release on []th of the month of [] (date hidden for legal reasons)

[dusty vessel]

Thank you

[smoky bridge]

I am, I was dogshit during my first playthrough.

Specifically at fighting moorwing.

No other boss Gabee this amount of trouble.

[tropic swan]

Again, no malice but what did you struggle with?

[ruby agate]

the boss that took me the most attempts was like sister splinter or widow LMAO

[ruby agate]

im not kidding

[smoky bridge]

It was like hitting a brick wall at Mach ten, after beating early Beastfly second try.

[ruby agate]

sister spliter took me hours of pain and suffering and i have no clue why

[tropic swan]

I understand widow, but you'll need to explain sister splinter

[smoky bridge]

My face is apparently magnetic to the projectiles.

[arctic epoch]

do i say my catchphrase or do i choose to be a functional member of this community?

[tropic swan]

Can you not just... jump?

[smoky bridge]

I am incredibly dogshit at dodging its improved projectile attacks.

[ruby agate]

i didnt know when to hit her without being smacked in the face with contact damage

[tropic swan]

You mean the punches?

[smoky bridge]

When they arc back upwards, I'm almost always managing to find a way to dash into it.

Moorwing really is just. The boss I struggle on the most in act 1

[still osprey]

Silksong bosses ranked by which Silk Skill I think they'd use in combat

[ruby agate]

no basically
i hit her AFTER the punches
but while im in the air she like switches positions to be able to punch you and i get hit by that contact damage

[tropic swan]

Oh
I guess your problem is you were staying too far from it for too long?

[smoky bridge]

Upslash instead of side slashing.

[ruby agate]

why would crawfaher use threadstorm and not sharpdart

-#1 crawfather fan

[smoky bridge]

I dodge away to avoid it's stupid contact damage from just existing around.

[worthy lintel]

First Sinner's ridiculous /j

[tropic swan]

What do you mean?

[still osprey]

idk he flies a lot which gives him a great opportunity for an aoe like thread storm

[smoky bridge]

It moves very... Weirdly.

It tries to maintain distance, but it is wobbly as hell.

[still osprey]

Wait I forgot Second Sentinel literally has a parry

[smoky bridge]

And I just. My brain cannot handle the way Moorwing moves, so I get skittish about it just bumping into me (I am basically never hit by regular attacks, just the bumps)

[tropic swan]

That's something i never really had a problem with
In my experience, it never does anything strange as long as you don't

[still osprey]

changing them to cross stitch 🔥

[tropic swan]

You can really just stand still and jump, and it'll never do anything weird

[ruby agate]

comet i have a question regarding enemy rando (and architect in connection to that)

would it be possible to add bosses like cogwork dancers and raging conchfly since theyre extremely reliant on their arenas

[smoky bridge]

So when the second phase starts, some of the ranged attacks are sort of. Designed to catch you on the loop back.

[tropic swan]

I can understand this, though

[civic island]

Moorwing isnt that hard in my opinion

[worthy lintel]

Every boss is planned, I just have to modify them in order to make them work in Architect and SimpleEnemyRando

Every boss added to the mods so far has been modified, and I do plan on adding the others

[civic island]

It took three attempts to beat him

[ruby agate]

i see

would it be possible for you to make a like.. list on who's being worked on, who's next, etc

[civic island]

You kind of just need to pogo him when he dive bombs

[hexed sonnet]

i guess thats that then

[worthy lintel]

There is no specific planned order, none are currently being worked on as I'm working on another Architect-based mod

[ruby agate]

this scene made me tear up

[smoky bridge]

I also just don't particularly enjoy the bossfight.

[hexed sonnet]

i need to do the songclave wishboard quest and a fleas and i guess im done with act 2

[civic island]

Oh noooo

[hexed sonnet]

btw how do i do the brothers boss fight and shakra boss?

[civic island]

Chat do you think iselda and shakra are related?

[ruby agate]

forebrothers is in deep docks simple key area
you can now fight shakra in greymoor (where you fought moorwing)

[ruby agate]

no what

[civic island]

Why though

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer suckass

[civic island]

I need arguments

[hexed sonnet]

i need money for the simple key

[civic island]

Not really...

[arctic epoch]

design-wise, yes

[tropic swan]

I agree with you there, but i just think it's boring
Most of my moorwing fights just look like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438630341794336929/1438661517569425590/Hollow_Knight_Silksong_2025-11-13_17-46-34.mp4?ex=69bb2b72&is=69b9d9f2&hm=29df628e6d154a4d7625be3bab2200edcedb5a7c9dae012622d687be200447ff&

[civic island]

Well yeah

[ruby agate]

they arent related why would they be related

[hexed sonnet]

crests that i have ranked

1. wanderer
2. architect
3. reaper
4. hunter
5. beast

[civic island]

Hear me out

[ruby agate]

theres no "why not" its "why yes"

[ruby agate]

the best crest is architect

doesnt mean its any fun to use though

of couse if you spam 500 tools youll win

[civic island]

Iselda was a fighter before and she is with corniffer who is a map maker

[hexed sonnet]

the pogo sometimes pmo

[ruby agate]

its like you're not even playing the game you paid for

[smoky bridge]

?? Why is she so high up??

[tropic swan]

I have never disagreed more with a crest ranking

[civic island]

And shakra is also a fighter and a map maker

They are both very tall with similar features

[tropic swan]

What do you mean?

[hexed sonnet]

why

[smoky bridge]

It feels like she tends to hover lower for me?

What am I even possibly doing to make her be lower.

[tropic swan]

Your list is actually mine but inverted 😭

[smoky bridge]

... Is it that I keep trying to upslash the boss.

[tropic swan]

I don't know, maybe since I'm always jumping she never comes down that far?

[hexed sonnet]

💀

[tropic swan]

I thought that was how the fight was supposed to go ..

[ruby agate]

for me my favorite crest is the witch crest cause its SO FUN TO USE

[civic island]

Pogo on him its easier

[smoky bridge]

God damn this bad.
I don't remember why I blocked you but you deserve it.

[worthy lintel]

Cloakless and Cursed crests are the best ones because you don't need to worry about silly tool options, so much simpler

[tropic swan]

Well I'd probably put architect at the bottom, but besides that yes

@smoky bridge You should try my strategy, it would probably help if you were upslashing

[civic island]

Lmao

[ruby agate]

i already never use tools lmao

[smoky bridge]

I like architect a lot. Actually. The moveset, not even the spam. I barely use the reload. I just enjoy the gameplay of charging your attacks up.

[ruby agate]

theyre not fun to use imo it makes the already easy game even easier

[smoky bridge]

It's funny cause my two favourite crests (Beast, Architect) are polar opposite in playstyle.

[worthy lintel]

Cursed crest:

• Used to unlock another crest
• Requires skill to use but just get good
• Forces you not to heal allowing for more silk skills
• Forces you not to use silk skills allowing for more healing
• Forces you not to use tools saving your shell shards
• Unlocks a new ending
• Hates the void (based)

Cloakless crest:

• Required for one of the coolest sequences in the game (slab fight + red maiden)
• Obtained for free (just lose a fight)
• Requires skill but git gud
• No tools again (save your shell shards)

[tropic swan]

I couldn't disagree more
The architect crest moveset was the low point of my silksong experience

[smoky bridge]

Yeah it is very divisive.

[tropic swan]

Genuinely it might be my least favorite moveset I've ever used in a platformer

[smoky bridge]

Lots of people find it too slow.

I really like the charged pogo.

And the fact that you can charge the dash attack as well.

You basically get 3 charged attacks.
Also it has the best needle strike in the game.

[ruby agate]

cloakless makes you unlock a new crest too

double damage hunter (you deal double damage in the slab fight)

[tropic swan]

Those are the parts i hated about it
It's cool how you can have such different opinions on the same thing, though

[ruby agate]

for me its the fact that

[smoky bridge]

Fr?

[ruby agate]

its just a lazy way of playing the game

[smoky bridge]

Oh I don't spam tools.

I specifically like the needle moveset.

I use tools, sure but like. I mainly find excuses to use the needle art as much as possible.

[tropic swan]

I also hate the gimmick, i love silksong for its movement and it feels like the architect crest is designed to engage with that movement as little as possible

[ruby agate]

durrrr durrr durrr durrrr.... throw out voltvessels... durrr durr durr durr.. coglfy... durr durrr durrr durrrrrrrr.... poison damage.. durrrrrr durrrrrr.... reconstruct the tools... durrr.. i win... i didnt even move.. durrr :

[hexed sonnet]

wait why am i blocked 😭

[ruby agate]

durr

[tropic swan]

The needle art is really cool though i will give it that

[ruby agate]

its a very lazy way of playing the game you can win every boss without even fucking moving in 20 seconds with it

[tropic swan]

It would be really cool if we could mix and match crest attacks

[smoky bridge]

Poison is not even that good, why are people so hung up on Pollip pouch.

[hexed sonnet]

what did i even do to get blocked 🥲

[ruby agate]

i dunno dude i only used ONE TOOL in my entire playthough and it was conchcutters cause it was fun to use lmfao

[smoky bridge]

It's five fucking damage

[tropic swan]

I LOVE CONCHCUTTERS

[plucky onyx]

guys whats the best strat for cursed ending im in act 2 and got architects melody already and acces to vaults

[tropic swan]

ily

[smoky bridge]

Am not a dudeee.

But there are a lot of fun tools.

[tropic swan]

The clawline is your friend, abuse it

[smoky bridge]

Delver's drill feels so good.

[ruby agate]

i never used cogflies or anything or anything cause

if i paid 25 bucks for this game i wanna be the one playing it lmao

[plucky onyx]

ohw alr sounds good 👍

[hexed sonnet]

cogflies clutched groal for me

[tropic swan]

Good luck

[tropic swan]

I agree so much

[ruby agate]

this was also the only time i used pimpillos cause it was funny as fuck seeing him choke on them lmao

[smoky bridge]

they're decent at keeping annoying enemies away.

[hexed sonnet]

i rkoed him twice and had 1 health and i just sent the cogflies while i squatted in the water

[smoky bridge]

And they're also just kinda cute.

[tropic swan]

I already feel like the bosses are over too quickly and i really don't want them to be over even faster thanks to the fly

[ruby agate]

you have a needle
you can jump
You can sprint
you can play music
you can do ANYTHING ELSE

[tropic swan]

But they're nice for exploration

[ruby agate]

but you decide "Durr... throw out the cogflies... sit back and relax.."

[smoky bridge]

Or. I could have fun exploring.

[ruby agate]

i play games to have fun not to win them optimally this is why i only used cross stitch and conchcutters

[ruby agate]

i have more fun when a game is harder

[hexed sonnet]

why is shakra kicking my ass

[smoky bridge]

Doing the karak platforming whole the cogflies remove the stupid asshole gigaconchflies that make it annoying.

[tropic swan]

Well i also think the cross stitch is also kind of a crutch because it lets you not have to worry about dodging

But i still love it

[smoky bridge]

I do not know. You might have been spamming GIFs, ragebaiting, had a really stupid opinion, mentioned Harry Potter... I block people all the time for all sorts things.

But I did not give you a note, so probably nothing egregious.

[slender juniper]

Krabbio

[tropic swan]

Wait, what's wrong with harry potter?

[smoky bridge]

So... I'm unblocking you until you annoy me again.

[slender juniper]

Everything

[tropic swan]

???

[smoky bridge]

Creator is a massive bigoted bastard bitch.

Also it just sucks on a literary level.

[tropic swan]

Oh...

[smoky bridge]

It's Atlas Shrugged British wizard edition.

[tropic swan]

I guess nothing can be sacred anymore

[ruby dune]

Man

[slender juniper]

Once I said Harry Potter is a racist piece of media and I got called delusional

[smoky bridge]

Not Anne Frank. Anne Frank was the... The Jewish girl.

Ayn Ryand.

How did I mix them up??? What the FUCK

[tropic swan]

I never read harry potter, so I don't know what it's about really besides magic

[craggy gale]

so silksong dlc coming out soon huh

[smoky bridge]

It's the libertarian dream.
Also actually arguing against slavery is bad, says author of harry potter.

[tropic swan]

Excuse me?

[slender juniper]

There's a litterall asian character named named cho Chang and she existed for a kiss

[tropic swan]

2025 and we're arguing for slavery?

[smoky bridge]

And the... Gay people are werewolves (highly dangerous to children) metaphor.

[tropic swan]

What...

[tropic swan]

I see...

[plucky onyx]

hopefully

[craggy gale]

i mean they said no more patches till the dlc...

[smoky bridge]

And general misogyny anyways. Back to silksong which is far superior. Because gay people can make tornaders

[slender juniper]

Basically all non British characters have stereotypical names

[tropic swan]

Knowing team cherry, the day before summer ends

[plucky onyx]

idk still hope for sea of sorrow 🙏

[craggy gale]

oh hell nah

[slender juniper]

And there's one fucking black characters in the entirety of Hogwarts and he exists as comedic relief

[tropic swan]

I see

[slender juniper]

Bruh

[smoky bridge]

Kingsley shacklebolt?

[slender juniper]

He's not In Hogwarts

[tropic swan]

I'm a little curious if sea of sorrow is going to be similar to the coral tower or that scrapped pharloom bay area from the reveal trailers

[plucky onyx]

evo hunter best crest 🔥

[smoky bridge]

It's likely gonna be uuhh... Weaver focused.

Because of the submarine.

[tropic swan]

I'm confused, what do weavers have to do with submarines?

[slender juniper]

Krabbio is the best ship

[tropic swan]

Or is that the joke..

[plucky onyx]

https://giphy.com/gifs/adidas-hollow-knight-hornet-Bd8ZuJDjRR2AVxjZyp

[tropic swan]

I just realized I'm dyslexic

[plucky onyx]

[tropic swan]

I'm such an idiot

[near breach]

I wish there was a 3rd savage beastfly fight

[hearty wren]

And who are u
The proud lord said
That i must bow so low

[near breach]

I don't get how people hated that boss

It's genuinely so fun

Same with groal

[analog mist]

this cant be real

[near breach]

I hated trobbio tho

[near breach]

They're fun once you learn their patterns

[plucky onyx]

tbf i agree 😭

[analog mist]

remove the summons then sure

[near breach]

I really hope sea of sorrow is a godhome type thing

[near breach]

Nah that would make it too easy

[analog mist]

exactly

[near breach]

And make it too repetitive

[analog mist]

thats not good for any bossfight ever

[hexed sonnet]

jubilana is a scammer

fym a simple key costs 650

[smoky bridge]

No, it's a weaver tech submarine.

Weavers have a very distinctive "Precursor from the Alien franchise" tech design.

[slender juniper]

Thank God I don't have to save the green prince

[smoky bridge]

Right I have the spare key for him.

Forgot.

[ruby agate]

you monster

[slender juniper]

Yes I'm a speedruner

[ruby agate]

i respect you though since you hate reaper

[hexed sonnet]

i bought all 3 keys now if there's anything else that needs a key idk what ill do

[ruby agate]

sadly i cannot send the mist gif™ since tenor got shut down

if you know,, you kknow

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-sawtooth-circlet-sawtooth-circlet-gif-9051854759941621799

Still seems to be working fine

[ruby agate]

correct but discord doesnt support searching tenor gifs and i do not have the mist gif™ favorited

[hexed sonnet]

i didnt know deep docks was this big

fuck

[graceful oyster]

Search "grynne"

My one and only gif uploaded to tenor

Which still shows up

[ruby agate]

is this you

[graceful oyster]

No

Is this a local thing?

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-sawtooth-circlet-sawtooth-circlet-gif-9051854759941621799

[orchid locust]

i get your gif first

[graceful oyster]

Must be local

[subtle lynx]

5+ > 2

[ruby agate]

for some discord services, you get giphy, for some, you get klipy (what i have)

and if you havent updated discord, you get tenor still

[slender juniper]

Guys I made reaper actually good

[ruby agate]

impossible

[slender juniper]

I installed mods

[ruby agate]

ah

[slender juniper]

Made the bind effect better and made it do more damage

[ruby agate]

i hope team cherry does redesign reaper in a dlc

[slender juniper]

TC trying to not make an unbalanced game: impossible

[ruby agate]

its a metroidvania its impossible to make it perfectly balanced

[slender juniper]

false

[slender juniper]

Long pin is literally fucking worse than the straight pin

[ruby agate]

cool dont use it

some guy out there uses it

[slender juniper]

And beast crest/architects is a win button

[ruby agate]

ok dont use it

[slender juniper]

Yes cuz hunter is peak

[ruby agate]

okay

[distant prawn]

Last Judge is terrifying so that when i attempted it again after some Act 2 shenanigans it still made me give up

[hearty wren]

[hexed sonnet]

why is deep docks so hard

[upper meteor]

have you considered magma bell

[meager jolt]

Lava

[upper meteor]

that doesn't tell me much but i'm assuming your talking about lower deep docks

[hardy tangle]

slug

[upper meteor]

Dont get hit by the explosives and shitton of fire damage. Or if you struggle to do that, equip magma bell

[hexed sonnet]

the runback to the gauntlet behind the simple lock is so piss 😭

[azure path]

Hey guys I’m having trouble with lost Verdania but my question is if I have to get 100% on all the critters while I’m there or does it like automatically fill out my journal when I’m done? I just want all the beastie stuff

[azure path]

Which gauntlet?

[upper meteor]

||Pretty sure it autofills except for the two bosses.||

[still osprey]

It automatically fills out your journal once you're done, but there is an optional entry you can miss

[upper meteor]

^

[azure path]

There’s two…?

[upper meteor]

Correct!

[azure path]

I’m finna die

[upper meteor]

It's not too bad

[azure path]

If u say so

[upper meteor]

so long as you have some idea of what your doing

[azure path]

I have NO idea what I’m doing I don’t even know how I got to act 3

[upper meteor]

are you using clawline

in any capacity beyond getting to new areas and platforming

[hexed sonnet]

clawline jump

[hexed sonnet]

im trying to get to act 3 but first i want to finish act 2 bosses

[azure path]

Yeah I use claw line for a lot of stuff, even just to move faster and for doing damage :3

I love clawline into dash uurgh

[wind gate]

I like the environment of deep docks

does anyone else like deep docks for the environment

[strange knot]

I do

[hexed sonnet]

WE all love it

but goddamn is the runback to the 2nd gauntlet shite

[smoky bridge]

Isn't there a shortcut,m

?*

[white bison]

act 3 is easy

[smoky bridge]

Why do people call the Laquer quest the most difficult courier quest?

You have 4 whole hits you can tank.

And! There's no time limit, and most of the way there is just my fay

Which is extremely simple to do damageless.

[hexed sonnet]

beat the fore brothers

nice boss fight

[smoky bridge]

I kinda hate them.

The arena is so cramped...

[azure path]

I hate them with every fiber of my being

Not for any particular reason

I just really hate them

[smoky bridge]

And Beast pogo really doesn't like being restricted horizontally.

[azure path]

REAL

[smoky bridge]

Usually if there were actual walls you could pinball off them

But I am basically forced to switch off my favourite crest, or just accept the high risk of dunking my skull into lava if I try to pogo.

[azure path]

I’m not allowed to beast crest so I have to shut up and put on wanderer like a pussy bitch

I refuse to use witch in boss fights

That’s a gauntlet only tool for me

[earnest drift]

did they change it it was 3 when i did it

[azure path]

Yeah same

[earnest drift]

has anyone done laquer with no clawline, double jump or dashing

[azure path]

I think I would rather die

Ngl

[normal bramble]

It’s not even that bad tbh

[smoky bridge]

Huh maybe I'm misremembering it.

[normal bramble]

Its almost the same run as for the rashier through blasted steps

And then just a bit of extra time in Mount Fay

And there’s no time limit so like

[azure path]

The only reason I did any of the rashers that weren’t just supply drops was because I like Styx a lot

He’s funky and I kinda like him

[normal bramble]

I did that quest in act 3

And got absolutely jumpscared by the two void masses

Took a hit out of suprise but somehow managed to not ruin it

[smoky bridge]

I'm a freak I go through rasher is specifically the foode.

[hexed sonnet]

how do i open this

[normal bramble]

Act 3

[smoky bridge]

Act 3

[hexed sonnet]

alr

[earnest drift]

hit it really hard

[normal bramble]

Wait true

[hexed sonnet]

i need 2-3 fleas for act 3 and a songclave quest

[earnest drift]

deserved

so only four pilgrims from bonebottom survived act 3

[heavy reef]

||lace saved my ass||

[eager prism]

hunter build?

[earnest drift]

barbed bracelet

[toxic vigil]

Hi

[smoky bridge]

Did you save Zog

[smoky bridge]

What is Flick even cheesing about.

Is that just how his eyes look?

[toxic vigil]

Barbed bracelet is only really usefull for attempting no hits. Its never actually optimal other than no hits

[smoky bridge]

It cannot increase void damage.

[toxic vigil]

Yes it fucking can

[smoky bridge]

They fixed that?

Wack.
It used to be basically free in act 3

[broken seal]

Blues: Sawtooth Circlet, Volt Filament, Snitch Pick
Reds: Flintslate, Fleabrew (exchangeable for preference)
Yellows: Compass (if needed), Weighted Belt, Barbed Bracelet (can be traded for Magnetite Dice/something else)
Silk Skill: Cross Stitch/Sharpdart

[hardy tangle]

1 silk spell + 2 red tools + 2 blue tools + 2 yellow tools + 2 vesticrest

[toxic vigil]

Joni fan 😭

[subtle lynx]

Thread storm or pale nail
Multbinder inyector band weavelight
Compass, magnetite thing, grip
No red tools

[broken seal]

fuckass build bro 😭

[subtle lynx]

I first try every boss with this

[earnest drift]

oh neat

[toxic vigil]

Weavelight?!?

[earnest drift]

only took 6 months

[smoky bridge]

People who do not use red tools think they so tuff.

[earnest drift]

is this bait

[subtle lynx]

I'm tough, otherwise you wouldn't have said anything

[subtle lynx]

I'm not you bro

[broken seal]

good for platforming, fine for combat ig

[neat python]

if you have nkg you are just a terrible person in general

[broken seal]

i like using it sometimes

[neat python]

hate

[toxic vigil]

Its useless in combat.
Its good in platforming

[subtle lynx]

Nightmare king Grimm?

[broken seal]

useless is a stretch but it's definitely better for platforming by a lot

[subtle lynx]

It lets you use spells by doing nothing

It's even better with voided stuff

[toxic vigil]

Just.
Attack

[broken seal]

after waiting for way too many seconds 😭 just hit the mf

[subtle lynx]

Sometimes you're low hp and are just better running away

Not everything is a boss fight guys

[broken seal]

you might not be low hp if you used a better build

[toxic vigil]

Nah

[eager prism]

can anyone in dms say if my build is good before act 3?

[broken seal]

skill issue if you can't do nkg 😭

[broken seal]

you could just send it here lol

[earnest drift]

you forgot nkg

[subtle lynx]

Nkg is one of the easiest bosses to radiance

[earnest drift]

and radiance

[eager prism]

can i send photos??? or s type

[subtle lynx]

You can

[broken seal]

oh if you don't have perms then you can't send images lol oops

[eager prism]

lol

[heavy reef]

i will avenge biddle buddy

[broken seal]

sure you can go dms if you want to send an image

[exotic dome]

everyones last two is radiance and markoth man

[toxic vigil]

Me when nkg

[broken seal]

nkg is all about pattern recognition. once you know the fight it becomes very consistent

[toxic vigil]

I didn't

[broken seal]

just keep practicing lowkey, nkg becomes one of the easier lategame bosses once you understand the fight

[copper hedge]

i wonder how worse is DSSL 5.0 on hollow knight or silksong

[broken seal]

the easiest lategame boss is definitely failed champ tho 😭

[toxic vigil]

Fchamp is ez yeah

[subtle lynx]

Nuh uh

[toxic vigil]

Same with lost kin

[subtle lynx]

It's traitor lord

It's one of the only bosses I've beat radiant

[toxic vigil]

Traitor lord also free

[subtle lynx]

Definitely the first one

[broken seal]

i don't really count traitor lord as lategame even tho it really is lmao

he's easy yeah

i still think failed champ is easier tho

cuz it actively gives you infinite free soul and heals and once you stagger a single time you've won

[subtle lynx]

For traitor lord you don't have to do anything besides dashing when he does

You literally just need to learn one movement

And you've won

[broken seal]

until he does his hardest attack (walking forward)

yeah but failed champ is literally a fat soul totem lmao

[subtle lynx]

He doesn't do that if you stay close to him I think

[broken seal]

sometimes he decides to change his mind

[limpid steeple]

guys litteraly like shut up

[smoky bridge]

Mmm... No, you're just a bit neurotic.

[broken seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138261744599453716/1321380321920290868/togif.gif

[slender juniper]

I FAIELD THE MOTHERFUCKING BEASTFLY POGO RAAAAAAAAH

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/tokusatsu-kamen-rider-kamen-rider-den-o-emotional-relieved-gif-14782539

[broken seal]

Enter the breakable wall on the right of the room to refresh (there's also 60 free rosaries in there)

[slender juniper]

Ikr but I'd rather just restart

I finally got autosplitterer to work

[broken seal]

ah you're actually speedrunning lmao

[slender juniper]

I managed to get high halls gauntlet 4 times in a row

With just one crafting kit and sawtooth circlet

[broken seal]

fire

[faint hollow]

Wasn't sea of sorrows coming somewhere in like April like april 9?

[exotic cedar]

I don't think there's a certain release date

[broken seal]

it's #tomorrow

[toxic vigil]

No

[faint hollow]

I believe at the start it was set to be early april on their post they had the exact release date

I think it got delayed didn't it?

[toxic vigil]

No

Just lying

[faint hollow]

So what's the date gang

[hexed sonnet]

who's zog

[toxic vigil]

No one knows bruh

[earnest drift]

may 12

[arctic epoch]

i wanna do something new for a change

Sherma suckass

[orchid locust]

july 28th 3135

[toxic vigil]

Nkg suckass

[faint hollow]

Get this man a cancer treatment

[exotic dome]

tomorrow

[orchid locust]

it drops at 1855:30 sagittarius standard time

[faint hollow]

Yay 🎉

[broken seal]

holy overreaction wtf 💀

[faint hollow]

Haha

[orchid locust]

though if you’re in andromeda it’ll arrive around four years later cause tc only has offices in the milky way and it takes a bit for the signal to travel that far even at hyperspeed

[smoky bridge]

A warrior/hunter flea. She sells the locations of any missing fleas once you find her.

[exotic cedar]

Sea of tomorrow sorrow

[exotic dome]

sorrow of sea tomorrow

[broken seal]

chat today's silksongdle was easy asf

[woven wraith]

Sorrow?

[wary storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816306195500498974/1464468427644207114/caption.gif

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet is colorblind bc we see swift as blue despite sprint master being red/pink

[broken seal]

there's no evidence to suggest that swift is the same sprintmaster as described by the charm we buy from sly in hk

[cunning geode]

swift master charm being red but the actual swift master being blue is a sign he was once part of the grimm troupe but was freed

or silksong is prequel boom checkmate

[knotty vapor]

sea of sorrow but we fight the fucking Kraken

[unkempt steeple]

Silksong prequel theory is so funny cuz like even if the true ending didn't exist, would she really have never mentioned how she was kidnapped to an entirely different kingdom where she killed a higher being ?

[hexed sonnet]

oh yea i got her

[knotty vapor]

its so funny too because we literally see the fucking Shade Lord

[unkempt steeple]

Just the normal ending disproves that it's a prequel

Like did she just lose the god like powers she got from gms and went back to hallownest like nothing happened

[smoky bridge]

All endings do basically :v

[smoky bridge]

"I got better"

[cunning geode]

thing is, its not that the normal silksong ending shows that the first game couldnt follow it disproves silksong being a prequel, its that NO silksong ending could have the original game follow it

[smoky bridge]

Yeah, is what I'm saying.

[cunning geode]

if there wasnt that whole thing with the shade lord in the act 3 ending it would be possible to concoct a theory as to how its actually a prequel but only from that ending, but no

[smoky bridge]

Hornet either:
Dies
Becomes evil spider god
Re-encounters Void sibling.

[unkempt steeple]

Normal ending: no ahe could've returned to hallownest normally after that
Sister of the void: we see the knight and shade lord
Cursed ending: she literally dies

[arctic epoch]

of course, Knight's half a nano-second of "gotta aura farm" completely cuts off an entire branch of the lore discussion in the entire franchise, amazing

[cunning geode]

ikr

[smoky bridge]

Good. Prequel theory discourse would suck

[unkempt steeple]

Goat

[harsh yarrow]

the knight appearing at all just disproves that Silksong could be a prequel

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet had an entire character arc but she just forgot about it after coming back to hallownest

[harsh yarrow]

which, 10/10 choice Team Cherry, thank you for that

[smoky bridge]

Yeah.

[arctic epoch]

the knight only appear in Act 3

[smoky bridge]

?

[solid grail]

Maybe when skong Godhome came out there could be a possible avenue of canonicity again

[unkempt steeple]

Knight slop

[smoky bridge]

So?

[solid grail]

Which would make "all endings are canon" possible

[arctic epoch]

knight slop for real 🙏

[cunning geode]

for a while before silksong released i was of the mindset that not every HK ending needed to have silksong sequel as a possibility, even sealed siblings (though it still didnt rule out silksong sequel)
as long as 1 ending works its fine because its a video game and a nonlinear one to boot, so multiple outcomes for the timeline is fine with me

[unkempt steeple]

Unless team cherry makes another sequel that confirms which ending is most likely canon lol

[solid grail]

I mean

[unkempt steeple]

I'm ngl I don't see how any dlc could add more endings, the ones we have already feel like they show every outcome of hornet in pharloom

[arctic epoch]

well, the knight didn't appear in Act 1 or 2

there being no way to connect Silksong's ending toward HK's beginning

doesn't mean you can't connect HK's beginning to Silksong's ending

so it's an open-ended problem, which how unfortunately completely fall into TC's choice to do whatever they want about it

[smoky bridge]

Sealed siblings being possibly canon Is such a funny theory.

[solid grail]

If you choose ending 1 or 2 skong as canon then endings 1,3,4 of HK can be canon

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet just woke up and left

[cunning geode]

the vacation ending idk

[soft sparrow]

Unlocked the architect crest last night and unlocked all slots, I guess I'm home free now

[solid grail]

If you choose ending 3 of skong as canon then endings 3 or 4 is canon (with significant weight to 4)

[cunning geode]

theres a LOT, a LOT a LOT of discussion on that in this channel before silksong released

[smoky bridge]

it was always funny.

[unkempt steeple]

Sealed siblings theory: hornet is dreaming and pharloom isn't real

[cunning geode]

everyone who still held onto the idea of silksong prequel and everyone who just wasnt sure believed Sealed Siblings was proof silksong couldnt be a sequel

[smoky bridge]

And the the main reason some people thought it was gonna be a prequel.

[solid grail]

If an additional ending that involves hornet not being irrevocably altered and Ghost not appearing, then that could be a prequel and ending 2 HK can be canon

[smoky bridge]

But that would be stupid.

Like. Incredibly so.

[solid grail]

The theme is Hornet progressing to be less of godhood from ending 1 to TE, as opposed to Ghost being more of godhood so that could actually be a possibility

[arctic epoch]

isn't that just.. false logic?

[smoky bridge]

Does hornet just casually lose all the equipment other than the spineys, and never mentions anything ever?

[solid grail]

Currently sealed siblings is non-canon and skong is a sequel, but if Godhome ending for skong came out and doesn't involve Ghost appearing as SL and Hornet not being irrevocably more godded, then that could be canon, but currently it is not the case

[cunning geode]

well heres the thing

[tall surge]

FUCK YOU MEAN LUGOLI IS VOIDED

[cunning geode]

sealed siblings can still have silksong follow it

[unkempt steeple]

The choir bugs unleashed the infection on hallownest again just to capture hornet

[arctic epoch]

Hornet just fucking out-stamina Ghost til' the next divine vessel come to die

[solid grail]

Actually, on all occasions when we converse with Hornet, she talks about us-related things only

[arctic epoch]

for all that we know, TC will make the final ending to be incredibly more intricate and expansive compared to the tiny godhome that was godseeker

[solid grail]

And she could have the tools and choose not to use it when we see her

[unkempt steeple]

Idk how an ending like that would work with hornet's arc in silksong unless she decided to just leave pharloom for some reason

[solid grail]

She could restore Pharloom and then return since there is no solid timeframe for the games

[arctic epoch]

guard an incredibly valuable key to what might just change the entire fate of the land she call home
uses 1% of her power

yeah, Hornet is a fucking fraud 🙏

[solid grail]

Or since Hallownest don't have shell shards, she can't craft tools anymore

[runic atlas]

jokerpsa...

[smoky bridge]

Shell shards are just bits of shell. That's like saying there's no human skin in Europe.

[runic atlas]

Rare Kirb screenshot

[unkempt steeple]

European here! There isn't

[cunning geode]

yeah ik ha

[runic atlas]

I mean it doesn't really explain how TK is LoS

[arctic epoch]

can pick up random stone shards and magically know how to intricately craft it into immense tool capable of shreding the prime of hearts that guard an incredibly land still free of the higher being's haunted control
goes back to her home where she can grasp it in the palm of her hand
loses ability to craft

hornet is a fucking fraud 🙏 😭

[smoky bridge]

>proceeds to get her ass whopped twice for no reason.

[solid grail]

The infection might cause bugs' shell to detoriate and she have a shell shards shortage

[runic atlas]

What is we even talking about

[smoky bridge]

It's still a stupid theory that makes hornet a worse character in both games.

[earnest drift]

is anyone genuinely arguing that silksong is a prequel

[solid grail]

Nah

[arctic epoch]

has immense tool to harness power from the strongest of sources in the land of her very own ancestor
goes back to her homeland
loses abilities to harness power from fucking bugs

[smoky bridge]

And forces two of the ending to take part as if Silksong was a sequel, and one as if it was a prequel which is deranged

[solid grail]

It's just a thought experiment

[smoky bridge]

It's a stupid experiment.

[solid grail]

Currently Skong is a sequel

[smoky bridge]

"currently"

It's not gonna un-sequel.

[unkempt steeple]

I feel like hornet's arc in silksong requires silksong to have happened after hollow knight, it'd be very contrieved to make this whole thing have happened before hollow knight

[smoky bridge]

This is stupid I'm just no longer reacting.

[cunning geode]

👹

[unkempt steeple]

Even if we somehow got an ending where we don't see ghost and she didn't learn anything or get any god like powers, would she really just never mention silksong's events?

[cunning geode]

no because team cherry didnt finish making silksong yet

duh

👹

[earnest drift]

what happened is the knight first travelled from hallownest to pharloom to save hornet, then swam back to hallownest and found a shell that fit it perfectly
it used this shell to set out on its quest to kill the radiance, and even though the knight had saved hornet before, hornet decided it was too dangerous and decided to stop the knight

this is supported by hornet's dialogue here, where she says the knight has been to pharloom and swam in the void both in hallownest and in pharloom

hence, silksong is a prequel

[solid grail]

Within the constraints of Weaver Queen ascending Hornet, Twisted Child killing Hornet and SOTV ascending Ghost, Skong must be a sequel

[wary storm]

silksong is very sequel, unfortunately (i am midquel enjoyer)

[arctic epoch]

"Oh hey, i once fought a fucking god that can do exactly what's happening to my homeland"

"Hm, i shall provide no information and gets whooped twice without even trying"

[cunning geode]

"Somehow, the Void returned" was an interesting worldbuilding choice

[solid grail]

With the addition of a new ending, however, anything is possible

[cunning geode]

im not sure if it was the best choice

[earnest drift]

it's not like the void had a death scene in hollow knight

[solid grail]

Although I am in the camp of Shade Lord being the final Godhome boss

[cunning geode]

but now we know the void is fucking everywhere if you dig down far enough

[unkempt steeple]

Still seems very unlikely and very hard to do unless it includes her losing her memory or smth

[smoky bridge]

I see the Void as a necessary result of bug world.

[earnest drift]

that seemed kind of obvious

[raw pawn]

In your opinion is silksong harder or p5?

[cunning geode]

how was it obvious

[smoky bridge]

Like in silksong, or Noita.

[cunning geode]

there wasnt enough information in HK

[smoky bridge]

*Rain world

[solid grail]

Skong < P5 < Skong x2

[earnest drift]

there is no reason for hallownest in particular to have an endless sea of regrets of bugs flowing beneath it

[arctic epoch]

you mean the entirety of Silksong...?

[raw pawn]

Nah I mean to gms

[runic atlas]

This is because TC is bad at writing

[earnest drift]

unless you believed the "hallownest is the only kingdom to ever exist"

[runic atlas]

HK was an anomaly and should not be counted

[smoky bridge]

I mean. The void sea, the culture around it, spanning across the whole bottom of the map.

[cunning geode]

there still wasnt enough information for it to be "obvious" that the void existed elsewhere

[earnest drift]

silksong is better written than hollow knight though

[raw pawn]

Silksong is better written than silksong

[unkempt steeple]

Hollow knight is vibeslop

[runic atlas]

Sure

Hell no but sure

[earnest drift]

hollow knight is filled with plot holes and has mediocre characters

[smoky bridge]

I don't really think people realise how many characters are meant to parallel hornet in some way.

[arctic epoch]

Silksong went from 10/10 to 9/10 when i fucking see knight aura farm for legit 5 seconds 🙏

[runic atlas]

Silksong is filled with retcons 🥀

[unkempt steeple]

Dung defender becuse he plays with silksong

[raw pawn]

Let it aura farm gng

[smoky bridge]

Tbh there's only like one I noticed immediately.

And that is a contradiction type retcon

[earnest drift]

yeah because hollow knight is badly written so they had to remove some of hollow knight's bad story to make an actually good game

[runic atlas]

Which is?

[arctic epoch]

i don't like convenient last-minute escape route what do you expect?

[runic atlas]

🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

[solid grail]

To aurafarm is to vessel

[raw pawn]

Maybe SOS is actually soon

[unkempt steeple]

Honestly I wasn't attatched to hollow knight's lore enough to care

[exotic dome]

there is only one major retcon and it's very problematic

[earnest drift]

the main retcon in silksong is herrah being a weaver iirc

and weavers having difficulty reproducing which conflicts with some wildlife in deepnest

[unkempt steeple]

That sprintmasters are blue now

[solid grail]

Weaversong, anyone?

[raw pawn]

I wonder if there are silksong skins that change the effects of crests

[earnest drift]

the snail shamans were not retconned and anyone who says otherwise is extremely pedantic and fixated

[exotic dome]

exactly what i was talking about

[exotic dome]

why

how is it pedantic to say that

[unkempt steeple]

The way hornet talks about lace seems to imply only the weaverlings come from weaversong

[smoky bridge]

Vespa said she had no hand in perpetuation of Hallownest, and didn't particularly care.

Meanwhile the hive apparently trained and give hornet a knife, while hornet plays a pretty significantly part in the Perpetuation of Hallownest. Either Vespa is lying, or being stupid.

[cunning geode]

well now we know the abyss wasnt just a thing in that part of the world and the hollow knight planet(?) is like this

[runic atlas]

If you think Snail Shamans weren't retconned you genuinely need to learn to read

[solid grail]

Sprintmaster is just a title, that particular HK sprintmaster is purple and Swift is blue

[raw pawn]

Wtf does retconned mean?

[runic atlas]

Not even an insult, it's written explicitly

[earnest drift]

it's taking a specific interpretation of somewhat vague wording and presenting it as the only possible presentation and completely ignoring occam's razor

[storm basin]

i lowkey didnt pay attention to lore i just killed everyone

[smoky bridge]

The snail shaman is lying her ass off constantly why are we taking her at her word tho...

[runic atlas]

Not really vague at all??

[earnest drift]

apparently gaining two void spells from two shamans doesn't mean the shamans were playing with void at all

[solid grail]

Changing the lore of a previous iteration to fit the new context

[raw pawn]

Lemme go search what retconned mean

[runic atlas]

You don't even know the shaman's actual gender I don't think you're a reputable source either

[unkempt steeple]

I think it's just odd to make to make only one other bug have the sprintmaster title and then make him colored after the dashmaster charm instead

[runic atlas]

Okay so you really don't know how to read

[cunning geode]

demoted for petty insults

[arctic epoch]

peak demotion

[unkempt steeple]

Watch us see a dashmaster in silksong and he's RED

[runic atlas]

The shaman explicitly said the reason the spells are void is because we infused our own void in it

[arctic epoch]

i know a certain mf who's red and move a lot

[raw pawn]

Oooh

[runic atlas]

It's not petty insults it's just true

[arctic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-trobbio-dramatic-death-gif-4926813514533061211

[runic atlas]

And joker has said worse for sure

[unkempt steeple]

GOAT

[earnest drift]

why would we need to go to a shaman corpse to infuse void if the shamans aren't involved

[arctic epoch]

that mf is also purple btw...

[exotic dome]

it's a retcon if narrative changes in a contradicting way

[arctic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-silksong-tormented-trobbio-gif-7740935322252153957

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-scout-scout-meet-the-team-gif-10074234861167966817

[smoky bridge]

It is not particularly easy to tell with some of the characters, but go off I guess.

[cunning geode]

he gets a pass

[storm basin]

i say we add a dash master to silksong and make him rainbow to solve the conflict

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet has some nerve saying trobbio is a weirdo for killing people when she killed alot of her siblings

[solid grail]

Make him black and white

[earnest drift]

silksong did retcon some of hollow knight but it's worth it for a sensible narrative and actually compelling characters instead of a bunch of aura farmers

[runic atlas]

I wasn't being serious 🥀🥀🥀

[raw pawn]

Does he genuinely just spawn lights out of his body?

[unkempt steeple]

He uses mirrors

[smoky bridge]

He likely just . Yeah, uses the mirror somehow

[arctic epoch]

how much you wanna bet bro managed to aspire some bugs to not get haunted and just stay there positioning his light beams whenever he queue it?

[raw pawn]

Oh wait you are right lmao

[solid grail]

He uses the Radiance beams but purple

[storm basin]

where is your pfp from it looks cool

[cunning geode]

https://www.deviantart.com/wormboyx/art/NECROPSY-OBLIVION-938988597

[raw pawn]

Trobbio is the radiance theory /j

[earnest drift]

the knight is an inconsistently characterised mary sue

[storm basin]

Thank you wombat

[unkempt steeple]

He's even more bright

[cunning geode]

you are very welcome

[solid grail]

Absolute Trobbio

[arctic epoch]

Trobbio slams Radiance

[solid grail]

|Trobbio|

[unkempt steeple]

Trobbio is the secret act 4 boss

[earnest drift]

radiance is the most overrated villain i've ever seen except for maybe thanos mcu

[distant prawn]

i can never forget the spoiler of Garmond and Zaza

[unkempt steeple]

Every dlc should have a new trobbio fight

[distant prawn]

speaking of trobbio

how to fight that guy

[unkempt steeple]

Wdym

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[raw pawn]

Absolute Trobbio is gonna be at the end of the pantheon of trobbio (he named the pantheon)

[unkempt steeple]

Tormented trobbio?

[earnest drift]

list of silksong retcons:
herrah being a weaver
weavers having difficulty reproducing
what else

[distant prawn]

idk where to fight him

i only saw his poster

[distant prawn]

those 2 aint that bad

[unkempt steeple]

You need to fight the enternace to his room in vaults

[earnest drift]

snail shamans were not a retcon

[smoky bridge]

I'd say the Vespa "having no input into the kingdom"

[arctic epoch]

Trobbio
Tormented Trobbio
Terrified Tormented Trobbio
Toxic Terrified Tormented Trobbio
Tinted Toxic Terrified Tormented Trobbio

Tinted Toxic Terrified Tormented Trobbio The Third

[earnest drift]

lifeblood isn't a retcon either, lifeseeds look like lightseeds

[solid grail]

Demented Trobbio: Trobbio hallucinates more Trobbios to fight Hornet

[unkempt steeple]

It has the same sign outside

[cunning geode]

the vespa retcon retcon was fun

[lucid trellis]

...---... tommorow

[earnest drift]

where did hk say this

[distant prawn]

where vault

[smoky bridge]

I actually agree that shaman's are not really retconned.

[distant prawn]

Vespa retcon was needed

[smoky bridge]

She talks about it.

[unkempt steeple]

Whispering vaults

[exotic dome]

they expanded upon the lifeblood lore, nothing is bad about that

[earnest drift]

btw where did the idea of hornet being trained by vespa first come from? that was before silksong

[distant prawn]

How? i alr got into Underworks/Whiteward and Cogwork Core

[solid grail]

Unreleased stuff I think

[exotic dome]

the hive was near deepnest before release

then they changed it

[arctic epoch]

Silksong should have took AT THE VERY LEAST 3 more years in the making

[raw pawn]

The person who theorized that vespa trained hornet is probably very happy now

[unkempt steeple]

You need to go to the enterance to the right of cogwork core, the one before the one on the top

[exotic dome]

they also talked about the "child of 3 queens" thing

[lucid trellis]

how was the weaver thing a retcon

[earnest drift]

hang on this doesn't seem contradictory

[distant prawn]

that door is locked

[smoky bridge]

They planned initially for her to be "the daughter of three kingdoms" basically, and then simplified it.

[lucid trellis]

grey prince zote type shit

[unkempt steeple]

You need to do the platforming under it

And then open it on the other side

[earnest drift]

herrah is originally said to be a "common beast" and there are things called "little weavers" who refer to herrah as their family iirc

[smoky bridge]

It is tho. Hornet takes a major part on perpetuation of the kingdom

How you Gon train and arm "the sentinel of Hallownest" and then act like you don't know nobody.

[distant prawn]

do you have a yt vid for it?

[raw pawn]

Is the hive queen vespa boss mod in cogfly wait

[distant prawn]

i havent finished act 2 but like

[lucid trellis]

yeah... shes called a beast by the bugs of hallownest

[earnest drift]

was vespa the one who instructed hornet to play the role of protector? i thought that was something she picked up independent of anyone else

[distant prawn]

Shes a foreigner

[exotic dome]

i hope they're plannnig to bring back vespa boss fight

[distant prawn]

Shouldve been in Pantheon of Hallownest

[smoky bridge]

No, no, the Midwife never refers to Herrah as in relation to weavers.

[distant prawn]

would be crazy for a Hallownest Boss Rush on Silksong's Godhome

[smoky bridge]

She also calls her a "common beast"

[raw pawn]

Probably keeping it until the pantheons along with shakra's master

[lucid trellis]

oh shit fr

[distant prawn]

i hope it aint elder hu

[earnest drift]

so herrah is a weaver, the little weavers don't make sense, vespa "had no part in perpetuating hallownest"
what other retcons?

[strange knot]

Chat should I speedrun sk or play Celeste rn

[lucid trellis]

I never met midwife in my play through

[smoky bridge]

That's probably the main retcon/contradiction.

[distant prawn]

cleste

[distant prawn]

she was creepy

[solid grail]

Celeste

[smoky bridge]

Creppy

[upbeat thorn]

should i finish hk first then play sk?

[unkempt steeple]

Yes

[lucid trellis]

yes

[strange knot]

Ye

[solid grail]

Y

[distant prawn]

absolutely

[smoky bridge]

Do whatever you want forever.

[earnest drift]

is that all for the retcons

[upbeat thorn]

oke thx chat

[raw pawn]

Nom nom nom

[distant prawn]

But i recommend beating Radiance

[smoky bridge]

I mean. People just use the word retcon wrong..

[earnest drift]

retcons aren't good but it was worth it for what we got

[upbeat thorn]

i can't even beat mantis lord 😭

[solid grail]

Get until P4 and then go to skong

[strange knot]

Ok I now must suffer doing 3c

[smoky bridge]

:(

Any addition that recontextualises old shit is a retcon.

[distant prawn]

dawwgggg how many masks do you got, ping me in #hk-discussion

[smoky bridge]

Not every retcon is a contradictory one.

[raw pawn]

I actually didn't know wtf that word meant until now lmao

[earnest drift]

did herrah really tell vespa about grand mother silk and everything that happened in pharloom? she must have been very trusting

[smoky bridge]

Retroactive continuity's.

[earnest drift]

why do people want an excuse to call sk badly written

[lucid trellis]

i doubt it

[unkempt steeple]

Did she tell vespa that she her sisters enslaved and colonized pharloom too

[raw pawn]

Why does lace want an excuse to call HK badly written?

[earnest drift]

it would've been a biased retelling ofc

[harsh yarrow]

parts are, its not perfect

[earnest drift]

why didn't pale king send the hollow knight away from hallownest

[smoky bridge]

Do you think someone seeking refuge from an angry god would be like "BTW, I did crimes"

[knotty vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm8u7w8KBWM
do they fit, chat?

[lucid trellis]

... fucking where

[harsh yarrow]

its writing is probably the weakest point of the game, least in act 3
Its gameplay is just better than HK on every point

[smoky bridge]

That's the wrong question but ok. :v

[earnest drift]

out in the wasteland so the infection can't reach hallownest

don't even need dreamers just put them in a steel box

[unkempt steeple]

No which is why I don't feel bad for herrah or any weavers

[exotic dome]

tc's worldbuilding is better than their narrative

[raw pawn]

Is there any good weaver in this game other than herrah and hornet

[solid grail]

If THK dies then Radiance can just escape

It is easy to die in the wastes

[smoky bridge]

I mean Herrah clearly got better.

[earnest drift]

then put up whatever bindings kept them alive in the black egg

[distant prawn]

e

[earnest drift]

just do it outside of hallownest

[solid grail]

The Swift Step weaver and Cindril

[unkempt steeple]

Maybe but she did really want hornet to save pharloom or did she just want to protect her daughter from gms

[smoky bridge]

Arguably Eva?

[raw pawn]

Oh wait does Eva count as a weaver?

[unkempt steeple]

Eva ain't a weaver

[smoky bridge]

She's not but she is "child of weavers'

She's like... The basement child they never let out but.

[unkempt steeple]

I think she's something like a silk being

[earnest drift]

herrah is unlikely to have been good, she's a first generation weaver and likely worked on the citadel