sk-discussion

[exotic cedar]

Twisted bud shouldnt be that hidden, billions must experience rite of rebirth

[strange knot]

At least decent lace 1

[minor sparrow]

I think it's intentional that you're supposed to do Jubliana's quest to find it, but then why put purity wreath there

[subtle lynx]

But it is not

[sharp slate]

This flea legitmantly made me crash out

[sharp slate]

I think so as well, im glad they did it

[subtle lynx]

Do people not explore in an exploration game or what

How do you know find twisted bud

[limber swallow]

How are people feeling about Witch Crest nowadays

[minor sparrow]

Eh, it's in a pretty weird wall in whispering vaults

[exotic cedar]

Exploration is cool unless its behind some unseeable wall

[minor sparrow]

And no quest to lead you to it

[exotic dome]

twisted bud is not that bad

[sharp slate]

cool tech, kinda bad still, high skill ceiling, mid reward, cool bind'

[odd hull]

It's pretty fun

[minor sparrow]

Though it is also in the same area as the outside flea so

[exotic dome]

all hidden areas except this shit is valid imo

[limber swallow]

Interesting, what about the reward is mid

[subtle lynx]

Dude breakable walls are the exploration in this game, every other area is shown in the map

[stable pilot]

hello

[exotic dome]

hi

[sharp slate]

not gonna lie i missed the whiteward one for a while

[subtle lynx]

It has a light beam right there

[exotic cedar]

If breakable walls are the main part of exploring in team cherry games, then i shouldnt play anymore team cherry games

[light swan]

crazy awesome

[sharp slate]

that one is my fault ik

[subtle lynx]

Probably

[light swan]

weak but crazy awesome

[subtle lynx]

Team cherry themselves said they are fine with people not finding stuff

[limber swallow]

I’m still not seeing what makes it weak 🤔

[minor sparrow]

I think one of the one's that tripped me up was the flea in bilewater for some reason

[light swan]

everything else is stronger

[spice cargo]

theres a mod to show them all, and they have a visual indicator, and you can just get used to smacking walls

[limber swallow]

I doubt Reaper is

[minor sparrow]

I don't remember why but it was like one of the last 3 I collected

[subtle lynx]

I always need to buy the map to find it, same with the flea in mount fay

Those 2 are the only ones I missed

[spice cargo]

the flea in mount fay can be gotten while doing Mount fay

[sharp slate]

oh yea with all the traps

[spice cargo]

ome of the bile water ones are available in act 1

[subtle lynx]

Yeah but it is very well hidden

[spice cargo]

the other yeah is hard to find

[subtle lynx]

Not talking about that one

[light swan]

witch is still outclassed by 5 other crests :D

[limber swallow]

Interesting, and what’s that based on? Kill times for bosses?

[spice cargo]

what

[exotic dome]

hardest flea to find for me was the one on the right of songclave

[light swan]

was this meant to reply to one of my messages

[limber swallow]

Oh I misread their message

But yeah essentially

[spice cargo]

yeah i wouldnt have found that without googling

also the exhaust organ one

[exotic cedar]

I don't want to get used to smacking the walls, i wanna experince the atmosphere

[light swan]

for referenc witch has to do this much just to match up with wanderer

[exotic cedar]

Does mio has stuff behind very hidden walls

[light swan]

wanderer is outclassed by a lot of other crests too

[spice cargo]

tutotirrla please

[strange knot]

First try fourth chorus skip healless

[spice cargo]

is this iust m1 clawline m1?

[light swan]

theres very little

[exotic cedar]

That's good

[light swan]

dash attack > clawline cancel > dash away > reverse dash attack > repeat

[limber swallow]

Sure, cool, but this isn’t the best thing to draw data from

[spice cargo]

how do you clawline cancel

[light swan]

@spice cargo 3:13

[subtle lynx]

Cause it is not a fighting crest

[light swan]

or just watch the whole video

[limber swallow]

Boss/arena killtimes are what I’m looking for here

[light swan]

kill times arent accurate

[limber swallow]

Solely using dps is even less so

[light swan]

but my point still comes across

[light swan]

because in actual combat, wanderer definitely beats this out

[spice cargo]

is the crest really that good?

witcher

[limber swallow]

Then what are the kill times

[light swan]

fundamentally wanderer will be able to hit much more and much easily compared to the video

and therefore it deals much more damage

[limber swallow]

😭

[tight viper]

Only problem with that is the fact that wanderer is boring

[limber swallow]

Avoiding the question at all costs

[light swan]

because i dont have the killtimes because theyre innacurate

either way everythings mostly around 40 seconds from my experience

[limber swallow]

They’re more of a practical test than just dps

[light swan]

its better to fundamentally think abotu things

are yoyu reading my messages lol

[spice cargo]

should I try witchers for act 3

[limber swallow]

I am but they’re def a bit misguided

[strange knot]

Crawskip 2nd try!

[light swan]

explain the flaw in my logic

[exotic cedar]

Are you doing normal ending or true ending

[heavy arch]

#sk-help message

[limber swallow]

Something like this doesn’t account for the variables in play during, say, bosses or arenas

[strange knot]

Any%

[sharp slate]

I see people say this but i still dont fully believe that

[light swan]

and im explaining why it doesnt account for it

[spice cargo]

you didnt even give us 5 sec

[limber swallow]

Which makes them less realistic representation of crest usefulness

[sharp slate]

I have yet to see people push to beat my speedkills with other crests, sure architect has higher burst, and hunters theorically is better, but i have yet to see people pull it off

[austere lotus]

Is talking about ||GMS|| considered a spoiler

[graceful oyster]

At last you have the vision to find my house

[sharp slate]

spoilers are fine in this chat

[exotic cedar]

No need to spoiler anything here

[limber swallow]

Oh, do you have your killtimes on hand?

[exotic cedar]

By spoiler i mean || thing

[austere lotus]

I've talked about it before on here but it's a really fun fight that's extremely disappointing for me due to how easy it is

[sharp slate]

only for some bosses, not many people are doing speed kills though is a problem

[austere lotus]

Oh ok

[tight viper]

Sharpdart spam is pretty damn fast

And beast is beast

[limber swallow]

I’d appreciate if you could DM them to me, I don’t particularly care if they aren’t like, 100% optimal

[exotic cedar]

They prob made it easy because of the cursed crest achivement

[sharp slate]

beast is good but i think its depedant on boss imo which crests is faster

some crests will be better at certain bosses

[austere lotus]

Like, it's such a fun boss fight, especially with how it builds off the radiance. My issue is that the fight itself doesn't need to be constantly redone to get a true ending a la hollow knight

[light swan]

it is boss dependent 100%

[sharp slate]

beast will probably be fastest at seth i theorize

[tight viper]

That’s just a given

[limber swallow]

That’s true, which is smth that killtimes actually account for

[tight viper]

You can’t sharpdart spam Nyleth, for example

[austere lotus]

Then they should have done that some other way, because for how heavily GMS gets hyped up she's an absolute pushover in practice and it's heartbreaking

[limber swallow]

Instead of saying “this crest better cause higher DPS”, you can say “this crest better because it has low killtimes on many bosses”

[austere lotus]

She's such a fun fight too

[light swan]

id say actually understanding the crest and where it's good and where it isnt good and why is much better than that

[limber swallow]

There’s like, any semblance of nuance

[strange knot]

I died to widow

Btw ash is 26 minutes good time for any% cling grip

Or at least ok

[austere lotus]

Cos I'd argue weakening the primary antagonist of the game for an optional ending most players likely won't do is a bit silly

In that case why not just weaken her stats if you reach her while infested

[sharp slate]

I think so my cling grip exit was 23:58

[limber swallow]

That was an issue in HK as well, but they also work well story-wise in both games imo

[austere lotus]

Granted I have yet to find the twisted bud so

[strange knot]

Oh so not that bad

[austere lotus]

HK is excusable because you need to fight him every time you do the radiance

[sharp slate]

These aren't optimized, but they are using pantheon of pharloom mod, so some health might be wrong, i would need to redo it with godhome mod
pantheon mod adjusts health for some of the lower hp bosses @sharp slate

[strange knot]

For a first run

[austere lotus]

So for as disappointing as it is on a first playthrough, it at least makes sense once you have voidheart

[kindred willow]

POV: you're just ten seconds too late to deliver the courier's rash

[light swan]

i can tell you’re reading nothing im saying at all

[limber swallow]

I am

I just disagree with your stance here

[kindred willow]

And now it's back to Couriers Tipp and Pill or whatever their names are, for hopefully the last time

[toxic vigil]

hi

[sharp slate]

I do think once a godhome releases we will see more optimized uses for crests in certain bosses

[limber swallow]

Interesting, if you have the time I would be interested in seeing like, a spreadsheet of bosses with what crests have their fastest kill time, or even kill times in lower-level play (less tech) since that’s a very significant part of a crest

[hollow swallow]

I feel like we've been here before xd

[kindred willow]

Okay I am playing Run Boy Run as I re-attempt this delivery

Listening to Run Boy Run while playing Silksong will get my adrenaline up for sure

[limber swallow]

The skill ceiling isn’t the only thing that matters, after all.

[sharp slate]

It would take a lot of work to do something like that but it would be intresting, i honestly dont know other people doing speed kills on other crests tbh

i would love to see optimized shaman crest, im very curious about it

[austere lotus]

Did the wider HK community really care what was meta pre pantheons

[limber swallow]

In particular I think a lot of people in this higher level of play know that Sawtooth Circlet does really good damage and fail to recognize that an extremely minute part of the player base actually use it in that optimal way

[light swan]

in a vacuum, witch can deal more damage than wanderer

but in an actual bossfight with moving bosses and airborne attacks and stuff, wanderer will be able to pull off it’s damage much more

therefore wanderer is able to pull off the dps that witch barely reaches much more easily

[limber swallow]

And I’d love to see kill times to prove this

[crisp pier]

No one likes savage beastfly

[sharp slate]

Sadly I wasn't around, ik they did have spamtheon adjacent mod back then

[light swan]

at the very peak of witch’s skill ceiling it barely reaches wanderer’s skill floor

[limber swallow]

I don’t doubt you, but sources are necessary here

[hushed girder]

Just got to blasted steps on steel soul. Is there anything important that I can get before last judge?

[strange knot]

6 masks

[exotic cedar]

Fractured mask, magma bell, one more mask

[sharp slate]

You can get dice i guess if you want

[limber swallow]

This question is easier to answer when we know what you have

[graceful oyster]

It's a singleplayer video game
No, sources are not required

[limber swallow]

I disagree

[graceful oyster]

You'll never be able to get a solid answer

[hushed girder]

if I can send images I would but I can name stuff I have so far

[light swan]

so does raw logic require sources now, do i need to prove that it’s possible to attack midair

i guess bruh

[hushed girder]

I might lowkey go down to worm ways and get the blue things

[limber swallow]

Raw logic that relies on me just trusting you entirely

[hushed girder]

But idk if I can or not

[limber swallow]

With killtimes, and especially video evidence I can be sure that you’re actually right and I don’t go around saying shit that’s wrong based on your statements

[graceful oyster]

Okay now you have to trust both me and Illusion because I agree

[hushed girder]

Where’s fractured mask again?

[lavish apex]

illusion knows tech

[jolly barn]

@woeful plume when did u defit phantom

[lavish apex]

he's tested this stuff

[hushed girder]

Hunters march right?

[limber swallow]

And if he knows that wanderer kills bosses faster, it shouldn’t be hard for him to provide kill times

[exotic cedar]

Hunters march yes, from a vendor

[graceful oyster]

He/we don't need to

[fiery burrow]

shairpin is so fun

[graceful oyster]

That's just silly

[kindred willow]

Okay that wasn't half bad

[lavish apex]

shairpin is peak

[graceful oyster]

True but it's like
Broken

[opaque sigil]

it's not a logical leap from higher dps to faster kills

[kindred willow]

I got the Courier's Rasher Now

[graceful oyster]

Very fun, too fun

[hushed girder]

Sweet. Am I able to get to sinners road as well?

[limber swallow]

Quantitative data is important

[kindred willow]

And I even crashed into a wall once

[austere lotus]

Far fields, in the ant area

[graceful oyster]

This is a singleplayer video game it don't matter

[fiery burrow]

just make it a regular upgrade then smh

[sharp slate]

Silksong doesnt boil down to be that simple

[lavish apex]

i think it's completely fine if you can't pull off crits consistently which is quite hard to do

[austere lotus]

I think hunters march is technically its own sub area but far fields is where you'll wanna go first

[hushed girder]

Okay well I’ll do prep work for now thanks

[limber swallow]

Balance is essential in any game regardless of its competitive nature

[kindred willow]

🎶 🎶 🎶
Run boy run,
🎶 🎶 🎶
This game is not meant for you
🎶 🎶 🎶
Run boy run,
🎶 🎶 🎶
They're trying to stop you...

(me when I do Courier's Rash)

[lavish apex]

prepatch objectively it was extremely broken

if you paired it with leecher it just invalidated the entire game

[fiery burrow]

Eh

[sharp slate]

Shaman has dps when you are casting silk skills but ehst about starting on 0 silk or how fast you regain it ect.

[fiery burrow]

Depends on the game imo

[sharp slate]

Alot of factors

[toxic vigil]

why did they decide to make wanderer the only crest to have 2 silk skills / red tools total

[limber swallow]

Could you give an example?

I don’t really disagree here but I can’t think of any game where balance isn’t important

[mental snow]

That first playthrough energy goes crazy lmao

The area wasn't even that bad for me the 2nd time around

This IS me btw

Crashing the fuck out on my first playthrough

[exotic cedar]

You can get to sinners road yes, but idk what you would do in tbere though

[limber swallow]

But regardless I think balance is extremely important in Silksong

[sharp slate]

Fair its an annoying area

[limber swallow]

One of the major flaws of the first game was its charm balance, after all

[bitter socket]

I love how impossible some of bile water feels on the first play though, but its really fun on the second one imo

[lavish apex]

major is an interesting word

[bitter socket]

I mean the amount unbreakable str dominated was crazy

[fiery burrow]

My goat echo point nova

[limber swallow]

Shit, I can’t really get much from that

I have never heard of that game before

[mental acorn]

what if needle sharpened gets randomized to silkeater tho? (idk how randomizers work) youll just have no needle

[limber swallow]

What would you say are its major flaws?

[exotic dome]

is that the slubberlog mask shard room

[fiery burrow]

I do think balance is important for silksong

[unkempt steeple]

I almost lost my steel soul to that room

had to save scum

[fiery burrow]

I just wawnted to plug my goat where any and all builds are broken

[unkempt steeple]

weird there's only one room with those jumping muckmaggots tho

[limber swallow]

That’s… arguably balanced? 😭

[exotic dome]

thankfully

[lavish apex]

not to overglaze hk1 but none for me

[limber swallow]

I’m not sure how I would describe that lmfao

[exotic dome]

existence of dream warriors

[bitter socket]

If everything's good, nothings unviable

[lavish apex]

like just straight up
i have some issues with individual pieces of content but in terms of general large experience dampening flaws i just don't really find any

[exotic dome]

hk1 doesn't really have major flaws

[limber swallow]

Alright, well personally I find that charm balance is a major flaw as there are dozens of extremely interesting charm loadouts that are made entirely irrelevant because they lack viability in any way

[bitter socket]

Charm balancing

[limber swallow]

And sometimes actively hurt you

[exotic dome]

ok that could be a major flaw

[lavish apex]

"lack viability in any way" i think is projecting an expectation that the game is harder than it is

[limber swallow]

Summoner builds have potential for being very interesting but they are god awful

[lavish apex]

you can use whatever you want and do fine for the vast majority of content even as someone with middling skill

[scarlet karma]

it’s too cheap

[bitter socket]

Take silksong, which almost hits the nail on its head with balancing. Nothings really dominating there there

[limber swallow]

A game being easy (which hollow knight generally is not) doesn’t mean that build viability is unimportant

[bitter socket]

Additionally i think some NERFS to major charms would do good.

[lavish apex]

i'm not contesting that some aren't just way stronger than others but i think people exaggerate that as a problem very hard

[limber swallow]

Even if you disagree with the last sentence here, Silksong is still a huge jump in quality when it comes to balancing

[limber swallow]

I agree, hell I even have a tier list and full doc for charm rebalances

[bitter socket]

It has alot of flaws in the balancing, but look at hollow knight asan example, I agree but its much better with balancing imo

[graceful oyster]

That's weird because I see a lot of my friends have fun beating later game bosses with such "not viable" builds

[limber swallow]

Would they still have fun if they were viable

[graceful oyster]

Driving in my car

[graceful oyster]

They are viable
That's why they used them

[lavish apex]

the notch system does well enough at making tradeoffs feel more fair for most of the game imo. charm dominance is a bigger factor once you get to like the dlc content and have max gear though

[bitter socket]

I do have fun with unviable builds but my problem is how strong some charms are and how weak some charms are

[limber swallow]

Viability ≠ possible to get the job done with

[bitter socket]

Power creep is the problem in my opinion

[limber swallow]

Those are separate things

[graceful oyster]

That is literally what viable means

[lavish apex]

that is exactly what viable means yeah

[bitter socket]

I disagree, your charm makes or breaks a run

[limber swallow]

Is a spoon something you can dig a 5m wide hole with

[lavish apex]

not a fair comparison

[graceful oyster]

Comparing charm builds to manual labor with inadequate tools

[bitter socket]

I guess im trying to convey that charms need nerfs.

[mental snow]

No it was just the circled area
The Cheep Cheeps

[limber swallow]

Entirely a fair comparison

[lavish apex]

and i disagree

[graceful oyster]

It's not

[normal bramble]

Honestly none of bilewater felt impossible just really really hard

Now putrified ducts….??

Hate that place still

[lavish apex]

i understand the preference that people have for crests and tools but i like notches as well as the fact that some charms are in fact extremely strong

[limber swallow]

My point is that “viable” and “feasible” are synonyms, both actually referring more to practicality than possibility

[graceful oyster]

Actually yeah if we want to make this a fair comparison I think there are games where you dig holes with spoons

[lavish apex]

silksong isn't without garbage tools either

[bitter socket]

Skill issue on my end then.

[bitter socket]

Much better then hollow knight in balancing though.

[graceful oyster]

Right and it was perfectly feasible for my friend to beat NKG with a summoner build and baldur shell

[exotic dome]

silksong has more build options with crests and tool builds

[cerulean sable]

i think they should buff drillchitect tho

[lavish apex]

i think the lack of anything resembling a notch system to give weight to each equippable individually makes some of them fall behind just as badly

[exotic dome]

and it has better combat and movement mechanics too

[fiery burrow]

Beat Mio 🗣️

[bitter socket]

Wasn't Baldur shell always good

[limber swallow]

But was it practical

[graceful oyster]

Peeeeaaakk, which boss did you beat?

[graceful oyster]

It was! It worked

[exotic dome]

the charm system is not bad either. just very simple imo

[fiery burrow]

||Ati and I assume there are more endings?||

[limber swallow]

That’s not what practicality is

[graceful oyster]

Google practical

It is what it means

[rocky jolt]

thorns of agony

[odd hull]

Thank god there isn't any notch system

[plush reef]

Sea of sorrow soon

[graceful oyster]

There is in fact more to it

[limber swallow]

I would implore you to do the same

[exotic dome]

mio spoiler ||i beat ati today too, and unlocked the wheel. is there a verry hidden specific task to unlock the other ending like silksong or can i go blind and find out||

[bitter socket]

In my opinion, most charms are like screw drivers. But unbreakable strength and such are electric screw drivers, making the game way too easy. I just wish some nerfs were dealt.

[limber swallow]

Regardless, this doesn’t actually disprove my point, this is just y’all being picky about my wording

[graceful oyster]

I'm like, the third most practical person I know, I don't need to prove anything to you unfortunately

[lavish apex]

i prefer the mod system in mio to silksong's customization for similar reasons as i prefer charms but that game probably has better balance too

[fiery burrow]

Is this clickable for me

[limber swallow]

You don’t need to but neither do I need to believe you

[graceful oyster]

Welcome to the internet

[limber swallow]

So why even make that point

I know that you have nothing you need to prove to me

[exotic dome]

uhh im not sure

[graceful oyster]

Because I know what practical means

I'm not stupid

[limber swallow]

If viable, feasible, and practical are not sufficient words, then how about we use “effective”

[lavish apex]

for someone whom hk1 is generally hard for i think the charm balance problem is even less of an issue

[exotic dome]

@graceful oyster what should i do

[limber swallow]

I think we can all agree on the definition of the word effective

[graceful oyster]

Bingo, you're looking for efficiency. Which is a weird thing to seek on a single player game over fun.

[lavish apex]

becausw it increases the viability of defensive charms by quite a lot

[graceful oyster]

You can go blind

It's not another silksong

[exotic dome]

aight thanks

[limber swallow]

Effective gameplay is fun

[graceful oyster]

To you

[limber swallow]

Making a build that is fun and does well is enjoyable

[lavish apex]

even though stuff like quick focus/heart is still helpful at a higher skill level for stuff like pantheon 5 and bindings

[graceful oyster]

So is beating stuff with silly crap

[lavish apex]

or trial of the fool on steel soul

[graceful oyster]

Believe it or not fun isn't restricted to one playstyle

[limber swallow]

Sure, I’m speaking on my accord, whose opinion would I be expressing here other than myself

[toxic vigil]

i wonder how hard act 1 phantom is

[limber swallow]

And in many balanced games, builds like these do exist

[graceful oyster]

If you're making general statements about a game you can't just base it off of your lone opinion

[hushed girder]

Guys if I beat the skull tyrant in the marrow, does it trigger the bigger one at bone bottom?

[limber swallow]

I’m not

I’m sharing my opinion on the game

[hushed girder]

Cause I got scared asf when that bigger version jumped me at the bench

[graceful oyster]

"One of Hollow Knight's major flaws is its charm imbalance"

That's a general statement

[limber swallow]

Yeah, that’s what I believe

[graceful oyster]

That assumes it's a major flaw

[limber swallow]

To me, that is its major flaw

[graceful oyster]

To us, it isn't

[torn rock]

it's like a 40% chance or something for it to spawn whenever you rest at bb's bench

so just don't rest there

[limber swallow]

And that’s fun

It’s super fun to talk to people about this game

[lavish apex]

i can understand it being a flaw but it is in no way major to me nor has it ever been

[exotic dome]

it's a flaw

[toxic vigil]

honestly as much hate silksong tools can get, they are probably more balanced than hk charms
though if we also include crests into discussion that changes

[exotic dome]

what does "major" mean anyways

[hushed girder]

Yea cause I’m not ready for it

But I need money

[limber swallow]

It is also rewarding to beat a boss with a build that challenges you, and HK already does this in multiple ways that do not undercut its balance

[hushed girder]

So i gotta turn in the quest at least

[lavish apex]

red tools are not more balanced than charms, that system is a mess
i think generally yellows/blues and crests are though for sure

[limber swallow]

The discussion changes but Silksong is still generally more balanced

[toxic vigil]

reaper crest

[limber swallow]

I can agree on this

[lavish apex]

red tools are also not really equivalent to charms though

[toxic vigil]

yeah its hard to compare

[lavish apex]

there's no real equivalent to them in the first game

[limber swallow]

Honestly I feel like balance within non-competitive games tends to be overlooked

[lavish apex]

or any other metroidvania i've played
the most apt comparison would probably be like, craftables in elden ring

[full locust]

i jst got into act 2 what do i do

[torn rock]

when does the ant merchant in hunters march die?

[exotic dome]

red tools are probably a soulslike element

[torn rock]

enjoy the citadel lol

[limber swallow]

For example, HK has its own meta, as every game does

[full locust]

im trying to get faydown cloak asap

[limber swallow]

That’s not a bad thing, in fact, in any game that has options there will be a meta

But you have to account for the gap between what the worst build and best build is

[lavish apex]

i might be less sensitive to those complaints towards hk1 because i'm a jrpg fan

and balance in those games is often incomparably worse

[limber swallow]

That would do it yeah

[torn rock]

i don't like games having actual difficulty options so having ways to make the game easier is pretty cool

[toxic vigil]

they should have given wanderer crest a 3rd blue slot to compensate for only 1 red tool slot tbh

[hybrid flare]

Hk has a very rigid meta as most charms are hot ass

[limber swallow]

Sort of

[torn rock]

so uhhh underworks > trobbio > claw then to mount fay

[limber swallow]

Like.. 4 charms are super duper good, half are viable (a lot of these are utility), and the rest are indeed hot ass

[hybrid flare]

silksong meta is much more customization-friendly as most crests are good in their own ways (sorry reaper)

[exotic dome]

godhome has this meta imo. most players try different builds in their first playthrough

but yeah half of charms are not really good

[toxic vigil]

who decided to give reaper heavy blow like genuinely

[lavish apex]

i think there are a lot fewer that are hot ass than there are that are at least a little bit useful

[kindred willow]

Guys

[limber swallow]

Here’s my rebalance tier list, for example

[kindred willow]

How useful is Cross Stitch against Lost Lace

[tight viper]

Very

[kindred willow]

That's fair, I definitely didn't find other skills like Rune Rage too useful against her but I could see that

[toxic vigil]

strenght above qslash?
also only 2 tiers for buff / big buff is not enough

[lavish apex]

like obviously there's no defending shit like the gank squad charms, heavy blow, dreamshield, hiveblood outside of white palace, joni's, or stalwart shell but i think pr much everything else can be argued to have a place where it's good

[exotic dome]

bring back heavy ballow as a tool 🥀

[limber swallow]

Quickslash is kind of a hard case because you can’t nerf it too much without making it feel less fun to play

[lavish apex]

oh i forgot thorns thorns sucks too

and defender's crest

[toxic vigil]

4 notches

[torn rock]

playing summoner in hk is fun lol

[limber swallow]

Hmmmmm shit maybe

[toxic vigil]

stallwart dosen't nerf you

[tight viper]

Lifeblood core or whichever one Salubra sells is fine imo

Since you get it so early

[lavish apex]

it might be fun and it's not hard to win stuff with it but it's probably one of the worst uses of your power budget

[limber swallow]

They’re not bad but imo should be better

[hybrid flare]

lifeblood charms are all hot ass

[tight viper]

The abyss one should probably be buffed tho

[hybrid flare]

they're just not worth it

[tight viper]

It should have something special about it

[lavish apex]

lifeblood core is one of the best defensive charms for bosses

[torn rock]

i mean ig but if you wanna maximize damage your options are pretty limited

[limber swallow]

The thing is that it’s not as satisfying as if they were just… also effective builds

[tight viper]

Maybe not a buff, but some new feature

[hybrid flare]

Maybe lifeblood charms could have special interactions w lifeblood

[exotic dome]

buffed version is overdose in silksong

[limber swallow]

Let me grab my rebalance document…

[torn rock]

quick nail, strength, shaman etc based on what build

[hybrid flare]

overdose is pretty strong

[tight viper]

That’s true, but vessels can’t overdose

[torn rock]

is there a mod to play as hornet in hollow knight yet lol?

i know you can play as the knight in silksong

[robust flame]

Is the overdose in ss any good I feel like it’s op bc it doesn’t stop regenerating
But I never used it

[hybrid flare]

it is hella good yea

[exotic dome]

there is

[toxic vigil]

i mean it goes from 10s to 6s

[limber swallow]

Ugh, why can’t I download google docs on my phone

[lavish apex]

i would define a major flaw in this context as something that considerably worsens the experience of a game

[exotic dome]

both games become easier when you swap the characters lol

[lavish apex]

so something like idk shell shards

[hybrid flare]

Yeah shell shards are shit

[exotic dome]

shell shards are definitely a major flaw

[hybrid flare]

But i'd say charm balance could potentially be a bigger flaw

[lavish apex]

or needing to finish 25 poopoo ass quests to get to the last part of the game

[tight viper]

Shell Shards are fine in theory

[torn rock]

having hornets heal in hk would be so broken but I just love the heal in silksong too much

[lavish apex]

[tight viper]

You don’t though

[hybrid flare]

They arent nearly as bad as you make them out to be, most of them are pretty interactive

[torn rock]

honestly kinda don't play HK anymore because of the heal i really don't like it

[exotic dome]

fetch quests are ass

there are way too many of them

[tight viper]

You only need 17/25 quests

[torn rock]

i love fetch quests

[tight viper]

For the optional ones

[exotic dome]

grand hunt, find npc etc. are fine

[lavish apex]

outside of the mandatory ones

[hybrid flare]

Fetch quests made me find thread storm

[toxic vigil]

i mean reminder that its still 3 hits for 1 mask, but 1 mask is half value

[tight viper]

And most of the quests are fine or easy to do while doing other things

[brittle totem]

is there a way to skip raging conchfly

[hybrid flare]

And the enemies in this game actually do shit...

[exotic dome]

"silver bells" or "kill void masses" are garbage quests

[full locust]

where is trobbio lol

[tight viper]

No

[toxic vigil]

tbh void masses you just kinda do while exploring

[tight viper]

I mean you can break the game and float through walls

But that’s silly

[exotic cedar]

Theres nothing to explore except act 3 far fields

[inland pebble]

is the Magnetite brooch worth grabbing or is it kinda bad like the geo charm from hollow knight?

[torn rock]

you gotta kill the dancers and go to an area from the cogworks

[tight viper]

Not really

[exotic dome]

exploring a dead version of the area that i already explored

[hybrid flare]

This is in part true

[lavish apex]

i'm only half serious with the poopoo ass thing, most of them aren't that bad. i've seen way worse than the worst quests in silksong. but very very few of them are particularly good or interesting and there are some annoying and finnicky trigger conditions to get some of them that i don't like

[hybrid flare]

As we've been robbed of old pharloom

[tight viper]

There’s no guarantees that you explored everything in your first playthrough

[hybrid flare]

and the abyss is mid... again

(Silksong is my fave game im allowed to shit on it)

[exotic cedar]

True, but honestly i don't really know if every player cares about exploring "everything"

[tight viper]

And there are void hearts in areas you’ll have to revisit so

I don’t think you have to go completely out of your way to do the dark hearts quest

[glacial bane]

@spark anchor can i not only steal your old pfp but also your old username
And btw is that phantom in the pfp (adress me img) cuz it kinda looks like a dog

[limber swallow]

Fucking finally god

[tight viper]

Even if you still need one or two after getting all of the old hearts and doing other a3 quests, there’s plenty located near bellways or hub locations

[brittle totem]

why the hell is raging conchfly such a pain in the ass to fight?

[lavish apex]

i love replaying metroidvanias that i love and silksong is one of them and i also love act 3's critical path boss content but activating silk and soul has been a pretty consistent annoyance across all 5 of my playthroughs

[exotic dome]

same

[limber swallow]

Aaaand the conversation has already shifted

God damnit dude

[lavish apex]

sorry lmao

[minor sparrow]

I find raging conchfly fun ngl

[exotic cedar]

In act 3 i just did the main quests (go to the abyss etc.)

[graceful oyster]

[exotic cedar]

Didn't explore

[exotic dome]

i still love and glaze my skong depite all its flaws

[limber swallow]

Nah ur good, I blame bullshit UI on mobile

[exotic dome]

#glazemio

[tight viper]

I like the changes for dash, sprint, and sharp shadow

I am a fan of all three charms

[limber swallow]

How do you feel about the optional change I listed

[lavish apex]

exactly this is why i think i like mio more

[tight viper]

No bueno

[limber swallow]

Fair enough

[tight viper]

I like being able to comfortably dash through Failed Champ

Instead of having to be right next to em

[toxic vigil]

me when i am stupid and don't know how shaman stone works

[tight viper]

And the extra length is a double edged sword

[glacial bane]

I thought that was JEs files

[exotic dome]

longest text is written for glowing womb lol

also this is very valid

[limber swallow]

Lmfao yeah

[limber swallow]

In what way

[torn rock]

i think out of all the metroidvanias I played ender magnolia has been my favorite

[graceful oyster]

Sprint master is already good and I use it often

[brittle totem]

i lowk feel bad for mio users cuz yall genuinly have nowhere to talm abt your game lmao

[torn rock]

I've been lucky to only play good ones tbh

[exotic cedar]

I believe there's a server

[torn rock]

aside from like prince of persia

[graceful oyster]

No need to feel bad! We have places.

[exotic dome]

both hks have more content, and i tried different builds for each of my silksong playthroughs. so i think hks are much more replayable

[fallow knot]

You took the 3 most decent charms in the game and thought "instead of getting the other charms to their level they should be heavily nerfed"?

[limber swallow]

Which charms are those

[torn rock]

damn I didn't even know this game existed it looks good I just looked it up

[exotic dome]

mio developers pay for us we spread propaganda

[graceful oyster]

We talk about it here because a lot of people also play it. And to people who don't play, it's a similar interest

[limber swallow]

I think a good example of a decent charm is Quick Focus

[odd hull]

I knew it

[toxic vigil]

explanation for shaman stone:
vengefull spirit / shade soul gets 2/3s of the buff the other 2 spells because it also gets a size increase unlike the 2 other ones. this makes double hits easier / possible when not possible before on bosses and enemies. ddark / shriek / dive / wraiths all get the 50%.
if you wanted to keep it consistent you would give vengefull spirit / shade soul 22% more damage instead of 33% with the other 2 being 33%.
( flukenest also gets the size increase and 33% )

[topaz owl]

I definitely need to play Mio it looks amazing

[graceful oyster]

It's more fun than Silksong methinks. Story's much nicer too.

[limber swallow]

Great catch

[torn rock]

how long is it

[graceful oyster]

And yeah, it's beautiful

[limber swallow]

I could reduce damage increase for VS to… 15%?

[graceful oyster]

Roughly 40h to completion

[limber swallow]

Maybe 20% would be better

[torn rock]

ooooo

[tight viper]

Dive gets 51% while ddark gets 47%

[torn rock]

interested

[exotic dome]

it's probably the only metroidvania that i can compare to hk franchise

[toxic vigil]

or just. stay consistent with it getting 66% of the buff the other 2 get? ( 33 is 66% of 50 )

[toxic vigil]

rounding

[limber swallow]

So 22

Sure

[toxic vigil]

i think it would be better to 4 notch qslash instead of messing with soul gain and dmg

[limber swallow]

Hard disagree

That neuters some pretty fun builds unnecessarily

[lavish apex]

i'd agree but also i think blasphemous 2 is up there
kinda 1 too but that game has a lot of issues

[brittle totem]

i realize the key to beating ragind conch is just to be really agressive and greedy

[exotic dome]

blasphemous is peak too

[torn rock]

i love blasphemous sm

[toxic vigil]

hiveblood at double speed is an overbuff
grimmchild is still really bad
could i suggest a carefree melody change?

[tight viper]

Grubberfly’s Elegy should just literally become Shaman Crest, tool system and all. The Knight can now access Hornet’s tools and silk skills, in addition to its own charms and spells

[graceful oyster]

Mio devs said blasphemous was a big influence on it

[lavish apex]

still maintain that those games have some of the best art direction that i've ever seen

[toxic vigil]

wdym

[knotty osprey]

yall real question, how much % do you think silksong will be able to reach when all dlcs are out

do you think it'll exceed 112%

[tight viper]

Healing and moveset is now Shaman

[toxic vigil]

definitely because each tool / crest is 1%

[lavish apex]

i can understand why, aerial combat feels quite similar

and the world structures

[limber swallow]

Disagree, good point, sure

[radiant charm]

if I beat grand mother silk will i automatically go to act 3 or do i have to do something else?

[exotic cedar]

You have to do something else

[odd hull]

160%

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 has requirements

[radiant charm]

So i can beat grand mother silk rn and do other bosses in act 2 before it gets locked?

[graceful oyster]

And also Outer Wilds, Elden Ring, Hollow Knight

[torn rock]

yes

[knotty osprey]

that sounds bonkers but i can dream

[odd hull]

Definitely

[toxic vigil]

5 seconds per mask is insane lol. plasmification is 6 and that is busted as hell in a game where everything does double damage

[lavish apex]

i think sea of sorrow will add <5%

[limber swallow]

It’s a 4 notch and 10 seconds per is almost useless without white palace

[topaz owl]

Yeah it's just like Hollow Knight you'll spawn back to before you beat the boss

[knotty osprey]

i hope one of them is another melee-based red tool like delvers drill i think that'd be sick

[kindred willow]

Holy cow

[exotic dome]

i think it will add 5-10%

[exotic cedar]

When you beat grand mother silk, get the ending and watch the credits and after that you can still play on your save file.

[kindred willow]

Just met Yarnaby

[limber swallow]

Also, doesn’t Hiveblood only regen 1 mask?

[toxic vigil]

10 seconds yeah
5 is insane tho
i would say max 6

[kindred willow]

I have never found a character so instantly endearing

[graceful oyster]

I need Silksong sticky bomb

[lavish apex]

hiveblood does only regen the mask you've most recently lost

[toxic vigil]

yeah but the most non asc damage dealt is 2, so its atleast double hp if you can wait the 5 seconds which is very easy

[graceful oyster]

Let me stick a bomb to choir bellbearers

[exotic cedar]

Don't worry, you don't get locked out of much content (there's like 2 things missable but they are duels + journal entries)

[limber swallow]

Ugh, shit… fine, 7.5

[toxic vigil]

was thinking 7 but sure

[knotty osprey]

hollup that sounds fire

[limber swallow]

10 or 12.5 for Joni

I’m thinking 10 just cause that’s 7 notches

[toxic vigil]

my carefree melody idea:
instead of the increasing chances thing, its now simply every 4th hit. ( so not blocked, nb, nb, blocked, nb, nb, nb, blocked )

[limber swallow]

Hmm how about we expand that to a guaranteed dodge within 4 hits, to make it more random

[toxic vigil]

honestly joni's is a bit of a lost cause bc that shit is 4 extra masks ( 5 with fragile / unb heart )

[graceful oyster]

Ehh it's not as fun if it's predictable

[light swan]

afterimage is so cool

[limber swallow]

For example you’ll always get a dodge in the frame of 4 hits BUT you don’t know which it will be

[light swan]

i wish you could slingshot afterimage

[toxic vigil]

thats cool

[light swan]

it low-key does good damage

[graceful oyster]

Please be talking about the game

[spice cargo]

im struggling to play hollowknight after playing silksong

[limber swallow]

So if it’s the first one, you will 100% not get a dodge in the next 3

[light swan]

both

[graceful oyster]

NOO

[light swan]

afterimage is so cool

[graceful oyster]

Afterimage is so buns

[light swan]

can we talk about how the first area of afterimage is bigger than 2 silksong areas combined

or smth like that idk

[light swan]

but it’s cool

[graceful oyster]

Sure

[light swan]

imagine having a shadow clone jutsu for a hairpin

[brittle totem]

king khan is pretty prideful, he believes his army is good,

[fiery burrow]

(MIO SPOILERS) dang

[graceful oyster]

Can you hairpin afterimage clones?

[light swan]

deng

[light swan]

nope! because afterimage fucking sucks

[graceful oyster]

[light swan]

the first time around it was beautiful and enchanting

the second time around it’s just depressing

[graceful oyster]

It cuts deeper every time I go up there

[fiery burrow]

Grynne you've played outer wilds right

[graceful oyster]

And every time I watch someone else

[graceful oyster]

Yeppers

[icy crow]

Are we talking about Memories In Peak right now?

[graceful oyster]

Yus

[light swan]

yes

[fiery burrow]

Outer Wilds and Mio spoilers ||The observatory is like definitely inspired by that one coordinate sequence isn't it||

[light swan]

i wish defensive mechanism can proc on parry

[icy crow]

https://tenor.com/view/black-beard-peak-writing-black-beard-marshal-d-teach-peak-writing-barba-negra-gif-5446515270440960312

[fiery burrow]

Outer Wilds and Mio spoilers

[light swan]

is this ow spoilers

[fiery burrow]

yes

[light swan]

alr good o didnt wanna get spoiled on overwatch

[graceful oyster]

It certainly could be. I wouldn't doubt it.

A lot of the spacey things I think were

[light swan]

honestly i personally think yea

[graceful oyster]

Nice try

[lavish apex]

CINEMAAAAAA

[light swan]

shiinema absolute

[icy crow]

Waiting for the next sales event to kick in

[steep wadi]

why is chat not discussing silksong in sk-discussion rn

[light swan]

when does chat ever talk about silksong

[graceful oyster]

Meeo

[trim estuary]

w

[light swan]

if chat doesnt talk about silksong it’s likely because there’s nothing siksong related to talk about

[steep wadi]

b-b-but we could do crestslop discourse for the 15 billionth time

[graceful oyster]

I need to do a meeo doodle

[icy crow]

Silksong has actually been so squeezed dry from its content information that literally everything is common knowledge here lol

Really funny how even #hk-discussion manages to keep on-topic longer

[exotic cedar]

I ate silksong so we cannot talk about it

[crude geyser]

What is the worst crest then

[glass mortar]

tips for LL?

[glass mortar]

beast

[fiery burrow]

Reaper because I'm elitist next question

[steep wadi]

stay directly on top of her at all times

[icy crow]

I would talk about beating Enver Gortash from BG3 to a pulp here but I haven't begun the third act yet so lol

[glass mortar]

jk

[crude geyser]

It’s the best one Tfym

It literally has the bets pogo

[fiery burrow]

If you use it you are literally inferior to gigachad beast players

[glass mortar]

ok

[light swan]

reaper is literally so good i couldn’t beat karmelita if i didn’t have teaper

[trim estuary]

“Once you’ve been to Baldur’s Gate, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Enver Gortash to death with your bare hands.”

[steep wadi]

crine

[opaque sigil]

True!

[light swan]

let’s talk about black widow and why it’s the best mio mod

[fiery burrow]

The two venues for progression in MIO I see are these taunting elevators bruh

[light swan]

let’s talk about why defense mechanism should activate on dodge

[glacial kelp]

me playing silksong for the first time and looking at underworks/cradle elevator

[light swan]

afterimage should be slongshot, defense mechanism should be activated on parry, what else

[opaque sigil]

Once they buff strider attacks to have iframes and do three times a full combo in damage

[icy crow]

I've started the game last weekend but I'm thinking of doing a new save file because I could only play so little that day lol

Probably gonna follow up the quest list order

[strange knot]

Well I guess I’m not finishing a run today

[graceful oyster]

High voltage discharge, we could... make it actually function?

[light swan]

i think it works on enemies but not bosses and i dont think it’s realistic to expect devs to make it activate on bosses

[graceful oyster]

By the time you get it all enemies die in like 2 hits

[light swan]

agreed

stinky mod

[opaque sigil]

Mio randomizer when

[glass mortar]

did yall know hornet can do a backflip

i found ts out rn

[signal shale]

Guys good news!!!!

Silksong last patch before sea of sarrow

🥳

[storm shard]

I need that dlc man you don’t understand

[trim estuary]

“DLC” and it’s just content that was supposed to be there at launch 😔

[storm shard]

Potato Tomato bro

[brittle totem]

stop complaining, silksong had nearly 60-80 hours of content on launch

[trim estuary]

Unfinished game I’m afraid

[fringe vigil]

would you rather wait 5 more years and get a game with all of dlc's planed ?

[trim estuary]

[cerulean sable]

born in silk
i have been spun
my family crest is a WEAVER OF DEATHHHHHHHHHH

[fringe vigil]

hollow knight dlc are just major updates, its not like you will have to pay for them or anything. They just allow you to play main game without waiting for years to get some additional content

[glacial bane]

Can you believe

[torn rock]

"(ragebaiter)" btw

[storm shard]

This is cheating bro was this not supposed to be specifically sea of sorrow news

[glacial bane]

No

[trim estuary]

Shh

[glacial bane]

What

[daring basin]

the content packs are things that Team Cherry has planned but would prefer to give a base game. For HK it was more stuff that seemed to far fetched (mostly budget), with Silksong it’s much bigger so it’s gonna take more time

[storm shard]

This account specifically posts a video a day titled ‘daily silksong - sea of sorrow news’

This is technically not sea of sorrow news therefore they are cheating

I don’t make the rules bub idk what to tell you

[trim estuary]

Explain THIS then!!

[lost nest]

it looks like dung defender made it lol

[glacial bane]

No

It called daily silksong news

[daring basin]

yea, “planned” doesn’t mean “not being worked on.” Just means it is a release not with the first launch. It also is a marketing strategy to get people to come back to the game for new content

[trim estuary]

Exactly. I have won again

[storm shard]

No

[hybrid flare]

Tc PLEASE gives us old pharloom dlc

[storm shard]

They’re baiting 💔

[graceful cairn]

I like the dlcs not just being in the base game from launch cause I get to replay the game again

[glacial bane]

You ragebaited me twice i a week

[daring basin]

yea I kinda got that

[trim estuary]

I wouldn’t do that

[storm shard]

Who’s ready for the gloom dlc

[trim estuary]

Coral Gorge is NEVER COMING BACK!!!

[glacial bane]

First you said that i was a pc fan and didnt understand humor and left the server bc of that and now idk i just said that you rbted me whan you didnt

[strange knot]

I think I’m starting to understand how to do one cycle bell beast

[glacial bane]

R u ragebaiting too

[storm shard]

[trim estuary]

As a DougDoug fan,

[glacial bane]

Im neither a fan of dd or pc

[graceful cairn]

should I do a speedrun with this on chat

[pallid pine]

Been a couple months since ive touched mapmaking, gonna try it once again by finishing this project

[storm shard]

Yes

[glacial bane]

Is it a yes or no

[still osprey]

This is cool it looks really authentic

[glacial bane]

Only if i could play that as pablo

[pallid pine]

Thanks dude, its certainly bigger then my other maps, I still need to make 3x this to finish it so it might be a while

[sharp yacht]

i broke my 360 controller over a silksong boss.

now the left stick is loose

[subtle lynx]

Ofc in my run where I'm going for sun 30h and I don't care about mementos I beat Seth in the hardest mini game on my first try

[worthy lintel]

Just loaded the game twice and the title screen music doubled up with one playing a moment after, it actually sounds really nice

[sharp yacht]

and then silksong not loading every single map in act 2. still stuck in the map loading screen to this day.

[graceful cairn]

I'm great at picking icons

[sharp yacht]

ehh good enough i think.

[smoky bridge]

I found it. God damnit.

[graceful oyster]

[jovial stratus]

[serene verge]

If im doing the flower challenge, who should i give it to before the grave?

[toxic vigil]

Flea dodge is not that hard ong

[graceful cairn]

elderbug ❤️
-# you can get more flowers from the grave after delivering btw

[toxic vigil]

Oro and elderbug.
There is also godseeker but that is easier from the grave

[spice cargo]

what flower challenge

[tame obsidian]

.

why is trobbio so annoying to kill

[brittle totem]

he's easy af, go upgrade your needle and he's gon be beggin you on his knees for you to stop desecrating him

[slender juniper]

Tomorrow I'm starting my first real Speedrun with autosplit am everything

I did Conductors gauntlet 4 times in a row so I'm ready

[spice cargo]

I beat him with 1 needle upgrade

[slender juniper]

GLAZE THE CIRCLET

[severe jasper]

After about 20 minutes I managed to get to phase 3 of lost lace

I spammed tools and I think she almost died

I can probably actually do this in the next hour

[rose forge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-fnaf-hwI4IOkCvGghSj6fqT

[severe jasper]

Holy shit she just pulled an 8 damage combo

I was healing and she hit me out of it then into the writing void on the floor and then instantly hit me with the homing spikes

[storm shard]

Good luck

People like to say karmelita is the hardest boss in the game but I’d argue it’s lost lace

[severe jasper]

What crest should I use?

Im using hunter rn so i can hit her in her parries and use more tools for phase 3

[still osprey]

Hunter is great, I'd stick to it

but also I am biased because it's my favorite crest

Also I just beat Symphony of the Void in Pantheon of Pharloom 🎉 yippeee

[ornate perch]

If you’re good at not getting hit Hunter’s a good one for the extra damage

[heavy badger]

how to kill seth

i used all crests and all combo of tools

[last flax]

my best advice is

[tight viper]

Beast fury mode can pierce his shield

[still osprey]

I really like using clawline on seth

clawline -> downdash -> start attacking

[tight viper]

Only problem with clawlining him is the shield

[severe jasper]

After LL all I have to do is get the last 2 momentos and im done with silksong (until sea of sorrows comes out

Im never going to even attempt steel soul

Or the speedrun achievements

[heavy badger]

i clawline and while the dash i would get damaged

[last flax]

that 100% + steel soul achievement is scary

the amount of planning and practice that must take

[heavy badger]

but seth's roar at the start reminds of of when i stub my toe

[unkempt steeple]

I prefer the cocoon but I miss the little shade jingle

[slender juniper]

"oh look it's a cool guy that attacks with a cymbal and his name is Seth"
Cool what's the soundtrack
....

[lusty grove]

peak. the soundtrack is peak.

[brittle totem]

i hate coral tower so much holy shit 🥹

[slender juniper]

SKILL ISSUE SKILL ISSUE SKILL ISSUE SKILL ISSUE

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-cat-banana-hungry-void-cat-gif-16626119171143575104

[brittle totem]

i hope you get softlocked in bilewater without ever knowing and you spent 30 hours there

[slender juniper]

I live in middle Europe I already basically live in bilewater

[glass mortar]

nah irelands like bilewater

[slender juniper]

Nah London is sinner road

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/hardpretzel-spongebob-patrick-roller-coaster-screaming-on-roller-coaster-gif-15822836723246643102

[lusty grove]

fuck you

[slender juniper]

Do I look like a fool

[brittle totem]

the entirety of europe is just green plains and whimsical forests stop complaining bro 🥀

[green jungle]

u fell for it though

[heavy badger]

if you look at egypt's depths you'll cry

[slender juniper]

Is this the American view of Europe

[lusty grove]

this you?

[molten smelt]

holy shit
grace player spotted in the wild

[heavy badger]

in my country dogs own the roads

[brittle totem]

brutha the worst part of europe is dealing with incel racist 12 year olds occasionally 🥀

[trim estuary]

TRUE

[heavy badger]

(my leg was almost cut off last morning)

[trim estuary]

WE are all grace players dude

[brittle totem]

im having a feeling i know exactly where your talm abt

[heavy badger]

i know

[subtle lynx]

I think there are worse things goin on in Europe rn...

[slender juniper]

"Water is fluid"

[subtle lynx]

But of all the places on earth, it's definitely one of the best

[exotic cedar]

Chat is blasphemous good

[rigid crown]

jjkjkkj

[graceful cairn]

finally got a sub 50 🥹

[slender juniper]

One is mid the second one is great

[brittle totem]

oh wait yeah the entire east side fighting going on, mb

[exotic cedar]

Just bought it since its on sale

[molten smelt]

whaa
i di not know tjis

[exotic cedar]

Second one pretty expesive though

[brittle totem]

it took me 20 hours just to get to act 2 bro how yall doin ts in less than an hour

[slender juniper]

Who are we fighting

I'm not fighting anyone

[exotic cedar]

Oh nice, its also a pretty small game

[brittle totem]

the ukraine situation atm, ukraine is a part of europe and tensions are high

[graceful cairn]

learn craw skip and you too can get sub hour

[slender juniper]

That's not the entire east side

[slender juniper]

Craw skip and being good at the game

[slender juniper]

I'm trying to get autosplit to work

So I'm doing an actual Speedrun tomorrow

[graceful cairn]

fire

[slender juniper]

I did Conductors gauntlet 4 times in a row with circlet

[graceful cairn]

I still havent done a full game speedrun but I will someday

[trim estuary]

Autosplit?? Split Mod reference???

[still osprey]

This skip is lowkey so fun to pull off when it works

[graceful cairn]

I was doing this with the withered foxy jumpscare mod too but I'm sad to report I did not get any jumpscares

[slender juniper]

Non Speedruner spotted

Filthy cassual

[hushed girder]

I’m 3 hours and 23 minutes in steel soul and I almost got everything I can get before going to blasted steps

[trim estuary]

I got a withered foxy jumpscare while fighting Avatar of Emptiness

[hushed girder]

I’m trying to 100% and speedrun

[trim estuary]

Fun times

[edgy patio]

yo im doing a steel soul run and i just got clawline and the craftmetal what do i buy from twelfth architect

[slender juniper]

So 100% speedrun?

[hushed girder]

Yea

[edgy patio]

(im using wanderer crest btw)

[slender juniper]

CIRCLET CIRCLET CIRCLET

[edgy patio]

okay thank youu

[slender juniper]

GLAZE THE CIRCLET

[hushed girder]

I might not really get it done that quick since I’m doing steel soul but I’m trying to

[brittle totem]

how many gauntlets until i get to kill khan>

[edgy patio]

alr i bought it

yea the jump ability is pretty good

[slender juniper]

Did you do the craw gauntlet already

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-no-limit-to-the-glaze-flight-riding-ftc-glazed-donut-gif-13467296479651443764

[edgy patio]

gonna go get double jump now

[hushed girder]

Where is that again?

[slender juniper]

Craw lake

Don't do it now

Wait for the creige craw quest and then do it

[hushed girder]

Yea

[slender juniper]

So you can get the craw cloaks easily

[hushed girder]

I think tho like I think I went into it and defeated enemies

[edgy patio]

cyall

[slender juniper]

Bad

[hushed girder]

Oh

[slender juniper]

Now you'll have to farm craws for the creige quest

Instead of smacking 2 craws with one stone

[hushed girder]

Welp

I died over there once and I just wanted it over with, I didn’t think about it

[lusty grove]

still got it after 5 months

[brittle totem]

WHY ARE THERE NO BENCHES IN CORAL TOWER BRO

I BEAT GAUNTLET 1

[hushed girder]

Should I get the witch crest before last judge?

[lusty grove]

cuz it's a memory

[brittle totem]

AND THERE'S NO BENCH AFTER

[slender juniper]

You can't

[hushed girder]

Oh

[slender juniper]

Unless you're doing phantom route you can't do that

[lusty grove]

you can if you go through Phantom then come back

[fervent wharf]

Guys I need to get all the mask shards

[slender juniper]

Ask YouTube I'm bussy

[graceful cairn]

my hand is in extreme pain 🎉

[lusty grove]

how to no hit Marmu
step one: abyss shriek

[slender juniper]

You can check game genie map go to #sk-help or watch a YouTube video

[hushed girder]

I gotta save bellhart first so let me do that

[formal scroll]

Hello cros

[slender juniper]

One blocked message do I click it

[unkempt steeple]

FREE MONEY

[formal scroll]

Oh my god bro

[worldly umbra]

no way beast games is out now

[formal scroll]

Who is this????

[worldly umbra]

hacked account

[unkempt steeple]

A guy giving us free money

[formal scroll]

Bloodgoo

Can we call mods bro

[hushed girder]

Almost died navigating

[tardy void]

someone knows +- when sea of sorrow releases?

[brittle totem]

Team cherry actually expects us to be jobless losers cuz why do i needa do the first gauntlet again if I failed the second one?

[restive ibex]

<@&283547423706447872>

[hushed girder]

I have all the tulips but I’ll wait until like act 2 or 3

[marsh ibex]

great

[restive ibex]

Everyone falling for the same hack

[slender juniper]

You can either deliver them on the way to get tipp or with the twisted child

[hushed girder]

Pollips I mean

I’ll wait for now

[hardy tangle]

why would anyone believe a billionaire would give out money

[restive ibex]

hunter2

[hardy tangle]

tf is frank rodriguez on about

[brittle totem]

what did bro type i didn't see

[restive ibex]

Probably also a bot/phisher. Joined today, spams only the same dumbass shit, claims to be a CEO in profile

Or they are trying to indirectly spam someone

[soft belfry]

That would be wild

[hardy tangle]

can mods do something

[kind tide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1483274636245336115/DRIVING.gif

[fervent wharf]

GUYS BREAKING NEWS

[surreal halo]

Gg ^_^

[surreal halo]

Did you get 100%?

[graceful oyster]

GRRAAAHHH ribeye steak is so FREAKING good

[fervent wharf]

I have every crest every tool every flea every needle upgrade

and more

[graceful oyster]

Look at how good this looks holy cow

Okay that's all bye

[worn reef]

I'm kinda amped that Patch 5 is intended as the last significant update before Silksong’s upcoming major expansion: Sea of Sorrow.

[slender juniper]

TOMORROW

[worn reef]

i wish

[night topaz]

I wish beast crest had just 1 blue slot instead of a red or yellow slot

[worn reef]

ehhh beast crest

[slender juniper]

I agree

[worn reef]

maybe I should try a beast crest run just for the hell of it

[night topaz]

Mostly red cause who’s gonna use a tool with a beast crest

[worn reef]

on another note I do have a second file so I can get the corrupted ending

[slender juniper]

Tho beast is already broken without blues som..

[worn reef]

what

[night topaz]

Yeah but could become better

[graceful oyster]

GOOD LIRD this is so gobsmackingly tasty

[night topaz]

It would be top tier for boss rushes

[worn reef]

I'm so confused

[exotic cedar]

What

[slender juniper]

Put your phone down while eating you gen Z

[restive ibex]

<@&283547423706447872> likely another bot sorry. At minimum a moron

[graceful cairn]

why did scammers move to using crypto scams the $50 steam giftcards were so much more convincing

[worn reef]

really

thats annoying

[graceful cairn]

shut up bro

[graceful oyster]

There's no one else home right now and if you had a steak this good you'd need to talk about it too

[graceful cairn]

lmaoooo

[graceful oyster]

Chill

[night topaz]

What’s is dawg doing spamming

[hollow helm]

uuuuuuuummm i just got kicked off silksong

[worn reef]

why

frank stop

[graceful oyster]

What is the meaning of this

[graceful cairn]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Sulfur_Pools

[rose forge]

its a sulfur deposit

[hollow helm]

it pop up this hornet head then it cosed out

[night topaz]

Also isn’t barbed bracelets good now?

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-silksong-this-post-was-fact-checked-this-post-was-fact-checked-by-real-citadel-patriots-silksong-grand-mother-silk-gif-15533073062746572687

[graceful oyster]

What about it

[night topaz]

Now that people are actually good at the game

[worn reef]

I'm about to block frank

[night topaz]

Block him

[hardy tangle]

can we get a ban on frankie

[rose forge]

now did you know

Half Life 2

its the same thing

[restive ibex]

I just pinged mods twice in 5 minutes, someone else's turn

[rose forge]

I cracked the code

[worn reef]

I aint doin that

[restive ibex]

Coward

[rose forge]

dude SHUT THE FUCK UP

[worn reef]

I would not spam that lol

[graceful cairn]

<@&283547423706447872> this guy is 100% some scammer

[rose forge]

<@&283547423706447872>

[graceful oyster]

Pinging them more won't do anything folks

[rose forge]

Execute this guy

[marsh ibex]

🫤

[night topaz]

Bruh HAHAHA

[brave geyser]

The guy was then shot dead 14 times

[night topaz]

15

[rose forge]

GREAT now can you ban that idiot

[fervent wharf]

yo what am I supposed to do in Verdania

[exotic cedar]

Collect memory orbs

[graceful cairn]

blasphemy!

[worn reef]

that's what I am saying they are spamming the mods thing is crazy

[graceful oyster]

Be disappointed because the region is disappointing

[hardy tangle]

avoid palestag

[marsh ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/distressed-gary-marshall-borders-sistas-pinching-the-bridge-of-my-nose-s7e9-gif-16124736404487178874

[worn reef]

btw hi

[still osprey]

This is genuinely the hardest segment I've done in this game how do people do this consistently