sk-discussion

[severe jasper]

Wanderers

[minor sparrow]

Not really, Actually

[heavy mason]

Damn, still no sea of sorrow

[odd hull]

Oh, I'm going to try that

[light swan]

wow, i respect that

[light swan]

have fun

[severe jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-skong-sk-gif-9152098084645823068

[inland sparrow]

Hell no

[odd hull]

Thx!

[heavy mason]

Real shit

[light swan]

notice how they suck and just spam 1 button like a lame nerd
/j

(thats me in the gif) (so im not insulting anyone)

[azure path]

My friend is an architect fiend, he will not take that shit off he would rather die, he did everything with architect crest

[heavy mason]

Wanderers just the one true crest

[minor sparrow]

I did try the funny pogo plus circlet thing with reaper on gms

It was very entertaining

[azure path]

I do like shaman crest tho

[minor sparrow]

But I feel like I'm playing the game less

[severe jasper]

Flea brew or flintslate + wanderers = killing anything in 2 seconds

[light swan]

can we glaze every crest please

[minor sparrow]

Therefor I have less fun

[lavish apex]

this is kind of extremely funny

[light swan]

how about you enjoy the boss rather than end it super early

[severe jasper]

Yes

[edgy niche]

Hunters crest is the greatest thing ever conceived

[severe jasper]

I enjoyed killing the boss in 2 seconds

[odd hull]

I have a friend like that too. I can't understand the love for Architect

[azure path]

Nah bro fuck architect and their tool spam shit (I am not an enemy from the high halls gauntlet)

[minor sparrow]

You are an enemy from the high halls gauntlet and you will be volt vesseled

[severe jasper]

I always keep some cogflies on me too

[azure path]

[minor sparrow]

Big shout out to my random ass three-fold pins for not really doing much but being fun to throw out

[charred ruin]

finally you can be the primal aspid

[lavish apex]

needletect is intriguing

[worn tinsel]

I have been stuck on this one arena for like 6 months technically

[azure path]

I only saw purple in the picture so for a second I thought that was tormented trobbio

[heavy mason]

Ngl tool spamming karmelita of all the bosses out there is kinda sad cause she's actually really fun to learn and fight, kinda glazing but imo she is the best boss

[severe jasper]

Why dont they have poison on

[tulip spire]

I use wanderer a lot but never really bothered with juice or flintslate tbh

[light swan]

did you watch the video :D

[minor sparrow]

I'm still thinking about that awakened gms death ngl

[light swan]

because its a shit tool that does nothing

[edgy niche]

Very justified glaze

[severe jasper]

You NEED poison for architect

[azure path]

Poison is controversial

[tulip spire]

They’re not really necessary

[minor sparrow]

Cause pollip pouch is dogshit

[charred ruin]

even worse not even tool spam just take wanderer crest with multibind and druids eyes and going all in and tanking damage until healing is needed

[severe jasper]

Not on architect

[azure path]

I like poison because I like my tools purple and I have enough blue slots on my vesticresg and witch set for it

[light swan]

pollip pouch is a waste of a blue slot on architect

you have so many better things to put there

[heavy mason]

Oh mb, I guess I just default architect users to tool spammers

[light swan]

volt filament, egg of flealia

[edgy niche]

Where are all the beast crest enjoyers I haven’t seen a single one yet

[heavy mason]

Even with vesti?

[azure path]

throws up

[tulip spire]

Tanking damage is sort of inefficient as wanderer since you can kill the thing faster if you’re just aura farming with pale nails

[minor sparrow]

Lmao

[light swan]

tes

[tulip spire]

Rather than wasting silk on heals

[severe jasper]

Why WOULDN'T you put the charm that improves your tools on the tools based crest

[light swan]

because it doesnt improve shit

barely any damage especially since it doesnt stack with itself

[lavish apex]

warding bell parries are so impractical but so cool looking

[severe jasper]

Cope harder dude

[tulip spire]

Because the improvement is marginal relative to the cost of a blue slot

[light swan]

pollip pouch is entirely useless

[azure path]

Egg of flealia on architect???

[charred ruin]

true but you cant kill karm that fast before she walks into you and you take contact damage because ur supposed to be tanking damage

[azure path]

ARCHITECT DOESNT EVEB HAVE SILK SKILLS

[light swan]

well theyre pretty practical on arhitect

[tulip spire]

Just get out of the way 5head

[zealous talon]

pollip pouch is only rly good on cogflies, but several other blue tools suit architect way better then pollip, such as quick sling, reserve bind, ect

[azure path]

Why are we putting egg if flealia on architect wtf

[light swan]

no pollip pouch is worse on cogflies

[severe jasper]

It adds up on the architect crest. Its normally just ok but architect makes it an A teir easily

[light swan]

because again the damage doesnt stack so youre losing damage with how much the cogflies hit the enemy

[light swan]

how do you know it actualy has an impact?

[charred ruin]

that requires learning to dodge
i dont wanna do that i wanna go all in

[tulip spire]

It’s like a what 15% damage boost or something

[minor sparrow]

Normally it's garbage and on architect it's mid

[zealous talon]

only have 1 cogfly out at a time, the damage output basically gets doubled

[azure path]

BOTH OF THOSE ARE SILK BASED YOU CANT PHT THAT SHIT ON ARCHUTECT IT DOESNT DO ANYTHING

[light swan]

pollip pouch?

over 2 seconds or more its only 6 damage

[charred ruin]

inefficient

[light swan]

AND IT DOESNT EVEN FUCKING STACK

[tulip spire]

Yeah so it’s fucking garbage

[light swan]

pollip pouch genuinely might be the worst blue tool in the game

memory crystal does more than pollip pouch

[minor sparrow]

Why would you do that instead of just flinging shit at it like you're supposed to with architect

[severe jasper]

Saying that when magnite dice exist

[light swan]

wispfire lantern does more than pollip pouch

[azure path]

Can we talk about this because they recommended this for architect??

[zealous talon]

its the best use i got for pollip puch man, its bad but atleast its suits a VERY specific playstyle

[light swan]

magnetite dice isnt a blue tool

[charred ruin]

yellow tool dawg

[minor sparrow]

Dice is a yellow wtf are you talking about

[tulip spire]

Dice are yellow and one of the best tools in the game lol

[earnest drift]

depending on the tool it’s anywhere from 35% to 10%

[light swan]

you just dont understand it

[minor sparrow]

Please play the game

[zealous talon]

i said earlier that its one of the worse blue tool choices for architect

[tulip spire]

I think Wispfire lantern is worse though

[severe jasper]

W bait ❤️❤️❤️

[azure path]

Both of those are silk skills on architect, you’re saying pollip pouch doesn’t do anything but it does more than whatever the fuck that is

[light swan]

wispfire lantern at least does damage

[tulip spire]

It’s like what if all the downsides of grimmchild and glowing womb

[minor sparrow]

Dice is really only good because of its slottage

[tulip spire]

Yeah maybe 20% of the time

[charred ruin]

spider strings the most useless yellow tool highkey

[light swan]

architect gets 4 out of the 6 silk skills btw

[minor sparrow]

If dice was a blue it would be mid

[tulip spire]

Yeah the value proposition is nuts

[earnest drift]

but it does more dmg per silk and costs less than glowing womb

[azure path]

???

the fuck??

[light swan]

cross stitch, silkspear, threadstorm, pale nails in a way

[zealous talon]

man wispfire is weird, when i first used it, it felt extremely good to use, after some testing "without knowing any numbers" it felt like it was dealing the same damage as the shawblade...how wrong i was

[edgy niche]

It’s probably just the most useless

[minor sparrow]

You can replicate the skills with a tool is what he's saying

[charred ruin]

most useless tool in general really

[light swan]

spider strings is good for shaman bind builds where i can stun the boss to nuke them with claw mirrors

[tulip spire]

Still a constant resource drain, aggros shit out of range without your input, and doesn’t reliably hit shit

It’s garbage

[azure path]

But he’s saying that because he said that volt filament and egg of flealia are good on architect

[earnest drift]

it only drains when enemies are nearby

[light swan]

have you tried them? have you seen how much they help

[tulip spire]

I guess that’s an improvement on womb

[azure path]

???

[zealous talon]

i beg thoust pardon?

[earnest drift]

wispfire lantern is bad but better than glowing womb

[minor sparrow]

He's just fucking around

[azure path]

Architect doesn’t have any fucking silk skill slots last time I checked

[light swan]

check again buddy kiddo

[sharp slate]

i honestly havent used it enough to judge, but at least glowing womb doesnt miss...

[edgy niche]

Nah bro it’s a game changer

[azure path]

Ok I don’t feel like dealing with ts

[charred ruin]

true just get one silk heart and its infinite wisps with zero needle attacks

[zealous talon]

perhaps the architect silkskill was the friends we made along the way or something

[light swan]

rate my architect gameplay from a while ago

[tulip spire]

Injector band and warding bell should work with rune rage

[odd hull]

But it's disgusting

[small orbit]

When do u see warden fly

[azure path]

Idc / 10

[small orbit]

Im almost done the game and I haven’t seen the warden fly once

[earnest drift]

it deals about half the dmg of wispfire lantern so at most it balances out

[severe jasper]

Mf is using the barbed wire

[tulip spire]

No egg of flealia 0/10

[severe jasper]

Worst charm in the game btw

[eternal berry]

#hk-announcements has an unread message
looks inside
silksong announcement

[earnest drift]

barbed bracelet is S tier

[edgy niche]

Don’t judge my goat like that

[light swan]

why are you so mad

[eternal berry]

ok this is literally just skill issue

[zealous talon]

architect without any red tools equipped feels gross to look at, but still very clean none the less

[minor sparrow]

If you don't intend to get hit, wtf else would you use?

[azure path]

100% dmg taken for a 25% dmg boost? No thanks

[tulip spire]

Barbed bracelet is mid as fuck but it’s nowhere near the worst lol

[severe jasper]

Double damage taken for 25% more damage is objectively bad

[azure path]

Intent is different than gameplay

[light swan]

just... dont take damage???

[earnest drift]

why are you getting hit anyway

[edgy niche]

But the worst

[tulip spire]

Just don’t get hit

[vast grove]

aw man i thought the ping wouldve been sea of sorrow

[severe jasper]

YES

[edgy niche]

Really

[azure path]

Because I’m fucking ass at the game I’ve said this already

[light swan]

i dont get hit and barbed bracelet does wonders

if i was plannign on getting hit i wouldnt play this fuckass game lol

[minor sparrow]

Illusion is good enough to not get hit, so why wouldn't he use it? What else do you suggest he uses in its place?

[tulip spire]

I’m not nearly good enough to use the stupid bracelet but even I acknowledge that it’s useful if you meet the skill floor

[minor sparrow]

Like honest question

[earnest drift]

then improve and barbed bracelet will also improve

[edgy niche]

It saves me precious micro seconds when I was fighting lugoli

[zealous talon]

most players aren't beating phanteon 5 or lost lace, its only good if ur going for no hit or have alot of skill to back you up, to which most community doesn't have...plus 25% compared to strengths 50% or fury of the fallens 75% feels pitiful

[severe jasper]

Silksong has some useless charms. The barbed wire is the only charm that is an active DETRIMENT. Its 100% the worst in the game

[light swan]

so whats the problem that im using it

[tight viper]

Just don't get hit

It's good if you're good

[charred ruin]

to be fair fury of the fallen u gotta be at 1 hp

[tight viper]

It's bad if you're bad

[lavish apex]

barbed bracelet is generally a net negative, but if you're good enough to get through fights only taking one or 2 hits then it's fine

[charred ruin]

barbed bracelet buff takes effect no matter what hp ur at

[zealous talon]

oh theres no problem, if ur a master at it then more power to you, its drawback is just extremely steep for its rather mediocre payoff

[severe jasper]

The only use i can ever see that charm having is for slightly more damage against radiant bosses if they do that later on

[light swan]

fun fact this woudlnt be possible without barbed bracelet

[tulip spire]

There are plenty of things that are detrimental. Simply taking up slots is a cost. Like there are several tools that objectively are useless and just take up a slot. At least bracelet can be useful

[minor sparrow]

Taking up a slot and doing nothing is even more of a detriment imo

[earnest drift]

barbed bracelet is only a detriment if you get hit, and getting hit is already a detriment so barbed bracelet doesn’t make a negative difference

[edgy niche]

I love bracelet because I only use hunters and if I get hit out of my damage buff I never play again anyway

[light swan]

i bet the people in this chat dont like snitch pick

[minor sparrow]

Ok that's some fuckass reasoning but ok

[tulip spire]

Who up picking they snitch

[severe jasper]

Better than taking up a slot to do less than nothing

[azure path]

Okay I just don’t like barbed bracelet I admit it, but I don’t like feeling like I have to shut the fuck up and take the damage like a man unless I want to just force myself to get good to the point where I won’t get hit, but at that point idk if i would wanna keep playing the game

[earnest drift]

I love snitch pick

[charred ruin]

spider strings is worse cuz i promise u like 99% of players never use needolin unless needed

[zealous talon]

you just made me realize it kinda adds up, you die in 3 hits from most bosses with barbed bracelet for 25% damage if you dont heal, or die in 1 hit with fury of the fallen for 75% damage

[radiant charm]

What????

[zealous talon]

mmmathz

[minor sparrow]

At what point in that video is barbed bracelet a detriment for him?

[light swan]

4 hits minimum

[minor sparrow]

Please tell me

[tulip spire]

I mean I think it averages out to being mediocre due to the super high skill floor

[earnest drift]

strength and fury both cost more than barbed bracelet

[odd hull]

I hate strength so much

[severe jasper]

Im talking about in general. If you have no life, sure. It can work. But for people with a a job, its detrimental.

[charred ruin]

see exactly this why barbed bracelet 25% damage is pretty fair for its double damage when you think about mfing fury of the fallen players

[azure path]

I like a challenge but tanking damage and healing it back is my hell as a beast crest main

[zealous talon]

dont you take 4 damage from most bosses with barbed?

[tulip spire]

Oh barbed bracelet is garbage on beast yeah

[edgy niche]

Ok but when it works it’s way better than strings

[tight viper]

The game has been out for about half a year, people have gotten good at the game

[sharp slate]

For the average player barbed is not going to be good for them

[light swan]

youre right i thought you took 3 for some reason

[minor sparrow]

Being good at the game = no life I guess

[azure path]

I main beast

[minor sparrow]

Anyways, why are you talking about in general when we're talking about a specific case?

[earnest drift]

barbed bracelet is the second best tool in the game, right behind sawtooth circlet

[tight viper]

It really doesn't take that long to get good at the game once you've beaten it

[zealous talon]

i dont blame you, i thought voided damage was calculated weirdly anyway

[sharp slate]

Me having a full time job and one of the best hitless players on server

[earnest drift]

I’d equip barbed bracelet if it was blue

[tight viper]

6 months is plenty of time

[edgy niche]

Beast looks fun but I could never play it

[lavish apex]

i think if it was +1 mask instead of double there would be an argument for it being a good tool for casual players

[crisp pier]

The music in the citadel is lwk goated

[azure path]

I think that’s why I hate barbed bracelet- I’m a beast main and throwing myself face first into danger is like the first thing I do-

[charred ruin]

that applies to a lot of other tools too
some tools are great for some people others not so much its your personal choice how u wanna utilize tools

[earnest drift]

I’d be sad if it was blue though

[minor sparrow]

You specifically pointed out the use of the tool when it provides no detriment

[tulip spire]

Beast is fun but I hate walking around in the overworld with it

[severe jasper]

It also only improves your damage by 25%. For every 4 hits you get ONE extra hit in. That isn't worth it.

[tight viper]

so you'd be blue?

[azure path]

Same I use wanderer for general exploration

[light swan]

beast is great with barbed bracelet in my experience icl

[sharp slate]

to an extent i agree, I guess barbed amplifies it by being actively hamrful

[earnest drift]

if I was green I would die

[eternal berry]

this is called "skill issue" because its entirely worth it unless you're getting hit enough to negate that

[earnest drift]

why is bracelet bad on beast

[tight viper]

If you're good at the game, it is worth it. That's just how it works

If you're new to the game, it's not going to be a good tool for you to use

[earnest drift]

what other yellow tools increase dps

[sharp slate]

I honestly dont get why you guys are flaming them so much, they arent wrong, its a tool for a small subset of players

[crisp pier]

Sorry for breathing the same air as u

[edgy niche]

Beast gameplay looks weird when there’s no face tanking damage

[tight viper]

If you've had the game since release like myself and others, you'll likely have the skills to use Barbed Bracelet

[sharp slate]

sure they are a bit rude, but it is a very small subset of players

[earnest drift]

Jesus why does everyone keep talking shit about how small 25% is

[severe jasper]

I have about 90 hours. Ive done every boss exept lost lace. Im pretty sure i dont have a skill issue.

[azure path]

We have different playstyles and skill levels

[tulip spire]

But you’re using your brain you’re not supposed to do that

[earnest drift]

25% is normal for a single slot in this game

[zealous talon]

i mean this chat just convinced me about its potential, if you're skilled eough its basically a direct upgrade, for most players they'll never use it but if you no life it, it is a definitive positive in every aspect...not for me tho, i just dont like the spikes behind the mask

[light swan]

which is why i said in my experience :D

[minor sparrow]

Again, what's the point of not using it though? What else are you going to put there that would serve you better, especially if you aren't getting hit often

[earnest drift]

volt filament gives 25% and I don’t see anyone giving it any crap

[lavish apex]

25% is a lot for every single needle attack

[light swan]

snitch pick is great and its a 25% buff

[severe jasper]

The point of not using it is not taking 4 damage per hit

[earnest drift]

I love snitch pick so much ahhhhh

[sharp slate]

If a pantheon existed i wouldnt expect people to be equipping barbed braclet off the bat for example

[zealous talon]

now to be fair, volt does grant 0 downsides, and buffs spells which already have some of the highest damage per attack in the game

[lavish apex]

volt filament is more like 30-35%

[light swan]

and in skill levels like these barbed bracelet is fucking amazing

which means theres no way its the worst

[tulip spire]

Okay more specifically it’s bad on the median beast playstyle which is turning your brain off and just dps racing

[azure path]

Silk skills have a much higher base damage so 25% goes farther than needle hits

[light swan]

no its 25%

[azure path]

I never said it was the worst?

[earnest drift]

but it’s +15 dmg for every 4 silk that sucks

[crisp pier]

It's like fury

[light swan]

i know someone who did

[minor sparrow]

Yes, for an average player it isn't worth it, but for the case we're talking about, we're not talking about an average player

[zealous talon]

-# the 7 year silksong wait drove many to insanity. do not undermined the desperation and insanity many have been inflicted with.

[earnest drift]

volt filament gives less dmg than a single needle hit

[sharp slate]

kinda, fury has an even higher skill requirement sadly

[lavish apex]

it also adds a variable amount of ticks of 5 flat damage

[edgy niche]

Ok but like nobody uses spider strings either and bracket at least is good after some practice at the game

[tight viper]

I'm just saying that you aren't in a position to take advantage of Barbed Bracelet. You've not even beaten the final boss. If you do mods and shit like the Pantheon of Pharloom and practice the bosses you enjoy, you'll get better at them and you'll be able to use Bracelet if you wished. That's the point of the tool. Risk and reward, and more skills means less chance that the risk will matter

[crisp pier]

Not rlly if u have the lifeblood room unlocked

[light swan]

oh true, i think it was 2 ticks of 3 or 5

[azure path]

I can’t do mods I play on switch-

[minor sparrow]

In the clip you watched, 3 of them, the player does not suffer a detriment because of barbed bracelet. There is no reason for the player to not use barbed bracelet

[sharp slate]

I guess the point of arguing for the usage of barbed is for optional challenges basically

its not used in speedrunning currently* YET

[light swan]

rate shaman gameplay

[zealous talon]

buuuut its overall safer, most players few even slight downsides in this game like life or death, have you seen players first reaction to the high halls gauntlet? i swear half of these mf's forget clawline exists or forget that enemy hitboxes deal damage-

[severe jasper]

Flukenest is ass. Speedrunnners use flukenest for its lingering hitblxes to do extra damage. That doesn't suddenly make it good. This is the same situation. The charm is ass. If you never take any damage ever, fine, I guess its OK. but as a whole IT IS STILL ASS

[inland sparrow]

Fried chicken🥹 🤤

[edgy niche]

Why does this look more like beast gameplay compared to the beast clip

[crisp pier]

I never fought that boss, is there a secret door in the docks?

[light swan]

"i guess its ok" its fucking great

[azure path]

I just like any shaman gameplay 10/10

[tight viper]

That just means it's niche, and in that niche it's pretty damn good

[lavish apex]

silkspear gets 2 ticks of 5 for 10 more, which actually pushes it closer to a 50% boost than 25%

[light swan]

keep playing the game i wont spoil you

[zealous talon]

but i like my ugly shotgun tho :<

[minor sparrow]

I never said the charm is good though, did I? I said there's no reason for him not to run the charm

[sharp slate]

yea but its one of the few damaging blues, and you are probably using alot of silk skills

[azure path]

Did bro really just say fluke nest was bad??

[minor sparrow]

You're arguing a point I never made and wasn't the focus

[light swan]

why the fuck would i ever silkspear when i can just animation cancel for the same damage

why the fuck would i sharpdart when i can just spogo twice

[earnest drift]

I’d rather equip memory crystal because 34 is more than 15

[severe jasper]

I haven't done the final boss because I just reached them today. Also, if a charm requires you to do extremely hard mods for hours on end to be able to put them to use, it isn't good.

[tight viper]

Shaman is fun

[sharp slate]

Flukenest is good in that specific senario, but yea i would say in general flukenest is bad

[tight viper]

It doesn't require you to do extremely hard mods for hours on end

[azure path]

Who the fuck remembers to use their silksills.

[earnest drift]

and one mask equals 3 silk, and 34 dmg per 3 silk is more than 15 dmg per 4 silk
so memory crystal > volt filament

[tight viper]

It requires practice, sure, but not an obscene amount

[zealous talon]

cuz i-frames goated

[azure path]

Who doesn’t make like shaman or sum

[light swan]

let’s also talk about our goats

[severe jasper]

Thats literally what im saying. If you have no life and never get hit, the charm is good. But for anyone else it is still ass

[lavish apex]

this is just not true because of the flat damage lol

[tulip spire]

Tbf I do really think the hitboxes on the flying fucks on hhg are a bit wonky

[edgy niche]

My glorious king hunter

[minor sparrow]

Bro kinda just ignored that rock lol

[severe jasper]

Then why did you say I should do extremely hard mods for hours on end before using it

[sharp slate]

I agree with same with barbed braclet, everything needs context is the problem

[earnest drift]

single needle hit is 36 dmg, volt filament gives 25

[light swan]

more goat stuff

[tight viper]

I didn't, I just said that replaying bosses with the Pantheon of Pharloom mod would make it easier to practice bosses

[mental acorn]

new patch! yay! this could mean sea of sorrow comes out late april or mid may

[tight viper]

It has a godhome feature

[azure path]

How do you get image perms?

[lavish apex]

oh if you're talking about maxed focus hunter with bracelet that's completely different

[mental acorn]

300 messages

[earnest drift]

anyway why is barbed bracelet bad on beast crest?

[azure path]

Ahh

[minor sparrow]

Frito said you can use mods to practice

[tulip spire]

Pale nails is actually pretty good on wanderer because you just have unlimited silk forever so might as well have more dps

[tight viper]

I like to think that the Beastfly knocked it loose when it rammed into it

[edgy niche]

Wait why is like every clip karm

[azure path]

Because instead of running into mobs and then face tanking dmg and then healing it back they decided to use their brain

[mental acorn]

it's tradeoff is terrible on ALL crests, it's fine if you dont get hit very often or have multibinder. maybe even helpful so you can get extended rage duration faster

[minor sparrow]

It's easier to practice when you can press like 4 buttons to get to the boss than replay a run or continue save quitting

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-cat-with-orange-cute-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-13584013934695478445

[sharp slate]

To be honest I don't think anyone is disagreeing here tbh, barbed braclet is used for obscure/high level stuff and challenges and in GENERAL is bad/deterimental to players

[azure path]

Karm is fucking peak why wouldn’t she be

[light swan]

because that was the most recent boss i played and i dont want to scroll further back in my phone

[zealous talon]

is it bad that i had a harder time on karmelita to the point where i struggled to see all the public praise for the fight. then i did with lost lace?

[edgy niche]

Fair

[earnest drift]

if you take more dmg with one hit, doesn’t that mean you can take dmg less times to get more bind time, resulting in better dps?

[inland ravine]

hello silksong chat

[azure path]

Huh?

[tulip spire]

What stealth nerfs happened in the new patch gang

[light swan]

lace content

[mental acorn]

hi ORGANGE person hurricane.

[zealous talon]

babbyyy!!

[edgy niche]

Witch crest

[lavish apex]

thread storm in particular can get 35 more damage out of filament at pale steel

[azure path]

Gng can someone translate what they’re asking me idk what they’re saying g

[inland sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-grey-cat-cute-cat-gif-2949633679466643461

[edgy niche]

Also peak

[inland ravine]

hi ash and frito and lace and fun and illusion and balazs and knight

[pure shoal]

Hollow knight Zoteboat or Hollow knight pablo

[inland ravine]

hi :D

[severe jasper]

Pablo

[severe jasper]

What about me slenderman 😢

[mental acorn]

hollow knight sylphsong

[light swan]

can we give volt filament to witch bind

[mental acorn]

slug simulator

[inland ravine]

hi :D

[tulip spire]

HK3 Zoteboat & Pablo

[sharp slate]

please no lol

[pure shoal]

Shakra or cornifer

[earnest drift]

beast bind lasts longer if you heal a mask, so it benefits from tanking
so if the boss deals 2 dmg, you have to get hit twice before binding to be able to use the full bind time

with barbed bracelet on, the boss now deals 4 dmg, so you only have to get hit once before binding to use the full bind time

[severe jasper]

Hi

[odd hull]

No, Karmelita it's a hard fight and completely new. You fought lace 2 times already

[inland sparrow]

No

[earnest drift]

this is assuming you only take dmg when you want to

[light swan]

203 damage isnt that much

[pure shoal]

Shakra helped me get through those ants

[mental acorn]

shakra is cool and all but does she leave a polite card behind? i dont think so.

[inland sparrow]

Tbh I prefer Shakra

[sharp slate]

some people struggle with karm more than LL probably just due to style of fight

[earnest drift]

Shakra all the way

[azure path]

It’s not just about bind time, it’s about being able to land enough hits to have enough silk to bind as well

[earnest drift]

cornifraud

[sharp slate]

i struggled on LL signficantly more than karm

[edgy niche]

If gd wasn’t a game I played I would be fuming at karmalita

[minor sparrow]

Same

[inland sparrow]

bapanda

[pure shoal]

Witch or Shaman
The two most underused crests

[zealous talon]

im hoping thats the case i really wanna like the karmalite fight but it was just a pain for me, and i enjoyed everything else in the game before and after....except for savage beastfly rematch, i'd prob be better now but that things summons...die.

[sharp slate]

what is gd.... my brain is only thing geometry dash

[minor sparrow]

But I also had more fun on LL than karm so I was pretty motivated to keep going

[light swan]

some non karmelita clips

[earnest drift]

witch is NOT underused

[odd hull]

Shakra, I like her song more

[edgy niche]

Yeah that

[azure path]

Guys what’s the best boss fight in the game in your opinion

[pure shoal]

oh

[earnest drift]

lost face

[azure path]

I for one liked savage beastfly

[earnest drift]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[zealous talon]

....so wut if instead of a godhome, we get the ability to rematch bosses in the steel city if thats still being added?? i dont think team cherry would do god home a second time

[pure shoal]

Karmelita
That boss gave me like NKG vibes

[azure path]

Only because it gave me beast crest

[sharp slate]

karm or second sentinel

[jade sonnet]

hi chat

[inland sparrow]

Lost lace or skarrsinger karmelita

[edgy niche]

This is so valid

[light swan]

more

[zealous talon]

R A T

[light swan]

second sentinel

[inland sparrow]

hello

[jade sonnet]

rah

[azure path]

I liked Seth bossfight a lot, it was hard and it was fun

[jade sonnet]

im in act 3 now but im confused what to do

[edgy niche]

Which crest bind tickles my brain in ways that cannot be discribed

[lavish apex]

karmelita is a masterpiece of a boss

[tight viper]

Don't die

[pure shoal]

Atleast seth didnt tp as much as shakra fight

[azure path]

Void

[jade sonnet]

ok

[pure shoal]

Just like nkg

[azure path]

Do some shenanigans in deep docks

That should get you started

[earnest drift]

better than nkg

[jade sonnet]

i did that

[tulip spire]

Zote the Mighty

[mental acorn]

i like beast crest pogo so much the only fault it has is the big "chargeup"

[zealous talon]

hehehehe life steely nuke silly, mwehehhehe

[azure path]

You do not speak of my king like that

[jade sonnet]

i belldived

[azure path]

I don’t think he’s in silksong

[earnest drift]

nightmare bum grimm

[light swan]

have some of this

[pure shoal]

Khan was so underwhelming

The arena was more difficult

[zealous talon]

best boss is subjective....i enjoy the hell out of last judge and forth chorus, but i know for certain those aint the best ones

speaking of which, if we get some sort of way harder forth chorus fight in a dlc i will be so happy

[azure path]

Man sybau vro

[edgy niche]

Watching this just gave me an insane burst of dopamine

[azure path]

It is an opinion question

[earnest drift]

btw I calculated that a fully extended witch needle strike with challenge, barbed bracelet and flintslate deals slightly more dmg than this

[odd hull]

You don't need to force yourself into liking her, don't worry. I personally find pantheon 5 to be bullshit, but several people like it
Do you want any tips for her btw?

[azure path]

Lace and phantom are here gng

[light swan]

man fuck this shit wtf

[inland sparrow]

I hope they make fourth chorus harder in pantheons like they did with the mantis lords and nosk

[earnest drift]

to be fair no one uses challenge

[light swan]

im not upset because at least its witch crest but like bruh

[zealous talon]

i actually rly would, even tho i play on switch so i cant download a mod to refight her-

why switch? idk continuity, got hollowknight on there, felt wrong not to get skong

[mental acorn]

Last Judge or Forebrothers Signis & Gron

[tulip spire]

I’ve got some issues with Karm but mostly I just find her block to be visually unclear and possibly sort of overkill on a boss with an already kinda chunky health pool

[light swan]

glad to have helped

[zealous talon]

ooo signis and gron, i forgot about those two but they're really good!

[light swan]

i need a bind compilation

[zealous talon]

GOD I WANNA REFIGHT EVERYONE SO BAD!!

[light swan]

i need more witchc rest aurafarming compilations ngl, ive made 2 but i could do better

[azure path]

Well she is like the queen of a colony of soldiers she would be really tanky and powerful

[edgy niche]

I was very surprised that the boss didn’t fry any of my Joy cons joysticks

[light swan]

the FREN lining up is so peak

[tight viper]

Almost cleared the Forebrothers a little while ago, but Signis lured me into a trap before I realized what was happening

[tulip spire]

Oh yeah that’s fine it’s just like it feels weirdly arbitrary and it took me longer than I would have liked to figure out when it was ok to attack her

[light swan]

sigma and grok are fun, they should be an act 3 boss

[azure path]

Her block should be more clear

[tulip spire]

Signis and Gron are like a C- boss

Hey gang let’s design a dual boss fight where neither party has any synergy at all

[edgy niche]

I swear that’s what I called them when I fought them for the first time

[zealous talon]

i made it to act 3 when i realized just how detrimental joycon drift is, i mean first sinner with that garbage so i went with the 4 directional buttons (i forgot their name)...nnnever going back to joycon for this game

[zealous talon]

-# ur smelly

[azure path]

What’s your favorite area in the game? It can be a memory area or a hidden area or fucking moss grotto I just want ur opinions

[light swan]

i need to separate my witch guide into each individual part

[edgy niche]

Never had drift but it seems pretty bad

[light swan]

definitely bilewater

[tulip spire]

Unironically bilewater

[azure path]

Okay unironically bile water is really interesting

[inland sparrow]

Bilewater

[edgy niche]

Bile water is cool

[azure path]

I see we have some bile water lovers

[light swan]

see this is why sk-discussion is the goat

[zealous talon]

fight first sinner, while ur joycon randomly decides to go left at the most random and unpredictable of moments

[tulip spire]

I did bilewater for the first time at like 3am on too little sleep and I think it chemically damaged something

Because it was sort of magical tbh

[light swan]

i still have my massive bilewater copypasta

[azure path]

Anyhow I like lost Verdania and I really liked how pretty voltnest was, the creepiness of white ward is also cool and I honestly really liked the void too

[edgy niche]

I did it in like 2 attempts but it did require a lot of quick movement in the sticks so I could see why that would be really annoying

[tight viper]

Whiteward is peak

[tulip spire]

Least favorite area is that fuckass jump outside the slab

[zealous talon]

choral chambers tho thats prob a coldtake opinion...the moment i got there for the first time after the underworks, last judge, blasted steps, holy hell it felt even more magical then getting to city of tears for me, felt like entering heaven itself

[azure path]

Whiteward is peak

[tulip spire]

Or honestly wisp thicket kinda sucks

[edgy niche]

Mountfay was probably my favourite going in it the first time

[tight viper]

Wisp is neat

[tulip spire]

Great atmosphere, zero fun to be in

[azure path]

Whisp thicket can go die idc

[tight viper]

Wisp is pretty fire

[azure path]

Yess

[zealous talon]

whisp thicket very stinky, theres not even anything after you beat the boss, not even any unique enemies afterwards!!

[azure path]

Whisp thicket feels weirdly nostalgic and I don’t know why 😓

[light swan]

what do you guys think of the tool idea

sawtooth circlet but for dash

[onyx owl]

Mount Fay

[azure path]

Ooo

[light swan]

less easy to be abused but still awesome

[zealous talon]

dark foresty atmosphere, i can see why, a rather common aesthetic sssseveral years back, stuff like gravity falls use the environment extremely well -p-

[azure path]

Wait it’s cool

[light swan]

im gonna keep posting this until everyone has seen it

[timid sky]

So a silkless sharpdart basically

[raw pawn]

oh wait silkosar can pass through room transitions in the base game now? (not the beta)

[light swan]

well no iframes

[zealous talon]

-# beta sands of karak

[light swan]

and it shoots a projectile forward

[onyx owl]

It has... similar nihilistic feels to hollow knight

[eager creek]

Welcome back sharp shadow

[light swan]

guys its not a shade dash 😭

[edgy niche]

It’s great on the first time and the atmosphere of the area is still great but you only go back 2 times so I never really appreciated it that much after getting cloak

[timid sky]

This feels a bit similar to an idea i had for a personal MV

[light swan]

if anything it buffs dashing away and towards bosses but it is NOT an iframes dash

[azure path]

No it’s because I got stuck in a museum in a forest section, it was really hot and I didn’t know what to do (I think it was an exhibit about early humans because there was a fake fire)

I just remembered

[tight viper]

Does it override sawtooth, or does sawtooth override it in any situation

[tulip spire]

It’s cool but maybe too good. It’d be disgusting on wanderer because of its dash combo

[onyx owl]

I just loved the vibes tbh wish it had a hard boss fight and more content

[light swan]

probably both apply

[rugged hazel]

hello

[earnest drift]

when comparing single attacks with extremely high dmg, do we include quick sling + voltvessels bola (180 dmg)

[light swan]

wanderers dash attack sucks though

[onyx owl]

Abyss was also nice

[zealous talon]

..actually would be kind of a cool idea if the downdash let out a lil shockwave of flames, could be a defensive tool in gauntlets if ur surrounded, circlet into down fire wave to get more space if surrounded

[rugged hazel]

how do i get the voice chat role

[edgy niche]

I mean it technically does

Just as a separate quest

[onyx owl]

My definition of hard is something like NKG

[light swan]

these are the main things where this could be way too op

[zealous talon]

thaaaat, honestly i feel nostalgic for the place too but i got no clue why -p-

[light swan]

otherwise its just weaker sawtooth circlet

[edgy niche]

I’ve unironically done nkg so much I can’t do normal grim anymore

[onyx owl]

Relatable

[zealous talon]

the hell is even going on in the 3rd video

[light swan]

the first 2 already deal more damage than most silk skills and the last one deals damage faster than wanderer spam so wispfirecloak could snowball these

otherwise its just a dash attack buff and stuff

i dont think too many new combos would arise from this

[tulip spire]

It’s one of the more consistent ones imo, you can chain it into a pogo or mash slash on your way to the floor if the target is big

[light swan]

i mean of all the strong dash attacks though i just dont think wanderers is it its like only better than shaman i feel

because of how much time it wastes

[edgy niche]

I don’t think I’ve ever used wanderers crest before icl

[tulip spire]

Reaper’s dash is shit lol

[light swan]

and with a crest like wanderer youre much better off just stopping to attack normally

id prefer reaper dash attack over wanderer

the one time reaper is faster than wanderer

[tulip spire]

I think it’s fine for closing distances

[azure path]

I had a charm idea back in hollow knight, I had a whole oc and a side quest for him too, I thought the grimm troupe was way too small for how grand it felt, the oc isn’t important but I remember that the boss fight phases were kinda cool if someone wants to hear about that lmk, but the charm was like swift step or whatever it was called that let u run faster, but you left a small trail of fire behind you that caused damage to enemies

[tulip spire]

Clawline is more useful though

[light swan]

definitely

[zealous talon]

well id love to hear it :D

[earnest drift]

I love clawline

[strange knot]

Same

[tulip spire]

Clawline saved my ass for cursed gms

[light swan]

imagine if we got a blue tool that buffed clawline wouldnt it be really good

[opaque vale]

Last update before sea of sorrow huh

[tulip spire]

The stagger combo on that shit rocked

[earnest drift]

snitch pick…

[zealous talon]

people who dont love clawline dont exist i thinks

[light swan]

im only scared of how strong rdac chains will be with wispfire cloak

[earnest drift]

I want red tools to be fixed : (

[light swan]

everything else sounds balanced in my head

realistically theres no way itll be able to be comboed like sawtooth circlet i feel

outside of rdac chains

[earnest drift]

what is wispfire cloak

[edgy niche]

I genuinely don’t touch them aside from flintslate and flea brew

[zealous talon]

i meen a architect main, started as reaper, and mostly use arch, witch, and shaman now...but lemme tell you, the thrill of wanderers is hard to match for any others

[light swan]

the thing i’ve been sending

[odd hull]

Oh, ok. It's nothing crazy, probably you already know this stuff but I hope it helps.
You can hit the boomerangs to avoid damage (I think your tools can also hit them, but I'm not sure now); You can tell she's going to throw the second wave if she keeps spinning after the first one. You can dodge most of her attacks by double jumping above her head and going to the other side, just don't fully commit if she throws a boomerang on her last phase, as you can easily be caught when falling. Use crawline to approach her rapidly or get out of range. Keep your distance if you're not comfortable with how much she moves and don't be afraid of wall jumping to the other side if she's too close.
Also, use your silkskill, they're very good (Cross Stitch it's really useful here and easier than it seems)

[undone gate]

Does the 3rd hit of Snitch Pick count towards a stagger

[earnest drift]

does the dash give inv frames

[earnest drift]

yes

[light swan]

nope its purely a projectile

[edgy niche]

I would but I’ve gotten a crippling addiction to hunters and witch

[undone gate]

Doesn't that just make it super easy to stagger bosses

[light swan]

omg lemme talk about my journey

[earnest drift]

yes

that’s part of why snitch pick is amazing

[zealous talon]

if the range is a problem, longclaw is a god sent, i cant go without it on wanderer, id rather not turn my weapon into a toothpick

[earnest drift]

not great for absrad though

well clawline is good for absrad but I deal so much dmg at close range with sawtooth that I don’t get many chances to use snitch pick

[edgy niche]

I might give it a shot eventually then

[tight viper]

It would be cool if the cloak worked alongside sawtooth here

[undone gate]

I mean AbsRad doesn't have normal staggers neighter do bosses like Fourth Chorus, Clover Dancers, Unraveled

[azure path]

Okay so I named him Arrow because I thought it was cool but the boss fight was split into two separate fights.

In the first phase it would be a lot like normal boss fights, nothing special, you would get an achievement called firestarter for beating the fight

In the second phase he would be a lot faster, dealing double damage. It would be called his ignited form, you would get the achievement ‘extinguished’ for beating him

There would be a secret third phase that was actually just really hard, he super fast and does lingering damage if you don’t focus. You would get the achievement ‘try hard’ for beating him.

There was some other stuff but I forgor

[light swan]

yea

[azure path]

Sorry for text wall please don’t banish me to the shadow realm

[light swan]

OOPS LOL

[tight viper]

wrong reply

[edgy niche]

Noooo I wanted to read that

[raw pawn]

lmao

[zealous talon]

..damn i might just be dumb then, i did all of this and still struggled terribly..then again i was using beast crest (cuz i wanted to kill atleast 1 boss with every crest and completely forgot about beast...never got a boss kill with beast either cuz karm was the last one before LL for me) tho the boomerange indication is rly gud for me to know :D

[earnest drift]

what’s the most visually impressive attack hornet can do

[light swan]

started off as reaper
every other crest just had some dealbreaker so i stuck with it for suuper long
met witch crest, my fcuking beloved it made me drop reaper because of how good it was
started using wanderer for exploration
learned shaman
did my speedrun achievement, got more into hunter, it was my main crest outside of witch
started playing architect with no red tools
at some point decided to try flea bounce with both architect and beast, it was super fun
started playing some beast more

now i use every crest a lot

[light swan]

probably witch bind or witch dash attack

[tulip spire]

Probably warding bind

[azure path]

Witch crest bind mulitbinder injector bands claw mirror and whatever makes it more flashy

Warding bell

[light swan]

must i send the warding bind video again? :D

[azure path]

Oh lord

[zealous talon]

hhuh, sounds rather similar to the grim fights, minus the secret 3rd phase which i do like the concept of!

[tulip spire]

What deal breaker does wanderer have lol

[earnest drift]

personally I like beast spogos because hornet becomes two circular saws, one spinning vertically and the other spinning horizontally

[azure path]

It had a lot more concepts but I made it like 4 years ago

[light swan]

small range, at the time i was a parry nerd so i loved reapers range to parry more attacks more easily

[undone gate]

I thought you didn't like parrying

[tulip spire]

This is funny considering how much easier it is to parry with wanderer

[azure path]

So like I’m doin it off memory lol

[light swan]

hmm

[odd hull]

Pogo

[light swan]

yea well i wasnt too good at the time

[zealous talon]

ah alright, i do like ur creative mind tho! :>

[azure path]

:>

[zealous talon]

-# mah eyes

[tulip spire]

Oh no the second best pogo in the game

[light swan]

i still hate wanderer pogo lol

[odd hull]

Second worst

[zealous talon]

also ur pfp is bee, so ur already great

[tight viper]

Wanderer pogo sucks

[tulip spire]

Why? It’s easy to control and extremely responsive?

[tight viper]

It's so damn boring and doesn't interact with momentum at all

[azure path]

Arrow has been turned from a hollow knight oc into a general oc of mine and he’s not actually related to hollow knight anymore lol

[tulip spire]

Half the pogos in this game have obnoxious startup lag

[zealous talon]

wanderer pogo is so weird, to me its both one of the best and worst pogos in the game

[light swan]

its so fast theres 0 room for error, pinky range, i think it has the lowest bounce, and if i miss it i just get straight down immediately which isnt too bad

[azure path]

Hehe beast pogo hornet saw hehe

[zealous talon]

fastest pogo 100%, very straight forward hitbox unlike arch, witch, shaman, reaper...beast...basically every single one

[tulip spire]

Just don’t miss 5head

[light swan]

im also really used to architect pogo and beast pogo and reaper pogo and those stuff

[edgy niche]

I love hunters pogo

[zealous talon]

but its range its horrid

[light swan]

so the timing throws me off

which doesnt make it bad btw its just a me thing

[zealous talon]

i looove architect pogo

so much so i made it to the nameless city using it

[light swan]

me too

[azure path]

I’m still proud that I beat gms with beast pogo as my final move 🥹

[light swan]

me too

[tulip spire]

I thought witch had worse bounce than wanderer tbh

[light swan]

i dont think it does idk though

[zealous talon]

now THATS wut im talking bout!!

[tulip spire]

You get kinda slurped into the enemy hitbox

[light swan]

but you get teleported back out before applying the bounce

[zealous talon]

doesn't the witch crest offer i-frames??

[azure path]

Witch is only weird when you’re pogoing off an enemy in my experience

[tight viper]

Depends on the angle you hit the enemy at, I reckon

[edgy niche]

That would look really cool

[nocturne delta]

i found alot of bugs the most urgent is cronchfly

[azure path]

If I had image perms I would send a video

[tulip spire]

It has better I frames yeah I just think witch has worse height

[zealous talon]

like hornet literally just disappears and ur kinda just stuck there, it feels like it should

[light swan]

archipogo my beloved

[zealous talon]

oh heavens no its height is rly good, its hitbox is just weirdly shaped, and stalls u in the air for a split sec

[light swan]

witch probably has less height

[tulip spire]

Wanderer I frames are not great for pogo. Just don’t miss

[azure path]

Reaper pogo 🤤

[light swan]

wrong 2nd viedo

idk where the video i was loooking for is

[edgy niche]

I only used reaper pogo for flea bounce and still fumbled and went back to hunters

[tulip spire]

Archpogo for flea bounce is serial killer behavior

[azure path]

I fucking hate it but it’s so peak when I’ve tried every crest I normally use 🤤

[light swan]

anyway ive talked about why at the highest level wanderer pogo sucks though

wanderer, shaman, and reaper pogo all fall in the same boat but shaman at least is wanderer but better in every way

[undone gate]

Architect pogo was really good against Nyleth when I did a no tool Architect clear against Nyleth

[azure path]

Flea dodge made me question my life choices

[odd hull]

Lol Beast is a challenge by itself, congrats. I struggled against Karmelita too (took me idk 3h to beat her, I can't notice time while playing), but was having a blast and hope you can have fun with her too! Glad atleast one thing there was useful

[zealous talon]

im hoping in whatever boss rematch system they do, they include a sort of badge showcasing you beat a boss with a specific crest equipped, that'd be ALOT of replayability and i would love it

[undone gate]

Shaman Pogo is really good since it's range is insane

[tulip spire]

I just like how immediate wanderer pogo feels. Reaper pogo feels so fucking stiff and unresponsive and I do not get the hype over it

[azure path]

I love abusing Nyleth with drill and curvesickle

[azure path]

It’s the massive coverage

You have a lot of wiggle room if ur off trajectory

[undone gate]

It's a 180 degree coverage meaning that it's really easy to hit your enemy with it

[zealous talon]

nyleth, more like byleth....
-# god im so fucking cool-

[edgy niche]

I literally just cant use downwards pogos anymore

[light swan]

yea the hype is the range but no one really likes it anyway

[smoky bridge]

Mio Soilers:
God DAMNIT why did they make ||Sol and Vin|| like that

[azure path]

Ok bro 🥹

[edgy niche]

It has to be diagonal or I can’t hit it

[light swan]

really easy attacks but very punishing

[tulip spire]

Maybe just due to preferring pogo in HK I’ve just never found hitting a down pogo particularly hard

[tight viper]

Shaman pogo is peak

[smoky bridge]

They are very overstimulating with the rapid teleport fakeouts.

[undone gate]

I found every pogo in Silksong to be pretty easy to learn

[tulip spire]

Beast is the one I still can’t really do

[light swan]

they dont do anything until they lock it in though, for me its free damage and it always has been

[azure path]

Even beast?

[azure path]

Holy shit it’s the pure vessel

[smoky bridge]

Beast isn't even that hard to use!

[undone gate]

Just imagine it as a dash that it also a pogo

[zealous talon]

while wander requires high fast reaction timing, reaper requires high prediction, lead ur enemies into it after then have it for reaction timing, its ffffat hitbox helps with this even more

[smoky bridge]

I am biting you.

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-14514797702729285380

[odd hull]

I like my pogos with atleast 45 degrees

[edgy niche]

What am I looking at

[zealous talon]

pure vessal pogo'ing anything would send it straight into the abyss-

[light swan]

the average beast crest user

[azure path]

How do you feel about architect pogo then

[smoky bridge]

Beast crest pogo has an amazing amount of air controll.

[pulsar trout]

How so

[smoky bridge]

You can get basically ANYWERE

[zealous talon]

...wait why didn't i think of this?!?!

[smoky bridge]

With the Beast Cwest pogo.

[light swan]

pogoing them twice?

[azure path]

Cwest

[zealous talon]

no just using beast crest in general for that

[smoky bridge]

Yeah that was on purpose

[light swan]

oh idk maybe its cuz beast pogo is different and more difficult

[azure path]

I know

[zealous talon]

its like having a second clawline-

[odd hull]

Don't like it. I hate architect as a whole, but the pogo feels so small and having to charge it doesn't work for me.

[azure path]

Hehe

[odd hull]

Hunter and Witch on the other hand..

[light swan]

architect pogo is a sniper rifle and no one can debate this

[edgy niche]

This statement is so peak

[smoky bridge]

People really overstate how small the Archi pogo is

It's not that short.

[light swan]

i think architect has the pogo with the biggest range tbh

[tulip spire]

For me it’s the 2 business days you need to wait for it to connect

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but people realise you have to charge it and they get upset and mad.

[azure path]

Biggest range up with beast and reaper

[light swan]

crazy fucking range

[smoky bridge]

Even tho it literally pays you back in spades.

[tight viper]

The humble still image:

[light swan]

this is before you realize the horizontal distance is crazy too

[odd hull]

Yeah, probably. But it doesn't feels good to use

[light swan]

well if it was moving the range would increase

[smoky bridge]

By having obscene range and good damage.

[light swan]

here it is ig

[smoky bridge]

I would never, but that was fire.

[tulip spire]

I think possibly part of me actually just thinks pogos feel better at short range tbh

[azure path]

You gently caressed that fleas hitbox vro

[smoky bridge]

Not good enough at flea pogo I am.
I did pretty far with Beast. But. To win I had to go reapuh

[tulip spire]

I feel like this is just like 30 years of Mario talking

[azure path]

Reapuh, awww man

[smoky bridge]

It kinda depends on the build.

[edgy niche]

You might wanna change the ending of reaper

[azure path]

Okay I need to go to bed now I’m about to pass out

[tulip spire]

I just don’t like doing trigonometry to jump on an enemy

[azure path]

Y?

[smoky bridge]

The one problem I have with Beast is that all it's special attacks (pogo charge dash) are designed to close the distance, but once you have already closed it, they are just gonna make you bump. And get contact damage.

[light swan]

its funner that way

[tulip spire]

Let me just smush my hurtbox into them

[edgy niche]

Nvm I’m sure it’s not a big deal

[azure path]

No what were u gonna say?

[tulip spire]

This is very old man yells at cloud shit

[edgy niche]

This is a great idea

[raw pawn]

lmao

[light swan]

trigonometry just show skill expression and skill = fun

[edgy niche]

I will not be elaborating

[light swan]

also dealing 2x damage per pogo is crazy satisfying

[tulip spire]

Tbf I think also timing the jump correctly is skill expression

[smoky bridge]

Until that bastard Father of the flame shows up and kicks your sand castle over.

[tulip spire]

You were talking about the MOE on wanderer being too small and simply just don’t make errors

[light swan]

nah my issue with wanderer is purely a me thing not being used to it

i have no problems with wanderer pogo involving that

[smoky bridge]

I don't like wanderer it is too short and send you too high for how short it jsss

[light swan]

also that was months ago right after i did beast bounce and architect bounce, obviously i wouldnt be used to it lol

[light swan]

it sends you really really low btw

[tulip spire]

Wanderer doesn’t have a high bounce lol

[smoky bridge]

It's really inefficient at skull surgery still.

[tulip spire]

Which is a good thing unless you’re doing flea bounce

[light swan]

yea its a good thing

[odd hull]

Indeed

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but the difference is hunter and Beast you can come at it from the side. And more comfortably cancel into DJ or dash to stay mostly level.

[light swan]

but pogos sending you up at all is a bad thing for unless youre witch crest

which is why hunter has wavedashing to make it good, architect has 2x damage to make it good, and beast has a completely different use case scenario

[zealous talon]

...which one was flea bounce again?? cuz i almost beat seths score with witch crest on a flea game that required bouncing of some kind

[light swan]

better to be next to your enemy than above

[tulip spire]

Clawline->pogo

[light swan]

(in high level gp ofc)

[strange knot]

Why? Wouldn’t you get hit a lot for no reason every time if pogos didn’t send you up

[tulip spire]

If they send you too high it’s hard to chain them

[light swan]

yea but you still wanna be next to your enemy rather than above if you wanna deal more damage

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but you want to stay to the side so you can keep smacking them.

[tight viper]

Shaman pogo propaganda

[light swan]

so generally all pogos, while safe, are bad

[zealous talon]

grubberflies were onto something all this time man!

[strange knot]

Palestag actually looks kind of fun floorless

[light swan]

except for beast architect hunter and witch

[tulip spire]

Don’t give them ideas

[tight viper]

It is until you get stuck to the platforms/floor

[zealous talon]

[tight viper]

Too late

[smoky bridge]

Beast Crest and Hunter are my fav pogos cause they have the ability to Iframe dash through the enemy.

And are very easy to cancel out of.

[tulip spire]

Beast crest pogo seems good I just suck at it

[tight viper]

Overall though Palestag was pretty fun to do with no floor

[tulip spire]

I always overshoot

[tight viper]

required a lot of patience

[tight viper]

Elegy is so close to being peak

[smoky bridge]

You might be pushing the joystick towards the direction Ur going.

[light swan]

so does witch

[smoky bridge]

However! I suck ass at witch.

[odd hull]

Damn, I can't play HK anymore after an entire run with Hunter.

[strange knot]

My fav pogos are witch and shaman and hunter

[smoky bridge]

I have the habit of failing to get out of the enemy hitbox.

[odd hull]

Keep missing the pogo

[smoky bridge]

So I pogo and get hit.

[zealous talon]

if it wasn't being a zelda reference with deciding to only exist at max health, it might even be considered busted

[tulip spire]

The only beef I have with Hunter is it feels kinda slow

[light swan]

i have the habit of trying to hard to get into the enemy hitbox

[tulip spire]

Which is weird because I think witch is slower? It doesn’t feel slower though

[smoky bridge]

"I am in your bones" type hornet.

[light swan]

its the 2nd slowest crest but it has animation cancelling on its side

[zealous talon]

ironically enough beating silksong made me better at playing hollowknight, almost no hit NKG by accident...and then pure vessal absolutely decimated my ass in meer seconds on ascended difficulty

[light swan]

and also a lot of multihits

i mean an animation cancel with snitch pick, despite only being 2 attacks, is 6 hits and thats sick

[smoky bridge]

Hunter and reaper have the best movesets.

[light swan]

although you do kinda cancel two of them

[strange knot]

Witch and shaman are better than reaper

[smoky bridge]

Tho reaper is slow as balls.

[tulip spire]

Reaper’s hitbox data is super dire lol

[smoky bridge]

I'm not saying mechanically good.

[odd hull]

I don't agree on Reaper

[smoky bridge]

I'm saying conceptually.

[light swan]

no fucking way reaper has less range than witch

[strange knot]

Witch sucks at platforming tho

[light swan]

well conceptually, witch dash attack and witch pogo exist

[smoky bridge]

I really like the Idea of reaper. But it is just. The frame stuff.

It is slow, I like the linger tho? They could lean into that that would be fun.

[odd hull]

Lmao a friend of mine experienced the same thing.

[tulip spire]

I hate how reaper’s upslash hitboxes are not the same every time

[light swan]

this is still funny to me

[tulip spire]

Also its nart is actually fucking worthless

[smoky bridge]

Yeahhh it's really inconsistent. But it also has the best dash and pogo at dealing with aerial enemies.

So why are you even upslashing.

[odd hull]

Is witch really that bad at platform? Never had problem, but never used it much during exploration

[smoky bridge]

I think they mean being unable to heal on demand.

[tulip spire]

Upslash is good against shit in the air that’s unsafe to jump in front of or is too fast to really bounce on

[zealous talon]

perhaps its universal U-U ....now go fight pure vessal on radient to prove the theory-

[smoky bridge]

Which like. Just. Don't get hit

[tulip spire]

Like I prefer to hit lost lace’s ass from below

[odd hull]

True

[tulip spire]

Reaper’s dumb upslash mechanic means I have like a 50% chance of whiffing entirely

[smoky bridge]

Reaper would in general suck against lost lace.

She too fast.

[tulip spire]

When she does her air parry

Eh I’ve beaten her with reaper

It just sucks

[light swan]

witch crest is so funny

[smoky bridge]

Kill the start lag, I think. On the pogo

Hornet is just morphing with the witch crest. It's crazy

Generally Hornet does a surprising amount of Looney Tunes ass transformations in this game.

[tulip spire]

I don’t actually use the reaper pogo that much in ll fights precisely because of the dumb start lag

[light swan]

cant believe you can turn a 13 frame attack that deals double damage into 6 frames

thats over half of the attack GONE

[strange knot]

I find it really difficult

[smoky bridge]

Witch crest, Beast Crest, Delver Drill.

[smoky bridge]

Which one is it?

[light swan]

witch dash attack

[tulip spire]

Witch platforming is like middling. The lack of bounce kinda sucks

[smoky bridge]

Huh

Animation canceling is crazy in general.

[tulip spire]

Could be worse architect platforming is abysmal dogshit

[light swan]

yea and witch is the only crest that actually animation cancels

[smoky bridge]

I really like witch I just need to learn to use the pogo without getting bumped.

[light swan]

the closest any other crest can get to animation cancelling is shaman's cooldown cancels

i guess double jump animation cancels exist but thats mid and lame

[smoky bridge]

I was gonna mention that :(

[tulip spire]

Were there any stealth nerfs in the new patch

[light swan]

dash attacking is a whole attack and it deals double damage but you can cut 7 frames off it

[earnest drift]

i was using shaman against the radiance and the cooldown seemed to be shorter when i was pogoing, is that a thing?

[light swan]

idk never heard of tat

[strange knot]

Every crest can cancel clawline too, which can allow to do some cool combos

[light swan]

no crest can clawline cancel

idk what you mean

[tulip spire]

• Fixed Last Judge's death explosion doing 3 damage (now 2).

This is lame LJ needs to kill you tbh

[strange knot]

Oh I forgot how it works yeah it’s not really cancel

[smoky bridge]

Blasphemy.

[zealous talon]

this is disappointing to read...i mean its alil fair, but still...

[lavish apex]

"fixed" is a very odd word to use for that

[smoky bridge]

Make that shit 6 mask

[tulip spire]

I mean I think it is two hits

So it was 6 masks

[strange knot]

It’s just that you down dash so you don’t jump after clawline

[odd hull]

Silksong may be not that good

[light swan]

yea no frames are being cancelled

[lavish apex]

as if it was an accident and not something that was very intentionally programmed in

[earnest drift]

oh yeah i like doing that

down dash is nice

[strange knot]

Down dash is so underrated

[zealous talon]

like i was fine with the moorwing or sister spliter nerf since they were nerfed not long after release, which would imply the difficulty for them was not wut team cherry intented, but the last judge nerf came way after release so it speculates to me too many players were raging about getting hit with a "Last Stand" type move...from a stationary target letting off warning particles...

[smoky bridge]

I wouldn't know I never actually got got.

[tulip spire]

Me neither

[earnest drift]

some developers take a bug and say it's a feature, team cherry takes a feature and says it's a bug

[smoky bridge]

It just seemed like something she might do.

[light swan]

oh yea wispfire cloak also makes downdashing stronger

[tulip spire]

The only booby trap that got me was bilewater bench

[strange knot]

Volt pogos

[light swan]

since it turns into descending dark with less damage and no iframes

[tulip spire]

I laughed my ass off

[earnest drift]

idgaf about speedrunning tbf

[light swan]

i knew it was gonna happen when i came across it too lol

[odd hull]

4am already, I'm going to sleep.
Gn everyone

[strange knot]

Volt pogos are just fun even without speedrunning part

[somber carbon]

@main void is a groomer btw

[zealous talon]

..dude i would ur charm so god dang much, i love when items just grant this level of versatility, its why i fell in love with circlet before i even knew how cracked it was

[zealous talon]

..well that sounds like drama i aint getting invested in- and they just left

[still osprey]

bro

[strange knot]

You can do saves like this with volt pogos

[light swan]

i wasn’t being sarcastic btw i was fucking in love with silksong during bilewater

the entire sequence i was just in love and falling more into love

[severe jasper]

Wait where are those

I dont have them but my tool thing is filled out

[zealous talon]

this feels illegal

[smoky bridge]

I was having fun too.

[tulip spire]

Better than the shit people used to do in here where they’d screenshot a pebble and go “where is this at”

[smoky bridge]

It was frustrating fun in places.
But it was fun.

I really wish they gave you a bench near the Sinner's road entrance.

And then locked the door behind you the second you sit down.

That would have been so funny

Imagine wandering in there act 1. And getting locked in.

[severe jasper]

I pray to god Team Cherry never hires your ass

[tight viper]

You mean like this?

[strange knot]

Do you need to do mist to get out than?

[tulip spire]

I mean this is just how Deepnest worked

[strange knot]

It’s swift master room I fcking remember

[smoky bridge]

I love strife.

Suffering builds character

[severe jasper]

Im leaving this server dude

[tulip spire]

[smoky bridge]

Please do.

[earnest drift]

wtf

[timid sky]

That’s so Evil

[smoky bridge]

There was no reason to showcase that.

You didn't have to do that.

[earnest drift]

both messages in the image are weird

but the reply is worse

[severe jasper]

Different server not this one

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but you sent it.

[severe jasper]

Canadians femboys was on topic

[smoky bridge]

I
.. I can't tell which is worse.

I also hate the word femboy but. That's beside the point.

[tulip spire]

Very much a case of sowing and reaping

[light swan]

oh man the experience that was bilewater

[smoky bridge]

Stop it.

[severe jasper]

Stop what

[light swan]

for reference the first time i died my bench was styx

[smoky bridge]

You ain't sneaky.

[tulip spire]

Lmao hahaha

[severe jasper]

Yes I am

I dont know what you're talking about

[lavish apex]

what's with the nickname font?

[light swan]

idk i alwyas have it i think it’s cool

wrong image

[tulip spire]

The cure to maggot water is don’t touch the water

[smoky bridge]

I got frustrated and started maggot diving and smacking every inch of every wall very early so I happened to find the bemch

[tulip spire]

It’s that easy

[orchid locust]

crazy how bilewater genuinely has the most raw emotional power of any area in the game

[lavish apex]

is that a nitro thing? i've never seen it before

[light swan]

might be, i literally just learned i could do it last week

[smoky bridge]

Do wat

[tulip spire]

Yeah it is

[light swan]

name font

[smoky bridge]

Ah

[orchid locust]

nitro thing

[smoky bridge]

Nitro is stupid

[light swan]

this is still free nitro from discord i got back in november

[shrewd drum]

my first playthrough of sk felt way too surreal and i regret not appreciating it enough

[severe jasper]

Bilewater runback before finding the hidden bench made me want to kms

[smoky bridge]

🚬

[tulip spire]

I want a medieval typeface so bad for my name but I ain’t paying for that shit. That used to be free on msn messenger

[light swan]

should’ve been a month idk what happened but i’m not complaining

[smoky bridge]

The music in Bilewater kept me from going insane.

[strange knot]

Bilewater ost is peak

[smoky bridge]

Such a good song

[light swan]

[smoky bridge]

Groal is Silksong 🅱️ane.

[light swan]

i never went insane from bilewater it was all groal fault

[misty delta]

i loved cog work cores track

[smoky bridge]

I was born in the maggot water. Moulded by it

[sweet spindle]

is it worth maxing out wanderer crest with memory lockets?

[severe jasper]

Same with the cogwork core. The platforming was making me go insane but the music was beautiful

[tulip spire]

https://tenor.com/view/groal-the-great-groal-sparkle-on-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-9484825333250511065

[shrewd drum]

bilewater is like if you went to hell and mozart was playing in the speakers

[earnest drift]

i like bilewater gameplay, lore, music and groal's bossfight is cool

[smoky bridge]

Groal was not that bad.

[strange knot]

And phantom is one of the best fights in game

[smoky bridge]

But also I... Did leave.

[light swan]

i like everything about bilewater except for groal and stilkin

[smoky bridge]

And come back. Later.
At the end of act 2

[light swan]

and maybe the maggot mask room and the hidden bench

[strange knot]

Yeah I hate stilkins

[light swan]

the stilkin are low-key done well though

[smoky bridge]

Stilkins are so cool tho.

[tulip spire]

I like the stilkin they’re a very thematically appropriate enemy. The gauntlet is a bit much though

[light swan]

the enemy itself isnt but they only spawn in 5 rooms