sk-discussion

[blazing ocean]

Infact void gives 2.5x hp

[silent trench]

Need to google what gms means, sounds like a car brand

[tight hull]

if GMS got a banger like sealed vessel it would be 100x better

[tight hull]

grand mother silk

[silent trench]

Oh

….

[fervent yew]

lmao

[exotic cedar]

There should have been more exclusive areas that is accesable by with silk soar

[undone gate]

Aren't they all good bosses

[leaden delta]

which one is awakened gms

[light swan]

well awakening is one of silksongs best themes

[blazing ocean]

No beside first sinner

[fervent yew]

yeah have to agree

[tight hull]

mod

[light swan]

dont worry its too boring for you

[naive basin]

Even then i feel like I would prefer THK, I just didn't feel anything during GMS fight

[blazing ocean]

My fav in this game

[exotic cedar]

Theres only other part of far fields and uhh a little bit of shellwood but that's very small

[light swan]

its just gms but the right difficulty dw

[earnest drift]

but I like discovering glimpses of the world before the citadel and I like hornet understanding how motherhood causes gms to act the way she does in the void via experiencing red memory and I like hornet convincing everyone that it’s not the end of the world and things can be better

[leaden delta]

???

[subtle lynx]

Act 3 bosses be like:

Zango: shit
Palestag: shit
Watcher over the edge: shit
Lost garmond: shit
Bell eater: shit
Clover dancers: meh
Gurr: meh
Crawfather: meh
Pinstress: ok
Nyleth: good
Seth: good
Khan: good
Lost lace: good
Karmelita: excellent

[silent trench]

Dont think any boss in silksong surpasses nightmare grimm but that just me

[leaden delta]

aight

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/first-sinner-silksong-gif-6894299109498768423

[tight hull]

at least her intro isn't bad

[subtle lynx]

Most act 3 bosses are bad

[unkempt steeple]

Can we agree all silksong acts are bad

[earnest drift]

I liked clover dancers

[tight hull]

why is nyleth good?

[exotic cedar]

What i love about metroidvanias is exploring new and cool things, act 3 didn't have that much stuff

[blazing ocean]

I wont lie to you nyleth was a pretty fight as well

[subtle lynx]

KEVER

[silent trench]

Just wished our boy could had gotten a happy ending

[undone gate]

Watcher At The Edge is way better than Plasmified Zango or Pale Stag

[earnest drift]

yes

[silent trench]

[subtle lynx]

Omg can people defend nyleth without using the word pretty or beautiful

[subtle lynx]

Nope, not it isn't

[blazing ocean]

Hear me out hollow knight and good ending is never said in the same sentence

[naive basin]

I kinda liked Lost lace over NKG but really that's it, not even Karmelita, she's behind NGK

[subtle lynx]

Cause it is fun and unique

[earnest drift]

nyleth is the worst yes but the other three are amazing

[tight hull]

nyleth was boring for me

[unkempt steeple]

I liked the gimmick but nyleth really doesn't feel like a heart boss lol

[subtle lynx]

I love pogos

[earnest drift]

also Seth

[light swan]

nyleth more like byleth

[exotic cedar]

Seth would be cool if he was faster

[blazing ocean]

The fight was fun ngl

[silent trench]

If i would make a boss ranking karmelita would probably be #1

[light swan]

aka hi leth

[undone gate]

Watcher At The Edge atleast has more than 2 attacks and is just a cool side boss

[tight hull]

I also love pogos, I do pogo everytime I can but Nyleth fight is so meh😭

[blazing ocean]

WHAT

[earnest drift]

he has three attacks but I can’t remember any of them

[unkempt steeple]

Harder karmelita rematch in godhome>>>>

[blazing ocean]

I beat him first try

[subtle lynx]

Literally nobody ever talks about the fight and the way of winning the fight is running and hitting it after it slams the ground, it's the most boring fight in the game

[undone gate]

Even then it's better than Plasmified Zango and Palestag

[subtle lynx]

And forgettable

[earnest drift]

yes I agree

[exotic cedar]

One of my main complaints about act 3 is also mementos. Cool concept but why the fuck 4 of the mementos require defeating a boss

[naive basin]

Plasmified Zango

[subtle lynx]

Ig it fits its character

[unkempt steeple]

It really is just a sturdier regular enemy

[silent trench]

Gif fail

[earnest drift]

act 3 has both the best bosses and worst bosses

[blazing ocean]

Bad boss tbh

[blazing ocean]

We cant say watcher at the edge is the worst when broodmother exists

[unkempt steeple]

I think they all mostly make sence exept watcher's

[silent trench]

Some enemies in act 3 are harder that some bosses is ridiculous

[earnest drift]

broodmother is not that bad I don’t understand the hate

[undone gate]

Even Act 2 is like that

[blazing ocean]

I HATE it

[light swan]

@leaden delta awakened gms video

[subtle lynx]

There's some joy out of that boss and even if it makes me rage, at least it makes me feel STH other than boredom

[exotic cedar]

Broodmother is actually a well telegraphed fight but since it's kinda clustrophobic i kinda don't like it

[blazing ocean]

Its scary

[unkempt steeple]

Like who is this guy, what is the achievement here he's not particullarly hard, an important character or a minigame

[earnest drift]

• telegraphs attacks properly
• minions die in one hit
• unique stun mechanic is not unfair

[blazing ocean]

Including she can make u disabled

[naive basin]

Overall imo sk's bosses are not as well designed as hk. Maybe except Karmelita and Lost Lace but Pure Vessel is better than both of them

[earnest drift]

the only issue I have with it is that it’s really, really disgusting

[unkempt steeple]

I much prefer sk's bosses

[exotic dome]

yeah it sucks. only lost lace is peak because it actually makes sense for her to have void attacks

[slim thorn]

i got so readed, i can see how they know how to judge anyone

[silent trench]

I like pure vessel’s voice

[undone gate]

Every Flying Boss that has double damage contact damage and doesn't have fixed patterns are annoying

[subtle lynx]

What voice, he literally has no voice to cry suffering

[blazing ocean]

Lost lace is very balanced omg i killed karmalita 2nd try and this bitch tooke me 10 to 20 tries

[silent trench]

😏

[exotic cedar]

And that's good.

[earnest drift]

Marmu
flukemarm
markoth
Xero
Galien
uumuu
gorb
Elder Hu
vengefly king
Gruz mother
Massive moss charger

[exotic cedar]

Broodmother should make players feel disgusted

[silent trench]

Lost lace sometimes feels like it just goes on and on and onnnnnn

[subtle lynx]

None of those bosses are as bad ass
Palestag
Lost garmond
Zango
Watcher over the edge

[blazing ocean]

At least none of them do doublr dmg

[tight meadow]

All the dream bosses are great and some others, and for bad bosses there's basically just watcher at the edge and lost garmond (Edit: I forgot pale stag and the drug guy)

[earnest drift]

marmu is absolutely worse than all of these

[subtle lynx]

No

[undone gate]

Yea Marmu sucks so bad

[exotic cedar]

Marmu is abysmal dogshit

[subtle lynx]

I can have fun battling marmu, it is unique

[naive basin]

I really think only Marmu, Galien and Xero are annoying. Most of these are fine, even Markoth. Just stay patient and even Grimchild will carry

[earnest drift]

contact damage is not unique 💀

[tight hull]

marmu is bad the only good thing is the cute voice lines

[undone gate]

With the worst Physics ever

[tight meadow]

Marmu is just flea juggle on steroids

[silent trench]

That last flee minigame was so bad

[exotic dome]

i remember dying to marmu in steel soul

[subtle lynx]

Yeah obviously that's not what I'm referring to

[earnest drift]

flukemarm is way worse than palestag istg

[exotic dome]

i hate her

[tight meadow]

Marmu was my easiest dream boss (warrior one)

[naive basin]

Flukemarm can be cheesed

[silent trench]

Blublublubliblublublu

[tight hull]

flukemarm is easy af (I never said is a good boss fight is just less annoying than palestag)

[earnest drift]

zango is one of the best worst bosses

[unkempt steeple]

I kinda miss how gimmicky dream warriors were... I hope team cherry adds bosses similair to them to sk one day that aren't a mixed bag (maybe they could be moreso minibosses?)

[subtle lynx]

The little bugs die on one hit if you upgrade your nail a bit

[earnest drift]

doesn’t make her good

[exotic cedar]

Easy but boring

[subtle lynx]

??? He's shit

[tight meadow]

I somehow found lost kin rly easy despite sucking at the normal versuon

[silent trench]

I mean flukewarm is optional just let her live her life

[tight hull]

I'm not saying that makes it a good fight

[earnest drift]

dps check > contact damage galore (Marmu)

[silent trench]

[undone gate]

Dream Warriors only have 1 to 2 attacks which just makes them not that fun

[tight meadow]

Especially marmu with only 1 attack

[blazing ocean]

Muscle memory

[unkempt steeple]

I don't find her interesting at all, just a a cery fragile punching bag that summons annoying enemies, her reward is way more memorable and interesting than her

[exotic cedar]

Silksong should have did something different from hk and that is choosing quality over quantity if we talk about the bosses

[blazing ocean]

Especially markoth and no eyes

[barren sequoia]

How old is pharloom

[tight meadow]

Gorb only has one but that fight is somehow one of the most fun imo
Dodging 3 waves of those is decently fun

[silent trench]

And dont make 95% of the bosses do double mask damage

[blazing ocean]

Sorry but the variation is very good in sk

[naive basin]

Actually yea no eyes is the worst of all, fighting her is a fate worse than death

[tight meadow]

Wait what's the area pharloom and hallow nest take place in?

[earnest drift]

if you really want to defend these in comparison to hollow knight, you’re glazing way too much

[blazing ocean]

Like forth chorus first sinner clover dancers

[unkempt steeple]

We don't know the name of the hk world

[exotic cedar]

Most bosses suck ass though, i didnt feel anything while fighting them

[earnest drift]

the citadel itself is older than Hallownest

[undone gate]

Double Damage is balanced in Silksong considering the OP healing

[unkempt steeple]

Really?

[blazing ocean]

Hallownest and pharloom

[tight meadow]

Yeah I'd argue so

[exotic cedar]

Either they are just boring, unfun, or not creative (refights)

[blazing ocean]

Makes sense

[naive basin]

God forbid someone has an opinion

[tight meadow]

Is SoS in pharloom or a different place?

[exotic cedar]

I love team cherry feeding us boss refights

[blazing ocean]

Khann nyleth karmalita and green prince existed

[tight hull]

hallowlloom

[barren sequoia]

What’s the void and lifeblood

[unkempt steeple]

Still no harder phantom refight

[slim thorn]

probably to the right of bilewater above verdania

[tight meadow]

No like is it in pharloom at all

[undone gate]

Even HK has a good amount of boss refights

[slim thorn]

where is this said?

[tight meadow]

I expect it to be on the right side cuz the left got robbed of water

[tight hull]

for a phantom refight we could fight them when they were like, on their prime and even more powerful just like karmelita

[earnest drift]

the weavers were already in deepnest when pale king first arrived, so that means they’d already built the citadel and left Pharloom before Hallownest was built

[blazing ocean]

Yea yeah infinite refighrs

[tight meadow]

It would be interesting if they expanded on Khann and that area

[unkempt steeple]

Oooh interesting

[blazing ocean]

I never thought of this but now but where white lady orginates from

Like how was she created

[earnest drift]

Pharloom is a much worse place to live but the fact the citadel was born before Hallownest and outlived hallownest says something

[blazing ocean]

Was a better place tho

[unkempt steeple]

Common bugs are better rulers than higher beings

[blazing ocean]

Before pale monarch

[naive basin]

I feel like if godmaster arrives, Khan is gonna have a buffed version just simply by being a heart boss

[earnest drift]

eh not really

[blazing ocean]

The gauntlet is gonna be added

[earnest drift]

the weavers weren’t common bugs and the conductors were much worse than pale king

[blazing ocean]

Pharlids?

[unkempt steeple]

Blasphemy

[earnest drift]

weavers are still near-divine beings

[blazing ocean]

The gauntlet aint hard guys its only the last one

[blazing ocean]

I dont think so

[tight hull]

what is the role of the conductors?

[unkempt steeple]

Gauntlets are much better in sk but they're still not as good as boss fights

[blazing ocean]

Doctors

[sharp slate]

to conduct

[earnest drift]

they live for hundreds of years and can spin soul into silk

[tight viper]

Main rulers of the Citadel after the departure of the Weavers

[tight hull]

then why there's like the conductor mizello last surgery or smth like that

[undone gate]

I would say High Halls is better than some bosses

[unkempt steeple]

Oh yeah that one living weaver in hk must be as old as the cidadel damn

[earnest drift]

while the weavers ruled, they led the song that kept gms asleep
eventually the weavers gave the rule of the citadel to the conductors

[blazing ocean]

I dont know and how did u know they spin soul into silk

[tight viper]

Silk is soul

Silk is soul weaved into thread

[earnest drift]

we see first sinner do it
hornet can also do it because she’s part weaver

[unkempt steeple]

Can hornet also use soul normally

[blazing ocean]

Lace?

[earnest drift]

no

[tight viper]

Lace isn't a Weaver or part-Weaver

[earnest drift]

lace is silk spun into life by grand mother silk

[blazing ocean]

Thought of that

[unkempt steeple]

Lace doesn't make silk

Lace never uses silk attacks

[tight hull]

I think they were talking about first sinner binding/healing

[north fog]

I can't tie my lace-s

[blazing ocean]

Then explain to me how grand reeds do the thread storm

[unkempt steeple]

It's not their silk

It's gms'

[tight viper]

They were trained to do that

[tight hull]

thats the silk thing they drop I guess

[earnest drift]

silk harvested from grand mother silk and used in combat by them
they need to go to get it refilled

[tight viper]

And given the Silk required to do that

[north fog]

Omg it's my third day in chat and still not 150 messages

[unkempt steeple]

There are silk despensing machines in the cidadel

[north fog]

It's so much work 😭

[still osprey]

And I still don't have a quill

[exotic cedar]

Server link jumpscare

[fiery burrow]

you gotta EARN those vc perms

[earnest drift]

why did so many bugs die in whiteward again
was it just failed surgeries?

[north fog]

Cidadel?

[blazing ocean]

But thats not even enough silk for them to cast it

[unkempt steeple]

Yes?

[tight viper]

I mean it clearly is

[unkempt steeple]

It's a video game

[north fog]

Citadel* 😶🙏🏻

[tight viper]

Since they're able to do that attack

[unkempt steeple]

Oh shit that's how it's spelled? No idea

[earnest drift]

how many citadel bugs use silk

[unkempt steeple]

Three I think

[earnest drift]

the choristers, grand reeds and choir clappers do iirc

[north fog]

On that we agree

[tight viper]

I can think of 3, excluding Whiteward shits

[rotund gate]

☠

[blazing ocean]

Yall call whiteward silk manipulation

[unkempt steeple]

Well the ones in whiteward don't really use silk it's more like silk is part of their bodies now

[earnest drift]

the citadel really could’ve retained its tyrannical rule forever if it weren’t for whiteward
and lace ig

[north fog]

We discussing lore big time huh

[blazing ocean]

Right

[tight viper]

Yeah, though the Surgeons also seem to use Silk in some way

[north fog]

Who was whiteward again?

[tight viper]

Hospital

[earnest drift]

the area

[north fog]

Ah

[light swan]

im whiteward

[earnest drift]

why are there so many corpses in whiteward? if they could get silk from harvesting it from gms’s cocoon, why did bugs need to die for the experiments?

were they failed experiments

[tight viper]

Failed surgeries mostly, I reckon

[earnest drift]

soul master killed bugs because he needed to extract soul from their bodies

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/weakest-enemy-in-silksong-average-enemy-in-silksong-silksong-enemy-meme-gif-2891344608208136880

[tight hull]

no maps

[unkempt steeple]

yes

[exotic cedar]

Damn they are really bad at surgeries then

[unkempt steeple]

iirc there's a line about extracting silk from failed operations

[blazing ocean]

He got lost to the enormous amount of soul he got which made him a lunatic

[north fog]

What language is this

[earnest drift]

yikes

[tight hull]

Portuguese

[tight viper]

The ones near the Silk Siphon had their souls turned into Silk Flies, the ones in the Unravelled all died on the operating table

[earnest drift]

why though, couldn’t they just get more from the cocoon?

[tight viper]

Reduce, reuse, recycle

[unkempt steeple]

I guess they see it as a holy and not to take too much or maybe taking too much can even free gms

[earnest drift]

even if it means breaking bugs apart and scraping it out

[unkempt steeple]

we should do this for holy water

[tight viper]

They had unsanctioned deaths, they aren't deserving of a proper burial

Send them to the crematorium, let the husks burn so that the Silk and Silk dregs may be retrieved

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mr-bean-like-mr-bean-thumb-mr-bean-movie-mr-bean-doctor-gif-4618177626426381026

[blazing ocean]

Bugs in whiteward be like:

[earnest drift]

oh
that’s what the magma room in whiteward was for

[blazing ocean]

I forgot they do that as well

[still osprey]

I think I've done everything I can in Act 2 this playthrough 🫡

[unkempt steeple]

how come balador isn't haunted

[blazing ocean]

No

[unkempt steeple]

he's like actively taking in silk to survive

[earnest drift]

honestly no idea
he probably has more silk in him than anyone else

[blazing ocean]

Ur missing 2 mask pieces

[still osprey]

but I have 9 masks

[unkempt steeple]

gluttonous bastard

[blazing ocean]

But w steel soul run

[still osprey]

it's not steel soul

[unkempt steeple]

I could've used that silk in the high halls gauntlet

[blazing ocean]

How d u get grow stone

[still osprey]

mod to bring steel soul exclusive content to the base game 🔥

[blazing ocean]

Cheatee

[earnest drift]

mod to make act 3 steel soul exclusive

[unkempt steeple]

not like there's much

[blazing ocean]

How then goodluck with steel enemies in coral tower

[still osprey]

I specifically only have summoned saviour enabled cuz I don't like the feeling of missing out on a full ass boss

[blazing ocean]

Infact all of the game

[still osprey]

even if it's not a great boss I still like to do as much as I can in all my playthroughs

[earnest drift]

Is zi’s vassal a child

[blazing ocean]

Yes

[coarse leaf]

BRO

[still osprey]

Anyway I have 9 masks already dw about it

[coarse leaf]

I DIED TO KARMELITA PHASE 32 AGAIN

[unkempt steeple]

interesting that shakra calls the ventrica system unnatural like how the last stag hated the tram

[earnest drift]

so the steel masters seem to do a lot of child labour

[blazing ocean]

Tf is that

[still osprey]

phase 32 that's a lot of phases

[unkempt steeple]

rip

[sinful tinsel]

HOLLOW KNIGHT IS FOR GAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coarse leaf]

should i just save my red tools for phase 3 on karmelita (tacks and cogflys)

[earnest drift]

Shakra has no beef with the citadel but seems to hate it anyway

[unkempt steeple]

true

[blazing ocean]

Then ur too

[unkempt steeple]

maybe she just sees as it too unnatural

[light swan]

indentured servitude wins over clanker systems

[still osprey]

good thing silksong would never be gay :clueless:

[sinful tinsel]

your mom

[blazing ocean]

Women cant be gay

Unless there is no men

[unkempt steeple]

silksong is very much anti gay....

[earnest drift]

what does this mean

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-silly-crazy-emoji-gif-13802795076878413788

[sinful tinsel]

your daddy

[earnest drift]

if zi is a child how tall are the adults

[unkempt steeple]

you get to kill an innocent gay man mourning his lover's death and then mount their hearts on your wall

[sinful tinsel]

💀

[earnest drift]

she’s already so big

[blazing ocean]

Says the plants vs brainrot child

[sinful tinsel]

epstein reference

[still osprey]

I'm currently in Act 2, can you find what's wrong with this map

[earnest drift]

ok that’s enough

[steep jolt]

far fields you aint slick

[still osprey]

gg 🔥

[blazing ocean]

He play brainrot games

[unkempt steeple]

where's sea of sorrow

[earnest drift]

I don’t understand

[blissful rampart]

yo I'm playing my doing my second play through rn and I just beat Tormented Trobbio on my first try this time

[still osprey]

sea of sorrow took too long we got modders to add pharloom bay in themselves

[earnest drift]

oh there’s bites in it

[sinful tinsel]

Nah

[steep jolt]

far fields isnt fully unlocked like that until act 4

[subtle lynx]

bone bottom is huge

[still osprey]

this is how it's supposed to look in Act 2

[blazing ocean]

Oh prove me wrong

[earnest drift]

wait I thought there were bites in it

[blazing ocean]

He used a pogo on a throwable to get thhere

In an old patch

[undone gate]

It is like that because it also includes moss groto and moss home

[sinful tinsel]

🤡

[earnest drift]

how much exploring in act 3 is there exactly

[still osprey]

they*

[earnest drift]

far fields, a little bit of shellwood, lost verdania, the abyss

[sinful tinsel]

prove you?

[steep jolt]

abyss, half of far fields, coral tower, verdania is basically it

[unkempt steeple]

I hope sea of sorrow has a very bleak and unsatured aesthetic to differentiate it from coral gourge

[earnest drift]

so is the issue that there isn’t enough?

[undone gate]

Like if you only focus on the main quest then it's just the Abyss and Act 3 Far Feilds

[subtle lynx]

depends if you count exploring the whole map again to find silk soar areas

otherwise you have craddle (if you count that as exploration)
lost verdania
abyss

[steep jolt]

NO they changed the entire map

[earnest drift]

I liked act 3 far fields

[steep jolt]

pvb is NOT tuff 😭

[light swan]

zi yi qi ji

which of these isn't a nine sols term

[unkempt steeple]

there's a difference?

[steep jolt]

its buffed

[blazing ocean]

I know

[still osprey]

Act 2 far fields vs act 3 far fields zoomed out map

[light swan]

theres a new location

[undone gate]

Yea it has cool clawline hook things

[coarse leaf]

diva.

[unkempt steeple]

it's even farther this time

[earnest drift]

I like the giant hopping things and clawlining the slingshotting loops

[tight hull]

what you doing on a plants vs brainrot server? 😭

[steep jolt]

bro has the furthest fields

[blazing ocean]

Took me 2 tries btw

[light swan]

it also looks coler

[still osprey]

the world if Beastling Call was unlockable in Act 2

[blazing ocean]

Unfortunately my lil bro plays roblox and begged me to join the dc to get noticed for things in it

[subtle lynx]

that would remove the only good thing about act 3

[undone gate]

Karmalita took around an hour for me

[blissful rampart]

what crest?

[blazing ocean]

If it first playthrough good job

[unkempt steeple]

love mounting the best boss' heart on my bellhome

[undone gate]

Hunters Crest

[blissful rampart]

oh

[blazing ocean]

Luckily roblox got banned in my country

[steep jolt]

its ok he plays dead rails so it evens out

[blissful rampart]

nice

[still osprey]

genuinely what's with the act 3 hate I thought it was a really good act why does everyone seem to hate it 😭

[undone gate]

It was my 1st playthrow now I can beat Karmalita 1st try

[subtle lynx]

it ruins everything

[blissful rampart]

people hate on act 3?

[lavish apex]

i feel like other than the bosses act 3 is pretty boring

[earnest drift]

I liked it mostly because of the story

[exotic cedar]

Its very boring

[lavish apex]

well the story beats are cool too

[steep jolt]

act 3 is buns all they did was re create the entire map

[undone gate]

The Abyss Climb is also really fun

[coarse leaf]

im shaking omg

[lavish apex]

that's true

[coarse leaf]

i DESTROYED her with tacks and cogflys on phase 3

[light swan]

deep docks needs to be act 3 specific

the lower part

[tight hull]

but the actual abyss isn't that good

[exotic dome]

it's only peak in terms of boss quality

[steep jolt]

we got it the first time you sent the pic

[coarse leaf]

ok

im jnust so happy

[tight hull]

then you must fight voided forebrothers?

[coarse leaf]

im shaking

[undone gate]

I would say the main quests is really fun while the optional content isin't as good

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[earnest drift]

what would make Pharloom’s abyss better

[graceful cairn]

toolslop 🤑🤑

[coarse leaf]

i used hunter

[light swan]

yes

[steep jolt]

its a bit sad tho because you cant fight her again

[blazing ocean]

Still the same

[coarse leaf]

i have NOT beat a boss without hunter heh...

[subtle lynx]

not really

Act 3 bosses be like:

Zango: shit
Palestag: shit
Watcher over the edge: shit
Lost garmond: shit
Bell eater: shit
Clover dancers: meh
Gurr: meh
Crawfather: meh
TTrobbio: meh
Pinstress: ok
Nyleth: good
Seth: good
Khan: good
Lost lace: good
Karmelita: excellent

[still osprey]

I think Act 3 is peak in general I don't dislike a single thing about it tbh

[steep jolt]

lost garmond got me crine

[blissful rampart]

Pinstress is shit what are you talking about?

[coarse leaf]

khan was EASY i beat them 2nd try

[light swan]

over half of this would be act 3 specific and id be happy

[undone gate]

You forgot Tormented Trobbio

[graceful cairn]

so true

[still osprey]

I like the story, I like the references, I like the bosses, I like the exploration

[subtle lynx]

true, he is meh

[tight hull]

do you like lost garmond?

[undone gate]

He has to be good

[light swan]

a lot of deep docks is behind that one door/far fields exit and it would be really great if it was act 3 specific

[earnest drift]

the only thing about act 3 i disliked was it having the worst bosses
which is made up by it also having the best bosses

[blazing ocean]

He gets his own tier TROBBIO

[exotic dome]

i shouldve said main bosses

[subtle lynx]

yeah he should be good, but an upgrade to a bad boss can't be good

[steep jolt]

guys im making a mod that adds the sandsea waste what should i add

[undone gate]

Act 2 also has some horrible bosses and really good bosses

[tight hull]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hollow-knight-silksong-trobbio-a5xmzYqas3TxmeOX6A

[still osprey]

Even if it's not the greatest gameplay wise, I still think it's a great fight thematically

[undone gate]

How is Trobbio bad

[blazing ocean]

Whats that

[exotic dome]

karmelita and lost lace is my top 2 in the franchise. seth, nyleth, khann are pretty good, clover dancers is a bit underwhelming

[subtle lynx]

#sk-discussion message

[earnest drift]

tormented trobbio is great

[graceful cairn]

fym bad boss

[steep jolt]

its referenced in a few places

an area of the wastes

[lavish apex]

i don't even remember what trobbio 2 is like

[exotic dome]

tormented trobbio < trobbio

[blazing ocean]

Emo

[graceful cairn]

you a hater bro trobbio is peak

[steep jolt]

bro is using flintslate

[tight hull]

trobbio but even more blindness

[exotic dome]

too many visual effects

[subtle lynx]

I remember that it can't do the tornado attack while on the floor which instantly makes it a better boss

[lavish apex]

well yeah but i mean gameplay wise

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/engar-gif-17151100904192528328

[subtle lynx]

then it still has more projectile bs

[steep jolt]

best boss is groal right? theres no competition

[still osprey]

you could turn this into one of those "average crest user" gifs

[blazing ocean]

Trobbio be like

[tight hull]

wth is that thing

[steep jolt]

this is just cloak spam

[undone gate]

I would change
LL to excellent
TTrobbio to good
Crawfather to OK
Gurr to OK
Watcher At The Edge to Meh
Pinstress to Meh
Clover Dancers to good

[fervent yew]

trobbio 2 felt so rewarding to beat even thiuh he basically gives tou a shitload of nothing

[light swan]

what do you guys think of the entire boxed sections being act 3 specific, as well as the forebrothers

[steep jolt]

claw mirrors do not do enoughh damage

[blazing ocean]

Not. Cool thats my avrg with wanderer if im only doing gms

[fervent yew]

yess love the steve pfp btw

[light swan]

67 is fine imo, especially since it has some good synergies

[subtle lynx]

the most insane here is watcher over the edge, the boss is SO shit there's absolutely nothing good about it

[steep jolt]

this makes flintslate act 3

[graceful cairn]

average clawline user

[blazing ocean]

Forebrothers are act2

[light swan]

true

[spice cargo]

silksong needs the dreamgate

[light swan]

did you even see the premise of my message

[blissful rampart]

because whenever you fight him the first time he's like stupid difficult

[steep jolt]

ty, i love your pfp i forgot what its called but its like the show that offends everyone

[undone gate]

It's still better than Plasmified Zango,Palestag and Lost Garmond

[spice cargo]

wy is beast call in act 3 💔

[light swan]

i mean its fun thats something it has going for it

[graceful cairn]

clover dancers is just cogwork dancers again though

[steep jolt]

its so fking good

[exotic dome]

it wouldnt change much imo

[spice cargo]

the tornado move is cool

[subtle lynx]

no, it's literally the most boring boss in the game, you run until he does the slam attack and that's it

[undone gate]

It's a 2nd vertion of a good boss so it's good

[steep jolt]

yeah thats litterally the entire gimmick of the fight bro

[fervent yew]

haha ty ty its sp LAWLZ show is mewnt for nobody and mewnt to offend xD

[blazing ocean]

Worms are goated

[light swan]

thats a playstyle problem and not a boss problem because you can do a lot of things to him

[graceful cairn]

yeah but its just boring and easy

[lavish apex]

zango is the worst fight

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-sigma-joker-say-on-skibidi-on-skibidi-gif-15309763248122154688

[steep jolt]

what is bro typing 🙏

[subtle lynx]

I've always found that to be the better playstyle and was never punished for it

[fervent yew]

gotta agree groal rides up pretty fclose

[blazing nimbus]

what are we talking about?

[fervent yew]

idek

[graceful cairn]

what is this 😭😭

[subtle lynx]

I've been punished for trying other stuff though

[lavish apex]

groal is fine imo

[steep jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/solunary-neveah-discordia-discordian-discord-gif-27558502

[lavish apex]

i mean certainly not

good

but like he's fine

[graceful cairn]

groal hate is so fake bro

[fervent yew]

yeah its not good boss design but its. ok. ish. if gyou cheese him

[steep jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-soylent-soy-soyface-nerd-gif-11917812235578842485

[fervent yew]

i cant remember hating any other boss fights tho

[light swan]

i forgot about flintslate being act 3 specific (with my idea) but it should be fine

[blazing ocean]

Yeah like js voltvessels and an older patch solves all of ur problems

[rocky jolt]

average [insert crest name here] user

[steep jolt]

your idea is stupid dumb and fat

[graceful oyster]

Does anyone want to see a macro photo of one of my favorite rocks that I plucked from an outcrop myself

Trust me it's cool

[steep jolt]

pls i love rocks

[light swan]

why

[graceful oyster]

Check this thing out

[lavish apex]

bottom 5 for me, lower number equals worse

1. beastfly 2
2. zango
3. broodmother
4. unravelled
5. palestag

[graceful cairn]

make forgedaughter sell it or something

[light swan]

true

[amber aspen]

hii

[graceful oyster]

This is raw and unpolished

[light swan]

i feel like lower deep docks in act 3 would be so much funner

[spice cargo]

theres nothing wrong with beastfly second fivht

[fervent yew]

NOT a fan of palestag but that is a reallt good list

[light swan]

especially because deep docks is good enough already

[exotic dome]

(mio spoiler) ||nabuu|| is the best boss so far

[coarse leaf]

RED MEMORY? WHAT THE HELL

[blazing ocean]

Beastfly over broodmother is a crime including its so cheeseable

[lavish apex]

it will always be irredeemably dogshit to me

[spice cargo]

also unravelled is cool

[light swan]

oh boy i forgot how early you are

[spice cargo]

dude just use sharp dart its easy

[graceful oyster]

I love it when people love bamby

[blazing ocean]

Fuck ur opinion

[steep jolt]

there is so many interactions based around stuff there like the only reason you can meet lace in blasted steps or sinnerrs road is because of that and how do you even lock something for act 3? also when you see the door it makes you feel curious and grind the rosaries for the key to find a brand new area

[light swan]

anyways now its just the part requiring clawline

[spice cargo]

why does no one like unravelled wth

[lavish apex]

it's not that hard but it's still dogshit

[graceful oyster]

I like Unravelled

[exotic dome]

i'm still in early game??

[steep jolt]

unravelled is nsfw

[spice cargo]

well I facetank unravelled with wanderers

[still osprey]

oh we're sharing boss opinions again ok

[blazing ocean]

True

[light swan]

well youre not in lategame nor would i say youre really in midgame

[fervent yew]

i hate trying to dodge unravvelled

[steep jolt]

did you even reach absolute pale weaverlord yet

[lavish apex]

cheap content reuse for a fight that adds genuinely nothing positive to the game. that mask shard should have been an exploration reward

[light swan]

flintslate is still act 2 possible, so is skipping lace

[graceful cairn]

I always forget this boss exists

[blazing ocean]

Loser wanderer user

[coarse leaf]

WHO IS THAT

[fervent yew]

he pisses me off

[coarse leaf]

WHO ARE THOSE BALL THINGS

[steep jolt]

john weaver and jane weaver

[graceful cairn]

weavers..?

[light swan]

ty for the feedback, fheck out my new cutout it should fix everything you mentioned

[graceful oyster]

Man you have not been paying attention

[coarse leaf]

oh

[tight hull]

can I get the link to the tierlist pls

[still osprey]

yea one moment

[exotic cedar]

My boss tierlist, im very hateful

[blazing ocean]

Roblox ref?

[light swan]

you can still skip lace, and the door still matters, and flintslate is still act 2

[exotic dome]

i'm only at plasmified radiance man why did you spoil it 😭

[steep jolt]

tf are you talking about this isnt some undertale or whatever

[graceful cairn]

W clover dancers ranking fr

[still osprey]

I made the template myself because I hate every other template https://tiermaker.com/create/hollow-knight-silksong-all-bosses-1211546

[steep jolt]

i meant forsiklean

[tight hull]

thanks

[lavish apex]

top 5 best:

1. karmelita
2. lace 2
3. lost lace
4. widow
5. coggies

[blazing ocean]

1

[steep jolt]

i feel like the stuff past far fields should be double jump only

[tight viper]

Hell yeah

[fervent yew]

made a list so lovelt a tear ran down my eye

[spice cargo]

whats any good about lace two

[tight viper]

Unravelled is peak

[tight hull]

what about first sinner ans second sentinel?

[spice cargo]

its literally just lace one with like tiny changes

[blazing ocean]

A worse lost lace vro

[steep jolt]

son im crine (tears of happiness)

[tight viper]

Giant haunted mass of souls that can't be killed

[wanton nimbus]

injustice against the first sinner

[spice cargo]

theyre cool

[light swan]

ah man we just have vastly different visions of everything lol

if i could make sands of karak act 3 i would too

[blazing ocean]

BEACUSE THEY HAVE SKILL ISSUE WITH LOST LACE AND CSN COOK NORMAL LACE

[lavish apex]

first sinner is like... 7th probably
i don't care for second sentinel enough to have a numbered ranking for them unfort

[steep jolt]

meh

[coarse leaf]

BRO OMG

STAG

[fervent yew]

prfsonally sscond sentinel was a nice sideline story

[coarse leaf]

memorys gng

[steep jolt]

john stag

[spice cargo]

damn now I gotta replay hk

[blazing ocean]

Guess here is my spoiler ur seeing white mommy down there

[coarse leaf]

oh god

[steep jolt]

yeah thats where you fight eternal pale queen

[spice cargo]

why would you spoil

[light swan]

very very valid list

[spice cargo]

fr

[lavish apex]

storywise they're cool i'm just not huge on the fight itself

[coarse leaf]

i know thats hornets mom

[graceful cairn]

my list is the only true one fr

[steep jolt]

is ts tuff

[coarse leaf]

the dreamer

[exotic dome]

heres my tierlistslop

[unkempt steeple]

boss slop

[light swan]

lugoli in S tier means you know ball

[coarse leaf]

wowwww

[rocky jolt]

you guys only rank bosses thats lame you should rank more interesting stuff like all delivery quests

[steep jolt]

couldnt even bother to add summoned saviour 😭

[steep jolt]

real

[light swan]

never fought

[fervent yew]

nodnod thsts alright, pinstress was definitelt an okay fight. she kinda stole the second sentinels attacks but i know its for plot

[subtle lynx]

remade my boss tier list after my third playtrhough, I realized there are some bosses I dislike more than what I originally thought

[earnest drift]

nice to see lost lace toptiering in a lot of these tierlists, glad to see we're improving, i might finally give this channel more than a 2 star rating

[unkempt steeple]

link?

[blazing ocean]

Forbrothers being in s is a crime

[still osprey]

but they're a great boss

[rocky jolt]

holy soul master glaze

[unkempt steeple]

same reaction

[fiery burrow]

soul tyrant in peak ❤️‍🩹

[subtle lynx]

the only silksong boss that went up for me is lost lace, she's better than what I remembered

[steep jolt]

ive always wondered why the fuck is it forebrothers when it can be forge brotherts, forge brothers is just better

[earnest drift]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hollow-knight-and-silksong-bosses-1110440

[subtle lynx]

It IS peak

[blazing ocean]

They have LL skill issue

[steep jolt]

who the FUCK let bro cook

[subtle lynx]

So much fun

[fiery burrow]

You get it

[rocky jolt]

i mean crests are like the second most popular tierlist behind bosses

[light swan]

notice how nothings in F tier

[fiery burrow]

Soul Warrior in good too 🗣️

[light swan]

or C or D or B

[exotic cedar]

Ive been trying to find this shit for minutes lol

[rocky jolt]

though shaman is broken its fun broken

[light swan]

everythings in A tier except for witch crest in S

[exotic cedar]

Well what's done is done so i will not remake another list unless my opinions change

[subtle lynx]

I also didn't take into account anything else but gameplay, but soul master theme is one of the best

[light swan]

which is why i didnt put it in the wanderer tier

[steep jolt]

yeah because you didnt rate them by letters

[rocky jolt]

fair

[subtle lynx]

it is a single mantis lord, which is good

[exotic dome]

crestslop

[light swan]

well if i did everything would be in A except for witch

[subtle lynx]

ok list

[coarse leaf]

THE HIVE??? HOLY SHIT

[light swan]

dude play the game stop sending your progress it ruins the moment

[steep jolt]

hornet kisses hive knight

[graceful cairn]

I love this part

[exotic cedar]

Let me find my crest tierlist slop

[coarse leaf]

gulp

[coarse leaf]

ok sorry

[light swan]

dont apologize to me 😭 apologize to yourself

[steep jolt]

i wanna see you fight pale mother

[rocky jolt]

no dude thats crystal peak

[exotic dome]

architect is probably s tier due to how powerful it is but i dont like using it

[steep jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-baby-amazed-wow-woah-gif-16085375

[graceful oyster]

I never understand why people do that

[light swan]

deep docks should be in pretty cool because of lower deep docks

[wispy fox]

YESSSS I FINALLY BEAT LOST LACE YAAAAAY

[light swan]

the rest can stay where the yare

[still osprey]

I don't have a tier list but my crest opinions are basically

Hunter >> Wanderer > Beast > Architect > Witch >= Shaman > Reaper

I'm aware Witch and Shaman are great crests but I just didn't enjoy playing with them very much unfortunately

[light swan]

valid

[exotic cedar]

Yeah i cannot find it

[subtle lynx]

you know what, I agree with your S tier so I'm going to stop looking at it there in case there's sth below that ruins it

[lavish apex]

likewise my top 5 hk1 bosses (extremely generic)

1. pure vessel
2. nkg
3. sisters
4. soul tyrant
5. radiance 1

[graceful oyster]

Like I could be mid heart-to-heart with someone and if I hit a major theatrical moment in a video game I'm deafening and paying laser focused attention

[steep jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[exotic dome]

valid because hunter glaze

[light swan]

yea i feel like i might ruin some stuff for you lol

[light swan]

i used to be like them

[graceful oyster]

Okay maybe not that deep of a convo but you get the idea

[wispy fox]

Ngl shaman crest is kinda fire

[light swan]

but i realized that i should just lock in rather than going OH MY GOD OH MY GOD in text

[steep jolt]

shaman crest is the funnest

[exotic dome]

i agree it kinda ruins it

[light swan]

im so glad i didnt have discord out when playing xc3 ch5

[sharp slate]

fair

[exotic cedar]

My list is
Witch>Hunter>Shaman>Needletect>Beast>Wanderer>Architect>Reaper

[steep jolt]

knights crest is just way too op bro

[cerulean sable]

i need 5 variants of Trobbio recolors

[sharp slate]

i still hate hunter pogo with fucking passion

[cerulean sable]

1 per DLC

[still osprey]

I tried to find that one buzz lightyear gif but I can't find it so imagine I just sent it here

[exotic cedar]

Yes i counted needletect because its fun af

[exotic dome]

i need only one then im good

[light swan]

ok if i had to rank crests

[sharp slate]

wait till you hear about architect tool spam

[fiery burrow]

Sometimes I'll share progress just to take a breather and because its fun talking about what you just saw

[light swan]

in an order

1. witch
2. hunter
3. beast
4. architect
5. shaman
6. reaper
7. wanderer

[steep jolt]

idk why they even added a crest for the knight isnt that just hk

[light swan]

idk how i feel about architect below beast

[sharp slate]

fun list i assume

[light swan]

yea

[lavish apex]

there are honestly just fewer extremely good bosses in hk1 than in silksong so it's kinda easier to rank them at the top imo

[light swan]

how much i enjoy using them

[sharp slate]

people say the crest is just HK when its LITERALLY just the pogo

[exotic dome]

valid list

[steep jolt]

what are you talking about?

[light swan]

because i use architect a lot more than beast but also beast is awesome and at some point it was above hunter

[wispy fox]

My picks for crest is wanderer > shaman > reaper > hunter > witch > architect > beast

[still osprey]

nah it's the range too I tried playing hk again and holy shit the knight cannot reach shit

[unkempt steeple]

alot of these hk bosses could be wrong, never replayed hk

[steep jolt]

no im litterally talking about the knights crest

[lavish apex]

the knight has fantastic range what?

[subtle lynx]

wdym you haven't done grimm

[sharp slate]

didnt know that even existed

[exotic dome]

hunter > witch > beast > shaman > wanderer > reaper > architect

[unkempt steeple]

I have done grimm but only through cheesing so I don't count it

[fiery burrow]

wanderer range is normal except for the pogo which is shorter than TK's isn't it

[sharp slate]

hunters main swings are pretty close to knights besides pogo tbh

[steep jolt]

yeah you get it when you bind to the void in act 3

[lavish apex]

^

[exotic dome]

you can't sprint but you have ddark and abyss shriek

[still osprey]

god I'm really excited to see more modded crests release there's 2 so far and they're both really cool

[exotic cedar]

This.

[sharp slate]

rating crests is really weird i dont know what critieria to rate them on

[light swan]

its sad seeing withc so low on a lot of crest lists but i can completely understand it

[subtle lynx]

I was doing a silksong area, but it felt pointless cause tbh, I don't have strong feelings fro any area in particular, most areas in silksong are quite small

[graceful cairn]

is this a W tierlist chat

[unkempt steeple]

if only the knight felt as good to play as hornet

[lavish apex]

i do not find witch fun to play

[sharp slate]

My enjoyment of crests:
Wanderer > Shaman > Beast > Hunter > Reaper > Witch > Architect

[light swan]

yea thats completely understandable (unfortunately)

sometimes the funnest things are the ones that only try to please a specific subset of people (like me)

[subtle lynx]

W for the most part

[broken seal]

Based on how good I am with it/amount of practice I've had using it:

1. Hunter
2. Beast
3. Wanderer
4. Witch
5. Reaper
6. Shaman
7. Architect
   Based on how much I like it:
8. Witch/Hunter
9. Hunter/Witch
10. Beast
11. Shaman
12. Wanderer
13. Architect
14. Reaper

[exotic cedar]

I would like to see how i play w witch now but i deleted thunderstore so i cannot refight bosses

[light swan]

thats also why i cant realistically recommend xenoblade 3 or afterimage to anyone

[steep jolt]

yall be forgetting knights crest like crazy

[exotic dome]

witch's bind gimmick is more fun than beast imo

[light swan]

if i was rating crests based on how cool they are, not how fun i find them

1. witch
2. beast
3. shaman
4. architect
5. hunter
6. reaper
7. wanderer

[sharp slate]

you can manually install godhome mod with nexus xD

[lavish apex]

maybe i would if i got good at using its pogo/dash attack but that's kinda hyper-specific practice

[blissful rampart]

lowkey based

[exotic cedar]

Is it long to setup

[lavish apex]

its normals are so bad

[light swan]

whys it hyperspecific

for reference i almost never use it's neutrals so i dont think thats necessary for the build

[slim thorn]

did any of yall saw how much silk does archi's nestrike can make if you have reaper bind buff active?

[lavish apex]

because other crests don't play anything like that

[exotic cedar]

Nexus would be even better i think there's more mods there

[steep jolt]

its so nice having a kind crest talk

[odd hull]

It's mostly alright

[steep jolt]

no because thats legit impossible to do

[spark anchor]

Buzz lightyear store gif

[odd hull]

I disagree with almost everything

[exotic cedar]

Shit i wanna play badly translated mod and shit my pants because i find kind of stuff funny

[light swan]

ah yea, its a completely different playstyle

[wispy fox]

I love how there’s no meta with crests

[sharp slate]

I definetely dislike witch crest because of the normal swing

[still osprey]

I will say, Witch has the best dash attack out of all the crests

[light swan]

oh there definitely is

[slim thorn]

yeah but mods

[light swan]

same as blebbles

[graceful oyster]

If I was ranking crests on how much I liked talking about them:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. Witch
7. Hunter, Beast, Reaper, Wanderer, Architect, Shaman

[wispy fox]

I meant with what crest you use not with tools

[light swan]

good thing no one ever needs to use the normal swing :D

[light swan]

oh there definitely is

[exotic dome]

there is but everyone has different opinions so thats cool

[broken seal]

why those numbers

[sharp slate]

is there though, we know for speedruns but for boss fights it feels varied

[sinful tinsel]

ALL ARE GAYS

[wispy fox]

All of them are good if you git gud

[broken seal]

the meta is Witch cuz i said so and it looks cool

[exotic cedar]

Good.

[sinful tinsel]

SIT DOG

[steep jolt]

how it feels to ship hornet and hive knight

[light swan]

yea but generally one crest is kind of better at one thing than another crest and thats what i mean

its not all equally balanced

[sinful tinsel]

SIT

TRASH EPS4TEIN

[lavish apex]

don't speedruns just run hunter until they get shaman/switch to reaper for tool pogos

[graceful oyster]

Fitting the mold for the meme

[odd hull]

lmao you're on another level

[cerulean sable]

not using hunter feels wrong

just my experience

[spark anchor]

[broken seal]

what are you talking about

[cerulean sable]

i absoltuely love the diagonal pogo

[lavish apex]

any% doesn't get any crests obvs

[sinful tinsel]

sh random

[light swan]

yea theyre all viable for sure

[sharp slate]

Fair to an extent, they arent equally balanced, but they are pretty close tbh, i think reapers is the only one majorly lacking for late game at least

[graceful cairn]

here is this better

[spark anchor]

I have never had problems with diagonal pogo

[steep jolt]

bro got true from temu 😭

[light swan]

thats true

[spark anchor]

Shrue…

[blissful rampart]

I like Beast Crest for its curved pogo

[broken seal]

is this @sinful tinsel trying to speedrun getting banned or smth

[subtle lynx]

blue tool tier list (BEFORE ANYONE SAYS ANYTHING I DON'T LIKE CIRCLET)

[spark anchor]

[steep jolt]

slide my boys groal and lugoli up there and its fire

[sharp slate]

I honestly think if a godhome released right now the "Meta" would be hunters crest because thats what people are used to

[exotic dome]

lord fool with speech bubble above it

[sinful tinsel]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[still osprey]

Why is Snitch Pick in D

[steep jolt]

who let bro cook

[coarse leaf]

how the hell do i goto abyss if its blocked by lava

[sharp slate]

maybe reapers crest

[broken seal]

much of this is irritating me but if it's based on your likes then i'll accept it and ignore my rage

[graceful cairn]

lmao 😭

[subtle lynx]

it literally does absolutely nothing

[exotic cedar]

No.

[lavish apex]

hunter would probably just be the best for radiants

[spark anchor]

Obtain everbloom and talk to ballow

[still osprey]

it increases clawline damage by 25% 😭

[graceful cairn]

shut up

[exotic cedar]

incrasing clawline damage is something

[slim thorn]

i think i just discovered some very silly tech

[sinful tinsel]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[light swan]

and we all know clawline is amazing

[coarse leaf]

where is ballow i just got everbloom

[subtle lynx]

wow, hor relevant

[spark anchor]

Where he usually is

[graceful oyster]

Who's gonna ping em

[subtle lynx]

I never use it to attack enemies

[odd hull]

<@&283547423706447872>

[lavish apex]

it is relevant, it's just not amazing

[blissful cliff]

Question who do people consider harder?
Lost lace
Or 3 phase Eigong from ninesols

[graceful oyster]

Thanks

[exotic cedar]

Missing out

[coarse leaf]

i forgot where he is

[minor sparrow]

Dude could you not

[broken seal]

It buffs Clawline damage by 25% which is very good considering how powerful Clawline is in combat

[slim thorn]

hardfall preservation!

[exotic cedar]

Eggnog

[spark anchor]

Above Diving bell

[graceful oyster]

Good golly I love eggnog

Top 10 drinks ever

[sharp slate]

interesting

[coarse leaf]

sorry but like i forgot where diving bell is

[sharp slate]

useless i think but cool xD

[still osprey]

if you don't use clawline then yea I can see why you'd rank it low but like it doesn't do "nothing" it's one of the few blue tools that straight up increases dps

[spark anchor]

Right of sauna

[subtle lynx]

ngl, I forgot it did that

[lavish apex]

snitch pick is probably great against normal enemies, i find myself using clawline against them a lot more than bosses and the extra shell shards could be nice

[subtle lynx]

but it doesn't change anything for me

[broken seal]

this is what having weighted belt should just do normally

[subtle lynx]

so it stays there

[slim thorn]

i have been like an hour experimenting to see if i can post it on the speedrun server tech

[sharp slate]

funny if you/someone else actually finds a use case, neat tbh

[lavish apex]

one problem with it is that it's expensive as fuck

[slim thorn]

this reminds me of competing to see how many shriek pogos you can do

[lavish apex]

like one of the most expensive things in a shop i think

[sharp slate]

yea its a rip off

[exotic dome]

@teamcherry literal game breaking bug please fix this

[sharp slate]

1000 geo was kinda expensive in hk 1000 in skong is CRAZY

[still osprey]

It might lowkey be the most expensive shop item unless Frey has smth for the Bellhome that costs more

[subtle lynx]

the thing is, it doesn't give you extra shell shards

[subtle lynx]

what thing?

[lavish apex]

it doesn't give extra rosaries but i think it does give extra shards

[exotic cedar]

Atleast the things in hk did crazy money

[still osprey]

It gives extra shell shards, but not extra rosaries

[exotic cedar]

The uh the uhmm artifacts?

[sharp slate]

43 relics compared to like 15....

[wispy fox]

Ngl I wish I could remove the shell shard cap

[subtle lynx]

wow I know nothing about this tool

[sharp slate]

maybe DLCs will add more relics

[subtle lynx]

the most expensive non cosmetic thing is multbinder iirc

[broken seal]

if you have thiefs mark it gives less rosaries lol

[sharp slate]

880 for multi i think

[exotic cedar]

Yeah compared to hk relics sk relics give lore and stuff

[slim thorn]

pls dont, i investigated it cuz of a clip i found of mine of like 7 months ago finding the same thing accidentaly

[lavish apex]

more relics in dlc would be cool

[subtle lynx]

otherwise, it would be the fountain

[still osprey]

RIGHT Multibinder

[lavish apex]

i wish the fleas gave you some

that would be cool

[subtle lynx]

yes7

[sharp slate]

i basically only play with debug now because of rosary issue on replay

[subtle lynx]

but multbinder is worth it

[exotic cedar]

Freys greed sickens me

[subtle lynx]

it's the actual bilewater tool

[spark anchor]

Multibinder for 880 makes sense when you actually use it

[light swan]

ngl the sense that the next pale ore was behind every corner and the feeling of getting it was peak in hk but its not really there in silksong

[spark anchor]

It is one of the best survivability tools

[slim thorn]

yeah im feeling that
dying in 1 or 2 hits also isnt helping

[exotic cedar]

Valid, grinding rosaries is really boring
Plus it stops the grand reed genocide

[blissful rampart]

Witch Crest go brrrr

[spark anchor]

I often use it more than injector ngl

[minor sparrow]

I actually tried a mod that makes rosaries drop from all enemies based on their health. I quite like it

[exotic cedar]

#savegrandreeds

[lavish apex]

i think you can buy out every act before moving to the next one without "grinding" but i'm not 100% sure

[spark anchor]

That extra mask for the same silk cost comes a long way

[light swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1481335365414424597/caption.3e6bea82.gif

[subtle lynx]

how, multbinder is ass without injector

[still osprey]

What about Grindle's Greed like
650 or so for a spool fragment
700 for a crafting kit
740 for snitch pick

[lavish apex]

hk1 doesn't have anything close to that

[oblique grove]

before silksong i used to love worms now i just hate them

[broken seal]

true but pale oils feel more valuable cuz you don't need to get 3 for a single needle upgrade like in hk

[spark anchor]

I’m not a chud and I know healing windows

[sharp slate]

a hash tag i can get behind

[spark anchor]

Injector and multibinder feels like a crutch im ngl

It’s either use one or the other

[spark anchor]

The other 2 pale oils are locked behind long quests

[subtle lynx]

no really, for both my playthroughs I never took them off once I got them

[spark anchor]

That increases the value more

[light swan]

thats true

[spark anchor]

Gtop and flea festival, where one is act 3 exclusive

[light swan]

but it decreases the anticipation since theres less pale oils to look forward too

[lavish apex]

i like how the 100% speedrun just spends like 15 minutes fighting grand reeds

[coarse leaf]

THE ABYSS IS HELL

[exotic cedar]

The great taste of pharloom might be the best wish in silksong

[sharp slate]

I might be a bit biased but i kinda like pale ore over oil

[coarse leaf]

just lost 500 geo

[light swan]

agreed

[sharp slate]

honestly i can see that

[light swan]

at some point theyre so rare that thouigh theyre more vauable theyre just less hype

[lavish apex]

i like pale ore too

[sharp slate]

plus more bingo stuff 😎

[spark anchor]

You can avoid the two gargant glooms

[coarse leaf]

how

[still osprey]

Injector Multibinder is a great synergy but also I'm at a point where I wouldn't spend 2 blue tool slots to heal 1 extra mask at a reasonable time

[exotic dome]

i think pale oil is better because it has a quest like great taste of pharloom

[spark anchor]

Obtain the gtop pale oil before cogwork dancers ✅

[lavish apex]

injector band reserve bind is better imo

[spark anchor]

Agreed, in hk at worst you had to kill nosk and do colo2

[lavish apex]

once you have it

[sharp slate]

they dont have bingos out on bingosync for skong yet right (not yet just checked)

[light swan]

honestly craftmetal is good in place of pale ore

[still osprey]

I feel like at this point the blue tools I run will just end up permanently being Circlet, Snitch Pick and Volt Filament

[minor sparrow]

I like the requirements for pale oil alot more than the ones for ore

[lavish apex]

mmmmm i don't like craftmetal tbh

[light swan]

but i feel like the demand isn’t very high when twelfth architect is so late in the game

[subtle lynx]

the thing is, you get serve bind so late in the game, it's almost the last thing you get in act 2, since you need to explore all of the citadel areas

[light swan]

and so much of craftmetal is in random points sround the map like cogfly or pimpillo

[fiery burrow]

fleatopia oil

[light swan]

if it was used on some centralized thign that you already knew would be worth, finding craftmetal would be much better

[subtle lynx]

the comparison doesn't make sense, craftmetal is much more irrelevant

[exotic cedar]

Play my flea games

[spark anchor]

The pale oil obtain methods are quite rigid since there’s only 3 but there’s 6 pale ore meaning you have several choices to make for pale ore

[sharp slate]

maybe skong bingo feels like crap because act 3 is isolated af/locked behind alot hmmmmmm

[light swan]

pale oil and craftmetal are like opposites of eachother and pale ore is perfectly in between

[lavish apex]

i kinda wish the flea minigames weren't compulsory

for the 3rd pale ore

[coarse leaf]

HORNET SAYS HALLOWNEST

[lavish apex]

i don't find them very fun

[fiery burrow]

Silk and Soul is where challenge runs go to die...

[spark anchor]

People who never played hk: Who is Hallownest

[still osprey]

The 3 pale oils are just a moving block puzzle, a scavenger hunt with a boss fight, and 3 minigames

[sharp slate]

i kinda want to do a silksong bingo...

[lavish apex]

great taste of pharloom is pretty good though

[minor sparrow]

I don't see as any different than collo 2 for 2nd pale ore and I like the levity of the mini games anyways

[subtle lynx]

then people should just do them to beat any%

[light swan]

there’s only 3

[fiery burrow]

any% is lame asf 🥀

[exotic cedar]

What if instead of being called hallownest it was called ballownest and instead of being home to many bugs it would be home to many ballows

[spark anchor]

Gtop has 2 good items and it’s just muckmaggot and rasher

Because they have actual challenge

[subtle lynx]

not really, unlike hk, you get to see a lot of the game

[lavish apex]

those are completely different

[still osprey]

Sea of Sorrow gonna add a 4th pale oil so you can skip one of them. Bringing the 4th oil to Plinney rewards you with Rosaries. Idk

[fiery burrow]

The highlights are all in act 3 though

[lavish apex]

the more apt comparision would be the grubfather one

[fiery burrow]

Well combat related highlights

[exotic dome]

and all pale ores are just spread around the map, i think pale oil has more variety

[light swan]

craftmetal is perfect in quantity and exploration but it has not enough use and is therefore not valuable

pale oil is very very valuable but there’s way too little for it to matter, meaning it’s less of an exploration thing that youre always looking forward to

[coarse leaf]

WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO TO LACE

[broken seal]

extremely simplifying anything can make it sound worse than it actually is. the first one is right tho but the second and last pale oils are good

[sharp slate]

whaaaaaaaaaat

[coarse leaf]

THEY LACED LACE

[minor sparrow]

It's a mixture of both, really

[light swan]

no they lost lace

[subtle lynx]

ig so, but act 3 has lot of shit too

[vague holly]

is it easier to do couriers rasher in act two or three?

[sharp slate]

I honestly enjoy any% skong over hks idk why its really fun to run (though im at a relatively low skill level only a 1:05

[broken seal]

2

[spark anchor]

Act 2

[subtle lynx]

2 100%

[vague holly]

ok

[fiery burrow]

As in like going for GMS only I'm sure its a decently fun speedrun but I'm more interested in like "can you beat the game without x" and stuff

[spark anchor]

Act 3 does not compensate with silk soar

[minor sparrow]

Idk why you'd hold off to 3

[still osprey]

Oh yea I wasn't trying to say they were bad or anything, hk ore placements are definitely worse imo

[broken seal]

almost nothing is easier in act 3 compared to 2 💀

[spark anchor]

You have voided enemies

[subtle lynx]

hk any% has shitty boss fights if any

[coarse leaf]

isnt this the final boss

and the hardest

[sharp slate]

Fair tbh

[vague holly]

i did cause i didn't feel like doing it until act three

[restive ibex]

As the game stands now, i see the final level of nail akin to overleveling in an rpg. so i dont really mind it being annoying to get. that'd change if we had pantheons though

[lavish apex]

skong makes going fast feel very good and has better mandatory bosses

[still osprey]

What even are all the pale ore placements it's like, Basin, Nosk, Colo 2, Grubfather, Seer, and a mysterious 6th thing I don't remember

[sharp slate]

funny enough i did low jump recently to gms its at 102 jumps though there might be improvements

Challenge runs in skong are kinda meh to a degree

[lavish apex]

so yeah i can see why that speedrun would be more fun

[spark anchor]

Hallownest’s crown

[broken seal]

hallownest crown

[still osprey]

RIGHT yea

[minor sparrow]

I guess but you're just waiting for a worse experience