sk-discussion

[light swan]

no nine sols is fun parryslop

but it’s still parryslop

[fallow sorrel]

THERE SHOULD BE A GUY WHO PAYS YOU FOR THE FISH AND ITS LIKE THE BEST WAY TO GET ROSARIES OMGGGG

[tight meadow]

But then what do I use rosaries for

[vale whale]

it isn't parryslop

[odd hull]

Faith

[graceful oyster]

Parries in YOMI are fun because it's all mind games

[exotic cedar]

Its videogameslop

[light swan]

where you don’t need to think or dodge or move you just parry shit and live

[restive ibex]

These are rods

[light swan]

from my experience it was

[tight meadow]

If they add using rosaries just to pray for achievements

[light swan]

nine sols was the game that made me realize i didn’t like parries

[tight meadow]

Ohhh okay

[vale whale]

would you mind clipping yourself doing this parry spam against her

[fallow sorrel]

I never fucking realised those were fishing rods

[tight meadow]

I find it very likely we can fish then

[light swan]

when i replay nine sols sure

[odd hull]

Would be funny asf

[vale whale]

i genuinely can't believe it especially because of how oftem she repositions and how your parries arent omnidirectional

[light swan]

well it’s not hard to face your enemy but i do like the direction aspect

[tight meadow]

True Faith - Spend 5000 rosaries on praying

[light swan]

she doesn’t reposition that much

the time you need to turn around is when she teleports behind you which is at the end of a long attack chain

[fallow sorrel]

Imagine doing ts in act 3

[vale whale]

yeah but your enemy moves faster then you as it's intended she forces YOU to move so you can't spam

[odd hull]

Silksong if it was perfect

[orchid locust]

there’s a different suffix for that, it’s parrygem

[tight hull]

that one fountain in hollow knight:

[vale whale]

greedy pale king

[still osprey]

witch takes 3 memory lockets to fully unlock right?

[light swan]

also her slash through which she usually teleports out of i think

her dash through uou dont need to turn around and she teleports after that too

[odd hull]

It would be easy, just a bit boring waiting for the crawbell

[tight hull]

greedy king

[vale whale]

she has multiple attacks which open with teleports

[tight meadow]

Atheist - Don't pray to GMS for 100 hours of gameplay

[light swan]

yea and then you face her once and press parry mindlessly

[tight meadow]

They should add more 3 dmg attacks to bosses

[vale whale]

parry mindlessly

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/nine-sols-parry-nine-sols-game-yi-nine-sols-yi-gif-4679426193460252462

what the fuck is this

[tight meadow]

GMS hitting you with the grab and dealing 3 dmg made to fight more fun, even if she only hit me once

[light swan]

why is there no cooldown to missing a parry

why can’t you die when you miss a oarry

[tight meadow]

It makes you think - WAIT WHAT NOW INSTEAD OF 5 HP I HAVE 3

[light swan]

just make internal damage kill you and im happy

that solves allll the problems

[graceful oyster]

No cooldown to missing a parry is kinda cringe

[tight hull]

but 5 - 3 is 2

[fallow sorrel]

God i hate crawbell

[odd hull]

Why, it's cute

[light swan]

btw @vale whale if it isn’t clear i fucking love nine sols

[tight meadow]

Act 2 max hp:
1 dmg is 9 HP
2 dmg is 5 HP
3 dmg is 3 ho

[light swan]

and i still had a lot of fun with the gameplay and the combat system

parries just piss me off and it’s not exactly nine sols fault

[tight meadow]

Let's be real the 1 extra mask in sk is useless

[light swan]

it kind of is but not entirely

and i still had fun, it was my 3rd favorite game whe i beat it (behind xenoblade and hk)

[tight hull]

what?

[tight meadow]

On the sole exception of 3 damage enemies (which don't exist unless a 2 dmg hits u into the average spike)

[lusty grove]

would you rather fight Phantom with 5 masks or 6 masks?

[light swan]

and nine sols still has the 3rd best video game story of all time

[fallow sorrel]

Nah, the money cap and how long it takes pisses me off

[tight meadow]

9 to 10 masks

Hk has max 9, sk has max 10

[lusty grove]

yeah that's just not possible

[light swan]

i think onion hates me

[tight meadow]

Wdym?

[lusty grove]

oh

ok, I see

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/nine-sols-nine-sols-yi-nine-sols-parry-nine-sols-deflect-deflect-gif-13374560641446847099

[tight meadow]

Well based on the max masks in act 2 that's how many hits you can take

[light swan]

what is this speed man

[odd hull]

I don't mind. Just do another thing and get back every now and then

[fallow sorrel]

Silksong fans when they finally get all the mask shards (they can now take 5 hits)

[tight hull]

ooh

[light swan]

you are 100% invincible during this time

[lusty grove]

well, the extra mask does make a difference cuz the game is harder, but it'd make a bigger difference if it wasn't locked behind the "everything deals 2 damage by default now" part of the game

[vale whale]

sped up btw

[fallow sorrel]

I guess but after a while you run out of things to even do

[vale whale]

look at the background

[light swan]

is it

[odd hull]

At this point do you even need rosaries

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[light swan]

that makes things better

did you see what i pinged you for

[tight meadow]

No it's really doesn't. Act 3 features literally nothing that deals 1 dmg or 3 dmg (other than LL and spikes)

[lusty grove]

there are not many bosses in act 3 that deal 1 mask of damage with most of their attacks, so I can see why the extra mask would seem useless

[light swan]

i dont want to give you the wrong impression that i hate nine sols

[tight meadow]

Not many anything

[fallow sorrel]

The dlcs could add things that need it and also if you're unlucky enough to get to act 3 before buying everything (rosary farming dies)

[lusty grove]

regular enemies can still deal 1 mask of damage

and some enemies can't be voided

[restive ibex]

The pose is a reference to devil may cry royal guard, which itself a reference to Bruce Lee

[tight meadow]

Yeah what regular enemies are hitting you

Moss grubs?

[lusty grove]

Driznit

[light swan]

it’s barely out of my top 5 rn but after i replay it it’s going back in probably

[tight meadow]

Bro those barely exist, just don't go to blasted steps

[minor sparrow]

The bell guys in choral chambers ig

[light swan]

my top 4 rn is impenetrable though

[odd hull]

If you just got to act 3, there's many things to do. And when the dlc comes, play the dlc.

[storm dagger]

Mongolia

[graceful oyster]

Just keep an open mind for rw

[exotic cedar]

I litteraly only know my top 2 games idk what the others would be

[light swan]

maybe

[minor sparrow]

Keep a closed mind, actually

[light swan]

rain world is probably better than silksong

[graceful oyster]

I have a hard time nowadays calling Mio my favorite game because I've remembered how spectacular rw is

[light swan]

but like i feel like i’m giving silksong the short end of the stick here

[graceful oyster]

Certainly

[fallow sorrel]

I guess, but i distinctly remember wasting away grinding rosaries after getting 100% and beating LL just so I truly had no reason to touch my save file until DLC dropped (I have in fact not touched my save file)

[minor sparrow]

In what regard?

[lusty grove]

okay then, the Skarr on the way to Karmelita, the Verdania enemies, Khann's gaunglet enemies

[light swan]

because i still remember how legendary it was playing through

[plain bloom]

What is rw?

[light swan]

how much i lik it

[graceful oyster]

Rain World

[lavish apex]

silksong in spite of how much i love it is eternally frustrating

[minor sparrow]

Rain world

[narrow dagger]

why did team cherry make broodmother harder than Grand mother silk

[lusty grove]

Broodmother isn't harder than GMS wdym

[lavish apex]

kinda like xc2

[light swan]

i spent an entire month of my life just waiting to go home and play it immediately

[tight hull]

broodmother can sing, gms just screams

[minor sparrow]

I don't agree with that but ok

[light swan]

and yet it’s gonna end up barely in my top 5

[narrow dagger]

I beat gms in like 7 attempts

[exotic cedar]

Artists who can sing

[narrow dagger]

I never beat broodmother

[light swan]

especially since afterimage has a better world and exploration by far

[tight hull]

gms is easy than a lot of bosses actually

[lusty grove]

I beat Broodmother in 2

[exotic cedar]

yeah i forgot the joke

[minor sparrow]

I beat brood in 1 iirc

[vale whale]

i just dont like silksong alot

[lusty grove]

skill issue

you just suck at the game

[vale whale]

its a great game and stuff but after the honeymoon period many things become apparent

[minor sparrow]

Couldn't tell

[exotic cedar]

I forgot how many attemps it took for broodmother because it wasnt memorable nor a fun fight

[lavish apex]

i first tried gms

[exotic cedar]

Gms took like 7 i think

[tight hull]

broodmother is such an ass boss just like plasmified zango

[lusty grove]

hot take: GMS isn't easier than The Hollow Knight

[minor sparrow]

Brood mother is just a better gruzmother to me, which isn't much

[odd hull]

lmao

[boreal berry]

Freezing take 💔

[lavish apex]

only ever died to her when going for twisted child ending

[fallow sorrel]

DON'T DISS MY DAD DUDE WE LOVD PLASMIFIED ZANGO

[lusty grove]

I mea\nt easier

[minor sparrow]

That's not a hot take

[north fog]

Allo

[minor sparrow]

I can go either way honestly

[tight hull]

we who😭

[exotic dome]

exploration and platforming is 10/10

[north fog]

In terms of difficulty? I found her ez

[fallow sorrel]

I genuinely can't wait for SoS because I NEED something to do. After completing my second playthrough I'm probably gonna fight modded bosses or smth tbh

[lusty grove]

well, there are way more people saying "GMS is too easy" than there were people saying "THK is too easy"

[boreal berry]

Hollow knight is a coughing baby
Bro is easier than Moss mother

[exotic dome]

honestly i wasnt expecting it to be this good

[fallow sorrel]

ALL OF US

[north fog]

Lol

[lavish apex]

i'm fine with gms's difficulty

[exotic cedar]

Maybe i should try rain world but i lowkillorigenuinely don't understand what the fuck the goal in it or what is it about

[earnest drift]

i think it's because grand mother silk's entrance is comparable to the radiance so people are comparing her more to radiance

[boreal berry]

Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb ahh

[minor sparrow]

Probably because THK was the direct path to Radiance

[arctic epoch]

there isn't really a goal

[fallow sorrel]

I actually died to Moss Mother

[arctic epoch]

you're just thrown into an ecosystem and that's about it

[light swan]

should i start rain world rn

[exotic cedar]

Damn

[light swan]

idk im kinda busy never fucking mind man i hate life

[north fog]

Wow

[lavish apex]

thk being as easy as they are makes more sense in the context of the story

[lusty grove]

in a lore sense, she is Silksong's Radiance, but her place in the game is more similar to the Hollow Knight's

[north fog]

True

[fallow sorrel]

THK is too easy though lets be real

[arctic epoch]

start it when you're free

[lavish apex]

illusion you should play hyper light drifter :)

[minor sparrow]

Not really

[graceful oyster]

Free? When is anyone ever free

[boreal berry]

“Beat GMS no silk skills, no moving, no needle, no eyes, no device, no game” (easy mode)

[exotic cedar]

When i get consistent in dead cells fragless + %100 everything im gonna start another game but idk what it will be

[minor sparrow]

Over breaks

[arctic epoch]

late up in the night, i suppose

or when i wake up early, like today

[lusty grove]

GMS just woke up from a magical thousand year sleep with most of her silk being used to haunt all of Pharloom, she's very weakened at that point

[tight hull]

beat GMS with your foot toes

[boreal berry]

Bro what is that emoji combo in your bio 😭🙏

[fallow sorrel]

Is there a plot, bosses or ending?

[narrow dagger]

someone change the name of this channel to SS discussion

[odd hull]

Probably because GMS looks like radiance. Uh, that's it.. and Radiance's fight happens immediately after THK (in one ending, at least). Everyones kinda forgets how easy THK is.

[narrow dagger]

its not called silk knight

[minor sparrow]

Uh

[lusty grove]

I think THK's difficulty is fine

[minor sparrow]

Don't worry about it

[arctic epoch]

pretty sure it's all yes

[minor sparrow]

Thk is just a transition boss for Radi and that's fine

[fallow sorrel]

They are, I second tried them and I was ass at that point. They're in desperate need of being harder (one of the main reasons why I love PV)

[minor sparrow]

THK and SS are the easy way out ending wise

[lusty grove]

I took like 10 tries to beat it

[tight hull]

what is ss

[minor sparrow]

Sealed siblings

[boreal berry]

FREEZING cold take: Pantheon Zote is harder than GMS

[arctic epoch]

🙏

[fallow sorrel]

It used to be but they changed it because the SS are actually some nazi shit or whatever

[lusty grove]

Pantheon Zote is harder than anything that comes before Pantheon Zote (except Markoth)

[graceful oyster]

Because Discord's AI detection took the server off of discovery

[minor sparrow]

Thk isn't meant to be a hard boss though. It doesn't need to be any harder than it is because it's not really supposed to be the final boss if that makes sense

[graceful oyster]

No one cares about the channel being called ss-disc

[lusty grove]

neither is GMS but everyone talks shit about her

[lusty grove]

it looks ugly

[fallow sorrel]

Oh really? I had no idea it had to do with the ai I genuinely js thought its cuz of the SS

[graceful oyster]

It is

But it wasn't a problem that a human had

Or the mods

[minor sparrow]

Which is whatever. I'd just prefer her to have more than 3 attacks

[lusty grove]

sk-discussion is prettier than ss-discussion

[graceful oyster]

Just crappy robot stuff

Because any human would see the context and be like "Oh! Ss is an acronym for Silksong! They're not talking about nazis there"

[minor sparrow]

Silk knight discussion 🔥 🔥 🔥

[odd hull]

lol I get it. AnySilkBoss (normal mode) and Faded Phantom are cool, I suggest playing those.
I'm currently planning on getting a bunch of boss mods on a full playthrough

[fallow sorrel]

Yeah, it does make sense, story wise too and stuff. The difficulty is incredibly fitting but I just wish it was harder, especially because entering the Radiance fight heals you.

[trim estuary]

Disagreed. hk-disc works aesthetically. sk-disc does not.

[lusty grove]

she has 4 needle configurations, the slash, the silk threads, 2 configurations of falling rocks, and the spikes from the floor

[tight hull]

but wasn't GMS supposed to look like the ultimate goddess that made the weavers, silk and all that shit?

[fallow sorrel]

Duuude I was gonna do a modboss playthrough too. No clue what build to run for it though

[restive ibex]

Yeah, it's the plot relevance that creates a dissonance. She's a godlike creature able to subjugate an entire kingdom, so we expected a challenge similar to radiance.

Thk is just a heavily damaged vessel made to contain an apocalypse, and isn't doing a very good job.

[lusty grove]

she's extremely weakened at that point. Most of her silk is being used to haunt Pharloom, and she was asleep for thousands of years

[earnest drift]

she just woke up give her a break

[lavish apex]

i don't think this is quite a valid reason considering that thk has been literally rotting from the inside for presumably like a few hundred years, and also gms is built up in a way that's way more menacing

[minor sparrow]

She has 4 variations of the same attack, a really easy to dodge attack, 2 environmental hazards and another really easy to dodge attack

[lavish apex]

i.e lace's dialogue at the start of act 2

[fallow sorrel]

If you just woke up from a year long rest where your blood was constantly being used to control people and immediately had to fight someone would you win? No

[earnest drift]

hasn’t grand mother silk been sealed away for even longer

[lusty grove]

ngl the way THK is built up is really cool and menacing
also, yes, THK makes sense to be weaker than GMS... and it IS easier than GMS

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk has been locked up for longer than Hallownest has been around

[restive ibex]

I understand why she's weak. It's just disappointing that all she can do is throw around some pail nails, swipe, and use a simple web.

[lavish apex]

gms doesn't have another god inside of her that is constantly fighting to get out

[lusty grove]

yeah, basically

[earnest drift]

just you wait for the rematch

[minor sparrow]

Yet she has been put in a jail that is meant to weaken her specifically

[lusty grove]

the god fighting to get out is kinda helping the Hollow Knight at killing us tho

[restive ibex]

Hope so

[sharp slate]

This can be summed up in a few ways gameplay difficulty doesnt translate between games because they are two different games

[fallow sorrel]

Can't wait for Mother Silk at the end of Pantheon 4

[odd hull]

I'm probably going for multiple runs for different crests. Witch Crest gonna be the first tho

[earnest drift]

anyway don’t act like having more plot relevance and being a better character is a negative for her bossfight 💀

[tight hull]

but the thing is, all the construction the game makes around GMS and the haunting makes you think "oh wow that boss will be like, really difficult" then you just 1st try her

[lusty grove]

there are thousands of bugs singing for the sole purpose of weakening GMS as we fight her

[earnest drift]

well actually they’re all haunted
it’s cogwork core that’s keeping her asleep

[minor sparrow]

That's not what cheesing means

[restive ibex]

There's a few machines and maybe Sherma, thousands of bugs is a stretch though

[tight hull]

😭 I'm not the best on English mb

[lusty grove]

ngl I don't see a reason why a character with the power of using other bugs to fight for her would be specially at fighting without those bugs

[earnest drift]

what’s funny is that by throwing gms into the void, you inadvertently do the one thing she always wanted
you destroy cogwork core

[minor sparrow]

It's cool, just letting you know

[lusty grove]

they're Haunted but they're still singing

[fallow sorrel]

I was thinking witch but I've literally never touched it before so the bind might be horrid against modded bosses. I also don't think I'd do well with Beast because I have a more defensive playstyle than aggressive (I'm still agressive don't get me wrong, just not enough). I refuse to use Architect and Reaper purely because they piss me off and I've already done a Hunter and Wanderer run.

[restive ibex]

They only sing when you play the needolin

[lusty grove]

they just stop when you get close

[earnest drift]

no he means the choir
you can see them singing

[lusty grove]

no, I mean, those choir guys walk around singing when youre not close

then they stop to fight you, and I would expect them to go back to singing if you don't kill them

so they're always singing

which means GMS is being weakened by them

[tight hull]

why they're singing if they're haunted?

[earnest drift]

the haunting can control them, but it can’t erase their previous behaviour or tasks

[lusty grove]

I guess some bugs have a strong enough will to resist the Haunting at some level

for example, the Skarr

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk would prefer them not to sing, but she needs Hornet’s power more

[lusty grove]

they can still do Skarr stuff even after being Haunted

[fallow sorrel]

The Skarr wish they were Mantis

[lusty grove]

also, the Craws

[earnest drift]

nah the haunting is way harder to avoid than the infection

[fallow sorrel]

Why do some guys not get haunted

[lusty grove]

they can still judge you and do Craw stuff after being Haunted

[lusty grove]

not enough Silk in their bodies, I guess

[earnest drift]

avoiding the infection: don’t dream
avoiding the haunting: don’t eat, drink or breathe too much

[lusty grove]

not dreaming is also hard ngl

[earnest drift]

yes

[lusty grove]

and Hunter says that the infection is basically a gas in the air

[crisp pier]

Why are the people in dirtmouth not infected

[tight hull]

but the infection isn't like, if they even think about radiance then they'll get infecrted?

[minor sparrow]

Wasn't it not listening to her more than not dreaming

[lusty grove]

that can condense to form liquids, then solidify to form flesh, then come to life

[lusty grove]

that is an EXTREMELY hard thing to do

[minor sparrow]

You can't really not dream, you kinda just do that

[fallow sorrel]

Didnt dream or smth ig maybe radiance cant reach

[minor sparrow]

Yeah ik, I was just asking for clarification

[lusty grove]

only the Mantises, who train their whole life to do it, can do it

[crisp pier]

Same with haunting

[smoky bridge]

Just realised Lace calls hornet "little spider" despite the fact, they're obviously grilled.

[minor sparrow]

And pale being and elderbug ig

[smoky bridge]

Despite the fact that they are the same height.

[crisp pier]

There's a theory if you keep ur mind occupied u wont get infected

[lusty grove]

Radiance prob just can't reach them in the Surface

there's probably a lore reason for that

[crisp pier]

liek the mask maker and midwife

[minor sparrow]

Radi is just really convincing

[lusty grove]

maybe Higher Beings have no power in the Surface or something

[lavish apex]

also personally i don't agree with the sentiment that gms is harder than thk at all, especially when you compare them to the rest of their respective games

[lusty grove]

but then there's Grimm

[crisp pier]

G R I M M

[smoky bridge]

I'm still convinced midwife for saved by having that weird ass double mask thin

[lusty grove]

yeah that's what I said

[fallow sorrel]

Probably only works in their domain

[crisp pier]

what

[lavish apex]

lace 2, last judge, widow and phantom are all harder than gms, thk is the hardest of the mandatory bosses in hk1

[minor sparrow]

Ok dude

[fallow sorrel]

Grimm isn't a higher being. The Nightmare Heart is though

[lusty grove]

she's just built different

[lusty grove]

yeah, and they're basically the same person, so who cares

[tight hull]

midwife?

[fallow sorrel]

Me

[crisp pier]

THK is easy i beat him second try

[lusty grove]

Grimm is the Nightmare Heart's little puppet

[minor sparrow]

They're two completely different games lol

[restive ibex]

Didn't work for Myla, who kept her mind occupied, didn't sleep and sang all day.

[fallow sorrel]

Twin

[sharp slate]

i think you could argue watcher knights is harder

[smoky bridge]

She has a mask over an already beastly self. Basically I think she's too feral as is, to get radiance'd, and the mask she has overtop keeps her able to do stuff, still.

[crisp pier]

Traitor lord is prolly harder

[lavish apex]

hardest doesn't necessarily mean hard in general for everyone

[tight hull]

I hate traitor lord on queen's garen

[lavish apex]

gms is also easy

[smoky bridge]

Like talk to the knight. And be polite so they come close so she can try to eat them.

[crisp pier]

There's also a theory she got infected cuz of the crystals they do stuff

[restive ibex]

This is hard work, but I don't mind. Down here, I can k-keep working without even sleeping. It's fun!

Myla

[odd hull]

Witch's bind is specially fun with claw mirrors + multibinder, aand cross stitch for more protection. Probably my favorite playstyle even tho I'm not that good with it tbh.
And yeah, I ain't using Architect either, but I'm really excited to play with Beast (getting your ass beaten refreshes the experience Ig)

What do you think of Shaman's crest?

[sharp slate]

both thk and gms are designed to be easy because they a designed to be played with different levels of gear, not to mention GMS is designed to be beat with the cursed crest

[lusty grove]

"too feral to get radiance'd" meanwhile mindless mosquitoes being infected

[lavish apex]

mmmaybe

[lusty grove]

AND super infected later

[restive ibex]

Yeah. My point is that it's not as simple as "don't sleep and keep your mind occupied"

The radiance has many avenues for infection

[minor sparrow]

Also HK just has easier bosses imo

[sharp slate]

if you get full gear you will steamroll thk and gms because thats how its designed

[minor sparrow]

Hardest of easy bosses doesn't mean you aren't easy

[lavish apex]

if you know how to use ddark i would say probably not

[sharp slate]

I died a lot less in silksong than i died in hk, but i played hk first so

[lavish apex]

but i did struggle way more with watcher knights on my first playthrough

[smoky bridge]

Hence me thinking the "second" mask is important.

[minor sparrow]

And then you also have to think that the games are formatted differently

[tight hull]

I always forget about this detail of the cursed gms😭 but cursed gms is a lot more fun than normal

[lusty grove]

masks play a major role in mind stuff

[lavish apex]

i never said thk is hard lol

[lusty grove]

see: both mask makers

[minor sparrow]

Also I think I found mantis lords harder than thk iirc but that was years ago so I don't actually remember

[lusty grove]

and Quirrel

[crisp pier]

whos gms

[lusty grove]

and all Dreamers

[restive ibex]

HK bosses are harder blind, because the telegraphing is way too strong in Silksong.

The only boss that follows Hollow Knight boss design standards on Silksong is Karmelita, and she's widely considered one of the hardest fights

[sharp slate]

hk has a better difficulty curve as well so thats why it can seem easier, silksongs difficulty jumps are pretty big in some sections, bell beast, widow, Last judge,

[sharp slate]

grand mother silk

[smoky bridge]

I don't know how to explain what I am thinking about it properly. The masks are meant to protect you. The masks of the Beasts (devouts, Midwife, etc) are weird they are unusually tough masks, they are also weapons. They're special masks somehow.

[lavish apex]

i said hardest of the mandatory bosses, completely different statment that also leaves out most of the video game
my point was also that gms is definitely not the hardest of the mandatory bosses in silksong

[crisp pier]

its cuz ur become more skillful as u progress

[lusty grove]

HK Mask Maker when you take off it's mask: "Oh, look, now I can loredump!"
Silksong Mask Maker when you take off it's mask: "well fuck you too, bitch"

[minor sparrow]

I didn't say you did, I'm just talking about how you said thk is the hardest required hk boss when that isn't really relevant

[lavish apex]

even if you don't get max gear before fighting her

[tight hull]

also, with mid air bind makes a lot of new healing windows on silksong

[coarse leaf]

nerf karmelita or nerf karmelita

[smoky bridge]

THK is not the hardest required gweh.

[still osprey]

I'm groaling it rn

[minor sparrow]

And I don't even think it's the hardest required either

[lusty grove]

keep Karmelita the same

[smoky bridge]

Watchuh knights

[coarse leaf]

i got to her phase 2 and died

[smoky bridge]

Buff Karmelita.

[lusty grove]

skill issue, try harder

[crisp pier]

unemployed

[fervent yew]

i hated karmelita but god her theme was a banger

hated groal too

[lavish apex]

buff karmelita, make her disable red tools

[tight hull]

but watcher knights isn't that hard when you get the shadow dash

[smoky bridge]

Try her with Beast Crest.

[lusty grove]

cool, now fight Groal anyway

[restive ibex]

Not to mention that Drifters Cloak means if you take a bad jump, you can still avoid punishment rather frequently. A bad jump in HK guarantees damage

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but they piss me off.

[sharp slate]

The bosses feel ALOT more consistent in skong

[fallow sorrel]

Shaman is alright, but it's super later into the game. The bind is kinda annoying and overly dangerous for alot of the Act 3 bosses (and Coral Tower gauntlet). The range is nice but I lowk don't think I could ever learn it so I mostly keep it for Flea games. As for the lack of red tools, there are quite a few I like and having to go without them is annoying. I only really like Cross Stitch anyways so the other 2 slots are kinda lost on me.

[fervent yew]

i actually just cheesed groal, i main wanderers crest

[sharp slate]

i think i died to karmalita once on my first playthrough i need to check my list of deaths

[smoky bridge]

You never really get Watcher knight wombo combod in Silksong. Unless you're actively failing to stifle the addons

[tight hull]

ngl I got stuck on them for a long time on my first playthrough

[crisp pier]

where do i get that tool which neglects damage while healing

[restive ibex]

I think they went overboard with the telegraphing, which is why no one dies at Khann

[still osprey]

god forbid someone wants to learn new tricks and improve in one of their favorite games

[smoky bridge]

I hate when one rolls and the other jumps so it's just "Woaw! I guess I'll die"

[sharp slate]

Fair, hes also a very simple boss tbh and only speeds up at the end

[crisp pier]

its a joke BadTie they

[fervent yew]

i liked khann and the flower girl in act 3, was very fun

[lusty grove]

when you get hit while healing in HK: "aw, shucks! well, at least I can try again later"
when you get hit while healing in Silksong: "I want to kill everyone at Team Cherry and then myself"

[smoky bridge]

It's a shit joke. 🚬

[minor sparrow]

It's a whatever joke 3/10

[smoky bridge]

-2

[crisp pier]

Rude :(

[smoky bridge]

If it was easy to get a job nowadays it would be slightly funny.

[tight hull]

the only difficulty at Khann is the coral tower (which isn't hard when you learn it)

[restive ibex]

-Y forever

[minor sparrow]

Not particularly

[fallow sorrel]

Nyleth mentioned

[fervent yew]

i also liked the sentinel was very fun : ')

[tight hull]

Khann pointing out where he's going to attack is so funny

[smoky bridge]

But like. Man. Stop talking. And I say that as an employed person.

[lusty grove]

getting hit in HK while healing: now you're down two masks
getting hit in Silksong while you're healing: now you're down- woah! you're dead!

[restive ibex]

If he didn't have very long very obvious telegraphs I think people would see him very differently

[smoky bridge]

((fuckin hate this job, I'm gonna kill those horses and then myself))

[restive ibex]

But that's not really provable

[smoky bridge]

Anyways

[crisp pier]

Is that implied towards me

[sharp slate]

it is where im at... literally could get you one right now

[trim estuary]

Can we glaze Crawfather

[smoky bridge]

Specifically about the "unemployed" joke. Like let's not. Come on.

[fervent yew]

the gauntlet lead up towards khann definitelt pissed me off. i loved crawfather too aagj!!

[lusty grove]

where are you, Cuba after the US collapsed in 2058?

[arctic epoch]

depends on the kinds of job you are open to work to

[coarse leaf]

BRO I FUCKING DIED ON THIS STUPID KARMELITA BITCH LAST PHASE

[trim estuary]

Thank you

[rotund gate]

Lace Mitosis

[trim estuary]

Still going huh

[fervent yew]

yes :) crawfather was really fun to me

[still osprey]

Silksong bosses are awesome because I have something positive to say about basically every boss in this game

[crisp pier]

its not even that deep

[smoky bridge]

I am a stable girl I work with the animal I hate the most.

[tight hull]

why people see karm as a pick me girl?

[coarse leaf]

yes is that bad

[minor sparrow]

Zango

[sharp slate]

i hate talking about non-silksong stuff but im gonna be brutally honest since convo came up, its still pretty easy to get a job, its just people dont want to fucking work in manufacturing for a bit till they get a better job (at least in my area)

[coarse leaf]

because she is

[rotund gate]

Green Trobbio

[lusty grove]

Voltvyrm
I'm not shitting on Voltvyrm, I just doubt a regular Silksong fan would have something to say about them

[fallow sorrel]

Gng inagine you're a sniper, working with Khann and right before you pull the trigger he screams "LOOK OUT AT 12 O'CLOCK"

[rotund gate]

Voltwyrm

[trim estuary]

I am merely observing

[tight hull]

broodmother

[still osprey]

Zango is funny as fuck

he may not be a good boss but even conceptually he is hilarious

[smoky bridge]

Horses are the worst animal to ever exist. 🚬

[fervent yew]

ii'd recommend stocking up on flea brews and down-attacking karmelita xDD definitelt got me through phase 2 w/ wanderers crest

[lusty grove]

it's hard to get a job that pays a honorable amount

[sharp slate]

voltvyrm sucks and zango

[smoky bridge]

Anyways.
Zango is not a boss I do not respect Zango.

[fervent yew]

oops wrong reply

[lusty grove]

I love Voltvyrm, fuck Zango

[still osprey]

Volt Filament is a great reward and purple is a nice color

[subtle lynx]

Zango is a boss

[fallow sorrel]

Nyleth is the best

[fervent yew]

zango sucked i hate him TwT nyleth was reallt fun

[smoky bridge]

Just not real.

[crisp pier]

Get into the army you get memberships and housing

[fallow sorrel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/clap-enjin-yefe009-jKKNn2HQUH7KeDeBjM

[subtle lynx]

She would be one of the better bosses if she wasn't easier than moss mother

[smoky bridge]

[lusty grove]

"oh you're having a hard time finding a job? get into the g3nocide machine and kill some children!"

[trim estuary]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lunacid/images/c/c5/Mare.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20221218023800

[sharp slate]

nyleth is okay, a bit too gimmicky of a boss for me

and here go the politics time

[fallow sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-super-saiyan-4-prowler-prowler-meme-goku-prowler-meme-gif-10020538754174487507

[arctic epoch]

well if we're talking honorable amount it's a different story, because people chase for it, and the world evolve by the seconds as we speak. The requirements up its stage and so do we

But one thing is for sure, labour work welcome anyone and if you're just fresh outta life and really need quick money and experience in work environment, it's good to start in manufacturing - at least from where i am - and make some friends too at that

[crisp pier]

Who tf said it has to be the IDF

[smoky bridge]

She not easier than moss mother.

[subtle lynx]

There's not really a gimmick to nyleth, it's just that the floor disappears after a while

[fervent yew]

nodnod, definitely a gimmicky boss but once you learn her movements and attacks it gets fun

[smoky bridge]

I do like Nyleth she is pretty and also pretty fun.

[lusty grove]

okay, name an army that does NOT directly contribute to war and g3nocide

[still osprey]

Nyleth is fine. Not my favorite boss but it's pretty good

[smoky bridge]

I like pretty ladies I am da big gay

[fallow sorrel]

I love pogoing, flowers are pretty and Nyleth is beautiful. Live Love Nyleth

[fervent yew]

yeah, definitelt pretty and seth was fun to figjt

[sharp slate]

can we please fucking not with the politics

[tight hull]

what do you guys think about palestag?

[lusty grove]

ok

[lusty grove]

I WANT THAT THING TO BURN IN HELL

[smoky bridge]

Sseth is fun using Beaste

[crisp pier]

America

[still osprey]

No Eyes but better

[lusty grove]

...
...
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fervent yew]

nodnod, made me smile using wanderers xDD i loved trying to get to seth it was fun parkour

[subtle lynx]

Nyleth defenders try to mention STH good about the boss without mentioning that they are attracted to her challenge (impossible):

[arctic epoch]

i hate when the fucking topic takes a turn for the worse when i'm genuinely just trying to discuss in here
Fuck all of you

[coarse leaf]

yall are ragebaiters

[fervent yew]

i never said i was attracted to her

[sharp slate]

have a trobbio2 video peeps

[coarse leaf]

nerf karmelita

[restive ibex]

Ew GTFO. That's disgusting to even suggest. Chat might be full of questionable people, but suggesting they volunteer to die for a pedophile president in some shitty war is beyond disgraceful

[crisp pier]

The point of an armed forcce establishment is to protect the nation ofc it will contribrute to war dude

[smoky bridge]

Listen.

[sharp slate]

god you guys are so fucking annoying go to dms

[arctic epoch]

stop discussing this politic shit, the mods are watching.

[sharp slate]

god forbid we want to talk about silksong

[arctic epoch]

please, have some common sense 🙏

[crisp pier]

It depends on what country ur from

[lusty grove]

I will not continue this discussion cuz the guy with the cat pfp asked me not to

[light swan]

yooo the silksong modding youtuber i’ve been sending is uploading mio videos

[subtle lynx]

(they are not)

[fervent yew]

genuinely please stop talking about politics and move to dms

[crisp pier]

Gen1

[restive ibex]

Eat shit bootlicker

[arctic epoch]

you never know

[fallow sorrel]

As much as I love Nyleth and all things relating to her I don't like Seth. Like I like him as a character and the actual real world backstory behind him is heart shattering and I can only give nothing but respect to that but his bossfight was kinda just annoying. It felt like Shakra 2 but worse and was overall boring.

[smoky bridge]

It is better. To be gay about the flower bug. Than to be doing this thing that is happening rn.

[subtle lynx]

Doesn't seem like they are

[lusty grove]

I like the gimmick

[sharp slate]

seth is definetely one of my top bosses as well tbh

[crisp pier]

im also not going to continue ts convo cuz ur just nonsense

[lusty grove]

and the fight is fun

[arctic epoch]

because it hasn't evolved to the point that its full toxicity and constant trolling

[fervent yew]

so fuckin uncomfortable with these politics

[still osprey]

that's unfortunate I personally love Seth, he's top 5 bosses imo

[unkempt steeple]

got steel soul normal ending

[subtle lynx]

He's good but the fight has nothing memorable

[fervent yew]

amazing !!

[sharp slate]

I think top 3 bosses for me are karm, seth, and sentinel

[lusty grove]

peak OST tho

[still osprey]

Seth himself is memorable enough for me

[restive ibex]

Keep your recruitment dogshit out of fucking metroidvania discussion, loser

[unkempt steeple]

thx

[subtle lynx]

I'm talking about the FIGHT

[lusty grove]

I kinda like it

[subtle lynx]

It's just a toned down lost lace

[sharp slate]

stop dragging this out and shut up please

[lusty grove]

it's a fun fight

[still osprey]

sentinel is not a common pick but I hella respect it, super good boss

[crisp pier]

ily (brotherly)

[subtle lynx]

Or it's just a preparation for lost lace, since they play very similar

[smoky bridge]

Americanos

[lusty grove]

I agree with you, but that's exactly what they were trying to do with that message

[sharp slate]

yea hes oddly forgetable but when i was doing hitless pratice, i started to love his fight

[fallow sorrel]

Yes, I am attracted to Nyleth. But that doesn't contribute to how much I love her. She has a pretty design and as an added bonus is attractive. #1 Nyleth Fan out.

[unkempt steeple]

the LIE behind me....

[fervent yew]

xDD still trying to beat lost lace.. i definitely am failing

[restive ibex]

They shouldn't have started to begin with.

[unkempt steeple]

I like both shakra and seth

[subtle lynx]

I always forget it exists, ig it's the Oro and mato of this game

[lusty grove]

yeah that is true

[sharp slate]

hardest boss tbh, at least for me, she kicked me quite a bit

[fiery burrow]

Nyleth is kinda miserable for any crest except for hunter and wanderer imo

[fervent yew]

shakra is SO fun!!

[fiery burrow]

I mean you can't heal on Shaman

[sharp slate]

it is really funny tbh xD

[lusty grove]

Second Sentinel is kind of a shitty fight

[subtle lynx]

I never though of that, but also reaper has it easy

[still osprey]

My second sentinel hitless is lowkey one of my favorite silksong clips of mine idk I'm just really happy with how I played I think

[unkempt steeple]

true I hope we get a harder version one day

[crisp pier]

i beat the game today and thought i was almost done but yall are naming stuff i dont even know what it means

[arctic epoch]

how is it miserable for any crest tho? maybe except for the minor inconvenience that is beast?

[lusty grove]

shitty boss on a shitty arena with someone else's theme

[fiery burrow]

The fight is fun but that alone is kinda egregious imo

[smoky bridge]

She... ait on beast tbh a bit wonky cause you gotta dedicate a dragon's share of silk to clawlining.

[fervent yew]

haha, lost shakra could be fun

[sharp slate]

cross stitch is insane on him, i use sharpdart though due to habit i think i have a clip let me check

[lusty grove]

and the quest leading to it is so boring

[coarse leaf]

DUDE

FUCK YALL

[heavy arch]

can anyone help me

[subtle lynx]

The vast majority of the bosses have a shared theme, at least second sentinel shares it with a gaunlet and not another boss

[coarse leaf]

I JUST DIED TO KARMELITA.

[heavy arch]

in #sk-help

[smoky bridge]

But you can clash the AOE with the pogo which is neat.

[coarse leaf]

PHASE 3 AGAIN

[arctic epoch]

clawline gives you the silk back when you hit your target tho

[fallow sorrel]

Sure, but Shamans range and the fact that like 4 out of the 6 silk skills are incredibly good against her make up for that.

[trim estuary]

No thank you!

[lusty grove]

yeah but the gaunglet is 10 times more memorable than the boss

[coarse leaf]

woww

[smoky bridge]

Yeah, but you do not get any extra, compared to just hitting the enemy.

[subtle lynx]

I mean yeah, it is the hardest phase

[fiery burrow]

Are we fr bro

[smoky bridge]

So you get less silk per bind.

[sharp slate]

After a ton of pratice

[arctic epoch]

yeah, probably because you also have to HIT nyleth 😭

[coarse leaf]

YEA IM need TO CHANGE MY TOOLS

[trim estuary]

That’s because Shaman’s bind gimmick Sucks

[coarse leaf]

IM LIT USING COMPASS AND DEAD PURSE

[subtle lynx]

The gaunlet is mandatory and also the hardest gaunlet so it is an unfair comparison in that regard, but I agree second sentinel is very forgettable

[arctic epoch]

Here's my favourite second sentinel gif

[fiery burrow]

This is true

[arctic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/second-sentinel-ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-gif-14144986572548286793

[coarse leaf]

oh and dice which i AM keeping

[kind tide]

Erm, guys?

[fiery burrow]

We might have a situation here...

[kind tide]

[smoky bridge]

... Brother. I am just telling you that it is wonkier than usual because you get your silk slower, so you cannot upkeep the fury 100%

[subtle lynx]

Wow cross shit being shit, what a surprise

[fallow sorrel]

Yes the hell we are. She isn't even hard to not get hit by, especially with Cross Stitch.

[smoky bridge]

That was just mistimed???

[sharp slate]

i love how his spin attack drags you up into the air with him xD

[fervent yew]

i love cross stitch aagh!! favorite ability

[coarse leaf]

well how do i do phase 3 instantly no bs

[still osprey]

Daamn great fight, I'm not as good yet but I'm hoping to be soon 🫡

[smoky bridge]

Cross stitch my beloved.

[unkempt steeple]

god no

[arctic epoch]

oh no, dear friend
this is from THE witch user himself

[fiery burrow]

OK but if you struggle with her its pretty bad

[unkempt steeple]

we better not get lost versions for rematches

[fervent yew]

lmaoo

[fiery burrow]

A boss should never just flat out not have an opportunity to heal

That's bad game design

[subtle lynx]

That would be terrible

[trim estuary]

You already know we’re getting Lost and Plasmified instead of Ascended and Radiant

[smoky bridge]

I mean that's only a problem on shaman.
The "Healing is now a major pain in the ass" crest.

[subtle lynx]

Get that act 3 stuff out of here

[minor sparrow]

Every crest can do nyleth just fine with the exception of shamans and that's it

[coarse leaf]

should i use wanderer crest

[unkempt steeple]

the only good lost version is lace becuse it acctually seems like the void attacks were made for her

[arctic epoch]

hmmm... i wonder...

[lusty grove]

Second Sentinel is a good character, but honestly a pretty mid one compared to the other Silksong characters
the bossfight is shitty, the arena is ugly, and the soundtrack is someone else's (specifically the most memorable gaunglet in the game)
and it doesn't do that much for the lore (yes, it shares an attack with Pinstress, but she literally says what happened way before, the attack is just redundant)

[fervent yew]

yeah, i say so. big wanderers crest main lawl

[sharp slate]

if you enjoy the nail speed go brrr yes

[fervent yew]

love rhe shorter nail and speed lmao

[minor sparrow]

Technically you can also fall to the floor if you have enough silk to bind to spawn the respawn platform and bind

[earnest drift]

[subtle lynx]

And even then, the void attacks are the easier attacks to play around, lost lace phase 2 is easier than phase 1

[tight hull]

bro has allergy to act 3

[sharp slate]

i run wanderers because it lets me focus and optimize the boss more

[subtle lynx]

Because it sucks

[earnest drift]

I like lost garmond though

[trim estuary]

WE are allergic to Act 3

[subtle lynx]

I hate it

[fervent yew]

nodnod, have to agree w/ ya

[minor sparrow]

Eh

[smoky bridge]

Gaunglet...

If the attack weren't there it would be weird. I also just. Like the cross shaped attack, the design is pretty neat, and the arena... Is kinda ugly, but it's mostly a lore area.

[coarse leaf]

but i do SO good with hunter

[tight hull]

well the good things about act 3 are the baby bellbeasts and the old hearts

[subtle lynx]

The only good thing about act 3 are the dream sequences and lost lace, everything else sucks

[lusty grove]

the bossfight itself is pretty bad

[earnest drift]

SECOND SENTINEL IS PEAK

[trim estuary]

AND CRAWFATHER

[subtle lynx]

The other bosses suck, the world and gameplay of pharloom act 3 sucks

[smoky bridge]

I like crawfather.

[subtle lynx]

Pushover bossfight, next!

[minor sparrow]

Abyss climb and atmosphere are pretty cool

[trim estuary]

secsen has more character than garmond which is kinda crazy

[tight hull]

you enjoyed watching zaza tremble in fear while you kill their best friend?

[smoky bridge]

A lot actually.
He's well designed for such a simple bossfight.

[fallow sorrel]

Yeah, I get it. But as I said, 4 out of the 6 silk skills melt her and you don't have to get as close to her to get Silk. Just throw on Cross Stitch, Pale Nails and either Thread Storm or Silkspear and you should have a pretty free win if you play your cards (short way of saying Cross Stitch) right.

[unkempt steeple]

lost garmond has the same issue as the act 2 garmond boss fight, calling it a fight is a stretch imo, feels more like a cutscene to conclude garmond's story

[lusty grove]

I'm just stating my (shitty) analysis of the character/boss

[earnest drift]

I enjoy suffering

[subtle lynx]

Abyss climb is good, but the abyss area sucks

[lusty grove]

...no?

[fervent yew]

IMO, the abyss was too small

[trim estuary]

yeah

[minor sparrow]

The one at the start?

[earnest drift]

I found him about as hard as any other boss

[smoky bridge]

At no point am I convinced Garmond knows he is alive.

[amber aspen]

hii

[still osprey]

Skipping Groal just to kill him anyway

[smoky bridge]

Dude acts as if he was constantly on a very bad acid trip.

[earnest drift]

I like Pharloom’s abyss, it’s nice to see life in the void

[minor sparrow]

Flexing on him

[tight hull]

https://giphy.com/gifs/aeqkkJG8KNyDou9Ibb

[subtle lynx]

Idk it has nothing interesting, just a bunch of annoying enemies and shitty platform (besides abyss climb)

[fervent yew]

lmao have to agree big time

[subtle lynx]

The abyss in HK was so cool

[lusty grove]

"this guy with 5 seconds of screentime and three lines of dialogue has more character than the most well-written tragedy of today's world"

[minor sparrow]

I'm actually pretty chill with abyss platforming

[trim estuary]

We got “void given form” though! Soyjak at it!

[coarse leaf]

i can no hit phase 1 but i cant beat phase 2 and phase 3

[subtle lynx]

That was in HK already

[fervent yew]

yeah, in SK there was nothing to return FOR besides plot reasons

[coarse leaf]

is something wrong with me?

[earnest drift]

what was good about hk’s abyss again

[restive ibex]

His whole arc is about pushing himself to death over survivors guilt. I think he's meant to come across as kind of dumb and overzealous

[smoky bridge]

Garmond? Best written??

[lusty grove]

the vibes

[earnest drift]

seeing so many shades and corpses was creepy but other than that

[tight hull]

I think the difference is because that the abyss in hk got a more open space while sk got an abyss with kind of small space

[lusty grove]

...nah, just the vibes

[smoky bridge]

Oh yeah but I mean. Mechanically.

[lusty grove]

HK's vibes are better than Silksong's vibes

[earnest drift]

and yes I do think second sentinel is better than garmond

[fallow sorrel]

Groal watching as some random girl comes from the direction he was defending just to absolutely blitz him for fun is a crazy thing to think about

[minor sparrow]

Abyss in hk got more focus design wise because it's integral to the chracter

[smoky bridge]

Narratively I really like Garmond.

[trim estuary]

yeah that’s why you soyjak at it

[smoky bridge]

But his duel is deeply funny because I do not think... He has a decision-making matrix that is functioning well.

[restive ibex]

Yeah he's just charging and swinging lol

[earnest drift]

silksong’s abyss has a boss that’s the best boss in the series so that makes it better

[tight hull]

but isn't the abyss the main thing about act 3?

[smoky bridge]

I think the code just randomly slams attacks.

[lusty grove]

he's like a lawful good Zote

[earnest drift]

yes but it’s a plot twist, it’s not entrained in Pharloom’s history

[subtle lynx]

The fact that there was no life in there besides shades and the moving rock enemies was what made it cool, and the old infrastructure, here we have none of that, the area is just void vines and weaver infrastructure which we have seen a bunch off, the area also doesn't have any connections to the main game lore, it's only relevant because of the consequences in the game

[trim estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-kris-milk-undertale-chocolate-milk-gif-1493062813604239229

[coarse leaf]

WOW

[fervent yew]

technically, the abyss is also integral to hornet due to it being the birthplace of the knight we all know and love and whom saved you

[trim estuary]

Did you win?

[tight hull]

alright makes sense

[earnest drift]

I don’t see the issue
being different doesn’t mean it’s bad

[subtle lynx]

It's not integral to her character, she just stumbles upon it

[fervent yew]

eh yeah true

[lusty grove]

HK is worse than Silksong is basically every aspect... except vibes

[smoky bridge]

I mean. The fact that Weavers were messing around in there is pretty interesting.

[subtle lynx]

Nothing in hornet's character is related to void, which made it odd when she mentions she fears the void no longer, like when was that a thing to being with

[fiery burrow]

This is true

[minor sparrow]

No, that's integral to the knight. That has nothing to do with hornet even if they're her sibling

[lusty grove]

she wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the existence of the Abyss

[smoky bridge]

It might be explored more in the DLC's I hope. Sea of Sorrow seems like it's gonna be weaver focused.

[subtle lynx]

It leads to absolutely nothing, just some lore tablets and that's it

[fiery burrow]

I did her with shaman this was just a bad part of the fight imo

[earnest drift]

she killed dozens of vessels because she was afraid of what they’d do to Hallownest

[subtle lynx]

Again, because she stumbled upon it, not because she's related on any way

[exotic dome]

[coarse leaf]

NO

[fiery burrow]

HK map design mogs SS

[coarse leaf]

this need sto be nerfed

nerf her to the ground

[exotic dome]

except lore

[subtle lynx]

That's like saying balor or whatever the bell guy's name is , is important to hornet because he saved her life

[lusty grove]

no, I mean, she wouldn't have been born
her parents only got together cuz her father found the Abyss and thought it was a good idea to put dead babies there

[earnest drift]

when hornet says she remains “a daughter of Hallownest” she says it because void is a significant part of Hallownest’s history and it’s ironic of her to have ever been afraid of it

[exotic cedar]

I liked exploring in hk more

[lusty grove]

Ballow, and do not disrespect him

[earnest drift]

hk lore is ass lmao

[coarse leaf]

i feel like i should remove my spikes

what should i replace it with

[subtle lynx]

That literally has absolutely nothing to do with hornet, she exists because pale king wanted to put a lock to the black egg

[fervent yew]

flea brew is toptier

[coarse leaf]

noi

[exotic cedar]

She also said it for hype moments and aura, so she can shock and give goosebumps to the older players

[smoky bridge]

I like da story and lore of both games. I am easy to please, perhaps.

[trim estuary]

TRUTH NUKE!!! Silksong is so linear it hurts

[coarse leaf]

what about uh

/tacks

[fiery burrow]

yes please give me more linear paths in act 1 and boring fetch quests instead of actual metroidvania progression in act 2 😍 i love absolutely no exploration in act 3 give me more unskippable cutscenes and bosses 😻

[minor sparrow]

HK discord try to bring up HK and SK in the same context without insulting one of them challenge

[fervent yew]

well tacks is okay for karmelita, do you not have flea brew or something?

[lusty grove]

Hornet is the daughter of the Pale King, and the Void is intrinsically tied to the Pale King, as stated by both White Lady and Pale King's dead corpse surrounded by failed Void constructs

[subtle lynx]

Nobody is insulting nothing

[restive ibex]

You could go full face tank beast and it's basically cheese with how effective it is

[fiery burrow]

I'm insulting

[exotic cedar]

Act 1 is like
Right up left up right and boom you are in the citadel

[earnest drift]

hollow knight had no regular metroidvania progression between forgotten crossroads and city of tears

[fiery burrow]

I fully intend to disparage silksong

[lusty grove]

Hornet is surrounded by people who are deeply and personally affected by the Void
saying that the Void has nothing to do with her is stupid

[minor sparrow]

#sk-discussion message

[subtle lynx]

Again, hornet has no relation to the void at all, knowing someone related to void does not make her related to it if she was never involved with it in any way

[earnest drift]

hornet killed dozens of vessels because she was afraid of what they’d do to hallownest

[subtle lynx]

She literally just meets the void for the first time in the events of the first game I think, and she doesn't even drop below the abyss door

[smoky bridge]

People come to this chat mostly to complain it seems. Lmao.

[light swan]

man gms fucking sucks

why cant silksong be good

[fiery burrow]

[earnest drift]

afraid of void

[light swan]

all of you guys should play mio or youre bums

[subtle lynx]

Well that person has terrible opinions so whatever

[fervent yew]

gms isreallt easy to kill if you spam atk w/ wanderers frest

[fallow sorrel]

Man Nyleth isn't fucking bad

[smoky bridge]

See this is why people keep talking about Mio.

[restive ibex]

Does Mio not have a discord?

[light swan]

it does!

[lusty grove]

she kills hundreds of Vessels, she most probably met the Hollow Knight, she was at her father's palace which was full of Void constructs, she knows how the Void constructs work, ect

[minor sparrow]

He's joking

[light swan]

but most of our friends in the mio discord also talk here

[fiery burrow]

(Mio) Going to ||redacted from foundations|| absolutely blew my mind man

[subtle lynx]

It mustn't cause otherwise you can't explain the amount of people talking about it here

[light swan]

which is why mio conversations naturally sprout up here

[earnest drift]

why didn’t pale king just lock the hollow knight outside of Hallownest plot hole gahhhhh

[fervent yew]

oh oops TwT completely missed the joke omfg

[smoky bridge]

Hey if it stops people from complaining for five minutes, it's worth it.

[trim estuary]

They should ban Silksong fans from it

[lusty grove]

cuz then how would it contain the Radiance?

[light swan]

too bad i just explained the amount of people talking about it here

[minor sparrow]

It's fine dw about it

[fervent yew]

xDD thank you, sick pfp btw

[smoky bridge]

Why didn't they take Hallownest, and put it somewhere else.

[subtle lynx]

Again, she knows people related to the void, she is not related to it in any way. Does that mean that nosk is related to the void? He killed a bunch of vessels too

[blazing ocean]

MAMAMIA

[exotic cedar]

My favorite thing to do in this channel is clickling mio spoilers and reading them and understanding nothing

[earnest drift]

1. Seal radiance in thk
2. Send thk far away from Hallownest and lock them up there
3. Radiance is too far away to infect Hallownest

[fiery burrow]

Good...

[minor sparrow]

Cause then the radiance gets out and no one can do anything about it cause no one knows where tf she is

[blazing ocean]

He wasnt smart enough

[earnest drift]

how would she get out

[smoky bridge]

She can get out in some waste who cares :v

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[minor sparrow]

The same way she does in the game????

[earnest drift]

she’s locked in thk

[lusty grove]

Hornet's life was deeply and intrinsically affected by the Void ever since before she was born, you can't just say it has nothing to do with her

[subtle lynx]

Oh so monomom is related to the void too, her life changed thanks to it as well

[earnest drift]

if the pale king just destroyed the statue on Hallownest’s crown would the problem be solved

[blazing ocean]

No

[minor sparrow]

If someone doesn't kill THK she's free to spread her influence

[smoky bridge]

Yeah, she got coma'd

[fiery burrow]

I REMAIN THE TEACHER OF HALLOWNEST, AND THE DARKNESS BELOW, I SHALL FEAR NO LONGER 🗣️

[minor sparrow]

What?

[lusty grove]

yes, but mostly because Monomon studied the Void and probably found out about everything the Void can do

[earnest drift]

how could she do that if she’s 10 km from Hallownest

[exotic cedar]

🥶🥶🥶

[smoky bridge]

I mean... It is possible tbh.

[subtle lynx]

Yeah no, I don't think so

[exotic dome]

mios level design is better than silksong

[minor sparrow]

Only if that's the only reason she's remembered

[lusty grove]

she has lore tablets talking about the Void

[fiery burrow]

I agree

imo Silksong shines in combat and art direction

[lusty grove]

she is the Teacher, her job is to study stuff

[blazing ocean]

Bro why tf is the sprintmaster momento so hard like oml

[light swan]

am i the only person who likes mio combat

[earnest drift]

hornet is linked to the void because
she was born as part of a plan that involved taking a child from the void
she killed dozens of void beings because she was afraid of what they’d do to hallownest

[lusty grove]

that was probably the only reason she was called to be a Dreamer

[fervent yew]

high halls gauntlet pissed me OFF xDD

[exotic dome]

act 2 is fine others i agree

[smoky bridge]

Monomon did do some studies into containment of radiance, and the formation of vessels, presumably at the request of the pale king.

[blazing ocean]

[restive ibex]

I think you need a bit more distance than a 2~3 hours walk away from hallownest

[fiery burrow]

If I want platforming and good map design Mio would be my go to if you want really good map design I play HK

[minor sparrow]

Infect the minds of her captors, return to the minds of those who still remember her

[tight hull]

I hate hhg last wave

[smoky bridge]

She also like. Probably tried to make her own containemtn vessels, with the uUwUu

[exotic dome]

i love silksong despite its flaws

[subtle lynx]

Which is enough for me, I've replayed Silksong 3 times already while I didn't have this thrive to replay the first game after like 6 months

[earnest drift]

Hallownest is like 5 km wide at most
radiance’s influence couldn’t reach that distance

[blazing ocean]

Btw 10km is cannoically irl for bugs a 30hour travel or smh

[earnest drift]

I love silksong because it doesn’t have flaws

[smoky bridge]

Gwuhh?

[blazing ocean]

It does

[lusty grove]

she was probably trying to make a being without a mind, then failed, and resorted to Void

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-shocked-gif-9885796698302419555

[earnest drift]

name 80 of them

[minor sparrow]

Canonically followed by irl is weird

[blazing ocean]

80 damn

[light swan]

man gms's 6 damaging attack is difficult

[fervent yew]

YESS i got the umm aag forgot his nae i got the other helper thats not shakra i havent played in a few months

[light swan]

because im too aggressive

[tight hull]

garmond

[earnest drift]

meanwhile I’ll name 80 good things about silksong

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 itself is lame ass shit and it doesn't feel like metroidvania

[fervent yew]

yeah thanks xDD why did i forget garmond and zaza

[broken seal]

saying a character is linked to the void isn't the same as saying they're made of it or that it has any control over them or them over it.

[exotic cedar]

Act 1 is linear and wishes are absolutely boring in replays

[blazing ocean]

I mean squat crows is all the 80

[minor sparrow]

Are you doing any silk? What's going on over there?

[subtle lynx]

The first second of the lost garmond battle
The second second of the lost garmond battle
The third second of the list garmond battle

[lusty grove]

exactly

[tight hull]

SEENZIMBOOOOOO

[lusty grove]

damn

[broken seal]

Hornet is linked to void, but she's not made of it and she doesn't have influence over it or it over her

[exotic cedar]

Most bosses also suck, and most refights arent creative

[restive ibex]

Can't hornet throw her needle 30 yards??? I'm 100% sure they inhabitants of the world aren't tiny bugs. They are scaled up

[fiery burrow]

🤔

[earnest drift]

i just don’t like Quirrel he’s generic and unoriginal

[minor sparrow]

Wait bro might have a point

[fiery burrow]

dude the new cover art goes so hard

[fervent yew]

oh my god

[blazing ocean]

Sorry but hornet should be the size of an irl needle

[lusty grove]

she can probably throw her needle an arbitrary length with enough Silk

[subtle lynx]

Damn bro, you might want to do real life grass percent

[exotic dome]

flawed masterpiece

[kind tide]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-tornado-sora-monkey-holding-door-cooked-gif-12685575598928792175

[fiery burrow]

Anyway I also like Silksong I'm just whining

[sharp slate]

my god 1900 hours even i dont have that much yet

[minor sparrow]

Go my ari gibson

[earnest drift]

hornet could throw her needle 30 yards even if she was bug sized

[subtle lynx]

Also, this is obviously unfair comparison since HK is older and has more mods that make it very replayable like randomizer

[restive ibex]

Word of God motherfuckers

[exotic dome]

which one do you like better hk or silksong

[light swan]

awakened gms, thats it

[fiery burrow]

You're probably better than me most of that time was spent on AbsRad waiting for Silksong

[sharp slate]

hk has bingo which is better as well

silksong bingo SUCKSSSSSSS

[minor sparrow]

Bro that render of her is so goofy for no reason

[fiery burrow]

HK

[light swan]

phase 2 is so fun tho

[subtle lynx]

And has had updates that make it replayable like godhome

[minor sparrow]

Like in no point in either game does she look that pointy

[lusty grove]

actually, that means her needle is 30 yards long, and all the HK characters are giants

[minor sparrow]

I thought awakened was still 3?

[restive ibex]

Therefore, 10km is not sufficient

[light swan]

i have barbed bracelet

[blazing ocean]

Who should a dlc boss for Lost lace&silk you would do smth and save both and changes gms mentality

[minor sparrow]

Ah

[subtle lynx]

I wish godhome was a thing on silksong, I don't to replay till act 3 to battle karmelita again

[earnest drift]

hollow knight early game is too linear
always forgotten crossroads Greenpath fungal wastes city of tears

[naive basin]

Mod

[sharp slate]

i cant get over how well designed the silk bomb attack is visually

[subtle lynx]

Man, you gotta make your ragebaits less obvious

[subtle lynx]

Ps5

[exotic cedar]

Isnt silkong same too

[earnest drift]

silksong is bigger

[blazing ocean]

Yk tbh if godhome becomes an item like the godtuner and put it at home and use elegy of the deep on it IT WOULD BE FIRE

[sharp slate]

isnt silksong more linear than hk...

[exotic cedar]

Bigger, that's it

Silksong is still linear

[subtle lynx]

Idc what it is I want to replay some bosses

[naive basin]

Silksong early game is... kinda slow, act 2 and 3 are much better

[light swan]

me too

[exotic dome]

act 1 is linear

[light swan]

this is exactly how gms shoudl be

[blazing ocean]

Act 2 is slower

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet's first post is older than half of this chat

[subtle lynx]

The combat in this game is a million times better than HK combat

[exotic dome]

act 2 is peak imo

[exotic cedar]

Act 2 is the best act, then 1 and then 3

[unkempt steeple]

On god

[light swan]

truth nuke witch crest moment

[blazing ocean]

By far act 3 gets the point for begin the rushiest

[sharp slate]

combat in silksong is better, but i still love hk combat

[unkempt steeple]

Dashslop

[exotic dome]

almost anything between widow-act 3 is prime silksong

[subtle lynx]

I never loved it

[naive basin]

I enjoyed quite a bit of act 2 so I just think of it that way

[blazing ocean]

Its bc u hsve skill issue with voided enemies

[tight hull]

combat in silksong is much more liberal than hk

[earnest drift]

is act 3 exploration the worst because you’ve already explored everywhere and you’re retrekking old areas to progress

[light swan]

make lower deep docks act 3 specific please

[subtle lynx]

Raise your hand if you find voided enemies fun

[fiery burrow]

I miss quick slash attack speed boss

[hardy tangle]

voidslop is boring asf

[tight hull]

hornet got a lot of movement skills and crests to help

[earnest drift]

quick slash was horrible design

[blazing ocean]

Can we all agree that the citadel is SO GIANT

[young saffron]

PHEW

[exotic cedar]

No? Voided enemies are boring but that's not the main problem lol. There's so little exploring and it's very linear. That's my main problem

[earnest drift]

better than city of tears

[blazing ocean]

Do voided moorwing now

[subtle lynx]

It honestly isn't

[restive ibex]

The first time I was like "cool pure vessel reference xD"

And then they all did the same shit and I was like 😭

[hardy tangle]

the best void boss is fuckass double moss mother

[unkempt steeple]

They were really trying to do the infected crossroads for the whole map which is interesting but it's a MASSIVE commitment

[exotic dome]

only good thing about act 3 is the main bosses

[hardy tangle]

minus lost lace

[blazing ocean]

You compare city of tears to this monstrosity

[subtle lynx]

It's quite small for what it should be

[still osprey]

oh boy it's time for my favorite part of each playthrough! Grinding like 3k rosaries to buy everything from Jubilana and Grindle 🤩

[earnest drift]

how is act 3 linear
you’re running all over the map in any order to get the old hearts

[undone gate]

I like Act 3 because I like Bosses more than Exploring and Act 3 has some great Bosses

[blazing ocean]

Antmommy

[naive basin]

I am sorry that I am one of the 5 people that liked void enemies

[hardy tangle]

quantity over quality tbh

[unkempt steeple]

Doing that rn for 100% in steel soul

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 is like, go there, do some quests, do the same type of shit you did in act 2 and orginal hk again, go there the second time and boom

[tight hull]

baby bell beast and baby hornet

[broken seal]

This is gonna be insane for you people to realize, but the characters in Hollow Knight and Silksong AREN'T REAL BUGS. Their is no size scaling, there are no humans, and the insects are only based around things found irl. The statement about Hornet throwing her needle 30 yards is completely fucking meaningless given they don't state this as a minimum or a maximum of her strength, just that it "can go 30 yards" that means her zipping up to the top of the city of tears in hk cutscenes could be 30 yards, or the length of a simple clawline could be 30 yards.

[light swan]

this phase 1 was amazing

[hardy tangle]

like we really couldnt let the void masses walk around or something that wouldve been so cool

[fiery burrow]

infected crossroads wasn't that good either 💔

[broken seal]

i think i ended up sending yhis wayy after the convo ended but whatever !!

[subtle lynx]

It wasn't

[hardy tangle]

theyre just annoying obstacles that are rarely threatening

[subtle lynx]

But nobody likes that anyways

[earnest drift]

infected crossroads is worse than act 3 because you can’t break the shortcut blockages

[tight hull]

normal crossroads is better than infewcted

[exotic cedar]

Nyleth is so fucking hidden for some reason, And crust king khann is just there. Karmelita takes a little bit of work to find

Also you explore places you already explored before. How is that fun

[naive basin]

The only bad thing about it imo was the blocked paths, otherwise it is always a nice way to get some 100 geos everytime you go through it

[earnest drift]

does this make it linear

[unkempt steeple]

Honestly true it was more so the shock of seeing it change for the first time, it's just kinda annoying with the exploding enemies and blocked paths after you get used to it

[subtle lynx]

My man infected crossroads it's just 1 area and at least the new enemies are unique

[exotic dome]

yeah that, red memory and the ending too

[blazing ocean]

Id rather have a whole map voided than having a main area entirely infected

[fiery burrow]

Yeah the blocked paths are my main issue and iirc Act 3 did that as well but this time you had to fight v**ded enemies

[hardy tangle]

why cant void be cool like lifeblood

[blazing ocean]

Like oml i hated infected crossroads

[exotic dome]

act 3 has good moments but its implementetion is ass

[tight hull]

those guys that explode themselfs be free geo

[still osprey]

Sometimes I forget just how insane Circlet is

[restive ibex]

I wonder if sea of sorrow will change depending if you are in act 2 or 3

[exotic cedar]

The quests are pretty is, there's litteraly little side content
what i did in my first playthrough was just focus on the quest (enter abyss etc.)

[blazing ocean]

That one hunter guy

[naive basin]

Feels good to be one of the 5 people that really like act 3

[azure socket]

:) does pineapple belong on pizza

[fiery burrow]

For infected crossroads I think it would be cool if it like opened up some new paths with new content that actually makes the place quicker to traverse

[hardy tangle]

uhhh yeah stop having fun

[blazing ocean]

It might be a independent game

[still osprey]

I really like act 3 too... we're in the trenches together 🥹

[exotic cedar]

Because act 3 side content stuff is lame as fuckk, maybe fleatopia is good but others are boring

[unkempt steeple]

Storywise it's very good to lock it behind making hornet helping people and getting a home in pharloom but gameplay wise how were people supposed to guess this or even just assume there was another ending

[earnest drift]

is there a certain order that you need to beat the old hearts in to progress

[fiery burrow]

Cuz then it would feel like new content instead of "slightly more inconvenient and hostile forgotten crossroads"

[undone gate]

I like Act 3 because of the Bosses

[blazing ocean]

Me too

[subtle lynx]

Idk I got to act 3 naturally idk how people miss it actually

[earnest drift]

I like act 3 because of the story

[light swan]

i like how awakened gms is just gms but good

[exotic cedar]

No but it's still the same shit you did in act 2 and orginal hk

[blazing ocean]

Lore is shit in act 3

Beside bosses really

[naive basin]

Omg there's 4 of us

[exotic cedar]

Maybe shamans could have give better hints but you coudlnt see hearts' locations on the map

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/lugi-sleep-luigi-mario-luigi-book-luigi's-mansion-luigi-nap-gif-9233207602314102479

[silent trench]

Thanks to silksong i discovered nine sols….what a fantastic game

[undone gate]

How is GMS not good

[subtle lynx]

Me when void is mentioned in silksong

[earnest drift]

so act 2 and hollow knight are bad?

[exotic dome]

it's just not fun to backtrack and enemies have the same recycled movesets with 2x hp

[exotic cedar]

When did i call it bad?

[tight hull]

GMS is easy so a lot of people don't like it

[exotic cedar]

Its just not orginal and reused shit

[blazing ocean]

Dancers+firstsinner+ radience

[undone gate]

That doesn't mean it's bad

[naive basin]

A bit easy imo, she is not like THK

[light swan]

but gooder

by good i mean on par with like karmelita and second sentinel and lost lace and seth and stuff