sk-discussion

[tight viper]

You can easily have Warding Bell and Fractured Mask by the time you reach Shellwood, there’s no reason to use Pollip Pouch over either of those in Steel Soul

[quartz gulch]

Just quit out though, it's not that deep. Also use the overall good items that will never disappoint. Including Mutlibinder+Injection Band, Heavy Belt and Fractured Mask.

[stable mica]

just dont equip Flintslate with polip?

[spark anchor]

you mean crafting kits

[smoky bridge]

But I like flint slate.

[stable mica]

also its not worse

[spark anchor]

just dont use pollip

[tight viper]

It is worse

[main urchin]

Yeah what he said

[tight ibex]

I want to feel like I did it legitimately though

[smoky bridge]

It is one of my favourite tools

And it is worse wytalking abt

[quartz gulch]

In Steel Soul healing is ALWAYS the priority, but in general Pollip is okay.

[spark anchor]

the needle damage loss is not worth the poison damage

[stable mica]

isnt that the same thing i said?

[stable mica]

maybe i should look up the stats

[spark anchor]

i thought you said don't use flintslate while using pollip. not vice versa

[main urchin]

I dunno why it nerfs damage

Flea brew also adds poison and it doesn’t nerf itself

[stable mica]

oh

i didnt know that ig

[hybrid flare]

if pollip pouch's poison stacked it would've been cracked

[quartz gulch]

You did though. You still had to defeat the bosses and all that. If you quit out you didn't defeat them and if you defeated them you didn't quit out. I also only quit out if I'm on two or less masks, you'll die really stupid deaths otherwise.

Also, never get cocky. That's the number one killer in Steel Soul.

[stable mica]

spam the entire tool on them

[main urchin]

Suddenly rosary cannon becomes insane

[tight viper]

If pollip pouch just benefitted from crafting kit upgrades at all it could be good

[hybrid flare]

it would fix the flintslate nerf

[tight viper]

Instead it goes 1/2/2/3/3

Which is just silly

[stable mica]

or maybe a upg quest

[grand basalt]

@hoary surge i rang it

[tight ibex]

Part of the challenge of steel soul is when you go into a boss it commits you to it

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but basically pollip Flintslate (poison whetstone??)
Reduces the damage buff from 1.5x to like... 1.3? I think?
But makes it last slightly longer.

[stable mica]

and pôison

[smoky bridge]

And I guess you don't have to hit multiple times to set them on fire, cause they get poisoned instantly... But you want

To hit them multiple times to get the benefit of the Flintslate.

[tight viper]

Which ends up doing less damage than fire

[main urchin]

Make poison pimpillos leave behind a cloud similar to dung hatchlings

Chemical warfare

[stable mica]

its an always tho, tho the multiplier is 1.3

[main urchin]

Literally a bomb that disperses venom

[smoky bridge]

Does it not?

[main urchin]

I dunno does it?

[smoky bridge]

I never used pimpillo tbh

[main urchin]

Never heard of it doing that

[smoky bridge]

With the poison. I only used base form once for Groal

And I had flintslate on offhand cause Beast shenanigans.

So no Pollip allowed.

[tight viper]

Doesn’t really matter if it always applies because it’s poison, something that doesn’t stack, on flintslate, a tool all about just wailing on an enemy until the tool expires or the enemy does

[quartz gulch]

Rosary Cannon should just get these buffs:

Consistent damage:
Upgrade:
0 — 3
1 — 4
2 —5
3 — 6/7
4 —7/8 (randomized)

-Quicksling makes it shoot two rosaries at once
-It can be reloaded without benching (either just like you would on a bench, or using rosary strings. If not at all, at least using Architects)

-Faster Windup

[smoky bridge]

It has one other benefit.

Poison Flintslate does not extinguish in water.

But when have you ever lost Flintslate to water.

[stable mica]

that is not useful

[main urchin]

You lose Flintslate to water?

[smoky bridge]

Yeah.

[main urchin]

Wow

[quartz gulch]

Poison is only good on ranged tools anyway

[stable mica]

once when im trying to get seared organs in shell wood

[smoky bridge]

If you fall into water you make a foosh sound, produce some steam and the effect ends early.

[stable mica]

but that didnt matter much

[smoky bridge]

You can also make steam in the Citadel showers, but they are not enough to extinguish Flintslate.

[stable mica]

lets be real no one is losing flintslate to water when important things happen

[quartz gulch]

I don't even use Flintslate, but Groal is a possible situation.

[main urchin]

Except for with groal

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but I just don't get into water.

[main urchin]

Falling is a thing

[stable mica]

Groal so bad i forgot

[smoky bridge]

If I get magotted I am fucked and boned anyways because I play Beast crest.

[quartz gulch]

Groal the Goat

[smoky bridge]

I will take any amount of damage over getting maggied

[stable mica]

hes a toad, the toad

[quartz gulch]

Why tf would you use Beast in Bilewater?

[smoky bridge]

Because I love Beast Crest.

[stable mica]

idc if hes not a toad cuz i will always call it a frog or toad

[main urchin]

You really typed a lot

[smoky bridge]

I Am the One Who beasts

[quartz gulch]

It kinda sucks for survival though. Outside of combat.

[quartz gulch]

I know.

[stable mica]

it is only gud in combat, platforming wise that can go to the void

[tight viper]

Better at platforming than Wanderer because it makes everything more exhilarating

[smoky bridge]

Naah just like. Vibe it out

Feel the flow amigo.
Become one with the sonic pogo.

[quartz gulch]

I really hate the pogo, not even because of skill but because I want to pogo and not dash.

[stable mica]

clawline but it goes down thingy

[quartz gulch]

I'd be far cooler if it just went downwards.

[smoky bridge]

Delver's drill.

[stable mica]

so we have to use delver's drill?

[smoky bridge]

You lose some of the tool flexibility, but like. Is good tool.

[tight viper]

Hold back as you pogo

[smoky bridge]

You can if you bad at Beast Pogo au natural.

[stable mica]

how does that work?

[tight viper]

Pogo doesn’t travel as far

[smoky bridge]

It drastically shortens the arc.

[stable mica]

or just use a crest that has a good pogo

[tight viper]

The inverse works too

[smoky bridge]

All the Beast special attacks have high aerial control

[tight viper]

But Beast does have a good pogo

[stable mica]

uhm...

[tight viper]

It’s harder to learn but it’s a good pogo

[smoky bridge]

Beast Charge, Dash and Pogo can be controlled by pressing a direction to extend or shorten the leaps

[stable mica]

or use a pogo that takes les to learn but still as or more efective

[smoky bridge]

It gives you a lot of control over where you are at all times.

[ashen steeple]

Does every hollow have its knight or does every silk have its song

[tight viper]

Nah

[smoky bridge]

It is. Fantastic. It's a great pogo.

[stable mica]

yes

[earnest drift]

there are no knights with hollow but some songs have silk

[smoky bridge]

Just the amount of control you get.

Pristine.

Beast Crest my beauty beloved.

[ashen steeple]

Do some knights have silk and and some hollow have song?

Hollow Song: Silkknight

[stable mica]

what

[ashen steeple]

Thank you

[smoky bridge]

You can even clash against AOE attacks with the beast pogo.

[ashen steeple]

I don’t know its pogo that well though

I like hunters pogo anyway

They somehow made the game where 87% of the time when you’re above an enemy you’re in the perfect position for a hunter pogo

[lean yoke]

Silkysilksilk
Silkysulksilk
Silksilksilky
Silk?

[hearty wren]

That's cuz of the hitbox

[lean yoke]

It's always hitbox this hitbox that

What about lovebox, howbox? Feelingsbox 😔

[timid sky]

Riobox

Box jellyfish

[broken seal]

boxtrolls

[rose flax]

WHY THE FUCK DID NOBODY TELL ME YOU COULD FIND SHERMA IN THE CITADEL BATHS

🥹

[timid sky]

I did that on my first playthrough

It was so peak

[spark anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003935536211296277/1451541877554941993/SHERMAAAA-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[rose flax]

i’m going to put the fucking greyroot parasite in your body

[spark anchor]

witch crest for me

[smoky bridge]

You lose: simple brainless pogo, and have to endure some initial delay.

You gain:
Ability to control where you are in the air more precisely, with the most I-frames out of all the pogos.
I-frame dashing through enemies (Trait shared with hunter)
Some really funny skips
*Clashing against AOE attacks, like Sseth's weird thing

Apologise to beast pogo. She is full of love and good things. You're just too much of a fool to see it.

[grand basalt]

WHY IS THE LAST JUDGE WAY TAKE TOOOOOO LONG TO GO TO THE NEAREST BENCH IS TWO PLANETS A WAY

[spark anchor]

no it isn't

[grand basalt]

Wth.....

[rose flax]

the peak music makes up for it

[grand basalt]

Helll nooo

[broken seal]

this is not the runback for the last judge 💀

[smoky bridge]

???

[broken seal]

it takes like 45 seconds to run back it is not that bad man 💔

[grand basalt]

HELL NOO

[spark anchor]

yes it is

[grand basalt]

It doesn't

[broken seal]

i mean... i guess...

[spark anchor]

you can access sands of karak before last judge

[smoky bridge]

It's one medium sized room

[tight viper]

The nearest bench is one of the two in the Underworks after the elevator, just use those for the LJ runback smh

[timid sky]

Yes it is

[still osprey]

Last Judge's runback is like really short I don't get why people complain about it

[grand basalt]

HE CORNERED ME

[spark anchor]

ok but if you want an actual runback do this

[still osprey]

You can run past literally every enemy

[timid sky]

True

[smoky bridge]

Who, the drizznit?

[grand basalt]

Yeaa

[timid sky]

How do yall get the zoomed out pictures like this

[broken seal]

at the first jump you can sprint and get past the drizznit (drill guy) before it can even spawn in, just go faster

[spark anchor]

map website

[spice cargo]

remove lost lace contact damage

[timid sky]

There’s one for silksong?

[grand basalt]

I do that

[timid sky]

I only thought there was one for hk

[untold dune]

u can also use debug mod to zoom out ingame

[spark anchor]

mhm https://scripterswar.com/silksong/map

[smoky bridge]

What's that left turn for.

[spark anchor]

um you can cling to that wall

[grand basalt]

Bells

[smoky bridge]

Yeah but like.

[untold dune]

the thing is with hallownest.net is that they did that to be completely seamless, which meant it took years, whereas the silksong version isnt seamless lol

[smoky bridge]

You can jump off of the bells on the right, then pogo off of the judge to reach the bell above him.

[grand basalt]

I summoned the whole server...

[grand basalt]

??

[spark anchor]

isnt that only with faydown cloak

[smoky bridge]

No, I do it all the time.

[amber aspen]

hii

[grand basalt]

What is that...

[smoky bridge]

Wait is that only possible with beast crest?

[spark anchor]

double jump

[smoky bridge]

Cause it has the sideways hitbox?

[grand basalt]

Ok ty

[spark anchor]

i normally stick to hunter

[grand basalt]

Reaper🙂

[smoky bridge]

Yeah my route might be beast crest exclusive then

[broken seal]

faster but more risky and this route is designed for the skill issue people who mald about lj runback

[spark anchor]

i think reaper makes it easier with its wide-ass hitbox

[grand basalt]

I don't get what anybody said...

[broken seal]

💀 gg bro

[grand basalt]

Why??

[normal bramble]

I love this run back icl

[smoky bridge]

Your pogo is too slow and it's letting the enemies spawn

[grand basalt]

So hunter is better?

[normal bramble]

Fun bit of parkour before tlj

[broken seal]

don't wanna start a crest slop discussion but Reaper is very bad. i suggest using a different crest (unless you really enjoy Reaper, then feel free to use it. but definitely experiment with all of them)

[broken seal]

In every way possible

[grand basalt]

😐

[smoky bridge]

Also, just like... It's not particularly good of a crest. It's slow, so you end up having to fight longer, and end up getting more chances to get smacked in the face.

It's a bit of a noob trap cause the actual moveset is really clean and nice and consistent.

[grand basalt]

Ok gonna open the game again bec i rage quit and try hunter... @broken seal

[spark anchor]

only advantages reaper has over hunter:
higher range
higher knockback
different moveset (debatable, but i really don't mind hunter's down-slash)
bind ability: bonus silk orbs on hit. but you lose it when you take damage

[smoky bridge]

I love the moveset.
But it is slow.

[broken seal]

if you're used to Reaper atp it'll feel a little weird

[spark anchor]

the main appeal of reaper is just the moveset

[grand basalt]

Ok

[spark anchor]

it has the same tool distribution as hunter

[rotund gate]

Sideways hitbox

[spark anchor]

is reaper your only other crest

[smoky bridge]

Tbh the sprint attack is great

[spark anchor]

you can obtain 2 more in act 1

[grand basalt]

No

I have four

[broken seal]

oh you have all the act 1 crests nice

[grand basalt]

🙂

[broken seal]

definitely experiment with all 4 of them to find what you're most comfortable with

[grand basalt]

Ok thanks for the advice

[broken seal]

most players in act 1/newer players gravitate towards Wanderers Crest cuz it has a nice clean pogo and very high attack speed at the cost of very low range and less red tool slots

[grand basalt]

Yea but i need range so o don't use it

[spark anchor]

the red slot is for flintslate

[broken seal]

that's fair lol, once you get more confident at fighting up close you might like it

[amber aspen]

hii

how are yall

[grand basalt]

Good hbu

I tried hunter and its soo weird

@broken seal

The pogo is shi

Do i try wanderer?

[broken seal]

the pogo is amazing once you get used to it, but it can be weird for some people and it's def not for everyone lol

[broken seal]

go for it

[grand basalt]

Ok

[edgy turtle]

Don’t say that about my beloved hunter crest

The pogo is lovely

You Just need to get used to it that’s all

[devout oracle]

Welp, I just beat the Raging Conchfly. But I'm not heading straight for Khann rn. I'll just deal with The voided Hunter's March gauntlet, as well as Seth, before I do the heart ripping

[spark anchor]

did you get conchcutter

[broken seal]

gg

[smoky bridge]

Here my runback

[devout oracle]

Yes.

[ionic gale]

wdym "mobile version" go to android/com.game.silksong/default and copy the save u wanna edit to another folder, and just upload that file in the website

[spark anchor]

oh ok

[smoky bridge]

(It includes deliberate enemy bump, so I start fight with one less mask)

[spark anchor]

i usually cling to the wall since i don't have to deal with the second to last judge

[ionic gale]

ohhh

[broken seal]

Like 80% sure this is actually a bit slower lol

[normal bramble]

This feels slower icl

[devout oracle]

I should also check on The Fleas to start the festival

[normal bramble]

Oh I also have to do tha

[smoky bridge]

Might be but I am super used to it, lmao.

[normal bramble]

I just don’t wanna go back to the ducts 😭

[smoky bridge]

It feels like climbing up through that little elbow is torturously slow

[normal bramble]

Worst area in the game genuinely with no contest

[devout oracle]

As well as finding the rest of the memory lockets, so I can bind Eva

[edgy turtle]

Which one?

[glass mortar]

getting the last mushroom is such a pain

[spark anchor]

i fucking wish there was a way for you to reach fleatopia a lot faster

[normal bramble]

Putrified ducts

[smoky bridge]

Also it would mean I have to bump the first drizznit, which is iffy.

[spark anchor]

have the big flea transport you there

[grand basalt]

@broken seal i liked it

[normal bramble]

FR

[edgy turtle]

Bilewater is one of the best areas

[normal bramble]

Give me a version of the bell beast song for the fleas 🙏

[smoky bridge]

And I like to start LJ with one mask gone, so I can extend Beast crest fury to the max.

[normal bramble]

I like bile water aesthetically and stuff

I just hate putrified duct’s existance.

[devout oracle]

Some voided gauntlets are tough, but at least they have less waves

[normal bramble]

There is not one positive thing I can say about that place other than it having the flies

[broken seal]

Nicee

[azure socket]

Bile water is fun, I just hate putrid ducts

[edgy turtle]

Yeah and the music, lore and sadness

[normal bramble]

I’ve only ever ran into the one in hunters march so far

[azure socket]

Though my fave area was the Mist (y’know with Phantom)

[smoky bridge]

Ok so Bilewater? It is mean, but it is mean with a purpose.

[digital stone]

Guys just got sk. When do I fight the white needle girl that is in the lava place?

[devout oracle]

I meant both The one from the cogwork core/the cradle and the Hunter's March one

[smoky bridge]

Yeah you might get maggots, but you get lots of enemies that are super easy to farm for silk so you can de-maggot yourself.

[normal bramble]

Since Karmalita is currently cooking me

[normal bramble]

Oh

[broken seal]

using shamans crest because you have 3 silk skills active

[devout oracle]

2 waves on The first gauntlet and 3 on Hunter's March

[normal bramble]

Cog work core one wasn’t tha bad tbh

[edgy turtle]

Lol what has roblox done to this world

[azure socket]

Too much

[devout oracle]

Yea, the first time was only bad cuz you had less health

[normal bramble]

A lot

[smoky bridge]

Now, putrified ducts? No enemies are easy to silk farm. The barnaks die too quickly, and respawn too slowly. The spit squits make me so mad
The giant little bastards hit for two masks and can be reslly enjoying to work around

[spice cargo]

i think the slot should not say 100% until lost lace is defeated

[digital stone]

WAY TOO MUCH

[normal bramble]

Spit squid’s are the worst enemies in the game

[spark anchor]

there's one more in greymoor

[broken seal]

Bosses don't count for percent. Lost Lace is required for the 100% achievement, though.

[normal bramble]

I don’t wanna deal with an abyss spit squid ever

But unfortunately I still gotta head back there so…

[azure socket]

Agreed would rather primal aspids

[broken seal]

the achievement is for getting 100% AND beating LL

[slender juniper]

Primal aspids were not that bad

[devout oracle]

What sucks about going to Bilewater for the first time is that you can't get the map unless You have faydown cloak

[normal bramble]

Oh

[smoky bridge]

Fr?

[normal bramble]

I haven’t gone to greymoor in a while

[azure socket]

True

[slender juniper]

Volt vesseld pogo type shit

[devout oracle]

Yea, Shakra is way up in The right

[normal bramble]

Once I beat shakra in act 2 I’ve had no reason to

[spark anchor]

it's the windmill arena next to halfway home

similar enemies and they added a chalamet for some reason

[smoky bridge]

You cannot get volt vessels without faydown, can you?

[spark anchor]

no

[red isle]

im gonna learn the choral chamber theme on piano

[normal bramble]

Nope

[spark anchor]

it's in memorium

[smoky bridge]

I know.

[slender juniper]

Grand reed pogo

[smoky bridge]

I was wondering if there is some way to get up there easy.

[normal bramble]

Well actually

Couldn’t you bait one of those uhhh silk stealers

[smoky bridge]

Claw maidens

[normal bramble]

And pogo off them to get into there

[spark anchor]

pretty sure they retract once you run away from them

[smoky bridge]

Oops

[slender juniper]

Didnt stop runners

[smoky bridge]

I hate claw maidens so much.

Probably the single worst enemy in the game actually. Just like. The gall to steal my shit and stab me with it.

[normal bramble]

Couldn’t you just aggro them over tho?

[digital stone]

good thing you can get rid of them

[slender juniper]

<@&283547423706447872> schizophrenic in chat

[normal bramble]

YOU CAN WHAT?

[azure patrol]

Beo qhat

[marsh ibex]

Don’t say shit like that

[azure patrol]

Bro what

[azure socket]

????

[smoky bridge]

Don't say shit l.

Oh

[digital stone]

YOU DIDNT KNOW

[normal bramble]

NO

[azure socket]

This was the funniest shit I’ve ever read btw

[digital stone]

https://tenor.com/view/fahhh-fah-skeleton-vonoffe-meme-gif-17918076419074819351

[azure socket]

Whack em

[slender juniper]

Idk I read milk drinkers and went

[smoky bridge]

Somewhere To the right of the HH gauntlet there's the claw maidens room.

[normal bramble]

I grinded so many rosaries on the top route and just dealt with them when they spawned 😭

[marsh ibex]

Don’t post random walls of nonsense

[azure patrol]

K

[normal bramble]

Oh…

I barely spent any time in high halls icl

[smoky bridge]

You can climb up there and entirely delete them from the game, TBOIsaac eraser style

[azure socket]

Tbh I enjoyed the milk drinkers thing

It was funny XD

Probably go in off topic tho

[normal bramble]

Should’ve explored it properly but I just kinda found the arena and went for it

[smoky bridge]

I did not, but like. Why are people using "schizophrenic" as an insult still.

Fucked up.

[slender juniper]

I called them that cuz they were acting like that

[smoky bridge]

I heard about there being a way to get rid of them in high halls and basically obsessively scoured the entire area.

[smoky bridge]

No. Just. Don't even try, man.

[azure patrol]

Uhhhh unnecessarily rude?

[normal bramble]

I walked into the arena naturally and

Had Shakra helping me there

[slender juniper]

Idk when you post an essay about milk drinkers thats kinda... nwm

[normal bramble]

So even though I died once I was so mentally like “oh my god Shakra” tha I didn’t explore at all

[azure socket]

Yeah uh MONOR that’s really fucked up tbh

[smoky bridge]

I have friends with schizotypal disorders and the amount of disrespect people treat them with is just.

[ornate perch]

Guys I beat Lost Lace with Barbed Bracelet

[azure patrol]

Fanta lady(rad)
Milk Lord(pk)
Coke drinker (Tk)

[smoky bridge]

I wish there was a way to get both Garmond and Shakra to help you.

[smoky bridge]

TK?

[normal bramble]

I didn’t even know garmond could help you until I started act 3

[slender juniper]

My username is fucked up

[normal bramble]

I also missed his fight 💔

[azure patrol]

I remember having cloth helping me against traitor lord
Didn't stop me from dying 40+ times

[normal bramble]

Appreantly it doesn’t count for the journal 100% but

Still a shame I would’ve enjoyed the fight

[azure socket]

Listen I ain’t gonna go after ur username when mine is based off a war movie, I will say what u said was fucked up tho

[azure patrol]

The knight

[smoky bridge]

Eeeh

It's kinda nothing burger.

[normal bramble]

Oh

[smoky bridge]

I am not certain Garamond knows he is alive.

Or what he is doing.

[normal bramble]

I assumed it was like Shakra

Cause she actually cooked me for a good minute

[smoky bridge]

He uses the same moves he does when he is fighting enemies.

[unkempt steeple]

Hollow knight: has a character named hollow knight
Silksong: doesn't have a character named silksong

[smoky bridge]

But like

I am not certain the AI has a... Decision making system.

[azure patrol]

Remember when Cornifer gave us the map of most of deepnest for dirt cheap?

[smoky bridge]

Because sometimes he just starts swinging his stick around and I'm on the other side of the platform.

[knotty yoke]

At least it got Silk and Song

[smoky bridge]

Garamond I know you're having a bad LSD trip but lock in.

[normal bramble]

He’s just silly

[smoky bridge]

He is. It did kinda make me develop a bit of soft spot for him.

[unkempt steeple]

Too much silk...

[smoky bridge]

Whereas I did not care for Garamond before the duel.

[normal bramble]

I’ve seen him like

[smoky bridge]

Like. The duel being kinda bad made him feel... Endearing.

[normal bramble]

Twice

[smoky bridge]

Like how the Hell have you made it so far, old man.

[slender juniper]

Invincibility

[normal bramble]

I missed his duel cause I got all the melodies and I only ever got help from him once 💔

[smoky bridge]

It's Zaza

[slender juniper]

All attacks phase through him but once he gets voided ...

[smoky bridge]

Garamond head so empty, the world does not realise he is there, so he cannot be hurt.

[final comet]

Just got to act 3 😄

[unkempt steeple]

I kinda wish he was a mandatory encounter in greymoor

And maybe a mandatory ally agaisnt moorwing? Like how shakra helps agaisnt the skarr

[azure patrol]

The reason shakra asks more money for maps is because she charges you for her singing as well

[smoky bridge]

You can lose shakra's help.

[normal bramble]

Ooo congrats

[normal bramble]

Ya

I didn’t even know he can appear in greymoor for the moorwing till I was watchin my friend

And then they got him to show up

[final comet]

how do you get shakra to help you anyways?

[grand basalt]

@broken seal HE IS SO HARD WHYYYYY

[digital stone]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gl-goodluck

[normal bramble]

For high halls you gotta buy all her maps and stuff then do her quest first, for hunters march it’s just “don’t visit greymoor or shellwood beforehand”

[spark anchor]

she still appears in hunter's march if you reach the midlands

if she doesnt appear in the hunter's march arena, she will instead be found on the way to chapel of the beast

she kills the skarr stalker there and disarms the trap

[spark anchor]

complete trail's end and she will appear at high halls

trail's end requires:
all of shakra's maps
groal defeated OR the other 2 melodies obtained

[normal bramble]

Ya

She sets up a nice bench for you there as well

[spark anchor]

she doesn't

[normal bramble]

(This is how I found her cause I did hunters march all the way in act 2😭)

[spark anchor]

she only sets up temporary benches in mt fay and greymoor

[normal bramble]

I thought she made a bench?

Am I confusing her greymoor and uhhh hunters march set ups

[spark anchor]

yes

[normal bramble]

Ah ok

[broken seal]

😭

[dawn patrol]

Would you guys agree if i said that silksong is 8.7/10 but hollow knight is 9.9/10

[fiery burrow]

7/10 and 8/10 respectively imo

[balmy pumice]

Nah I’d go 9/10 9.5/10

They’re both peak

[cerulean sable]

i need city of steel

i fucking cut down my enemies

hundreds

thousands if i must

but i WLL get the City of Steel major DLC 3 EST 2028

[azure socket]

What City of Steel?

[sharp tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-steelsoul-hollow-knight-zi-gif-15104530040958837458

[azure socket]

Did I just get Cained

[sharp tundra]

This thing birthplace

[azure socket]

Lolll i dont know what that is

[icy crow]

Your foes assemble.

• Spit Squit
• Spit Squit
• Barnak

Hornet would:

• Attack
• Special
• Item
• Misc.

[short estuary]

I just got to Lost Lace how long is the fight? ..

[normal bramble]

Welp I think it’s about time for me to go throw another round of attempts at Karmelita

Fun boss even if she’s currently absolutely destroying me once she gets to phase 2/3

[icy crow]

Four phases and a short break between the two halves

[queen acorn]

4???

i rember like 2

[icy crow]

She screams every time she enters a new one

Come on this is literally obvious lmao

[short estuary]

hah fr I just finished with her

[queen acorn]

i thought she screams cz she mad

[short estuary]

ok ty

[icy crow]

Cross Stitch GO!

[normal bramble]

Only reason I’ve even gotten to phase 3

I can genuinely press cross stitch and any time and she will just hit me because of just how much she does

[short estuary]

I cant even use it cuz im always so focused on fighting i cant use anything other than attacking..

[icy crow]

She gets new attacks in her first scream and becomes faster, when she does it again to enter phase four she slows down

[queen acorn]

h

[normal bramble]

I think ima switch to hunters crest for the fight tho

[rose trail]

hunter's crest pogo supremacy

[normal bramble]

I don’t think witch crest is the play

[icy crow]

Think of Cross Stitch as an auto-patry button (because it quite literally is)

You also get a few i-frames after finishing usage

[azure patrol]

Stop
And take a moment to look at this cute bug

[short estuary]

cutie

[azure socket]

Awwwww < 3

[azure patrol]

Can we keep it?

[azure socket]

Yeeessss keep

[short estuary]

YES

[icy crow]

Grimmchild what have they done to your skin

What happened for you to get flayed like that??

[azure socket]

That’s not Grimmchild

That’s Grimm during his bat phase

XD

[icy crow]

I'm aware, just purposefully misunderstanding

[azure socket]

Oh

I dumb sowwy

[icy crow]

Hunter works best if you can manage to avoid damage and build up focus

[short estuary]

Grimm just finds his inner child for a few seconds

[zealous folio]

Is sinners road compulsory to 100% gng

[icy crow]

Take a wild guess

[normal bramble]

Perfect for me because I NEVER get hit

[zealous folio]

No?!?!?!

[normal bramble]

(I just died)

[zealous folio]

What is there tho

[icy crow]

[[Barbed Bracelet]]

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Barbed_Bracelet

[icy crow]

There's about two tools there

[zealous folio]

Alr

[gusty igloo]

hi

[normal bramble]

Craw summons

[icy crow]

Hi

[normal bramble]

Ok game fucking jump scaring me

[gusty igloo]

how yall doin

[normal bramble]

I was just trying to change crests and I almost got hit by that 😭

[icy crow]

Craw Summons can be used to enter Court of Craws for a Memento and Bellhome upgrade

[gusty igloo]

it doesnt hit you

[normal bramble]

Oh

[normal bramble]

Cool

I’m gonna assume it’s in greymoor and uh

Go there after I finish Karmalita

[gusty igloo]

yeah craw lake

[icy crow]

(Well it's the only place where Craws thrive)

@normal bramble by the way, have you got Curvesickle?

[normal bramble]

Nope

[icy crow]

You should. It's Curveclaw but better

[gusty igloo]

why are you holding her hand for everything

[icy crow]

Curvesickle can be good for Karmelita from what I remember

[gusty igloo]

this is a metroidvania you should re-explore a lot of places

its more rewarding when you do it yourself

[icy crow]

Cannot even give hints in this economy

[iron bronze]

might sound like a skill issue but i feel like some of the secret rooms in silksong are too secret

[gusty igloo]

idk i found most by myself

[iron bronze]

some of them arent even visually breakable walls, and you can only tell via sound

[gusty igloo]

except for loam

i dont think ive ever used google for a room in this game

[icy crow]

I would've never found Quick Sling if I didn't look at a map for Bilewater

The ceiling in that room looks almost linear

[iron bronze]

the path to get to that upper right bench of bile water is so hidden its stupid

[icy crow]

At least it's rewarding for thorough exploration

[iron bronze]

not having fun with verdania

[icy crow]

Verdania is quite linear iirc

[gusty igloo]

its the only ceiling in the game that has these planks

it is out of place enough

[gusty igloo]

nah

[icy crow]

The whole room walls literally have the same texture though

[iron bronze]

was wandering around, wishing "man wouldnt it be great if there was a map"

by the time i find out it does have a map ive already seemingly found everything

[normal bramble]

I actually found that while trying to find the Shakra quest

[light swan]

“linear”

[normal bramble]

By complete accident

[gusty igloo]

no

[iron bronze]

What

[gusty igloo]

you can get all of the orbs in like any order

[icy crow]

Silksong DLC updates in a nutshell

[light swan]

god, i wish

[gusty igloo]

bradar what is this

[iron bronze]

THERE IS MORE?

and where are my pic perms

[icy crow]

Yes? I recall the walls having the same design as the planks above

[icy crow]

That's made up lmao

[light swan]

pulled it from the wiki

[gusty igloo]

you recall wrong

[light swan]

its completely real

[icy crow]

Could you get a screenshot then

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[iron bronze]

oh
also what happened to pic perms

[icy crow]

?tag permpsa

[white sail]

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[light swan]

woah pantheon of pharloom mod is so much better than godhome

[iron bronze]

i have about 12,000 messages 🗿

most of them from hollow knight rambling

verdania is lovely
i want nothing more than to smply complete it and leave

[icy crow]

Don't miss out on the Palestag

[leaden delta]

i didnt manage to figure out the pantheon mod when i tried lol

[iron bronze]

i got them
dont really know what its about but i want to fill up my journal before heading up to... whatever those glowing orbs were going to

[icy crow]

You can finish the memory and all the mandatory entries for Hunter's Memento will automatically finish

[leaden delta]

eh ion careeee though i dont care about the ss bosses

[icy crow]

Palestag won't since it's optional

[iron bronze]

ahh, thanks

[gusty igloo]

maybe they look simular, but the ceiling is never made out of these planks and also they arent tied together but loosely put together and are a bit damaged

[iron bronze]

the ascension begins

[icy crow]

It can be taken as just another curve in the room though

[iron bronze]

which is what i took it as
its very well hidden

[raw silo]

guys i finally got solksing

[iron bronze]

my w key isnt working that well but im sure i cna do this

[gusty igloo]

the room has no curves smh

and its kinda your fault for not punching everything

[icy crow]

I quite literally did lmao

[gusty igloo]

then if you didnt find ot thats kinda skill issue cause there's enough visual cue

[icy crow]

There are enough visual cues but even then it can be interpreted wrong

Texture equal to planks nearby a wall made of planks, darkness

Just not jumping to check it out can make it easily missable

[gusty igloo]

i'd argue brightvein is like the hardest thing to find

[iron bronze]

my w key is becoming unresponsive im so cooked

[light swan]

L

[iron bronze]

i got lot and ran to the stag's boss room

[icy crow]

The light that comes out from the jagged rocks quite literally gives it away

[spark anchor]

there is a light coming out where you can use silk soar and pinstress hints towards it

[broken seal]

i'm struggled an embarassing amount against Trobbio in my Witch only

[iron bronze]

im on the wrong side

[spark anchor]

i think you can bind while he does his tornado attack

[light swan]

just fucking died in the second room of the abyss

[spark anchor]

just go over him and bind on top of his path

[iron bronze]

OH THE NEEDOLIN TELLS ME WHERE

[broken seal]

still no double jump so no spogos and inconsistent anim cancel cuz he keeps running away n tornadoing

i mean i beat him

but it took quite a bit longer than it should've lol

[gusty igloo]

the planks are loose and damaged though

[spark anchor]

why not get double jump

you can get double jump even before cogwork dancers

[light swan]

you can still animation cancel when he runs away whats the problem

[icy crow]

❓

[gusty igloo]

it doesnt look out of place though, a lot of mount fay has light areas

[iron bronze]

FUCK

[broken seal]

more so the sudden tornados he did cuz the dash attack just bounced off lol

[icy crow]

The light that beams out goes in a straight line

[iron bronze]

THE DIRECTION
IT TELLS ME THE DIRECTION FOT HE LIGHT BEAM

[gusty igloo]

what beam

[icy crow]

That's a visual cue that's also present in Hollow Knight

[iron bronze]

verdania beam

[gusty igloo]

??

[iron bronze]

the beam
the light beam when you play the needolin

[icy crow]

You mean the route to the palace of Green Prince?

[gusty igloo]

WHAT BEAM??

[meager flint]

does trobbio have infinite monarch wings

[iron bronze]

what

[gusty igloo]

i dont recall

[tight viper]

Play the needolin in Verdania and it shows beans of light indicating where memory orbs are

[gusty igloo]

oh lmao i never noticed

i always just found them easily

[icy crow]

The most common example in Hollow Knight is the light coming out of the large shaft room in Forgotten Crossroads in the top right. Wall-jump and break an unstable ceiling, continue to find a Whispering Root and Geo deposits

[gusty igloo]

thats like a very small glimpse of light unlike anywhere in silksong and appears in like one place

[light swan]

ah

[icy crow]

It appears in quite a few other spots but I don't exactly remember the rooms

[minor sparrow]

There's quite a bit of places like that in silksong iirc

[icy crow]

Plus the light that comes out stretches quite a bit

There's one in Ancestral Mound iirc

[gusty igloo]

i still think brightvein is the hardest thing to find in silksong and you cant convince me otherwise

[minor sparrow]

Not like a bunch, but it's usually indicative of an area where you have to silk soar

[gusty igloo]

where

[meager flint]

anyways uh wish me luck because apparently i have to lock in so i can buy silksong

[mental arch]

first we silk then we soar

[minor sparrow]

Gl

[normal bramble]

KARMELITA DEAD

[gusty igloo]

does ancestral mound even have a secret room apart from that lifeblood room that is barely a secret

[tight viper]

Verdania is harder to find than the Brightvein

[normal bramble]

Damn that feels good

[minor sparrow]

Right below where the whispering roo tis

[versed pollen]

Well maybe but also Pinstress tells you it's there so like

[normal bramble]

The achivement is called diva

Could not be more accurate

[minor sparrow]

There's a whispering root above the life blood that is indicated by a light

[tight viper]

Pinstress tells you the Brightvein is in the core of the mountain

[gusty igloo]

verdania can be found normally but i'd never find brightvein if i didnt know it existed lol

[tight viper]

That’s why they gave Pinstress some dialogue telling you that it exists

[icy crow]

Ceiling, top left if I remember

Has another Whispering Root

[gusty igloo]

i never visited pinstress after beating her

[narrow bramble]

Karmelita found dead in detroid

[versed pollen]

It's the conversation right after beating her

[tight viper]

You can’t revisit her, you have to talk to her right after getting Pin Badge

Exhaust her dialogue

[gusty igloo]

oh then i might've not paid much attention to it

[devout oracle]

is flea brew good against seth? i did make it to what seems to be the final phase, judging by the battle cry mid fight

[normal bramble]

I used it to get through him so imo ya

[gusty igloo]

anyways hardest thing to find in HK is path of pain like it has no visual clue

[icy crow]

What about the Surface climb

[gusty igloo]

found it accidentally

[midnight jasper]

What about the Eternal Ordeal LOL

[cerulean sable]

Surface Climb is not even PoP level

[midnight jasper]

It is unironically the most hidden thing I've ever seen

[cerulean sable]

far from it

[subtle lynx]

I DID IT, SILKSONG 100% USING ONLY HUNTER CREST WITHOUT RED TOOLS

[narrow bramble]

On yall opinions, wich crests is the best on the game

[gusty igloo]

in an area only reachable while spamming silksoar, your curiosity would be drivcen forward to silksoar one more time

[devout oracle]

i won't go for the hearts for now. i'm trying to solve the bosses/gauntlets that are in the way first, so that it would be easy for me to get to the other fights. even after getting the everbloom, i would probably still go to verdania

[spark anchor]

i love hunter

[cerulean sable]

ggs

[inland sparrow]

I like hunters but I understand why people like witch and ect

[tight viper]

Shaman

[subtle lynx]

And using cross shit for most of the game

Aka, spell less too

[rocky jolt]

not using red tools isnt really a challenge

[icy crow]

No Red Tools is quite literally doable

[subtle lynx]

It is when I could be using them...

[iron bronze]

this verdania run back is so ass bro

[spark anchor]

im curious

[rocky jolt]

because they are completely optional

[spark anchor]

how will tc deal with bindings or an equivalent in the godhome dlc

specifically with crests

[subtle lynx]

Yeah, healing is also optional...

[icy crow]

Tools
Masks
Needle
Silk

[tight viper]

The humble Needle Phial:

[rocky jolt]

no because the game is centered around healing

[spark anchor]

i was imagining that you can only equip one red tool or silk skill and cannot swap crests in breaks

one red tool since architect

[rocky jolt]

it is a way more important gameplay aspect than red tools

[subtle lynx]

The game is also centered around red tools, otherwise, they wouldn't exist

[midnight jasper]

I wouldn't say it's the best, but I would say it's incredible

[icy crow]

Tools are the equivalent to Charms in a way so nullifying all of them would be the right way

[rocky jolt]

no not rlly

[devout oracle]

after beating seth, i'll go to hunter's march for the gauntlet

[narrow bramble]

[rocky jolt]

except we are only talking about active red tools here

[midnight dust]

What do u guys think which is the worst boss

[midnight jasper]

Tbh beating Silksong without red tools isn't that challenging of a challenge

[tight viper]

Lugoli

[subtle lynx]

Lost garmond

[devout oracle]

i went to check on the fleas and apparently, i forgot to pick up the egg of flealia when they got to pale lake, so they didn't even set up the festival 😭

[midnight dust]

Not worst but a sad fight

[midnight jasper]

I don't use red tools most of the time

[tight viper]

It’s objectively Lugoli, the fight is still broken and the hitbox is complete and utter bullshit

[normal bramble]

Grand mother silk

[tight viper]

Lugoli is a fight that shouldn’t exist in its current state

[normal bramble]

Simply for being disappointing

[subtle lynx]

I've never claimed it is the hardest of the challenges out there, it still is a challenge

[subtle lynx]

I can't be sad at this shitty ass boss

[subtle lynx]

It's a good fight wdym

[midnight dust]

Can't be sad that you kill garmond?

[midnight jasper]

Dude I got jump scared when the fleas disappeared and the Fleamaster was looking disappointed

[devout oracle]

grubfather ptsd

[subtle lynx]

Not if the boss is infuriating

[devout oracle]

crawfather fight is basically just the craws suing you lmao

[midnight jasper]

I did it on my first try

Was really easy with Pale Nails

[subtle lynx]

Since I didn't use red tools, this is how my inventory looks like

[icy crow]

Clearly the worst fight is Plasmified Zango

[midnight dust]

Me too

[subtle lynx]

Idk if I'm missing any of the other shard collectibles

[devout oracle]

didn't get to it yet, but if i get the summon, i will

[midnight jasper]

What's different

Are you in act 3

[subtle lynx]

That I didn't use any of the shard collectibles cause I didn't need to

[devout oracle]

i did encounter some craw jurors, so yeh

[subtle lynx]

I also didn't break most of the shard rocks in the world

[midnight jasper]

I found the Craw Summons randomly in Bellhart

[tight viper]

The hitbox is completely bullshit, there’s no debate to be had because it is objectively a stupid hitbox. The softlock bug was never truly fixed, they just threw on a bandage by having Lugoli magically teleport to the door if they leave the arena. The muckmaggot globs are inconsistent as fuck with their redirections and pogos. They can be actually pogo’d during Lugoli’s dive attack in phase 2 (same attack that caused the softlocks), but they cannot be pogo’d at any other time despite having no visible difference. Lugoli is mechanically so fucking dumb and poorly designed and I hope and pray that TC actually fucking fixes it, for real this time

[midnight jasper]

So what I have like 6 beast shards and I don't use them

[devout oracle]

went to bellhart to check on my bellhome and as we all know, your house is sturdy after a massive fall

[midnight jasper]

Bro relax

Lugoli isn't that bad

[tight viper]

Look at this shit

[iron bronze]

wait did i actually just ||kill the green prince?||

[tight viper]

Ass Jim has a fake ass

[cerulean sable]

Lugoli isnt the best boss but its like, hes aight at most

[midnight jasper]

So pogo him

[tight viper]

That’s Flat Jim, not Ass Jim

[midnight jasper]

Don't walk into him directly

[tight viper]

Not what I’m saying

[iron bronze]

also im very confused by the dancers
are they brothers? lovers? whats going on there

[subtle lynx]

Idk I didn't have any of those issues with those bugs but I didn't find her mechanically dumb it was fun, I beat her in my second or third attempt in both my play throughs, but I'm sure they'll fix whatever is wrong with her eventually

[devout oracle]

they are lovers

[tight viper]

What I’m saying is that the hitbox should match the model, more or less

[midnight dust]

Ig lovers

[tight viper]

But it just straight up doesn’t

Lugoli is infamous for their ass but their ass isn’t real

[devout oracle]

the citadel hated green yaoi

[iron bronze]

whats the deal with the conjined heart then? born on the same beat?

[tight viper]

Magic Clover stuff

[devout oracle]

together forever ig

[iron bronze]

the idea of having to fill out this hunter's journal is haunting
im leaving that for future me when the dlc comes out

sinner's road

[tight viper]

You can avoid dealing with them, sure, but the fact that they exist at all is my issue with this fight

[devout oracle]

on my first playthrough that i did with cheats, i beat the clover dances over karmelita 😭

[tight viper]

Ass Jim’s most prominent feature shouldn’t be a damn lie

[icy crow]

Have you got the Muckmaggot and Sandcarver entries by the way

[tight viper]

The cake is a fucking lie!

[iron bronze]

muck maggot, yes, sand carver no

i think the sandcarvers got ||mutated|| so they're no good

[icy crow]

Go to Blasted Steps and do the same thing you did to murder Muckmaggots

[icy crow]

They don't

[glacial kelp]

wdym mutated

[tight viper]

You’re thinking of Groms

[azure socket]

? I beat the Lugoli first try. Not that bad

[fiery burrow]

Hitboxes being slightly smaller than the sprite seems normal

[tight viper]

And/or Gromlings

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[icy crow]

Only the two main enemies of Wormways get plasmified and even then the Weavenest there has the normal variant of them still

[tight viper]

Talking about the mechanics and design of the fight, it’s a load of horseshit

[fiery burrow]

It just makes for a more lenient fight

[iron bronze]

i dont even know why or what im looking for rn

[devout oracle]

is the wreath of purity good against lugoli?

[subtle lynx]

This was my build for almost the whole play through btw

[tight viper]

The fight isn’t hard, not at all. But it’s just poorly designed

[icy crow]

What's your goal now?

[tight viper]

Stupidly designed

[exotic dome]

it could be useful yeah

[tight viper]

But it isn’t slightly smaller

[iron bronze]

no idea i havent played in a while
it seems i was collecting hearts

[azure socket]

Its design is gross 100% hate its looks and aesthetics, mechanics annoying but not that bad

[neat python]

what fight

[azure socket]

Lugoli

[fiery burrow]

I'm looking at the screenshot you sent it looks fine

[midnight jasper]

It can be useful, but I'd recommend using something else

You can only tank a few hits with it then it breaks, use something better I'd say

[icy crow]

If you've gotten four hearts then you did all the memories

You should look out for the mementos

[neat python]

lugoli is tuff

[subtle lynx]

No

[tight viper]

Half of Lugoli’s sprite is not covered by the hitbox

[glacial kelp]

frito is talking about it the context of his challenge run i presume

[exotic dome]

it's an ok fight imo nothing too crazy

[tight viper]

That was where my hatred started but it extends beyond that

[short estuary]

Im fighting lost lace and i got stuck in a wall…

[devout oracle]

i mean, multibinder is also a good option

[azure socket]

I didn’t know he did a challenge run

[midnight jasper]

I feel like it's not really bad design, they wanted it to fit to the Sinner's Road/Bilewater ish style

[tight viper]

Because these mechanics don’t go away with/without challenge runs

[azure socket]

I know but it GROSSSSSSS

[tight viper]

I think Lugoli can work just fine as a boss if they fix the inconsistencies with it

[midnight jasper]

Yeah that's the whole point of the two areas

[azure socket]

Hate that ENTIRE region

[midnight jasper]

So why is it an issue when a boss is made of it

[glacial kelp]

exactly because who the hell knows what fwshh means

[devout oracle]

cuz you can remove muckmaggots AND heal at the same time

[tight viper]

The muckmaggot globs, the hitbox, the telegraphing, the softlock bug…

[azure socket]

I know it is doesn’t mean I have to respect it

[tight viper]

It’s all a lie and I hate Lugoli for it

[fiery burrow]

Well the front of the body wouldn't damage you for obvious reasons which only leaves a small amount of the bum left which is... fine? It just means you can graze the boss and go "wow that was close" which is normal

[azure socket]

: )

[iron bronze]

oh right there is a quest list
seems to be:

• Fight Trobbio (again)
• Race that other guy (again)
• Find MUSHROOM MAN
• And destroy ||void|| masses

and some final boss thing for the main quest, that is of no concern

[fiery burrow]

Generous hitboxes are good game design

[midnight jasper]

Not talking about whether you should respect it or not, it's all your opinion. I'm talking about the guy that just called it bad design

[exotic dome]

softlock bug hasn't been fixed yet?

[tight viper]

But this isn’t generous, this is just deceptive

[midnight jasper]

I'm not a Lugoli fan either but I'm not biased

[tight viper]

They slapped duct tape on it

[azure socket]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[midnight jasper]

My question is

So what

[fiery burrow]

deceptive... in the players favor?

[subtle lynx]

Uh, not really?

[azure socket]

Not biased either it’s just GROSSSS

[tight viper]

It shouldn’t be a damn square

[midnight jasper]

You can literally just pogo it and just avoid it

[subtle lynx]

Why would it be deceptive

[fiery burrow]

I didn't even notice it in any playthrough its not a big issue

[iron bronze]

you'd have been hit anyways im very confused

[glacial kelp]

what should it be instead

[midnight jasper]

It's not like it'd reach you from 500 miles

[subtle skiff]

I do not see the problem

[tight viper]

That isn’t what I’m saying! I’m saying it should line up with the sprite

[glacial kelp]

a triangle

[icy crow]

Out of all these Sprintmaster Swift is the easiest. It's just the third round but it has six laps (for his memento)

[azure socket]

Whack it

[exotic dome]

it's not like a sly hitbox

[tight viper]

It isn’t about getting hit or not getting hit

[subtle skiff]

Have you seen like any TC hitbox ever, theyre always somewhat lenient

[subtle lynx]

It does aline pretty well

[tight viper]

It’s about the fact that the hitbox is a straight up square

[midnight jasper]

How else would you want them to line up the hitbox to the sprite more than this

[glacial kelp]

desire

[fiery burrow]

Square hitboxes are normal

[midnight jasper]

If they make it bigger the boss would be easier to hit from distance

[azure socket]

That aligns pretty well

[tight viper]

The way they did it with Bell Beast and Unravelled, by having it go along the sprite edges

[midnight jasper]

Yeah LOL

[azure socket]

And most hitboxes ARE squared and rectangles

[subtle skiff]

Square hitboxes are standard yes

[tight viper]

They can do circular hitboxes

[subtle lynx]

Dude, you would go crazy if you saw what every other hitbox was

[glacial kelp]

why would it need to be circular

[tight viper]

I’ve looked at plenty, there are others that are problems

[azure socket]

Idfk

[fiery burrow]

Idk about Silksong but p much everything in HK was just a box because you only need rough approximations for it to feel fair

[tight viper]

But Ass Jim has a fake ass

That shouldn’t be allowed

[subtle lynx]

No?

[azure socket]

XD

[subtle skiff]

Yeah this is like, literally every single hk hitbox lmao

[midnight jasper]

Both of the bosses you just named fit perfectly into a Rectangle and a Sqaure. Any boss that would need hitboxes would also need the hitbox to be both fair for the player and the boss

[tight viper]

It’s Ass Jim

[glacial kelp]

well kinda ig

[light swan]

what modded bosses should i try

[midnight jasper]

Lost Sinner

[tight viper]

Ass Jim’s ass should line up with the hitbox

[glacial kelp]

square asses are normal too

[tight viper]

It shouldn’t be like this

[light swan]

ones that are fun and not random bullshit go

lost & chained does not work

[subtle lynx]

But it does???

[midnight jasper]

Bro the hitbox is literally normal

It lines up

[azure socket]

Case b point SpongeBob

[tight viper]

Are we looking at the same image?

[fiery burrow]

Also Lugoli moves fast

[subtle lynx]

Idk are we???

Cause the image you showed it aline's pretty well

[iron bronze]

i cannot understand this complaint im being so fr

[fiery burrow]

If you're touching the part of his sprite without a hitbox you're still probably going to get hit immediately after

[glacial kelp]

i get what youre saying but its not like its egregiously bad or anythjng

[azure socket]

I don’t either

[light swan]

lost sinner looks a bit like rnadom bullshit go

[fiery burrow]

Like does this negatively impact the fight

[tight viper]

This is how you make a hitbox line up

[subtle skiff]

If anything this positively impacts the fight

[tight viper]

Is it perfect? No, but it’s close enough and reasonable

[fiery burrow]

Did you graze past him and go like "Wow this is so unfair the hitbox is too generous"

[tight viper]

Ass Jim isn’t reasonable at all

[tight viper]

Again, it’s not about getting vs not getting hit. It’s the principle

[subtle lynx]

Oh that's why the boss felt like shit, cause the hitbox matches exactly the figure of the boss for some reason

[fiery burrow]

Not unravelled as the example of a good hitbox 💔

[subtle lynx]

It's exactly a perfect example of a bad hitbox

[tight viper]

Ass Jim is well known for having an ass. But the Ass is a lie

[tight viper]

As it should

[midnight jasper]

My guy how else would you want the boss's hitbox to line up

[subtle lynx]

No???

[tight viper]

Hitboxes should line up visually

[subtle lynx]

No!!!

[azure socket]

No???????

[iron bronze]

why did ||lost garmond appear twice||

[glacial kelp]

games generally make hitboxes more forgiving than the sprite

[tight viper]

Visually. If I am touching the sprite, I should get hit

[azure socket]

I don’t know

[subtle lynx]

That's not how anything works, it would feel like shit, example: unraveled

[iron bronze]

so... you're upset you didnt get hit?

[subtle skiff]

No they shouldnt, not perfectly

[sharp slate]

I see what you are saying to a degree, but the difference between unravelled and jim is also their attacks, you need to be generous for enemies that have animations/ big changes to their animation

[tight viper]

If there’s a little wiggle room, sure. But Ass Jim has more than that

[azure socket]

I think so

[midnight jasper]

Dude if you run into Lugoli you'll still get hit

I don't get your point

[tight viper]

The Unravelled is actively animated, the silk moves around

[fiery burrow]

Yeah that attack can pretty easily hit you

[tight viper]

It isn’t about being hit, it’s about the principle of Ass Jim’s head and ass not existing in the hitbox

[fiery burrow]

Its still a threat

[glacial kelp]

much less than lugoli really

[fiery burrow]

Why would his head damage you lol

That's not intuitive

[midnight jasper]

Lugoli's lunge is hard to avoid and you literally get hit everytime, what are you complaining about????

[tight viper]

Why would it not exist for a hitbox?

[subtle skiff]

So youre just arguing for the sake of it, makes sense

[tight viper]

This is something TC needs to fix

[midnight jasper]

Do you want the boss to hit you when you look at it eye to eye 😭✌️

[azure socket]

I’m so confused why Frito is having an issue with the hotboxes… does he know that most if not all games use the standard square hitbox even on round sprites?

[tight viper]

Give Ass Jim an actual ass

[fiery burrow]

Because that wouldn't plausibly damage Hornet bro

[midnight jasper]

Exactly

[glacial kelp]

idk why people are talking about fighting it are you not just complaining that it visually doesnt match

[sharp slate]

Fritos arguement is fine imo, doesnt really matter, i think when possible a hitbox should match

[subtle lynx]

Dude if anything the unraveled hitbox should be smaller, am I really getting damaged by hitting this?

[tight viper]

Ass Jim should have an ass instead of this shit

[subtle lynx]

Like the hitbox matches exactly the sprite for some reason

[azure socket]

HIS ASS STILL HITS YOU

[iron bronze]

what a conversation

[tight viper]

But half of the damn thing isn’t real

[glacial kelp]

a large portion of his ass doesnt

[sharp slate]

they probably put less time into hitboxes of some bosses as well, jim is low priority

[azure socket]

Exactly

[tight viper]

Half of the ass is a complete lie

[tight viper]

Ass Jim should be priority given how buggy it was on release

[glacial kelp]

frito what if his ass is a background object have you considered this

[midnight jasper]

Squared hitboxes are normal for video game bosses idk what's going in your head

[subtle lynx]

No...

[tight viper]

It might as well be

[azure socket]

Omg

[tight viper]

I don’t care, I care about Ass Jim being a liar and a deceiver

[azure socket]

Guys

[midnight jasper]

Man I fought Lugoli and I was annoyed by how much he was able to hit me, bro wants the boss to hit him through Bluetooth on eye contact

[hallow zodiac]

guys guess what night it is!

[azure socket]

GUYS SHUSH RQ

I pretty sure Frito is trolling + not being serious

[midnight jasper]

Lugoli's hitbox is fine

[still osprey]

This is such a pointless argument if someone wants a character to have ass let them have ass

[midnight jasper]

You're the only one annoyed by it

[midnight jasper]

He's ragebaiting

[iron bronze]

ive never seen an argument so silly

[hallow zodiac]

does anyone wanna do game night with me?…since it’s a Sunday and night for me?

[glacial kelp]

people are lowkey stupid its fine

[sharp slate]

I agree with frito but im not gonna complain about it tbh

[tight viper]

I am completely serious. Ass Jim can still leave the arena, they fixed it by having them just teleport to the door

[sharp slate]

They have a point

[azure socket]

What’d I say?

[tight viper]

The muckmaggot globs should be either all pogoable or not all pogoable

[glacial kelp]

is it ragebaiting if youre getting mad for no reason

[tight viper]

It’s about the principle

[hallow zodiac]

what is happening in here?

[smoky bridge]

Lace is probably light as hell.

packing her pockets with rocks so the wind doesn't blow her away.

[azure socket]

I DONT KNOW

[tight viper]

Lugoli is a comically inconsistent bastard

[midnight jasper]

Idk u

[midnight dust]

What's ur favourite boss?
Mine is first sinner

[sharp slate]

just looked at unravelled hitbox didnt realize its so dynamic, intresting

[hallow zodiac]

karmelita

[tight viper]

Second Sentinel is cool

[midnight jasper]

Since when were the muckmaggot blobs pogoable LOL

[glacial kelp]

what is game night

[tight viper]

The dive attack ones are, the other ones aren’t

[sharp slate]

karm

[glacial kelp]

like bingo or something

[still osprey]

Go my boss tier list

[tight viper]

It’s fucking dumb

[hallow zodiac]

I ask questions and you answer them first to win 500 points is the winner

[azure socket]

Oooo maybe let me just deal with Half Ass Frito

[glacial kelp]

500 is crazy

[midnight jasper]

Who's even going to try and pogo off of these

Why does it genuinely matter

[hallow zodiac]

OKAY FOLKS GAME NIGHT IS IT!

[hallow zodiac]

each question gives 100 points

[tight viper]

It’s the principle of it all. It should be consistent

[light swan]

coral kin is fun but i am not sitting through that gauntlet every time

[azure socket]

Ooooo

[midnight jasper]

Ok I change my mind this sounds fun

[glacial kelp]

i get what youre saying but the principle has no basis

[sharp slate]

thats really odd

[glacial kelp]

gyattfly is something we as a community created anyways

[hallow zodiac]

LETS START GAME NIGHT

on tonight’s game! We ask questions about tools charms nails and mores!

first question of the game is

which charm in hollow knight consumes soul without command

[still osprey]

Glowing womb

[midnight jasper]

Glowing Womb

[tight meadow]

The orange one

[tight viper]

Glowing womb

[midnight dust]

I think widow deserve s tier too

[hallow zodiac]

100 POINTS FOR BAD TIE!

[subtle lynx]

Genuinely why do people like trobbio there's nothing likeable about his fight, are people here just a bunch of theatre kids or what

[azure socket]

Glowing Womb

[tight meadow]

...

[tight viper]

He’s funny

[ionic stump]

Who will win karmelitta or the industrial revolution?