sk-discussion

[icy crow]

Unleash your inner gaming

[graceful cairn]

true

[strange knot]

Mio is peak I should complete it finally.

I’m not like half through the game tho

[graceful cairn]

I dont know the citadel route at all

[severe cosmos]

Should i paggenfy hornet

[icy crow]

Meanwhile I don't even own the game

[severe cosmos]

who even likes sk be serious dude

[icy crow]

As in for the 5h speedrun?

[fallow sorrel]

Me

[severe cosmos]

dies you

[strange knot]

Nah I hate it I definitely didn’t play it for 360 hours definitely

[graceful cairn]

I just dont know the route at all for any run 🎉

[strange knot]

370*

[graceful cairn]

I need to learn ts

[lyric matrix]

guys i hit 200 hrs on silksong

[slender juniper]

Get used to it

[lyric matrix]

so proud of myself :3

[icy crow]

In 5h people usually just get Architect's Melody first

[lyric matrix]

for not touching grass

[icy crow]

Though of course you can get Vaultkeeper's if you want

[slender juniper]

Get that vitamin D gng

[strange knot]

Vaultkeepers seems like a better choice for first one tbh

[icy crow]

Only major roadblock is the Forum

[slender juniper]

...how

They all get vault keepers first

[lyric matrix]

i gotchu twin

[icy crow]

• Trigger the cutscene
• Get Architect's
• Profit

[slender juniper]

You need clawline for architects

[fallow sorrel]

No.

[glacial kelp]

vaultkeepers is just on the way to clawline anyways

[slender juniper]

No you need to do it from clawline

[strange knot]

Vaultkeepees is prob the easiest melody

[glacial kelp]

what does this mean

[icy crow]

For all I know is that I got Clawline and immediately went to Cogwork Dancers

[glacial kelp]

im noticing shit is an anagram of this

[hexed sonnet]

how do i heal in the father of the flame boss? i got two wisps down with magma bell but by the time that recharges something gets me again

[strange knot]

Oh you went through Whiteward?

[slender juniper]

Trobbio-clawline-sacred cylinder-vaulkeepers

[glacial kelp]

well it's still on the way

just the way back

[icy crow]

Yeah iirc

[placid citrus]

u don't

[hexed sonnet]

i got clawline after trobbio

[icy crow]

I don't remember much about my 5h speedrun

[hexed sonnet]

bruh its a stupid fight its just nonstop pogo

[placid citrus]

ye it's peak

[strange knot]

I don’t think Whiteward is really a good choice for any% tbh.

[glacial kelp]

you can only heal with tears

[hexed sonnet]

gave up on groal to get some masks and tools and found this guy

whats the requirement for act 3 btw

[modest stirrup]

Spam voltvessels!

[placid citrus]

ye it's not optimal for any%

[glacial kelp]

you're better off just looking it up

or maybe the sk help guys have it on standby

[strange knot]

How to get to Act 3 in Silksong

• Get the fleas to their final destination in Putrified Ducts / Pale Lake (Requires you to discover first)
• Requires rescuing at least 22 fleas total
• Obtain the Bellhome key from Pavo in Bellhart and unlock your Bellhome
• Obtain all 3 melodies and defeat Lace in The Cradle
• Defeat Groal the Great in Bilewater and obtain the Seeker's Soul
  Obtain both traversal skills available in act 2. (See Below)
  -# Faydown Cloak
  -# Clawline
• Complete almost all Wishboard wishes in Bone Bottom, Bellhart and Songclave, with some required (See Below for Required)

-# Flexible Spines
-# Bone Bottom Repairs
-# A Lifesaving Bridge
-# Crawbug Clearing
-# Building Up Songclave
-# Strengthening Songclave
-# Restoration of Bellhart
-# Bellhart's Glory
-# Balm for the Wounded

• Purchase all of Shakra's maps and complete her wish (Trail's End) obtainable from Bellhart
• Sell at least one relic through your journey
• Upgrade your Needle at least once

After completing all of these requirements
Speak to the Caretaker in Songclave or visit the wishwall in Bellhart to obtain the Silk and Soul Wish.

How to complete Silk and Soul quest

• Obtain the Maiden's Soul from the Chapel Maiden to the left of Bone Bottom
• Obtain the Hermit's Soul from Bell Hermit under the secret tunnels in Bellhart's Bell Station
• Obtain the Seeker's Soul (You should have it already from Bilewater)
• Obtain Snare Setter in Weavernest Alta in a secret room that requires a double jump to get to (Towards the pathway to get Weaverlight tool, somewhere in a hidden ceiling)

[glacial kelp]

welp

[strange knot]

Here

[modest stirrup]

||all shakra items, all board quests, all flees||

[hexed sonnet]

how did you call it lmao

[hexed sonnet]

tysm

[strange knot]

Not all fleas + not all board quest + not all shakra items

[modest stirrup]

bro typed allat

[solar thistle]

I did not know it was so much 💀

[glacial kelp]

i think it's fair to say this as a shorthand

[strange knot]

You need 22 fleas, some quests and all shakra maps

[modest stirrup]

gaw damn

[strange knot]

Yh true

[modest stirrup]

I did all of those and it worked for me so idk

[glacial kelp]

by the time you get everything you'll met the reqs anyways

[strange knot]

It’s just a bit less

[glacial kelp]

i didn;t know about relic though that's interessting

[solar thistle]

Try to get the cursed child achievement first before act 3

[hexed sonnet]

from this i did

bellhome
not sure about flea count last i saved vog and one in choral chambers
done lace
done all traversal abilities
bellhart's shakra quest is left and in songclave 1 is left
upgraded needle thrice

and whats a relic?

[placid citrus]

where r your fleas at

[hexed sonnet]

grand gate

[placid citrus]

u need more

[hexed sonnet]

how many more

[strange knot]

The thing you give to npc that is in one of bellhart houses

[strange knot]

U need 22

[placid citrus]

until they ain't at grand gate anymore

[hexed sonnet]

i gave two things so thats done

[strange knot]

Yeah

[hexed sonnet]

doing pretty gud then

other than groal pale lake and flea carriage

[placid citrus]

btw doing only wishboard quests is not enough so you'll have to get a couple of quests from npcs

[hexed sonnet]

i try accepting as many npc quests as possible

last npc quest i finished was great taste

[placid citrus]

yeah alr you'll be fine then

[hexed sonnet]

i have 4 silk skills and shaman and witch crests left to find

little bit of this little bit of that ahh gameplay 😭

[placid citrus]

those aren't required for act 3

[hexed sonnet]

nice

[green owl]

whaty happening

[hexed sonnet]

why does this mf father of the wisp have a second phase 😒

[toxic vigil]

all mementos at once!

[leaden drum]

im not kidding when i say i had a dream where sea of sorrow came out

[graceful oyster]

Tomorrow, right?

[leaden drum]

yea

my dreams are always right so..

[glacial kelp]

was there an announced time besides 2026

[glass mortar]

just discovered forebrothers smth do they reward me with anything

[ionic stump]

I had a dream that zoteboat came out

[lusty grove]

they're required for act 3

[glacial kelp]

youll need it for later if nothing else

[graceful oyster]

I had a dream last night where I fooled a god-killing man into leaving me alone, on the basis that I was not the mountain god he thought I was, and that I was merely a mound of sand. I then used my mountain god powers to rain doom upon his village. He then saw his folly. The dream ended.

[glass mortar]

dang them

[ionic stump]

I had a dream where I played as zote

[opaque sigil]

Which epic poem was this again

[ionic stump]

Peak game

[tight hull]

but is better to fight them in act 2

[lusty grove]

I had a dream where I woke up. It was weird when I woke up for the second time

[graceful oyster]

No this is genuinely a dream I had last night

[glacial kelp]

i had a dream where i was running from the mountain man and he slowly turned everything around him into sand

[ionic stump]

Yeah bc in act 3 all of the support enemies will be voided

[tight hull]

Hollow Zote: Zote

[glacial kelp]

no ong this happens so much i feel schizophrenic

while dreaming i go "this sucks because this isn't a dream" and it is

[ionic stump]

My dreams are surprisingly simple

Aka normal things

[slender juniper]

I had a dream where I slept

[tight hull]

I don't have dreams :(

[ionic stump]

I have some weird dreams sometimes but they are rare

I was probably struck by the dream nail

[chilly mountain]

This is sk disc

And this is sneaky golem

[hexed sonnet]

it takes 6 hits to destroy one wisp off of father of the flame's branch

[ionic stump]

Idk the conversation switched to dreams

[hexed sonnet]

6 pogos
6 times dodging flames
30 pogos just for the first phase

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[tight hull]

Is this Sunny?

[lusty grove]

those dreams are very hidden

[chilly mountain]

No its not

[slender juniper]

Who is this diva

[ionic stump]

Bilewater trobbio

[tight hull]

whatsapp trobbio

[chilly mountain]

Green trobbio ( says it in a zesty way )

[slender juniper]

That one canceled Xylotol quest where you had to phial bilewater enemies

[ionic stump]

Can't wait for yellow trobbio ( high halls)version

[ionic stump]

Thanks god

But ig some are easy

[slender juniper]

fuck your muck blood

[chilly mountain]

Where is red trobbio

[tight hull]

I can't wait for pink trobbio

[chilly mountain]

Cant wait for purple trobbio

[tight hull]

cant wait for rainbow trobbio

[ionic stump]

Rn we have red trobbio
Emo trobbio, john Bilewater trobbio

[slender juniper]

They made the gay gayer

[chilly mountain]

Cant wait for polychrome trobbio

[graceful oyster]

You probably do

[tight hull]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fein-undertale-the-seven-souls-human-9SZsSkcIfxlWeBkvYB

[ionic stump]

Can't wait for black trobbio

[tight hull]

trobbio be like

[graceful oyster]

Almost everyone ever has dreams, it's just rare to remember any of them

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[ionic stump]

Idk what you will say trobbio will never reach grimm

[tight hull]

then I don't remember any dream

[ionic stump]

Grimm is what trobbio wishes to be

[chilly mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/l-death-note-tenna-kick-l-death-note-gif-17497012740248711584

[amber aspen]

hii

[ionic stump]

John anime vs John tv time

[chilly mountain]

John kaisen ?

[tight hull]

john vs doe

[graceful oyster]

I'm realizing that I hate characters with long pointy noses

Does spamton have a long pointy nose

[ionic stump]

I love spamton

[tight hull]

ye

[graceful oyster]

Okay

[ionic stump]

Yes

[chilly mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/antenna-mr-ant-tenna-tenna-ant-tenna-mr-tenna-gif-16846947191589955294

[graceful oyster]

That's why

[lusty grove]

why?? it's peak design

[ionic stump]

Tenna is Also alr ig

[tight hull]

what a holy gif

[chilly mountain]

Spamtenna is peak

[graceful oyster]

I couldn't tell you why

It applies to sharpe too

[still osprey]

This is great

[ionic stump]

I mean i never replayed ch 3 bc of the damn mini games i need s rank for John mantle

I have a save at the end of it to harass Rory knyte

[graceful oyster]

This is why I like Mio so much, none of the characters have noses

[lusty grove]

hot take: the game would be worse if Bilewater wasn't included
hot take: the game would be better if Putrified Ducts wasn't included and Pale Lake was just a part of Bilewater

[chilly mountain]

Js close the game then reopen it

[still osprey]

ch3 isn't the best deltarune chapter, but it's the most fun deltarune chapter

[ionic stump]

Ok

[lusty grove]

damn

[chilly mountain]

Ch4 is better

[lusty grove]

okay then
I'm never speaking again

[tight hull]

but how pale lake would be a part of bilewater if bilewater wasnt included?

[ionic stump]

Yeah but if you are late into one it takes time

[still osprey]

Yea ch4 is the best chapter so far

[ionic stump]

I'M OLD

[hushed girder]

I beat the whole game and I still almost died to my bell beast on steel soul,

[lusty grove]

no I think Bilewater SHOULD be included

[tight hull]

gerson is peak

[ionic stump]

can't wait for ch 5 this year

[chilly mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-ch-4-gerson-gif-9095389302995911656

[still osprey]

But ch3 has the best gameplay of all 4

[ionic stump]

Will probably have butgentruck lore

[still osprey]

And also the best boss in the game

[chilly mountain]

Yes

[lusty grove]

as the years go by
I'll never die

[green owl]

yall are the cogwork dancers hard?

[chilly mountain]

Rory nyte is easy ngl

[still osprey]

No

[lusty grove]

not really

[ionic stump]

Yeah also friend inside me exists

[chilly mountain]

No but fun

[green owl]

k

[still osprey]

eram is genuinely harder

[ionic stump]

I love when gay clankers are attacking me

[chilly mountain]

Eram took me 3 tries its also easy tho

[fiery burrow]

is it a hot take that putrified ducts shouldn't exist

[chilly mountain]

Yo ???!!

[still osprey]

eram was the most miserable nohit ever

[ionic stump]

John mantle took me more times than Rory

[green owl]

I think they are dating

[lusty grove]

idk, maybe

[chilly mountain]

They are gay

[ionic stump]

Putrified ducts should be Bilewater

[rose flax]

am i in the wrong server?? 😭

[green owl]

def gay

[fiery burrow]

you haven't fought eram yet?

[rose flax]

why are we suddenly talking about the wrong kind of darkness

[lusty grove]

well, anyway,
PUTRIFIED DUCTS SUCKS ASS AND PALE LAKE WOULD BE ACTIVELY BETTER IF IT WAS IN BILEWATER

[ionic stump]

But ig the station was good

[hexed sonnet]

how am i dying so many times to father of the flame wth

[chilly mountain]

This is sk discussion but transformed into deltarune discussion

[chilly mountain]

He is a pain with a long runback

[rose flax]

hornet should put down the needle and become a musician

[ionic stump]

I love when Noelle froze sherma

[rose flax]

mf picked up a string instrument and immediately could play a song without any practice

[chilly mountain]

With john lace

[lusty grove]

also, Wreath of Purity should be BEFORE Groal, not after

and Huntress could be literally anywhere else

[chilly mountain]

Nooooo

[ionic stump]

Technically it's before

[still osprey]

You can already get wreath way before groal

[green owl]

Who did what to Sherma...

[ionic stump]

Bc you can get to ducst through memorium

[chilly mountain]

I love when togore is cannon

[lusty grove]

yeah but it's not common

[hexed sonnet]

if it was simply possible to heal it would become 150% easier

[ionic stump]

Chara made me do that

[rose flax]

noelle was surprisingly easy for the vibe of the fight

just spam witch crest bind

[lusty grove]

Wreath should be behind a breakable wall in Sinner's Road next to the entrance to the Mist

[chilly mountain]

That tool isnt worth its like glowing womb

[ionic stump]

Epic fight John deltarune vs John Bilewater

[hexed sonnet]

whats the tool

[rose flax]

can’t wait to return to hallownest in act 4

[hexed sonnet]

vs john silksong

[chilly mountain]

Its like flame fotf does but it take silk

[ionic stump]

John sk and John hollow vs John undertale and John deltarune

Guest star friend inside me

[chilly mountain]

No john omori ,

[rose flax]

were widow and FS especially skilled weavers, or are all weavers just built different

[ionic stump]

It's a 2v2

[rose flax]

like there are no weak weavers

[ionic stump]

Imagine if Toby fox and Larkin collabed

[chilly mountain]

Battle of johns

[rose flax]

also how tf was widow slinging bells at us if she can’t use silk

[ionic stump]

They would make music 2

[chilly mountain]

Fox is better than larkin ngl

[ionic stump]

She is using the silk around her

[chilly mountain]

Fox is a musician who became a game dev

[ionic stump]

I agree

He became a dev bc of a dream

[chilly mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/tuff-bad-piggies-angrybirds-gif-16025987415731871008

[ionic stump]

Yeah that's probably the dream

[green owl]

what in the what is this

[hexed sonnet]

this gif is the greatest thing ive seen my life

[chilly mountain]

Idk

[ionic stump]

Toby fox fever dream

[rose flax]

this gif is the worst thing i’ve seen in my life

[chilly mountain]

Ocelot vs rice

[daring basin]

who and where do yall find this shi

[chilly mountain]

Idrk

[hexed sonnet]

i want to play undertale but apparently it doesnt have mouse controls and requires a controller so im skipping that

[ionic stump]

Imma go fight last sinner now

[chilly mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1418632125263118468/1464750868003029032/attachment.gif

[chilly mountain]

Gl

[rose flax]

act 5 secret boss

[daring basin]

heavenly picture pull

[chilly mountain]

Star sherma

[lusty grove]

it's the Weaver's Den weaver

[ionic stump]

I smh first tried fs widow flashback came back

[rose flax]

that’d actually be peak

[chilly mountain]

John weaver

[hexed sonnet]

my pinky is sore from pressing on shift to dash for this father of the flam

[ionic stump]

Imagine if we fought John spider

[green owl]

looks like they about to do a magic show

[chilly mountain]

Silk skills vs spells

[green owl]

oooooh

[rose flax]

aren’t spiders just classified as bugs who can use silk in HK

[rotund gate]

Who else hollow knight

[chilly mountain]

Spells are better than silk skills

[lusty grove]

I think it's worth mentioning that Herrah is REALLY big when compared to other Weavers
like, it's not just cuz she's fat, she's also tall

[ionic stump]

Spells have a nuke

Well silk skills also have thread strorm

[chilly mountain]

And a missile

[still osprey]

Silk Skills have Cross Stitch

[ionic stump]

But nuke better bc haha get nuke spammed

[rotund gate]

except vengeful spirit cuz groal used it

[chilly mountain]

Ngl That dash is the only good skill

[rotund gate]

source: trust me

[rose flax]

mf was ascended from a giant drapemite

chunky as fuck

[ionic stump]

As much as I love cross stitch descending dark has the same tactic aka inv frames

[chilly mountain]

Well he did use it but groal is a noob he doesnt have shaman stone

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G_Efyg_W4AAFy9L.gif

[ionic stump]

Neither the upgraded version

[restive ibex]

Dd is like 10x better tho lol

[ionic stump]

Imagine fighting lost groal who has all 3 void hk spells

[graceful oyster]

No, cross stitch is better

[chilly mountain]

Depends

[rotund gate]

Meoww

[balmy wraith]

i feel like cross stitch is better than dderk

[chilly mountain]

Dd is good in absrad

[rose flax]

is FS like a really strong weaver, or are all weavers just fucking busted

would fighting a normal weaver be like killing average enemies?

[restive ibex]

Dd always activates even if you aren't hit, it allows you to position reliably and doesn't have the same dumbass cool down frames after using an attack

[graceful oyster]

Ddark is incredible don't get me wrong but merely the instant startup time of stitch makes it more powerful

[ionic stump]

Fs more like fg ( g stands for sth else)

[hexed sonnet]

guys i have silkspear threadstorm runerage and cross stitch what do i have left

[balmy wraith]

🧐

[ionic stump]

Sharp dart and pale nails

Pale nails are on act 3

[graceful oyster]

Ddark always activating would be cool if knight didn't have other spells to use instead

[ionic stump]

Sharp dart is on wormways

[native tusk]

She may be stronger than others since she is the first weaver ever made

[chilly mountain]

Sharp dart is the best silkskill

[hexed sonnet]

are they better than anything i have now

[graceful oyster]

Bait used to be believable

[ionic stump]

They are way better than runerage

[rose flax]

or could be weaker, as a prototype with that cracked ass mask

[balmy wraith]

pale nail is good

[chilly mountain]

Is this ragebait to u ?

[ionic stump]

Nah parry Better

[rose flax]

imagine we find out FS was actually weaker compared to most weavers and get to fight an actual prime textbook weaver

[lusty grove]

ik she's on a throne here, but she's still way taller than a regular Weaver

[chilly mountain]

I dont really even use red tools or silk skills i js do nail dmg

[hexed sonnet]

i miss act 1 so much

life was so peaceful

[ionic stump]

Only red tools I use is tacks or clanker drones

[restive ibex]

In that gif I spam, there is a reason I dodge to the floor before using cross stitch.

Because if I attack or use a tool before cross stitch, there's like a 5 frame delay after hitting neutral position before you are allowed to cross stitch. It's honestly just poorly designed.

[ionic stump]

Especially when I got to the slab

[chilly mountain]

Ohhh yes i use clanker drones

[balmy wraith]

i use both nail and silk but barely use tools, but despite that i hate using shaman

[graceful oyster]

Shaman is too clunky

[chilly mountain]

Sk has a 0/10 replay value

[ionic stump]

I mainly use wanderer or hunter

[lusty grove]

this helps the theory that Herrah was ascended from a Drapemite instead of a Pharlid

[rose flax]

i’m really hoping we get to see that weaver’s den weaver later

[ionic stump]

Mainly hunter

[brisk sequoia]

Does silksong have a dlx

[balmy wraith]

we need dlc

[hexed sonnet]

i use no red tools

[brisk sequoia]

Jdj

[chilly mountain]

Sea of sorrow tmrw

[ionic stump]

Heard about this theory kinda makes sense

[rose flax]

specifically a giant drapemite lol

[graceful oyster]

Mio was intentionally designed with skips to make speedruns really fun
By the way

And low gear runs

[brisk sequoia]

Ive completed silksong like a long time did ts get a dlc yet? Im so bored when I replay it I dont feel that weakness anymore

[ionic stump]

Idk why but i generally hate speed running skips

[chilly mountain]

There is even a 5% run

[ionic stump]

I just love playing the game normally

[rose flax]

newest thing we got rn is act 3 lol

[lusty grove]

I love skips, they're so fun

[ionic stump]

Even if it means fighting sister splinter

[balmy wraith]

ima replay silksong beast crest only

[lusty grove]

like oops, just skipped half the map, mb lol

[ionic stump]

Do that without drills

[rose flax]

sister splinter was easy af idk why people complain about her

[balmy wraith]

with the cross stitch madness mod

[chilly mountain]

Bro HOW

[ionic stump]

Yeah she is not that bad

[native tusk]

I defeated her in 2nd try

[lusty grove]

the Beastfly skip in the Marrow skips basically every room in the Marrow

[balmy wraith]

cross stitch madness is prob my fav sk mode so far

[ionic stump]

Her minions were more annoying than her

[chilly mountain]

https://giphy.com/gifs/statement-he-made-a-BqV2EqRuGX6cgi5t5l

[hexed sonnet]

WTF IS THIS FLAME SHIT I DIDNT EVEN TOUCH THAT WTF

[chilly mountain]

Js like savage beastfly 2

[native tusk]

Sinner's road deserved a better boss than lugoli

[ionic stump]

Yeah

[hexed sonnet]

ON ONE HAND I HAVE GROAL AND ON THE OTHER THIS GUY????

[chilly mountain]

Use the magma bell

[ionic stump]

Ass jim

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/riy9gkgK0dS.gif

[native tusk]

I beat it's ass on first try

[lusty grove]

bosses that use the Sister Splinter soundtrack >>>>>>

[rose flax]

i’ve pretty much mastered SK combat on console, now i just have to finish my first PC playthrough

[ionic stump]

I don't remember any of them

[hexed sonnet]

funny u should say cos the magma bell blocked the flame and i reached a corner and as it was dying i moved close and i fucking died

[ionic stump]

The annoying thing is mastering sk movement and combat and having to return to normal hk

For some things I never did

[balmy wraith]

playing sk made hk more fun for me for some reason

[lusty grove]

Sister Splinter, Unravelled, Voltvyrm, Father of the Flame

[hexed sonnet]

but atleast the runback isnt that bad its a straight line

[ionic stump]

Besides the unraveled they are pretty forgettable

[lusty grove]

I like them

[ionic stump]

I love bosses with stive

Aka moorwing and pintsress

[near breach]

Guys the thing I need for 100% is 1 spool fragment that I missed

[lusty grove]

if Voltvyrm has a million fans, no it doesn't
if Voltvyrm has 5 fans, I'm one of them
if Voltvyrm has 1 fan, that fan is me
if Voltvyrm has no fans, I am no longer alive

[near breach]

Ts gonna take forever

[robust star]

Oh no

[ionic stump]

And it dies in less than a minute

[hexed sonnet]

lets go father of the flame died

[ionic stump]

The platforming was harder than the boss itself

[hexed sonnet]

pretty fun actually

[robust star]

You know about some you found i 100% silksong

[lusty grove]

ah, yes, my favorite boss, XBox

[hexed sonnet]

he died too soon

[lusty grove]

I don't care, I love the purple worms

[ionic stump]

Incisive battle is also good for having one of the best bosses in game savage beastfly

Savage beastfly changed my life

[robust star]

No. And you got the one at grand gate

[near breach]

Idk

[hexed sonnet]

groal shouldnt have the gauntlet before him every time bruh thats just murder with the god awful runback from the secret bench itself, the platforming, the straight line filled with those annoying dart enemies and THEN after all that theres a 4 round gauntlet

[robust star]

Oh maby search there

[near breach]

Ok

[lusty grove]

small detail that I love about HK (ik this is the SK channel but idc): there's a bench in Queen's Gardens with a speaker playing the soundtrack, and if you break the speaker it stops playing at that bench forever

[ionic stump]

One of the most surprising moments for me were when I finally beaten lj and went to the citadel only to fall to p2w works

[hexed sonnet]

it wouldve been perfectly fine to make the gauntlet a 1 time thing and then just forget about it because the runback itself is a boss fight

[fleet crag]

Genderman here

[ionic stump]

Stilkin have to go

[fleet crag]

Collect my pronouns

[robust star]

It is all the way on top of These swing things

[hexed sonnet]

AWOO MY ASS

if these fleas are flying back insane distances to the flea caravan they dont know exists, why are we even saving them like what

[robust star]

Because AWOOOOO

[lavish apex]

they are stupid

[robust star]

No

[lavish apex]

they do not have thoughts, just awoo

[hexed sonnet]

who's this yarnaby guy and what does he mean by specimen

[glass mortar]

bell home 2.0?

[robust star]

Awoo and sometimes they are stuck

[robust star]

Yes

Just kidding

[glass mortar]

i need an ordanate lamp for it dang

[glass mortar]

ik just a diving thing

[robust star]

Yes

[glass mortar]

signis and gron wasnt so bad afterall

[robust star]

You know for what

[glass mortar]

nah

[robust star]

Ok no spoilers

[hexed sonnet]

how do i bring out yarnaby

[robust star]

You need to get a virus

[glass mortar]

by being a good mother technically

[robust star]

Yes

But please dont remember me again

😭

[glass mortar]

it took me 3 or 4 days to figure out how to get that out of me

[hexed sonnet]

guys just say it

[robust star]

Yeah

[hexed sonnet]

idc abt spoilers

[lusty grove]

there must be a pattern, I just can't see it

[ionic stump]

We will have any zoteboat reference on sea of sorrow?

[glass mortar]

you will get some spikes from 2 people on the top right of sinners road

[robust star]

Ok you need do find a secret npc in shellwood

[hexed sonnet]

yeah tacks i got that

[robust star]

Think he does not have the paraside jet

[glass mortar]

again

you need the parasite for it

get like 600 before

or you will face hell kinda

[hexed sonnet]

oo

[toxic vigil]

Hi

[robust star]

Hi

[hexed sonnet]

counting the fleas in the background i have 14 fleas found out of 22

[keen shoal]

||I was wondering what will happen if you fight Lost Lace being cursed? Has anyone in the community ever tried that? If yes then does that unlock another ending? ||

[hexed sonnet]

do kratt and vog count?

[restive ibex]

Kill 8 billion bugs

[steep jolt]

OMG SOMEONE BUILT THE ENTIRE CITADEL IN MINECRAFT ITS SO COOL

[robust star]

Good question i dont know

[steep jolt]

it doesnt let you descend

[robust star]

Yes

[steep jolt]

hornet says you have to get rid of the curse

[stable pilot]

You can't fight her, and if you forcefully beat her it does not do anything

[balmy wraith]

if you what now

[hexed sonnet]

then i have 16 fleas found :)

[keen shoal]

I see. Thank you for mentioning that!

[hexed sonnet]

6 more to go

[robust star]

Nice

[hexed sonnet]

i need to grind a lot

[robust star]

Yeah I already 100% silksong and it took 79 houers

[stable pilot]

Forcefully beat her

[balmy wraith]

😢

[steep jolt]

like using cheats?

[hexed sonnet]

im already at 60

[lusty grove]

Sister Splinter seems to be used for bosses that are supposed to cause fear, and Strive is used for important but not as remarkable fights
Incisive Battle is probably just the standard bossfight soundtrack
but Cut Through seems arbitrary. Maybe it has something to do with revenge?

[stable pilot]

Yeah

[lusty grove]

Groal wants to avenge their people and their land, Lugoli wants revenge for being forgotten, Broodmother wants to free herself and her children, and Crawfather wants to deliver justice for the death of Pharloom

[robust star]

Uh... Okay

[lusty grove]

...

okay then, I'll never theorize again

[robust star]

Ill trust you

Ots good

Its

[lusty grove]

I'm not satisfied with the Strive one

[balmy wraith]

moss mother just wanted to live

[lusty grove]

there must be a deeper connection

[hexed sonnet]

is there even lore in silksong

[robust star]

I understand crawfather and the rest but not broodmother

[steep jolt]

bro cooked burnt

[exotic dome]

there is but you need to read dialogues, lore tablets etc. to get a grasp on the lore, or just watch a lore video on youtube

[lusty grove]

her kind was locked away and enslaved in the Slab ages ago for a sin her ancestors commited, so it is to be expected that she'd want freedom from this system

[balmy wraith]

alot

[lusty grove]

maybe all of them are doing their absolute best to defeat you? but that wouldn't explain why Raging Conchfly doesn't have it...

[robust star]

Ok. I just thought because she sends her childeren out in battle

[hexed sonnet]

51 hours 40 minutes was my time when i beat GMS

im at 61 hours 7 minutes now

[robust star]

Or what are These things

[lusty grove]

now that I think about it, Strive WOULD fit Raging Conchfly

[robust star]

Hm..

[hexed sonnet]

the lore tablets make 0 sense to me

i think its the way its written or cos english isnt my first language but yea none of the lore tablets make any sense to me

[lusty grove]

you know you can change Silksong's language in the settings, right?

[exotic dome]

not all languages are there

[hexed sonnet]

None of the other languages I know

[lusty grove]

oh

that sucks

[unkempt steeple]

Just died in steel soul becuse of the stupid down dash making me get contact damage and a double damage attack

[hexed sonnet]

Contact damage is so cheap like 80% of the difficulty comes from contact damage ffs

[stiff night]

can someone help me im stuck on widow

[hexed sonnet]

But then without it silksong wouldn't be silksong

[unkempt steeple]

Eh that's not really my issue here, my issue is who thought it was a good idea to make down dash something you don't need a tool for in silksong, they knew most people didn't equip dashmaster in POP due to the downdash and still kept it

[balmy wraith]

i like down dash

[unkempt steeple]

I can only of one time down dashing helped me in silksong and even that was on accident

[balmy wraith]

makes avoiding attacks in air easier

[hexed sonnet]

The first phase is pretty easy just get close and attack and stick to the walls whenever she's not on the ground

The second phase, when she starts throwing the bells just stick to a corner where she can't get you and chip away at her slowly

[stiff night]

ok thx

[balmy wraith]

or just dodge the bells and spam attack

[unkempt steeple]

She allways does the claw attack before disappearing in her second phase

[hexed sonnet]

I defeated widow with reaper

[stiff night]

thats some real wanderer crest talk blud

[unkempt steeple]

So don't get too distracted from her when dodging bells in her second phase

[wanton nimbus]

I can't live without Wanderer Crest lmao

[balmy wraith]

ew no, i use hunter

[hexed sonnet]

Last time I did a boss with that

[balmy wraith]

and beast

no i am not a beast glazer

[unkempt steeple]

I've found hunter to be better for widow since it's easier to pogo her during the claw attack with its pogo

[hexed sonnet]

Beast is good for gauntlets

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/it-can't-be-steve-a-minecraft-movie-that's-impossible-there's-no-way-gif-2162257243614496426

[stiff night]

how get hunters crest?

[rose forge]

Son??

[hexed sonnet]

Good question

[unkempt steeple]

It's the crest you start with

[balmy wraith]

download the game

[wanton nimbus]

lmao

[stiff night]

THIS IS MY FIRST PLAYTROUGH

[unkempt steeple]

To pogo her claw attack aim for her back not her head

[balmy wraith]

first, buy game on steam, then open game, then click play, then click a save file, and boom, youve unlocked hunters crest

[unkempt steeple]

Since pogoing her head will just cause a parry

[hexed sonnet]

How many hours do you have on the save file?

[wanton nimbus]

Play and finish the game instead of being here.

[stiff night]

3

[balmy wraith]

ye sk discussion has spoilers

[unkempt steeple]

Also don't stay on the corners in her second phase

[hexed sonnet]

Wtf

[rose forge]

let him learn

[unkempt steeple]

But that's advice for most silksong bosses

[balmy wraith]

im pretty sure i had like 5 or 6 hours at widow on my first playthrough

[hexed sonnet]

3 hours and already at widow on the first playthrough??

[stiff night]

i do have 72 on hollow knight

[balmy wraith]

no i think i had like 8 maybe

[hexed sonnet]

I had like 8-10

[rose forge]

I had, 15 to more hours when I came to widow

[unkempt steeple]

I don't judge em, widow's the first real skill check imo

[rose forge]

wait no, MUCH MUCH more

[stiff night]

i beat pantheon 4

[balmy wraith]

im mad i lost my 70h save on sk and my 60h on hollow knight since i switched from switch to steam

[stiff night]

but silksong is so hard

[balmy wraith]

i exchanged my save file hours for better platform

[hexed sonnet]

It's funny how slowly the first like 20 hours went and then suddenly I get to act 2 and now I have 61 hours

[balmy wraith]

it was worth it

[unkempt steeple]

Silksong is probably the only game that gets easier in mid to late game lol

[stiff night]

rl?

[unkempt steeple]

It's crazy how many things deal double damage when you only have five masks

[balmy wraith]

and i cant get those 70h and 60h back cuz theres nothing left to do

[stiff night]

you can try p5

[balmy wraith]

it gets harder but the player naturally gets better

[balmy wraith]

i was thinking of that

[hexed sonnet]

I think I'll have 150 hours when I finish act 3

[rose forge]

Its crazy that hornet isn't supposed to play like the knight does

[balmy wraith]

rn i have 20h in my hollow knight save and its 112%

[stiff night]

tried it its imposible bro

[balmy wraith]

i need 40 more

[unkempt steeple]

That's not what I'm talking about? I know hornet is supposed to take more damage I'm talking about early game purely

[balmy wraith]

i died at winged nosk

my first and only time trying it

[stiff night]

p5 markoth

[hexed sonnet]

Is it just me or does everything seem bigger in bone marrow and deep docks compared to a place like greymoor

[balmy wraith]

i did do some practice so i think im ready to get past it now

i just havent retried p5 yet

[unkempt steeple]

Wdym bigger

[stiff night]

winged nosk is hard but doable

[hexed sonnet]

Like hornet seems bigger wrt to the environment and the platforms themselves are bigger

[stiff night]

absolute radiance is just stupid

[balmy wraith]

hornet gained weight from exploring

[balmy wraith]

i must beat it in p5 so i can replay it whenever i want and i wont have to go through the entirety of p5

[lavish apex]

absrad is good

[balmy wraith]

absrad looks fun

[unkempt steeple]

Personally greymoor seems bigger with it's open uncovered planes compared to marrow's small cave veins

[balmy wraith]

never tried it tho

[lavish apex]

can be way more frustrating than probably every other boss in the series though

[stiff night]

greymoor first try

[unkempt steeple]

Wdym first try

[stiff night]

first tryd it

[unkempt steeple]

You didn't die?

[hexed sonnet]

Greymoor sucks (died to moorwing 30 times)

[balmy wraith]

he did grey without mooring

[unkempt steeple]

I skipped moorwing on my first playthrough

[stiff night]

1 mask survived

[unkempt steeple]

Lol

[stiff night]

skipped him, how?

through wormways?

[unkempt steeple]

If you get 5 fleas, the flea caravan will go to moorwing's arena and open bellhart's entrace

[balmy wraith]

i still remember exploring greymoor on my first playthrough (i had boss trauma since the bosses were hard from me) and i got jumpscared by moorwig so i ran all the way up just to relize i can hit him and he cant hit me

[hexed sonnet]

Other than bilewater I think the game's difficulty is exaggerated like yes it's difficult and yes there are a lot of deaths but none of them are hair pulling difficult

Even putrified ducts

[stiff night]

lol

[warm creek]

moorwing was my number one opp when i first played

[unkempt steeple]

Moorwing then goes to another area in greymoor and becomes optional

[hexed sonnet]

Putrified ducts is a more sane place than bilewater I will never get the hate it gets more than bilewater

[stiff night]

what do yal think about big robot with 4 in name(forgot it)

[warm creek]

fourth chorus, he was alright

[stiff night]

pretty ez tho

[unkempt steeple]

Puttified just feels mostly pointless and what can be found there could basically be anywhere else

[hexed sonnet]

Fourth chorus first try and I feel bad for doing it first try

Fun ass boss I wish I could fight him more

[graceful oyster]

Fourth Chorus vs sleeping which one is more boring

[warm creek]

bilewater is actually the gates of hell i think

[stiff night]

pov p5 4th chorus(using al arms same time nonstop)

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/true-feel-that-thats-true-gif-7410050725709839510

[verbal steeple]

yeah honestly. when i first tried out HK i thought it'd be more difficult.

was the same with silksong

[graceful oyster]

🅰️⬆️🇽 simulator (on Xbox controller)

[verbal steeple]

actually i kinda also found bilewater to be fun

[stiff night]

[lavish apex]

i like fourth chorus

[stiff night]

i love the grubs

[graceful oyster]

It's great the first time

[lavish apex]

i hope it gets a rematch though lowkey

[stiff night]

CHOOSE NOW GRUBS OR FLEAS

[graceful oyster]

Where's my 5th chorus in HHG

[fiery burrow]

Grubs

[warm creek]

fleas, i feel no attachment to grubs

[graceful oyster]

Grubs are way better gameplay wise

[stiff night]

GRUBS

[hexed sonnet]

oh get the secret bench in bilewater it makes things easier 🤓

yeah and there's no way to get back out without touching the maggot water and then theres the stupid fucking respawning randomly spawning mosquitoes which make the basic platforming a complete nightmare

AND THEN TO TOP IT OFF a compulsory gauntlet before a boss

[graceful oyster]

Fleas are cute and that's it

[balmy wraith]

grub

[lavish apex]

fleas are cuter, grubs aren't cheap fucks and the reason you need to find them actually makes sense

[unkempt steeple]

Fleas becuse they have more characters and content related to them

[fiery burrow]

Use clawline to avoid touching the water

[stiff night]

THINK ABOUT THE SOUND THE GRUBS MAKE

[fiery burrow]

But yeah its a rough runback

[graceful oyster]

Grub map is way more exciting than Vog

[stiff night]

CUTE AF

[lavish apex]

grubs are also very cute don't get me wrong

grynne spittin

[unkempt steeple]

Excitment scalling is crazy

[hexed sonnet]

I just use the wreath

[fiery burrow]

Fleas being mandatory for true ending is wack

[graceful oyster]

We're deciding which one is better

So yes

[lavish apex]

act 3 entry requirements in general are whack

[stiff night]

tbh in coloseum of fools i got traumatized bc of the parasite grub

[fiery burrow]

Oh yeah I forgot about that tbh

[lavish apex]

probably the worst thing about the game

[fiery burrow]

nuke

[graceful oyster]

Good point. There are no flea mimics.

[verbal steeple]

silksoar not being obvious when to use is also a bad thing about the game

[unkempt steeple]

In theory it sounds good becuse it shows hornet cares for the bugs of pharloom but they are pretty odd requirements and there's no indication there's a "real" ending

[graceful oyster]

Silksoar in general is lame

[verbal steeple]

shade cloak had obvious black gates that showed where u should use it

silk soar doesn't have clear indicators

[graceful oyster]

Do NOT use shade cloak for any positive feedback

Shade cloak is awful

Void gates are stupid

[verbal steeple]

???

[stiff night]

who is worse p5 markoth or last judge

[lavish apex]

my issue with it is that most wishes are mid at best gameplay wise and like 85% of them are compulsory

[rose forge]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[opaque sigil]

I’ll eat both

[hexed sonnet]

Suppose a guy just downloaded the game and wants to play it blind, wouldn't know to reload his save file and go back and finish an insane number of things he didn't know he had to do

[balmy wraith]

last markoth

[graceful oyster]

Peak vs Peak, hard to say

[unkempt steeple]

I hate shade cloak so glad it's just an optional ability now and not a fundemental mechanic

[fiery burrow]

I didn't have much of an issue with void gates progression wise

[unkempt steeple]

Miss me with that cooldown bs

[verbal steeple]

since when did people start hating on shade cloak???

[lavish apex]

last judge should not ever be compared to p5 markoth do not insult them like that

[fiery burrow]

Forever

[graceful oyster]

No they're fine from a progression standpoint but they make no sense and feel like a shoo-in

[rose forge]

What is so problematic with shade dash

[verbal steeple]

is this the new ragebait meta?

[stiff night]

idk

[lavish apex]

i love shade cloak

[stiff night]

same

[rose forge]

Just realised ts is ragebait so js ignore it

[fiery burrow]

Anyway HK already has enough iframes to go around

[stiff night]

watchers without shade

[verbal steeple]

i did watchers without shade cloak

[stiff night]

W

[fiery burrow]

The combat didn't need more and the only bosses built around it are Traitor Lord / Radiance for obvious reasons

[graceful oyster]

HK builds up a whole combat system around tight positioning and fights that demand experience, and then in late game they throw a dodge at you that ignores everything and practically demands it for future bosses

[unkempt steeple]

Why do I have to start restricting my dashes becuse of this new ability I didn't ask for and can't activate without dashing normally

[hexed sonnet]

Architect crest seems to be a superior hunter crest but it doesn't do a curve attack but instead a straight line which is putting me off of it

[scarlet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-smoking-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-gif-9132939572397809601

[hexed sonnet]

Ts goes hard asf

[stiff night]

whats yals fav crest?

[lavish apex]

i mean that's a fair take i guess but it's a very cool upgrade lol

[unkempt steeple]

Shaman

[rose forge]

Beast

[hexed sonnet]

Wanderer

[lusty grove]

people be hating on Shade Cloak but loving Sharpdart

[scarlet karma]

Hunter or witch

[unkempt steeple]

Becuse I'm not confident enough to use red tools

[lusty grove]

Wanderer

[lavish apex]

i like how the superbosses integrate it

[rose forge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-fnaf-hwI4IOkCvGghSj6fqT

[lusty grove]

what's a superboss?

[graceful oyster]

Huge startup time + costs silk. It's aight

[lavish apex]

the really hard ones

[rose forge]

me

[lavish apex]

nkg absrad pv

[lusty grove]

and GPZ?

[scarlet karma]

radiance version I think

[stiff night]

youre not that guy bro

[hexed sonnet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lion-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-granteeoh-k4lS6uG5C1MOtomUAH

[lavish apex]

gpz is not remotely as hard as those 3 what

[rose forge]

nah im that guy twin trust

[lusty grove]

the 8 masks version is hard af

[verbal steeple]

shade cloak has a cooldown and also doesn't have alot of i-frames. i mean it sure does have noticable i-frames in order to dodge some attacks but i don't see it being much of an issue

its a fun move to use occasionally

[hexed sonnet]

Wats an i-frame

[rose forge]

the Superboss is Just Gray Prince Zote

[verbal steeple]

i don't find myself relying on it much except for like the bosses that DO require it

[rose forge]

invincibility frame

[lavish apex]

you get it so late game that every boss after is built around you having it it's fine

[lusty grove]

when you're at the end of P5 and the game throws the 5 hardest bosses at you consecutively

[lavish apex]

gpz is not that hard normally

[fiery burrow]

Its not a huuuge issue

[lusty grove]

ABSOLUTE RADIANCE, NIGHTMARE KING GRIMM, GREY PRINCE ZOTE, markoth, PURE VESSEL

[verbal steeple]

i mean the only bosses built around it is like what? traitor lord and the radiance?

[lavish apex]

maybe all bindings? idk even radiant didn't take me very long

pure vessel too

white defender sort of

[verbal steeple]

pure vessel isn't built around shade cloak

[fiery burrow]

Unless there are a good few early-mid game bosses you haven't fought yet or god forbid a DLC area where you need to fight everything with full gear

Its fine other than that

[balmy wraith]

why was you so unenthusiastic when saying markoth

[stiff night]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1oa1hxq/silksong_meme_redraws/

[verbal steeple]

i mean kinda is but u can do that fight with parrying his attacks which. while requires more skill

[stiff night]

oops

[verbal steeple]

is deff more satisfying

[lusty grove]

ngl that knife throwing attack was basically undodgeable without it

[lavish apex]

you are Not Dodging the projectiles consistently without it man

[stiff night]

its a meme

[verbal steeple]

oh yeah i forgot about that

[unkempt steeple]

yeah

[balmy wraith]

i never actually shade cloak the bullets

[lavish apex]

also the teleport stab is made for it

[lusty grove]

compared to the others he's just some guy but he's at the same difficulty level as the others

[balmy wraith]

i usually just get lucky and fall in the perfect position

[rose forge]

Luck vs Skill

[stiff night]

bye guys

[lavish apex]

shade cloaking through is clearly the intended response

[rose forge]

Adios los Amigo

[graceful oyster]

It's just a questionable game design choice is all

[rose forge]

E

[lavish apex]

also the counter means you need to be careful with the punish you go for after it

[graceful oyster]

Build up 95% of the game around not having it which makes that 95% too easy if you have it, and the 5% crazy tough if you don't

[unkempt steeple]

do you guys think silksong will add something like dream bosses and warriors?

[verbal steeple]

honestly like maybe the shade cloak makes some earlier bosses easier but that goes for EVERY upgrade

[lavish apex]

it's honestly the best integration of it in a fight and part of why i love them so much

[lusty grove]

which bosses do yall think are gonna be on the top of Silksong's pantheon?

[rose forge]

We already have dream bosses

[lusty grove]

I hope not, cuz dream warriors sucked

[lavish apex]

probably the old hearts?

and seth

[hexed sonnet]

What is this about?

[rose forge]

anyways imma go lads

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tkCt_7kDkIh-OxT7A28TBQmzsNkpMjELn65YNgUSnSY/https/media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTczYjhmN2Ixc2FnZzVtb3ljZDhub2IzaTVucGtnMDR0aXQ1dnpiNHh4NXIyNnE2aiZlcD12MV9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/LhyhsxtMmossXIg1zB/giphy_s.gif

[verbal steeple]

the old hearts. possibly First sinner or phantom or lace those weavers

[vast glade]

But its line totally optional if you want to use it in most cases. Its just better than the original dash

[unkempt steeple]

dream bosses as in rematches within memories

[lavish apex]

i think lace 2 would fit at the end as well
gms is probably getting an upgrade of some kind

[lusty grove]

Khann, Phantom, and Lace are way too easy to be at the top of the pantheon

[unkempt steeple]

not counting clover dancers

[verbal steeple]

Hey don't hate on my boy khan like that

[lavish apex]

first sinner woukd make sense too

[verbal steeple]

they'll make him harder trust!

[lusty grove]

I love Khann but he's too easy

[verbal steeple]

the clover dancers and cogwork dancers are 90% getting a dual fight

[rose forge]

He lets it crust

[verbal steeple]

gay prince and the 2 cogwork dancers

[graceful oyster]

Inscryption is an insanely good game

[verbal steeple]

1 v 3

[lavish apex]

yeah but like realistically you're getting it 95% of the way through

[lusty grove]

TRIPLE FIGHT WITH 3/4 OST

[graceful oyster]

That's the issue

[lavish apex]

obviously if you route a speedrun to it it can be faster but

[graceful oyster]

Why switch up the fundamentals of the game 95% of the way through

[verbal steeple]

and again. shade cloak making the 95% of the game easy. that's just because its a skill upgrade.

alot of the other upgrades do similar stuff

[hexed sonnet]

What is this about??

[lusty grove]

Hollow Knight is not the best game ever, it has some issues, this is one of them

[lavish apex]

shade cloak

[graceful oyster]

Correct

[verbal steeple]

DDark is the top of my mind

[verbal steeple]

that shit trivalizes a bunch of stuff when u get it

[lavish apex]

i disagree :)

[hexed sonnet]

The best game in the world is half life 2

[graceful oyster]

[graceful oyster]

Close, it's actually Portal 2

[verbal steeple]

if shade cloak gets flack for trivalizing earlier bosses so should some of the other upgrades

[graceful oyster]

Which I mostly genuinely say

[vast glade]

Portal is peak

[verbal steeple]

my man dung defender does not deserve to be trivalized by dive

[hexed sonnet]

That's the best game ever made

[verbal steeple]

such a fun fight but if u have dive. boom. nothing

coughing baby

[lavish apex]

ok genuinely it is my favorite game of all time still but i can sort of see how that would be an issue maybe

[hexed sonnet]

I have it as my fav game in discord but it was between that and half life

[graceful oyster]

There is literally nothing wrong with Portal 2 it is just a perfect game

[vast glade]

Its too damn short

[verbal steeple]

actually this should be put into HK discussion but y'know i don't have anything against thinking shade cloak makes the stuff before it easy.

[graceful oyster]

And yet it still somehow makes an impact

[lusty grove]

I love Hollow Knight, but the healing system, the 3 colors (two of them being gray) used in every area, the boring bosses that make up 75% of the boss fights, the confusing lore, and the questionable progress timeline are pretty big issues

that said, I love the game and would sell my soul to play it for the first time again

[graceful oyster]

If it were any longer it would start to feel repetitive

[vast glade]

Yes, for the ginormous quality

[verbal steeple]

but like. if that's an issue to u. some of the other upgrades also deserve to be called out

[lavish apex]

the healing system is not an issue i don't get that

[hexed sonnet]

Thing about a valve game design is that it's so minimalistic, like every thing the player has their hands on, is exactly what is needed to do anything in the game

Unlike silksong for example which is massive in scale but that scale comes with a bit of fluff

[scarlet karma]

kinda is high key

I enjoy sk more since it’s high risk high reward

and less time to do so

[lavish apex]

i think far less than 75% of the bosses are boring though silksong's are generally better especially when you exclude every dlc fight

[hexed sonnet]

Healing in hollow knight is lowkenuinely ass

[verbal steeple]

HK healing is quite the healing... after doing 9 SK playthroughs i went back and it deff affected me

[hexed sonnet]

I like silksong's more

[lusty grove]

it desincentivates (is that a real word?) the use of spells
between using a spell and keeping the SOUL for a heal, healing is always a better option

[verbal steeple]

honestly i like that in HK healing u can cancel it and be able to dodge.

[graceful oyster]

I don't jive with the healing in HK but that's mostly because the healing augments act like they're the best thing on the planet, so they cost a small fortune to use

[lavish apex]

No???????????

[lusty grove]

the bajjillion Dream Warriors are messing up those statistics

[lavish apex]

genuinely what
the heal/spell tradeoff is so much better than in silksong

[scarlet karma]

no not really tbh

[hexed sonnet]

Never used a spell in hollow knight and got by pretty well

[ashen steeple]

Yay i beat last lace

[lusty grove]

now you're just wrong

[fiery burrow]

With healing costing so much more in silksong I found myself using spells less tbh

[scarlet karma]

same on my first play through

[fiery burrow]

I'm more familiar with HK than SS though so

Neither game does a great job of teaching you how valuable spells are

[lusty grove]

Silksong gives you a whole second spool to use for spells in late game

[verbal steeple]

y'know i kinda agree on that front. i was deff almost never using spells in SK. but i feel like that's just a playstyle choice

[lavish apex]

like objectovely
silksong designs every enemy around the fact that you can heal 3 masks in the air in like a second
that costs 9 hits worth of resource minimum

[pastel plank]

I have returned

[lavish apex]

silk skills take 4 notches

[fiery burrow]

and use it on what? by that point the game is nearly done anyway

[lavish apex]

spells take 3 hits, which can be shortened with spell twister AND soul catcher

[fiery burrow]

Also HK does this too

[verbal steeple]

because while i was almost never using spells. i did force myself in a playthrough to focus more on offensive uses of silk. and didn't feel like i was handicapt'd

[hexed sonnet]

Neither game does a good job teaching the player about the actual gameplay

Not even the pogo is obvious in either game

[lavish apex]

the tradeoff is so much more in favor of healing in silksong

the fact that it's slower in hk also tilts it towards spells

[verbal steeple]

weather or not healing or using spells is better is a bit subjective

[scarlet karma]

yeah but there’s more opportunities to do so and less cost

[lavish apex]

there are not more opportunities

[hexed sonnet]

It legit wouldn't have been too hard to have a proper tutorial saying use key to move left or right, time your pogo this way

[scarlet karma]

not accounting for the knights dps and ark speed

[lusty grove]

Silksong's heal costs relatively less than in HK

[lavish apex]

you can heal in the fucking air in silksong

[slender juniper]

When you Abby's shriek does 80 damage the answer is kinda obvious

[fiery burrow]

If you take less damage you can go more on the offensive because mana is used for both healing and damage I don't think its a bad system

For both games

[scarlet karma]

thing is that the game never truly teaches you about the values of spells

[lusty grove]

HK's 3 mask heal is 3 spells
Silksong's 3 mask heal is 2 spells plus one spare silk

[lusty grove]

when everything is below you, Abyss Shriek is a bit useless

[verbal steeple]

healing in silksong is actually less efficent y'know considering hornet ends up taking more damage

[lavish apex]

i don't think it's a bad system either but i do think saying silksong encourages using silk skills more than hk does spells is a completely baffling take

[slender juniper]

Ddark

[hexed sonnet]

It's a good thing

[pastel plank]

why can't I send pictures :c

[subtle elm]

https://youtu.be/RTXYx7sIpAc this is very peak

[lavish apex]

it is! it's fine! i'm not talking about the quality of the system!

[exotic dome]

its 10x easy to heal

[lavish apex]

i do wish silk skills were 3 notches by default but that's kinda beside the topic of conversation

[graceful oyster]

Blebbles' identity is being attacked rn

[lusty grove]

you need less "mana" to heal more masks in basically an instant in an action that you can do mid air

[verbal steeple]

true true

[lusty grove]

?

[leaden delta]

both???????

[exotic dome]

everything dealing 2dmg is mostly balanced with easier healing imo

[rotund gate]

are the snitchflys haunted

[leaden delta]

tk soul economy is good enough for that

[lavish apex]

also that yeah

[fiery burrow]

I mean I'll also say spells in HK are just a lot more valuable

[lusty grove]

that's what I've been saying every since I bought this damn game

[fiery burrow]

Shade Soul will travel through walls and oneshots basically everything

[leaden delta]

also yea 2 dmg is ok because hornet’s heal is immensely broken

[lavish apex]

yes i agree

[verbal steeple]

yeah both is deff possible and is what i do

[lusty grove]

I don't even notice the 2 dmg all the time cuz healing is so much easier

[graceful oyster]

Shade Soul is insane, nevermind how easily it can multihit

[verbal steeple]

i think they meant that silk skills should cost 3 silk?

[slender juniper]

Bind gives you 3 masks for 1,6 seconds in mid air, 3 mask heal takes ~2,5 secs on the ground

[exotic dome]

yep, i think people complained too much

[lusty grove]

that would make healing as expensive as it is in HK

[lavish apex]

that's my whole point
helaing in silksong is broken and enemies are thoroughly designed around that fact so you will likely need to use far more silk for it than you do in hk

[fiery burrow]

You can also get Shade Soul and DDark relatively early in the game (only relevant on future playthroughs though)

Silksong scaling spell damage with your needle upgrades is a lot better of a system but it does mean spells are way more busted in HK

[lusty grove]

if the entire game is designed around a mechanic, then the mechanic isn't "broken"

[dusty wind]

Sea of sorrow
Sea Of Sorrow
Take the big letters
SOS
SOS = Mayday
Mayday = first of may

[graceful oyster]

Nine Sols parry isn't broken confirmed

[lavish apex]

healing in hollow knight is slow and enemies are designed around that too and there are many ways to make the soul economy easier so spells feel much safer to use

[dusty wind]

And healing in silksong is fast

[lavish apex]

yes i said that

[dusty wind]

And silksong enemies are fast???

[scarlet karma]

Nine sols???

[lavish apex]

interchangeable with really strong

[lusty grove]

I prefer the Silksong system, but that's just my opinion

[fiery burrow]

Which makes hitting spells harder

[lusty grove]

never played it

[scarlet karma]

it’s like sekiro

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/second-sentinel-ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-gif-14144986572548286793

[lusty grove]

"broken" and "really strong" are different things

[rocky jolt]

nine slops

[dusty wind]

I like both healing mechanics

[lusty grove]

on the other hand, Cross Stitch

[slender juniper]

Yes my table is broken

[dusty wind]

Why cant we just have 2 cakes

[lavish apex]

that's fine i just think saying that silksong has a better heal/offense tradeoff with silk skills in just objectively wrong

[scarlet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-i-will-not-interact-gif-9380134741995340701

[lavish apex]

well

[dusty wind]

You just did

[graceful oyster]

That would be blind appreciation for both. It's okay to discuss the flaws.

[rocky jolt]

hollow shit

[lavish apex]

not objectively in the sense that like
you can't prefer what it does mechanically

[verbal steeple]

careful. last time someone hated on nine sols they got BANNED!!!!!

[lusty grove]

Silksong is overall a better-designed game than Hollow Knight (hot take: which isn't a particularly hard thing to be)

[rocky jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1087207488274833550/1223089617390141521/attachment.gif

[lavish apex]

but to say that it makes silk skills feel like a more valuable use of the resource than spells in comparison to healing is just wrong

[graceful oyster]

True so is Mio: Memories in Orbit

[dusty wind]

I love both games but i like hollow knight’s more abstract feeling

[graceful oyster]

(Sorry blebbles)

[fiery burrow]

HK is like red velvet cake(peak) silksong is those disgusting german chocolate cakes(horrid)

[rocky jolt]

nice mio mention

[lusty grove]

I was talking mechanically, but yeah I love HK's feeling

[dusty wind]

Mechanically silksong is better

[graceful oyster]

Hey hey hey German chocolate cake is the bomb and red velvet is gross you watch it

[lusty grove]

if there was a game that played like Silksong but felt like HK it'd be perfect

[fiery burrow]

gonna have ot block you for this take sorry 😔

[graceful oyster]

DNI

[slender juniper]

Silksong sucks

[graceful oyster]

I don't associate with red velvet likers

[hexed sonnet]

Silksong is just a faster snappier more difficult and colourful version of hoow knight

[slender juniper]

Horrible game

[dusty wind]

Red velvet is so peak

[fiery burrow]

I think Silksong has better moment to moment gameplay whereas Hollow Knight has a better map (which I value more)

[rocky jolt]

glad theres a mod that centers the gameplay around parrying with cross stitch

[hexed sonnet]

I like silksong purely because of the moment to moment gameplay

[rocky jolt]

ur supposed to say that reaper sucks

[lusty grove]

Minecraft is just a bigger prettier more complex and more fun version of lego

[verbal steeple]

honestly the more i replay HK the more i like it as equally as silksong

[lavish apex]

if silksong had 3 notch silk skills, reworked red tools, actual consistent boss rewards, and better wishes that were ideally not compulsory to enter act 3 it would be my favorite game of all time

[dusty wind]

I have the xbox pc app version of silksong not the steam version so i cant mod the game 💔

[lusty grove]

wdym by 3 notch silk skill?

[hexed sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/vader-true-true-vader-morgan-true-true-morgan-morgan-freeman-gif-9776310914740838219

[dusty wind]

Red tools in silksong take up so many shell shards i dont even kmow why

[lavish apex]

silk skills cost 4 notches of silk, i would prefer if that was just lowered to 3 by default

[verbal steeple]

i thought i liked silksongs way more different combat and movements more. but the movement of HK also has its own feeling that feels kinda nice

[lavish apex]

like hk1

[slender juniper]

3notch skills you gotta have silk hearts in mind

[lusty grove]

I agree with the 2 last ones, disagree with the first one, and am confused by the second one

[hexed sonnet]

You've made that plenty clear bro

[dusty wind]

Hollow knights movement is much more simple and thats what i like about it
It has like a unique feeling that i cant find in silksong

[lusty grove]

oh you mean strands

[verbal steeple]

the silk hearts take too long to regenerate to make waiting for them a viable option

you'll easily get more silk AND faster silk from just directly hitting the opponent

[graceful oyster]

I'm so glad Morgan Freeman's legacy will live on exclusively through true... after he dies

[slender juniper]

The first one takes 0.8seconds

[lusty grove]

I like Silksong cuz I like games where I can do cool shit

[scarlet karma]

strands?

[lusty grove]

Hollow Knight has less cool shit options

[scarlet karma]

satisfactory

[verbal steeple]

if u spend all ur silk on a skill. u can land a hit faster than it would take for the first silk to regenerate

[rocky jolt]

like killing pilby and sherma

[dusty wind]

I like hollow knight and silksong
Problem solved

[verbal steeple]

this applies EVEN if u have weaverlight btw

[lusty grove]

I meant like doing a backflip but sure

[dusty wind]

I like sharp dart

[slender juniper]

If you land them well enough you'd get both silk