sk-discussion

[copper hedge]

ask away

[runic atlas]

There are minors on the server so ehhh

[low pond]

I BEAT SETH IN FLEA JUGGLE

[harsh yarrow]

a-

[inland ravine]

move on pls

[harsh yarrow]

or b-

[arctic epoch]

[neat remnant]

No

[night blade]

[lucid trellis]

██ the radiance

[fresh oracle]

i dont think theyll explode over a cracking joke + i am unfortunately a minor but i digress

arguing with a mod is suicide anyways so lemme shut up

[midnight jasper]

This one

[copper hedge]

isnt that the old cut stuff?

[inland ravine]

GIRL I THOUGHT THIS WAS REAL FOR A MOMENT

[slender juniper]

Speedruning silksong at 3 am to get flashbanged by spear

Not fun

[harsh yarrow]

yes

[inland ravine]

oh it's cutted

[copper hedge]

yeah

[inland ravine]

dang :(

[neat remnant]

[inland ravine]

the cut one would be perfect

[inland ravine]

:(

[harsh yarrow]

The black "loom zone" effect is leftover on the spire in Mosshome, the addtional silk was leftover on First Sinner, I've just mixed tehm

[midnight jasper]

Guys what game should I try next now that I've beat both Hollow Knight games

Memories in Orbit or Cuphead

[night blade]

i have a question for very long time

is hornet a slave owner?

[copper hedge]

interesting

[midnight jasper]

???

??????????????????????????

[fresh oracle]

no

.

[inland ravine]

the fyck?

*fuck

[night blade]

let me explain

[copper hedge]

cuphead if you want more difficulty and 2d animation styles

[rugged zealot]

Um.. wut?

[fresh oracle]

mods i wouldnt allow that

[harsh yarrow]

yeah, but which version of it

[neat remnant]

MIO is more similar to HK than cuphead
But i would recommend cuphead more, if you want boss rush

[inland ravine]

not sure?

[midnight jasper]

Hm

[copper hedge]

i wanna try out cuphead sometime. its so fun watching it. and i dig in with the art style being the 30s

[midnight jasper]

I can't decide both games r great

[runic atlas]

Go on explain

[night blade]

but let me confirm this are the butterflies inside machines in skong souls of pilgrims?

[slender juniper]

Accidentally yes

[copper hedge]

i remember watching tom and jerry cartoons that was from the 30s so it feels nostalgic

[lucid trellis]

you know that motherfucker in sinners road?

[runic atlas]

Bellheart*

[night blade]

if yes than cogflies should have butterflies for functioning

[runic atlas]

Ah :/

[neat remnant]

Or nine sols

[slender juniper]

Styx

[night blade]

that mean hornet uses same machines as the citadel

[slender juniper]

Is hornets slave which she didn't consent to

[lucid trellis]

yeah that guy

[night blade]

so is hornet a slave owner?

[runic atlas]

No??

[night blade]

oky

[runic atlas]

Nine sols is ass

[copper hedge]

"be my mistress please"

"bro wtf who the fuck are you? why would i want that"

[slender juniper]

Better question how does she make cogflies if it takes soul to make

[neat remnant]

Wtf >:|

[copper hedge]

silk

[runic atlas]

It's true

[copper hedge]

silk from soul

[night blade]

from whos soul?

[slender juniper]

She has one silk heart minimally

[slender juniper]

She can make one silk strand and repair all cogflies time shit

[copper hedge]

she simply had to sacrifice build quality to make more cogflies

thats why it breaks in a few hits

[night blade]

oh i thought they just banged their head against enemies and took contact dmg in return

[copper hedge]

lmao

kinda weird that i dont use cogflies that much now

i like to hit with a needle, then silkshot

[night blade]

i used them for my first play through but only use them now for karmalita third phase

[lucid trellis]

as a dirty arc main i love cogflies

[night blade]

cuz fk that shit

[copper hedge]

still funny to think that they gave hornet a fucking handgun

[night blade]

i love the ground pins

[copper hedge]

"as for her neutral special, she wields a gun"

[night blade]

yea and that the one made by her is the most op

i love silk shot

[midnight jasper]

Ok anyways

Ill go do radiant bosses

[copper hedge]

can deal more damage AND pierce enemies

[midnight jasper]

See you guys later

[copper hedge]

bye gl Dbsa kirby

[night blade]

and super helpful for that pesky void webs

[copper hedge]

welp brb imma wash the dishes rn and finish up a wiki article for a different game that imo needs a desperate non-fandom wiki version

miraheze my beloved

[night blade]

what's the game

[lucid trellis]

i mean, i wouldn't classify any of them as handguns, the cannon is more an SMG, the weaver silkshot is an anti-material rifle, arc silkshot is like a repeating shotgun, and forge silkshot is like a assault rifle or maybe a hand cannon

[copper hedge]

geometry dash. its still hasnt moved to a different wiki

currently helping out out of that need

[night blade]

[copper hedge]

i just volunteered myself basically

[night blade]

damn that's a big game

[night blade]

multiple ppl working

[lucid trellis]

_ _

[night blade]

oh right, i should've known

[copper hedge]

damn.

makes me wish more for a Silksong Warfare mod that adds more Pharloom styled artillery

[night blade]

hornet handles weapons better than current govs😭

[copper hedge]

Hornet can singlehandedly take down a whole army

[night blade]

well i agree

[tight meadow]

And she can beat vessels

Only the regular old ones tho

[night blade]

but zote can take out whole continents

[copper hedge]

Hornet on her way to parry a fucking nuke

Cross Stitch silk skill

[night blade]

nah, she'll say git good and raw dog through shit

[tight meadow]

Guys I beat moon lord in terraria :D

[copper hedge]

GGs

what did you get as loot?

meowmere?

or a meow cart?

[icy crow]

"Fun police"

Mf that's called common sense

[copper hedge]

yay

meow meow meow meow

[tight meadow]

Bro she is not beating the shade lord or the HK

[night blade]

oh right

[copper hedge]

hornet is probably still scared about the Void

[tight meadow]

The knight canonically beats hornet

[tight meadow]

She knows it's power

[copper hedge]

even after Sister of the Void

[lucid trellis]

i mean, she could beat THK outside of the black egg, PV no chance

[night blade]

i thought you were talking about ship vessels since we were talking about army and stuff mb bad

[copper hedge]

i wonder how's THK doin while Hornet was away at Pharloom

[lucid trellis]

it wouldn't be a fucking neg diff but theoretically she could

[earnest drift]

nah hornet would beat PV easy

[tight meadow]

Okay fair, but she's not freeing all the dreamers tbh

[lucid trellis]

depends kn the ending

[earnest drift]

what does pure vessel have

[copper hedge]

but lets say the godhome endings

[tight meadow]

I don't know if hornet would kill her mother, she might

But wait she doesn't have dream nail so she can't even free them

[night blade]

his attacks seems same as first sinner

[icy crow]

Technically her mother is already dead

[slender juniper]

My hornets kinda motherless

[earnest drift]

rune rage never hits anyone

[tight meadow]

😭

[copper hedge]

just eternally sleeping and dreaming

[lucid trellis]

i mean, if the fight was in the black egg shes losing

[earnest drift]

yes i think pure vessel is overrated and hornet could take them easily

[icy crow]

No, she's gone forever

Once you kill her in her dream her corpse dissipates

[tight meadow]

No she's cooked

[night blade]

i agree couldve gotten something better, a weaver crest. it'd be so cool to have first sinner crest

[earnest drift]

what is pure vessel going to do against 16 curvesickles to the chest

[tight meadow]

Pure vessel beats hornet easily. He's literally the perfect vessel.

Hornet doesn't have those in hk

[earnest drift]

it's not that strong

[lucid trellis]

"That space is built to sustain your likes. Its bindings would drain me were I to join."

[night blade]

you should take current hornet

[tight meadow]

brother

[earnest drift]

all that training and loses to a completely untrained vessel

[tight meadow]

No but the HK is dead now

[tight meadow]

The shade lord*

[earnest drift]

also i think beating lost lace while in the void itself is more impressive than beating pure vessel

[night blade]

knight isn't completely untrained

he's lived as long as pv

[earnest drift]

only needed for P5

[night blade]

and survived without pale king

[tight meadow]

That doesn't change it, he is the shade lord

[earnest drift]

would everbloom do anything to pure vessel

[tight meadow]

No

[night blade]

but lost lace gameplay wise isn't harder than pv

[tight meadow]

It doesn't affect them (remember the knight carried one and it didn't hurt him)

[earnest drift]

gameplaywise pure vessel has less hp than lost lace and spends way too much time standing still
hornet no diffs

[night blade]

it hurts void or does it keep them away?

[tight meadow]

Keep it away

[earnest drift]

pure vessel just doesn't have anything that makes them special enough to put them above hornet
hornet already killed god and a being who was torturing god

[night blade]

well the moment tech and tools need to be in the equation

you can't just say they have high hp = harder

[tight meadow]

bro if we take hornet at peak value of course she'd beat him

[jagged ledge]

Imma be real, I think silksongs final boss was easier than hollow knight final boss, I beat it rn on my fourth try i think

[earnest drift]

is that not what we're talking about

[earnest drift]

lost lace is so fun

[night blade]

it's eaiser than nkg

[tight meadow]

If she had the GMS crest she'd win

[night blade]

silksong is easier game

[earnest drift]

i also just find lost lace's attacks to be harder to dodge

[lucid trellis]

are we talking about silksong hornet or hollow knight hornet

[jagged ledge]

I was talking about gms but yeah lace is fun

[earnest drift]

mostly because of the void projectiles from the sky

the only rng pure vessel has is rune rage and that's so easy to dodge and leaves pv so open to be attacked

[night blade]

vaild form your pov

[jagged ledge]

You mean hornet or silksong?

[lucid trellis]

skong hornet beats PV, HK hornet gets killed

[earnest drift]

i agree

[tight meadow]

I feel like if it doesn't affect the knight when he uses spells it won't affect the PV

[earnest drift]

wdym

[tight meadow]

Like during the quest in hk he has it and it doesn't affect him

[earnest drift]

another thing is that lost lace uses void much, much more than pure vessel does
and hornet beat ll so i think she can beat pv

[lucid trellis]

like i said, depends in the hornet, plus im not saying itll be a stomp win, hornet will be limping to the finish line

[earnest drift]

hornet beats pv high-extreme diff

[night blade]

fair, take hornet 2nd fight or lost vessel dream fight for gms ofc lost lace is finnal boss so i won't compare them to her

[tight meadow]

Skong hornet could beat PV

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[night blade]

he beats everyone

the goat

[earnest drift]

she’s way faster, pv couldn’t land a hit

[night blade]

skill wise hornet has eclisped any hk charcter

[lucid trellis]

yeah

[earnest drift]

she’s faster than the knight

being more fragile doesn’t mean anything if your opponent can’t hit you anyway

[night blade]

he's big so yea it'll be hard for him

[tight meadow]

That doesn't matter bro 😭

[lucid trellis]

-# it*

[night blade]

yet couldn't defeat knight

knight is slower and smaller

[earnest drift]

no she can’t

[tight meadow]

guys how do you not get the knight is canonically the strongest being in the games

[earnest drift]

last judge is slow too

[night blade]

because of the chain that can move

[lucid trellis]

oh it is

[earnest drift]

pure vessel just isn’t special enough to beat hornet
there’s nothing that sets them apart from anyone else hornet has fought

[lucid trellis]

what are we arguing about at this point

[bitter briar]

Is that John limbus

Dawg get back to ur company

[strange knot]

Nine minutes ahead and there is like 30 more minutes of timesave

[night blade]

ik that , i didnot say he isn't .

[lucid trellis]

again, HK hornet gets stomped, Skong hornet is crawlinf across the finish line

[night blade]

we are talking about sk hornet

[bitter briar]

Pure vessel has void hornet is beyond cooked

[earnest drift]

hornet killed like 50 void creatures in silksong and dozens more in hollow knight

[night blade]

just call ppl a glazer and move on

[arctic epoch]

gameplay-wise

HK Hornet get slammed
SK Hornet slams

[bitter briar]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-geto-suguru-gif-8854911802965319870

[placid citrus]

hornet literally fights a whole voidified kingdom bro some void tentacles ain't doing nothing

[earnest drift]

pure vessel is dying like the Greenpath vessel

[bitter briar]

I don’t think u guys comprehend the potential of CONCENTRATED void

The void in pharloom is weakened by gms strings

[earnest drift]

fucking nosk killed concentrated void

[bitter briar]

And it’s out of control
And whack

[placid citrus]

they ain't bro

[bitter briar]

Pure vessel was trained to harness void

[earnest drift]

lost lace is better at using void than pure vessel lmao

[bitter briar]

Pure vessels void is beyond any seen in silksong

[placid citrus]

they ain't made of pure void bro what r u yappin abt

[earnest drift]

May I remind you that pure vessel only has one void attack that they only use when nearing defeat

[bitter briar]

DOES BORN OF GOD AND VOID MEAN NOTHING TO U

[earnest drift]

pure vessel is not good at using void

[placid citrus]

that's not pure void broski

[bitter briar]

YES IT FUCKING IS

[night blade]

he has less void attacks than lace tho

[placid citrus]

define pure bro

[bitter briar]

PURE VESSEL WAS MADR FROM THE VOID IN THR ABYSS

THAT IS PURE VOID

[earnest drift]

pure vessel doesn’t know how to use void it relies almost entirely on soul and nail

all it can do is unleash simple void tendrils

[placid citrus]

no white lady and pk did the deed and threw their eggs with their children down there

[night blade]

are you black?

[bitter briar]

NO RESTRAINTS OR ARTIFICIAL STUFF TO ENHANCE IT JUST PURE VOID

[runic atlas]

I'm just

[bitter briar]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-geto-suguru-gif-8854911802965319870

[runic atlas]

So tired man

[night blade]

[hexed lichen]

The only form of Hornet I could see beating PV is ||Weaverqueen||Hornet

[placid citrus]

it's literally the lore idk what to tell u

[earnest drift]

hornet beat lost lace
if she has Everbloom pure vessel’s void isn’t going to do anything
especially with how bad they are at using the void

[bitter briar]

Ur missing the crucial part where they fuse the vessels with void and the ones that don’t survive get thrown into the abyss

Silksong fans can’t read

[earnest drift]

being born of void doesn’t mean anything if they can’t use it in combat properly

[bitter briar]

The knight:

[placid citrus]

that's still not pure void bro

[bitter briar]

Omfg just give it up atp

They fused the vessels with void FROM THE ABYSS

[earnest drift]

the knight can use void well
pure vessel is bad at using void

[bitter briar]

What else do I need to tell you

[night blade]

he's taking pure void as in the void form that killed raidance

[runic atlas]

What the hell does pure void mean gang

[placid citrus]

bro u clearly just saying stuff

[bitter briar]

PURE VESSEL WAS THE ONE WHO OPENED THE RADIANCE’S EYE TO KILL HER

[night blade]

idk i am figuring both sides

[placid citrus]

fr

[bitter briar]

ATP U DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IR SAUING

[runic atlas]

Low-key everyone calm the hell down

[night blade]

don't yell at me gng i ain't the one arguing with you

[runic atlas]

WHO talked to you cuh 🥀

[night blade]

wrong reply smh

[runic atlas]

Oh alr mb gang

[night blade]

w.d

[runic atlas]

Gaster

[night blade]

this one

[bitter briar]

Ts conversation half baked like rin omg

[runic atlas]

What the hell does pure void even mean

What are y'all legitimately on

[night blade]

[night blade]

zaza

[placid citrus]

bro u jus saying "pure void" and quoting the lines that clearly state the vessels are more than just void

[bitter briar]

What even is a pure void

[night blade]

atleast the chat is more fun

[bitter briar]

All void is pure if it comes from the abyss

[runic atlas]

There's no reason to believe void by itself is stronger than void with vessels

[runic atlas]

That's the only place void comes from

[earnest drift]

I think the reason pure vessel can’t use the void well is because their parents didn’t understand the void and so couldn’t train them to use it, and they were afraid of the void so they encouraged pv to suppress it

[placid citrus]

that doesn't mean that things that utilise it or contain it are also pure void

[bitter briar]

EXACTLY SO HOW CAN SOME VOID BE NOT PURE?

[runic atlas]

What's all this about PV not being able to use the void well

[placid citrus]

that's like me saying i'm pure water cuz i have water that's pure in me

[runic atlas]

Where are you getting it from

[strange knot]

Pv can’t use void well cuz they have skill issue frfr

[earnest drift]

they only have one void attack that’s only used when near death, and it’s the simplest, most baseline void attack

while the knight can mix it with soul and fire it out like nobody’s business

[night blade]

if a galss of water contains water does that change the water

[runic atlas]

Okay?? That doesn't mean jackshit??

The knight can die from touching a tiktik

[bitter briar]

What is ur argument here ur saying that vessels aren’t pure void just because they aren’t completely void? That isn’t true being half god enhances the void it’s like Gojo with limitless and six eyes. Being half
God doesn’t make you any less void

[earnest drift]

why not

[runic atlas]

That's just gameplay

[placid citrus]

did i say the void wasn't pure?????

[runic atlas]

Don't use gameplay to justify lore

[earnest drift]

I just said pure vessel doesn’t use void much in combat
is that not correct

[placid citrus]

PURE void means you're entirely void bro

[night blade]

what are yall even arguing about then😭

[tight meadow]

Yeah they ain't purely void they have a shell

[runic atlas]

TK was also using Souls from Shamans to fuse its own Void with the Spells so that's already a reason why, TK has no Void attacks if not for stealing from Shamans

[bitter briar]

They still are pure void they have a shade they just also have parts from pale king that give them other abilities

[runic atlas]

You said it was an indication of PV being bad at controlling its own Void

Which is incorrect

[earnest drift]

why

[tight meadow]

He's just not as good as the knight

[runic atlas]

Because gameplay does not equal lore

[tight meadow]

It kinda does

[earnest drift]

is it really gameplay

[runic atlas]

It really does not

[bitter briar]

Ah yes so a tiktik beats the knight

[earnest drift]

I just listed out their void attacks

[placid citrus]

bro

[bitter briar]

Totally lore accurate

[runic atlas]

Believe it or not, in real life people don't have movesets

[placid citrus]

if u die to it then it is

[neat remnant]

Yes it does

Screen goes black when hornet dies, therefore hornet is void

[runic atlas]

Ture

[earnest drift]

I’m so confused how is that relevant

[bitter briar]

[runic atlas]

Because the only reason PV has only 1 void attack is due to gameplay balance rather than lore

[night blade]

we have a smart guy here

[bitter briar]

I don’t even know what to say anymore

[earnest drift]

does the game ever say pure vessel is good at using void in combat

[earnest drift]

how do you know this

[night blade]

[runic atlas]

For all we know PV didn't steal soul from shamans so it is actually better than TK at using void in combat

[runic atlas]

Does it ever say it's bad???

[earnest drift]

yes

[runic atlas]

Common sense??

[runic atlas]

Except it doesn't

[tranquil aurora]

Silksong is bad

[runic atlas]

God I hate this channel

[earnest drift]

as I said pure vessel is shown to only have one void attack compared to the knight’s multitude

[placid citrus]

true bro

[tranquil aurora]

we hate this channel cuz we hate silksong

[bitter briar]

We hate this channel cause of the agenda

[tranquil aurora]

FOREVER

[runic atlas]

Why are you incapable of reading

[earnest drift]

the knight is an annoying Mary sue and hornet is well written

[placid citrus]

where's my crest discourse bro

[night blade]

why do you hate sk

[placid citrus]

this lore talk is ass

[earnest drift]

what’s there to read

[runic atlas]

The Knight only has 3 void attacks all of which it only has due to stealing Souls from Shamans

[night blade]

nahhhh

[earnest drift]

yes

[runic atlas]

PV didn't do that shit and still has a Void attack

[earnest drift]

yes

[tranquil aurora]

bcuz they tried to hard, the build up hype for SS was way too much for how the game actually is

[bitter briar]

“Hornet is well written” even though she does the same thing as the knight but she actually talks a little bit

[night blade]

not all the first one was given

[placid citrus]

wait bro's fr

[runic atlas]

If I steal a gun from an arms dealer does that make me a better arms manufacturer than them

[tranquil aurora]

ik im all knowing

[runic atlas]

That wasn't void

[earnest drift]

at least she doesn’t go through a total character assassination in godhome

[earnest drift]

no

[tight meadow]

Wild claim

[night blade]

atleast knight didn't tease green prince in his own mind lol

[bitter briar]

Godhome is literally a dream, nothing there is even real

[night blade]

oh right it was normal one

[runic atlas]

So why's the Knight better at using void in combat if its ass stole all the shit it uses from Shamans

[tranquil aurora]

SILKSONG IS BAD

[night blade]

knight had a character assassination?

[earnest drift]

because in the end it has more effective void attacks than pure vessel, regardless of how they were obtained

[bitter briar]

Go play Kirby

[placid citrus]

ye that's why the infection disappears after u slay abs rad cuz nothing there is real

[tight meadow]

Knight has no thoughts or feelings so he can't really think of being an asshole

[tranquil aurora]

silksong is bad

[night blade]

rage bait

[earnest drift]

yeah they suddenly became addicted to power and ate Godseeker for no reason

[runic atlas]

I'm gonna

[bitter briar]

The infection didn’t disappear pure vessel just got freed what does that even like

[tranquil aurora]

SILKSONG = NOT GOOD

[runic atlas]

What's the point

[tight meadow]

L ragebait 🥱

[bitter briar]

Omg silksong fans can’t read

[placid citrus]

ggs

[tranquil aurora]

W RAGEBAIT

[earnest drift]

I like that lost lace is actually well written and fun to fight, unlike hollow knight’s final boss

[bitter briar]

Dawg u might have the reading comprehension curse on u

[night blade]

lace is annoying tho

her laugh is very annoying imo

[placid citrus]

what r you reading in a 5 second cutscene of the infection fading out...........

[earnest drift]

I love her laugh and bratty attitude

the only voicelines I find annoying are quirrel’s

[bitter briar]

Radiance is the only exception cause she basically lives in dreams ok

[icy crow]

6

[tight meadow]

Yeah that's just lace

[placid citrus]

sure bro

[night blade]

good for you

[bitter briar]

D1 ragebait ong

[earnest drift]

hollow knight really sacrificed good writing for hype moments and aura in the ending

[icy crow]

5

[bitter briar]

If ur gonna spend ur free time hating go somewhere else bro

[placid citrus]

fr

[earnest drift]

even moreso with godhome

[placid citrus]

like the hype for zango was so real ngl

[tight meadow]

I hate the guy who BM falls on

[night blade]

yea just very annoying and the 3 times fight where the two fight doesn't change much doesn't help

[earnest drift]

like what reason do I have to fight this giant moth that came out of nowhere
I didn’t know who she was, what she was doing, and there wasn’t anyone to save anyway

[night blade]

you need some hype for advertisement

[placid citrus]

now we just gotta stop talking abt silksong and #sk-discussion is healed

[bitter briar]

Why r we hating on hk in the sk discussion

[earnest drift]

idc if my final boss has negative aura I prefer a compelling final boss

[short kiln]

Cus it's deserved

[night blade]

both are peak

[icy crow]

Because 6

[placid citrus]

that's what we do around here bro

[night blade]

sk final boss had thirst trap if we go by your logic

[icy crow]

Uhh what

[placid citrus]

how did u come to that conclusion bro

[tranquil aurora]

SK < HK

[night blade]

gms

[icy crow]

Ah yes, if a boss has curves it is immediately "attractive"

Wonderful fucking logic in this community

[night blade]

so like both fandoms hate each other here, is that what's going on here

[placid citrus]

that's crazy bro

[bitter briar]

Gms is like Gabriel Ultrakill but women and white

[earnest drift]

hollow knight and silksong each have their own strengths
for example silksong has better music, art, animation, combat, exploration, bosses, characters, story and lore
while hollow knight has better dream nail, godhome, being nostalgic to replay and simpler gameplay

[fluid granite]

hey yall i have a realy weird bug in silksong it makes my game like 3 times faster where can i report this bug?

[night blade]

i did not say that, lace said that hk final boss was just aura farm , i was going by there logic

[crude geyser]

Hollow knight has a better final boss

[earnest drift]

that’s weird

[crude geyser]

And the exploration is less obnoxious

[bitter briar]

So silksong had better everything and hk is mediocre

[icy crow]

You could have said anything else other than "thrist trap" buddy

[night blade]

i don't see bugs as attractive , it was news to me that ppl said gms was hot

[crude geyser]

But yeah silksong is better in practically every single aspect

[earnest drift]

no I said hollow knight is better at having a dream nail

[night blade]

why? i said what i see on internet

[crude geyser]

And finally healing is viable in late game

[bitter briar]

Silksong had needolin

[night blade]

that's ass

[icy crow]

Be the better man and say something else that counters the argument

Don't go the way of simps lmfao

[placid citrus]

literally no one said that here

[earnest drift]

yes but it’s not as good as dream nail

[night blade]

what's the argument? hk final boss just had "aura " that's a shallow argument that desevers a shallow answer

[fresh oracle]

needolin is easier to use but less effective

[crude geyser]

Needolin is unusable in fights wtf are you on

[night blade]

they do, just watch challenge runs bruh

[icy crow]

Literally ANYTHING but "thrist trap"

[earnest drift]

my point is that while radiance has a great aura farming introduction and reveal, her gameplay and writing is poor

[night blade]

and what would be litterally anything?

[placid citrus]

approaching an argument in bad faith fr

[earnest drift]

lost lace has less aura but is much better in those two aspects

[icy crow]

Think out of the box and you'll find out

[fresh oracle]

hk and sk are games where the lore and writing is so critically vague that people are gaslighted into believing its s tier writing

[night blade]

it's good for a new series , first steps yk

[icy crow]

Using "thrist trap" would just make you look weird entirely

[bitter briar]

Spit your shit Toji

[night blade]

aura farming is out of the box wow

[bitter briar]

Fnaf lore makes more sense than hk lore

[icy crow]

I wasn't saying it is

[earnest drift]

that’s fair
I think that silksong succeeded where hollow knight failed in that regard

[icy crow]

Holy text interpretation twin

[night blade]

it's the souls formula , write a lore so vauge ppl give more attention

[tight meadow]

Could lace beat phantom

[exotic cedar]

Are we fighting

[placid citrus]

"vague" and everything is spelled out for you

[earnest drift]

not in a quadrillion years

[tight meadow]

What about if she was... Lost

[earnest drift]

still never

[tight meadow]

she'd obviously win that

[earnest drift]

phantom is the most powerful character in the series

[tight meadow]

Knight

[exotic cedar]

Phantom saved me from a building that was on fire

[placid citrus]

uhhh why is she called lost lace?? just find her

[earnest drift]

the knight can’t sing or play music

and you need music to navigate the mist

[exotic cedar]

Knight has no change, not even shade lord

[night blade]

well mist is an optional area isn't it>

[exotic cedar]

Shit get all the vessels and then let them attack phantom, phantom will kill them all like doomslayer

[earnest drift]

lace can sing but by the time she gets to phantom she’ll be tired from singing and phantom will have to take her to her room for a nap

[fresh oracle]

brother hk lore is so vague that people are still confused to this day and the game has been out for 9 years

[earnest drift]

you need to go through mist to get to phantom

so any character that can’t play music gets no diffed

[tight meadow]

No

[fresh oracle]

technically you can just get really really lucky

[night blade]

wait seems like i missed some context in the chat my bad

[tight meadow]

If they can survive the traps and ghosts they could make it out

[placid citrus]

ppl ain't confused there's just no info on like some tiny ass details or it's just a cliff hanger

[tight meadow]

Gurr the outcast could prolly get out

[earnest drift]

needolin is still needed even if you don’t play it

[earnest drift]

but he’s bad at singing

[tight meadow]

Karmelitta could escape

[earnest drift]

she might but would she still be in condition to fight when she gets to phantom

[tight meadow]

And choir guys too

[placid citrus]

this is true, it's hardcoded into the game that you'll be unable to reach exhaust organ without first getting the needolin

[tight meadow]

That's for gameplay reasons

There's plenty of dead bugs at the start

[earnest drift]

so the only characters that can beat phantom are hornet, skarrsinger karmelita, potentially Shakra but she’ll probably die

[tight meadow]

Shakra could do it

[icy crow]

Big man Sherma:

[placid citrus]

yeah it's also for gameplay reasons why you're able to rng through it and get lucky

[tight meadow]

And I believe in sherm

[slender juniper]

And get impaled on a spike in far fields

[earnest drift]

he can sing but he can’t fight

[tight meadow]

It's more could they survive and move around to escape with luck

[icy crow]

Phantom would probably just ignore his ass since he can't fight at all

[tight meadow]

He doesn't need to

Music stuns the enemies

And his stun is better than hornets

[earnest drift]

I wish to transport every musical character to exhaust organ so they can sing along to phantom’s music

[exotic cedar]

Phantom WOULD kill sherma because shermas annoying singing would disturb their epic organ music

[placid citrus]

cuz it's a lot more complex to make the exit appear when you play the needolin to the flies instead of just having it choose the exit as you enter the room and have the flies lead u there

[icy crow]

Spider Strings should have been Sherma Strings

[tight meadow]

Sherma wouldn't fight phsntom

[earnest drift]

[exotic cedar]

SHUT up sherma

[tight meadow]

Sherma wouldjust walk by

[icy crow]

That's in an alternative universe where Phantom finds joy murdering children

[fresh oracle]

Sherma perception blitzes that bum

[tight meadow]

Alternate?

[earnest drift]

so phantom and lace swap roles

[slender juniper]

Sherma is a grown ass man

[earnest drift]

actually lace mostly kills adults

[icy crow]

Tell Lace she's a grown ass woman then

[earnest drift]

it’s hornet who kills children

[tight meadow]

Sherma passed last judge vro 😭

[slender juniper]

She's too mommy issued to accept that

[icy crow]

Yes

[fresh oracle]

unironically its easier to prove that sherma is an adult than to prove lace is an adult

[slender juniper]

Both are

[tight meadow]

Lace doesn't really age, she dissentigrates

[slender juniper]

Lace isn't a child ,shes not even a fucking human

The concept of age just doesn't exist to silken creatures

[placid citrus]

lace:

[tight meadow]

Hornet matures

Her voice deepened

[exotic cedar]

She looks lost

[slender juniper]

Lace as well but she chooses to act like a child because she's mommy issued and depressed

That's her lore basically

[placid citrus]

ikr

[slender juniper]

HK: daddy issues
Sk:mommy issues

[tight meadow]

Living the life as hornet would be hell. Your parents both died, you have to kill your siblings to survive, and you didn't even get to see FLUFFY RADIANCE

[placid citrus]

bro we don't talk abt that around here

[earnest drift]

do you think she was a child in hollow knight

[tight meadow]

People already have

[tight meadow]

Bro have you not beaten sk

[fresh oracle]

I think people who think Sherma is a child look at his character at a surface level and just see him as a "innocent child that just sings 24/7" when he's honestly a lot more than that (theres a video explaining it i cant find it)

[slender juniper]

Hornet doesn't ,her VA does

[tight meadow]

We see she grows

[earnest drift]

I know

I think hornet was a child during hollow knight but it’s up for interpretation

[slender juniper]

Yeah but after higher beings pass childhood they just don't age

[fresh oracle]

uh oh

[tight meadow]

I say teenager

[fresh oracle]

actually lemme shut up the mods might drag me to hell

[slender juniper]

I'm crine

[placid citrus]

what's wrong with shipping women bro

[fresh oracle]

yeah we're in 2026 man

[slender juniper]

[tight meadow]

People ship a lot of lesbian ships in sk

Shakra, hornet, lace

[earnest drift]

Shakra x second sentinel

[slender juniper]

The game has 3 confirmed gay relationship

[tight meadow]

Hornet has confirmed mated

[tight meadow]

True

[slender juniper]

Gay and lesbian

[placid citrus]

nah nah the bad part is we just don't ship anyone with lace specifically, their gender has nothing to do with it

[cedar bluff]

bro ofc i open chat to a shipping discourse

[light swan]

bugs can have relationships too

[tight meadow]

lol

[tight meadow]

Yeah like map people in hk

[slender juniper]

Ze'mer and mantis daughter, the artist and nailsmith,green gays

[fresh oracle]

this aint nothing

[light swan]

bugs literally have canonical relationships

[slender juniper]

Fucking cornifer has a wife

[placid citrus]

this chat is in a perpetual loop bro

[cedar bluff]

yea but fanon ones suck

[tight meadow]

Idk how tf bro.pulled anything

[slender juniper]

Cuz shits good

[fresh oracle]

god gave us the freedom to do that

[light swan]

the same reason why peole ship at all

[tight meadow]

Bro looks like a reddit mod

[slender juniper]

His Hum pulls everyone in

[tight meadow]

lol

[cedar bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1433124363485581363/aaj6u8.gif

[placid citrus]

what u got against yuri bro

[light swan]

theyre bugs how would you know

[tight meadow]

Baby Shaws need confirmation

[slender juniper]

Mating is just a word for a relationship,weavers can't have children or atleast hardly

[tight meadow]

Silksong it all about motherhood why isn't hornet mating in it

[marsh ibex]

😐

can y’all be normal

[tight meadow]

Instead she slaps peopel

[slender juniper]

No

[fresh oracle]

this is the peak of silksong discussions

[light swan]

reaper crest is the best crest

[slender juniper]

Idk somebody came here and said bug Yuri is bad type shit

[tight meadow]

Ohhh @slender juniper

[placid citrus]

it happens every day it's annoying

[tight meadow]

why

[slender juniper]

I will not allow to be baited

[light swan]

what if they just find comfort in eachorher and enjoy the presence

[cedar bluff]

no

[fresh oracle]

dude this reminds me of the mha fandom

but like less toxic

[slender juniper]

Yeah kissing my homies is not gay type shit

[slender juniper]

Not watching your slop reaper plays that's 50% clawline spam

[light swan]

ragebaited

[cedar bluff]

reaper uppercut dash attack is goated

[night blade]

toxic in the sense?

[light swan]

also i only use like 5 clawlines

[fresh oracle]

mha fandom would dox you if you disagreed with their ship

the silksong fandom is honestly really chill

[slender juniper]

Thank God MHA is mid

[cedar bluff]

bruh

[night blade]

yea... i just saw how chill they are(joking)

[fresh oracle]

this aint nuthin

[night blade]

that's like every discord reddit fandom

[coarse leaf]

HOW DO I DO KARMELITA OH MY GOD

[placid citrus]

groal IS a good bossfight

[night blade]

dodge

[fresh oracle]

it gets worse before it gets better

[stable mica]

i feel so guilty broooo

[slender juniper]

Don't get hit ,do lots of hits

[coarse leaf]

i cant even get to her phase 2

[stable mica]

cracking HK and Silkshaw

[night blade]

git good

[placid citrus]

try silking ur song

[cedar bluff]

👎

[storm basin]

block parry dodge

[night blade]

what attach is most annoying to you?

use cross stich

[fresh oracle]

once you see her about to attack dash away from her

memorize her attacks and dodge when needed, dodging>attackinf

[cedar bluff]

fun fact: guess the fun fact

[fresh oracle]

also DONT USE REAPER CREST

[slender juniper]

TC realistically doesn't care , supporting their game through mouth is enough

[storm basin]

memorize
mesmerize
mesmerizer

[midnight jasper]

No

[night blade]

mesmer

[cedar bluff]

reaper sucks late game

thats it

[tight meadow]

✅✅✅✅✅

[fresh oracle]

yes

[stable mica]

once i got a bank account and enough money i will buy their games, every single one even if i dont play it

[night blade]

i found new reaper hate lol

[cedar bluff]

yesn't

[coarse leaf]

THIS IS FUCKING RIGGED

[placid citrus]

bro hasn't seen circlet tech

[fresh oracle]

literally wanderer crest is better

[coarse leaf]

im never taking off hunters crest btw

[midnight jasper]

Reaper is a really good crest for platforming and people that are used to heavy attacks

[storm basin]

reaper only no needle upgrades no tools no silk skills vs lost lace who wins

[midnight jasper]

It's incredible for early game but it loses its spot late game

[night blade]

what tools you using?

[cedar bluff]

actually realistically reaper would win if u were skilled enough but i suck

[midnight jasper]

However though it's still good

[fresh oracle]

it has an extermely weird front attack and wanderer crest is just way better

[coarse leaf]

sk help rq

[placid citrus]

WHY r u still on that bro

[fresh oracle]

longclaw w/ wanderer crest = success

[stable mica]

no its the player, reaper sucks

[storm basin]

Realistically speaking isnt there like 0 genuine proof hornet is lesbian 🤔

[slender juniper]

Why are you even in discord if you're homophobic

[midnight jasper]

Wanderer is good sure but Reaper is also good

[cedar bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-memes-discord-meme-this-channel-fucking-sucks-danny-devito-gif-13763999073670729814

[lucid trellis]

we are talking about bugs here

[slender juniper]

Those two words like

Rule each other other

[stable mica]

good at being the worst

[fresh oracle]

wanderer crest solves every issue in the game

[night blade]

ngl i used wanderer my firs playthrough cuz hk , but after i played game with the hunter , it felt like every platforming was more catered towards hunter

[stable mica]

i see no gud of it

[night blade]

hunter is good too

[slender juniper]

The concept of reaper isn't bad it's just not executed well

[stable mica]

ye its more spaced out even in early game

[weak depot]

why do ppl complain about savage beastfly 2

[slender juniper]

Actually 0%

[lucid trellis]

mate doesn't mean breed

[weak depot]

I genuinely didn't struggle with it at all

[night blade]

cuz its ass?

[light swan]

genuinely youre the only one dragging this on rn

[modest stirrup]

The fire minions

[stable mica]

0.5 cd is ass, atleast shaman have spells to make up for it

[weak depot]

The humble threadstorm:

[light swan]

reaper can still use success

[slender juniper]

Google the definition

[light swan]

it’s worse than the others but it can still have success

[coarse leaf]

karmelita vro

[cedar bluff]

no you should google google

[light swan]

so idk why people think that if you use reaper you can’t win at all

[fresh oracle]

The reason I don't use hunter crest is cause of its down pogo.

It isn't even that hard, but I have to make a conscious effort to make a down pogo (and you're guaranteed to get hit if you try to down pogo near the thing you're hitting), and its far easier to use wanderer crest

wanderer range isn't even that bad

[storm basin]

It doesnt actually

[night blade]

and the hit box or unpredictible moment , these beast types of boss in souls likes and hks are bane of my existance fk them

[light swan]

wanderers range is the same as hunters btw

[cedar bluff]

how do i make this chat a better place

[fresh oracle]

proof or cap

[night blade]

log off

[stable mica]

longer by 6 pixels

[slender juniper]

Get all the homophobes out

[storm basin]

wanderers crest is just glorified quicknail

[stable mica]

but less area coverage

[weak depot]

Leave this chatroom it's ass go to #hk-discussion

[undone gate]

Only the horizontal range is around the same

[placid citrus]

it's actually longer

[stable mica]

in silkshaw

[night blade]

the down slam help hunter tho

i am so used to it now

[fresh oracle]

What The Fuck

[stable mica]

what down slam???

[fresh oracle]

that doesnt seem intentional

[light swan]

which is why wanderer is fucking stupid

[night blade]

wanderer feels weird even tho i love wandere

[stable mica]

there's no such thing called down slam

[light swan]

why does a crest get to be so spoiled

i still love wanderer but i dont like how spoiled it is

[placid citrus]

it is

[weak depot]

So we'll have to expell hornet from her own game

[light swan]

every other crest works for its success except wanderer

[cedar bluff]

bro #hk-discussion is more dead and boring

[night blade]

hornet goes down faster using down slash in hunter

[tight meadow]

Wanderer is no skill and you cannot change my mind

[fresh oracle]

its the mary sue of crest

[weak depot]

Just linger in there for a bit and it'll be fun

[placid citrus]

bro just wants to argue

[undone gate]

I just find Wanderer to be too boring

[stable mica]

ITS A POGO, and for a fact, she does not slam her needle, its a thrust

[light swan]

the difference between high skill and low skill wanderer is not much

[tight meadow]

Hunter advantage over wanderers is the charge hit and pogo

[cedar bluff]

i think bro has a grudge against me

[stable mica]

calling hunter's pogo a downslam disgust me

[cedar bluff]

ill try again

[night blade]

oky, and it's better than wanderer

[fresh oracle]

heavy disagree on the pogo

[placid citrus]

idk who u r bro

[tight meadow]

Bro the difference is that some people get more crits and some get less

[fresh oracle]

wanderer crest has the best pogo

[light swan]

sorry but it has one of the worst

[fresh oracle]

even better than reaper since its instant

[stable mica]

prob unless for consistency

[tight meadow]

Bro all you need is an ounce of skill

[fresh oracle]

bait

[light swan]

strength wise

[night blade]

for what?

[night blade]

it is consistence

[fresh oracle]

hunter pogo isnt hard but #sk-discussion message

[undone gate]

It's range is so short

[slender juniper]

Okay but hunter pogo is peak

[light swan]

hunters crest is the best for movement obviously but it also has really good combo potential

[stable mica]

less than wanderers

[placid citrus]

hhunter pogo got i frames tho

[tight meadow]

Yeah ik, but the hit box is taller

[undone gate]

Even Wanderers Pogo has Iframes

[slender juniper]

The length is actually the same as hunters,it's just less wide

[stable mica]

i frames abusement

[light swan]

for example uou can wavedash out of it for much more damage

[stable mica]

false info bro

[undone gate]

I mean the pogo

[light swan]

and it leaves you in perfect position to keep attacking

[night blade]

huh, skill issue genuinly it's just a pogo , it's faster , better for moment

[tight meadow]

Also that's just looks, the hit boxes are prolly different @fresh oracle

[undone gate]

It's just really short every pogo has some Iframes

[fresh oracle]

hunter pogo will hurt you if you get too close to the enemy unlike wanderer crest

[stable mica]

and wanderer is just better consistence parkour fast pacing

[fresh oracle]

who put the x

[light swan]

whereas wanderers leaves you in the air, which is not where you want to be to deal damage

[slender juniper]

But the pogo gets you close to the enemy

[placid citrus]

u can literally go through enemies with the pogo cuz it gives u i frames

[tight meadow]

It has a hitbix

[stable mica]

only hunter, beast have it

[light swan]

also shaman pogo is legit just wanderer pogo but bigger

[fresh oracle]

im not even saying hunter pogo is hard its just wanderer pogo is easier to use

[night blade]

nope you are saying that because you are used to hollow knight

[stable mica]

more like smaller witch

[light swan]

you said wanderer has better pogo when it doesn’t

[stable mica]

im sorry but i USE HUNTER 24/7

[placid citrus]

it's more like reaper pogo cuz air stall

[tight meadow]

yes, but hunters is better if you're good with it

[fresh oracle]

it really does

instant pogo + down slash

[night blade]

and i love wanderer

[light swan]

well youre ignoring all my messages explaining why

[night blade]

we are equal in that regard

[tight meadow]

Wanderer is just no skill bro admit it

[undone gate]

Shaman is a amazing crest other than it's bind

[stable mica]

no im not accepting a fact u call me a skil issue

[opaque sigil]

arguing with illusion about mechanics

[fresh oracle]

your points are moot considering a crest having a down slash for its pogo makes it way better

since its easier to use

[night blade]

skill issue there you go

[light swan]

but hunters is stronger and much more useful

and shaman is exactly like wanderer pogo but bigger

[exotic dome]

wanderer pogo might be the worst one

[fresh oracle]

more liable to backfire

[stable mica]

more like smaller witch

[tight meadow]

holy bro how do you not understand: Hunter pogo is better if you're good than if you're "good" with wanderers

[light swan]

and that’s entirely a skill issue and not a pogo issue

[fresh oracle]

chill

[exotic dome]

least homophobic moment of hornet

[stable mica]

Hunter pogos potential is unlimited

[tight meadow]

green white has to be ragebait ing bro 😭😭

[fresh oracle]

didnt know hunter crest glazers were this passionate

[tight meadow]

yes

[stable mica]

50% extra dmg for a reason

[placid citrus]

it's not even hunter glaze it's facts

[tight meadow]

I would out Hunter glazer but I ran out of room @fresh oracle

[night blade]

everything is glaze in this chat if it's not dih riding a opinion

[fresh oracle]

ignoring how pathetic that is im saying wanderer crest being instant and simple makes it better since it requires no skill to use it

and thus less liable to fail on you

[light swan]

on a high level hunters is flat out better

[tight meadow]

so you admit wanderers is no skill

[light swan]

also why the fuck are you ignoring what im saying about shaman

[slender juniper]

We're "my crest is good " passionate but not "I'm going to fucking dox you" passionate

[exotic dome]

we are average hunter crest users

[fresh oracle]

who is denying that?

did i ever once claim wanderer required skill

i literally called it the mary sue of crests

[light swan]

it’s not glaze it’s facts

[lavish apex]

hunter pogo is just more fun

[slender juniper]

Because it is

[light swan]

also let’s not forget witch pogo

[undone gate]

Once you get hang of the diagonal it's super useful and fun

[light swan]

which has the highest damage potential out of all pogos

[placid citrus]

the goat

[tight meadow]

The only people who hate on hunter pogo are people who aren't good at Skong 😭

[stable mica]

i frames that r not very gud

[fresh oracle]

mon dieu

[light swan]

no theyre the 2nd best

[stable mica]

i forgot beast pogo sucks

[lavish apex]

i don't like how witch's feels honestly

[light swan]

they’re literally just ignoring everything i say

[stable mica]

unless for sum monster who masters beast pogo

[light swan]

conpletely disregarding the shaman pogo thing for example

[lavish apex]

i know you can do funny circlet things with it but i also don't really care

[tight meadow]

I'd argue it's just "for those 7s nyleth speedruns"

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-14514797702729285380

[tight meadow]

Wdym

[light swan]

beast pogo is probably 3rd best

[stable mica]

or cogdancer bs

[undone gate]

Where would you put Architect pogo

[light swan]

pogos generally arent the most useful for high level combat which, but beast pogo has a different use case

[tight meadow]

errrrrrr

[stable mica]

wanderer more like

[light swan]

and that use case makes it better

[fresh oracle]

do hunter glazers have trauma from being the bullied crest or smth because not once i ever claimed hunter's crest was bad

im saying wanderer crest is better because it requires 0 skill, its instant and has the advantage of having a direct down slash

[light swan]

4th purely for damage and range

[fresh oracle]

now where did i ever claim that wanderer crest was a heavy skill crest

[light swan]

so can you actually read our points rather than insult us

[tight meadow]

Alright calm down man, we've moved on

[fresh oracle]

no

[leaden delta]

oh hunters crest. what a sick ass crest

[tight meadow]

the ragebaiter has been ragebaited

[fresh oracle]

be honest with yourself you were not ragebaiting

[stable mica]

in what way?

[tight meadow]

AHa tise is the guy I hate

It's just his voice, it genuinely makes me hate myself

[undone gate]

How will you rank all the 7 sprint attacks

[weak depot]

700th crestslop argument

[tight meadow]

Beast is best imo

[stable mica]

shaman is getting the worst for me

[placid citrus]

crest discourse is CINEMA

[light swan]

1. witch
2. hunter
3. ummmmm reaper
4. beast
5. architect
6. wanderer
7. shaman

[exotic cedar]

Witch number 1!!!!

[tight meadow]

The jump and slash is PEAK

[stable mica]

idk how to control it so it gets into the mid for me

[weak depot]

True tho it's entertaining af to watch

[tight meadow]

The sprint attack

[fresh oracle]

what a pain in the ass

regardless wanderer crest is like objectively an op crest

[cerulean sable]

Lace variant named prime fencer Lace

[stable mica]

ye, idk how to reduce the leap

[tight meadow]

yes

[placid citrus]

frr

[stable mica]

but its fast so i like it

[tight meadow]

I genuinely didn't know you could do that 😭😞

[light swan]

i agree with you, but i cant agree that wanderer pogo is the best

[undone gate]

Wanderer wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for that awful follow up attack

[stable mica]

wait u cant?

i might be stupid

[tight meadow]

Idk

[stable mica]

i messed up with the charged one

[fresh oracle]

its the best because its the easiest to use, it requires no brain power

[light swan]

but its also the weakest

[stable mica]

powering no skill power

[tight meadow]

Udually

[light swan]

in most situations

[stable mica]

i kinda like it cuz its cool

[tight meadow]

If they're lucky (no skill involved) it's op

No way it's the pure vessel guys

[lavish apex]

the presumption that hunter pogo is remotely difficult to use in most situations is questionable

[undone gate]

Witch and Hunter is just easy double hits and I would also place Reaper at 3rd I don't know how I would rank the bottom 4

[stable mica]

but the follow it is rlly sucky so uh its kinda bad

[light swan]

witch dash attack is just undoubtedly the best one

[sharp slate]

so true https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1481532904868810903/18sec.mp4?ex=69b4fa0a&is=69b3a88a&hm=b9a6d8285e7a8a40d0e0b6715f83a0ea85d90cc6d10934d3cc5506d74daf4ad1&

[stable mica]

2 hits and a follow up pogo with nuke

[light swan]

at least you could make a case for hunter pogo but not hunter dash attack being better than witch dash attack

[lavish apex]

the only ones i don't like it for are things that i don't like pogoing for in general

[undone gate]

Double Hits with Iframes it probably melts First Sinner

[lavish apex]

wanderer wouldn't have any edge there

[light swan]

3 hits, but it deals 2 hits of damage lol

[stable mica]

same as 2

but the follow its crazy

[light swan]

but it can be animation cancelled super early

meaning 3 hits really fast

[stable mica]

u prob can do like circlet into it

[light swan]

its a dash attack bro how do you use circlet on the groun

[sharp slate]

shaman dash attack is so sad tbh

[stable mica]

u can

[leaden delta]

Its moves flow well into each with dash attack being the way it is

[blazing ocean]

Bro i js killed last judge my brother suprises me that he didnt upgrade the needle

[light swan]

its not really realistic

[sharp slate]

i remeber attempting hitless stuff with shaman and you dash attack its a death sentence

[blazing ocean]

[leaden delta]

Down slash enables tech

[undone gate]

It just interrupts your momentum and weirdly knocks you back

[fresh oracle]

anyways i think wanderer crest should be nerfed

[leaden delta]

it’s cool I fw hunter

[fresh oracle]

like really nerfed

[lavish apex]

hunter is my favorite crest specifically for the pogo and dash attack

[leaden delta]

it’s the only one I care about

[exotic dome]

shaman is bad in every single way except spells

[sharp slate]

better nerf a bunch of other crests as well then

[stable mica]

after dash attack clawline pogo circlet nuke thingy

[lavish apex]

although focus is a cool mechanic as well

[light swan]

thats circlet after, not before 😭

[placid citrus]

if they nerf it the already small amount of users it has will stop using it too

[sharp slate]

i think crests are fine where they are at, i think team cherry makes a mistake if they listen to the community

[stable mica]

still a follow up

[lavish apex]

the only crest change i want is a reaper buff

[light swan]

also ash and i were talking about this yesterday

but if wanderer and witch were put in a room with no tools and no silk skills or bind

[blazing ocean]

YES JUSTICE FOR MY FAV CREST

[sharp slate]

it would be cool if reaper bind was a passive, i bring this up every time its mentioned

[light swan]

witch would deal damage faster and thats crazy funny to me

[undone gate]

Reaper just sucks against bosses and enemy guantlets

[blazing ocean]

It would be better if the passive is 1/3 chance to summon a silk part

[exotic cedar]

Remove every crest

[light swan]

no silk skills or bind means its entirely based on witch's neutrals

vs wanderers atack speed

[fresh oracle]

wanderer crest genuinely has 0 drawbacks unless you really rely on red tools / you like to facepalm onto bosses for some reason

[placid citrus]

but then we wouldn't have crest discourse

[undone gate]

What is Witch Neutrals

[blazing ocean]

NUKE

[exotic cedar]

Good.

[light swan]

the normal attacks

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/true-nuke-ash-baby-squidward-spongebob-gif-10318197618755767412

[undone gate]

How will Witch deal damage faster if Wanderer has higher attack speed

[blazing ocean]

BIND

[sharp slate]

What draw backs do other crests have?

[light swan]

combat tech :)

[light swan]

dude i said no bind

[sharp slate]

you could argue hunter has pogo drawback, but its a good pogo...

[blazing ocean]

Bind yes

[sharp slate]

you could argue beast has a bind drawback and pogo but they are good as well

[sharp slate]

rdac

[lavish apex]

no silk means no clawline

[quartz gulch]

It has terrible width, so flying enemies are a lot harder to hit. The passive at full silk isn't a drawback, but it is pretty shit. Especially compared to Hunter focus, Architect tool bind, Witch tool buffs and Shaman silk skill damage buff.

[light swan]

i changed it to no silk skills and no bind cuz i realized

[blazing ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-beast-gif-7167947808925894620

[sharp slate]

wanderer drawback definetely is narrow nail, though it only comes up in arena fights me thinks

[quartz gulch]

Silk hearts? Or am I missing context?

[night blade]

we are still on crest argument?

[tight meadow]

Prolly

[placid citrus]

yeah bro this is our bread and butter

[tight meadow]

At least no one's defending reaper

[lavish apex]

i'll be honest i've straight up never played beast, witch, architect or shaman outside of right after binding them

[blazing ocean]

Wanderer sucks with gauntlets

[undone gate]

That tech is insane

[quartz gulch]

Also the needle strike on wanderer provides no real benefit and the sprint attack is basically non-existent.

[fresh oracle]

reaper is a newbie trap

[minor sparrow]

Reaper's swing speed, shaman only being able bind on ground, that's all I really think is notable

[blazing ocean]

Absoultely wrong

[quartz gulch]

Cause it requires good players.