sk-discussion

[wanton nimbus]

Nothing is confirmed, they just didn't do anything, and even if they didn't care, it's still wrong. But I believe that in the future they will take action against those who distribute pirated content and especially those who monetize it with plagiarized copies of the game.

[lusty grove]

it's not stealing cuz TC isn't losing anything when you pirate Silksong

[slender juniper]

They won't because they don't care

In fact they like that more people can play the games

Because they want to make their games accessible

[torn rock]

its a bit silly thinking people pirating a game actually affects anything

[finite atlas]

Yeah, exactly, like supporting via word of mouth lmao

[hardy tangle]

if i was team cherry i would ban all mobile ports and make silksong $40

[lusty grove]

it's funny how basically every indie developer ever is like "yeah sure pirate my game who gives a shit"

[torn rock]

games are gonna be made some people are gonna buy them some people cant some people dont want to

[lusty grove]

good thing you're not Team Cherry

[hardy tangle]

they cant do anything about it

[slender juniper]

Literally,the only people bitching "oh you're a thief" are players

[tight viper]

If I was TC I would add cabbits

[torn rock]

regardless of what people do it doesnt actually matter unless its some extremely small indie game

[hardy tangle]

but if you pirate small indie games uhh fuck you

[torn rock]

true

[hardy tangle]

like pirate the hell out of triple a games who gaf

[lusty grove]

they could at least say "please don't", but they don't even do that
some of them even go out of their way to say that you SHOULD pirate their game if you can't pay for it

[wanton nimbus]

Even more bizarre is that there are ports that place ads in Team Cherry's game, monetizing something they didn't create.

[slender juniper]

Ultrakill dev

[hardy tangle]

are these people like already successsful

[finite atlas]

Again, if you can't afford a game, you can still enjoy it and support in your own way

[wanton nimbus]

I remember seeing one that also had a code to enter.

[hardy tangle]

ok well thats bad

[wanton nimbus]

ya

[slender juniper]

Well that is a different case indeed

[fiery burrow]

I don't think piracy is a moral thing cuz it doesn't really harm devs but it doesn't really benefit anyone either

[restive ibex]

Tc has like 22 million sales combined from SK/HK. The company is 3 people. They never needed to work a day in their life after HK, I'm grateful they made SKong at all.

[light swan]

@ grynne what was that one word i forgot

it was like enshiitified but i feel like it wasnt enshiitified

[graceful oyster]

I don't know

[lusty grove]

idk, I was referencing Toby Fox

[graceful oyster]

Enshiitification

[hardy tangle]

yeah hes rich af

[lusty grove]

it benefits the person who pirated it

[light swan]

YEA enshiitification

[finite atlas]

It allows those who can't afford a product to still enjoy it
And it's not purely a "no support" to the devs thing, it still spreads the word and that's in a way, advertisement

[slender juniper]

TC is already

[fiery burrow]

Well yeah duh

[hardy tangle]

i dont think tiny indie devs are saying pirate my game

[hardy tangle]

thats why they dont care

[fiery burrow]

What's interesting though is if you don't spread the word

I don't actually think that's immoral because at the end of the day no harm was done

[hardy tangle]

they probably didnt want anyone to pirate hk when it first came out cus they were broke as shit

[leaden delta]

like the thing is piracy is who caressssssssss. piracy is not hurting most people ever and merely leads to better experiences. Art shouldn’t have to be limited to those with money but that’s a different conversation

[finite atlas]

In any way a popular repack is popular
The game is now getting popular

[slender juniper]

For a game to be pirated it needs to be big in the first place

So pirating smaller games is like really rare

[restive ibex]

Picture this. It's 2020, some people are hyping up HK. You can't afford it so you pirate it. You feel kinda bad.

6 years later, things are better in life. Silksong came out recently, and you have fond memories of playing HK. You actually buy SK because you have money now.

[steep jolt]

it affects nintendo when you dont pay like 200 dollars for a game (dlc that adds half the content is another 100)

[finite atlas]

Piracy is not without benefit, but of course it is not better than just buying the product

[fiery burrow]

OK?

[hardy tangle]

it happens and most choose not to cus its morally just wrong

[lusty grove]

ah yes, let's pirate this game with 3 downloads on Google Play

[torn rock]

im devasted

[fiery burrow]

But I've pirated games and not only didn't enjoy them but actively disliked them does that make it immoral

[lusty grove]

piracy is in and of itself a neutral act, buying a game is a positive act

[leaden delta]

a friend of mine is making a unique piracy build of the game she’s making just cause its fun and that experience at the very least shouldn’t be limited to money, even if yea please buy the game to give the devs a living wage

[lusty grove]

you didn't pay for something you didn't enjoy, so I guess it's still a neutral thing

[finite atlas]

There ARE some benefits if we're really considering everything, but yeah, buying a game is way way better

[fiery burrow]

Yea that's what I'm saying

[leaden delta]

like simply piracy doesn’t matterrrr and sometimes is a good tool to fight against things monetarily (while is the only thing most companies care about)

[stable pilot]

https://garticphone.com/en/0034d5a49c

[hardy tangle]

just wait for a sale

[stable pilot]

yall wanna play

[steep jolt]

i made a jepoardy for silksong i need 5 people

[fiery burrow]

At the end of the day no harm is done I don't really think it makes sense to moralize it (in both directions)

[wanton nimbus]

no

[subtle lynx]

Yes

[stable pilot]

amazing

[rocky jolt]

nes

[lusty grove]

if I ever make a game I'm gonna add an NPC that says nothing UNLESS you pirated the game, then it says "please buy the game when you can, I need the money" and disappears

[slender juniper]

Actually peak

[stable pilot]

join plz

[torn rock]

a what

[exotic cedar]

if i ever make a game, i will make it

[fiery burrow]

JSAB had a cutscene like that but they couldn't get the antipiracy to work

[stable pilot]

can i start°

[steep jolt]

they should release sea of sorrow early for piraters but every npc wears a pirate hat

[subtle lynx]

I'm in

[slender juniper]

Actually install a malvare to their computer if they pirate you game, anti piracy super Mario 64 style

[lusty grove]

adding exclusive content to the pirated version to create a moral dillema where players are forced to do the "immoral" act of piracy to enjoy the exclusive content >:]

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[lusty grove]

nah, it's a goodware, it does nothing but has a 1 in one trillion chance of making a copy of the System 32 file

[slender juniper]

What's system 32

[lusty grove]

the file that makes Windows work, basically

every important thing is there

[stable pilot]

The OS folder basically

[slender juniper]

So what happens when there's 2

[subtle lynx]

@stable pilot are you in VC or offtopic?

[lusty grove]

idk

[stable pilot]

Not in a vc

[slender juniper]

[lusty grove]

probably something good

[restive ibex]

Nothing.

[steep jolt]

when you pirate the game hornet wears a little pirate hat

[slender juniper]

Sk anti piracy idea:make them play with the reapers crest

[restive ibex]

It's when there is less than 1 that it becomes a problem

[exotic dome]

it's not really that important if a product is good people buy it + it's cheap

[mental snow]

Got Volt Filament again, time to fuck (up) GMS

[torn rock]

you play as baby hornet the entire game and cant ledge grap or reach places you normally would

would have to do enemy skips the whole game

[restive ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1480852203882414120/CERST_SWITCHER2.webp

[cold lance]

guys how tf do i join vc its locked

[slender juniper]

Stuck in moss grotto

[torn rock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/690565728826425394/1137728849401086012/media_4.gif

[exotic dome]

if you pirate the game enemies do triple damage and bosses do 4

[restive ibex]

Why are we locking fun modes behind piracy

[steep jolt]

if you pirate the game hornet can only attack using the flea brew throw

[stable pilot]

https://garticphone.com/en/0034d5a49c
join if u want

[shell grotto]

How do you make the fourth courous (big robot after drifters cloak) harder?

Only power I have is drifters, and that's because it doesn't work without it

[cunning geode]

play with your toes

[hardy tangle]

blindfold yourself

[torn rock]

wait what mod is this

[exotic dome]

hell nah i just realized tc can add clawline binding in godhome

[shell grotto]

Pantheon of pharloom

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer suckass

[shell grotto]

J WOULDA recorded my thing, but I got called out, and had to stop recording on the run

[arctic epoch]

pogo only

[slim thorn]

disable drifter cloack with debug after it starts?

[shell grotto]

Too easy

[shell grotto]

Or just don't use it

It might be required tho

(Also didn't use explosive above the guy)

[midnight jasper]

Guys I just figured something out

[arctic epoch]

pogo only sub 1

[midnight jasper]

If you search Hollow Knight on Google you can press a button and it'll attack the pictures onboard

Not important but cool

[shell grotto]

Not doing timers

[arctic epoch]

do another boss

Fourth Chorus is the most abusable of all time

[shell grotto]

(That's the point)

[subtle flower]

59 hours and 36 minutes is how long it took to 100% the game

[shell grotto]

Faster than me

80 hours

[stable pilot]

https://garticphone.com/en/0034d5a49c
join if u want

[subtle flower]

Holy moly

[arctic epoch]

if you're not doing timers and you already did everything you could to technically increase the boss difficulty of the most abusable boss in the game, and you're not doing timers. What do you want to do?

[stable pilot]

please we need players

[midnight jasper]

No thanks

[slim thorn]

it even looks like reaper pogo, cool

[stable pilot]

ok

[shell grotto]

I was just basically saying it's easy to do with all limitations possible

[arctic epoch]

yeah, i'm pretty sure most people know that tho

[shell grotto]

Oooo idea
Pogo only but beast crest

[arctic epoch]

you should do timers then

[shell grotto]

I am also like, barely interacting with ppl in hk&sk other than #sk-help

First time actually chatting here

[arctic epoch]

well you should try doing a non-boulder 45 seconds FC

probably easy as hell with red tools tho, so try without red tools

[tacit topaz]

i hate whoever done the juggle challenge

why would you put it into game and lock upgrade behind it

disgasten

[earnest drift]

it's not that bad

[hardy tangle]

find my pages

[graceful oyster]

I HATE it when I get REWARDS for doing TOUGH CONTENT in a VIDEO GAME

[exotic cedar]

Finding all fleas though 😴

[tacit topaz]

finding all fleas is easy

jugglingis bad

[spark anchor]

It really wasnt that bad honestly

Have you considered using other crests with different swing arcs

[tacit topaz]

its harder than any boss beforehand

[earnest drift]

me when i have to do things in a game

[exotic cedar]

Its very boring

[spark anchor]

Tools don’t help but your crest choice certainly will

[tacit topaz]

if u explored stuff before, you would barely miss any

[earnest drift]

btw if you hit the fleas from the side it counts as juggling them upward

[tacit topaz]

i grabbed shaman and its not enough

[earnest drift]

you don't need to upslash

[exotic cedar]

I missed them even though i explored a lot

[spark anchor]

You just want to focus the most recent flea to fall

[restive ibex]

Never jump

Use reaper

[tacit topaz]

reaper is bad

[restive ibex]

It's fine for juggle

[earnest drift]

is clawlining fleas in juggle ever a good idea

[tacit topaz]

nah locking oils behind the most annoying things is the worst design ever

[restive ibex]

Scrub take

[earnest drift]

strong upgrades shouldn't be easy to get

[tacit topaz]

same with the escort thing for oil

[restive ibex]

Needle upgrades are excessive

[tacit topaz]

harder than any boss ? good one

[restive ibex]

Tales of gitgud

[spark anchor]

That isnt bad

[patent heath]

No way is it harder than any boss.

[tacit topaz]

anything else i dont mind in silksong, but this is just a bad design

[spark anchor]

The only challenges with gtop is lugoli and rasher

[spark anchor]

Me when I have to work hard for very impactul upgrades

[arctic epoch]

locking rewarding oil end game upgrade behind by completing the most annoying a tough challenge

[earnest drift]

if flea games allowed tools, which would be the easiest

[arctic epoch]

circlet...?

ah you mean modes

[tacit topaz]

Courier challenge oil is for example not tough, but annoying. At least i did it one tap.

was still annoyed though

[arctic epoch]

probably juggle still

[spark anchor]

How does circlet interact with fleas though

I guess longclaw makes juggle easier

[arctic epoch]

shitt, i found it tough but not annoying at all, what should i do now? Am i thinking the wrong way?

[spark anchor]

I think it’s just longclaw that has an actual impact in flea games lmao

Maybe weavelight too for clawline

Really just those two

[patent heath]

All tools are unequipped for the Flea Festival minigames.

[tacit topaz]

maybe you should stop being defensive like a child

[spark anchor]

Hypothetically.

[patent heath]

Ah.

[tacit topaz]

if something is bad design, dont fight it

[spark anchor]

[patent heath]

It isn't but okay.

[arctic epoch]

twin, we're getting tad too far now
you're also speaking from your experience, why am i the ones being called name?

[tacit topaz]

fans often get too defensive and cant take any criticism

[exotic cedar]

Maybe you should respect others opinions

[foggy tapir]

anyway so hornet is the roaring knight

[spark anchor]

How is gtop and flea festival bad design

[spark anchor]

Gaster is the pale king

[tacit topaz]

then tell it to others that dont respect mine

[tacit topaz]

locking good upgrade behind a juggle rough minigame, is very bad design

[spark anchor]

• Related to “darkness” or “void” and experimented with it
• Related to vessels and a “knight”
• Mysterious backstory

[foggy tapir]

what did the fourth chorus do to u man

[patent heath]

She didn't experiment with Void.

[foggy tapir]

goddamn it

[patent heath]

And her backstory isn't really mysterious anymore.

[spark anchor]

Um i was talking about gaster

[patent heath]

Oh. My bad.

[spark anchor]

Not hornet

[hardy tangle]

minecraft ghast

[spark anchor]

Gaster seeks out a pure vessel

[tight viper]

The Unravelled would make a great pet

[green owl]

what's happening guys

[tight viper]

“Oh that’s a cute dog, is it a Labrador?”
“Nah, I think it’s in pain”

[hardy tangle]

we should call this game silkslop cus its nothing but slop

do people like zote as an npc

not as a character

[arctic epoch]

Okay, Dhaos, with utmost respect from my judgement. I would absolutely disagree with your sincere take on the Flea Festivals.

Let's take it from 3 parts now shall we?

• Flea Findings

• As we all know, Fleas are scattered around the entirety of Pharloom, which prove to be somewhat hard to find. But thus prove usually fun in moment-to-moment gameplay where you would generally find at least 50% of the flea count in the area that you just freshly explored, that is if you decide to not toss everything over the table and speedrun

• Flea Festivals

• Each game of the flea juggle all test your movement ability at its very core, being kept at Act 3, where supposedly, you really want to have a good understanding of your own movement to hold grounds against better boss. These minigames prove to not only be challenging but joyfully so at that for having you prepared for the fights to come ( Lost Lace and the likes )
• Hard, yes it was, but so were many others, i did not have a challenge at all at completing it. Matter of fact, i didn't even need it at all as you're perfectly fit to finish the game without the final needle upgrade, i never felt like i was short of a bit more damage. Pale Oil was such a cherry on top from you know, Team Cherry.

• "Bad Design"

• To put it simply, frustration =/= bad design. Months later, i found myself immersed in the game and so does the community when it comes to Bilewater, an extremely dangerous and punishing area which is meant to drive people mad and frustrated. Yet praised and regarded as one of the best area in the game, to that, i ask you why is that the thing?

[hardy tangle]

holy yap

[arctic epoch]

I will not tolerate people being illiterate, READ your message

[hardy tangle]

yapmaster

[rocky jolt]

''bad game design'' gamer slurs detected

[hardy tangle]

talking emperor

blabber bos

[balmy pumice]

The entire works of Shakespeare bro

[tight viper]

Flea Games are awesome

[arctic epoch]

twin, how MANY names will you pull 🙏

[tight viper]

How anyone could consider them bad design is beyond me

[balmy pumice]

Yea flea games are great

[hardy tangle]

i never did flea games

i dropped the game after lost lace cus it was slop

[balmy pumice]

Do em

[tight viper]

There’s very few examples of bad design, and even then it’s usually good concept with bad execution

Like Zango

[arctic epoch]

eh, i should have just mod pinged that person frame 1

[rocky jolt]

im convinced zango is a joke boss

[hardy tangle]

ill prob have to do them when dlc comes and a really hard boss is introduced

[arctic epoch]

do NOT slander my goat Zango

[hardy tangle]

for the upgrade

[tight viper]

Zangoat?

[arctic epoch]

Zangoat lowkey solos Pharloom, Hornet just too strong

[slim thorn]

i agree, i have proof, zango is one of the biggest threats there is

[rocky jolt]

how beast users be convincing people to use their crest

[restive ibex]

I mean, they did solo pharloom indirectly unless someone stops the spread of blue juice

[brave geyser]

@/mehiddin7

[spark anchor]

I read it all. I am not a true Hollow Knight fan

Sorry guys. I learned how to read

[arctic epoch]

Stand Proud, you can read.

[brave geyser]

I can too

[arctic epoch]

you suckass

[brave geyser]

Fuck you <3

[neat gate]

dam

[earnest drift]

i will start teleporting the organs of people who send ai art to saturn

[spark anchor]

Beast crest makes me feel things

[rocky jolt]

im using it to slander tho

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer crest also makes me feel things

and it's ABSOLUTE DISGUST with UTMOST CERTAINTY

[green owl]

What type of things?

[spark anchor]

[earnest drift]

no excuse

[spark anchor]

When you bind and hornet starts growling

[earnest drift]

cute

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/clemiprada-vegeta-getting-his-ass-beat-they-jumped-my-ass-beating-jumped-gif-2525219151310598735

[lofty urchin]

Not the cherry on top of team cherry 😩

Crazy

[hardy tangle]

crest discussers when they find out Hollow Knight: Silksong is a singleplayer game

[earnest drift]

doesn't mean it shouldn't be balanced

[hardy tangle]

why do people even care

[eager creek]

Opened sk-discussion to crestslop

Horrible day

[lofty urchin]

Yeah they should make a post game crest that gives hornet ultra instinct, like geniunely

[earnest drift]

because i think it would be good if the game doesn't have ways to cheese every boss and gauntlet in the game

e.g. the all-hit build

[graceful cairn]

so true

[earnest drift]

but now i'm thinking that's more the fault of red tools than architect crest

[graceful cairn]

LMAO

[unkempt steeple]

acctually there's mio discussion too

[hardy tangle]

just dont use it bubba

[green owl]

Hubba bubba

[graceful oyster]

Mio mentioned

[unkempt steeple]

dude where is the dlcccccccccccccccccccc

[eager creek]

Gone

[unkempt steeple]

team cherry think they funny going radio silent about it...

[hardy tangle]

NOOOOOO this person who i dont know at all is playing the game in a way thats different from me I HAVE to convince their playstyle is WRONG and my playstyle is right

[unkempt steeple]

I do that

[hardy tangle]

singleplayer game

[graceful cairn]

how it feels to talk in the hk discord with a nine sols pfp while wearing the mio tag

[hardy tangle]

metroidvania

[unkempt steeple]

its multiplayer becuse multiple people play

[rocky jolt]

why do these infants do double damage

[eager creek]

I'm gonna introduce to you the past 7 years of Silksong's development

[hardy tangle]

singleplayer metroidvania story good soundtrack game

[graceful cairn]

so true

[unkempt steeple]

it's sloooooooooooooooooop

[earnest drift]

being able to beat the game while standing still for every boss and not even using needle isn’t good design imo

it shouldn’t be part of the game

[unkempt steeple]

what are we talking about

[hardy tangle]

wait what if... you played the game in a way... that avoided this..

[earnest drift]

but I don’t think it should be part of the game in the first place

[hardy tangle]

its singleplayer who gaf

[earnest drift]

am I allowed to think that

[unkempt steeple]

what shouldn't be part of the game

[hardy tangle]

some ranodm dude is playing in a way that you think ruins the game who GIVES A SHIT

[earnest drift]

the potential of the all-hit build

[unkempt steeple]

what does that entail

[hardy tangle]

as long as you enjoy how you play it

[rocky jolt]

i saw that

[hardy tangle]

doesnt matter

[earnest drift]

architect crest, plasmium, cogflies, tacks, Druid’s eyes, memory crystal, magnetite dice, weighted belt, shell satchel
allows the player to beat any boss or gauntlet without moving or using needle to attack

[brave geyser]

Then again you never see anyone doing it except on purpose after they beat the game so

[unkempt steeple]

oh ig but surely nobody acctually uses that

doesn't sound fun

[hard sedge]

[hardy tangle]

ok the 3 people who enjoy this build good for them

this game isnt fucking competitive bro 😭

[brave geyser]

no fucking way is that july

[earnest drift]

but the fact it’s even possible shows a flaw in the game’s design

[brave geyser]

oh
just

[earnest drift]

personally I think it’s a pretty big issue that should be addressed even if the game is single player

[hardy tangle]

too bad too sad idk what else to say

[earnest drift]

a single player game can still be balanced

[brave geyser]

By the player themselves

[raw pawn]

Somehow when I put plasmium I no hit everything and when I don't I fucking die

[brave geyser]

even though that build is stupid broken you see No one running it except youtube content farms (/j)

[hardy tangle]

99% of people arent gonna use that

[earnest drift]

that doesn’t change that it’s in the game

[hardy tangle]

palestag is in the game just dont fight it

[brave geyser]

Still don't see the problem with it

i get that you want it to be balanced but like it's so easy to avoid no one cares

[earnest drift]

one boss not being fun isn’t the same as one playstyle making all bosses not fun

[unkempt steeple]

it'd be cool if godhome added time limits for bosses alongside no hit

[kindred willow]

Guys I love Shellwood so much

[brave geyser]

we all do

[kindred willow]

I LOVE SHELLWOOD SO SO SO SO SO MUCH

It just might have to dethrone Mount Fay as my favorite location in both games

IT IS SO GOOD

[earnest drift]

also kill voltvessels pls

[kindred willow]

Great OST and everything, I genuinely feel like I never need to listen to Greenpath or Queen's Gardens again

And the ENEMIES

[brave geyser]

okay forget everything i said kill voltvessels bola please

[kindred willow]

Omg so much fun

[brave geyser]

everyone should learn triple sting shards before scream starts

[hardy tangle]

just dont use it like you dont fight palestag

[brave geyser]

why can't i send clips n shit wtf

[slim thorn]

you havent unlocked media perms yet

[brave geyser]

I do

[slim thorn]

have you sent 300 messages since they put that as a requirement?

[brave geyser]

i have the perms

hell i used them like 10 minutes ago

Now i just can't send any images or clips

You can check yourself i do have them

[slim thorn]

weird

[graceful cairn]

check his roles

[tight viper]

Something on your end, I guess

Bad connection, maybe?

[brave geyser]

Can see

hold on maybe i just need to close my discord

[tight viper]

Yeah, was just testing if it was a channel/server issue

[graceful cairn]

I broke the A button on my controller fighting widow once that was fun. and it was during a speedrun

[brave geyser]

okay it's working now yay

[still osprey]

I did bs2 ‼️ 🐸

[tight viper]

Looks like some fun skips

[kindred willow]

HANG ME

HANG ME ON A STAKE

For the fact that I once referred to Shellwood as "Bargain Bin Greenpath"

[restive ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1481165772557516820/more_CrestswitchINA.webp

[slim thorn]

instant nail arts??
i need that

[hardy tangle]

it was charged

isnt there a tool for that

[restive ibex]

Not fast enough

[raw pawn]

instant nail arts is so op ngl

[restive ibex]

Need a mod to go this fast

[hardy tangle]

what did grand reed do

[restive ibex]

Yeah, the point is style, not advocating for that as a balanced experience

I'm just showing off

[still osprey]

ok that was really clean I think I've basically got the hang of it

[restive ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1481104634092327112/CrestswitchINA1.webp

[restive ibex]

He was conveniently placed 😠

[hardy tangle]

use the architect mod to give the reed 80000 health

[slim thorn]

where you get those mods

or the specific names

[restive ibex]

I already had to lower my needle damage to make these work

[hardy tangle]

team cherry mods hq

[restive ibex]

I think "crest master" and "faster needle strike"

Crest switching is buggy as fuck tho

If your switching mid combo

You get stuck in animations sometimes

[slim thorn]

i dont see them on cogfly, are those from nexus?

[graceful cairn]

I hate this skip so fucking much

[crude geyser]

Defeated tormented trobbio

[restive ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fireworks-firework-fourth-of-july-chinese-invention-celebrate-gif-8120832

[crude geyser]

How hard is he according to yall

[bitter briar]

Garfield

[restive ibex]

One of the tougher bosses but that ain't saying much considering it's silksong

[earnest drift]

but it's in the game

why do you care about how i play

[safe canopy]

I just saw a video explaining how stewy griffin is the antagonist of silksong and I believe it now

There’s no coming back from the things I heard

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer suckass

[safe canopy]

Wanderer is broken

[arctic epoch]

yeah, and it suckass

[safe canopy]

Suckass?

Btw I like your name, if there was only a short version for that name it would’ve been peak

[hardy tangle]

supernova stupidity

[graceful oyster]

You got engagement baited

[analog mist]

how

[earnest drift]

is this ai

[hardy tangle]

ai is not this good

[earnest drift]

but it's bad

[safe canopy]

Yes

[analog mist]

youd be surprised

of how absolutely ass it is ofc

[arctic epoch]

why do you suddenly announce your hatred for ai?

[safe canopy]

I now follow our one and only leader stewy griffin

[analog mist]

why not?

[hardy tangle]

its an edited image of a drawing on paper

[arctic epoch]

why yes

[analog mist]

because ai is literally making my future harder to reach

[wicked mason]

the all new iSilksong just released on team apple

[arctic epoch]

huh? how so? it?

[analog mist]

wrong link probably

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/drool-patrick-star

[analog mist]

stuff

[earnest drift]

do you think spongebob should've been cancelled immediately after the pilot

[analog mist]

I wanted to build a pc but that seems impossible nowadays

[arctic epoch]

but thats not explainable tho, how would ai make your future harder to reach?

[safe canopy]

Honestly kids these days are too addicted to their Isilksong’s, remember the days we only had Ihollowknight’s?

[analog mist]

ai makes many futures hard to reach

[analog mist]

such as a job in an art position

[wicked mason]

yeah man these was the great stuff

[safe canopy]

Indeed

[wicked mason]

hey who just put the youraislopboresme link

[analog mist]

me

[wicked mason]

cuz this game is awesome fr

[analog mist]

I think I misspelt it

[wicked mason]

thx my guy

[analog mist]

oh it works lmao

[wicked mason]

no it works lol

[analog mist]

https://youraislopbores.me/ this

weird it doesn't embed

[safe canopy]

It’s soul vessel used to live a lot longer too, now with all of this fancy silk spool talking the silk of the isilksong runs out way too quickly compared to the ihollowknight

[hardy tangle]

i think stuff like commissions which arent a stable job but its a way to make money is always gonna stay even if ai is everywhere cus the hate for ai art isnt gonna fade any time soon

[wicked mason]

true and the health battery decreases by 1 meanwhile in iSilksong the health battery decreases by 2

[safe canopy]

Yeah the isilksong is truly much weaker

[hardy tangle]

giga ip grab

[safe canopy]

At least it’s more versatile

[analog mist]

do you even know what youre talking about

[wicked mason]

yeah thats the nice part about it, the iHollowKnight was kinda slow

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dan-hentschel-3

[analog mist]

son...

[graceful oyster]

MY STUDENTS ARE ALL MORONS

[analog mist]

okay that's an eyesore

[safe canopy]

Also half of the ihollowknight apps weren’t worth the storage slots, but now with the isilksong the cost doesn’t feel that heavy anymore and every app tool feels pretty good (most)

[analog mist]

how so

[hardy tangle]

how long is this bit

[wicked mason]

true

[restive ibex]

Anyone else find the Phantom plot thread very strange

[hardy tangle]

bro doesnt know ball

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/moron-my-students-are-all-morons-dan-hentschel-idiots-screaming-teacher-gif-9545187536972341639

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dan-hentschel-virtual-sin-forgiveness

[analog mist]

I'm a fucking idiot

[restive ibex]

GMS straight up acts like phantom never existed, no explanation is given

[safe canopy]

Some of the ihollowknight app combos were so fun to do back to back tho

[graceful oyster]

A moron perhaps

[hardy tangle]

thats the point

[analog mist]

I AM NOT A MORON

[hardy tangle]

forgotten and discarded thats their whole thing

[safe canopy]

Alright this was fun, I’m out tho

I think the joke has out joked itself

[restive ibex]

Is GMS really that stupid? They just forgot? And made a new one like "I've never tried this before"

[wicked mason]

yeah they had some special outcomes

[wicked mason]

el true

[safe canopy]

Indeed

[analog mist]

gms is a higher being who knows what she can do

[hardy tangle]

phantom was imperfect (in my eyes shes perfect) for gms so she abandoned

[safe canopy]

Also she doesn’t pay child support for all I know

[restive ibex]

She already acknowledges lace is flawed so why not abandon her

[analog mist]

phantom is truly the goat

[earnest drift]

test run

a prototype for lace

[graceful oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1475994851760668704/20231219_005716_im_not_a_moron.mp4?ex=69b34953&is=69b1f7d3&hm=7119ed3d5ef6be05be0f1c132795410b4b7678808ba97c6912f0c8eefbb9bec1&

[hardy tangle]

cus she was lowkey asleep

[safe canopy]

Lowkey relatable

[analog mist]

elite ball knowledge 🔥

[earnest drift]

did grand mother silk abandon phantom or did phantom just get imprisoned and gms couldn't do anything about it

[safe canopy]

Gms must have had some wild dreams

[restive ibex]

Honestly im just assuming she was a late addition to the game or something. I'm not satisfied with what was done with her

[earnest drift]

phantom is the most efficient use of screentime in the game

[analog mist]

grand mother ailk

[hardy tangle]

your grasp on the lore is so confusing

[earnest drift]

if phantom had one more second of screentime the game would implode of peak

[safe canopy]

Ay don’t be mean it was auto correct

Blame it not me

[analog mist]

I didn't mean to be mean ok

all good gng

[safe canopy]

Ik my English wasn’t englishing tho so that’s the best word I came up with

[earnest drift]

oh they were discarded

[restive ibex]

Why us

[hardy tangle]

abandoned

[earnest drift]

yep so gms found phantom to not be good enough but lace was what she needed

[safe canopy]

Auto correct is selling me

[hardy tangle]

cus gms is sooo stupid

[earnest drift]

she also said lace was spun "pure"

[safe canopy]

Healthy silk, healthy diet, healthy life

[hardy tangle]

pure vessel reference

would eva and thk be homies

[analog mist]

THAT'S THE ENTIRE FUCKING PORTAL 2 PLAYTHROUGH FROM THAT POINT

[wary storm]

lace

[hardy tangle]

lace base

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[hardy tangle]

lace base will be the new zoteboat you have 24 hours to make it go viral

[wary storm]

stupid croissant head girl

[earnest drift]

yes

[summer sphinx]

So do i have to beat Trobbio to progress the game

[exotic dome]

you have to

[hardy tangle]

my pet peeve is when people draw hornet with a mouth and a tongue idk maybe im just a miserable chud and i dont know ball but it looks off

also when people draw her with the bug abdomen thing thats how you know they dont know the lore

[pure stag]

My PC

[graceful cairn]

true...

[pure stag]

I fear for its life

[earnest drift]

phantom is better than broken vessel

[pure stag]

Take that back

[hardy tangle]

antarctic take

[earnest drift]

no

[pure stag]

I’m praying to raccoon God that you will die within an hour

[earnest drift]

I killed myself 1 minute ago so you failed

[hardy tangle]

pedro in the big 26

[graceful oyster]

Correct

[pure stag]

I said within an hour, technically it’s within an hour

[earnest drift]

actually I killed myself 2 hours ago

and I’m communicating through ghost telepathy

[pure stag]

I can’t be wrong if I account for all of time

[earnest drift]

too late

[graceful oyster]

This might very well be my favorite meme literally ever

[raw pawn]

uhh garmond?

holy shit he is using 1% of his power

[subtle lynx]

A 73 minutes video?

[raw pawn]

garmond get down

[earnest drift]

so much more interesting than quirrel

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[raw pawn]

I think garmond is more simliar to cloth actually

[graceful oyster]

Sherma is this game's Quirrel

The recurring explorer

[earnest drift]

is sherma an explorer if he only cares about the destination

[graceful oyster]

Doesn't matter

We're talking NPC tropes

[earnest drift]

is pebb myla

[graceful oyster]

Pebb is a temporary shopkeep that happens to die

Doesn't have a HK parallel

[wary storm]

stinky croissant head bet you smell like garlic

[wary storm]

honored one

[spark anchor]

This is a better myla comparison ngl

One-off character that shows that commoners are still not safe

Sherma is an entirely new character with no parallels

He has actual character development and follows you to the citadel

[hardy tangle]

kill sherma

[earnest drift]

sherma is better developed than the hollow knight

[spark anchor]

Myla just stays in crystal peak

[earnest drift]

lol

[spark anchor]

And then turns into a husk

[hardy tangle]

silksong has the worst lore ever and gms is a terrible final boss with no meaning

[wary storm]

myla lowk gives us hints that the LIGHT is coming with her song

[earnest drift]

so mean

[wary storm]

based opinion

quirrel's parallel character is seth of course

[hardy tangle]

i'd say its garmond

[wary storm]

garmond is tiso

[hardy tangle]

and garmond fails to be as good as quirrel

tiso is tiso

[wary storm]

same stuff that we can just miss him completely

[earnest drift]

garmond and Quirrel are about the same for me

tiso is pretty useless

[hardy tangle]

tiso exists

[wary storm]

and then he'd die so tragic 😭 (bro idk who you are)

[exotic dome]

quirrel has no parallel character i think. sherma is most similar to quirrel

[hardy tangle]

ballow and quirrel cus they both help you get to the final bos

[wary storm]

seth is most suitable guy for be quirrel 2, he also serves some lesser god, and becomes something different as that lesser god dies

[hardy tangle]

and theyre both goated

[earnest drift]

is Shakra really a parallel to cornifer if she’s better than cornifer in every way

[earnest drift]

Quirrel is not as useful as ballow

[wary storm]

shakra doesn't have an proper ending to her quest

[hardy tangle]

me when im a stupid fat chud

[wary storm]

she just meets the teacher yes but then what

she just defends bellhart

[exotic dome]

actually yeah

[hardy tangle]

sing a beautiful song and mourn together???

[earnest drift]

we could’ve just used oomas to pop uumuu and killed Quirrel to get monomon’s mask

[exotic dome]

he also forgets about you when you meet him for the second time

[wary storm]

then what she in constant fighting state now

[hardy tangle]

so you use quirrel anyway good job

[earnest drift]

no one can replace ballow

[earnest drift]

only useful in death, just like the oomas

Quirrel is a parallel to the oomas

[hardy tangle]

we couldve killed ballow and used his corpse to activate the diving bell

[wary storm]

garlic bug said stink quote

[earnest drift]

what is a garlic bug

[wary storm]

you

you are garlic shaped

[earnest drift]

ok Quirrel is a good and well developed character and is quite likeable
I just think his battle cries are annoying

“KASAH!” makes me recoil in cringe

[wary storm]

we could've killed lace and use her corpse to lure gms to the void where she'd die

or just kill lace so she wont trigger act 3

[hardy tangle]

kill 7 billion people

[earnest drift]

ig for that reason I’m glad he’s not in godhome

[subtle lynx]

100% brain usage

[fiery burrow]

he sounds weirdly young in the battle

[subtle lynx]

Why didn't hornet kill lace after saving her

[wary storm]

he was immortal because he didn't accompished his goal i suppose

[fiery burrow]

She's stupid

[wary storm]

open ending

[subtle lynx]

Like once we know GMS is dead

[earnest drift]

too hard to kill

[subtle lynx]

Throw her to the void

She's weak

[exotic dome]

or its because uumuu fight is annoying as hell

[wary storm]

why is he telling the truth

[hardy tangle]

lace is like a fly that you swear you killed but somehow reappears

[earnest drift]

wouldn’t that bring lost lace back

[earnest drift]

yeah that too

[light swan]

KASSAAAAA is the coolest thing ever

[marsh ibex]

Who?

[subtle lynx]

Quirrel's lines are a bit cringe ngl

[wary storm]

squirrel

[hardy tangle]

silksong has like no good voice lines

[wary storm]

he's sitting at the bench in city of tears is so peak

and we sitting beside him

[hardy tangle]

where is the velmi artrids

[subtle lynx]

Sherma singing, shakra and the snitch bug whose name I forgot

[wary storm]

and he's sitting polishing his nail near UNN's lake

[hardy tangle]

singing ❌

[exotic dome]

shakra sherma solos like 99% percent of hk voicelines

[fiery burrow]

quirrel

[wary storm]

miss those stuff where someone shares a bench with us

[marsh ibex]

intriguing

[subtle lynx]

Nah

[wary storm]

why was shakra standing all the time is she stupid

[hardy tangle]

name me one voice line they make that isnt them singing yeah thats what i thought

oh shit poshanka fuck

[fiery burrow]

wwho tf is blasphemer amon

[hardy tangle]

ok well shakra is obv goated but sherma is MId

[exotic dome]

idc they all speak gibberish anyways

[subtle lynx]

She doesn't say that while talking though

[marsh ibex]

a guy from a webnovel I read

[wary storm]

sherma first silksong trailer voice is fucking peak

[fiery burrow]

ordeal?

[hardy tangle]

we count quirrel kasah

[subtle lynx]

Also green prince literally sings wishing upon a star on his needolin dialogue

[hardy tangle]

and hornets shaw

[glacial kelp]

oh hey lotm reference

[subtle lynx]

The pinocchio song

[hardy tangle]

i do not remember allat

[light swan]

brooo

[earnest drift]

[scarlet karma]

lord of the mysteries?

[hardy tangle]

singing singing booring

[wary storm]

just grunting and heheheheing

[light swan]

i had homework but instead of doing it i spent an hour drawing a 3d map of mio

[glacial kelp]

that is in fact what that stands for yes

[hardy tangle]

i miss you zuma konkon

[marsh ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ksi-kyb-you-know-ball-football-soccer-gif-25963813

[subtle lynx]

Awooooo

[scarlet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-yes-hornet-nodding-gif-13688305274507930242

[hardy tangle]

maybe pharloom and hallownest speak differnt languages and pharlooms language just happens to be lame as shit

[subtle lynx]

Also wawawawawaw

[fiery burrow]

Male witch rep

[earnest drift]

poshanka

[subtle lynx]

And mooshka who says mushkara

[hardy tangle]

and the grubs with 4 recognisable cries compared to fleas 1

[wary storm]

i wish we had fleas barking

from first demo

[hardy tangle]

ok yeah mooshka has 1 voiceline thats stuck in my head

[subtle lynx]

Got em

[wary storm]

they're good but i wish there would be more interactions with fleas

[marsh ibex]

well
he’s not a witch

[hardy tangle]

but hk still has like 30 compared to silksongs 3

[marsh ibex]

But I can’t explain anything without spoiling everything

[wary storm]

like do you remember how WE ALL WE went to the grubs room

to hear them WAWAWAWWAWAing

[subtle lynx]

Pliney who says "rabin Rabin!"

[marsh ibex]

more of a liar

[wary storm]

and we could hear the progression as they wawawawaed louder on us

[hardy tangle]

and then grubfather genuinely eated them all

[fiery burrow]

He literally has the attire

[hardy tangle]

who invited my man blud

[marsh ibex]

okay and

[subtle lynx]

Idk it's a fun line

[fiery burrow]

The character design doesn't communicate who he is very effectively

[subtle lynx]

Also nuu

[marsh ibex]

the entire aesthetic is steampunk gothic frilly Cthulhu bs

[fiery burrow]

Kinda mid

[spark anchor]

Skarr speak a different language

[subtle lynx]

ULA nuuu

[subtle lynx]

😱

[marsh ibex]

this is why she left you btw

[subtle lynx]

There's actually no way

[spark anchor]

Same VA as shakra and last judge btw

[hardy tangle]

when last judge says "di-a-rrhe-a"

[earnest drift]

quirrel’s voicelines sound bad

that’s the only reason I don’t like him lol

[subtle lynx]

Btw, someone said that karmelita was singing her theme while fighting

[spark anchor]

He sounds like an entirely different dude in battle

[hardy tangle]

scraping the bottom of the barrel to hate

[subtle lynx]

Idk who said that a long time ago but they are so wrong

[spark anchor]

Compared to his regular dialogue speech

[subtle lynx]

Have they played the game

[earnest drift]

plus he stops the player from learning how to beat uumuu properly

[hardy tangle]

quirrel sounds korean

[spark anchor]

Godhome uumuu sucks

[subtle lynx]

Any uumuu sucks

All Umu suck

[marsh ibex]

I mean in practice, no, but diegetically that is what is happening

[earnest drift]

both suck but at least if Quirrel didn’t exist I wouldn’t have died to uumuu in p3

[hardy tangle]

who tf is dying to uumuu bruh

[spark anchor]

Mod that turns normal uumuu into godhome uumuu

[spark anchor]

Godhome.

[glacial kelp]

he's like a grubby thief so close enough

[spark anchor]

Normal uumuu isnt hard

[exotic dome]

i remember radiance uumuu was so annoying

[wary storm]

i hope for act 4 or some conclusion to the story

[hardy tangle]

not allat br

uumuu has never been difficult its just annoying be patient

[earnest drift]

if Quirrel ran in to deal the final blow to uumuu then I’d like him more

[subtle lynx]

This is TC we are talking about dude, they'd rather die than give conclusion to a story

[earnest drift]

bell eater sucks but bell beast dealing the final blow is peak

[spark anchor]

Bell eater has deceptively high hp

[wary storm]

i mean we had pretty strong conclusion in every ending, but not in silksong's true ending

[exotic dome]

why bell eaters head is so red

[earnest drift]

instead you have to rely on quirrel’s stupid gary stu skills to beat uumuu

[wary storm]

thats an ONLY exception and im angry

[exotic dome]

it looks modded

[spark anchor]

Makes it look really foreign

[subtle lynx]

He's evil

[wary storm]

it just shows us some fanservice and thats it yup ^__^

[spark anchor]

Really tells you that it isn’t something normal

[earnest drift]

none of the endings in either game are conclusive what

[exotic dome]

valid

[subtle lynx]

No not really

[earnest drift]

all of them are open

[wary storm]

yes they are

[exotic dome]

so its supposed to look like shit

[subtle lynx]

Never seen someone think that

[wary storm]

not as open as skong true ending

[spark anchor]

If it was desaturated hornet cloak red it wouldn’t look as unnatural

[earnest drift]

what happened between hornet and thk after embrace the void

[wary storm]

well that wasn't the "main point" of the ending

[earnest drift]

no one is shown noticing anything when the knight defeated the radiance in dream no more

[earnest drift]

what’s the main point in any of the endings

[wary storm]

main character became shade lord thats it

hollow knight's fate

[light swan]

what happened to hallownest after the radiance disappeared?

what happeneed to pharloom after gms disappeared?

[hardy tangle]

quirrel is such a bad bossfight im glad uumuu was there to help us

[earnest drift]

that in itself is very vague

[devout oracle]

even without delivering the courier's rasher, i managed to get the act 3 quest. all i needed to do is get a bellhome

[wary storm]

yup thats open enough

[hardy tangle]

hornet got jumpscared but found out thk was chill af

[earnest drift]

we don’t know why the shade lord seems to expand outwards afterwards, what happened to Hallownest

[devout oracle]

i managed to fully decorate it as well

[wary storm]

not "hello im hornet and lace now lace will laugh and hornet look at the screen thats it"

[earnest drift]

no one is grateful or even noticed that the infection stopped in dream no more

[spark anchor]

Is there really anyone else left

Aside from the guys in dirtmouth

[earnest drift]

exactly

[spark anchor]

That’s the thing hallownest is dead and the entire ending is pretty much cutting off “life” support

[earnest drift]

hk endings have always been open, acting like sister of the void is an anomaly is wild

[spark anchor]

Life in quotes because being undead isnt being alive

[devout oracle]

anyway, all i need to do is try to beat groal for the seeker soul, cuz surprise, surprise, the voltvessel shortcut from the ducts to bilewater got patched a while ago lol

[spark anchor]

Voltvessels still help in the other way

[restive ibex]

I love that the mostly likely scenario is that everyone just fucking dies in embrace the void

[spark anchor]

Choke him to death

[earnest drift]

I wish you could clawline groal’s liver while inside them

[wary storm]

we get what happened to the MAIN CHARACTER

it became shade lord thats it

[devout oracle]

from bilewater to ducts? how if i can't reach the top?

[wary storm]

same shit happened in cursed child or main silksong ending

[earnest drift]

no we don’t
it’s not explained why they decided to consume Godseeker or all of godhome or all of Hallownest (or if that even happened)

[spark anchor]

No i mean use it against groal

[wary storm]

fym we don't it became shade lord

[devout oracle]

ooooohhhhhhh....

[earnest drift]

weaver queen is like embrace the void but actually well written

[spark anchor]

Despite groal being fatter, he has LESS effective hp than phantom

[restive ibex]

I want 8 directional sharp dart 😭

[wary storm]

glazing is insane

[earnest drift]

foreshadowing is a good thing actually

[hardy tangle]

crazy how it still gets mogged by the cut ending

[devout oracle]

shade lord as in ghost lol

[earnest drift]

cut ending is equally as good imo

[wary storm]

yep we got forshadowed about shade lord like 2 times

[restive ibex]

Ngl, Weaver Queen is the Best ending rn

[earnest drift]

in shitty ways and it doesn’t make it any less ooc

[hardy tangle]

why is there no fanart of the strung to serve hornet bro

[wary storm]

we were talking about how open HKSS true ending was by the way

[spark anchor]

I’m pretty sure we most of us agree weaver queen is not a good outcome for pharloom and “hornet”

[earnest drift]

why does the knight suddenly go mad with power and decide to eat Godseeker when was this ever part of their character

[hardy tangle]

people be drawing hornet with tongues and fur but wont draw strung to serve hornet or weaver queen hornet

[spark anchor]

I’ve seen good amount of weaver queen hornet

[earnest drift]

with weaver queen we saw hornet say that the desire to dominate is baked into her blood

[wary storm]

void consumes everything yk

[devout oracle]

also, that would probably mean i'll have to use the architect crest for stuff like voltvessels, cogflies, with the pollip pouch combined

[hardy tangle]

more more more

[earnest drift]

and every single previous time hornet binded a corpse was foreshadowing

[spark anchor]

The knight has a will and controls the void

[devout oracle]

i use wanderer crest

[wary storm]

the idea of void creature ascended to the peak of its form is insane and its cool

[earnest drift]

what happened to void heart having control over the void

[spark anchor]

You don’t need pollip pouch

[wary storm]

we dont know dude

[spark anchor]

If you’re using wanderer the only red tool you want in that singular slot is flintslate. More needle damage

Cogflies sure i guess

[earnest drift]

which is exactly why embrace the void sucks

[restive ibex]

silksong ending just kind of implies it only has control over itself, otherwise it wouldn't need to cut void tendrils away from hornet/lace

[devout oracle]

aight

i also use skull mask, so yeh

[earnest drift]

all hk endings are open ended, and sister of the void is better than dream no more

[wary storm]

it would be easier to speak to the brick wall i guess

[hardy tangle]

sotv dnm etv

[spark anchor]

Just as long as you make use out of the red slot it works

Wanderer really encourages you to use the needle

[finite swift]

come to the city of steel

[devout oracle]

i've got a handful of shell shards. and i'm keeping the little hornet

[spark anchor]

Kay

[still osprey]

God I played so much silksong today

[spark anchor]

My fav red tools for groal are delver’s drill and voltvessels

Delvers drill lobotomizes stilkin when they pop up

[still osprey]

I practiced and learned so many different skips

[light swan]

stilkin are the easy part of groal

[hardy tangle]

why is it called sister of the void if nobody is sisters with anyone is team chrery stupid

[earnest drift]

I think this is the only discord server channel that gets mad at you for enjoying the game it’s about

[restive ibex]

Hornet is sister to the Knight (the void)

[devout oracle]

i only just applied the moorwing skip when i played steel soul.

[hardy tangle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/speed-ishowspeed-58

[spark anchor]

Sister = hornet
The void = little ghost

Lace is also there

She’s just watching a family reunion

[devout oracle]

i'm guessing you can fight moorwing in the room next to the greymoor bellway in act 2, right?

[spark anchor]

If moorwing doesnt appear in act 1, it appears there instead

[still osprey]

Bell Beast Phase Skip, Fourth Chorus Skip and Quick Kill, Craw Skip, Garamaless Sister Splinter Skip, Splinterbark Skip, Blasted Skip 1 and Blasted Skip 2

[devout oracle]

ok. i was stupid enough to think taking the shortcut from the bellway to the flea caravan was a good idea, until i realized this (also, yea, i still died to sister splinter in steel soul lol)

[devout oracle]

splinterbark skip?

[earnest drift]

is lace a sister of the void since she went so deep into it and saw the other side

[spark anchor]

She stared into the abyss and it said hi back

[still osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1481413460553236500/2026-03-12_00-06-56.mp4?ex=69b3394c&is=69b1e7cc&hm=31e7fde0735c26ff098d643d493c81ab152240c07b6753bab949dcefa275e799&

[fervent hawk]

yes

the wood wasps are sooo bad

[still osprey]

Unironically the bell beast phase skip is the hardest of all these

It's so precise

[hardy tangle]

when you make a joke so confusing people take it serious and start explaining the lore 💔

mb

[devout oracle]

on my 2nd playthrough, i died to bell beast twice and beat sister splinter first try
on my steel soul run, i beat bell beast first try and died to sister splinter

[hardy tangle]

who else killed the big ant dashless on their first playthrough

after 32 tries

[earnest drift]

me

I did it on my second playthrough too by parrying

[sudden ice]

i did

[spark anchor]

Me.

[earnest drift]

is parrying bad for speedkills

[sudden ice]

early hunter's march </3

[hardy tangle]

beastfly was so hard i had to leave it for later and i hate doing that

[spark anchor]

I thought hunter’s march was the intended way to dash

[hardy tangle]

after i came back it was the easiest shit ever

[sudden ice]

me too tbh

[light swan]

me

[devout oracle]

hunter's march after getting wanderer <3

[still osprey]

Early Hunter's March is so fun like genuinely

[light swan]

it made me feel good, hunters march quickly became one of my favorite areas

unfortunately in retrospect it sucks

if only they kept in my skarrsia concept

[earnest drift]

I did early hunter’s March on my first playthrough but Shakra didn’t help me in the gauntlet for some reason

[light swan]

i feel like with silk soar there should be so many new areas to explore

[spark anchor]

If you enter the midlands she wont appear

[exotic dome]

are you speedrunning

[light swan]

we couldve had so much more in hunters march but instead its far fields

[hardy tangle]

for the whole playthrough i thought we were gonna see some ant city in the citadel cus of the trailers

[light swan]

same, i was also always waiting for red coral gorge

[hardy tangle]

it was just more farfields hahahahahaha

[devout oracle]

also, on my 2nd save, i died a few times in the crawhome gauntlet, but cleared it first try on my failed steel soul run

[light swan]

i also think lower deep docks should be act 3 specific

[spark anchor]

Well you got it but it dried up in the years you waited

[light swan]

i wouldnt mind if sands of karak was act 3 specific but thats impossible cuz shakra

[exotic dome]

"it was a great place once but now it's in ruins" gimmick for like 6 times

[rocky jolt]

i think thats what they wanted to do considering where the area is in the ost

[spark anchor]

As beautiful coral gorge was yeah it would’ve been jarring to have a lushous biome that’s somehow unharmed by the citadel

[devout oracle]

as i beat the forgebrothers in act 2, i agree

[still osprey]

Not really speedrunning, just trying to get better at the game overall by learning new stuff 🫡

[light swan]

daily (?) hunters march post

[spark anchor]

Isnt hunter’s march like a nook for the skarr

Far fields is their main home

[still osprey]

Is the red square in bilewater also part of Hunter's March

[light swan]

im pretty sure hunters march is their main home and far fields is their nook

[exotic dome]

fuck it tc should give us a pre citadel pharloom dlc

[hardy tangle]

karmelita was so hard i had to do the dreaded courier quest to beat her

[light swan]

no that was a color reference, also thats farfields

[spark anchor]

What’s bad about that

You can get pale steel needle at the start of act 3

[still osprey]

Wait that's far fields bro I don't fucking know pharloom hello

[light swan]

THIS is bilewater

or maybe purewater

[undone gate]

So you did the courier quest with voided enemies

[hardy tangle]

dreaded means i didnt want to do it

[still osprey]

Pharloom Bay found dead

[light swan]

pharloom bay moved to replace wormways

[devout oracle]

hmmm... does the hunter's march climb without the silk soar still work?
i did see on yt that you can pogo off a stick and faydown over karmelita's statue using the beast crest

[light swan]

wormwarys doesnt deserve to exist

[hardy tangle]

yeah

[still osprey]

Anything to get rid of wormways 🙏

[light swan]

also found verdania exists

[still osprey]

What about Red Coral Gorge

[spark anchor]

The Far Fields are home to the Skarr, ant-like hunters who inhabited the land long before Grand Mother Silk
wiki quote from Far Fields
Hunter's March is the border for the territory of the Skarr tribe; a series of tunnels acting both as an entrance to their territory and travel for the Skarr's hunters and warriors, allowing them to move about the fields below and nearby the area.
Wiki quote from Hunter’s March

[hardy tangle]

i was so disappointed with clover dancers

[light swan]

aw :( i dont like to know that

[spark anchor]

For now.

[undone gate]

They really need an extra phace

[devout oracle]

that's an interesting fanmap of both hallownest and pharloom combined

[spark anchor]

Yea fam i thought the same too but karmelita being in far fields made it more sense to me

[light swan]

not yet

[still osprey]

TROBBIO'S TROUPE 🔥 ✍️

[light swan]

i feel like theres not much to improve it on

[spark anchor]

Where’d the pic that extended even further and included the citadel from half life 2

[crude geyser]

Would it be easier to beat SK as the knight or HK as hornet gameplay wise ?

[restive ibex]

Why tf is hallownest right next door

[light swan]

this is already plenty big and if i had to improve it idk what id do

[hardy tangle]

imagine instead of the cogwork dancers where if 1 dies the other gives up, the phanom green prince disappears and alive green prince gets mad asf and attacks really fast

[light swan]

at least there were was lore and space behind verdania

[rocky jolt]

steeleville

[spark anchor]

If we assume certain hk bosses dealt double damage to compensate for hornet’s mobility, hk bosses as hornet still

[devout oracle]

i'm proud to be a "far fields frontier leading to pharloom bay" believer

[light swan]

and bilewater and hunters march, they all had places they could expand

[exotic dome]

it's big but it needs rework

to become coral gorge

[spark anchor]

Yes, false knight will deal double damage to hornet for fairness

[light swan]

red coral gorge is pretty much filled and i dont want to expand down

[devout oracle]

that's just failed champion

[light swan]

nor do i want to replace existing stuff

[undone gate]

It would be cool if the alive prince only did the tornado attack indefinitely but is also vulnerable

[still osprey]

I feel like Bilewater expanded will just be, Pharloom Bay

[spark anchor]

Great and enraged conchfly both deal double damage on contact

[still osprey]

God I'm so excited for sea of sorrow

[exotic dome]

this just looks amazing

[devout oracle]

HUNGER FIELD 🔥

[spark anchor]

Just moisturize coral steps and seas of karak

[restive ibex]

With maggot water preferably

[devout oracle]

barnacle bay
spongebob ahh location

[light swan]

like look at this

[earnest drift]

do you think the void ocean contains water

[undone gate]

A lot of Silksong bosses have double contact damage

[light swan]

then look at this

[light swan]

thats a really crazy size difference

[spark anchor]

If we go off scrapped assets, pharloom bay would be around mid-bilewater

[exotic dome]

did you mke these

[light swan]

yea ik where pharloom bay should be

[restive ibex]

Yes.

[exotic dome]

it looks very original

[earnest drift]

so can hornet electrocute void tendrils with voltvessels

[light swan]

pharloom bay is definitely going where my biggerwater is going but idc

[restive ibex]

Sure why not

[spark anchor]

She can in previous patches

[light swan]

but what about map design

i wont go back to change whats already been done, ive never done that

[restive ibex]

Electrocute implies death

[light swan]

but i also dont have anywhere logical to expand

[spark anchor]

Mmm i dunno

[rocky jolt]

what if the big rectangular rooms were just one filled with a bunch of groals

[spark anchor]

Add more stuff around coral tower

[light swan]

i dont want to expand down since blasted steps kind of starts as a floor and rises

[light swan]

theres space for like, 2 rooms max

[spark anchor]

Something to connect mt fay and karak

I’m pretty sure you know about that one ledge to the right of coral tower that has NOTHING

[spark anchor]

That’s what I was talking about LMAO

[fiery burrow]

Sometimes I wish Bilewater was infinitely looping li ke the mist so I could spend more time in it 😔 #relatable

[light swan]

yep, but making a connection isnt big enough to put effort in imo

[rocky jolt]

3 half life chapters is insane

[spark anchor]

The combine establishes the citadel

[restive ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shmil-s-half-life-combine-pick-up-that-can-can-gif-22262138

[rocky jolt]

i love the map that straight up has the seven circles of hell