sk-discussion

[mossy radish]

the only thing that unites silksong players is hating on reapers crest

[smoky bridge]

You can also carry delver's drill to pogo with :)

[exotic cedar]

Silksoar in lugoli area

[tight hull]

what

[mossy radish]

reapers crest is ASS

[subtle lynx]

I don't count red tools when discussing crests generally

[smoky bridge]

That's stupid. That's what the slots are for.

[tight viper]

one sec

[subtle lynx]

sure, but they are separate from the crest itself

[smoky bridge]

Some crests make better use of some tools.

[verbal steeple]

cursed crest is the best crest

[subtle lynx]

and I think they are overall unbalanced and shouldn't count since they are a limited resource

[verbal steeple]

loddie is so powerful he can break the cursed crest and give u a tool

[smoky bridge]

Beast crest is gonna give you more love for Flintslate, than say, Reaper.

But less benefit from Flea Brew, if you are raging.

[verbal steeple]

reaper will make u love flea brew

[tight viper]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XWUN2Ckba9E?si=zdhR756c6s_bul8I

[exotic cedar]

His dumbass should fix pharloom

[tight hull]

I had to pass bilewater with it just to get this stupid mask shard

[verbal steeple]

i mean i can't tell why anyone wouldn't love flea brew

[smoky bridge]

((still not bad, bonus movement speed helps with keeping pressure))

[exotic dome]

it did

[verbal steeple]

i wish flea brew was slightly better with hunter

[smoky bridge]

Wanderer doesn't benefit that much actually.

[tawny dome]

Why won't it work for me 😭

[tight hull]

I didn't know that

[tight viper]

What version are you on

[subtle lynx]

I've never used it

[verbal steeple]

i'm 99% sure flea brew is a 15% extra attack speed boost on hunter/witch
,25% on architect, beast.
35% on wanderer, reaper.

[tight hull]

flea beer

[verbal steeple]

wanderer just becomes so fast u can't control it so better to use flintslate

[smoky bridge]

Wanderer and Beast (fury) both hit a speed cap with brew. From what I remember.

[verbal steeple]

hunter and witch don't get a significant boost.

[tight viper]

Smh my head you forgot Shaman smh

[verbal steeple]

i don't think wanderer does but the insane knockback just makes it not worth it

[smoky bridge]

Weighted belt helps.

[verbal steeple]

yeah but u should just use flintslate and like another red tool at that point

[smoky bridge]

I like all crests tbh.
Except reaper. Too slow for my liking.

Good for Beastfly 2 tho.

[verbal steeple]

easier to control and lowkey better

[tight hull]

whats yall fav shopkeeper

[verbal steeple]

i like cursed crest more than reaper

[rocky jolt]

pollip maiden

[tight viper]

It's not very well known

[smoky bridge]

12th architect :)

[verbal steeple]

maybe my 4 hours of cursed crest high halls gauntlet has given me stockholm syndrom but

i don't mind cursed crest

[tight viper]

Kinda like the Shaman dash cancel

[subtle lynx]

the girl from bellheart because she sells multbinder

[verbal steeple]

forge daughter

[tight viper]

Grindle because he sells the Snitch Pick

[candid linden]

Hello Friends!

[verbal steeple]

forge daughter silkshot is the silkshot that mostly acts like a gun

[tight hull]

whats that

[subtle lynx]

but it is not the best one

[verbal steeple]

architect is just. too bad to even use for fun. weaver is kinda boring honestly.

like. "OOO look at me i'm using the WEAVER SILKSHOT."

[subtle lynx]

idk, it's a friggin laser

[smoky bridge]

You can also control how far you go with Beast Crest Dash attack, and the Needle Strike.

[verbal steeple]

be original and use the forge daughter silkshot

[subtle lynx]

and free

[exotic cedar]

Don't use silkshots

[verbal steeple]

yeah i want a fucking gun not a laser gun

[weak hornet]

Grindle he sells what u didnt buy in act one and 2 he sells in 3

[smoky bridge]

Beast crest has an obscene amount of control over it's special moves.

[exotic cedar]

Use something else... like stingshards

[tight viper]

Blue tool that buffs the Clawline. Gives it a third hit that does 25% of your nail damage and causes an enemy to drop rosaries and shell shards. The rosaries are subtracted from their drop pool, the shell shards are spawned out of thin air, making them effectively infinite. Doesn't work in memories

[verbal steeple]

i would rather use rosary cannon than ever touch architect silkshot or weaver silkshot ever again

[minor sparrow]

Sure but I like how weaver feels better, tbh

[smoky bridge]

Weaver silksoth is the best tho.

[verbal steeple]

that was fixed in the beta

[exotic cedar]

Very fun and easy to use. The design is very human

[verbal steeple]

yeah but i don't like it

it aint a gun its just a laser

[tight viper]

You've gotta be fucking kidding me

[subtle lynx]

also, who was shitting on reaper

[tight viper]

Damn it

[smoky bridge]

The damage was reduced, no?

[verbal steeple]

the infinite shell shards? i'm not sure. i'm talking about it not working in memories

[tight viper]

I could've had my beloved Snitch Pick be doing something this whole damn time

[verbal steeple]

snitch pick works in memories in the beta pretty sure

[smoky bridge]

Oh, lmao.

[tight viper]

Well, I've still gotta do First Sinner and Khann

[verbal steeple]

it was fixed

[tight viper]

I can get something out of it

But FUCK, that would've helped against that stupid deer

[verbal steeple]

honestly snitch pick is kinda over glazed from its fans and overhated by its haters

[smoky bridge]

I don't like snitch pick...

But I'm also mainly playing Beast crest So blue slots are preem.

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-knight-gif-10095168295952009600

[smoky bridge]

I do have it on Wanderer tho.

[subtle lynx]

I forgot beast crest does that for some reason

[tight viper]

Counterpoint: It's shaped like an S so it belongs at the top of S tier

[subtle lynx]

I'd switch the red tools for blue ones every day

[smoky bridge]

You get one

[exotic cedar]

Theres no limit to the glaze

[smoky bridge]

Nah, Reds are super important for beast for various reasons.

[exotic cedar]

I always run snitch pick when i run witch

[subtle lynx]

I don't use red tools, so it would apply to all crests for me

[smoky bridge]

Flintslate is a must because you want to pile on more damage.

[smoky bridge]

That's kinda dumb but ok.

[rocky jolt]

snitch pick is quite good with the harpoon crest

[verbal steeple]

i might replace injector band at times with another blue tool but this is my most used architect build

[subtle lynx]

they are not fun and are overpowered

[tight hull]

harpoon crest?

[smoky bridge]

I swap my blues a lot.

[minor sparrow]

I honestly play to its speed. It's like a murder but both people take it at their own pace

[exotic dome]

beta

[smoky bridge]

Well. My blue

[subtle lynx]

I enjoy much more the base silksong combat with skills and it feels more rewarding

[verbal steeple]

i wish beast crest had MORE blue slots

[smoky bridge]

I only get one.

[verbal steeple]

like beast crest could be SOOO much more fun with more blue slots

but that one blue slot just limits creativity

[rocky jolt]

the devs are so smart for making rosary cannon not work with craft bind that makes the tool so useful

[smoky bridge]

I mean. With Beast crest it's really just pop flintslate
And occasional drilling.

[tight viper]

Fixing the map is probably one of the "various minor fixes and tweaks" listed on the wiki. Does the Delver's Drill room also get included on the map now?

[smoky bridge]

Or blueberry juice injections.

[rocky jolt]

why does the combat crest have 2 dedicated yellow slots

[tight viper]

The wiki discord would probably want to learn about that if they don't know already

[verbal steeple]

imo it should have 1 yellow slot and 1 blue slot

[subtle lynx]

ig it would have been too good

[verbal steeple]

with vesti crest it would have 2 blue slots and 2 yellow slots and 2 red slots and 1 white slot

[smoky bridge]

The bind is really good.

[minor sparrow]

I'd actually like that

[tight viper]

Beast with two blues would be nuts

[minor sparrow]

Ik you can modify some crest slots with mods

[rocky jolt]

no becuz beast crest is kinda eh

[verbal steeple]

2 blue slots is enough to get u thinkin of combos. but i don't think it would be THAT broken

[restive ibex]

Beast is fine without extra blues

[tight hull]

😭

[minor sparrow]

Idk if you can outright switch though

[verbal steeple]

and honestly if it makes it too broken? fuck it. let people be broken

[tight viper]

Injector and Sawtooth are already incredibly good on Beast

[subtle lynx]

it is not

[smoky bridge]

But yeah I think it having one blue one yellow would be interesting.
But It kinda... Don't need it.

[rocky jolt]

or just unfun

[tight viper]

The bugs you fight would become just as broken as the crest

[verbal steeple]

i don't find beast crest unfun but i would find it more fun if i just had ONE more blue slot

[tight viper]

They're not walking that shit off anytime soon

[smoky bridge]

Beast Crest already shreds.

[tiny minnow]

add a purple one which can have either but remove one spot from blue and new crest bam

[minor sparrow]

But think of injector AND sawtooth

[restive ibex]

Beast is already borderline broken

Trust

[tight viper]

I am, and it terrifies me

[smoky bridge]

Tbh All that would change is I'd get to have both spool extender and circlet at the same time.

[verbal steeple]

like. clawmirrors seems like such a good pick for beast since u are binding alot. but circlet is just soo good.

[subtle lynx]

it is kinda braindead in combat

[verbal steeple]

and DRUID'S EYES might ACTUALLY be A BIT decent with beast

[smoky bridge]

They are good.

[verbal steeple]

since u can tactically take damage in order to extend the duration of the bind

[verbal steeple]

i spread druid's eyes slander

[smoky bridge]

But I don't enjoy the mindless face tanking it facilitates.

[verbal steeple]

i hate druid's eyes

[smoky bridge]

No, they are exclusively good on beast.

[verbal steeple]

it should just outright give u silk idc

[smoky bridge]

I don't think any other crest benefits from them.

[subtle lynx]

I love druids eyes

[verbal steeple]

why the fuck do i have slime on my spool GIVE ME DIRECT SILK

[exotic dome]

i'd agree if it was a yellow tool

[smoky bridge]

I agree.

[subtle lynx]

its gonna do it, it just needs another hit

[minor sparrow]

Yeah, for you, but the creativity for others is great especially if they want to move with mirrors or something like that for full damage

[north hedge]

about to do the cursed ending wish me luck

[restive ibex]

[tight hull]

close enough, welcome back grubsong

[tight viper]

I guess Reaper benefits, since mots Reaper users are probably getting hit fairly often

[verbal steeple]

why the hell did problem blob spit on hornet's spool

[smoky bridge]

I know I know, I'm just thinking about it.

[subtle lynx]

luck, it took me an hour

[minor sparrow]

It'd be pretty funny to see beast just nuking enemies health

[frosty grove]

hi

[restive ibex]

No

[frosty grove]

ok

[verbal steeple]

beast crest seems like the crest that should actually be build with a nuke

[smoky bridge]

Nah, Reaper can keep you very safe with the consistent movement and longer lingering hitboxes.

[north hedge]

i got 7 masks should i get more

[verbal steeple]

like yeah witch crest is the usual nuke build. but you're also constantly binding with beast

[subtle lynx]

I got all 9 masks, but in the end I only got hit once in the whole fight

[verbal steeple]

so beast crest should theoritically be a nuke build type of crest but the lack of blue slots don't help that

[subtle lynx]

you should be fine, it just takes some time

[verbal steeple]

like u COULD equip claw mirrors but you'd be missing out on circlet

[north hedge]

alr

[smoky bridge]

I prefer not to grab mirrors, cause they incentivise risky binding, and I value upkeep of fury more than the extra damage.

[minor sparrow]

I think of beast crest as extended burst, if that makes sense

[verbal steeple]

idk. since beast crest bind is so fast it makes sense that you would use claw mirrors

[restive ibex]

Why do you need a nuke that big when it already absolutely shreds

[smoky bridge]

I actually usually run emergency bind once I get it, purely because I think circlet is a bit broken.

[minor sparrow]

Shred faster

[verbal steeple]

infact with another blue slot u could have injector band + claw mirror and be a fast nuke

[verbal steeple]

because why not

why not have a nuke button on your shreader.

[minor sparrow]

Or you could use something else, it's not like you're locked into nuking lol

[verbal steeple]

But its so cool

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[restive ibex]

Mobility tools are king, hornet deals too much damage already 💪

[verbal steeple]

silk anklet+fleabrew should allow hornet to do contact damage if she gains enough momentum

just turns the bugs into a paste of silk on the ground

[restive ibex]

Not the shinespark 😭

[minor sparrow]

A-train hornet

[thin charm]

just wait until you have to get an even higher score

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-sawtooth-circlet-sawtooth-circlet-gif-9051854759941621799

[tight hull]

the word is ending and the fleas are getting drunk and playing games

[verbal steeple]

hornet beating seth while GMS cries for her lost child

oh wait wrong reply lmao

[minor sparrow]

Irl there's definitely people throwing parties at the end of the world

[old thicket]

No idea what my times are for individual bosses, but regarding silksong, ||Lost lace is definitely the one I’ve been stuck on the longest||

[minor sparrow]

I'd probably join them. Sounds like a fun time ngl

[minor sparrow]

All good

[tight hull]

this flea dodge is cruel

[neat python]

How come whenever I look at this channel, everyone is just discussing silksong.

Give it a rest

[restive ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1431801682152656906/caption.gif

[thin charm]

there was a prophecy about it

[terse cloak]

i now know why people despise trobbio

[earnest drift]

i love silksong it's so much better than hollow knight

[terse cloak]

so few times to ATTACK

[thin charm]

people despise trobbio?

[terse cloak]

despise his fight

[exotic dome]

crestslop

[tight hull]

most of times theyre not even talking about silksong nor hollow knight in general

[thin charm]

i've not heard this opinion

[neat python]

Silksong is just a ds2 clone

[terse cloak]

its been voiced alot in here

anyway, BACK TO TROBBIO

[tight hull]

I love both trobbios fight

[spare isle]

Groal the Great

[thin charm]

well i've heard of people not liking his fight simply because it's too flashy

[thin charm]

not because of the fight design itself

[tight hull]

trobbio the great

[exotic dome]

it has a lot of similarities but it's not that bad

[restive ibex]

I think the visual mess is the point

[neat python]

Can't spell groal the great without great

[peak flare]

sharpdart is so goated

[neat python]

What's that

[dim arch]

What?! He’s one of the most fun bosses in the game 😭

[restive ibex]

Yes, favourite skill

[thin charm]

can't spell Disgraced Chef Lugoli without (the) flu

[peak flare]

silk skill

[cerulean sable]

guys SotV's credit music still destroys me 😔

[dim arch]

Is Trobbio 2 supposed to be an easy fight guys? Cus I beat him first try.

[restive ibex]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1982919982842609902

Lidemi (@Phelfar)

Moorwing boss, beast crest, all upgrades, broken needle.

Silksong is hella fun

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[leaden delta]

trobbio is just fucking annoying

[cerulean sable]

itas a whole "depends" kinda deal cuz some people cant deal with Trobbio

i like the chaos personally

though i do think they should tone the VFX

[terse cloak]

oh yeah fights fun, just finding openings to hit is a bit annoying

[minor sparrow]

Genuinely one of my favorite tracks in SS

[neat python]

Trobbiooooooo🗿🍷☕️

[tight hull]

idk got it about 3rd try

[leaden delta]

You can’t aggro in a fun way, my eyes fucking hurt when fighting that guy

shit just sucks

[minor sparrow]

I really like repose as well or whatever the Act 3 bench music was called

I get reprieve and repose confused sometimes

[exotic dome]

thats why i like trobbio 1 more than tormented

[cerulean sable]

i think Choral Chambers shouldve gotten the SLOWED and REVERBED treatment in A3

[terse cloak]

bro t-posed on my BODY WHEN I DIED

[exotic dome]

choral chambers (slowed + reverb)

[minor sparrow]

Doesn't it have more echo? I forgot

[cerulean sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2eIk3Sbbjg

iirc

it loses the choirs

[tight hull]

whats iirc

[cerulean sable]

and it does get more reverby and echoey

[minor sparrow]

If I recall/remember correctly

[near mirage]

chorla chambers phonk edit ☠️

[cerulean sable]

am i too old for the zoomer era not to know what iirc is smh

its "if i remember correctly"

[restive ibex]

"It is really cold"

[exotic dome]

i know it's gonna be peak

[minor sparrow]

Burning at the stake scheduled 5 hours from now

[subtle lynx]

idk, act 3 already sucks enough

[tight hull]

no is just that english is not my first language lol

[leaden delta]

Oh I don’t like trobbio 1 either

[terse cloak]

i feel stupid that i keep losing to trobbio

[subtle lynx]

we already don't get the major choral chambers

I think it's enough

[neat python]

😂😂😂😂😂

[dusky bobcat]

what?

[subtle lynx]

trobbio sucks

[near mirage]

whispering vaults sad tuff emo phonk edit 💀 💀

[subtle lynx]

one of the worst boss fights

[neat python]

Tuff

[tight hull]

trobbio is like a pokemon that knows only his name

[near mirage]

joe metri dash

[exotic dome]

el jibbity

[near mirage]

so all of them

[minor sparrow]

We should bring back tar and feathering lowkey

[earnest drift]

trobbio is one of the best bossfights

[terse cloak]

YOU CAN HIT THE PROJECTILES AWAY????

[fiery burrow]

Verdania In An Imaginary Place...

[dusky bobcat]

that refers to almost all of them

[subtle lynx]

no one acrtually thinks this

[terse cloak]

sorry just learned a mechanic to this fight

[leaden delta]

I think they’re just annoying fucking fights

[minor sparrow]

Eh

[earnest drift]

i do

[subtle lynx]

they are just blinded by the character itself

[earnest drift]

easy A tier fight

[subtle lynx]

the fight is ass

[fiery burrow]

Trobbio is fun wtf

[leaden delta]

they aren’t particularly interesting

[tight hull]

yeah, you can hit trobbios explosive balls

[earnest drift]

especially compared to hollow knight's bosses

[restive ibex]

Where TF is Sharpe. If he don't show up in sea of sorrows I'm gonna GARAMA

[fiery burrow]

Silksong slander has gone too far

[exotic dome]

it's a tier for me too

[subtle lynx]

no not really

[exotic cedar]

Trobbio is good

[earnest drift]

[exotic cedar]

One of the few silksong bosses that i actually like

[earnest drift]

wtf does hk have? traitor lord? boring

grimm is so slow

[north hedge]

almost did it on my first

[fiery burrow]

we are NOT retroactively glazing HK bosses

[exotic dome]

(base game hk has no bosses btw)

[exotic cedar]

Team cherry doesn't have that many good bosses

[earnest drift]

[dusky bobcat]

i love trobbio as a character but hate the tornado attack bc my fists instinct is “parry it”

[north hedge]

tormented trobbio is the 2nd best boss in the game

[tight hull]

I don't like traitor lord but I like hk more than silksong

[leaden delta]

why r we bringing up TLORD as our example

[subtle lynx]

I forgot you were a ragebaiter

[exotic dome]

fighthing him with cross stitch makes it so easy

[earnest drift]

because all hk bosses are shit so i chose one of the less shit ones

[terse cloak]

well the good news is, got trobbio to half health

[verbal steeple]

Trobbio is Grimm slop

[terse cloak]

bad news? first phase

[minor sparrow]

Honestly agree on that front but I'd pro ably put him like mid to high b

[exotic cedar]

Silksong bosses are shit too

[fiery burrow]

Guys don't choose Traitor Lord choose the good HK bosses like ummm dream warriors or brooding mawlek

[terse cloak]

heh.... explosive balls

[exotic cedar]

Half/more than half of them

[earnest drift]

not as shit as hk bosses

[verbal steeple]

silksong and hollow knight are shit

[smoky bridge]

All bosses are shit, games are bad.

[minor sparrow]

Good? Dream warriors?

[tight hull]

trobbios crustynuts

[exotic cedar]

Poop vs shit

[verbal steeple]

the game is shit stop playing it

everything is badslop

[dusky bobcat]

i feel like they couldve done more with the bossfight(s) as TT feels like what trobbio second phase should have been

[exotic dome]

everyone delete silksong in 10 seconds ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[leaden delta]

hold on I forget where I put each thing I should reference my tierlist

[exotic cedar]

Team cherry should have focused on few bosses and making them great quality instead of adding random ass ones

[fiery burrow]

Eh

[exotic cedar]

Like what the fuck is lugoli and watcher at the edge

[peak flare]

watcher at the edge

[restive ibex]

We pretending we don't like NKG and PV now

[leaden delta]

I mean I guess ss bosses r more consistent

[exotic dome]

silksong has the best bosses and the worst ones

[fiery burrow]

Lugoli is good

[tight hull]

everyone that plays silksong should destroy their devices

[minor sparrow]

Actually I enjoyed watcher, I just wish it's arena wasn't huge

[smoky bridge]

I feel like only a few of the SS bosses are bad.

Watcher and Unraveled come to mind.

[leaden delta]

But ss doesn’t have anything particularly good either

[fiery burrow]

I'd rather have like 40 B-A tier fights with some S tier fights in the late game than 10 S tier fights

[smoky bridge]

And even then Watcher isn't bad he's just mid.

[exotic cedar]

Lugoli is pretty lame and boring

[leaden delta]

or like. On the same level of the best hk shit

[tight hull]

ass jim

[subtle lynx]

first sinner:

[exotic cedar]

Having more bosses just makes the world more alive

[fiery burrow]

Lugoli got some good momentum idk how to explain it

[smoky bridge]

I really enjoyed First Sinner, Karmelita and Nyleth.

[dusky bobcat]

also needs more attacks than “slash!” and “kirby up b”

[exotic dome]

best hk shit is absrad, pure vessel and grimm. silksong has like 6 s tier bosses

[subtle lynx]

it is a good fight dw

[peak flare]

true

[leaden delta]

Government psyop istg

[fiery burrow]

You get it

[exotic cedar]

I want to have a long and cool bossfight that makes my heart beat so fast

[subtle lynx]

you don't have to explain yourself

[subtle lynx]

yeah, it's like skull tyrant

[peak flare]

reaper crest goated

[subtle lynx]

it's just fun and fast

[fiery burrow]

You don't get it 💔

[restive ibex]

Base game critical path bosses had to be relatively easy so that "double damage" crybabies could finish the game

[exotic dome]

lugoli is broodmother if it was good

[smoky bridge]

Skull tyrant is a good early game boss.

[dusky bobcat]

shh before they make sharpe the next NKG

[subtle lynx]

my man I used to agree with you on everything

[tight hull]

skull tyrant is a really good early game boss fight

[subtle lynx]

why skull tyrant hate

[subtle lynx]

ikr!

[smoky bridge]

They should have replaced Moss mother with Skull tyrant.

[exotic cedar]

Skull tyrant 🥱

[smoky bridge]

Just remove Moss Mother.

[leaden delta]

first sinner is sooo so so so goddamn overrated

[exotic dome]

mfs compare skull tyrant with nkg

[exotic cedar]

Widow is better

[fiery burrow]

I wound up fighting Skull Tyrant in like the midgame on all my playthroughs

[leaden delta]

people like it bc it’s fast that shit quite simply isn’t that interesting

[tribal scroll]

What 😭

[terse cloak]

my favorites have been widow and cogwork dancers

[fiery burrow]

Idk if he was easy to find in the marrow and an early game fight I probably wouldn't mind him as much

[tribal scroll]

Skull tyrant has like 2 moves bruh

[leaden delta]

Dash attack! Dash attack! Clawline! Clawline! Dash! Dash attack! Kill me dawg

[smoky bridge]

Not a bad boss, but she is like... Curse of the tutorial boss.

[light swan]

i found chasing to be fun even if its not interesting

[dusky bobcat]

i like lugoli as a boss, also not bad with wreath, very manageable

[light swan]

dash attacking and clawlining in between her attacks are fun

[sharp slate]

fast, clean moveset, good amount of health, decent complexity, decently hard for hitless consisently, shes pretty nice

[light swan]

not much complexity

[sharp slate]

complexity comes from overlapping attacks imo

[light swan]

eh yea thats kinda true

[leaden delta]

im sending it again cuz yall r pissing me off

[smoky bridge]

First Sinner is a simple, good boss. I like the fact that her heal incentivised keeping pressure.

[exotic dome]

only bad thing about first sinner is her reward

[leaden delta]

maybe I should make another boss list. But I simply don’t care enough tbh

[light swan]

this playstyle against her is really fun

[smoky bridge]

Fuckin ZOTE?

[tight hull]

for a moment I was like, whats lace and zote doing here in the same tierlist

[exotic cedar]

I should remake my tierlist

[light swan]

whats pissing you off

[smoky bridge]

Hate that fucker. Screen cancer.

[light swan]

us having different opinions from you?

[exotic cedar]

I'm more hateful now

[restive ibex]

Is this a silk post?

[fiery burrow]

I mean its just fun to weave through all the cool and flashy combos she gets up too

[rocky jolt]

reality of a tpslop boss

[tribal scroll]

NKG is an interesting placement

[fiery burrow]

Clawline is also pretty fun

[peak flare]

wait is the big skarr guy actually a boss? i always thought he was a miniboss

[exotic cedar]

And absrad isnt my favorite anymore

[sharp slate]

i only have one complain about fight in specific and it is that one of her combos is insanely hard to dodge

[smoky bridge]

Zote is entirely too much bullshit on the screen in an annoying way.

[exotic dome]

markoth

[verbal steeple]

it isn't a boss

it appears like 3 different times as a mini boss/big enemy

[subtle lynx]

yeah I hate zote

[versed current]

I will flip a coin
If heads
Lace goes to f tier

[leaden delta]

ordered btw

[white sail]

@versed current tails

[versed current]

DANG IT

[verbal steeple]

if its considered a boss then so is that rosary flinging enemy in shellw ood

[sharp slate]

i get how people like absrad, but i personally fucking hate it, maybe its just trauma from too much p5

[tribal scroll]

I think my annoyance with his character translates to the boss fight and makes me play against him worse

[versed current]

rigged

[tight hull]

what really caught me in the 1st sinner fight is that is the same theme as widow, also some similar attacks

[exotic cedar]

Gpz is like the first/second best boss of team cherry

[bold heart]

larp

[tight hull]

thats so good

[dusky bobcat]

itd be nice if they chained together more smoothly, make it feel like a dance instead of constantly chasing after her every 2nd attack, but i still love the bossfight

[verbal steeple]

i don't see why NKG would be lower than grimm

[leaden delta]

Very interesting and fresh boss, challenges make it awesome

[exotic cedar]

Normal grimm is actually very fun with ab

[verbal steeple]

i mean even if NKG is just. (grimm but harder) i think he should still be atleast on top of normal grimm

[leaden delta]

solely cuz tmg goes by faster and also I think the aggro is very slightly more fun but idk

[tight hull]

daniel but cooler

[exotic cedar]

Punishing with narts is fun

[north hedge]

did cursed ending 2nd try!!!!

im so happy

[tribal scroll]

Are you counting aesthetic, arena, and OST? Or just the boss moveset itself

[earnest drift]

this is what my A tier of bosses looks like
bosses further to the left and higher are better

[peak flare]

steel soul is hell

[earnest drift]

as you can see trobbio is better than white defender

[fiery burrow]

I don't mind chasing her because dash attacks/clawline are pretty interesting in this game with the way they bump you up in the air n stuff

[north hedge]

Nkg and trobbio being that low is criminal

[tight hull]

I need like, abot 40 tries for that😭lol

[exotic cedar]

We should burn clover dancers

[fiery burrow]

It gives it a good flow where the boss goes on the offensive and then you go on the offensive

[verbal steeple]

i might be feeling a bit of anger at that zote placement but the khann placement makes cancels it out

[light swan]

im just happy lost kin is high up

[fiery burrow]

Not really something HK1 had

[tribal scroll]

Where's the tier list at 👀

[dusky bobcat]

i think they should give lost lace the speed of lace 2

[exotic dome]

clover dancers tier is so true

[exotic cedar]

Its truth nuke

[tight hull]

wheres that

[peak flare]

just a copy of cogwork dancers

[tribal scroll]

I think he's in hunters March, gurr the outcast or smth

[verbal steeple]

where would dual moss mother be in this tier list

[peak flare]

and its still easy enough to beat in first try

[earnest drift]

is pure vessel a copy of thk

[tribal scroll]

Yesn't

[north hedge]

he's in far feilds i you can track him after beating karmalita

[verbal steeple]

pure vessel is THK but with some different movesets

[tight hull]

I still need to beat her 😔

[verbal steeple]

and also faster i think

[earnest drift]

how different

[tribal scroll]

Prime THK (still loses to baby knight)

[dusky bobcat]

they remixed the attacks but not really adding anything new besides the void tendrils

[earnest drift]

they gain 2 attacks iirc

[terse cloak]

i need to take a break from trobbio

[verbal steeple]

well he has a void tendrel attack. he has rune rage.

[terse cloak]

i'll try to fight him again tomorrow

[peak flare]

focus attack?

[tight hull]

never😼

[verbal steeple]

his slash attack has an extra slash i think

[leaden delta]

also I forgot. Put first sinner two tiers lower

[restive ibex]

Pretty sure they're all the same age

[dusky bobcat]

oh and rune rage ahh

[verbal steeple]

damn

[subtle lynx]

trobbio in S tier

[earnest drift]

trobbio is a great boss

[subtle lynx]

is there a more irrelevant boss fightin the game than trobbio

[verbal steeple]

i don't like trobbio

[subtle lynx]

like does anyone actually mention him

[earnest drift]

only worse than hk's S tiers

[subtle lynx]

does anyone else aknowdelge his existence

[exotic dome]

karmelita is the best boss in the franchise

[verbal steeple]

trobbio isn't a bad boss i just hate the dude for existing

[earnest drift]

he is required for all endings

[restive ibex]

Trobbio solos granny silk

[subtle lynx]

I'm talking in the world of pharloom

[dusky bobcat]

move hk down a tier, hes just a gateway boss

[subtle lynx]

???

[exotic cedar]

I can't find that hk + sk bosses tierlist

[verbal steeple]

the best boss in the franchise is between sheo and khann imo

[earnest drift]

yeah he's filler

but he's funny

[subtle lynx]

he's more than that

[tight hull]

green grapes

[dusky bobcat]

i do

[peak flare]

probably great conchflies

[subtle lynx]

he doesn't exist

[earnest drift]

he's better filler than traitor lord

[subtle lynx]

no, nuu at least talks about them

[verbal steeple]

i get the feeling u hate traitor lord lace

[subtle lynx]

who talks about trobbio in the game

[earnest drift]

i like him actually

[dusky bobcat]

broodmother

[north hedge]

thematicly it's amazing that's why they're there

[tight hull]

himself

[earnest drift]

low A tier for me

[restive ibex]

Let's remove everything that's not "filler." We got, heart bosses, lace and gma silk. That's the whole game now.

[subtle lynx]

traitor lord is related to the game in a heavy way

[dusky bobcat]

oh are we also counting lore?

[earnest drift]

bell beast is kind of relevant

[finite swift]

hi guys hi hi hii

[earnest drift]

actually she's not nvm

[subtle lynx]

she's the whole reason the slab exists and there's some characters related to her like the baby or the person who posted the quest to kill her

[earnest drift]

how

his lore is so convoluted

[peak flare]

she made the slab enemies

[restive ibex]

Naw he's just convenience based, excepting the need to leave the slab

[exotic dome]

does trobbio have a lore

[earnest drift]

did he go to the garden's first or did his daughter
how did his daughter die
how did her death affect him

[tight hull]

but you can like literally miss unravelled if you don't go search for the surgeron(or whatever is called) key

[subtle lynx]

it isn't and he's heavily involved with one of the major tribes of the game and his own area, queens gardens

like as I said NO ONE talks about trobbio

[earnest drift]

he tries to keep spirits up during the fall of pharloom by killing people on stage

[subtle lynx]

he is not relevant outside his bossfight

and his poster

[earnest drift]

trobbio is just more charming ig

[tight hull]

trobbio got about 5 voiclines saying trobbio

[rocky jolt]

i am a silksong player from bilewater and this is my (totally not generic) top 5 bosses
first sinner karmellita lost lace pure vessel sisters of battle

[subtle lynx]

literally outside the room he is in, there's no proof of his existence

[earnest drift]

[dusky bobcat]

also 4th chorus because it just kinda… gets killed. Easier than lace 1 tbh

[subtle lynx]

which pisses me off, because he is an important boss lorewise

[raw pawn]

Omg dude gms is so fucking hard without any needle or mask upgrades (Speedrunning the game)

[earnest drift]

is he??

[exotic dome]

not everything has to be niche 💔

[subtle lynx]

no, he has a section in a room dedicated to him and his whole lore is that he was sent to kill the seamstress, whose pin we see on its neck

[tight hull]

cursed crest but you can heal

[rocky jolt]

you know you dont need to force yourself to not upgrade your skills right

[subtle lynx]

that's a million times more than what trobbio gets

[subtle lynx]

sorry, meant to say gameplaywise

the whole point here is that he is the most irrelevant lorewise

[earnest drift]

my top five are lost lace, lace 2, karmelita, pure vessel, absrad (only here because she's difficult and has aura, gameplay sucks)

[raw pawn]

But that's a speed run tho

[peak flare]

i mean yea she kinda has 1224 hp and ur needle does 5.5 damage

[rocky jolt]

you get a needle upgrade for free after beating widow

[tight hull]

1224 hp? how much is karm hp?

[exotic cedar]

I can't find this tierlist, i wanna remake it

[peak flare]

1500

[raw pawn]

1500

[tight hull]

so karm got more health than gms?

[rocky jolt]

its always a boss tierlist and not a gauntlet tierlist

[exotic cedar]

This is the old one aughh i wanna find the same template

[peak flare]

yup

[dusky bobcat]

oh absolutely

[earnest drift]

i thought you hated lost lace

[exotic cedar]

Old tierlist

[raw pawn]

A lot of the bosses in act 3 have more than 1000 HP anyway

[exotic cedar]

I wanna find the same template

[exotic dome]

my top 5 is karmelita, absrad, lost lace, nkg, pure vessel

[subtle lynx]

this is the first time someone mentions radiance as a good boss

[exotic cedar]

My ass cannot find it though

[raw pawn]

Plasmified Zango aside from being able to heal has like 1000 HP too

[earnest drift]

nearly the exact same as mine

[rocky jolt]

always these 5

[earnest drift]

just replace nkg with lace 2

[peak flare]

also gms has a more little needle multiplier while karms is a little bit higher

[exotic cedar]

Absrad is boring, she's atleast a tier

[exotic dome]

cuz they're good

[dusky bobcat]

ye but wou can cheese it with vial bs

[exotic cedar]

Rad but fast. How creative

[subtle lynx]

but you put it top 1

[exotic cedar]

Its an old tierlist dude

[rocky jolt]

no its because they are difficult thats why

[tight hull]

gms has a very cool desing and all but her fight sucks, sawtooth, clawline, wanderer and shes gone, not much for a "final boss"

[dusky bobcat]

i dont thinh he put it in order

[peak flare]

lace 2 is harder😂

[subtle lynx]

blame the fact that you have to be able to beat it while cursed

[earnest drift]

gms is worse than thk imo
ll is way better than rad tho

[subtle lynx]

and you can get to her without upgrades ig

[restive ibex]

Bad ending bosses are easy, like THK

[subtle lynx]

even double jump

(but GMS without double jump is easier)

[tight hull]

welll, at least cursed gms was fun

[exotic dome]

yeah i mean hard and good bosses are always the best

[subtle lynx]

it was, because it forced me to learn her

[dusky bobcat]

still need at least clawline

[subtle lynx]

before, I beat her first try

[peak flare]

steel soul is hell

[rocky jolt]

sisters of battle is a good example of fun but not super difficult fight

[earnest drift]

true

[tight hull]

I also did that, then cursed I died so many times that I asked myself if I really did beat her 1st try on normal crests

[exotic dome]

true

[earnest drift]

kind of shit when you consider how hk's healing works though

[exotic dome]

easy top 10 for me

[rocky jolt]

i die more to hornet sentinel than sisters

[tight hull]

fr

[subtle lynx]

the thing is, bosses like that or nightmare king grimm have no RNG or variations at all, so they are hard to master, but once you do, they become the easiest bosses in the game

[earnest drift]

sisters of battle is only good once you don't bother with healing anyway

[subtle lynx]

like NKG does the same 5 attacks always with no variation

[rocky jolt]

doesnt really matter ill be real

[subtle lynx]

it does

it makes them much more enjoyable

[rocky jolt]

if its fun then i like the fight bro i dont give a fuck

[earnest drift]

i like that sk bosses can be hard without killing all your healing windows

[subtle lynx]

since it will always feel like your fault if you take dmg

[leaden delta]

In the same place as the normal one probably I think

[tight hull]

ultimate healing window is just getting to the ceiling and healing mid air lmao

[rocky jolt]

in hk you heal during boss staggers in silksong you try to get extra damage in during them i like the contrast

[verbal steeple]

never seen anyone call false champion their favorite boss.

which is good because he's repositoning slop

[restive ibex]

Radiant oblobbles peak

[earnest drift]

very bottom of A tier for me

[subtle lynx]

I love the word slop

[rocky jolt]

hes very consistent so i like his fight

[earnest drift]

gets lame once you know how to dreamnail and re-stagger

[rocky jolt]

and has a nice flow

[verbal steeple]

the slop thickens

[exotic dome]

it's probably top 10 in hk

[earnest drift]

then it becomes spell spam simulator

[subtle lynx]

nah

[verbal steeple]

genuienly OnWs false champion was killing me. untill i got shade cloak

which i beat him first try after i got it.

[tight hull]

well in hk you cant heal wherever you want, only on ground or moving a little with that one charm so staggers are a really good wndow

[verbal steeple]

tho i had to lock in since i was at one mask immediatly after starting the fight

[rocky jolt]

hk bosses usually have less healing windows

[verbal steeple]

my cursed crest run was harder than the OnWs run

[exotic dome]

hk healing is so ass

[earnest drift]

which do you prefer: voltvyrm or uumuu

[verbal steeple]

voltvyrm

[tight hull]

anyone uses that one charm that turns you into a snail when you healing or smth like that?

[subtle lynx]

yeah playing hk after silksong feels so rough just because of that

[leaden delta]

nkg is just like. That shit gets sooo boring and you can’t do anything with it after killing him once. Cuz the context is godhome I realized I should’ve said that

[exotic dome]

voltvyrm

[rocky jolt]

i think the soul system is better than the silk system though

[tight hull]

the worst thing is when you stop holding the focus button mid heal

[peak flare]

voltvyrm

[subtle lynx]

they are the same

[rocky jolt]

because it gives you a lot more chances to use spells

specially in the early game

[subtle lynx]

silk is better because it is clearer

[verbal steeple]

i just pop soul eater and use a spell every 2 hits

mostly ddark. almost exclusively DDark... basically always DDark...

[earnest drift]

eater catcher twister stone my beloved

[tight hull]

I love quickslash

[exotic dome]

hk has better charms regarding soul, in silksong some tools like druids eye need buff

[verbal steeple]

the way i beat radiant Zote was by putting: Soul catcher. soul eater. spell twister. weaversong+grubsong synergy

[restive ibex]

No I actually prefer the extra risk/reward in HK. The worst mechanics in Silksong are "free multimask healing at all times" and "you don't get punished for bad jumps because drifters cloak is ez mode"

[verbal steeple]

every ONE hit i was basically DDark'ing

i wasn't gonna bother learning zote at all

[rocky jolt]

silksong healing is just like that because of double damage

[earnest drift]

eh
with grubsong if you took double dmg you only got 15 soul
if you take 1+1 dmg in silksong with druid's eyes you get 2 silk

[exotic dome]

i think the game is already punishing enough

[subtle lynx]

it's the opposite

[restive ibex]

No I think they scaled back the challenge wayyyy to much and the game isn't as fun

[earnest drift]

complaining about a better healing system is weird

[subtle lynx]

silksong healing is like that so the game is more dynamic

[peak flare]

wait till u hear about druid's eyes

[rocky jolt]

what the hell does that even mean

[exotic dome]

but grubsong costs 1 notch, a lot cheaper than a tool slot

[leaden delta]

I also dislike how easy it is to heal in ss

[restive ibex]

Too easy = boring

[verbal steeple]

yall should do a cursed crest run

[leaden delta]

It is comically easy. I like how binds have more use though a lot

[earnest drift]

complaining about interesting movement is also weird

[verbal steeple]

seriously u guys should do a cursed crest run

[earnest drift]

hk is also easy except for godhome

[leaden delta]

I also dislike drifter’s cloak a bit

[restive ibex]

Silksong easier

[earnest drift]

at least sk can match its difficulty without destroying all your healing windows

[subtle lynx]

idk if you've played silksong, but the disfficulty scaled accordingly to the new improved healing, in fact, multiple people actually complain about the silksong difficulty

[rocky jolt]

but lets not complain about healing being overpowered after how many double damage complaints there were

[verbal steeple]

wow

[earnest drift]

no

[leaden delta]

I don’t think it’s bad it just makes some stuff real easy

[restive ibex]

Drifters slop ruins the game

[leaden delta]

I wish there was some limit to how much you can use it, I think

[earnest drift]

how dare we get an interesting movement mechanic

[subtle lynx]

no, double jump breaks the flow a bit

[verbal steeple]

you really notice how less height faydown cloak gives compared to monarch wings

[subtle lynx]

drifters is amazing

[leaden delta]

when im mapping, drifter’s cloak is a hassle to work around honestly

[verbal steeple]

like with monarch wing you're basically doing a jump in the air

[exotic dome]

all abilities are slop hornet should just walk

[verbal steeple]

with hornet its like. half a jump

[tight hull]

I hate when I pogo and ill use double jump an it dont works

[restive ibex]

Not interesting. Way too much forgiveness, it destroys the learning curves

[earnest drift]

pure vessel and nightmare king grimm suck because they rely on destroying all your healing windows in order to be difficult
lost lace is as difficult as them while still giving you time to heal

[leaden delta]

hunt knows how to use it well but I haven’t figured it out. I probably just need to map more

[subtle lynx]

yeah, I always get faydown cloak pretty late because I don't like it

[earnest drift]

hollow knight's learning curve was way worse

[rocky jolt]

hornet can mantle

[earnest drift]

i died to hornet 1 more times than absolute radiance

[tight hull]

this again😭

[leaden delta]

I’ve worked around it by just making speed maps that require minimal usage of cloak, and I think that’s good and fun

[restive ibex]

You actually had to learn, and that's fun.

I had more "1 try 1 kill" bosses in silksong

[subtle lynx]

maybe cause you played a lot of hollow knight?

[earnest drift]

deleting all your healing windows isn't a very good way of "learning"

[subtle lynx]

again, everyone complained about silksong difficulty

[leaden delta]

so yeah I do actually think cloak makes platforming too lenient, imo

[earnest drift]

oh yeah also false knight is a horrible tutorial boss

[raw pawn]

Did you know hornet is the daughter of her mother????

[exotic dome]

that's just you tho, most people will say silksong is difficult

[tight hull]

moss mother👀

[leaden delta]

and like harpoon I wish there was a limit to how much you could use it

platforming wise

[raw pawn]

Who the hell calls false knight a bad tutorial boss I can't think of a better tutorial boss than false knight

[exotic dome]

and easy healingslop balances the double damageslop imo

[leaden delta]

you probably have cloak have stamina that resets on touching the floor is the first thing I think of

[subtle lynx]

there is

[earnest drift]

moss mother is easy but she doesn't introduce the player to an enemy that doesn't give silk/soul on hit and she doesn't encourage the player to hit her during a stagger

[exotic cedar]

Ok i redid my tierlist, hate me and throw tomatoes at me all you want

[restive ibex]

Learning where it's safe to heal is a great mechanic unironically.

I wish there were 0 bosses completed first try and they all had multiple attempts as a learning curve

[tight hull]

I didnt said she was good I hate moss mother is so boring and awful

[leaden delta]

yea ok I GUESS but let’s be real

[earnest drift]

doesn't give soul on hit (weird introduction)
encourages hitting the boss during a stagger (why)

[exotic cedar]

Tormented Trobbio might be the only refight i actually like

[raw pawn]

I think what's bad about false knight tho is that it tells you to hit it when it's staggered when you shouldn't hit any other boss when it's staggered

[exotic cedar]

Others are boring

[leaden delta]

I haaaaate how you can use it multiple times in the sky, platforming wise

[earnest drift]

i had some bosses completed first try in both games

[subtle lynx]

idk it really never comes into play

[earnest drift]

and again hk's learning curve was awful

[subtle lynx]

there's usually a wall or spikes or sth

[leaden delta]

I’ve talked abt it a lot. I haaaatr that and I think tc shot themselves in the foot platforming wise with that

[tight hull]

use what

[leaden delta]

harpoon

[subtle lynx]

like you can never abuse multiple clawlines in the surfice climb

[raw pawn]

Anyway my first boss in hollow knight was brooding mawlek 😭

[sharp slate]

was it really, it felt reall smooth to me, hk was my first metroidvania as well

[verbal steeple]

same

[leaden delta]

it shocks me how it isn’t a refresh on things like the other movement options

[tight hull]

theres a way to get offscreen in mt fay spamming clawline lol

[exotic cedar]

Me when i cheese half of sands of karak platforming just by spamming harpoon :stupidyi:

[leaden delta]

and it sucks asssssssss especially when im napping

[exotic dome]

that's on sands of karak

[rocky jolt]

is this even possible

[sharp slate]

if you do skips to get to bosses ahead thats when curve fucks you up, but thats what ya get, i had my ass beat by mawlek but i wasnt supposed to be there

[exotic dome]

it's a shit area

[verbal steeple]

if u use drifter's cloak too much the cloak rips and u need to go back to the pintress and do the quest all over again

[exotic cedar]

I remember doing it

[restive ibex]

Clawline, is like the best addition to the game wth lol

[verbal steeple]

and you're forced to fight the fifth chorus. and then the sixth chorus

[raw pawn]

I am pretty sure they are aware you are gonna use harpoon a lot there especially when you need harpoon to enter sands of karak

[verbal steeple]

and then the seventh chorus. and then the eight chorus

[leaden delta]

It’s why I just bind clawline instead cuz fuck it sucks

[exotic dome]

god forbid we have an interesting movement mechanic

[leaden delta]

it suckssss to map around

[restive ibex]

Drifters cloak is what you should be mad at, why isn't anyone mad? 😭

[rocky jolt]

i thought sands of karak was the one thing you couldnt cheese

[tight hull]

then the first architect

[raw pawn]

Drifter's cloak is peak actually

[leaden delta]

and god I wish it just required a refresh instead

[exotic dome]

both are very good, i think they messed it up at silk soar

[leaden delta]

so fucking badly

[tight hull]

I like clawline because hornet uses it in hk

[restive ibex]

Literally the actual upgrade where they shot themselves in the foot

[rocky jolt]

ok now we just calling anything shit

[tight hull]

silksoar animation is so goofy lmao

[exotic cedar]

Is it just me or i hate tools locked behind some random ass breakable walls

[verbal steeple]

silk soar is stupid because it doesn't have obvious indicators

[exotic cedar]

Esp when you are playing blind and going for %100 achivement

[leaden delta]

again I don’t think it’s a bad ability I just think tc shot themselves in the foot with clawline and cloak, unless they find a way to limit both of them

[tight hull]

fr

[restive ibex]

You don't like walls!?!? The whole game is about circumnavigating walls

[raw pawn]

Tbh who the hell uses silk soar fucking everywhere they go

[verbal steeple]

i don't like walls that are walk throughable

like jeez why is there so many walls u can just walk through to a secret?

[exotic dome]

guys i think silksong is wallslop

[tight hull]

me using it on every room that has a source light from above

[verbal steeple]

breakable walls have obvious indicators. (not always)

[woeful skiff]

what up

[verbal steeple]

but just having invis walls? stupid

[rocky jolt]

there is very few horizontal platforming sections where floating and clawline would be able to cheese

[restive ibex]

If they removed drifters cloak the walls wouldn't be so bad trust me

[raw pawn]

Prob the only obvious silksong secret was the one in the pale lake

[leaden delta]

because I think ss platforming becomes too centered around them, and is gonna limit tc’s ability to make interesting stuff

[exotic cedar]

Bilewater quicksling breakble wall and whisp thicket breakble wall i call bullshit

[tight hull]

I love all types of walls (not the ones with some tipe of spike that you cant pogo, this sucks)

[leaden delta]

esp clawline

[rocky jolt]

solution remove cling grip

[exotic cedar]

Or breakble roofs

[leaden delta]

maybe I should make another ss map again. Idk

[raw pawn]

Yes let's remove walls from silksong actually

And remove floor in a dlc

[woeful skiff]

is there a map of verdainia cause im tring to get the cartographer achievement

[exotic cedar]

Good, silksong doesn't exist anymore

[exotic dome]

almost like it's all void

[exotic cedar]

World is saved

[restive ibex]

Okay but removing the floor is actually GOATED.

[exotic cedar]

No more world war 3

[tight hull]

silksong but no wall no floor no pogo no double jump no needle no hit no clawline, no crests, no blue/yellow/red tools, no silk and no song

[exotic cedar]

Removing the floor is type of shit tc would do for a boss... That sounds familiar!!

[raw pawn]

Team cherry when making ascended markoth:

[restive ibex]

Nyleth too

[leaden delta]

ok I do like killing the floor

[exotic cedar]

Sometimes its good

[earnest drift]

nyleth is much better than ascended markoth

[leaden delta]

I just wish nyleth was a better boss

[earnest drift]

also radiance is bad

[leaden delta]

I wish markoth also had more to do, but asckoth was still good

[exotic dome]

nyleth and markoth is not even comparable

[raw pawn]

All dream warriors sucked in HK anyway

[solid grail]

We should remove both walls, Nyleth with 1 wall is too easy

[woeful skiff]

for silksongs ost why wont they include the whitward, layer 2, and layer 3 of "Cut Through"

[leaden delta]

yk what I miss. I miss plats. maybe nyleth should’ve been a plats fight for a phase

[tight hull]

remove nyleth too

[solid grail]

Ckk should get double speed attacks

[subtle lynx]

except galien

he was the only good design dream warrior

[exotic dome]

no

[earnest drift]

no he sucked too

[exotic cedar]

Galien is fucking shit

[exotic dome]

i hate dreamwarriors

[subtle lynx]

fun gimmick and playstile, doesn't overextend, not too hard

[earnest drift]

dream warriors bring hk from 0.3/10 to 0.2/10

[raw pawn]

Why is grob throwing tooth picks at you

[exotic cedar]

His fat ass hits me more than his sychte

[tight hull]

whos galien again?

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/bIOTq.gif

[raw pawn]

The dream warrior that died in deepnest

[leaden delta]

oh fuckkkk galien

[earnest drift]

is there anything good about hollow knight

[exotic cedar]

Ab Lifeblood eater galien

[raw pawn]

Love how he notices his dead body and doesn't realize it's his

[tight hull]

oooh that deepnest one

[earnest drift]

the combat is mid, the bosses are bad, the healing is bad, the charm balance is awful

[tight hull]

drugs

[graceful oyster]

Pure Vessel, Soul Sanctum, and that's about it

[exotic cedar]

Music is cool

[solid grail]

PoP, PV, SoB, NKG

[leaden delta]

there’s good stuff about hollow knight, it just feels like ur hating unnecessarily much

[earnest drift]

soul sanctum's soul master runback stops it from being good

[leaden delta]

and it’s pretty annoying, tbh

[rocky jolt]

holy bait

[exotic cedar]

Hk and silksong is the same for me

[tight hull]

but isnt there this breakable wall?

[solid grail]

Who even lose to Soul Master anymore

[raw pawn]

Remember none of the silksong mechanics would have been easy to use if hollow knight didn't come first

[unkempt steeple]

hornet

[solid grail]

That guy is Easy

[leaden delta]

like you just come in to hate just to hate. you feel like hunter

[raw pawn]

Except for swift step and cling grip they are used in a lot of other game

[unkempt steeple]

the blacksmith and sheo

[tight hull]

i did on my first playthrpugh

[rocky jolt]

i took the long runback route for broken vessel 😢

[solid grail]

And there's a thing called Dreamgate that stops all runbacks from sucking

[leaden delta]

but well, I do like a lot abt hk esp when you play more

[unkempt steeple]

acctually hornet's boss fight isn't as good as lace's

[tight hull]

hey guys swift step or hk dash?

[unkempt steeple]

swift step

[raw pawn]

Hot take but I think phantom is better than both lace 1 and 2

[leaden delta]

I like dash more due to the tighter control, as well as it being more conductive to platforming

[verbal steeple]

honestly going back to hornet's air dash compared to HK dash makes me

[solid grail]

Swift Step is more traversal while HK dash is more combat

[tight hull]

I like dash

[raw pawn]

I think the knight dash used to cover more distance than hornet's dash

But hornet can sprint so...

[unkempt steeple]

hard disagree, I hope phantom gets a rematch one day

[solid grail]

Try Double Phantom

[tight hull]

arent they dead

[raw pawn]

Silkin sisters

[unkempt steeple]

so was the broken vessel and it got a rematch

[rocky jolt]

90% of modded bosses are shit

[tight hull]

that one flucke radiance lol

[exotic cedar]

HERE IS LAST JUDGE BUT LIKE.... %200 FASTER. hahaha im so creative!!!!

[raw pawn]

It's just that they aren't balanced lol

[verbal steeple]

i hate that mod so much

[rocky jolt]

lost sinner is like the only bearable one

[unkempt steeple]

elegy of the deep dlc that adds rematches like the dream bosses in hk

[subtle lynx]

here it is an objective 100% correct boss fight tier list

[verbal steeple]

her last phase attack literally summons so much fire i'm pretty sure U CANT DODGE IT

[exotic dome]

first sinner but 560% faster and there are 92382 projectiles instead of 8

[rocky jolt]

even then it still spawns too many swords

[exotic cedar]

Revolt and devotion looks cool i guess

[unkempt steeple]

this sure is a list

[verbal steeple]

they gave last judge 10 flea brews and said fuck you

[raw pawn]

Phantom but they parry every picosecond

[leaden delta]

I honestly like the platforming and combat in hk more

[rocky jolt]

where are the modded groal fights

[leaden delta]

it just catches my attention more

[subtle lynx]

honestly, couldn0t disagree more

[verbal steeple]

i like combat in both games.

[exotic dome]

only good modded fight i had was inferno king grimm

[verbal steeple]

they feel different to a certain extent that makes me like both

[raw pawn]

What about the pale court mod

[subtle lynx]

silksong combat and platforming makes me wanna replay the game endlessly

[restive ibex]

Yeah it's a lot better in a game without drifter slop

[leaden delta]

I also think hk feels more conductive to modded fights in comparison to silksong

[smoky bridge]

Mah list

[verbal steeple]

i mean tbf skong is still relatively new compared to HK

HK is gonna have better modded fights and all

[leaden delta]

hk feels like an example of how less is better, in terms of platforming

[smoky bridge]

I like Silksong's platforming and movement much better.

[solid grail]

Silksong have double enemies mod tho

[leaden delta]

forces more creativity in my experience, though to be fair hk has a lot more hidden tech shit and and I also have like 6 years of mapping experience

[raw pawn]

Doesn't change that some masochists climbed Mt fay without swift step

[verbal steeple]

i still remember getting jumpscared by the husk guards doing double damage after returning to HK

[heavy mason]

Could someone tell me the geometry dash server code pls, it is of utmost urgency

[raw pawn]

You mean link?

[heavy mason]

Yr

[raw pawn]

I can dm you it

[heavy mason]

Yes pls

[leaden delta]

and I just like hk combat more

[subtle lynx]

I think the most underrated fight in skong is single clonchfly, it is extremely fun and it has to be on of the best hk bossfights in terms of visuals, specially when he uses the ads

[heavy mason]

Can you replay pop? I went back to white palace today and I couldn't go back through the entry

[restive ibex]

Normally no

[heavy mason]

Mods?

[smoky bridge]

Clonch

[verbal steeple]

the flukenest fights back

[tight hull]

fluke radiance

[unkempt steeple]

I hope we get a bell beast rematch that uses the beastlings like the conchflies in this fight

[rocky jolt]

what the fuck

[verbal steeple]

in russia the bosses flukenest YOU

[subtle lynx]

maybe, I thought bellbeast was kind of boring

[restive ibex]

Yeah you should be able to with mods that can teleport you or save editing

[smoky bridge]

An absurd amount of modded bosses are just "Diet Touhou"

[rocky jolt]

yall have the most insane ideas

[tight hull]

what the fluk

[heavy mason]

Awww maaan, I'm a console player

[smoky bridge]

Bell beast is just Moss charger but good.

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sans-sans-undertale-undertale-chara-kill-gif-15433597323116774094

[unkempt steeple]

it's nice for first playthroughs but yeah it is kinda slow on replays

[rocky jolt]

''yeah i would like a boss where i could kill my pets babies''

[restive ibex]

Yeah because that's the only way to escalate from what people consider good

[tight hull]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hollow-knight-hornet-silksong-haxNh7Z9MU3hTKkUbJ

[unkempt steeple]

it can just be a sparing match sorta thing

[subtle lynx]

you're petting them

[unkempt steeple]

the bell beasts' shells are hard

they can handle a beating

[smoky bridge]

The Bellbeast being canonically immune to basically everything is really funny.

[verbal steeple]

does the bell beast produce asexually or

[tight hull]

wth

[exotic cedar]

"Oh yeah you wanna spar with me like we did before when we first met?"

"Uuuuu" 🔥🔥

[verbal steeple]

like how did she get babies

[steep jolt]

500 pins

[verbal steeple]

was there a male bell beast somewhere

[unkempt steeple]

she was probably already pregnant

[steep jolt]

she mated with bell eater

[unkempt steeple]

so yes probably

[verbal steeple]

bell eater killed her husband

[smoky bridge]

Reproduced by sheer good vibes.

[rocky jolt]

bell eater is most likely female

[smoky bridge]

For why?

[unkempt steeple]

that or it's smth related to why bell beast was trapped in silk

[smoky bridge]

Out of curiosity.

[tight hull]

what if bell beast is a solo father?

[verbal steeple]

y'know how much health does bell eater have before bell beast jumps in and kills them?

i think its like half health but like how much is that

[subtle lynx]

that's because she was pregnant, so she was getting multiple silk strings because of her babies in her womb

[verbal steeple]

because like the amount of damage bell beast did would probably be enough to do 5 masks of damage to hornet

[unkempt steeple]

I don't think that's how it works

[smoky bridge]

It's also possible the babies were already born, just chilling in the veins

[subtle lynx]

me neither

[verbal steeple]

that is a disturbing image

[unkempt steeple]

true too

[tight hull]

haunted even before being born😭

[smoky bridge]

I don't think bell beast was haunted. She was just trapped by someone who hates public transport.

[verbal steeple]

oh wait maybe her children were ALSO trapped in silk somewhere and that's why they only appear in act 3?

GMS being sent to the shadow realm caused them to be free

[subtle lynx]

they were inside bell eater

[tight hull]

maybe they were trapped somewhere and with all the void destruction they went free

[smoky bridge]

My HC is that they were hiding in the nest somewhere because of the Bell eater, and killing it meant they could savely come out.

[subtle lynx]

bell eater with bell beast children:

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-eating-marshmallow-gif-6008098

[verbal steeple]

would be pretty funny if team cherry added a secret boss fight if u complete EVERYTHING in the game

[smoky bridge]

*safely

[tight hull]

😭

[verbal steeple]

after completeing EVERY single thing. bell beast is no longer there and she becomes lost

[smoky bridge]

Pharloom's collector is jealous of your full %

[verbal steeple]

and then u need to fight lost bell beast

[tight hull]

final credits aah fight

[smoky bridge]

Comes to kick your ass.

[restive ibex]

Widow using granny silks silk is the only reasonable explanation for a trapped bell beast I guess lol

[finite atlas]

Could still happen ngl
Maybe once all DLCs are out, so youd have to complete them too

[verbal steeple]

that's technically ass jim in a way

[tight hull]

granny silk silk lol

[smoky bridge]

Widow canonically hates public transport.

[verbal steeple]

the secret room of assjim technically shows him being similar to the collector

[unkempt steeple]

dlc that adds a stag nest like area but for the bell beast

[smoky bridge]

More like Gurr

[verbal steeple]

i mean he's collecting "food" and not grubs. but y'know