sk-discussion

[craggy oracle]

huh

[lavish apex]

for me

[kind tide]

Erm, guys?

[coarse leaf]

I BEAT HER FIRST TRY EHEHEHEHEHEH]

w lace oh my lord

[lavish apex]

another one

[coarse leaf]

another what

[lavish apex]

gms first tryer

[coarse leaf]

i beat her before but this time i beat her first try

i had 7 mask and i lost 2 YET i still didnt lose

so ig im good

[icy crane]

Well I hope you did

Pretty easy boss

[coarse leaf]

MAN MY HEALING FEELS SO SLOWWW GIVE ME A BENCH I NEED TO CHANGE MY TOOLS

[paper fiber]

prefer not to say.

[vast grove]

multibinder

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer suckass

[coarse leaf]

BELLEATER?

[light swan]

bro ate bells

guys imagine if the bell beast was a mother of 5

do you think the bell eater ate them too

[coarse leaf]

alright buddy

[light swan]

biddle buddy is DEAD

[shy spoke]

Would make sense considering how angy she was

Dealing 500 damage

[light swan]

i could deal 500 damage in 3 binds

[earnest drift]

does anyone else think bell eater is the father of the babies and he and bell beast are divorced

[light swan]

nope just you

[shy spoke]

No??? Centipedes and isopods are not the same

[light swan]

or at least they were never married

if it did happen

[earnest drift]

well this is a game where a worm marrying a tree is a significant plot point

[old raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074302646883733554/1478976472516657215/Screenshot_2026-03-05_at_13.44.17.png?ex=69aa5bad&is=69a90a2d&hm=47319588e9e33460760a2cbfba72968110d8778ab0161cd902796eddbcf8c795&
cooked him

[coarse leaf]

how do i know if bell eater is phase 2

[shy spoke]

Except that the worm and tree are gods

[shy spoke]

If the room expands

[light swan]

there’s 4 phases unfortunately

the fight makes you sad like cogwork dancers

[earnest drift]

bell beast is a god
god of my heart because I love her

[light swan]

beast crest is the best crest for moving bell babies

[earnest drift]

so cute

[light swan]

wanderer doesnt have enough range to push them upwards

[earnest drift]

my dog irl sometimes makes sounds like bell beast

[shy spoke]

That’s awesome

[light swan]

other crests dont have the attack speed

[shy spoke]

Probably the worst is reaper

[earnest drift]

do you have to bind with beast to move the babies efficiently

[coarse leaf]

FALSE INFO STOPO

[light swan]

couriers rasher but but it’s belles baby

[light swan]

yes

[shy spoke]

For beastling transport

[earnest drift]

can you move them between rooms

[light swan]

nah i think it’s probably shaman

[shy spoke]

Not without mods

[light swan]

no

[earnest drift]

sad

[light swan]

afaik they take less knockback

[shy spoke]

O

[light swan]

i was thinking of throwing the bell baby down the hole in blasted steps

[shy spoke]

Gosh

[earnest drift]

nooo
(they’d survive though)

[simple orbit]

has anyone here played memories in orbit?

[light swan]

since it’s one big room i think

[earnest drift]

lmao

[light swan]

i have it’s my 2nd favorite game of all time and i talk about it all the time here

[simple orbit]

what does that mean...

[light swan]

mio is a frequent conversation topic in this channel

[earnest drift]

there is too much mio in the silksong channel

[shy spoke]

Wait I think you’re right

[simple orbit]

ooh

[simple orbit]

it looks really good you see i WAS progressing nioh rn but its not really hitting and mio came across my FYP and it looks really good

[light swan]

yea its really damn good

i was interested in the game since february 2024 i think

[simple orbit]

i should really lock in on nioh but....

[light swan]

had 2 years to garner hype in my mind and in the end mio surpassed all of my expectations

[simple orbit]

how many hours is it?

[light swan]

i was already expecting to like mio more than silksong but i didn’t realize how much more id like mio

[light swan]

~20 hours for normal ending usually

[simple orbit]

might play it before i finish nioh tbh

[light swan]

i took 25 for first ending, 37 for second ending, 54 for 100%

[coarse leaf]

YEAAAAAA (idc if i got spoiled about ts but wtv)

[light swan]

but i took my time and did a LOR of stuff

[simple orbit]

it looks beautiful

looks so worth it

[light swan]

it really is

[earnest drift]

bell eater isn’t a good boss but the vibes make it an excellent intro to act 3

[simple orbit]

my only complaint is that its ANOTHER dying kingdom like BROOOO WHY WHY WHY

[light swan]

it’s not really a dying kingdom

[earnest drift]

what metroidvanias aren’t in a dying kingdom

I’ve only played hollow knight

[light swan]

it’s technically dying but it’s not a post apocalyptic world like silksong or hk

[simple orbit]

i just mean between all the souls games ive played and metroidvanias

[coarse leaf]

NO WAIT I LOVE BEASTLING CALL OMG

[simple orbit]

okay i might have to skip nioh and play this first fuck

[earnest drift]

dreamgate if it was good

[lavish apex]

well

it
probably is

twice technically

i think i got ending 1 like 14 hours in

it's a good bit shorter than silksong

[light swan]

silksong didnt take 7 years for nothing

[light swan]

eh

||id say metropolis and haven are lively enoufh||

[coarse leaf]

OH OK SO THEY BETRAYED US CUTEEEE

[light swan]

||things die over the course of the game but by the start it’s not post apocalyptic||

[lavish apex]

||once for whatever made earth uninhabitable and again after noden killed all the travellers|| mio spoilers

[halcyon parrot]

shud i stream silksong?

[coarse leaf]

i checked the forge daughter not knowing that they would update the objective

i thought garmond was dead for a sec omg

[rocky jolt]

but he is

[shadow kernel]

wuzzahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[old raft]

ANOTHER MILESTONE

[coarse leaf]

do i have to fight forbrother signis

[earnest drift]

yes

[coarse leaf]

welllllll any way to stop the void from getting them

[earnest drift]

are you in act 3

[old raft]

didnt know they can get voided

[earnest drift]

I think only their minions do

[simple orbit]

omg there’s no collision damage

[coarse leaf]

this boss isnt funny

[coarse leaf]

yes

[shy spoke]

For whom?

[coarse leaf]

CAN YALL REVIVIE CHAT

[lavish apex]

in memories in orbit

[simple orbit]

dawg how do i heal in mio

[coarse leaf]

BRO WHY THE FUCK DOES HE SPAWN HIS BROTHER

THIS PMO

[lavish apex]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[simple orbit]

nah fr how do i heal

[opaque sigil]

there are definitely some thematic similarities with hk but mio's at a different stage yeah

[coarse leaf]

dude remove cursing pls

THESE ENEMYS GET LIKE SO MUCH MORE ATTASCKS

WHEN THE GET CURSED

[kind tide]

Erm, guys?

[simple orbit]

this game is locked door simulator bro

and no heals 😢

[grim forum]

Multibinder or weavelight for mt fay?

[coarse leaf]

SOMEONE FUCKING HELP

[opaque sigil]

there are things in the world you can use to heal but you can't heal on demand

[grim forum]

?

[coarse leaf]

signis

[grim forum]

Who signis

[opaque sigil]

weavelight

[simple orbit]

i died.

there’s no heals

[coarse leaf]

I HATE THIS FUCKING BOSS

[minor sparrow]

Now I kinda wanna count the amount of locked doors

[opaque sigil]

you get used to it, early game tends to be pretty lethal but once you learn how to play you don't really die except to bosses

[grim forum]

SHAKRA SAVE ME FROM MT FAY WAHHH

[lavish apex]

yeah mio's health system is pretty abrasive

[minor sparrow]

What are you struggling on?

[coarse leaf]

ok i finally did it

[old raft]

i am gonna fight savage beastfly 2
surely i dont die to this mf in my 10 hrs steel soul run

[minor sparrow]

Are you going for TE?

[ashen steeple]

If you don't lose all your masks you won't die

[old raft]

i am so geared

[grim forum]

Im literally on the beginning😭

[old raft]

i have 6 life blood bottle and 11 volt veesels
and i have 2 needle upgrade double jump clawline
and i have 7 masks

SURELY i wont die

[minor sparrow]

Are you trying to do true ending?

[old raft]

ye

[minor sparrow]

Ah

Idk I think I set aside savage for mask 9

Just to play on the safer side

For my SH run in particular

[old raft]

ok i saved quited

😭

i freaking fall into lava when it spawns

[finite swift]

my guy

[light swan]

mio is a hard game but as tammo said you’ll get used to it

get ready to always lock in

[minor sparrow]

Are you running magma bell?

[simple orbit]

wait bro

can i not pick my droplets back up

[light swan]

nope, they go to the nacre pool

[simple orbit]

great

[light swan]

but there are things you can do such as crystallize them at crystallizers so they stay after death

and getting nacre is SUPER easy

[simple orbit]

okay

[light swan]

it’s not like silksong where 5% of enemies drop rosaries

[coarse leaf]

alright buddy these big fat bitch snails

[lavish apex]

if you feel like the health system is intolerable for exploration just turn on ground healing in the assist menu

it's what i did and i think i enjoyed the game way more for it

[coarse leaf]

alr bro what the FUCK

[grim forum]

Do i have to have silksoar for mt fay????

OR WHATTTTT

[coarse leaf]

ISNT THAT THE BUG FROM HOLLOW KNIGHT

[finite swift]

i need a boss that deals 3 damage

[old raft]

YESSS
i only save quitted 5 times to beat savage baestfly 2

[clever drum]

Evil kratt

[grim forum]

Rip his face off

[simple orbit]

what’s that

[coarse leaf]

OH

[clever drum]

Why does void entity like to kidnap women

[coarse leaf]

this is getting intresting

[opaque sigil]

if you stay on the ground long enough it gives you an extra pip of health

[coarse leaf]

interesting i mean

[lavish apex]

regens a single pip of health when you spend 5-ish seconds on the ground

[opaque sigil]

it's not actually regen it's like a lifeblood mask

[lavish apex]

yeah

[light swan]

it’s like hive blood

in a game like mio it’s very useful

[opaque sigil]

if it makes the game less frustrating for you it's a good choice

[clever drum]

Should i make an animation where hornet tries to make void entity go to prison

[old raft]

dude i almost just died in wormway right in front of the bednch

[graceful oyster]

Mio

[lavish apex]

i think 2nd playthrough i'm gonna turn it off for bosses, it makes some of them too easy

[opaque sigil]

||I didn't really use the assist but I did use gratitude for crucible n shit||

I don't know how many bosses would really be trivialized by the assist since it needs you to stay on the ground for a long ass time

[coarse leaf]

are we fucking serious

[opaque sigil]

idk if ||dodge resets the timer||

[graceful oyster]

I also used it for that so I went back and did both parts without it + no free basins

Although now with that practice I'm working towards hitless

[opaque sigil]

once you've done it the first time it's not gonna be as hard

[graceful oyster]

Indeed

[opaque sigil]

half of the work is figuring out what to do

[graceful oyster]

Indeed

So now it's just really fun

[simple orbit]

boss runback of doom omg

this boss is so hard wtf

[graceful oyster]

Who

[coarse leaf]

oh my god arcane eggs???

[graceful oyster]

Yeah! Welcome to nostalgiaslop retconworld

[lavish apex]

what 😭

[graceful oyster]

I'm so glad they shoehorned void into this new game I love new story engines

Just when I thought Skong wasn't emo enough

[opaque sigil]

It was disappointing after act 2 was sorta doing its own thing but oh well

[grim forum]

Nvm mt fay is ez

I js suck at navigation

Fayforn so cuteee!!!!

[scarlet karma]

that’s the only interaction with them

ever.

(If I’m not mistaken that is)

[opaque sigil]

Kind of

[scarlet karma]

hm?

[opaque sigil]

||Mister mushroom is talking to it later if you go back during that||

[quartz veldt]

me when i l;ie

[opaque sigil]

But you can’t interact with it directly

[scarlet karma]

no need for spoilers btw

[opaque sigil]

I know

[scarlet karma]

ur expected to fully complete game

[opaque sigil]

But somebody’s going through act 2 for the first time

[quartz veldt]

theyre spoiling it for the person who just finished fey mountain lol

[scarlet karma]

ahh

[grim forum]

NOOO

[opaque sigil]

It’s not necessary but it doesn’t have to be necessary to do it

[scarlet karma]

oh travelling moth eater

that guy

[grim forum]

Yayayy

[scarlet karma]

no need for 100%

[grim forum]

Yep

[grim forum]

I dont mind

[scarlet karma]

have u done mister mushroom in hk

[grim forum]

No

[scarlet karma]

it’s that but 2x harder

[grim forum]

But i have beat hk

[scarlet karma]

its a game of cat and mouse

but the cat is blind and has no direction

[quartz veldt]

is it ? i feel like its lowkey easier because you get to crossreference the text anywhere and it marks it off when u do it

[grim forum]

Reak

[scarlet karma]

I mean yeah but traversing is more difficult (somewhat) and larger then hk

scavenger hunt with clues is the best way to describe it

[old raft]

ass jim defeated

[scarlet karma]

W

she’s low-key kinda a good boss

annoying like beastfly

but still good

[old raft]

its good because my volt vessels can hit her easily

[grim forum]

Is it js me or is double jump not as good in silksong as in hk

[ancient mortar]

This silksongdle strat is straight busted.

[opaque sigil]

I’m still disappointed ss has a double jump

It renders the glide feeling like an afterthought

[ancient mortar]

@graceful oyster started outer wilds, its pretty great so far.

[opaque sigil]

[graceful oyster]

Awesome! Where did you ||go on your first launch?||

[ancient mortar]

Outer wilds spoilers: ||On my first launch i went to the quantum grove, then the moon, and watched the sun explode after spending so long exploring the first world and hometown. first thing i accomplished on later flights was find feldspar, now i've gotten to the center of ocean world||

[opaque sigil]

Oh nice

[ancient mortar]

Outer wilds spoilers: I thought ||feldspar was gonna be an endgame discovery but they were the first thing i found||

[earnest drift]

it gives less height but happens faster iirc

[graceful oyster]

Very productive

Nice work

[orchid locust]

not clicking on the spoilers even though i've finished outer wilds cause idk if it's something that i've forgotten ✌️✌️

[opaque sigil]

There’s a ton of variability in terms of what order you can do stuff. Lot of threads to pull

[ancient mortar]

Outer wilds spoilers: oh also i did the ||puzzle temple in the eye of the storm on the ocean world||

[graceful oyster]

Oh wow

[ancient mortar]

I flew into it on accident trying to find the ||counter clockwise tornado||

got into it on rentry

[graceful oyster]

Oh jeez you've been busy

[light swan]

woah so thats what outer worlds is about

[graceful oyster]

I'll kill you

[ancient mortar]

honestly it reminds me of two very disparate games, almost purely in a vibes sense. Windwaker for the lonely exploring of strange islands with their own unique themes and gimmicks, and return of obra din for the big web of mysteries and threads to follow.

[graceful oyster]

Don't click the spoilers

[light swan]

https://klipy.com/gifs/3-67

[graceful oyster]

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[lavish apex]

now i understand the hype after reading all of these tagged messages

[opaque sigil]

Return of the obra din is definitely a reasonable comparison

[graceful oyster]

I don't want to forget Outer Wilds so I can replay it honestly

I want to watch friends play

Much nicer experience

[opaque sigil]

Eelis on YouTube

[graceful oyster]

I'll kill you

[old raft]

guys i need this answer now

if you die in the mist do you die

does that kills my steel soul

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[ancient mortar]

Im deciding what thread im gonna follow next, either hunting for OUTER WILDS SPOILERS: ||Quantum moon which i have an idea of how to find with the photo thing, or maybe exploring more of the upside down city, and following the threads regarding what happend to the vessel in dark bramble. Im not huge on the black hole world as its so huge and isnt super fun to traverse, and bramble scares me because my first time entering it jumpscared me worse than i've been in a good few years||

[old raft]

thank god i save quited in time

[graceful oyster]

Those all sound fun. Well, one sounds exciting.

[graceful oyster]

Your run is as good as dead

Save quit cheater stamp for you

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[ancient mortar]

||i nearly shat myself when the angler fish showed up.||

Scarier than the ones in rain world watcher

[graceful oyster]

Uh the what in Watcher

Yikes

[ancient mortar]

yeah they added angler fish to most of the water sections

[graceful oyster]

Spooky

[ancient mortar]

terrifying, scarier than leviathans, they are massive but can also go through pipes

im guessing for outer wilds theres no specific order you have to do anything?

[graceful oyster]

Not really

[ancient mortar]

i can just follow the most interesting threads until i hit a wall

[graceful oyster]

Pretty much

But the web ties each thread to each other so it flows smoothly

[ancient mortar]

Also like 3 times so far i've forgotten to put on my space suit

[graceful oyster]

Hehe

Canon event

[opaque sigil]

We’ve all done it

[ancient mortar]

I remember when i first saw you had to manually put it on i was like "oh they expect me to forget to do it at some point" and then i forgot i thought that and then died

[graceful oyster]

Epic

[ancient mortar]

the ships log is a lifesaver as i don't have to take notes which i usually do for games like this

[graceful oyster]

Shrue

Although don't be adverse to taking notes anyway for smaller details

Also did you spring for the DLC?

[light swan]

follow the threadstorm

[ancient mortar]

Bought it but didn't enable

since it was also half off

[graceful oyster]

If you have it you should enable it

It's well integrated

[opaque sigil]

The dlc is good to do after finishing the base game imo

[ancient mortar]

Oh i heard the general advice was to play the base game first

which is why i didn't enable

[graceful oyster]

You should play the base game first but there's no harm in having it enabled

Do whatever you like

[ancient mortar]

does it like add stuff unrelated to its specific content

kinda like downpour

[graceful oyster]

Not really no

[light swan]

is this how non mio players feel reading our conversations

[cerulean sable]

Some of those choir forces...
Are the same who burns mosses...

[untold flame]

What mio

[graceful oyster]

Peak

[light swan]

the good mio

i guess ill go talk about xenoblade by myself

isnt mio such a good character

[ancient mortar]

I prefer oim

[light swan]

eh

so do i but if i had to rank mio, oim, and mio id put mio above the other two

despite mio wielding a flute i believe she'd be an actor if she lived irl

[ancient mortar]

I personally would rank memories over in and orbit

I might play mio next after OW

[opaque sigil]

It’s definitely worth it

[ancient mortar]

but i feel i have a while before im done with ow

[graceful oyster]

Mio after OW would be peaktacular overstimulation

[light swan]

play what you want / enjoy imo !!

[graceful oyster]

Like just so much good

[ancient mortar]

But yeah im glad the stuff that got spoiled about outer wilds seems to have already revealed at the point im in.

[light swan]

dont forget that its all a wheel

[ancient mortar]

at least conceptually i just havent found the thing i know is there

[light swan]

later outer wilds spoilers maybe? or maybe its earlygame idk ||theres time loop shenanigans going on isnt there i might be misremembering but itd be cool if im not||

[ancient mortar]

I should probably not click that

[opaque sigil]

There is

[opaque sigil]

You can

[graceful oyster]

It's safe

[lavish apex]

but then i couldn't play outer wilds

[graceful oyster]

Good point

[old raft]

just beat phantom
easy
bro cant parry better than me!

[ancient mortar]

But yeah i think i generally have an idea for why ||the time loop is happening||

[finite swift]

is the MIO leaking again

[graceful oyster]

Do tell! In spoilers

[ancient mortar]

just from the text ive read

[graceful oyster]

[lavish apex]

anyways that might be my next target

[sharp slate]

im temptted to just click all these spoilers so i dont need to buy outer wilds

[graceful oyster]

I love hearing early theories

[lavish apex]

i've heard nothing but praise for that game

[light swan]

TRUE

my next target is laika then rain world then something else maybe sekiro

bo path of the teal lotus at some point

inari on release

[graceful oyster]

Genuinely Outer Wilds is so amazing please don't click

[opaque sigil]

I remember guessing it almost immediately and being validated way later and feeling very satisfied

[light swan]

even though the next xeno thing isnt revealed yet im confident something xeno related may be coming soon so thats happening when it happens

outer wilds doesnt have super complex strategic optimizable combat with loads of tech and complexity does it

mid game L game 019/190

[opaque sigil]

No

[light swan]

does outer wilds have really cool robots

[graceful oyster]

I don't want to answer that

[light swan]

aw

[ancient mortar]

OUTER WILDS SPOILERS ||So reading about the ash twin project entries i've found it seems like from context its whats causing the loop, (this i assume because the masks description says they are transmitting memories to keep people from being unaware of what ash twin is doing, which seems to make sense in the thought of it being the cause of the timeloop. don't know why yet but i assume its like an early warning system to buy time to find the eye of the universe before the supernova, the masks seem to be a method so that if the project erroneously or intentionally activates the nomai will know they are in a time loop instead of being trapped looping over and over again.||

[flat lynx]

bro icl the only thing i know about outerwilds is that one song

is it a worthwhile play though

[light swan]

im very attracted to games with cool robots

[ancient mortar]

don't tell me if im right or wrong on anything tho

[light swan]

do ouroboros count as robots they dont but they kind of have similar design complexity and shape language or smth

[flat lynx]

one of the reasons i find silksongs areas a bit more entertaining than hk lowkey, the machinery is really cool

[graceful oyster]

Of course

[light swan]

bring back hraesvelg i want more hraesvelg

[graceful oyster]

Very interesting, keep it up

[light swan]

ooh

[ancient mortar]

hmm, gee i wonder what this could be

[graceful oyster]

Pill

[light swan]

tipp

[graceful oyster]

Lol

[hollow void]

Do you like Ultrakill

[light swan]

yes
(havent played tho)

[hollow void]

ok

[light swan]

but i do love ultrakill even though i know nothing about it

[hollow void]

I know things about it and haven’t played it

[ancient mortar]

also the ||nomai seem like the zonai from totk if they werent boring.||

[opaque sigil]

It has super complex strategic optimizable combat with loads of tech and complexity

[light swan]

cowrilla

[grim forum]

Fih

[light swan]

are there cool biulds like mio or xenoblade

[ancient mortar]

a lion, clearly

hes hiding behind the black bar

[opaque sigil]

Not so much

[light swan]

unplayable

[graceful oyster]

No idea who those are but if I needed yet another reason to not play Zelda games there it is

[ancient mortar]

If i liked doom eternal would i like ultrakill? (a lot of it was spoiled already for me)

[light swan]

give me shackle ring element genesis seraph please

[opaque sigil]

There’s pretty minimal customization in ultrakill

[opaque sigil]

Maybe? They’re really different games

[ancient mortar]

Most zelda games are good its just totk thats kinda lame imo. Botw was decent.

Ocarina of the time, windwaker, and majoras mask are the only must plays imo

or must watch playthroughs if you don't have the console for em

[orchid locust]

i don’t think anything will dethrone outer wilds as my favorite game of all time for a while

[flat lynx]

bro thats obviously gms

[graceful oyster]

HK/SS and Rain World sat over Outer Wilds for a long time and Mio is over all of them now

When it comes to my favorites

[light swan]

is mio your #1

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[ancient mortar]

Everhood is still my number one favorite.

[light swan]

i feel like 2026 is the year my top favorites is gonna shift a LOT

nine sols probably going up, mio already dethroned silksong as #2

[graceful oyster]

Also Caves of Qud I forgot about that

CoQ is incredible

[light swan]

do you pronounce it caves of chud

[graceful oyster]

Cud, like the stuff cows chew

[opaque sigil]

I’ve been meaning to get caves of qud

[ancient mortar]

interestingly enough the developer of everhood 1 and 2 made a documentary about everhood and the sequels reception. and its a bummer as he seems cool af but doesnt seem to understand why people didn't like eh2 as much, and seems to miss the main complaints with it.

[orchid locust]

caves of quid

[hollow void]

i heard that that new tloz fighting game was cool

[light swan]

uh what else

ill likely play a lot of games this year since ihave a whole year with a pc to myself

xenoblade 4 / xenosaga hd might release which has a chance of taking #1

[ancient mortar]

Its a bummer that one of my all time favorite rpgs is impossible to reccomend.

[light swan]

inari may get a high position

[light swan]

dude just recommend them anyway, my favorite games are unrecommendable too

[opaque sigil]

I would be astonished if xenoblade chronicles 4 happened this year

[light swan]

theyve been building up to it

if anything its gonna be some xeno project

[lavish apex]

i'm

[light swan]

blebbles

[lavish apex]

kinda lowering my expectations for

[hollow void]

because no one can get it anymore or because the makers are controversial?

[lavish apex]

whatever monolith puts out next
storywise

[light swan]

i know i should but all the pieces have been laid out

[lavish apex]

x chapter 13 is shit from a butt

[light swan]

even if its just xenosaga doesnt xenosaga have a really good story

[lavish apex]

idk

[opaque sigil]

I wouldn’t use x as a litmus test given the context

[ancient mortar]

Its more that its so hard to describe, as its a mod of a mod of a fangame of a rpg thats a sequel to a yume nikki ripoff. its name is long as fuck and its somehow one of the best settings for a game i've ever played and has the best turn based combat ever.

[light swan]

id like to hope they stick with the xc3/fr quality or at least learn from Xde

i really dont think monolithsoft has been like, trying to create X into a game on par with the others

[ancient mortar]

Its just hard to explain its existence, read the message above this one.

[hollow void]

Ok

[lavish apex]

ig but also my problems with the last act of 3 are contributing

[light swan]

just making it accessible for others so that it can lay the blocks for whats coming after

[lavish apex]

it could just be that i've become way more critical of stuff since i first played 1 and 2 though idk

[ancient mortar]

To drop the name it's a fanmade expansion pack for lisa the pointless called infinity unfolds.

[light swan]

chapter 13 really just felt like preparation for whatever comes next, 70% fanservice 30% yea here you go have a building block

ending of future redeemed and ending of ch13 all point to some vague direction

[ancient mortar]

lisa the pointless is also a fangame of lisa the painful. Which is a sequel to lisa the first, which is one of the darkest games ever made

[light swan]

also i can tell they definitely didnt try with ns2 edition so i really hope theyre just focusing their attention to the next xenoblade game and dont really care about making the previous ones high quality

[orchid locust]

xenogears and xenosaga remaster remake switch 2 port pc port trust ✌️

[graceful oyster]

I have been collecting funny CoQ text boxes

[light swan]

xenogears is never happening

[graceful oyster]

And I threw in a screenshot of my clone army

[light swan]

i think ch13 was monolithsofts only blunder for like 9 years now

[opaque sigil]

I’m mostly just looking forwards to monster hunter stories 3 in like a week atm

[light swan]

future connected was not too bad

[lavish apex]

i need numbered trilogy at 1080p in handheld without whatever dogwater upscaling x ns2 is using

that's all i care about
not even framerate

[light swan]

i never noticed the resolution in xc3 at all because it already looked great for a switch game, until i played Xde

[ancient mortar]

Anyway lisa the pointless is hilarious as its one of the most surreal games. also you play as a washed up martial artist practicing a fake martial art and his buddy whos a gunslinger who refuses to use his gun as he only has one bullet left.

[lavish apex]

i would also be fine with the ns2 itself getting updated to be able to run pixel perfect 720p in handheld for ns1 games

[light swan]

and he uses it to shoot himself in the head at the climax of trhe story

[safe vortex]

When will the next update arrived

[orchid locust]

hop on elite dangerous ✌️ ✌️ (yes that’s 6 stars orbiting each other)

[ancient mortar]

His moveset consists of loading his gun menacingly to frighten enemies and doing gun tricks to distract enemies. \

he also does unfathomable damage by throwing glass bottles at people

But the game is pretty silly in that you are fighting through a post apocalypse but both characters are old men who suck at fighting.

[light swan]

damn their fighting must be pointless

[ancient mortar]

lol

[orchid locust]

or technically it’s like two ternary star systems orbiting each other like a million lightseconds apart

[ancient mortar]

Never getting over the one fight where i fought a clown car full of enemies and won by hucking a molotov into it

1 consumable and the boss fight is just cooked

anyway we should talk about silksong

[lavish apex]

game sucks or something

[ancient mortar]

Sucksong

Wait should i bring out the copypasta again

[lavish apex]

shitsong
am i doing it right

[light swan]

she'llksong

buying laika tonight

[ancient mortar]

nice i think its still 70% off

That games got a great story.

And really fun gameplay

[light swan]

im just interested in a relaxing experience to hop on to at the end of the day

[ancient mortar]

Its defo not the hardest and its got a great ost so id say its pretty relaxing

[light swan]

is there a hard mode and should i play with it

[cerulean raptor]

What place to find grand reed other than song clave farming spot

[ancient mortar]

Not last time i checked

[light swan]

they only spawn there unfortunately

[cerulean raptor]

Damn

[ancient mortar]

but difficulty is pretty fine. Its just not as hard as something like skong

[cursive torrent]

Sup losers

[ancient mortar]

Theres still a few around cogwork dancers arena but thats the only spots there, both sides of that arena

[ancient mortar]

hello

[lavish apex]

there are exactly 5 grand reeds and all of them are surrounding the cogwork dancers arena

[cursive torrent]

Act 3 grinding sucks really bad since a few of the grand reeds die

[light swan]

how good is the laika world

[ancient mortar]

Theres a pretty good spot still near high halls entrance

[ancient mortar]

In what sense?

[light swan]

how nice does it feel to just go through and explore

[ancient mortar]

exploration, aesthetics, story?

[light swan]

exploration

[vivid belfry]

I don't care much for grinding, I just do deliveries and pick up whatever rosaries pop out of things I kill on the way

[sharp slate]

Act 3 grinding sucks really bad since a few of the grand reeds die

[spark anchor]

Crawdaddy has the crawbell for passive rosary gain

[vivid belfry]

can you imagine doing delicate flower repeatedly as a more fun alternative to literally anything

[light swan]

that sounds relaly fun ngl

[simple orbit]

holy shit acat was the best boss soundtrack ever

[graceful oyster]

Oh buddy it only gets better

[cursive torrent]

You have plenty of rosary pockets available to you for early-midgame to afford mostly everything, its just the shops in endgame that suck

[ancient mortar]

Well the mobility is fun as hell, so its enjoyable to go anywhere, I don't remember how many secrets there are but its not as in depth as silksong. Theres a lot of places you can go and sidequests to do, vibes are great the world looks beautiful, good npcs and lore to find all over, fun sidequests too imo. Exploration in general is really fun.

[vivid belfry]

fleatopia delivery is cash money and it's not that dangerous if you have void clusters cleared out

[simple orbit]

so peak

[light swan]

nice nice

[sharp slate]

late game shops are horrible, 1000 per tool is ridiculous

[graceful oyster]

Earlier today I was watching a friend play and he got SO psyched out while fighting Egis it made me so happy

[light swan]

im not looking for silksong or mio level quality in laika

something like nine sols is nice, and nine sols' world is one of it's weaker suits

[ancient mortar]

the onlything that costs 1000+ is the hot tub for bellhome i think

[sharp slate]

My main issue is the fuckiing quest boards, rewards for those dont even pay for donation quests which is INSANE

[graceful oyster]

True that is funny

[cursive torrent]

Just get better routing

[cursive torrent]

Don't impulse buy stuff

[light swan]

i buy out shops as soon as i can

nevermind i dont buy ouyt shops i only get the stuff i need

[cursive torrent]

I think im gonna start muting anyone who posts mio now

[graceful oyster]

Do it you won't

[sharp slate]

i remeber how horrible 100% speedrun achievment was because of grinding tbh

[light swan]

why

[graceful oyster]

You have hate in your heart

[spark anchor]

There’s barely anything to buy in act 3 other than the ones you missed

[cursive torrent]

Its getting old

[graceful oyster]

It's quite new actually

[spark anchor]

Groal speech bubble

[light swan]

games barely been out for a month

[cursive torrent]

Talk about silksong in the sklksong discord

[graceful oyster]

Buddy this is sk disc

[light swan]

we talk about silksong more than enough

[ancient mortar]

I pretty much discussed all the skong there is to discuss atp

[light swan]

think of it this way

[rocky lotus]

Why would we talk about silksong in the sklksong discord

[graceful oyster]

Silksong has been exhausted

[light swan]

if chat is talking about mio, that likely means chat doesnt' have anything silksong related to talk about

[sharp slate]

tbh im trying to avoid mio spoilers like the plague because i plan to play it when i got time

[graceful oyster]

When new players come here to talk we will talk with them

[flat lynx]

technically it would be someone else saying that to groal

[lavish apex]

i like it when games put treats in every nook and cranny

[cursive torrent]

Yeah but body is chill because they don't jump ship onto the next vania they see

[spark anchor]

Lore tablets in bilewater…

[ancient mortar]

Here lets discuss my sick clips guys /j

[minor sparrow]

And specifically in the silksong discussion channel

[light swan]

i saw mio back in 2024 my friend what makes you think i jumped on it immediately

[spark anchor]

Hater so big he sucked the soul out of a shaman offering help

[graceful oyster]

I saw it a month or two before release

[flat lynx]

wait ive read most of them, i thought all of bilewaters people just hated the citadel cus of the waste they put in them, ESPECIALLY groal

[graceful oyster]

Had it wishlisted for a minute

[spark anchor]

Yes that is correct

[cursive torrent]

Lots of ignored messages /srs

[flat lynx]

bro seth was so weirdly hard for me for like no reason

[spark anchor]

They hang the bodies of pilgrims and reeds on stakes

They’re that hateful

[minor sparrow]

0/25 no sharpdart and didn't provide your sources in mla format

See me after class

[light swan]

._.

[ancient mortar]

hes one of the harder bosses.

[graceful oyster]

Guys look this Discord user can't find enough solace in ignoring other Discord users, he has to announce it to gain gratification

[cursive torrent]

Must've been the wind

[flat lynx]

and there was that one entrance fully made out of citadel workers bodies

[light swan]

i feel bad for shadow

[flat lynx]

like a TON of attack spam for such a small target

[light swan]

they came into this channel asking about mio on their own without knowing what mio is already like in this channel

and now theyre getting targeted for talking about mio

[cursive torrent]

/j this is a big bit if yall thought this was serious im sorry

[graceful oyster]

Too much hate in the world man

[light swan]

you did put /srs if that doesnt mean /serious i dont know what does

[graceful oyster]

/srs implies it's not a joke

[light swan]

whats the point of having /serious if youre gonna joke about it

[cursive torrent]

I did do that huh

[graceful oyster]

That's just lying at that point

[minor sparrow]

Tbf lace and sly do that quite a bit too

[ancient mortar]

some very layered internet beef going on here

[light swan]

"this is not a drill. this is NOT A drill. you are ALL going to die. reminder this is not a drill. just kidding yall are safe, if it wasnt obvious i was joking and this was all a drill"

[cursive torrent]

Sorry 😔

[flat lynx]

also sidenote considering how you have phantom as your pfp, do you know their lore? i know phantoms one of gms's technical children but not much else

[light swan]

gms child who was cast out into exhaust organ and slowly decayed there or smth

[spark anchor]

They don’t have much backstory to begin with and im angry and sad

[flat lynx]

yep, fun bosses but they were hard for me cus of that same pattern

[light swan]

lace's sibling

[ancient mortar]

Looks at this soothing yeastfly to calm your nerves

[cursive torrent]

I like soothing yeastfly

[lavish apex]

mio is a really good new metroidvania, silksong is a really good slightly less new but way more popular metroidvania so it makes sense that people would want to talk about mio here to me

[light swan]

those are beast crest claw marks

[lavish apex]

as someone who has participated

[flat lynx]

awww man phantom's one of my favourite bosses

[light swan]

if the conversation naturally drifts towards mio then i dont see the problem

[rocky lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/durr-durr-emoji-tiktok-emoji-i-need-that-emoji-please-durr-drooling-gif-14255143182563821488

[light swan]

obviously theres times where i say "lets talk about mio" but i never really carry on with it nor am i very serious, just a quick lil troll/comment

[graceful oyster]

Discussing peak in the less peak channel

[ancient mortar]

now look at the evil and alarming pinterest to make you angry with its startling red

[minor sparrow]

I can understand the gripe though as there is a channel dedicated to off-topic discussions. If it's brought about in an orderly way determines how I feel about it

[graceful oyster]

I use it as a way to say the topic is hot garbage

[light swan]

i need to turn this into a gif

[spark anchor]

Welll they were discarded and forgotten by gms, frayed and then exiled to the exhaust organ at some point, either by gms or the citadel.

[cursive torrent]

I love this fairy/flying type with ability well-baked body, hidden ability aroma veil, base stats of 57 hp, 80 attack, 115 defense, 50 special attack, 80 special defense, 90 speed

[light swan]

are they drinking through their eye or siphoning their brain's orange juice into the cup

[spark anchor]

Sip

[ancient mortar]

Part of yeastflies charm is that its so fucking poorly drawn

[flat lynx]

mann, icl even though i do prefer hk lore wise, i LOVE all the weaver bossfights

[rocky lotus]

Its charm is that its so fucking delicious

[ancient mortar]

i can't eat gluten

[cursive torrent]

I think its like penny from gumball, they are just like

[light swan]

ggs yall

[ancient mortar]

tragically, not yeastfly for me

[cursive torrent]

Hollow

[minor sparrow]

I can and will eat that mf for you

[flat lynx]

do you reckon its made of sourdough or some other kind of bread

[cursive torrent]

They are a hollow knight if you will

[light swan]

why does ||acat use the spine keeper vocals motif|| MIO TRUE FINAL BOSS SPOILERSS

[ancient mortar]

I don't think you want to unlock yeast crest

[minor sparrow]

It's a sacrifice I must make for my curiosity

[light swan]

is the final boss secretly a musing nacre engraver

[lavish apex]

why does the stargazing sequence make me cry

[split cape]

Hornet and the creature

[severe prism]

https://youtu.be/QERhruRiLk4?si=cyHk9aPXx6lvusBy

Where’s sea of sorrow?

[placid citrus]

right here

[light swan]

its always been the candle place thats made me emotional, never the climb up to there

[severe prism]

https://tenor.com/view/shot-out-of-a-cannon-patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-the-patrick-star-show-fire-away-gif-22559332

[spark anchor]

Speaking of emotion

[graceful oyster]

When I sent my message this morning it's because I went up there to record the music and I got super emotional for some reason too

[placid citrus]

everyone asks where is sea of sorrow but no one ever asks how is sea of sorrow..

[light swan]

reminder that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hDGULBBcK4 this is one of the saddest things ever

[spark anchor]

I’ve never really heard of emotional bossfights where the emotion is rage and not sadness

Like the underdog fighting their bully

[rocky lotus]

Look within your heart and maybe you will find that the sea of sorrow was within you all along

[graceful oyster]

By the way I have the stargazing music recorded if anyone wants it

[light swan]

they nailed the vibes of the shard candle place sooo beautifuly

[light swan]

send

[lavish apex]

||when it plays in the true ending|| mio spoilers

[severe prism]

Fuck that

[light swan]

ikr

[graceful oyster]

It's a colossal and unoptimized file so do with it what you will

[lavish apex]

like how colossal

[minor sparrow]

||the silk makes the song|| hk silksong spoilers

[graceful oyster]

~70 MB

[light swan]

hearing it again after both this and the og place just hits different

[rocky lotus]

Fucking delete this right now

You just ruined my first playthrough

[light swan]

im so impressed that mio kept up to all of my high standards of it ngl

[graceful oyster]

I think I get emotional at the ||stargazing sequence because after the whole game I can really feel Mio and Asma's connection like I'm right there. We get only snippets of it and it's just so strong.|| Mio spoilers

That's a poor description of it

It's hard to put in words

[lavish apex]

i didn't even fully understand what was happening in the story at the time

[graceful oyster]

I wasn't impacted by it my first time, it's now that I have the full picture that I am

Also, I made the climb with SFX turned off and that was amazing

Just hearing the music

[light swan]

for me its purely the shard candle place that makes me feel that connection

[formal scroll]

Hello dudes

[light swan]

the first time i was just in awe that ||i was actually in space||

[rocky lotus]

Mio looks like a generic hk clone from what ive seen but i will enter it with an open mind bc i havent seen that much

[light swan]

oh boy...

[light swan]

hello !!

[formal scroll]

Havent played mio or any other metroidvania games

[graceful oyster]

It's just so not

[light swan]

for reference mio is one of the most out of the box metroidvanias ive ever heard of

[formal scroll]

Just only played like hk and sk and nothin else

[light swan]

it breaks so many "rules" and does it so damn well and it feels so much different from hk

[graceful oyster]

Again, I have 650 hrs in HK and I can assure you MIO paves its own path

[formal scroll]

Whats it like

[light swan]

it is purely it's own masterpiece

[rocky lotus]

Cool

[light swan]

um really good really really good

[tight viper]

This was very annoying to set up, at least the fight itself didn't take long

[graceful oyster]

Heavier platforming focus. Really pretty. Space and robots.

Sad story.

[flat wadi]

wtf, completion checklist says i got 99% but in game it says 98%? huh

[formal scroll]

Like what kind of good yk, like is it the type of game that puts you in awe of its beauty or like idk somethin more adrenaline inducing

[formal scroll]

Prolly the curved claw thing

[lavish apex]

i can see how it might sort of look like an hk clone on the surface but in reality it is

[flat wadi]

no i got that upgraded

[lavish apex]

so absurdly far from that

[flat wadi]

i got curvesickle

[graceful oyster]

This was poorly phrased

[formal scroll]

Yeah when you upgrade curveclaw you lose a percentagw

[flat wadi]

oh what.

[kind tide]

I have a cuevesickle irl

[flat wadi]

even if you get it back?

[lavish apex]

yeah my message breaking thing might have screwed that up LOL

[formal scroll]

Yeag cause youre giving away your tool

[kind tide]

From a certain point of view

[tight viper]

Curvesickle gives you the percentage back

[flat wadi]

you get it back though wtf

[glacial kelp]

me when i do an entire steel soul playthrough for a clip

[formal scroll]

Apparentlu yeah i think

[flat wadi]

i did get it back...

[light swan]

beauty, the exploration and stuff just captures you in

[formal scroll]

Ah okay

[light swan]

the movement is super satisfying and that translates to both combat and exploration

[tight viper]

Must be something else, got a screenshot of your inventory?

[sharp slate]

i forgot this thing existed

[light swan]

combat is super nervewracking and intense, and you feel like a beast

[tight viper]

So did the maker of the Pantheon of Pharloom mod

[flat wadi]

hmm.

[sharp slate]

thank god it did

[glacial kelp]

also does it have its own theme what is that

[flat wadi]

• 57/57 tools

[kind tide]

Erm, guys?

[tight viper]

Talk to Eva, find that last spool

[sharp slate]

well i guess it make s the challenge more annoying for you

[glacial kelp]

check tool pouch?

[flat wadi]

yeah but that only makes up 1%

[sharp slate]

but im glad its not in the actual pantheon

[tight viper]

Yeah

[flat wadi]

4 + 4

[tight viper]

Makes up 2%

Eva is 1, the Spool is the other

[glacial kelp]

eva is 1 + spool is one

[placid citrus]

silksong's inv looks so cool fr

[flat wadi]

really?

[tight viper]

Dark Descent is the ost name I think?

[glacial kelp]

yes

[flat wadi]

the other spools are .5% then?

[tight viper]

Plays during void arena fights

[tight viper]

I guess each fragment is .5%, sure

Each whole spool is worth 1%

[flat wadi]

what about eva.

[light swan]

lets make this into a speech bubble

[glacial kelp]

weird way of counting it ig

[formal scroll]

I drank eva

[glacial kelp]

eva gives slyphsong which is a percentage

[tight viper]

Talk to eva, if nothing happens, you need more memory lockets

[flat wadi]

i got all vesticrests

[glacial kelp]

you dont have slyphsong

[lavish apex]

😭

the contents of that message by itself aren't what i meant

[formal scroll]

Also how do you get the uhhh vesticrests anyway is it from the number of crests you have or memory lockets you have

[flat wadi]

oh.

[tight viper]

Yes

[flat wadi]

hmm

[kind tide]

Erm, GUYS?

[formal scroll]

[glacial kelp]

they aint wrong whats the issue

[flat wadi]

thanks

[tight viper]

It's based on the total number of tool and spell slots you have, not including ones from the Hunter crest

[graceful oyster]

Mio not having corpse runs or contact damage plays a huge role in why the gameplay loop is so freeing relative to HK I think

[placid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-deltarune-dance-meme-interrupt-gif-8783642201275306821

[formal scroll]

Okay so like what did the first hunters upgrade do anyway brah

[tight viper]

So getting new crests, and getting memory lockets that you can use on those crests, both contribute to getting the vesticrest

[light swan]

mio SPOILERRS ||why dont we just drain shii's nacre pool to get our nacre back and not have to do the deed of the true ending||

[tight viper]

For progressing with Eva's upgrades, it didn't do anything, no

[formal scroll]

No like what did it even upgrade

[light swan]

doesnt evo 1 give you a boost

[tight viper]

That's just the first upgrade you get from her, regardless of how many slots you have unlocked

[glacial kelp]

greed ending where you just drain the entire thing

[tight viper]

Hunter crest now has a focus mechanic, if you do X number of hits without taking damage, you get a damage buff

[graceful oyster]

Uh he'd just like kill us

[glacial kelp]

they already do that though

[tight viper]

There's a little bar on the hunter crest now, you can see it fill up with each successful hit

[light swan]

i think youd get like 1.3x damage from max hunter crest at evo 1

[formal scroll]

I thought id get that after like, the last upgrade of hunters crest

[graceful oyster]

Evo wizard

[tight viper]

That gives you another level to the focus mechanic

[formal scroll]

After i drank eva and got slyphsong and fully upgraded hunter

Ahh okay

[light swan]

for the first upgrade you go up to 1.3x

for the second upgrade aftretr 1.3x you can keep going to 1.5x

[formal scroll]

mmmmokay

[lavish apex]

this might be sacrilegious but i think i prefer silksong's movement to mio's

[flat lynx]

wait ganf qhat does the hunters upgrade actually do

[formal scroll]

Whats sacrilegious

[lavish apex]

not downplaying how good mio's is

[tight viper]

Rewards you for dealing damage without getting hit

[lavish apex]

but it's just way more fun to me

[light swan]

killed murdered symmetrically separated eviscerated and atomically aviscerated

[flat lynx]

ohhh, is the reward a damage multiplier>??

[rocky lotus]

Only to the mio cult it is

[formal scroll]

But im prolly not replaying slyphsong again since ive already beaten act 3 n lowk too lazy to do other things

And also yes ive done lost verdania it was very good

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-american-psycho-business-card-gif-25561759

[formal scroll]

Other than mementos and tools,spools,masks i havent gotten

[lavish apex]

hairpin and striders are really cool and fun and unique but the process of using them is just not as fundamentally satisfying to me and pretty much all of mio's content revolves around one of them

[ancient mortar]

33% needle damgage buff at rank 1 and 50% at rank 2

[lavish apex]

energy is also kind of fucking annoying

but i understand why it works the way it does sort of

[light swan]

i love energy 😢

[flat lynx]

wait thats lowkey good

[graceful oyster]

Energy is so peak

[formal scroll]

jort

[light swan]

i understand striders but i think it makes natural traversal more interesting than something like wall jump

[ancient mortar]

Exceptionally good if you can maintain it. Almost as good as raged beast

[lavish apex]

i'm not a fan of how it keeps draining even after you stop using an ability until you get a recharge

[formal scroll]

Can we lowk just eviscerate lace from existance for no reason

[light swan]

i dont think anything can compare to hairpin obviously

sunsail definitely beats out regular drifters

[sharp slate]

based

[light swan]

but even then since you stay in place sail feels better in that regard

[ancient mortar]

@tight viper did you do the silksongdle today? i got it in 2 guesses

[tight viper]

Not yet

[light swan]

ehhh that’s fair but i like how mindful you gotta be to use it properly

cant just chill out uou gotta be smart with energy management

it makes the split second decision making much more interesting at least for me

[lavish apex]

there are also

some upgrades in mio that i think are a bit questionable
but it's hard to add anything else that feels impactful when hairpin and striders are the way they are

like harvester not being an innate mechanic was something i thought was pretty weird

[light swan]

the only think in silksong id really say it beats over mio is sprint

[light swan]

this is true

i think slingshot is fucking awesome but the problem isnt that it’s bad but that the game didnt fully utilize it

[lavish apex]

slingshot is pretty lame

[light swan]

but the concept is peak and when it’s in use it’s really damn good

but it literally only has 3 places where you can use it

[graceful oyster]

I generally like targeting and I do wish it was used in platforming way more

[light swan]

||pip forebearers, counter measures, and coating component under crow||

in combat, optimizing slingshot in your damage feels super good

[lavish apex]

probably true

[light swan]

in platforming it’s amazing every time it’s used which is a total of twice

the tutorial, and counter measures

aside from that it’s pretty much a gate and a combat option and nothing else

[tight viper]

Done

[ancient mortar]

howd it go

[tight viper]

I'm not good at the classic one, I'm only good at the other ones lol

[kind tide]

Erm, guys?

[fresh oracle]

silksong's issue for me is that the game is so fucking painful at the early stages that it becomes a massive pain to do anything

you have less health, everything deals 2 hearts, you barely have any skills nor tools, and you dont have the right movement abilities

the game gets more enjoyable late-late game but its just a drag earlygame

[ancient mortar]

for classic drapemite is the most goated opener.

[tight viper]

the location one was bs

[fresh oracle]

doesn't help that silksong is objectively way more punishing than hk

[lavish apex]

my 2 main problems with silksong boil down to

[tight viper]

there's nothing specific, it could be any part of that area pretty much

[lavish apex]

shell shards + red tools

and act 3 entry requirements

[light swan]

shairpin costs shell shards to use

[lavish apex]

also kind of the economy design

as well

[light swan]

oh man if mio gets a path of pain in a dlc

[tight viper]

I just open with Aknid

[light swan]

i am forcing axelato to make regeneratabke slingshot walls no matter what

[fresh oracle]

my number 1 issue with silksong is how punishing the early game is

[fresh oracle]

it doesn't feel fun at all

[light swan]

imagine if the ||right crucible|| blades could be and needed to be slingshot

[tight viper]

They should add another mask to Act 1

[flat lynx]

tbh what got me through it was the areas, compared to hk, early game was hella vibrant and lively

[lavish apex]

because while it's sort of a cool ludonarrative element it just ends up encouraging grinding

even after the patch

[lavish apex]

instead of say how hk1, mio, or hyper light drifter do it

[graceful oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1435957338493292645/noita-20250430-011002-1512440228-00362102.gif

[lavish apex]

where they use it as an instrument to make exploration feel consistently rewarding

[ancient mortar]

Drapemite has the potential to clear like 90% of the roster, mainly as its grey and all over the citadel. any answer it gives on its color or location is super informative

[fresh oracle]

chug 5 liters of poison or argue with a silksong dickrider you have 10 seconds to choose

[kind tide]

Wada hek he lived

[kind tide]

Argue

[graceful oyster]

That's me and yes, I had I think 200-something health at the time

[kind tide]

(I will rage bait them)

[tight viper]

my problem is I just have no idea how much hp and how many kills are required for the vast majority of enemies

also the enemy colors are weird at times

[ancient mortar]

oh are you not using the feature that gives you the whole list of characters and the stats and colors it applies to them?

[tight viper]

too lazy

[ancient mortar]

if you get somehting like the kills number you can search through and find all the enemies with that amount, realy narrows it down.

[lavish apex]

in silksong, instead of like hk1 or mio where the vast majority of things are found out in the overworld or you consistently get a lot of currency to buy them from exploration, many of the best rewards are locked behind mediocre quests or overpriced in shops with how the currency distribution is

[tight viper]

also prefer to just try and remember the numbers

[graceful oyster]

Silksong's quest slog and economy is really keeping me from wanting to do normal playthroughs. It always has to be a challenge run to be worth it

Why did they remove boss rewards

[light swan]

i remember thinking the tool progression ws kind of ass in silksong

for so much of the game yiu have no good options

[graceful oyster]

The boss exploding into geo is like the best part in HK

[tight viper]

They didn't remove them, they just reworked them

[light swan]

warding bell and compass were all you had

[tight viper]

Instead of a new spell or something, they just give you access to some new area

[graceful oyster]

Yippee, access

That doesn't feel rewarding

[light swan]

i think bosses need both short terms and long term rewards

in the long term it’s good for progression but after people beat a bosss they want to be rewarded immediately

[lavish apex]

the difference is in hk or mio or like even the blasphemous games you get some other element of progression from beating them pretty consistently

[tight viper]

I'm honestly fine with how the bosses are because I just really enjoy fighting them all

[light swan]

that sense of “niceeee i got a bunch of rosaries” after struggling is important

[lavish apex]

in silksong that happens maybe like 25% of the time

[tight viper]

Or, most of them at least

The ones I don't enjoy either have rewards or aren't even close to being required for anything at all

[light swan]

in mio there’s maybe like 3 bosses that don’t have an immediate reward

[spark anchor]

That only applies to some bosses though

Namely crystal/enraged guardian and soul warrior

And vengefly king that eats zote

[light swan]

it’s still a good practice to provide short term and long term engagement

[lavish apex]

moss mother gives nothing, lace gives nothing, fourth chorus gives nothing, moorwing gives nothing, sister splinter gives nothing, last judge gives nothing, coggies give nothing, lace 2 gives nothing

[light swan]

that’s what pacing fundamentally is

[tight viper]

Mossy, technically the colo bosses

[lavish apex]

like every boss you'll fight on a low skill speedrun just has no reward except widow

[spark anchor]

Lace 2 gives a silk heart

[light swan]

keep engagement by providing short term feedback and challenge

[graceful oyster]

Everything that doesn't either gives you something directly or has a chest/reward nearby

[light swan]

rewards

[spark anchor]

Moorwing gives a beast shard if fought in act 2

[ancient mortar]

does anyone here still play tf2?

[graceful oyster]

Beast shards are only relevant to tool spammers

[spark anchor]

me.

[ancient mortar]

its one of the only like pvp games that still catches my interest.

[graceful oyster]

I have never cracked a beast shard. Ever.

They're a nothing reward

[spark anchor]

You ever play left 4 dead 2

[lavish apex]

i have on my steel soul playthroughs

[spark anchor]

My man

[ancient mortar]

Have you tried tf2 classified, its a mod available on steam

[lavish apex]

but i agree they're mediocre

[spark anchor]

I havent but im planning to this weekend

[ancient mortar]

its great when you can find a server

heavy is actually really buffed significantly, while kinda significantly.

and the new weapons and modes are amazing

[spark anchor]

Ough yeah ive seen pre-release footage that one new rifle sniper has looks fun

[ancient mortar]

i love that heavy doesnt have the damage debuff in the first second of revving

[light swan]

yea uh ||i only remember acat||

[copper hedge]

tf2c is basically if the community made good updates for tf2 without the bloat

[ancient mortar]

also the lack of mini sentries is refreshing

soldiers anchor is hilariously fun to use

[graceful oyster]

||Overseer||

[light swan]

||bosses like sv have black widow rifht there even tho yiu need to climb a bit for lore, bosses like cald and flora all have a key||

[light swan]

meh i hardly count that since yiu actualky get to use it way later usually

[graceful oyster]

And an old core technically

[light swan]

who the fuck cares about those

[graceful oyster]

Early game players

[light swan]

the scorpion deserves a better reward

[graceful oyster]

True

[light swan]

true never mind i remember hungering over old cores in mg 2nd playthrough

[graceful oyster]

I love watching new players crap their pants at the scorpion

[lavish apex]

compared to hk;
false knight gives geo and city crest
mawlek gives a mask shard
hornet gives dash
mantis lords give mop, tons of geo, pacify other mantises
soul master gives dive and tons of geo
you get wings immediately after vessel
dd... is kind of an exception but you do at least get defender's crest even if it sucks ass
i could go on

[light swan]

dd leads super close to ismas ig

[lavish apex]

mio is structured a very similar way

[light swan]

but i woudlnt count it either if we aren’t counting splister

[lavish apex]

bosses still give nacre even if it isn't a lot

[graceful oyster]

Dd was always fine to me because it gave so much access but yeah. It can't be counted for rewards bosses.

[light swan]

and there’s always something you get immediately after

[lavish apex]

like the fact that none of them in silksong even drop shell shards

is
so bizarre to me

[graceful oyster]

[lavish apex]

let alone rosaries for the ones that would obviously make sense for

[light swan]

let’s talk about every miniboss in the xenoblades giving you a fast travel point

[graceful oyster]

Last Judge should drop like 400 rosaries

[light swan]

that’s such a good incentive in addition to more juicy accessories all the time

[lavish apex]

true

[light swan]

i forget they do that

[copper hedge]

i thought lace 2 gives a silk heart

[ancient mortar]

Bosses should drop shell shards on stagger

[lavish apex]

1 and 2 doesn't have that which is an l

[light swan]

it’s just extra juice

[tight viper]

she does

[lavish apex]

oh actually yeah lace 2 does give a silk heart

[tight viper]

last judge also grants you access to a spool fragment

[light swan]

oh they don’t? i swear you could tp to moonlight leywin or whatever

[sharp slate]

based

[graceful oyster]

This is good

[lavish apex]

my bad
i guess that counts

[spark anchor]

From grand gate or fleas

[tight viper]

and a tool pouch and the egg of flealia, in the same way

[lavish apex]

silk hearts don't feel very useful to me but

[copper hedge]

that depends if the player knew about climbing up those scale steps. otherwise, theyre straight into underworks

[light swan]

groal giving only seekers soul, something i had 0 use for at the time, was pretth annoying

[spark anchor]

Last judge needs to be killed before fleas move