sk-discussion

[earnest drift]

why do you glaze silksong so much

[lapis halo]

okay idk

[rocky lotus]

[floral delta]

[rocky lotus]

your name is incorrect once again

[south cape]

[rocky lotus]

i think sk is worse than hk anyways

[floral delta]

I think both games are actually turbo-shit and Call of Duty is way better

[rocky lotus]

truer words have not been said

[sharp slate]

thats.... weird as fuck

[lapis halo]

DO Yall Genuinely Think Sheo And The Nailsmith are gay

[ancient mortar]

The best game of 2025 was look outside

[ancient mortar]

Its literally canon, the achievement for finding them toghether is "happy couple"

[rocky lotus]

looks cool but the gameplay looks really boring ngl

[leaden mauve]

its canon to the lore

[lapis halo]

when cause i dont rlly now the Lore to those guys

[flat lynx]

yeap

[leaden mauve]

get sheos nail art and get the pure nail but dont kill the nailsmith and then go to sheos hut

[lapis halo]

or to any of the nail artists

[ancient mortar]

Depends on if you are into turn based rpgs ig. Its one of the more engaging combat systems in that genre. Mainly a story game full of exploration. The combat is good too, but its a lot of puzzle solving and exploration.

[lapis halo]

I Lowkirkuinly Slaughtered that guy

in cold blood

[ancient mortar]

The reason they are considered a couple is because the achievement when you meet them toghether, its called "happy couple"

[lapis halo]

no regrets

[earnest drift]

is volt filament bad on beast crest

[rocky lotus]

i dont mind turn based combat it just reminded me of omori or off where you just spam attack over and over again but i could be misremembering so please correct me if im wrong

[coarse leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-npc-gate-pilgrim-clanging-bell-gif-13131745694990626744

[ancient mortar]

the only crest it isnt good on is archi. Otherwise its goated. hyperaggressive beast with cross stitch is busted.

[earnest drift]

but then you're spending silk on spells when you should be binding

[flat lynx]

id say it just depends on how good you are with the crest

[sharp slate]

beast is really up in the air for best blue imo, injector, sawtooth of volt filament imo

[lapis halo]

reapers crest so good, but yall HATE IT

[rotund canyon]

Reapers is like training wheels

[ancient mortar]

Combat reminds me more of lisa series, good use of status effects and non damaging moves are extremely helpful to survival. Off is famous for having the worst combat in an rpgmaker game. And omoris is just passable but boring. Look outside is much better especially with its lack of random encounters. Enemies you kill remain dead for the rest of the game. Great partymember variety, great move options and boss design.

[strange knot]

False, false

[earnest drift]

reaper crest is good if you're constantly getting hit and constantly healing the dmg back and you're bad at attacking consistently

[lapis halo]

js as i said its goated

[flat lynx]

depends, if you're more skilled w silk and dont take many hits then its a good investment

[sharp slate]

good for survivability, people bitch about it due to dps though

[rotund canyon]

yeah

[floral delta]

Reaper is... Fine? It's definitely not good but it isn't bad

[lapis halo]

yeah,

[flat lynx]

whos we bro, def not my fave but i never understood the hate

[rotund canyon]

Reaper helped me beat groal

[ancient mortar]

Reaperhas a fun moveset

i think it needs a hefty buff tho

[floral delta]

Tf you buffing on Reaper

[lapis halo]

Yeah not me tho i never encountered Groal

[sharp slate]

honestly just make silk gimmick its passive and boom good enough

[ancient mortar]

that leans into the survivability benifits. because as it stands its silk generation is worse than wanderer.

[rocky lotus]

thx for clarifying. i might give it a try but it doesnt look like something i would be crazy over because i prefer more active combat systems like ultrakill or hk

[neon geyser]

bind

[earnest drift]

i wonder what it'd be like to equip every skill, tool and crest at once

[flat lynx]

i understand the dps argument but at the same time its always irked me how the fanbase is so hellbent on dps when its literally a singleplayer game, with crests for LOTS of different kinds of playstyles

[floral delta]

Hm, I guess

[earnest drift]

half the red tools are binded to up + f, the other half are binded to down + f

[void moat]

say goodbye to your shell shards

[sharp slate]

yea, its starting to be less of a thing on this server it seems, what irks me is when people yell about dps but they are hitting a grandreed with no ai standing still

[flat lynx]

bro i dont think i have enough keys for that, i supoose if you were on controller you could set each tool to a degree you turn your joystick to or smth

[earnest drift]

the bind heals 3 masks by default, but also sends out the witch tentacles to heal another 3 masks, and you get sent into fury during which you can heal another 3 masks
also you get reaper's bind effect

[sharp slate]

i think im slowly starting to mash it into people skulls that standing still grand reeds are the best aspect of dps

[lapis halo]

i became immortal in sk

in 2025 tho

[flat lynx]

wait im so sorry what does the second half of your sentence mean

[ancient mortar]

Heres my proposed reaper buff, the silk orbs from the bind give 1/2 silk instead of 1 third, binds draw all silk orbs to you, the bind state doesnt end when you get hit, and during the bind state spells you hit enemies with refund half their cost in orbs. Additionally someone else had an idea that reaper should have a sweet spot in its hitbox (like dark souls scythes) that deals extra damage to reward skilled players spacing properly.

[void moat]

pretty sure they give half a silk

[earnest drift]

and you cast all 6 spells at the same time

[rocky lotus]

nope they give 1/3

[sharp slate]

People talk about damage numbers by measuring against/hitting grand reed (enemy) that is standing still and not attacking

[ancient mortar]

silk orbs are 1/3 last i checked.

[void moat]

dayum that’s ass

[void moat]

give it armor piercing

[ancient mortar]

Yeah unfortunatly as it stands reaper isnt even the best survivability crest as its silk regen is worse than wanderer. My buff idea is basically that it should lean into being the best crest for survivability and also an early game mage crest (give it 2 spell slots)

[sharp slate]

disagree for newer players though, imo reaper is easier on newer players

[void moat]

unique idea but i dont think 2 spell slots would fit, the abilities should lean more into the farming aspect of it, itd be cool

[solemn basalt]

Is this official hollow knight server?

[sharp slate]

yep

[strange knot]

Ye

[flat lynx]

mbmb i dont memorise the names of many silksong enemies, but 100% , people just dont take into account that esp with bosses there is a LOT of time for your reaper to 'reload' cus a lot of silksong bosses have punish windows shoved in between flurries of attacks

[ancient mortar]

the spell refund part does lean into the greymoor lore, since they recyle expended silk.

[void moat]

yeah i get it, im just not too heavy on the 2 spell slots

[ancient mortar]

the 2 spell slots is just a little bonus to tack on as we have no 2 spells one red crest.

[solemn basalt]

Is there a port hollow knight server ?

[sharp slate]

its all good, main thing that annoys me when people were intially bashing pale nails dps, when it is one of the top dps silk skills for bosses because it can be used when they are offscreen for example

standing still grand reed doesnt give you that type of insight

[ancient mortar]

Idk why anyone ever hated pale nails, its up there with silkspear in its utility, better in certain situations.

[sharp slate]

because its damage is "bad"

[ancient mortar]

its the same as spear no?

[sharp slate]

yep....

[ancient mortar]

spear is considered good for dps

[strange knot]

I ❤️ silkspear

[still osprey]

Each nail deals 1x needle damage, for a total of 3x needle damage, same as silk spear

[ancient mortar]

theres only one bad spell in the entire game

[sharp slate]

cross stitch /s

[strange knot]

I kinda hate them cuz I find them boring

[flat lynx]

WHO is slandering pale nails bro 😭 not my fave silk ability but there are so many opportunities where it can come in clutch, i personally think that 'bad' damage is a good payoff for a built in aimbot that shoots for you

[still osprey]

I just prefer silk spear it's very versatile

[sharp slate]

i should really change my name back to cross stitch hater, i got so many people mad about it

[ancient mortar]

the spell balance is largely pretty great its just theres 2 outliers of worst and best being so far apart from the rest.

[rocky lotus]

idk why but something about pale nails just satisfies me idk why

[sharp slate]

cross stitch is the best defensive spell but i still prefer sharpdart

[rocky lotus]

its prob objectively the most boring skill tho

[ancient mortar]

as a cross stitch fan stitch needs a damage nerf.

[flat lynx]

SHARPDART APPRECIATION

[solemn basalt]

Does the port version of Hollow Knight have a server of those who made it?

[ancient mortar]

How balanced is sharpdart? i dont use it enough. is it as busted as stitch?

[sharp slate]

yea, honestly just revert the change tbh, to be fair sharpdart will still outclass it anyways for pantheon speedruns if they release it 5 years

sharp dart is really strong for dps imo

[still osprey]

It deals like 70 damage iirc while also providing iframes, the key difference is the windup it has

[sharp slate]

iframes are kinda just an enabler, startup takes a little bit to learn, but its not too bad

[solemn basalt]

..

[still osprey]

It's, kind of stupid

[flat lynx]

if used correctly, it serves a similar purpose to the stitch where it can help you dodge attacks if timed correctly, its essentially just silksongs shade cloak except it deals a lotta damage

[still osprey]

Like, in a "this is really good" kind of way

[strange knot]

I think there is a hollow knight mobile server but idk tbh

[still osprey]

It's like sharp shadow if it was a good charm

[ancient mortar]

sharp shadow if it was goated.

[solemn basalt]

🥀

[ancient mortar]

shit yo ubeat me to it

[flat lynx]

yeah thats one drawback, you gotta have good timing but you could have a similar argument for cross stitch cus you need a good reaction time

[sharp slate]

let me get my sharpdart propoganda back out

[still osprey]

I think I just prefer how instant cross stitch is

Dude I'm so happy thread storm is actually balanced now

[ancient mortar]

stitch is the better pure defensive tool definitely. sharpdart is a amazing hybrid in its nutty damage and good iframes.

[still osprey]

It was actually so stupid before the nerfs

[flat lynx]

what happened to it?

[strange knot]

Dmg got nerfed

[still osprey]

It used to be able to deal like 200 damage or smth

[sharp slate]

i will say cross stitch being instant is really nice, skill based parry is cool

[flat lynx]

bruhh what its literally THE hornet silk skill

[flat lynx]

really wanna get the hang of it one day

[still osprey]

Unrelated to the skill itself but I also love how Hornet doesn't Bind Cross Stitch, she sees Phantom doing that and decides it has enough aura and learns to do it too from them

[lavish apex]

i like sharp shadow

[strange knot]

Silk spear

[earnest drift]

rune rage is THE pure vessel skill

[flat lynx]

-# close second trust

[sharp slate]

i will say as well for silkskills its crazy when 3 of us were trying all bosses hitless, we each used a different silk skill which is nuts imo

you think there would be a consensus which is best for hitless, but not atm

[flat lynx]

bro i would love rune rage if i didnt have to float in the air for five seconds before it even activated only to miss cus the boss ducked out of the way

[still osprey]

Every silk skill has potential

Except rune rage

[strange knot]

And it sucks just like pv /s

[earnest drift]

when pure vessel uses the focus attack it's the easiest attack to dodge and punish

foreshadowing that rune rage is awful

[strange knot]

Tru

[rocky lotus]

i find the blades that it fires to be the easiest to punish

[leaden mauve]

whats /s

[neon geyser]

sarcasm

[earnest drift]

but for focus it stays still for like 8 seconds

[flat lynx]

whats a boss attack or weapon yall think would make a good playable weapon for hornet

[earnest drift]

send shade souls while it focuses, then run up and quickslash 5 times

easy 200 dmg

[strange knot]

Trobbio’s bombs

[earnest drift]

the bolas the timothee chalamets throw

[flat lynx]

trobbio?????????

[earnest drift]

sort of a mix between sting shard and pimpillo

[neon geyser]

Unravelled spears

[lapis halo]

Silk arrow

[fossil socket]

Groals vengeful spirit :3

[earnest drift]

she would carry only one and it deals 200 dmg instantly

[strange knot]

And it’d be called spear of justice

[earnest drift]

costs 80 shell shards to replenish

[fossil socket]

for funni

[fossil socket]

seem more like a hammer of justice

[flat lynx]

lmao she can match with the knight

[lapis halo]

Undyne Reference

[old raft]

there is a taking npc in songclaves saying he heard child laughing in the chroal chamber
is he crazy or is this some lore

[fossil socket]

exactlyy peak

[earnest drift]

that's lace

[old raft]

ohhhhhh

[earnest drift]

he is very lucky he didn't investigate further

[old raft]

i am actually so stupid its YOU

[strange knot]

Why would spear be hammer

[old raft]

i was think about fleas

[rocky lotus]

the crown fragment skull tyrant drops

it would be like havels weapon from dark souls

[flat lynx]

ooohhh wait lowkey

[fossil socket]

because gerson

[earnest drift]

gerson no diffs shade lord

[rocky lotus]

not really an attack or weapon but i want to use havels weapon as hornet

[fossil socket]

"What? another titan?"

[lavish apex]

karmelita's blad- oh wait

[fossil socket]

The hollow knight is a knight that roars soooo hes the roaring knight

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[rocky lotus]

it would be slow but it would cause shock waves when hornet is on the ground

like false knight or whatever

[strange knot]

Last judge judged you in a hall so they are sans

[fossil socket]

true

[lapis halo]

Yoo Life Ender

[lavish apex]

oh that's a good idea

lj's censer

[flat lynx]

bladder????? what were you gonna say

[lavish apex]

blades

[flat lynx]

OHHHH

[lavish apex]

talking about which boss weapons would be cool playable

[vast grove]

why do the berries in silksong kinda look like goose berry

[lavish apex]

the joke is that they are already

(curvesickle)

[earnest drift]

what about gurr's weapons

[ancient mortar]

basically just sting shard

[lavish apex]

pretty much just sting shards yeah

[fossil socket]

gurr son thats a good idea....

[thin plover]

I need a bit of help in sk

[earnest drift]

what about the ones that come out of the ground

[light swan]

gurr is so cool

[lavish apex]

gurr kinda lame imo

[rocky lotus]

gurr is one of the biggest let downs

[light swan]

the fight itself is lame everything else isnt

[lavish apex]

the patch definitely improved him

[light swan]

i still 100% imagine curvesickle as hornets canonical offhand

[lavish apex]

ah yeah that's fair

[light swan]

gurrs design is peak

[lavish apex]

gurr is a contender for dumbest guy in the franchise

[earnest drift]

i am coping hard but what if the reason curvesickle exists is because in a dlc hornet will upgrade all her red tools to be around curvesickle level and this was done because team cherry knew red tools wouldn't be balanced the first time the game came out

so they'll learn from now and in the dlc they'll add chances to upgrade all red tools to be balanced around the same level as curvesickle

[lavish apex]

bro took down a grand reed and was like i should go for a literal pale being weaver hybrid that has been trained in combat from birth

[earnest drift]

and then we'll get new areas of enemies with more hp
and hornet will get another needle upgrade

[rotund canyon]

Hes gonna be like "Oh yeah it cant be that bad..."

[ancient mortar]

why would we balance all tools to the same level as the most busted one. instead of just nerfing curvsickle

[earnest drift]

i don't know, why does curvesickle even exist in the first place

[rotund canyon]

boomerang awesome

[earnest drift]

it's so fucking busted and curveclaw was already strong

i don't understand why curveclaw apparently NEEDED an upgrade

also the reason gurr hunts hornet in act 3 is because the world is ending, so he thought he might as well risk his life to hunt the greatest prey in the land

[rocky lotus]

because team cherry is a bad studio who makes bad games

[earnest drift]

straight pin becomes gay pin and is buffed to 27 dmg
longpin becomes longerpin and is buffed to 36 dmg
cogflies get nothing

plasmium and tacks also get nothing

flintslate gets nothing

[unkempt steeple]

Three fold pin becomes theee plus one fold pin

[spark anchor]

Flea brew needs a source that doesnt involve revisiting the caravan

What would it be

[earnest drift]

hornet kidnaps grishkin and drags them with her

[rocky lotus]

grishkin should teach hornet how to actually make flea brew

[unkempt steeple]

Hunt a flea

[spark anchor]

Ooh yeah i like that idea

Recipe for brew

[grand adder]

Yo yo yo

[rocky lotus]

it would be a reward for getting the fleas to pale lake or smth

[earnest drift]

how else do you get to greenpath

[lavish apex]

fourfold pin would be peak

[rocky lotus]

go to the remembered crossroads instead

[glacial kelp]

ascend the crystal peaks

[leaden mauve]

17fold pin

[solemn basalt]

Is there anyone playing the Hollow Knight SILK SONG Android version here?

[knotty vapor]

the temporary adrenaline buff when succesfully parrying must be nerfed tbh

[earnest drift]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lace-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-1ewNNmWfjF7S5U1rzk

[summer pasture]

are silksong memes allowed in hk memes?

[earnest drift]

no

[summer pasture]

aight, ty

i wanna post something funny as hell tho and i cant post 💔

[thin tendon]

a lot of people do that though

[finite swift]

10 hour flight to Pharloom where are you sitting

[earnest drift]

this plane is awful

[thin tendon]

I’d push nyleth over and sit next to seth

[thin tendon]

if nyleth wont move I’d go 2

[finite swift]

The greatest seat would be 2 because you'd be safe

[light swan]

2 or 4

probs 4

[leaden mauve]

sitting next to seth

[finite swift]

If you said 3 there owuld be a ant in yo buttcheek

[queen acorn]

why is it aged karmelita

[finite swift]

notice how everyone sdead

[queen acorn]

seth is like

[thin tendon]

Seth and hornet aren’t

[finite swift]

if your only seat is 1 would you sit there

[earnest drift]

that's better

[thin tendon]

absolutely not I’d book a new flight

do you mean the first or second image?

[queen acorn]

gimme the green prince duo

i dont mind being the thridwheel of a homosexual relationsuip

[finite swift]

first

[thin tendon]

then no

[finite swift]

Unless if your a woman, you'd just have to watch

[rocky lotus]

1

[finite swift]

beastfly is crashing the plane ✌️

[queen acorn]

theres levels to this

[rocky lotus]

ik i gotta stop him

[unkempt steeple]

3, two free mid flight snacks

[earnest drift]

out of radiance, grand mother silk, and lace, whose presence in the game did you enjoy the most

[rocky lotus]

the other ants would kill and eat you

[finite swift]

Grand Mother silk is driving the plane

[unkempt steeple]

More free snacks

[unkempt steeple]

Can I be the co pilot

[finite swift]

Lace is the co-pilot
go join Phantom in the luggage area

[rocky lotus]

groal and the stilkins are in the bathroom

[earnest drift]

please note there’s only one wrong answer

[unkempt steeple]

Phantom stinks tho

[neon geyser]

this plane is going down

[rocky lotus]

they are stinking up the whole plane

[unkempt steeple]

Yeah lace

[rocky lotus]

radiance

im not even baiting i genuinely like rad more than gms and lace

[finite swift]

Karmelitas ants would be all over the place and inbetween your cheeks

[earnest drift]

why

[finite swift]

Radiance overall is cool, loved her introduction more than Grandmother silk

[rocky lotus]

felt more like a grand sendoff to the kingdoms blight than gms or lace

[finite swift]

Grandmother silk was more on menacing, a giant ass silkball and I think "what the fuck im i fighting 😭 "

[earnest drift]

poo

all y’all care about is aura

[north ore]

If we reverse interpret the effects of lifeblood back to base hk

What if Ghost's void is why they can drink even more lifeblood without it overcoming their natural vitality

They're already designed to imprison a God, and the lifeblood itself is no more to the creature than the plague is to the Radiance

[finite swift]

I had a feeling lifeblood is worse than the infection of the radiance

[grand adder]

Yo. Why does that lil kid from RE:Requiem lowkey looks like Griffith

[rocky lotus]

we are not having another radiance argument

[north ore]

Still

Hornet becomes semi plasmified after just 9 blue masks

Ghost can take at least 15 with no side effects

[grand adder]

Do not talk with this guy ceo

[earnest drift]

yes but Joni’s blessing sucks

so hornet is better with lifeblood

[north ore]

I never mentioned Joni

Also the explicit effect of that charm is to plasmify its bearer

I'm talkin abt what you can get from Lifeblood Heart/Core and the cocoons, especially in P5

[grand adder]

Genuinely. Why do people in this server hates opinions unless its so ass it doesnt even count as an opinion?

[earnest drift]

oops

[finite swift]

We need more lifelbood content

[leaden mauve]

gms was a better boss but the radiance was way fuckin cooler

[rocky lotus]

lifeblood boss in dlc plssssss

[grand adder]

Its not a bait if its the truth

[earnest drift]

gms was a better character too

[north ore]

First game was abt the plague, with silk as a side character

2nd game was abt silk, with lifeblood as a side character

3rd game is lifeblood??

[leaden mauve]

gms is better overall but i like the radiance more because shes so cool and looks better imo

crazy how both the final bosses in the games were all women

[grand adder]

Idk how people finds her design to be better than radiance. Shes just a giant ball of silk with a black face

[leaden mauve]

even the 2 final bosses in silksong were women

[grand adder]

Alright alright enough

[north ore]

Idk I thought the scissor blades were pretty badass

[earnest drift]

the hollow knight isn’t a woman

[leaden mauve]

the hollow knight isnt the final boss

[grand adder]

Dont want you sounding like a misogynist

[rocky lotus]

thats really reductive dont you think

[leaden mauve]

how does that sound like misogyny

[grand adder]

Nah im joking

[leaden mauve]

"team cherry.. theyre trying to hypnotize us to like WOMEN"

[rocky lotus]

i could just reduce the radiance down to a fluffy blob on 2 needles

[north ore]

There's also just the concept that you're fighting the entirety of the silken affliction in that one room, and can actually see her boundless threads

But I'm also not comparing her to the Radiance, besides narrative purpose

[earnest drift]

I just like that grand mother silk’s fight feels more like you’re fighting her directly and personally

most of radiance’s attacks happened independent of her position, so it felt like you were dodging someone else’s attacks while chasing an unrelated hitbox

[grand adder]

But nothing crazy with two of the the game prequel and sequel final bosses being women

Design introduction and origin wise. Radiance dog walks gms

[earnest drift]

radiance’s bossfight is better though I agree

and she has more aura with fighting the sun and everything

[north ore]

Honestly I think it's cool

Shows women are just as capable of being evil pseudo omnipotent insects as men

[grand adder]

Gms motives werent as good as radiance motives lowkey

[lapis halo]

werent you FRYING the radiance js yesterday

[earnest drift]

that’s when I was comparing her to lace

[grand adder]

Alright alright lets not drag it

[lapis halo]

oh yeah

[earnest drift]

compared to grand mother silk, she has more aura and better gameplay

[north ore]

A true hater gives due credit

[lapis halo]

not dragging js saying

[earnest drift]

she’s nowhere near as good of a character as gms though

[grand adder]

It is dragging :/

[lapis halo]

as in lore

[lapis halo]

gms has more lore, the radiance was not fully fleshed out

[earnest drift]

yes
radiance’s main issues are that she doesn’t develop much as a character and she doesn’t have any strong, personal connection to other characters

[grand adder]

Im pretty sure radiance has more lore

Idk maybe just me

[lapis halo]

i actually agree ts time

[earnest drift]

as well as she killed a lot of people which was contradictory to her motive? if she wants to be remembered, why would she kill the people remembering her

[grand adder]

All i care is gms motives for doing allat was cuz her slaves rebelled and radiance's was her people her own species betrayed her

[lapis halo]

nah shes kind of not lorey if you know what i mean

[nimble brook]

hi guys

[earnest drift]

pale king and the hollow knight had a lot of lore, the radiance herself didn’t have too much

[plucky onyx]

https://giphy.com/gifs/adidas-hollow-knight-hornet-Bd8ZuJDjRR2AVxjZyp

[earnest drift]

I feel that when people talk about how good the radiance’s story is, they’re thinking of the pale king and everything he did about her
the radiance herself is not very deep

[lapis halo]

yeah, The Pure Vessel and The Pale King had the most lore in HK i think

[lapis halo]

Shes A Good boss, But sadly not enough lore

[harsh yarrow]

kinda makes sense for her

by the time we find her shes been long forgotten

[still osprey]

Do you think Radiance and GMS would get along?

[harsh yarrow]

I think Silksong does better with making Lace and GMS characters within their story

[lapis halo]

fuh no

[earnest drift]

i actually like villains who aren’t very complex and are evil for the sake of evil
but it’s because they’re entertaining when they’re on screen
like bill cipher and jack horner

[earnest drift]

no way

[lapis halo]

yeah

[earnest drift]

they would fight each other over who has a bigger ego

[lapis halo]

i do like complex villians tho

[harsh yarrow]

Whats the line from the Mask Maker? Higher Beings often cant let others be
That and both have a desire to be worshiped by bugs- which would almost immediately spark a war

[light swan]

give me tragic villains with a tragic backstory and a tragic front story and im happy

[earnest drift]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-lace-laugh-villain-laugh-evil-laugh-gif-15852753054655955151

actually gms is more tragic than lace

[north ore]

What if Sea of Sorrow is like

[Late ACT 2 / ACT 3]
||Just before dying,|| 12th Architect develops space travel

Hornet decides to try it since she needs a break from tryna beat Seth's score on flea dodge

She crash lands on planet 4546B

[still osprey]

Lace might honestly be my favorite written character by team cherry

[lapis halo]

and The Hollow Knight is Tragic asf

[unkempt steeple]

Lace doesn't have a tragic backstory she's just spoiled

[strange knot]

Peak

[lapis halo]

she kinda does vro

[earnest drift]

I especially like that grand mother silk brings up a unique hypothetical

if you were put in a situation worse than death, how many people would you be willing to kill to save yourself?

[north ore]

Do NOT let BadTie and Cluster meet

[light swan]

pale king should have lost everyitng but he didn’t because thk half worked

[unkempt steeple]

She lied so we'd feel bad for her

[still osprey]

That is ok

Lying is based imo

[north ore]

Metallica reference

[light swan]

he should’ve watched his only child get killed in front of him as he realizes all 16000 children and his entire kingdom, his life’s work, crumbles before him

[unkempt steeple]

Must be a stilkin

[earnest drift]

lace’s backstory is pretty tragic, but it’s funny to think of her feeling sorry for herself and complaining about her life when she’s killed hundreds of innocent pilgrims

[strange knot]

Your name is eiTdaB

[lapis halo]

ONLY child

[north ore]

SO Metallica reference

[light swan]

oops MBBBB

[still osprey]

See, this is awesome, because it's a lie, and lying is awesome

[earnest drift]

“ohh, woe is me, my life sucks” she says as she ruins the lives of a pilgrim’s spouse and children

[light swan]

wait where do we see lace murder kids again

[north ore]

Let it be none other than Johnathan Joestar who corrects someone misgendering a Vessel 🌹

[lapis halo]

she says as she kills a villiage of innocent pilgrimms

[earnest drift]

on second thought I don’t think she killed any children, pilgrims are adults

[lapis halo]

jjba best mc

[still osprey]

Who do you think mind controlled skull tyrant to kill pilby...

[earnest drift]

but I don’t think it’d be out of character for lace to kill kids

[earnest drift]

is pilby a child

[still osprey]

I, don't actually know

[unkempt steeple]

Me

[still osprey]

Don't think their age is ever stated

[lapis halo]

Pilby WAS goated

before he died

[strange knot]

Pilby wasn’t

[unkempt steeple]

Seems adult sized for their speciss

Everyother winged pilgrim is that sized

[lapis halo]

what WAS @unkempt steeple typing up

[unkempt steeple]

?

[lapis halo]

You were typing for like 35 seconds

[unkempt steeple]

I was looking up what pilby's enemy type is called

[bright rapids]

When's the indie direct that might have sea of sorrow?

Tomorrow?

[still osprey]

Wasn't it yesterday

[unkempt steeple]

It was yesterday

There was no sea of sorrow

[bright rapids]

Awww

[unkempt steeple]

Or anything interesting for that matter

[still osprey]

They announced the city of steel dlc tho

[earnest drift]

what

silkpost

[lapis halo]

what is your universe vro

[bright rapids]

We got the 2nd dlc announced before the 1st one is out? I doubt

And also I dont think they're gonna put that much content behind steel soul

[still osprey]

It's called lying on the internet you should try it someday

[lapis halo]

Earth 23072938

[bright rapids]

There's an earth in which silksong didn't come out untill 2040

[lapis halo]

there a earth were tc doesnt exist

[still osprey]

I still believe in April-June SOS release

[bright rapids]

I refuse to believe that

[lapis halo]

prob june-august

[unkempt steeple]

Rogue lite city of steel dlc that's not steel soul exclusive

[lapis halo]

is ts mobile

[north ore]

I just realised why Karmelita is the best old heart

[finite swift]

MY LAPTOPS INFECTED HOW DO I CURE THIS SHIT

[north ore]

all the others hide behind something

Nyleth behind Seth, Khann behind his gauntlets, and the Prince behind an entire map with its own gimmick

[finite swift]

WHY IS IT ORANGE
RADIANCE WHAT THE FUCK

[timid plinth]

silksong time

[north ore]

Karmelita has a MINIMAL "gauntlet" right at the start, and she's the only one who actively welcomes Hornet's challenge

[north ore]

better question

what does your laptop dream of

[lost zinc]

how to beat widow

[finite swift]

.... to be free ?? ? ??

[timid plinth]

you hit her enough times

then she dies

[north ore]

be patient, learn attacks and punish

just like any boss

[north ore]

if you want more specific advice, youll have to be specific as to how youre struggling

is there a particular attack(s)?

[woven rover]

BROOO I DIED TO WIDOW AGAIN

BRUUUH I KEEP LOSING STEELSOUL RUNS TO WIDOW

ts the 4th time 😭

[timid plinth]

did you know you can skip widow

[woven rover]

u can?

[hazy rose]

@timid plinth
What would you do if you heard a massive bang and you look out your window, and you see 3 black men trying to climb up to your window. Shouting where is lisa simpson

[timid plinth]

no

[woven rover]

i mean

u can get to act 2

[timid plinth]

erm

wtf

maybe ill call the cops

because they broke into my house

[woven rover]

i would drop a brick on them and go on with my day

[hazy rose]

@woven rover
But they are all packing serious heat

[woven rover]

two bricks

[glacial kelp]

this is gas as someone that lives on the 30th floor

[still osprey]

Nah, Widow is required to get into Act 2. You need Needolin for The Mist otherwise you will loop forever

[timid plinth]

what could have lisa simpson possibly done to these men

[woven rover]

isnt there a third way to do it

[fossil socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427314356063965355/1474447393943458035/togif.gif

[still osprey]

No it's either Last Judge or Phantom

[fossil socket]

they made fun of smiling friends or smth idk

[glacial kelp]

wisp thicket requires needolin now because of fayforn i believe

that or because of like weavenest karn

[still osprey]

Wisp Thicket has an invisible ceiling blocking entrance that disappears only once you get Wings, which you need to be in Act 2 to get

[glacial kelp]

do people still not know about act 1 wings

[timid plinth]

if you are determined enough to get wings in act 1, you can!

[glacial kelp]

i thought this would be common knowledge by now

[earnest drift]

if pollip pouch stacked, how good would it be

[glacial kelp]

probably the strongest tool in the game

[woven rover]

oh

[earnest drift]

is +3 dps really that good

[woven rover]

u can go to act 2 using sinners road right?

[still osprey]

That's The Mist route

[timid plinth]

yeah, thats the phantom route

[mental acorn]

get the extra mask before fighting her. pogo her on all attacks except when she's idle or in the air. if you miss the hit when shes doing the floor sweep you still parry at least. focus on dodging, whjen the floor become covered in bells pogo off of them. you can also get wanderers crest before reaching her.

[glacial kelp]

its like a 50% damage boost to tacks idk

[earnest drift]

yes but it takes time for the dmg to go through

[glacial kelp]

why does the time matter

[mental acorn]

yeah but the mist is pretty tricky.

[glacial kelp]

unless youre fighting a teleporter

[woven rover]

first stage is light i just keep accidentally making mistakes in the 2nd stage

[earnest drift]

because if it takes too long for the dmg to happen then the boss might kill you before it dies

[timid plinth]

skill issue

[glacial kelp]

you can literally say this about anything that deals damage …

[quick oak]

Agree

Btw what is the topic

[earnest drift]

most things that deal extra dmg are instant

[glacial kelp]

is raw value is a flat damage increase on every tool attack

[old raft]

if i go to all 3 steel soul marked place
does it insta give me summoned savior or is that 2nd stage

[mental acorn]

just focus on her and where she is after you're done with dodging the bells. if its diagonal bells just stand in the gap between them like any other bells.

[glacial kelp]

no but it takes time to deal any damage regardless of source

[earnest drift]

volt filament’s extra dmg is stacked directly onto silk skills

[glacial kelp]

if i am doing nail only its a lot more effort dealing that damage

[earnest drift]

volt filament doesn’t take more time to deal its dmg

[glacial kelp]

than literally afking

[timid plinth]

just use pale nails when you fight widow

[mental acorn]

i lost 1 steel soul run and it was in shellwood. I was on 3 masks, then fell into thorns, got shot at and the bullet knocked me into the thorns again.

[glacial kelp]

i am not referring to the relative damage difference

just the raw value itself

[earnest drift]

I don’t understand

[woven rover]

shellwood is so depressing

[glacial kelp]

also pollip does 6 damage total

so its more like double tack damage

[earnest drift]

yes

but over 2 seconds

[woven rover]

idk why i can easily handle most of the bosses but just cant do widow consistently

[earnest drift]

so pollip pouch having a max of +3 dps isn’t too good

[mental acorn]

nah bro you gotta use shaman crest with flealia and volt filament. pale nails, rune rage, and sharpdart.

[earnest drift]

even if it stacked

[glacial kelp]

are you talking about the context of like speedkills

[earnest drift]

no, in any context

[glacial kelp]

???

its +3 dps only if it doesnt stack

[earnest drift]

if you’re playing passively and hitting the boss from afar with red tools then waiting it out, pollip pouch would be very useful if it stacked

[glacial kelp]

if it stacks then the +3 can stack thats the whole point

[earnest drift]

I was thinking that subsequent applications of the poison would extend the poison duration, not start a new one

[glacial kelp]

ohhhh

[earnest drift]

but starting a new one is a better idea

[glacial kelp]

i thought you meant like every damage tick is a seperate poison app

yeah nah thats still ass lmao

[earnest drift]

and yeah that makes pollip pouch sound a lot better

[ancient mortar]

@orchid locust btw I just remembered in our convo about best video game scenery I completely forgot the #1 best ever and that's shadow of the collossus.

[orchid locust]

oh i’ve seen that one

haven’t played it but it looks beautiful

[ancient mortar]

It's one of the best in it's beautiful scenery and just how fascinating it's world is.

Plus the remake has more content to encourage exploring

[lapis halo]

one of the best games oat

[earnest drift]

if pollip pouch dealt 99 dmg over 33 seconds would it still be ass

[lapis halo]

Pollip Pouch is a MUST have vro

[ancient mortar]

[earnest drift]

it would wouldn’t it

[ancient mortar]

It's unironically one of the most useless blues.

[lapis halo]

how

[earnest drift]

no matter how long you extend the duration, it’s bad with that dps

would be good for exploration though

[lapis halo]

My polip pouch ong 10 shot trobbio

[ancient mortar]

It adds next to no damage and the poison doesn't stack so if you don't wait out the full duration of the poison before using another tool you won't even get the damage.

[lapis halo]

unless its a glitch

[ancient mortar]

People think it's good because red tools are busted but pollip doesn't change the damage much at all and nerfs some of the best tools

[earnest drift]

me when another hk YouTuber puts pollip pouch in the top 5 blue tools and puts snitch pick at the bottom

[lapis halo]

really, whats the best

[vivid raptor]

Why would they do this

[ancient mortar]

The best what? Red tool?

[earnest drift]

placebo effect of poison + they don’t know how to use clawline in combat

[ancient mortar]

Probably curve claw/sickle

[lapis halo]

blue

[lapis halo]

use ts alot

[lapis halo]

ts is the best

[spare isle]

Groal the Great

[vivid raptor]

Groal the Easy

[ancient mortar]

Overall probably volt filament and sawtooth circlet, huge damage boosts. But if talking about for red tool spam I'd put quick sling in place of pollip any day.

[lapis halo]

thx bro,

[ancient mortar]

For survivability the best is injector probably and fractured mask too.

[vivid raptor]

Volt Bombs + Quick Sling + spam = chaos

[ancient mortar]

Multibinder and claw mirrors are the best tools on witch.

[lapis halo]

fractured mask is gotta be one of the best

unless im deadass super wrong

[ancient mortar]

Injector is a good bit better but fractured hard carries the early game and is still great endgame.

Injector+fractured mask is the combo I always recommend to new players.

[lapis halo]

STOP THE SCEAMS VRP

[vivid raptor]

[lapis halo]

i had ts, before sum dumbass youtuber said use Pollip Pouch

[still osprey]

I don't think I'll ever be taking off Injector Band I'm gonna be fr

Like, it's too good

[lapis halo]

Stole It vro

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[vivid raptor]

What does Injector Band do besides faster healing

[vivid raptor]

Good, more screams

[still osprey]

It's just faster healing that's why it's so good

[ancient mortar]

I think injector+mask is way more versatile than injector plus multibinder, as multibinder cancels out the best part of injector which is giving your more openings to heal where you couldn't otherwise while reducing downtime in combat. Injector+multibinder loses that speed and spends 2 slots on just 1 extra mask per heal. Not worth the two slots imo unless in bilewater.

[vivid raptor]

But how many seconds

[ancient mortar]

Also mask doesn't require any input to get value out of, it can save you in the most unlucky possible situations

[still osprey]

Speeds it up by 40% so almost double as fast

[ancient mortar]

I'm the number one injector+multibinder hater.

[lapis halo]

Why bro

[ancient mortar]

Read my big message above

Explains why I think it's not a good combo

[lapis halo]

oh

[vivid raptor]

Oh

[lapis halo]

i cant read for SHIT

[vivid raptor]

Meh

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[ancient mortar]

Injector is goated because it lets you heal in places you otherwise couldn't, multibinder cancels that out. A 2 slot investment for one extra mask on bind just isn't worth it.

[vivid raptor]

Yes, Dad?

[lapis halo]

https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

[lapis halo]

stole ts too

[ancient mortar]

Multibinder is great but it's only the best option for witch and when in bilewater.

[still osprey]

Top 5 blue tools are like, Injector Band, Sawtooth Circlet, Volt Filament, Snitch Pick, and Fractured Mask, but you didn't hear that from me 🤫

[ancient mortar]

Facts.

[vivid raptor]

Why is Volt Filament so OP and Pollip Pouch so weak

[ancient mortar]

Warding bell is the most fun blue tool because warding bell parries are funny for challenge runs.

[earnest drift]

SNITCH PICK

[viscid peak]

Meanwhile on my casual I used multibinder without injector band for the majority of it. No issues

[vivid raptor]

Replace Mask with Snitch Pick

[still osprey]

Snitch Pick is already on the list too,

[earnest drift]

pollip pouch doesn’t stack, only works well with some red tools and doesn’t increase dps (often it decreases dps)

volt filament should really have a downside like barbed bracelet

[still osprey]

Pollip Pouch works well with tools that space out their damage, like Cogflies

[ancient mortar]

Multibinder on its own is good, I'm just saying that combo defeats the purpose of injector. Multibinder is perfect when you can find openings to heal safely as it helps save silk.

[still osprey]

If you put out 1 cogfly at a time I think pollip pouch is just a straight dps up

[earnest drift]

unless you have more than one out at once

[ancient mortar]

I reccomend using injector or multibinder never both

[vivid raptor]

Buff Pollip Pouch, Balance Volt Filament

[earnest drift]

what if it was called pollip punch and it added purple fist to the end of your red tools

[vivid raptor]

Sick

[ancient mortar]

I could only be okay with a pollip buff if red tools are rebalanced as they don't need any power increases rn. They are so busted.

[still osprey]

Pollip Pouch is actually the best blue tool because it makes my tools purple and purple is the best color

[viscid peak]

This is a good take

[still osprey]

I only have good takes

[ancient mortar]

"Mmm grape flavored cogfly..." -Barnak.

[vivid raptor]

Pollip Pouch would be one of the best yellow tools, 2nd or 3rd

[knotty vapor]

remember, TC could've done worse, they could have made it so if you got cursed, you will entangle the Bell Beast, making any sort of fast travel in the world useless

[lapis halo]

if Pollip Pouch Was Yellow Everone Would Use It

[vivid raptor]

Take this one too

[ancient mortar]

What if pollip pouch was hard reworked and effected something that wasn't tools, what would it do instead?

[still osprey]

It's like Dice, the only reason it's a good tool is because it's a yellow tool

[ancient mortar]

Poison needle?

[vivid raptor]

Adds poison to your needle

[viscid peak]

Counterpoint: it makes flintlate terrible so no

[still osprey]

If Dice was a blue tool no one would be using it

[ancient mortar]

Fractured mask is goated as it can eat 4-6 mask of damage with barbed bracelet builds

[still osprey]

Fractured Mask alone can tank the 1+1+1 damage from GMS and LL iirc

[knotty vapor]

magnetite dice rolls like the Fear and Hunger coin everytime you got hit

[earnest drift]

why is a fractured mask stronger than an unfractured mask

[keen solstice]

It would still be garbage as a yellow tool, it just doesn't have as much competition as it has in blues
Weighted belt dice and anklets are still far more valuable

[ancient mortar]

It can eat those moves with barbed too, 6 damage block for 1 charm is great

Makes barbed way more accessible as it gives you an extra hit.

[harsh yarrow]

I'd just have the posion stack

[earnest drift]

will fractured mask tank a radiant hit

[still osprey]

It actually used to in the Pantheon of Pharloom mod but it got patched iirc 🔥

[earnest drift]

radiant boss vs cross stitch, fractured mask and magnetite dice

[ancient mortar]

Okay guys hear me out on a pollip rework, it poisons your needle instead, the poison stacks, but the poison is triggered by only one move, what move should it be?

[earnest drift]

downslash

[vivid raptor]

Barbed Braclet for radiant bosses

[still osprey]

Pogo, yea

[vivid raptor]

Its like Unbreakable Strength on radiant

[ancient mortar]

That or dash attack, maybe both?

[viscid peak]

Sprint attack

[earnest drift]

radiant bosses vs hunter crest with barbed bracelet, magnetite dice, fractured mask and cross stitch

[earnest drift]

yeah that sounds good

what about clawline

[ancient mortar]

I think that would be fairer, dashes are harder to pull off

[viscid peak]

Yeah

[ancient mortar]

Redundant with snitch pick

[viscid peak]

Putting it on pogo makes it way too easy

[earnest drift]

but i love clawline and i want it to be as strong as possible

[ancient mortar]

It might enable some tech too, I could see witch dash attack chainers loving that.

[earnest drift]

+5 dmg with snitch pick and +6 delayed dmg with pollip pouch

[ancient mortar]

Honestly pogo and dash attack would be too much I think just dash attack would be more balanced, or dash attack and clawline.

Assuming poison stacks

If it doesn't it can be pogo too

[still osprey]

Dash attack alone is probably good enough, there's nothing in the game yet that synergizes with it specifically

[vivid raptor]

Why are we trying to make Dash Slash

[ancient mortar]

Because dash slash is goated next question

[earnest drift]

but what if i'm playing shaman

[ancient mortar]

Should the poison stack and do the same damage it usually does, or not stack and do more damage.

[harsh yarrow]

Bonus to damange with Silkspeed anklets/Flea Brew

two easy synergies

;3

[still osprey]

I think letting it stack is fine if it's only on dash attacks because getting 2 dash attacks in quick succession is tricky

[ancient mortar]

Momentum based damage buffs would be sick actually.

[vivid raptor]

Why become the speedy Weaver Cindril

[ancient mortar]

But with silkspeed might be too strong for a yellow if it gave much

[ancient mortar]

Unless you main witch

[still osprey]

mmm good point yea see I'm a hunter main so I kind of forget other crests exist 🔥

[viscid peak]

Witch has by far the best sprint attack

[ancient mortar]

Honestly tho it would be kinda neat if it was dash attack and clawline as then it would buff the fun as hell dash attack into clawline combo I like to do on shorter enemies that the hunter dash attack combo doesn't work on.

But that would also boost witch lmao

But a slight witch buff isn't the worst thing to happen it's not the most op crest in the game.

Oh God the chat is burning down

Someone call the fire department

[vivid raptor]

What if the ductstress wasn't dead? Would she give something similar to Isma's Tear?

[ancient mortar]

🚒 👨‍🚒 🧑‍🚒

[viscid peak]

I don't see why the reward for visiting would be any different

Getting permanent immunity to the maggots is too much

[ancient mortar]

If she was alive maybe we'd get multiple nail arts on one crest like the first game...

[still osprey]

I'm really excited to see what new tools SOS brings to the game

[ancient mortar]

I want a pinstress crest with 3 needle strikes so bad

[viscid peak]

That would be really fun

[vivid raptor]

We might get a crest with the Pinstress's charged attack

[wicked cedar]

She would give you 1 rosary

[vivid raptor]

Sweet money

[vivid raptor]

Oh my god yes please

[viscid peak]

Getting a dash needle strike would go crazy

[ancient mortar]

I want the pinstress crest to have that as one but then 2 others so we have one for middle up and dash heavy like the first game.

[vivid raptor]

Give me a dash slash, give me a cyclone slash, give me a great slash

[viscid peak]

Witch is cyclone already

[vivid raptor]

You can't fly with it

[wicked cedar]

You can fly with cyclone slash????

[ancient mortar]

Pinstress crest should get the old sly great slash hitbox

[vivid raptor]

Mato can

[wicked cedar]

Well yeah

And sly

[vivid raptor]

Patamas geo

[ancient mortar]

Pinstress crest would be so peak, I want to see hornet be able to steal the moves from her fight

[icy crow]

Cornifer funk

[vivid raptor]

If Sly was in Silksong, would he say "Patamas Rosary"?

[rocky lotus]

Wanna hear my crackpot godhome pinstress refight idea

[viscid peak]

I don't know how practical it would be in action but the x attack not existing on any crest is such a missed opportunity

[ancient mortar]

If you'll hear out my cogwork dancers one

[rocky lotus]

Sure

[ancient mortar]

Mines pretty simple, it's like sisters of battle, cogwork dancers but then green prince joins in alone. Last phase could have the ghost show up too.

[rocky lotus]

Pinstress rides in on fayforn like nameless king in ds3 in phase 1 and in phase 2 its a duo fight

[ancient mortar]

Could be pretty peak

I hope we get a solo seamstress fight maybe

[vivid raptor]

I just realised Second Sentinel has the X attack because the Order of the Pinstresses taught the Citadel their moves or something

[wicked cedar]

She can blow up like a big balloon

[viscid peak]

Yeah

• Lace sharing some of the same moveset as them

[ancient mortar]

That's just drifters cloak we already got that

[wicked cedar]

I guess

[vivid raptor]

What if the other sentinels had different charge attacks as they got moves from other pinstresses

[ancient mortar]

Most citadel bugs seem to follow a similar fencing style with similar parries etc. I imagine it's probably built upon pinstress teachings.

[rocky lotus]

So phase 2 is just gp?

[ancient mortar]

Alone as in he joins the cogworks without his ghost at first

[rocky lotus]

Oh ok

[ancient mortar]

Then the ghost comes in after one cogwork dies

[rocky lotus]

Id imagine he still keeps the clover dancers speed while the cogwork dancers are also the same

[ancient mortar]

And then a second ghost, maybe 2 half ghosts since it's one soul.

[viscid peak]

All I really want from godhome fights is for Pinstess to stop floating above and throwing the little pin sets constantly and actually get up close with some engaging needle strike combat

[ancient mortar]

Busting out of the cogworks on desth

[strange knot]

We need second sentinel upgrade in pantheons

[vivid raptor]

What if the second green prince didn't give up his soul to make the cogwork dancers

[rocky lotus]

Second sentinel is good enough as is imo

[ancient mortar]

Seamstress seems to use a longpin so hopefully she doesn't throw any weapons if we get her fight

[strange knot]

They need to be harder

[ancient mortar]

At least I recall the pin in choruses neck to be long as phantoms

So it seems like a 2 hander

[vivid raptor]

They're a quest boss

[ancient mortar]

All five sentinels at once

[vivid raptor]

But i guess

[rocky lotus]

My pinstress concept would keep the throwing pins but her and fayforn would share hp

[strange knot]

Holy truth

[vivid raptor]

It was easy

[rotund canyon]

thats too much lol

[ancient mortar]

First and second sentinel would be brutal even, unless one has a much reduced moveset

[subtle lynx]

Dude the AOE of the wisps is insane

I always underestimate it

[neat python]

Nah its not sory

[viscid peak]

Her moveset was the hugest letdown imaginable. She wanted a death duel and supposedly has incredible skills and yet she spends the entire time floating away from you and throwing projectiles like a coward

[subtle lynx]

It is, I don't forgive you

[vivid raptor]

Ikr, she needs a rework

[still osprey]

Why do Second Sentinel's beams only deal 1 mask of damage

[vivid raptor]

Insane for a late act 2 boss

LATE

[ancient mortar]

Some of her moves are baller but I agree she is a bit too squatcraw coded to be a great fight.

None of these words were in the bible

[subtle lynx]

Why wouldn't they

They don't look like they should deal 2

[icy crow]

Not really late considering you don't have to explore all of the act two areas for it

[viscid peak]

The x and the ground dash are great and what I would expect from her

[vivid raptor]

Late Mid

[subtle lynx]

Tou have to explore all of the citadel

[icy crow]

Yeah middle act two fits it more

[subtle lynx]

So yeah, it is very late act 2

[ancient mortar]

I like that she uses drifters cloak too. Just triple pins are excessive

[still osprey]

Second Sentinel requires you to at least visit Memorium

[icy crow]

You find the Cogheart Pieces in only three areas

[viscid peak]

It's cute thematically but it happens way too frequently

[subtle lynx]

And where do you fight the boss exactly???

[ancient mortar]

She should mix triple pins into melee combos and they shouldn't be that frequent.

[rocky lotus]

Why?

[ancient mortar]

Cogheart

[viscid peak]

One of the cogheart pieces is there

[rocky lotus]

Oh yeah

[icy crow]

You fight them in High Halls but you can do the quest prior to even entering that place

[still osprey]

Wrong

[rocky lotus]

Memorium was one of the most forgettable areas

Its not bad just kinda there

[still osprey]

Second Sentinel requires you to have Conductor's Melody to fight

[subtle lynx]

It was memorable for me

[icy crow]

It does? Wasn't aware of that

[still osprey]

• Cogheart Piece in Choral Chambers
• Cogheart Piece in Whispering Vaults
• Cogheart Piece in Memorium
• Second Sentinel in Cogwork Core
• Conductor Melody from High Halls required

[subtle lynx]

You also have to find him fighting twice

[icy crow]

Getting to fight him doesn't require Bilewater or Putrified Ducts though so I would still not call it a late act two boss

It's just really one lengthy side-quest

[subtle lynx]

I would since you need to basically beat act 2 to fight her

But anyways

[icy crow]

No?

[bronze oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/mod-modcheck-check-gif-22960989

[subtle lynx]

Yes?

[icy crow]

You can fight Second Sentinel prior to Lace #2 and Grandmother Silk lmao

[rocky lotus]

Hello i am a mod

[bronze oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-im-out-im-gone-disappear-gif-14773411

[subtle lynx]

Hence the word "basically"

[viscid peak]

Prior to either of the other two melodies as well

[subtle lynx]

No...

[still osprey]

I mean, you can fight every Act 1 and 2 boss before Lace 2 and gms

[viscid peak]

You literally only need the one melody and wings or doing some skips to get up into Memorium

[subtle lynx]

As someone said above, you need the 3 melodies

[viscid peak]

It can be done really early on

[still osprey]

You just need Conductor's to fight them actually

[viscid peak]

Only Conductor's Melody, not Threefold Melody

[subtle lynx]

Oh mb then

You still need to go through each area still

So might as well

[icy crow]

Now let's talk about the conditions to fight the superboss Awakened Sherma

[still osprey]

Except Grand Gate and Whiteward that's the only non-requires citadel areas to fight second sentinel

Unless I'm forgetting any

[rocky lotus]

Awakened sherma is nothing compared to lost jim

[icy crow]

Such lies

[viscid peak]

Simply visiting areas does not constitute how late into the act you are. You can visit every part of the citadel and still be early-mid act 2

[icy crow]

Awakened Sherma deals four masks of damage in all his attacks. How is he nothing compared to your average voided boss?

[rocky lotus]

You must be thinking of lost lugoli

Im talking about lost jim its a different guy

He has 4 paragraphs on the wiki explaining the fight mechanics

[icy crow]

Actually the hardest boss in the game is Radiant Mossgrub

[earnest drift]

hornet's healing is op, bosses really aren't hard until they start dealing 6 dmg

especially after soul dash

[icy crow]

Would've been neglected if Multibinder actually went to its word and healed six masks instead of just four

[viscid peak]

Well it's not called doublebinder

[rocky lotus]

I agree we should have 6 mask squat craws and driznits

And groal should do 10 masks

[earnest drift]

groal > soul master

[icy crow]

At this point just play on Glass Soul

[rocky lotus]

In terms of difficukty or fight quality

[earnest drift]

both

[rocky lotus]

This is an insane take ngl

[earnest drift]

sorry but summoning minions for one attack and then despawning them is peak

and groal just has so much aura

[rocky lotus]

Groal is kinda a meh boss hes not very fast or engaging

[earnest drift]

wrecking ball looks badass and kills their own minions
vengeful spirit return is awesome

both soul master and groal have great voice acting

[strange knot]

I like the way groal uses vs. That was surprising af ngl

[subtle lynx]

And you can avoid 3 of his attacks by staying in the water

[weak depot]

my poor little corny

[rocky lotus]

If groal didnt have the runback or the gauntlet he would be easy

[subtle lynx]

He's still easy, that just makes him tedious

[strange knot]

I’m so happy I don’t need to fight groal anymore ever

[earnest drift]

i find that groal encourages needle strike

[weak depot]

man i forgot how small of a map he gives of deepnest because hes fucking terrified

[subtle lynx]

Wrong chat???

[earnest drift]

when they dive it gives you time to charge it and it's satisfying to land it once they come back up

[rocky lotus]

The runback does make it harder tho because you have to avoid the little shits on the way there and the gauntlet is one of the hardest pre boss gauntlets in the gsme

[subtle lynx]

I only use them when he first enters

To try to hit him when he arises

[subtle lynx]

I don't think so, I never got into the boss fight without full hp or the gaunlet

[arctic epoch]

are we talking about Broal the terrible?

[earnest drift]

i like groal's bossfight

[subtle lynx]

Before the gaunlet there's plenty of silk flowers

[weak depot]

[subtle lynx]

2 in the room before the gaunlet and 4 in it

• your coccoon

[still osprey]

Which area is bigger Choral Chambers or Deepnest

[subtle lynx]

Deepnest I think

[rotund canyon]

Yeah I think its deepnest, really close tho

[viscid peak]

The gauntlet becomes a cakewalk with needle strike and/or silk skills

[subtle lynx]

It's the only time I remember those exist

[wary storm]

i wish shakra took us to hunt or do sum shit to bond friendship more

[weak depot]

I mean we have the final rite of her master together

[wary storm]

yeah thats like climax of our friendship

[weak depot]

Deepnest

[subtle lynx]

That would not fit this game

[wary storm]

why so

[subtle lynx]

Hornet is constantly telling everyone that she has not time to do anything and would only do random shit if it helped her in her journey in some way

[viscid peak]

Both characters are too focused on their own pressing tasks to take time off for something like that

[subtle lynx]

I don't think fishing or hunting would serve that

[subtle lynx]

And yeah, Shakra too

[hushed charm]

heloo

[strange knot]

And she plays flea minigames

[wary storm]

yeah that's a tight constraint

[subtle lynx]

Besides, it feels way too triple AAA coded

[wary storm]

they could hunt to master their skills tho

[subtle lynx]

That's a silly exception, it's not relevant to story of hornet or the fleas and I don't remember exactly but I bet she says some shit like "this will help me improve my skills"

[viscid peak]

It was basically that yeah

[wary storm]

lets say for pale oil, and last upgrade will require 2 pale oils

or maybe add more pale oils in game

so you wont miss 2 and lose like 50% dps in act 3

[viscid peak]

There's no point in adding excess that won't be used just so players have less of a chance of missing them

[wary storm]

and what AAA coded means? shouldn't we get rid of most quests because it's AAA coded?

[viscid peak]

What do quests have to do with AAA

[subtle lynx]

I think what feels rushed is lace's and hornet's relationship, specially when you beat her for the second and hornet is telling her that she's alive regardless of being made of silk and lace shuts her off saying that hornet is saying verbiage and it's not like hornet to do so

[wary storm]

yeah smell this thing and walk this path hornet drew on your screen to get to the boss/npc/reward

[subtle lynx]

Like bitch, this is the second time we talk

You don't know me

[earnest drift]

eh i thought it was in character

[wary storm]

that was okay

[earnest drift]

hornet never hated lace

[subtle lynx]

Yes, some of them feel dumb

[subtle lynx]

No, that's not my point

[viscid peak]

Hornet is a hunter. She's tracking people the way a hunter would. It fits right into the lore

[earnest drift]

hornet was stoic and pretending to be cold and uncaring for most of the game but yeah maybe lace didn't see her enough to pick that up

[subtle lynx]

My point is that lace mentions that she didn't expect verbiage from hornet as if she talked to her for more than 1 minute

[earnest drift]

but she did say she was watching hornet on her way up to the citadel

[subtle lynx]

Maybe

[wary storm]

i mean most of the plot feels like it needed one more act wtih more story-rich side quests

[earnest drift]

more lace screentime is always good though i agree

[subtle lynx]

I think the sinner road and blasted steps encounters should always happen

Regardless of what you did

Maybe with different dialogue

[earnest drift]

what would she say

[subtle lynx]

Idk tease hornet a bit and maybe drop some hints of her creation/character

[earnest drift]

also caretaker's dialogue about lace is required to be seen before going to act 3, right

[subtle lynx]

Yeah but not her second fight

Which is my main issue

[wary storm]

hello im lace
hello fuck you lace
hello im lace im in citadel you'd get slimed by the god on top of citadel
hello fuck you lace and fuck your god, gods can die
hello im lace 2
hello you're alive character and not a hollow knight
hello you're right
hello GMS snared silk, die
hello im lace and i'm saving you because i hate my mom
hello im hornet and im in void and i'm gonna help you
hehe stupid hornet
hello im hornet and i'm saving you
hohooooooooooo
true ending
credits

[earnest drift]

do you think lace treated previous weaver descendants like how she treated hornet

[subtle lynx]

Also, lace suddenly has a breakdown in that moment and we are supposed to feel bad for her

[earnest drift]

i felt bad for her

i thought she actually died and i was sad

[subtle lynx]

It was the second time talking to her and her fight pissed the shit out of me so I could not care less

[earnest drift]

she's not that hard c'mon

[subtle lynx]

In fact, I wish she died, so I didn't have to fight her a third time

[strange knot]

Hello I’m hornet and I’m void*

[subtle lynx]

She was for me

Took me an hour the first time

[knotty vapor]

Bell Eater is quite bad.

[viscid peak]

That dialogue felt so awkward to me

[subtle lynx]

But that's besides the point

[strange knot]

Bell eater suckass

[subtle lynx]

My main issue is that it feels rushed

[bronze oasis]

I wanted to tell a joke but I realized it is dark humor so I cannot say it

[wary storm]

basically its all interactions with lace, it definitely needs more stuff in the middle between lace 1 and lace 2, maybe more after lace 2 and lace saving hornet in snared silk ending, maybe some native quest where we must find lace in the citadel

[subtle lynx]

Nah, I think we need STH between lace 1 and lace 2 for shaw

[strange knot]

wtf Is STH

[earnest drift]

i agree that lace having more screentime would be good for the story but as it is i don't think it's an issue, and lace makes good use of her screentime

[wary storm]

AS SNAIL SHAMAN SAID IN A SONGCLAVE:
hello im a snail shaman and there's something slaughtering and giggling like a child in citadel

[subtle lynx]

Something abbreviated

[earnest drift]

silk to hold

[subtle lynx]

It's in caps cause cellphone does it

[wary storm]

i fucking ran whole citadel over 3 times to find lace 3

[strange knot]

Very informative

[subtle lynx]

No, it's literally something

[viscid peak]

It went from 0 to 100 we were not warmed up to Lace's more emotional and honest self at all before then aside from one very missable needolin memory

[strange knot]

Oh😭

[subtle lynx]

Yes

[earnest drift]

it didn't feel dissimilar to how hk did writing imo

[knotty vapor]

yeah, the boss can just randomly do a spray attack once you're in a corner, if not that, then those butt bombs can hit you

unavoidable damage

[earnest drift]

the hollow knight doesn't have much screentime but everyone sympathises with them anyway

[viscid peak]

You can hit the bombs away

[subtle lynx]

Idk, between hornet 1 and 2 we see her in the citadel

[bronze oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/niles-reappearing-niles-nileseyy-niles-reappearing-hey-girl-gif-16841074

[subtle lynx]

And some other time's stalking us

[bronze oasis]

I think mods are offline

[earnest drift]

the stabbing themself during the bossfight and radiance's scream replacing their silent scream of agony helped ofc

but otherwise a lot of stuff about thk and why they're suffering needs to be inferred

[subtle lynx]

Because we know everything about him

[earnest drift]

it's the same here

[rocky lotus]

Hello i am a mod

[subtle lynx]

And you understand immediately what's going on

[bronze oasis]

liar

[strange knot]

Why isn’t ur name orange

[earnest drift]

do you though

[rocky lotus]

I would never lie

[earnest drift]

where do we get our info of thk from

i know lemm has some dialogue that can be missed

and the abyss cutscene

[subtle lynx]

With lace, she's suddenly self depricating after fighting us while laughing

[rocky lotus]

Because i dont want to show support for the orange party

[bronze oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-trust-anybody-bird-turn-the-picture-upside-down-rick-rolled-rick-astley-gif-17818758

[strange knot]

Wait if mods are orange, does that mean they are infected by radiance

[subtle lynx]

The name itself puts a big weight

[smoky bridge]

Yeah no that makes sense. Her mask is off. She's no longer coping.

[subtle lynx]

He is the title screen

[smoky bridge]

Where is the silk song then.

[subtle lynx]

The main character of the game

We play as silksong

[rocky lotus]

I hate silksong shes racist and homophobic

[earnest drift]

that doesn't really give us reason to sympathise with them

[subtle lynx]

No, but you understand this is an important character

[smoky bridge]

No, she's Hornet the daughter of way too many things at once.

[earnest drift]

i don't really see how that isn't present in silksong

[subtle lynx]

Gtg

[smoky bridge]

Lace is in the opening, one of her siblings is a possible act 1 ending boss and she is the prenultimate boss of act 2.

It's not like she's portrayed as unimportant.

[earnest drift]

well she's not in the opening, she causes hornet to escape but it takes a while for the player to realise that

[smoky bridge]

I have just realised I forgot it's not explicitly shown lmao.

[earnest drift]

but the achievement for lace's bossfight being "welcome to pharloom" is pretty telling

[finite swift]

throws it back

[wary storm]

how was the fall

[smoky bridge]

Spoilers for Dredge the videogame.

[viscid peak]

Visual and musical storytelling. As the fight goes on we can clearly understand that somehow THK is flawed, unable to fulfill their purpose any longer and suffering for it. Being progressively taken over by the infection and wanting it to end. It's really hard to not understand at the very least that their story is very tragic even if you have never seen any of the events that lead up to getting voidheart

[wary storm]

give us a call

[smoky bridge]

Because the story is about THK as much as it is about Hallownest.

Silksong is mainly about the turmoil of an actively dying kingdom, and Lace is simply both a victim and perpetrator of the system.
Lace is not Pharloom the same way HK is Hallownest

The point is that she's neglected, forgotten and resentful for being what she is and for what she cannot be and whatnot.