sk-discussion

[graceful oyster]

You learn to treat it like instant death

Start bending playstyles around avoiding it

[glacial kelp]

i remember it was like

an explosion of random liquids on sky islands

[graceful oyster]

No teleporting through levels, no lollygagging in upper work, etc.

[glacial kelp]

and there was like one pixel of poly

[graceful oyster]

No fungal shifting

[glacial kelp]

fungal shifting is fun though ...

[graceful oyster]

It is but it's bad for god runs

One time though I shifted blood away and still managed to get a flask of it

[glacial kelp]

oh is this like multiple end of everything

[graceful oyster]

Yeah, at the end of my first major god run and my 100h mark I decided to kill myself with dozens of EoEs

[glacial kelp]

have you done the like better crown thing with the pixel perfect end of everything placement

[graceful oyster]

You get the amulet gem for doing that and no, I'm not a cheater smh

I do have crown and amulet though

[glacial kelp]

im pretty sure they made it accessible without it recently not sure

[bold heart]

sshhh

[graceful oyster]

[ancient mortar]

Why the hell does an account named after a fictional character need to be marked as parody

were people gonna think its the real pk?

[graceful oyster]

Is it not

[ancient mortar]

it is twitter so thats not too far fetched

[graceful oyster]

It says "The Pale King"

It's a sin to lie

So it has to be pk

[glacial kelp]

i should redownload noita sometime

[ancient mortar]

true people on the internet would never lie to me

[raw pawn]

Sherma died in act 5

[ancient mortar]

this is true i saw it happen

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/negativojpg

Conductor Ballador (@negativojpg) on X

Pharloom's Last Conductor, and current ruler of the Citadel.
I am recovering.
https://t.co/JHpwgwlNi5
// 18
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// there is a chance I post non-HK stuff

X

hk twitter is a great place

[rancid flare]

Does dying to first sinner end a steel soul run

[opaque sigil]

Peak

[ancient mortar]

Not sure, she seems like a dream fight but there seems to be some strangeness around not refunding tools which dream fights normally do

[rough quiver]

hornets just swinging at air

[rocky jolt]

first sinner is a matchup just like shakra

[rough quiver]

hallucination

[ancient mortar]

Here's the castle unfolded. It can fold out to be displayed against a wall.

[opaque sigil]

If you try to use some item it says you can’t do it within a memory, plus the arena changes entirely during the fight and her spire getting destroyed gets reverted

[opaque sigil]

Oh that’s cool

[ancient mortar]

Also give access to interiors, but it loses its 360 degree displayability

[opaque sigil]

Being able to like wrap it to a wall gives a lot of cool display options

[ancient mortar]

Yeah it's also great for a big shelf

I'm not sure how I'ma display it, might build some custom terrain but that's gonna be a bit before I spend more cash on parts

Maybe i'll push it back to the wall and then build terrain out front?

[opaque sigil]

That does give it a bigger profile

[rancid stag]

i'm playing nine sols rn

yanren's beating my ass

[neat silo]

does anyone plays silskong on keyboard+mouse or is it just ne

[cursive torrent]

LEGO GRAHHHHHHHHH

I LOVE LEGO CHARLIE! I LOVE LEGOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[ancient mortar]

Lol

I have some cool stuff in my collection. i can send some pics of it sometime.

[cursive torrent]

Yes grahh

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-the-knight-roaring-knight-knight-black-knife-gif-8688560492526146057

[finite swift]

If ULTRAKILL became Silksong would Lace be Gabtiel

[ancient mortar]

do you care more about minifigs or sets. most of my minis are still in the boxes i store em in

[cursive torrent]

I kinda care more about unique pieces but I mainly love sets

[finite swift]

Who is this guy😭😭

[cursive torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-roaring-knight-deltarune-boss-gif-4552315353866418347

[ancient mortar]

alright lemme grab a pic of my other cool set

[cursive torrent]

*The Roaring Knight appeared.

[cursive torrent]

Holy moly

I remember getting the force awakens falcon back when it released

I think i still have the manual somewhere

[ancient mortar]

oh also you can see it in the corner but i modified the tuxedo cat set to look like my cat

[cursive torrent]

Aww

[ancient mortar]

also that pirate ship was fun af to make

[cursive torrent]

I think we still have some tuxedo cats at my target

I would love to get into classic sets if I could afford them

One of my favorite recent sets was the recent droideka build that released

[ancient mortar]

Lego tragically is unfathomably expensive. its the one nonessential thing i really spend a lot on

I don't buy much lego star wars anymore as the new sets are super overpriced compared to even sets a year before

[cursive torrent]

Yeah thats why this one was so awesome

[ancient mortar]

tuxedo cat is a great set. people will walk into the lego room and get freaked out thinking my cat dolly was locked in there. but its just the model lol

[cursive torrent]

Only 800 ish pieces for 70ish bucks

And its big

[ancient mortar]

the droideka was pretty sick.

One of the last decently priced battle packs was sadly the big clone trooper one.

i almost have all the figs i need to my hoth stuff anyway. Like wayy too many snowtroopers

[cursive torrent]

Lmao

[ancient mortar]

snowtroopers are fairly cheap to buy in bulk

same with castle knights

[cursive torrent]

You can set up the hoth battle effectively

[ancient mortar]

Also lego skeletons are the cheapest minifig you can get. so i buy a bunch whenever i do a parts order

[cursive torrent]

Wasn't this because every other set in the 2000s was a hoth set

[ancient mortar]

i've been buying the more recent version of the hoth troopers which are less popular due to the lack of waistcapes and backpacks, so demand is low

i like them personally

[cursive torrent]

Oh unlucky

I really like sandtroopers whenever they show up

They're pretty rare iirc

[ancient mortar]

yeah i think so, not as rare as the andor shoretroopers though

hoo boy are they expensive

[cursive torrent]

Stormtroopers are just such easy bulk mini figs when you do outlining in master building

[ancient mortar]

honestly they get hate but i like modern snowtroopers. them being low in demand makes them dirt cheap too

the scout is perfect tho

[cursive torrent]

God they do look incomplete without the backpack

[ancient mortar]

these guys are some of my fave bulk purchasable minifigs.

[cursive torrent]

Im glad castle made a comeback

[warm mantle]

AHHHHH

[ancient mortar]

also pirate parts are pretty easy to get your hands on

[cursive torrent]

Do they still sell actual fabric anymore or nah

[ancient mortar]

you can get some cloth pieces i think yeah

[cursive torrent]

Huge

I imagine they're similar to string pieces?

Attached to 2 studs?

[light swan]

i used to debate if i liked silksong music more or mio music more and it was lowkey leaning towards the silksong side

but i have vehemently changed my mind after hearing the phase 2 of the true final boss

this shits SO PEAKKKKKKK silksong could never compare

[cursive torrent]

Listen to choral chambers again

[light swan]

i just recently listened to choral chambers

as well as a remix better than the og

[cursive torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/armed-and-dangerous-winter-soldier-marvel-marvel-rivals-marvelrivals-gif-8838606042326037626

WRONG ONE

YOU KNOW WHAT I WANED TO SEND

[light swan]

i dont

[ancient mortar]

the coolest minifig i have is the cave troll from mines of moria. got it back before it was a collectors item as a kid

[hollow crater]

I tried playing hunters march normal track and gauntlet track at the same time and it really sounds like they were made to be played in tandem

[light swan]

some tracks are like that, maybe hunters march is like that too

mist transitions perfectly into phantom for exapmle

[hollow crater]

I was just amazed tbh and yeah you're right

[light swan]

same with cradle theme into gms theme

[hollow crater]

It's funny how when I discovered phantom I never did the standard route to the citadel ever again, it was just too good

[light swan]

i cant believe i forgot about my flea bounce save

https://youtu.be/u72_o4EGfvY?t=84 this was crazy

[tepid mist]

yo thats cool as hell

[ancient mortar]

Drapemite strat never fails (todays silksongdle spoiler)

[crisp heron]

THERES A SILKSONGDLE?

[ancient mortar]

are we being so fr rn

[ancient mortar]

yeah just google silksongdle game

[light swan]

uhhh karmelita statue?

[old raft]

i made to morwing in my steel soul run

big progress

[icy isle]

crustkingkhan's memorial

[old raft]

and i have garmond ready warding bell and druid eyes and stright pin

surely i wont die to morwing

[minor sparrow]

Where could it possibly be

[ancient mortar]

The classic mode is the only mode I like in silksongdle the location guesser is super inaccurate sometimes being completely wrong as to where the image comes from or it's easy af

And the bestiary guesser half the time says the name of the boss in the bestiary entry

[heady iron]

Whoa check this out
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3918470/Shards_of_Memories/

Steam

Shards of Memories

What you defeat does not disappear.

It changes you.

In Shards of Memories, defeated enemies leave behind memories that carry their abilities.…

Release Date

To be announced

This could revive the long dead metroidvania genre

[rancid stag]

honse

🐴

[light swan]

MIS: Memories In Shards

[graceful oyster]

[prime vale]

TROBIO

[wheat mango]

I hate ai because why did I find a cover for widow WITH WRITTEN LYRICS and it was almost entirely ai slop

I am upset

And it was for the first sinner too and they were really good

I say almost because the only thing man made were the lyrics apparently

[earnest drift]

one good thing the weavers did is programming the automatons with the compressed souls of the innocent in silkfly form to give them sentience instead of using AI slop

[fresh oracle]

deltarune/undertale has genuinely ruined peoples perception of silksong and hornet's control

[swift sand]

what

[fresh oracle]

the amount of people who believe that there is a canonical in-universe player controlling hornet is insane

[swift sand]

i've
never heard that

i think, ever

what

[earnest drift]

lmaoooooo

[fresh oracle]

have you been in the silksong community? mainly the youtube shorts?

[earnest drift]

"guys why did hornet kill green prince?"
"oh hornet didn't kill green prince, YOU killed green prince"

[fresh oracle]

YEP. ITS THIS

[swift sand]

for a while

[fresh oracle]

speaking of which hornet killing green prince feels like a legitimate plothole

it leaves a bad taste in my mouth hot take, hornet feels rlly out of character to just slaughter green prince despite his protests and hang his still beating heart on her home

[earnest drift]

i'm assuming it's the same reason she kills karmelita as a fourth heart
she does it as a test for herself to see if she's strong enough to brave the void and defeat lost lace

[swift sand]

the reason that she does this is because hornet's an asshole :P /silly

[fresh oracle]

atleast with karmelita she consents to it

[earnest drift]

that is true

[fresh oracle]

green prince tells hornet to leave him alone several times

hornet legit just murked an innocent guy

[swift sand]

we're forgetting all the vessels hornet's implied to have killed

[earnest drift]

yes but she's supposed to be growing from that

[glacial kelp]

is there no gameplay footage

[earnest drift]

act 3 is nearing the end of her redemption arc

[fresh oracle]

yeah

[swift sand]

her redemption arc when it comes to her relation to the common bugs, not necessarily in her role as a hunter (which she is and continues to be)

[fresh oracle]

the entire point of the game is to show hornet's growth which makes green prince's quest really ???

[swift sand]

'hornet's growth' doesn't mean she magically becomes a perfect person in every sense
she grows in a specific way

[fresh oracle]

Hornet time and time again shows to have a sense of morality and mercy, avoiding a killing blow on a literal robot and multiple other enemies, yet she suddenly draws the line at Green Prince?

[old raft]

green prince has a quest???

[swift sand]

oh my child

[swift sand]

and she brutally executes everyone else
she doesn't suddenly draw the line at the green prince, what are you talking about

[old raft]

i think gay prince is deserved he is so rude

[earnest drift]

what other innocent people does she kill around the time of act 3

[fresh oracle]

Everyone she brutally executes either attacks her first, is haunted, or she has no choice. Have you been playing a different game?

Hornet goes out of her way to intrude in Green Prince's space despite saying she won't, and goes out of her way to kill her despite gaining nothing out of it.

[swift sand]

every enemy

[earnest drift]

she killed a bunch of vessels and travellers in HK, but that was a very long time ago

[earnest drift]

this is either self defence or non-sentient bugs

[fresh oracle]

And unlike every other bossfight there is nothing to gain from this. At least with the vessels it was to test them.

[swift sand]

you do know the green prince also attacks her first
so that was self defense

[earnest drift]

no she killed the vessels because they threatened hallownest

[fresh oracle]

fr?

[earnest drift]

the knight is the only one she tests

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[fresh oracle]

hk lore confuses me to this day

[wheat mango]

Real…

[swift sand]

i'm quite sure that isn't true

she tests every vessel and before the knight they all fail

and she kills them

[earnest drift]

• in a memory, where hornet can't die, but green prince can
• hornet is the one who intruded into green prince's mind

[round pebble]

I regret everything I said about widow its a lowkey peak bossfight

[toxic vigil]

I think she tried to kill them in greenpath but saw their strenght after getting beat up so she decided to not

[swift sand]

again you could make the argument that she does this to hone her hunting skills like with carmelita

[earnest drift]

the first time isn't a test

[round pebble]

karmelita*

[fresh oracle]

i can't lie that has to be the biggest cop out reason and sounds really unrealistic given Hornet's character

[earnest drift]

and no vessel other than the knight survived the first battle with hornet

[swift sand]

again she says this exact thing when killing karmelita

[earnest drift]

this is what she says for the actual test

[fresh oracle]

Karmelita consents to it + she's about to die anyways

[swift sand]

i'll need you to explain how this proves it isn't a test

[fresh oracle]

hornet is homophobic theory 👀
-# /j

[earnest drift]

"i can't allow it" means there's no expectation for what happens if the knight "passes" the test

[swift sand]

thats not hornet's explanation, again i think you're inferring a little bit
hornet's explanation is explicitly "i wanted to hone my skills sorry "

[ancient mortar]

What the hell is the topic today

[fresh oracle]

im not going crazy but thats honestly bad writing

[toxic vigil]

Hornet lore

[ancient mortar]

what about it

[swift sand]

yeah, maybe

[sharp slate]

is hornet a blood thirsty monster is the question me thinks /s

[fresh oracle]

it doesnt really make sense with hornets character given we're well into act 3 and hornet has grown as a character

[swift sand]

the series isn't known for its brilliant writing standards iirc

[fresh oracle]

fr? lowkey expand im curious

[slender juniper]

Rate ts

[swift sand]

that is an explanation and thats what the game implies

[earnest drift]

hornet killing green prince still isn't as out of character as what the knight does in godhome

[sharp slate]

this skip fucking sucks

[fresh oracle]

tbf the knight isnt even a good person

theyre a neutral force driven by a motive

[ancient mortar]

Are we debating if hornet is evil or somthing again today

[earnest drift]

why she killed green prince

[sharp slate]

for fun

[ancient mortar]

shes homophobic clearly

[toxic vigil]

Like king khann / karmelita they are already quite dead
The green prince was about to kms so who cares
Karmelita though hornet just went in and killed her

[fresh oracle]

i fail to see a satisfying answer for why hornet would murk green prince that isnt "i needed to improve my skills so ill go ahead and kill an innocent man grieving his dead partner"

[sharp slate]

honestly its just bad writing imo, idk why they wrote it is "I will not disturb you" pumping shotgun noises

[median fractal]

homophobic and lesbian at the samw time clearly

[earnest drift]

it is kind of implied that it's what green prince wanted deep down if you really stretch it
still kind of messed up that hornet did it

[sharp slate]

yea we should just killed depressed people because they are suicidal

[ancient mortar]

Wasn't great that hornet did it but hornet is well known for doing assisted suicide so

[toxic vigil]

I mean.
Im not saying its good

[fresh oracle]

maybe hornet has secret sadist tendencies she needed to vent out

[slender juniper]

What she did to phantom

[leaden delta]

Hornet is REALLY funny I don’t know why they wrote her the way they did

[earnest drift]

also did they kill a lot of outsiders? does that mean green prince deserved to die or what

[ancient mortar]

the worst thing hornet does is murking squirms which last i checked arent haunted. like they don't have the threads

[ancient mortar]

... like literally half of the societies in the game attack outsiders

[sharp slate]

need more context of who and what (which we will never get)

[earnest drift]

what is with the tribes in the hk verse and being not nice to outsiders

[swift sand]

well my thing with hollow knight, more specifically hk1, though i do love that story
i refuse to believe that the devs didn't play dark souls, because the plot of hk1 is super similar to dark souls
anyhow aside from that, there's:
the white lady nursery thing which doesn't make much sense
the snail shamans saying they didn't have an affiliation to the void in the first game but having one in the second
pale beings just being like, stronger higher beings?
and i think just vague lore all around to obscur potential plot holes to be like, oh this implied lore explanation could solve this, instead of that void in the plot being actually expanded upon

[earnest drift]

yeah and they're all dead too

[slender juniper]

Holy

[old raft]

you can do that without heal

[fresh oracle]

i see i see

[swift sand]

i dont know actually too much about the deep lore of sk because i actually all but left this community when silksong released

[slender juniper]

No thank you

[fresh oracle]

i cant lie hk and sk lore confused the shit out of me

[swift sand]

but the few things i see there aren't amazing

[fresh oracle]

the lore is way too damn cryptic i cant process a thing

[sharp slate]

i tried that its so hard

[earnest drift]

it's also possible hornet just doesn't like green prince in particular

[swift sand]

go play rain world :)

[ancient mortar]

Why did every kingdom in the middle ages go to war constantly. Without nuclear weapons as a deterrent people just fight a lot.

[sharp slate]

i havent got healless skip once, i have a backup where i pogo on small conchfly though

[fresh oracle]

damn what did green prince do to hornet

[slender juniper]

Be gay

[fresh oracle]

all bro did was be locked up and hornet already plotting to rip out his heart omniman style

[ancient mortar]

its not easy being green (prince)

[glacial kelp]

what is the original picture lowkey

i have only seen this one

[earnest drift]

are the mantis lords bad for attacking outsiders as well

[swift sand]

oh also minor gripe with dialogue
i feel like a lot of characters kind of just
talk stereotypically fancy like every line is a piece of (half-decent) prose

[ancient mortar]

What do you mean by bird yaoi

[fresh oracle]

idk does anyone even care about them

[earnest drift]

did karmelita also order the death of outsiders

[ancient mortar]

oh peak

[sharp slate]

mantis lords are just defending their territory arent they

[earnest drift]

fuck it every leader of a tribe deserves to die

[swift sand]

communism

[glacial kelp]

cant you just not fight the mantis lords

[sharp slate]

in theory the mantis should capture and get rid of outsiders, but video game so enemy needs to kill you for tresspass

[glacial kelp]

like you literally challenge them no

[ancient mortar]

Ah yes black and white morality. always an interesting way to deal with narratives.

[sharp slate]

basic mantis i think they mean

[fresh oracle]

we gotta remember the bugs of the hk universe dont operate on the same strict moral-code like we do

[glacial kelp]

i mean they did specifically mention the lords

[karmic beacon]

Thank GOD I didn't spoil the true ending for myself 🥹

[glacial kelp]

but the basic ones territory makes sense yeah

[sharp slate]

oh im blind, sleepy too much text aaaa

[earnest drift]

were there any tribes that were chill with outsiders

[karmic beacon]

I no longer hate lost lace

[ancient mortar]

Shes a good boss despite the bugs

lemme get the gif

[karmic beacon]

The moveset is lwky fun when it doesn't feel like utter bullshit

[glacial kelp]

does hornet get attacked by the infected in hallownest

[karmic beacon]

Prolly

[ancient mortar]

i think something here needs a little tuning.

[sharp slate]

LL is good fight tbh, sad it has a few things that make it not shine though

[glacial kelp]

like the logic is maybe the knight is just an opp

[sharp slate]

still seems so bizarre to me

[karmic beacon]

Huh 😭

[ancient mortar]

yeah same i have no idea how this happens. im glad at least someone else recreated it on their save

[fresh oracle]

same to an extent

[ancient mortar]

so its not just a me issue

[glacial kelp]

i understand this shows a bug but why did you just stand still dawg 💔

[sharp slate]

yea, very inconsistent from what it seems, i couldnt replicate it, but tbh i didnt try that much

[karmic beacon]

I'm surprised I actually managed to see the moves cuz it felt so bs at the start

[ancient mortar]

if you are doing nohit attempt and you think you just got hit but then the boss phases through you, you kinda just sit there flabbergasted for a sec.

[karmic beacon]

Who are you people

[earnest drift]

i fucking love lost lace i love fighting the void-possessed body of an old enemy who saved hornet for some reason and despite everything she's done hornet decides she has to return the favour by proving to all of pharloom that things can be better and rescuing the most nihilistic person in the kingdom

[sharp slate]

only 2 bad lace combos i hate and thats when void tendrils from floor overlap void says and uppercut into the void tendrils from floor

[glacial kelp]

okay maybe that makes sense

[slender juniper]

Monor

[ancient mortar]

also when a bug like that happens i just give up on the attempt because it makes the end result clip look unearned.

[sharp slate]

tbh after the fight hornet should have just pushed her back into the void puddle, pharloom saved lace no longer needed

[earnest drift]

ok but that would bring lost lace back and we don't need a voided demigod running around the kingdom again

[glacial kelp]

no i understand its just that the clip wouldnt be as crazy if you like instinctively moved or something

[slender juniper]

Does this count as racism

Lost lace is black

[earnest drift]

regular lace is also black

[sharp slate]

fair enough hornet should have just binded her

[ancient mortar]

yeah i think me staying still is the reason she whiffs the second time as im standing in that sweet spot for it to miss

heres another clip of it also

[earnest drift]

have you seen my idea for the "crest of the brat"

[sharp slate]

lace crest

[earnest drift]

7 yellow slots
binding deals 3 dmg to yourself because you're using up silk
hitting an enemy fills up a ragebait meter, when it's full all enemies ragequit and leave
ragebait meter takes 5 hits to fill up

[glacial kelp]

if LL was still in the game but the te final boss was different would you enjoy her more

[ancient mortar]

I just want a pinstress crest that gives you 3 nailarts instead of one

[slender juniper]

Pinterest crest

[sharp slate]

tbh i would like a different TE boss, but thats only one of the reasons, i like karma and second sent more then LL

[glacial kelp]

second sent out of nowhere

karm is very auraful though

[sharp slate]

second sent is such a cool boss to optimize, very face pace, very fun for hitless

[ancient mortar]

cross stitch kinda cheeses the whole fight sadly

[sharp slate]

the skill ceiling is insanely high for hitless speedkills on second sentinel

[earnest drift]

how can lost lace be a disappoinment of a final boss when the bar was so low from the first game

[toxic vigil]

Plasmium phial + polip pouch should apply poison to hornet dealing 3 masks of damage twice

[sharp slate]

thats fair, but if you do a speed kill though

[glacial kelp]

i have no real memory of it so like

[toxic vigil]

Hk or rad

[sharp slate]

hitless speed kils are where its at trust

[ancient mortar]

only problem with base radi was shes too easy. otherwise the vibes are immaculate

[earnest drift]

radiance

[ancient mortar]

Absrad defo outclasses ll by a good bit.

[toxic vigil]

I mean for 1st time playthrough it was kinda hard for me

[sharp slate]

radiance was a better TE boss imo

[fresh oracle]

i did path. 5 thinking radiance would be the same difficulty and got completely atomized

[earnest drift]

radiance has aura but the writing and gameplay fell off

[toxic vigil]

Fight or lore wise

[sharp slate]

LL combat was better but Radiance fills what a TE boss should be like

[slender juniper]

Witch nuke

[earnest drift]

both

[hybrid flare]

This isnt really true

[ancient mortar]

don't forget multibinder doubles this things output

[toxic vigil]

Lore wise true fight wise false

[hybrid flare]

But radiance is less of a character but more of a consequence

[toxic vigil]

Lost trobbio next?

[sharp slate]

i didnt like radiances combat as much, BUT, phase changes were FUCKING AMAZING

[earnest drift]

that doesn't make it interesting

[sharp slate]

we got 0 good phase changes in LL maybe 1

[ancient mortar]

I mean they are entirely different types of villains. A force of nature vilain versus a sympathetic villain. Not super comprable.

[hybrid flare]

All of her phases are good fym

[toxic vigil]

Nah

[hybrid flare]

Which sympathetic villain? gms? she's still despotic asf

[ancient mortar]

lace is the comparison

[hybrid flare]

There's no "main" antagonist in silksong

[ancient mortar]

true final bosses

[sharp slate]

two of her phases actively make the fight easier, her voided attacks make the fight more complex, but still kinda plain/shares too much with basic act 3 enemies

[earnest drift]

both gms and lace are much more nuanced and sympathetic than radiance

[hybrid flare]

Well maybe gms but

[earnest drift]

radiance has a tiny bit of depth but a lot of her actions seem like chaos and death for the sake of chaos and death

[ancient mortar]

radiance isnt supposed to be complicated. shes a force of nature villain. like sauron.

[hybrid flare]

She has a shit ton of mixups to spice up her gameplay and make her more unpredictable

[sharp slate]

you mean the mixups we see in LACE 2

[hybrid flare]

She wants to erase pk's legacy

[toxic vigil]

She gained like
1 new non void thing

[austere linden]

anyone see the HOLLOW KNIGHT short on YT has 10 Million views

[hybrid flare]

She mixes up the void attacks aswell

[earnest drift]

is this stated in the game? i just see her not wanting to be forgotten

[slender juniper]

All entried that use they/them outside of phantom

[earnest drift]

anyway that again is destruction for the sake of destruction

[candid kayak]

more like she doesn't want that to happen to her

[sharp slate]

eh kinda with the tendrils ill give you that

[hybrid flare]

i mean i'd assume that from the loss of intelligence she causes

[earnest drift]

maybe it's a form of revenge but it's not very compelling

[toxic vigil]

Design wise i think Lace 2 > Lost Lace

[candid kayak]

as a dream being like that, she kinda only exists as she is remembered

to be forgotten is to no longer exist

[hybrid flare]

Design wise lost lace is just mid

[toxic vigil]

The only reason to like LL more is difficulty

[ancient mortar]

it is odd that garmond is always using they/them in the entries despite hornet knowing him personally and calling him sir

[candid kayak]

naturally, that is not a desirable outcome for them

[light swan]

lost lace and lace 2 have the same design, ones just black

[sharp slate]

main thing i wanted from a TE boss was better phase changes and make it more independant of a fight (combat wise)

[hybrid flare]

Like sprite wise

But i think lost lace just tops every boss in both games ASIDE karmelita

[ancient mortar]

ll is just lace 2 but harder imo. luckily lace 2 is a great fight

[sharp slate]

void wave attacks in phase 3 also annoy the heck outta me, so boring

[hybrid flare]

She's a more fun boss all around

[light swan]

this is what i think

[sharp slate]

indeed

[hybrid flare]

Is radiance gorb but harder?

[light swan]

i really give 0 shits that ll isnt the most unique and refreshing thing in the world because its simply fun

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk fights hornet because she's been imprisoned for centuries, hornet is her one chance of finally freeing herself and regaining the power that she's lost ever since the weavers betrayed her
radiance fights the knight because "you're trying to kill me? i'll kill you first"

[toxic vigil]

So
Last judge, refering to multiple things, bell beast

[sharp slate]

i like lace 2 bettter than LL, fact that you are restricted to a small platform is so cool

[toxic vigil]

No

[ancient mortar]

not comprable enough.

only one attack in common

[hybrid flare]

Is radiance dream warriors but harder?

[light swan]

i like the change in pace and time to chill a bit, especially useful for someone who isnt as good

[ancient mortar]

lost garmond is garmond but harder

[sharp slate]

??????

[earnest drift]

radiance is no eyes

[hybrid flare]

She acts like one, attacks similarly to them

[ancient mortar]

if you mushed em all toghether ig?

[hybrid flare]

Yeah

[earnest drift]

she gets attacks from elder hu and gorb and she teleports like no eyes

[sharp slate]

the only attack radiance shares with dream warriors is gorb right?

like literally

[earnest drift]

elder hu

[light swan]

what attacks does she get from elder hu again? i dont think sword rain counts tbh

[ancient mortar]

gms's fight feels like a less interesting radiance

[earnest drift]

it is sword rain

[sharp slate]

sword rain is not like elder hus lmao

[hybrid flare]

Disagree, she's piss easy ill give you that but the patterns are much more interesting

[earnest drift]

ok then she gets attacks from crystal guardian, soul master and traitor lord

[hybrid flare]

If they made the fight last a lil longer

[light swan]

i definitely think shes too easy, if gms was like around widow then thatd be fun

[sharp slate]

GMS fight was fine imo, people had too much expectations for a regular ending boss, it fits for where it is imo

[hybrid flare]

Yeah

[regal isle]

awakened GMS mod makes the her fight actually good, its challenging but not unfair

[sharp slate]

its kinda like the hollow knight in terms of difficulty, but with less aura

[light swan]

i think it fits but when i look at gms all i see is wasted potential

[hybrid flare]

I mean difficulty is often not the issue for me, but compared to literally EVERYTHING else in silksong she was too easy

[ancient mortar]

I wish gms was the hardest act 2 fight

[fallen wolf]

but she's badass

[toxic vigil]

I mean hollow knight was harder in an easier overall game

[sharp slate]

fair, a lot of people found lace 2 harder then gms

[light swan]

and after experiencing mio i really know what a good background boss is like and gms was their chance to make one better than radiance but they didnt

[regal isle]

too bad she got THK treatment

[hybrid flare]

"Original boss lovers" when i mention the fact that 4/5ths of pure vessel's moveset is recycled

[toxic vigil]

Lace 2, heck trobbio > gms

[sharp slate]

i steam rolled GMS because i had basically full gear, but i think gms is harder then thk with base gear

[ancient mortar]

absrad is unbeatable as a background boss to me so far

[light swan]

pv to hk is what ll was to l2

[ancient mortar]

her and maybe that one boss from blasphemous

[hybrid flare]

I feel like ll has more variety

[sharp slate]

though thk is ALOT more tanky then gms that might be the problem

[hybrid flare]

The void shit plays differently

[light swan]

absrad is definitively beaten by a certain mio boss

[fallen wolf]

fr

[toxic vigil]

I like hollow knight
Pv is like hollow knight if they didn't have cancer and fell down every 4 seconds

[hybrid flare]

I killed this mf in 15 seconds my last run what

[sharp slate]

pure vessel isnt a true ending boss

[fallen wolf]

I was dissapointed by The Fourth Chorus too

[earnest drift]

ll is quite a bit more varied from l2 compared to pv vs thk

[sharp slate]

if pure vessel was at the end of TE of hk i would bitch

[hybrid flare]

Radiance is soul master, traitor lord and dream warriors

[light swan]

do you want ll to be dlc exclusive optional?

or is it fine as is

[hybrid flare]

mio glazing

[sharp slate]

the game is what it is now, i just wish we had a different TE fight

[hybrid flare]

(I havent played mio)

[ancient mortar]

No boss in silksong even after nohitting them all has beat out the four secret everhood bosses

[hybrid flare]

Like, for example..?

[sharp slate]

i dont know off the top my head, i just dont like lace 3 as a TE fight, just an opinion

[light swan]

what can i say man, that background boss was way too good

[fiery rune]

Will you be getting som tool that lessen the damage of void possessed enemies?

[toxic vigil]

Maybe just.
Make lost lace an actually interesting fight and not just recycled lace 2 with void

[toxic vigil]

No

[earnest drift]

i wouldn't have liked it if we had another god as the TE final boss because that'd be the 5th one

[hybrid flare]

Oh mb twin a boss shares some attacks and slightly similar patterns in her first phase

[earnest drift]

fifth god as a final boss

[light swan]

Maybe just.
Make pure vessel an actually interesting fight and not just recycled the hollow knight with void

[ancient mortar]

There's the everbloom which removes the silk loss on hit but otherwise no.

[hybrid flare]

I've realized that hk fans want eye candy and less of else

[sharp slate]

pure vessel is a fine fight because of what godhome is trying to accomplish imo

[toxic vigil]

Thats just false bc pure vessel is just meant to be harder hk for pantheons and not a distinct boss

[earnest drift]

lost lace is very different from lace 2 compared to NKG and Grimm and Pure Vessel and THK

[fiery rune]

thanks

[light swan]

im fine with pv too dw

but im purely judging these bosses from a gameplay perspective rn which ig others arent doing

[toxic vigil]

Lost lace and lace 2 is comparable to grimm and nkg

[sharp slate]

none of those are TE bosses though

[light swan]

but thats 100% of the reason why lost lace is perfect

[sharp slate]

my main complaint is the lack of distinction for TE (this is all opinion so tbh this convo will go nowhere)

[light swan]

well not perfect but like ykwim

[hybrid flare]

Oh yeah the hollow knight is bad and recycled because it has a lunge slash combo and fat mawlek thing projectiles

[light swan]

if i had to pick a true ending boss id pick lace

and the boss itself is fun so i have no complaints

[toxic vigil]

• way fucking harder version of a boss
• barely anything new ( void / more fire )

[hybrid flare]

Maybe the entire act 3 was preparing you for smt like this?

[earnest drift]

i just like not having another god as the TE final boss

[light swan]

i just like lace specifically as TE final boss

did tm grimm not have fire

[toxic vigil]

PV was made because they couldn't just use hollow knight because they are meant to have the infection

[earnest drift]

DLC final boss will probably be another god anyway

[light swan]

nvm that said more fire

[sharp slate]

tbh i will still always bitch about this mechanically said https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1467735787301769317/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_1.mp4?ex=69a26c78&is=69a11af8&hm=c06a017005aa614b2815ec85ff3e29b8e2cf3298c662f88c9e5c121502cefc7a&

[earnest drift]

unless it's another weaver in which case praise team cherry

[light swan]

lost lace ends up being a random bullshit go at times which i get

[hybrid flare]

Did you know, that if you read the boss, you can dodge the boss?

[sharp slate]

you really going to talk shit?

[toxic vigil]

Ngl the 2 weaver fights were quite fun

[hybrid flare]

Did you not notice the big tendril puddle that she leaves when she dives in one of her later phases?

[strange knot]

Good thing it’s not Gurr random bullshi go

[light swan]

ooh beef going down in sk-discussion

i want a good gurr fight

[toxic vigil]

Widow was a huge difficulty spike and 1st sinner is a bit easy but i liked them

[sharp slate]

gurr is better than LL imo

[hybrid flare]

[strange knot]

No fucking way

[sharp slate]

im just baiting a bit, i do like gurr though

[plush plover]

gurr is a cool guy i like him

[hybrid flare]

Palestag tops ALL of hk bosses

[light swan]

random bullshit go but you need to move around and not just stand in a corner to dodge everything

[sharp slate]

yea sorry i didnt see black overlaying black attack when i am focused on what attack LL is going to do next

its easy to say "JUST DODGE" in a video where you arent actively fighting

[hybrid flare]

i've done countless nohits of ll what??

[light swan]

i agree "just dodge" is crazy advice

[strange knot]

Yeah

[light swan]

its the same feeling of hearing "get good"

[earnest drift]

another argument about whether lost lace is a good final boss but i don't feel like joining in for some reason

[sharp slate]

I have done all bosses in a row hitless, are you really trying to pull credentials here

[hybrid flare]

Maybe if you have the fact that she leaves a big razor puddle at the back of your mind..

[light swan]

like when i was crashing out over karmelita's backstep despite doing the boss hitless 12 times

[hybrid flare]

How can't you read that one thing then

[strange knot]

It doesn’t happen always btw

[light swan]

theoretically everything is dodgeable and readable, doesnt make it good

[hybrid flare]

Palestag projectiles

[fallen wolf]

dodge savage beastfly

[strange knot]

Yeah, like karmelita back step

[light swan]

karmelitas backstep isnt readable

void tentacles are readable and dodgeable but i wouldnt say that makes it good

[sharp slate]

because i was focused on the next attack LL was making so i didnt catch tendrils immedialy because they got hid under saws after a short time

[strange knot]

It’s dodgable tho

[light swan]

she teleports away which redirects your attention since shes on the left now

[hybrid flare]

They're something to keep in mind when fighting the boss

[light swan]

the ground is black, having a small disturbance like that isnt hte most obvious

[light swan]

doesnt make it a good attack

[hybrid flare]

It pressures you into memorizing the boss

Even if its not always the most clearly visible thing you can still read it off of lace diving

[light swan]

its still a random bullshit go moment no matter how dodgeable it is

[light swan]

how many times have i established that its readable and dodgeable...

[hybrid flare]

Then???

[sharp slate]

I just pulled up clip in my video editor, i had LESS THEN A SECOND to notice the void puddle btw before it covered by a saw

[hybrid flare]

Lace dive, there no go

[light swan]

A

[sharp slate]

shes not guarenteed to do tendrils on drive though

[light swan]

no i think she is

[sharp slate]

she is not

[hybrid flare]

iirc she is at one point?

[light swan]

even then its still not a good attack even if its readable and dodgeable

[sharp slate]

let me pull up the clip illusion 1 sec

[light swan]

you can adapt to bullshit but its still bullshit

[light swan]

phase 3+ at least she always does tentacles when she goes into the ground hopefully im not wrong

[sharp slate]

let me see if i can find clip, me and someone were debating this is seems really inconsistent imo

[hybrid flare]

Its not bs if you can dodge and read it...

[light swan]

no, its still bullshit

[hybrid flare]

Bs cant either be read or dodged

[light swan]

clearly we have very different definitions of bullshit

[hybrid flare]

or is akward for the rythm of the fight

[arctic epoch]

I mean, you can try saying that to bullet hell

[light swan]

take a geometry dash level for example

[sharp slate]

i dont have the clip anymore, i need to do more analysis of the fight anyway illusion i know when she summersaults out of the air though its not gaurenteed tendrils

I think when LL is grounded though she has a different tendril animation

[light swan]

it may not have blind transitions and invisible spikes but if its unbalanced and chokepoint heavy, its still bullshit even if its readable bullshit

[hybrid flare]

why we stepping into other completely differing types of games now

[light swan]

theres no reason why its different for boss attacks, if an attack isnt well designed then its bullshit

[hybrid flare]

yes, it throws you off, thats bs

[light swan]

not really

especially if you learn the level (like you learn the boss) then you will know its there just like you will know lace's tentacles will be there

but its still bullshit

[sharp slate]

im gonna open up silksong im gonna do more tendril analysis i want to figure this shit out to see for sure

[light swan]

there are some principles to good boss design

some things, readable/dodgeable or not, still break those principles

just because something is readable or dodgeable doesnt make it a good attack

karmelita backstep is unreadable bullshit :3

[sharp slate]

I know i wont convince people but i believe she is consistent, i dont know how yet but i swear to god she is

[light swan]

karmelita?

[sharp slate]

yea

[light swan]

well she probably is consistent but that doesnt fix the problem lol

[sharp slate]

yea, i agree its a problem you gotta play around it, i guess i would consider that bad design as well

it seems like jumping triggers backstep/forward step

[light swan]

you gotta play around it and you can play around it

but its still bullshit

[sharp slate]

yea agreed

[light swan]

generally if youre above karmelita's waist when shes in the corner

which is often if youre landing or jumping or circleting or something else

[sharp slate]

yea for my hitless runs i just never fucking cirletted her

way to dangerous

[light swan]

you can still circlet her but you just gotta be real good and careful with it

[sharp slate]

when i do speedkills feels like rolling dice when i sawtooth

[sharp slate]

fair

[light swan]

the something else in question

[sharp slate]

illusion what did you think caused tendrils again

[light swan]

if you can somewhat circlet her when shes staggered you can generally circlet her at all times

[light swan]

likely falling into the void floor in phase 3-4

[sharp slate]

basically her somersaulting into void from the sky gotcha

[earnest drift]

illu how do i spogo on hunter crest

[sharp slate]

can confirm then that it is not consistent

[light swan]

jump and pogo at the same time

[sharp slate]

im going to get a spreadsheet out and check every attack she does in the air

to see if its certain attacks

[earnest drift]

press z and x at the same time? not one after the other?

[sharp slate]

or if its chance based

[light swan]

well one after the other but ideally theyre close enough they should kinda be at the same time

[burnt pagoda]

yes

[light swan]

one after the other is a slow way to teach it i think

when it pretty much should be at the same time

[burnt pagoda]

hunter/witch r the best ones to get used to it i think

maybe reaper but ive never used sawtooth reaper before

[earnest drift]

hunter is the second easiest??

[sharp slate]

Whats all the attacks LL can do, triple dash, temdrils long, tendrils sky, triple slash, parry grounded, parry air, void bullets, void saws, void tendrils (whole floor thing) did i miss anything?

[burnt pagoda]

well i never found it hard so

[light swan]

beast can consistently spogo but only on the first half of its damage hitbox

[sharp slate]

cursed

[light swan]

its because the circlet runs out by the time yo uget to the rest ofi t, but the circlet is positioned below the ball

[earnest drift]

voided moulinet?

[light swan]

hunter can inconsistnetly spogo but its way more consistent than the rest

[sharp slate]

what is the moulinet?

[earnest drift]

aoe circles triple dmg

[light swan]

every crest can spogo from the side though

[sharp slate]

ah phase 4

[light swan]

did you mention void balls

[burnt pagoda]

its not consistent?

ive never had any problems with it myself

[light swan]

its not

circlet doesnt always hit especially if youre spogoing form above

[sharp slate]

ill do phase 4 test after i do phase 3

[burnt pagoda]

maybe im just really lucky ig

[sharp slate]

i forgot about her dive down attack

[sharp slate]

is that the bullet hell then yes xD or saw balls, in case yes

[light swan]

oh you consider those saws

[sharp slate]

idk what to call em tbh

blob -> saws

[light swan]

balls

[sharp slate]

im gonna seperate that attack into two, blob saws grounded and blob saws in the air

[light swan]

ya

spogo comparison

every crest can still spogo from the side, hunter is probably one of the better ones for it

[earnest drift]

i like using needle arts on lost lace when she does any attack that makes her stand still

[light swan]

spogoing still works consistently on hunter if you wavedash

[still osprey]

What is an spogo?

[earnest drift]

does lace stop parrying in phases 3 and 4

[light swan]

when you activate sawtooth circlet and pogo and the same time

[still osprey]

Ohh

[strange knot]

Why wouldn’t it be consistent

[light swan]

so the pogo cancels the double jump animation

[light swan]

@strange knot

if anything im confused on how hunter can even spogo in the first place

[still osprey]

I need to learn to play with circlet eventually

[earnest drift]

dang it

actually is that a good thing

[light swan]

witch spogo used to be broken when circlet turnarounds were in the game

[earnest drift]

because if you trigger lace's parry usually you get free hits

[light swan]

parries slow the fight down

[void moat]

hello sk-discussion

[light swan]

whats this clip is it my spogo clip

its not nvm

[void moat]

i might pull an all-nighter because i want my sleep schedule fixed, is this a good idea

[light swan]

heres a spogo clip

heres another @still osprey

[strange knot]

I should no hit Karm with witch after coral tower

[light swan]

wrong video oops

[still osprey]

I seeee that's cool

[sharp slate]

i forgot her void bullet hell attack can be done grounded as well fuck

[strange knot]

Ll’s bullet attack sucks

[little tulip]

Hey guys

[still osprey]

Circlet is an awesome tool I need to lock in and learn how to use it eventually

[light swan]

back then, the left and right side of circlet hit separately

[little tulip]

How is everyone

[light swan]

and witch spogos could make them both hit since youre inside the enemy

[still osprey]

I've been trying to play with it some more lately

[little tulip]

What is a good witch crest build

I am a witch crest user

[light swan]

sawtooth circlet claw mirrors multibinder injector bands

[light swan]

juicy ngl

[ancient mortar]

Multibinder, warding bell, claw mirrors, and whatever else you'd like.

[still osprey]

Especially good opportunity since I want to move away from warding bell and use another blue tool instead

[ancient mortar]

injector and sawtooth are great choices.

[light swan]

dont go warding bell unless yorue really really really good

[warm coral]

guys

i need help

[light swan]

i had needle 2 at the time of this video, so i am doing 3x damage on a pogo

[little tulip]

Im good with cross stitch

[light swan]

then use cross stitch

[warm coral]

can sm1 help me wit silksong plz

[strange knot]

Yeah?

[little tulip]

I want to get my bell home but I don't know what to do

[warm coral]

bet call me

[light swan]

i wish tc didnt patch out circlet turnarounds

3x damaging spogos were juicy

[little tulip]

Pavo's dialogue doesn't change

[odd marsh]

my first ever short did 1.1k views im so hapy :>

[strange knot]

U need to do some wishes

[still osprey]

You need to do bellhart donations iirc

[strange knot]

And speak to pavo few times

[light swan]

imagine if circlet turnarounds werent patched out but the bug involving crafting kits still happened

witch spogo would deal 3.5x damage

[mellow aurora]

type shi

[earnest drift]

what circlet techniques are considered bugs

[strange knot]

Witch is the best crest on earlier patches or smt?(in terms of dps)

Witch*

[light swan]

witch spogo wouldve dealt the same damage as sharpdart

[light swan]

no definitely not

[light swan]

witch still had all the same problems

but shaman crest was even stronger back then, at 220 damage per exthorm

the sawtooth circlet fixes only buffed every other crest except for witch

[strange knot]

Shaman my beloved

[light swan]

none as of rn, circlet turnaround on previous patches though

[earnest drift]

spogos looks so cool

[light swan]

they sound so juicy

[earnest drift]

hornet diving down while her dress flares open to unleash a flurry of razors

[sharp slate]

AEWSFWAFWFWAF

I DONT UNDERSTAND LL

[light swan]

whyd she go back up so fast

[sharp slate]

from this small bit of data i conclude its random

might ask modding server to see if someone can dig into code for me

[light swan]

wtf happened with the triple dashes and slashes

how do those make tendrils

[sharp slate]

i considered when she dove under right after

[strange knot]

I love posting this clip with no context

[light swan]

and those make tendrils ???

[sharp slate]

when she goes into ground after the attack

not the attack itself

[light swan]

i never knew those made tendrils wtfff

[sharp slate]

it does seem that when lace does air tendril attack it is SIGNIFCANTLY more likely though

which is bizzare

@light swan this is what i mean by dash into tendrils

[light swan]

ya i understood i just never knew that could make tendrils

[sharp slate]

its hard to get triple slash instances to document because she does double slash into grounded tendril attack alot

[still osprey]

I don't think I've ever seen her make tendrils after a grounded attack

That's so interesting

[sharp slate]

im curious if phase 2 -> 3 changes tendril occurances

i have no clue though, thats a test for another day

[earnest drift]

are you talking about lace's dive making tendrils

[ancient mortar]

Luigi is peak

[light swan]

tendril making dives yes

[still osprey]

I didn't know you could garama to start this fight

[sharp slate]

yep

[regal isle]

getting hit by his ass slam would be entering a true void

[light swan]

lugoli is so fun right

this is why yall shoul;d play mio theres 0 bs at all

[cursive torrent]

Void ass jim even

[sharp slate]

lace has a bunch of detection boxes which is intresting

[light swan]

its 100% consistent except for the thing that decides what the next boss attack is

[little tulip]

So... What do you guys think about pantheon of pharloom

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silk-issue-silk-issue-gif-15588893687607418966

[cursive torrent]

Should be easier

Than p5

[still osprey]

Really good mod I hope they add summoned saviour just for completion sake

[ancient mortar]

Ash have you done any more investigating on what could cause that phasing on her lunge move?

[sharp slate]

very fun, i spent alot of time in it

[ancient mortar]

is there a possibility her contact damage hitbox vanishes for just a few frames

[little tulip]

I cant use beast crest ngl

[cursive torrent]

What are these used for? Her ai?

[little tulip]

Im still terrible with the pogo

[sharp slate]

nope, maybe another day xD

[regal isle]

way harder than pantheon of hallownest

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-14514797702729285380

[sharp slate]

boxes change what she does based if you are inside of it, karmalita for example has one if you are above her head she is more likely to dash or do sawblade sky attack

i dont know what these boxes do for LL though'

[cursive torrent]

[still osprey]

I love beast crest but I could never get the hang of the pogo

[little tulip]

Same

[light swan]

you should practice it and learn it

[cursive torrent]

Maybe determines what kind of counter?

[little tulip]

Its like the hunter pogo but with a wider angle

[light swan]

do it, become a multicrester

the pogo is like a dash if anything

[candid kayak]

lunge

[light swan]

just treat it as such

[little tulip]

Ok

[sharp slate]

i think the tallest one, pink purple determines if she does an aerial attack, the one where she jumps from the ground, parry thing is intresting though

[light swan]

think of it like a better clawline but it can hit below you too

[little tulip]

Thanks

[still osprey]

The thing is that I would pogo on enemies and I would still take damage I could just never get a hang of the spacing

[little tulip]

Yeah

[light swan]

which is why im saying to treat it like a dash

you cant just dash into an enemy you gotta be a bit farther away first

[little tulip]

Because it doesn't activate instantly

[sharp slate]

the aqua colored one i think determines if she dashes back i need to do more testing

[little tulip]

That's the whole reason

[light swan]

i need to get a beast pogo clip against karmleita

[sharp slate]

i lied she dashes back anyways hmmm

maybe green one

[still osprey]

Yet again, the way I experimented with crests was doing all act 1 and 2 bosses playthroughs with them so who knows maybe my opinions just suck 🔥

[little tulip]

Karmelita is my favourite boss to practice cross stitch

[light swan]

architect pogo glaze

more archipogo glaze

[light swan]

the 2nd clip is wrong oops

[sharp slate]

so one of these hitboxes determine if she dashes backwards my assumption its the green

[ancient mortar]

I feel like for my next challenge runs i should ban spells and red tools, but allow blues maybe? would make things more fun if i can do stuff like warding bell parries.

[sharp slate]

too much brain power im done analysing ll for tonight

[still osprey]

Father of the Flame was miserable for like 3 of these btw genuinely impressive how this of all bosses can be crest dependant

[light swan]

i think you should just trust yourself and allow certain things

[candid kayak]

I've done father of the flame with beast and it was actually really comfortable

[light swan]

like im using red tools but im allowing cool ones like silkshot and pimpillo

[little tulip]

My favourite is mount fay silkshot

[candid kayak]

like for the top two lanterns I was alternating between them with each pogo

[still osprey]

I have too, it was an experience to say the least

[sharp slate]

double enemies steel soul hear me out

[light swan]

have you seen my architect fight recently

[still osprey]

Wasn't as bad as Architect and Witch tho

[cursive torrent]

I didnt know father of the flame could give lobotomies

[ancient mortar]

Also illusion what do you think of this challenge: Shaman, no tools at all, rune rage only.

[light swan]

fotf sucks with witch cuz witch pogo only deals half damage to it cuz it thinks its a world object and not an enemy

[strange knot]

Archi pogo is weird

[still osprey]

Yep exactly

[light swan]

unfun and boring

[candid kayak]

taking full advantage of the horizontal nature of the pogo

[light swan]

its a sniper rifle theres nothign weird about it

[still osprey]

And Architect's pogo only hits once I believe

[ancient mortar]

To be clear i can still use needle, just rune rage is my only spell

[candid kayak]

remember to wind it up

[sharp slate]

slot machine noises

[light swan]

probably still hits once against fotf

[candid kayak]

it has tremendous range and 2x damage if you wind it up

[still osprey]

As if I had the time to with the wisps coming for my ass

[light swan]

which means its not doing shit

[candid kayak]

...oh god true

[ancient mortar]

Is rune rage any fun to use?

[candid kayak]

no.

[light swan]

nope

[ancient mortar]

it looks so cool...

[light swan]

its fun against certain bosses like groal but most the time youll just claw your brains out

[candid kayak]

it's really slow, it whiffs constantly and if you get interrupted you lose ALL of your silk

[little tulip]

Use cross stitch

[ancient mortar]

For a spelless no red tools challenge would warding bell be good fun?

[strange knot]

Snare setter is more fun than rune rage

[little tulip]

Once u get the hang of it ull be good

[light swan]

yes definitely

[still osprey]

Does warding bell protect you like with binding or nah, I'd imagine no but

[candid kayak]

god I wish father of the flame worked like an actual enemy

the jank implementation is so problematic

[sharp slate]

sadly no, i used it for double beast fly and that was funny

[light swan]

it does, i parry with it on architect

[still osprey]

Oh really

[light swan]

rune rage

[light swan]

@still osprey

[still osprey]

That's so cool actually I love Hollow Knight Silksong

[candid kayak]

like delver's drill awkardly and slowly bounces on the small lanterns, and falls straight through the big lantern

[little tulip]

What is the best minion build with architect crest

[little tulip]

Tell me somone

[strange knot]

Tc should return volt pogos and make groal voided if you fight it in act 3

[candid kayak]

• Cogfly

[sharp slate]

i wonder if rune rage is even the highest damage silk skill if you account for animation time lmfao

definitely isnt

[ancient mortar]

Because what im thinking is i do a challenge run with 1 mask no red tools, no spells, but blues and yellows allowed (so long as they don't negate hits like fractured or dice) I can't decide what crest to use for it tho.

[strange knot]

Whisp lantern

[light swan]

well it has the highest damage potential since its more than exthorm

[light swan]

allow red tools

use beast

[little tulip]

Jus send me photo of the build if someone can

[still osprey]

Wispfire Lantern sucks unfortunately

[sharp slate]

it too me a minute to figure what exthorm meant, i got it though

[candid kayak]

I just wish the lanterns responded to damage like any other enemy rather than like props jerry rigged to have HP

[ancient mortar]

reds i don't like using much at all. because i don't play in like boss refight modes so i have to grind shards

[sharp slate]

im thinking damage per time to cast though

[light swan]

isnt exthorm so much cooler than extended thread storm

[light swan]

exthorm isnt all that faster

[light swan]

oh true shards

[sharp slate]

say rune rage takes 5 seconds deals 150 and silkspear does 50 takes 1 second

[cursive torrent]

Play steel soul smh

[sharp slate]

curious if silk spear cancells is better silk dps then rage basically

[ancient mortar]

Steel soul is boring. doesnt make individual fights harder.

[light swan]

stuff like pimpillo, silkshot, and snare setter are so damn fun though

[sharp slate]

pimpillo my beloved

[candid kayak]

I love pimpillo

[cursive torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/morshu-dance-legend-of-zelda-link-faces-of-evil-gif-8679360762288017481

[sharp slate]

carried me in the double enemies mod hard

[strange knot]

Agree. I’ve never really used anything except snare setter tho tbh

From this list

[candid kayak]

having bombs is fun

[sharp slate]

its legit s tier for double enemies until you get volt vessel

[still osprey]

I hope when/if silksong godhome releases, shards don't get wasted in it like in memories

[sharp slate]

then you have two bombs

[cursive torrent]

Bombs and boomerang will forever be my favorite reds

[light swan]

its a nice sneak attack when you can just quickly fling it at something above you

[candid kayak]

spamming tools is no fun but using them in the right situations is very fun, and I think pimpillo is perfectly suited to that

[little tulip]

What is the best spell that can be used anywhere

[light swan]

#sk-discussion message exactly what i do here

[strange knot]

Spear imo

[sharp slate]

like this right /s

[cursive torrent]

Thread storm!

[light swan]

sharpdart...

[ancient mortar]

Which crest has the most fun base moveset, like disregarding actual power and other special abilities, what crest has the coolest attacks that are the most fun to use

[strange knot]

Sharp dart is amazing

[candid kayak]

is this what people think palestag is like

[strange knot]

My 2nd fav

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[sharp slate]

i love sharpdart

[steel gull]

why we fighting 3 palestags

[sharp slate]

this is what sharpdart should have been

[light swan]

witch crest is just the coolest crest no matter what ngl

[sharp slate]

4 technically, fun? was it fun.... hmmm

[candid kayak]

definitely

[cursive torrent]

I wish we had access to sharpdart in act 1

[little tulip]

I agree

[steel gull]

idfk how to use witch

[sharp slate]

you can with a skip

[little tulip]

Hunter crest is good

[strange knot]

Yes.

[cursive torrent]

Heal skips got patched?

[little tulip]

But if u get hang of pogo

[sharp slate]

i dont think so

[steel gull]

i have a witch crest build but idk what to do with it

[light swan]

hunter crest is cool but it ultimately just ends up being "spam attack when youre near"

[candid kayak]

same as anything else, but healing is trickier and deals damage

[light swan]

witch is so much more interesting to use

[sharp slate]

speedrunners would fucking riot if they got patched (maybe im lying because you can do most of the heal skips without healing... hmmmm)

[strange knot]

There are some cool techs with hunter too

[candid kayak]

basically start healing next to where the enemy will be, so by the time the roots start lashing the enemy has moved into range of them

[strange knot]

Turn arounds for example

[light swan]

one

[strange knot]

Or dash attack is also pretty cool to use

[sharp slate]

Vietnam flashbacks from the word turnaround

[light swan]

witch dash attack is cooler in every way

[little tulip]

My favourite boss to fight is karmelita

[ancient mortar]

I'm trying to figure out what crest I'm gonna use for the no reds no spells 1 mask run. I think I'm considering either hunter again, reaper, or architect. I wanna use warding bell parries for it.

No beast or hunter as I'm using em for other runs.

[still osprey]

Witch is objectively cool but like it's really not my playstyle

[light swan]

witch !!!!

[sharp slate]

turnarounds in hk were sooooo stupid

[strange knot]

I agree, but would something be bad just because something else is better?

[light swan]

i agree

[sharp slate]

i have trauma

[little tulip]

.

[light swan]

nope but thats not what i said luckily :D

[ancient mortar]

I'm considering it but idk if I got what's needed to pull of witch combos consistently

[sharp slate]

based same, second sent is closing the game though

[light swan]

why not 😢

[steel gull]

naked

[light swan]

believe in yourself

[ancient mortar]

That's boring

[light swan]

growth mindset!!!!

anyway shaman dash cancelling

[steel gull]

cursed

[ancient mortar]

Just the hunter turnarounds are already hard enough on my fingers.

[light swan]

😢 😢

[strange knot]

Btw, I remember another one. It’s pogo -> dash -> attack. Also wavedashing is only possible with hunter

[sharp slate]

okay i need to sleep i said i was gonna sleep a while ago, gn silkcord, keep spreading the glory of sharpdart goodbye

[ancient mortar]

I want to learn witch but it just seems like a ton of tech I'd need to learn.

[little tulip]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JmLaF8YBiEo?si=p26SVqym7eppN4V7
Did anyone watch

[steel gull]

same

[little tulip]

Watch 👆

[light swan]

@ancient mortar learn shaman dash cancelling thats the only tech

[light swan]

i already mentioned that

[still osprey]

Remind me, how much damage does Warding Bell do?

[light swan]

thats the only real tech hunter has

[light swan]

around 1.5x, so 31/32

[still osprey]

Damn that's pretty good actually

[light swan]

it turns witch bind into the highest damaging attack in the game, above shaman volt filament extended thread storm

[still osprey]

That's more than Hunter evo 1

[little tulip]

Did anyone watch

[ancient mortar]

Is there any tech for reaper? It would be cool to give reaper some love for challenges

[light swan]

not that i know of

it has cool parry shenanigans, chaining pogos is fun but thats not a reaper thing

[little tulip]

Shaw!!

I mean saw tooth

[still osprey]

I love how much tech silksong has it reminds me a lot of celeste

[ancient mortar]

How much tech is there for witch anywho?

[light swan]

and btw beast and witch can wavedash in combat too

[strange knot]

Wait what????

[steel gull]

what should i use for witch crest, i have injector band, multibinder, claw mirrors and longclaw

[light swan]

dash attack animation cancels, rdac as a whole, spogos, warding bind

[strange knot]

What does wave dashing in combat even means tho

[light swan]

drop longclaw for sawtooth circlet

[light swan]

dashing after a pogo to speed things up

or alternatively, using iframes to go through enemies

no one cares about wavedashing for speed in combat lol

[ancient mortar]

Is it the same inputs as hunter?

[strange knot]

I wouldn’t call that wave dashing tbh

[light swan]

yea, just pogo then dash

[light swan]

then wtf is a wavedash

[strange knot]

Idfk

[ancient mortar]

So I can use it the same way. I have been meaning to use beast at some point

[strange knot]

I don’t think there is a stable definition

[light swan]

well... its when you dash after a pogo

[ancient mortar]

If we need to make up a new name can we call it the pogdash

[light swan]

a pogo that sends you down more specifically