sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

I also do think it just sorta naturally synergizes with bird of prey in terms of playstyle even though yes bop persists briefly after a glide

[wary raptor]

I copyright you
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[daring basin]

holy hell

[old raft]

ggs bro

[daring basin]

took shorter than expected but still way to long for a boss T-T

[light swan]

bop is amazing because it lasts 2 seconds after why cant firefly be the same

[lavish apex]

what is that title card lmao

[light swan]

join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us join us

[wary raptor]

Hmph! Everybody calls me a t-tsundere… I’m not any of those things. They just never got to take the time to know me…

[opaque sigil]

not concerning whatsoever

[heady tinsel]

does Beast Crest Fury's block/parry-pierce even work on Phantom and Lace?

[near mirage]

where is brightvein

[heady tinsel]

Mt Fay

it's up from the room right of the lake in the center

[near mirage]

what

[fossil socket]

Trust us

[mental arch]

i think u should join them

[hardy tangle]

why does lemm mog scrounge in every way

[lean yoke]

Gosh the difference between my combat and platforming skill need to be studied

I fight like a fucking NPC holy 😭

[plain tundra]

Flintslate is annoying because I like big damage go brr but I also like having a challenge

[hardy tangle]

i used no tools on my 2nd playthrough

except tacks on unravelled cus fuck that guy

[lean yoke]

I don't like tools, I keep accidentally throwing them instead of activating my skill, but then again why collect shards if I don't use them

[hardy tangle]

just dont equip them

eintein revelation

[fossil socket]

Must be playing on Mobile.....

[hardy tangle]

oh i thought it was on the switch 2

use it when godhome comes out in 2029

[plain tundra]

Maybe killing things 1.5x faster will let me play steel soul without dying

[fossil socket]

how do i get da shawman crest-

[tight viper]

Ruined chapel, right side

[fossil socket]

alrighty tysm

[spark anchor]

You need super soar to get it

Not like you can do much in act 3 without it anyways sooo

[hardy tangle]

super soar 🥀

[light swan]

nice cross stitches

[lean yoke]

Shut up 😭

[burnt pagoda]

i love how you get clawline in the lava area of underworks

a subtle way to remind players that there were these rings in deep docks too

[scarlet karma]

its time to get 100% on my second playthrough

yippee

[burnt pagoda]

nice

[cobalt pilot]

Mobile has never been better

[karmic rain]

I finally beat ||lace 2||

[plain tundra]

Is lace 2 existing even a spoiler

The journal flat out says you have to beat her twice

[scarlet karma]

no need for spoilers here

ur expected to beat the game w/ true ending here anyways

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/hJeEMlR0lCH.gif

[fiery rune]

After 3 days of several hours each I cleared Border Caves and all I got was an in-game memento.

[lean yoke]

Not even that bad smh ong fr

But actually tho it's not that bad if you turn down the opacity, what I don't understand is people who have the buttons at full opacity

Like what is wrong with you

[small karma]

sea of sorrow will be free right?

[lavish apex]

yes

[spark anchor]

You may have to return there for mister mushroom, though you can take the shortcut

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[zinc wharf]

Does anyone have any way to view hitboxes/hurtboxes in-game? I’ve noticed that using Scuttlebrace under Raging Conchfly’s horizontal dash is inconsistent - sometimes I avoided damage, sometimes I got hit. I want to know if it’s because the Raging Conchfly showed up too low, or if Hornet’s hurtbox during Scuttlebrace changes height at some points.

[fiery rune]

Oh ok? I already met him there, may I have to go there again still?

[eager creek]

Debug mod has hitboxes

[spark anchor]

No

[fiery rune]

What purpose does mementos serve?

[spark anchor]

Collection

[fiery rune]

Can't lie, feels like a bit of a let down after that insane platforming part.

[hard junco]

My guy what're those controls 💔

I don't even have mine like that

[lean yoke]

I edited them?

Do you just have yours as the default 😭

[hard junco]

Yeah..

Currently in act 2

[zinc wharf]

I don’t play on PC, I can’t get mods.

[hard junco]

Y'all think team cherry will reduce the 2 masks damage from most stuff?

[rocky jolt]

i just realized rabbits are not human

[hard junco]

Holy shit

That's genius

[fiery rune]

No, the game is successful as it is. Maybe they'll add an easier mode.

[hard junco]

When you think about it, hollow knight had 2 masks damage in the beta but they changed it later

Maybe that's what will happen to silksong

[zinc wharf]

Honestly, I hope not. I like the added challenge 2 masks of damage brings, Silksong would feel hollow without it being so prevalent

[fiery rune]

Hard games sell. Some people need the challange.

[glacial estuary]

Eh the player base has enough skill at this point.

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/leeue1l6h0A.gif

[hard junco]

Do I just suck at silksong?

I think it's too much that normal enemies do 2 masks

[glacial kelp]

most don't

[hard junco]

Alot do

[glacial kelp]

hazaards dealing two is worse

[hard junco]

True, they changed it tho

[fiery rune]

There's two things you can do: Explore to boast your character and practice. You'll be amazed what yo're capable of.

[hard junco]

You're right, I am in act 2 with just 5 masks

Only one needle upgrade

[earnest drift]

hi

[fiery rune]

See, you need to upgrade your character. It requires some work / exploring.

[glacial estuary]

Yeah get those upgrades man.

[hard junco]

For the second needle upgrade I need some kind of oil in the citadel tho

[earnest drift]

what’s the chance that a dlc will have a bossfight with another weaver

[glacial estuary]

If you don't want to miserable on you first playthrough.

[hard junco]

99%

[earnest drift]

god I hope so

[glacial estuary]

Masks might help a lot.

[earnest drift]

I’m kind of disappointed that the two weavers we fight were against the other weavers and not involved in building the citadel

[hard junco]

How much does act one map have? Mask shards

[fiery rune]

Focus on masks and tools first. The needle upgrade can require some work depending on where you're at.

[earnest drift]

I want to fight the weaver that came up with the citadel in the first place

[hard junco]

Remind me, what re weavers?

[glacial estuary]

1 or 2 I think.

[hard junco]

Def 2, I have 2

[glacial estuary]

Ph wait I meant mask total

[earnest drift]

the uplifted pharlids that betrayed grand mother silk, locked her in a silk ball and designed the citadel to keep her asleep

[hard junco]

Wait what

[hard junco]

Oh didn't reach that yet

[lavish apex]

there are 6 mask shards accessible in act 1 normally

[fiery rune]

I think I went into act 3 with 8 masks

[hard junco]

Holy fuck I missed everything

[fiery rune]

...or 7.

(in total)

[lavish apex]

if you sequence break you can get i think 3 more

[hard junco]

Wdym sequence break

[lavish apex]

getting a movement upgrade far earlier than you're meant to be able to through very difficult means

[hard junco]

Like beast crest or smth?

Oh wait no

[rocky jolt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/s/DmB25Rkt8f yall have genuinely got to see this

[hard junco]

The concept of no life

[lavish apex]

i'm not even sure if it's possible to do that on current patch though

so basically the answer is just 6 shards

[hard junco]

Well, I should def go back and collect them

[sand dagger]

Hi guys I am working on a Silksong Figurine (beastling) that i sculpted myself and want to sell at cons. Would anyone be able to offer their advice and answer some questions about it so i can make any changes before i launch? My dms are open :>

[lavish apex]

none of them are particularly hard to find

well that's not true one is

[sweet tide]

Where should I go in silk song , I can't understand anything I still keep getting in the same area every time

[lavish apex]

i suggest asking this in #sk-help , spoilers are unrestricted in this channel

[buoyant urchin]

Is chef lagouli a man or a woman

I need to know the answer

[lavish apex]

unknown/neither

[buoyant urchin]

Wiki says female...

[lavish apex]

unspecified in english

which is the original language of the game

[brave geyser]

Where was the last area you went

[buoyant urchin]

So either a they or she

Kewl

[copper hedge]

huh... i didnt know Hunter can apply the damage buff to clawline too. thats so useful

[spark anchor]

It isn’t specified

Though they’re rather feminine

[rancid stag]

the server i'm in removed my brit tag

i can't be british

tbf though i am partly irish

[brave geyser]

What are we thinking

[spark anchor]

Put it in

[minor sparrow]

Wiki bases some of the genders off of the translations and translation notes of what TC gave to translators, some of them vary in their use of gender aswell

Usually they'll make a distinction between what the English and translations say

At least the last time I checked

[wary drum]

Wawa

[tight viper]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-squirrm-wa-wawawa-gif-12363644283161346223

[wary drum]

He is no gender. He is just BUTT

[azure mist]

Hollowite

[azure mist]

Ass Jim is gyatt.

[minor sparrow]

Wait I forgot about this meme

I love this thing

[tight viper]

this is good

[crisp heron]

but beast in your mouth

[minor sparrow]

It looks vaguely doughy to me and that makes me wanna eat it

[lavish apex]

it looks like parmesan

[quaint pilot]

this be crazy bro
I beat beastfly #2 on try 4, i swear i didn't know that memory crystal was actually decent
I just put it in on a whim

idk why I can't attach images, but ye
reaper crest with memory crystal, fractured mask, weighted belt, dice

[sharp slate]

eyo nice, the reason you cant attach images is you need 300 messages, spam prevention/scam prevention

[quaint pilot]

ah good lord
I see, makes sense XDDD

[drifting sandal]

I love dice

[quaint pilot]

was surprised bc this is the first time I've played silksong, or any metro fr, so after fearing the beastfly I went, "oh, wait, I killed it"

[quaint pilot]

it saved me from two lethal hits

[sharp slate]

memory crystal is so intresting to me, actually pretty solid compared to something like thorns in hollow knight

[drifting sandal]

tbh haven't bothered to use a lot of tools because they seem trash on the surface

[quaint pilot]

first time a tool killed a boss for me

[drifting sandal]

w

[brave geyser]

Atleast this doesn't eat up your i frames

[sharp slate]

num num num iframes thorns says

[quaint pilot]

XDDD

[brave geyser]

I died so many times on #1 (tbf i had bad controls) that the second i first tried #2 i was like "... Man y'all kinda suck"

(i died 80 times on #1 but we don't talk about that)

[quaint pilot]

XDDD
though I dunno how to count how many times i've died (mods, or does it tell you in the end?) i feel like I will die a lot more XD

[sharp slate]

savage beastfly can be absolutly brutal based on the gear you have as well tbh, it got me once, but it felts like a pretty hard fight for where i was at in the game

[quaint pilot]

hunter's march was pure pain

[sharp slate]

there is a death tracker mod i think, havent used it myself

[brave geyser]

This isn't cuphead the game doesn't straight up give you the cold harsh truth

[quaint pilot]

my save file corrupted after I did the gauntlet, so I had to do it twice
play the music = insta ptsd

[quaint pilot]

ah icic

[sharp slate]

tbh a death map mod would be pretty cool show where you died most on the map

[quaint pilot]

def

[brave geyser]

500 silk cocoons in high halls

[pallid plinth]

that one pilgrim sounds like a baddie

[brave geyser]

Pilby?

[quaint pilot]

groveller?

[brave geyser]

Scared pilgrim?

[sharp slate]

someone actually made a tool for a game called noita which shows you all your deaths on a map (for that games its really cool) if you have played noita gotta check death map out

[brave geyser]

Jubilana?

[brave geyser]

Pilby

[pallid plinth]

baddie

[quaint pilot]

ooh wah fly

[brave geyser]

Sacra sila

[pallid plinth]

at least the voice, it looks like a hershys kiss

[brave geyser]

Pilby looks adorable i like pilby

Would 100% run over them with my car tho

[quaint pilot]

😭

[sharp slate]

10/10 would roadkill again

[light swan]

i should main architect

[west holly]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-garama-guarana-gif-11792020015736795535

[sharp slate]

illusion no please no

[light swan]

professional silkshot and pimpillo user

[brave geyser]

Especially toolless it's so fun

[light swan]

did you see my red tools fight with karmelita ealrier

[brave geyser]

well architect is fine if you just don't use the pogo

[sharp slate]

erm no let me see

[brave geyser]

Genuienly

[light swan]

the pogo is the only reason why i use it

[west holly]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-shaw-gif-4033679694074628649

[brave geyser]

Vro

Well tbf i only did hitless halls with architect

[forest solstice]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY HK

[brave geyser]

I just remember it being so ass

[forest solstice]

Is It today

[sharp slate]

i love pimpillos carried my double/triple/quad enemy runs

[light swan]

also watch the NEAR hitless i just sent it has cool archipogo clips too

[brave geyser]

Also why was that kinda clean

[earnest drift]

driving on my tyrant
that’s wearing a skull
hey that pilgrim
is my target to cull

[light swan]

i fucking got hit ONCE

the thing is i timed the parry right but i sideslashed instead of upslashed

[void moat]

give me a silksong character to draw im itching for practice

[light swan]

uhh gurr

[void moat]

no lace

[earnest drift]

green prince

dammit

[sharp slate]

god i want to stitch my low jump clips together but im so lazy

[west holly]

Anyways yall yave any sk hot takes?

[void moat]

mm ill try

[sharp slate]

dps numbers dont matter when you are hitting a grand reed thats standing still

[brave geyser]

Truth nuke

[earnest drift]

do I ragebait for this

[light swan]

but theyre fun to talk about

[west holly]

I got 1 groal is not hard if u prep right

[light swan]

like... witch base moveset being faster than wanderer is kind of crazy work even if it doewsnt have any real world applications

[sharp slate]

fun to talk about, but whenever i bring up silk skill usage people keep saying its better just to swing your nail

[lavish apex]

sea of sorrow today fs

[earnest drift]

ok my normal hot take is act 3 fine writing wise and references hollow knight well

[light swan]

not hot but bilewater is the 2nd best thing team cherry has ever designed, and witch crest is the first

also first sinner should be fought with witch crest theres no other way to fight first sinner

[void moat]

pretty cold take but silksong isnt excellent like people say it is, it's just an okay game

[earnest drift]

my other (still correct) hot take is that lace is absolutely deserving of being the final boss and much more fitting than radiance was

[sharp slate]

im just gonna stitch together my clips till dash then call it good for tonight, piece by piece ill get the project done

[light swan]

also architects pogo is fucking amazing and on the top half of good pogos

[lavish apex]

second sentinel is a mid boss

[sharp slate]

i need to use architects more, i hate the pogo because i havent used it is the main thing

[light swan]

reminder that almost every archipogo here deals 2x damage 😋

[sharp slate]

i dont pogo too much in boss fights anyway tbh

[light swan]

yea pogos are generally not good

the only crest where you want to pogo is hunter and witch

even with beast and architect you only use them cuz you have to not cuz you want to

[earnest drift]

also snitch pick is an A tier tool

[light swan]

red tools are super fun when youre not mindlessly spamming them

[earnest drift]

does this mean pollip pouch is fun

[arctic epoch]

red tools are (also) super fun when you're mindlessly spamminh them

[light swan]

idk pollip pouch doesnt change your playstyle in any way so i dont see how it could be more or less fun

[sharp slate]

god im looking at my bell beast fight from beginning of my low jump challenge its so cursed

[void moat]

this drawing shit too hard im boutta blow someones head smoov off

[light swan]

is this gurr????

[void moat]

no

[brave geyser]

That's not green prince

[light swan]

holy fuck

[sharp slate]

i would agree to some extent but depends on the enemy

[earnest drift]

I’m going to try to be less ragebaity in the future (even though I don’t do it on purpose) so I’ll only overglaze silksong when someone criticises it in any way

[light swan]

yea but id also say red tools are dependent on the enemy

[sharp slate]

fair, wanderer pogo is insane on trobbio 1 and 2 for chaining it on tornado

[light swan]

wait you replied to something diferent

[tight viper]

I have plenty

Let’s see…

[light swan]

OOPS

[sharp slate]

yea to da pogos

[brave geyser]

Lace redemption arc is real

[sharp slate]

im slow in my old age

[light swan]

but yea i do kinda agree that theyre situational

but witch and hunter have the most use cases, are the least situational, and therefore the ones you actively want to be using the most i feel

hot take silksong is pretty good

[earnest drift]

does hornet deserve to die

[lavish apex]

i don't think wanderer pogo is very situational

[void moat]

in that rut of comparing myself to japanese artists who have probably practiced for 42 years to achieve their talent

[light swan]

generally on a high level, you dont want to be pogoing as youll be dealing damage faster from the side

[steep acorn]

hello fellows

[tight viper]

Lace 2 is better than LL, Unravelled and FotF are both S/A tier, Snitch Pick is S tier, Tacks are overrated as fuck, Moss Mother 1 is A tier, Whiteward is the best Citadel area, Wanderer pogo is bad… I’m missing some but yeah that’s a few hot takes of mine

[regal isle]

sea of sorrow tmrw trust

[light swan]

so generally if your pogo helps you get to the ground faster or has enough damage utility for it to actually want to be used, id say that makes it a bit better

[lavish apex]

i feel like lace 2 > lost lace isn't really a hot take

[mortal bluff]

Happy 9th birthday hollowknight!

[opal pelican]

ultrakill today

[steep acorn]

i hope they randomly add sea of sorrow with no trailer one day

[earnest drift]

I disagree with some of this but saying snitch pick is S tier makes the whole thing valid

[void moat]

gurr is really hard to draw lowk i might just draw the beastmaster instead

[opal pelican]

also hi chat

[shadow hill]

do you get any iframes at all during witch crest heal?

[tight viper]

They’re hot to lukewarm takes

Not in that order but in general

[light swan]

stuff like beast pogo has a different use case, being an approach option in a way as well as the iframes and the big hitbox being stuff that helps its niche

[earnest drift]

do you consider someone who has killed dozens of innocent people to be deserving of death

[shadow hill]

yes

[earnest drift]

do you think hornet is deserving of death

[light swan]

architect pogo somewhat falls into the movement category, but also deals 2x damage so i think its fair to say its on the top half

[steep acorn]

well they were haunted so it felt more like a mercy kill to me

[light swan]

hunter pogo with wavedash turnarounds turns it into both probably the best way to get back to theground, and also a good damage option since its a burst of 2 needle hits

[shadow hill]

which innocent people did she kill?

[earnest drift]

I’m talking about pre hollow knight

[earnest drift]

she killed travellers who wandered into Hallownest

[light swan]

and witch pogo makes up with damage due to dealing 2.25x damage

[tight viper]

Hornet deserves to die because she bullied sweet, brave Kratt

[earnest drift]

it was definitely at least a few kills because she’s been alive for decades, if not centuries

[shadow hill]

out of self defense

[light swan]

and on witch crest specifically, it becomes witch's best damaging option over rdac chains which is situational so its viable there

[lavish apex]

witch pogo does extra damage?

[steep acorn]

i'm killing hornet myself if she touches sherma

[earnest drift]

she did not attack Quirrel in self defence

[uneven harbor]

can we agree that pausing the game and leaving and going back right before ur about to die to get steel soul is the lamest shi

[lavish apex]

i thought it was just good because of how it works with circlet

[steep acorn]

likely spammer lmao

[light swan]

it forces sawtooth circlet into the enemy at all times and replenishes it, thats what i mean by the damage

[brave geyser]

Single player game. Who cares. Just don't brag about it later

[earnest drift]

I don’t know whether to count the vessels because they don’t exactly die, but hornet definitely has innocent blood on her hands

[tight viper]

2.25x + 1 damage

[light swan]

it gets more usage from circlet from above rather than the side unlike other crests

which makes witch pogo uniquely one of its best tools vs other crests where (i just explained this)

wanderer i feel like doesnt have any of these niches

[earnest drift]

does hornet deserve to be on the villains wiki

[mortal bluff]

To put it into perspective time wise, the distance from now to hollowknights release is about the same as the distance from hollowknight to left 4 dead’s release

[tight viper]

Wanderer doesn’t play with momentum at all and that’s boring and dumb, bad pogo do not use

[steep acorn]

well then the knight would be on there too

[light swan]

you dont get the nice attack speed from above, the pogo just means less time dealing the damage you want in most scenarios

of course this is still all situatoinal, for example trobbio tornado

but you still generally want to be by the enemies side which is why witch hunter beast and architect are on the top half of pogos

[earnest drift]

yeah probably but they’re not as bad as hornet

[vivid belfry]

Wanderer pogo is still decently fast because of the fact that it has no startup frames

[light swan]

architect pogo is still not necessarily a good pogo tho i just think its better than the others

[steep acorn]

the knight beat up zote

[light swan]

yea its still fast, its not a bad pogo by any means

[cobalt pilot]

Hi chat

[fossil socket]

hai

[cobalt pilot]

What would a good HK tattoo be of

[earnest drift]

imo hornet is a villain in hollow knight (who redeems herself), an anti hero in acts 1 and 2, and a hero in act 3

[light swan]

void emblem or smth similar

[tight viper]

Flukemarm

[cobalt pilot]

What is the void emblem

[grizzled sierra]

zote was only sparing the knight

[light swan]

isnt it in the hutners journal

[vivid belfry]

Hornet makes her heroic motivations clear from the first encounter in HK

[lavish apex]

hallownest seal

[earnest drift]

zote deserves to die actually

[steep acorn]

woah that sounds exactly like lace mindset

[brave geyser]

The void idol you get for doing all radiants

[light swan]

i might be dumn let me ceck

[tight viper]

But really, a good tattoo could be the King’s Brand

[cobalt pilot]

Fascinating

[vivid belfry]

She knows what vessels are and the danger they would pose if they managed to open the black egg and lose the final boss fight

[earnest drift]

zote is mentally unstable and if he ever gets hold of a real weapon he’ll hurt someone

[cobalt pilot]

PK suggestions are banned

[light swan]

yea idk where to check and idrc

[earnest drift]

zote needs to be put down

[tight viper]

Citadel symbol, then?

[light swan]

but you still want to be by the enemy's side unless your pogo has some specific niche

[steep acorn]

zote rhymes with goat for a reason

[cobalt pilot]

Pale being suggestions are banned

[neon geyser]

Void idol?

[earnest drift]

also zote never had a father or mother that betrayed him, he thinks he has them because he’s insane

[light swan]

YEA THAT

[cobalt pilot]

Actually citadel symbol ain't bad

Im just a little bit weird about it idk

[cobalt pilot]

Pretty

[earnest drift]

zote was never born he just popped into existence

[cobalt pilot]

Hmm I'd honestly probably just draw something myself and then have the tattoo artist do it

[light swan]

technically beast can do this too but hunter is snappier and deals more damage so i’d say it’s better in this case

[lavish apex]

are the mementos charms

[tight viper]

Maybe Hornet’s needle and Lace’s pin in a rock, like you see on the title screen?

[cobalt pilot]

It would probably be either hornet or Ghost or THK

[steep acorn]

zote would have gotten a true redemption ark if the third playable character was funded

[void moat]

no he wont

[earnest drift]

check pins

[cobalt pilot]

That's not lacenet

[light swan]

was that a shipping thing? i didnt see it as such

its just the title screen

[void moat]

he trips over himself every two seconds and hitting him blows him away like he's a leaf i the wind

[tight viper]

I’m referring to a title screen image, that’s completely different

[cobalt pilot]

Cute idea!

[earnest drift]

you’re not allowed to talk about hornet and lace interacting at all iirc

[cobalt pilot]

HUH

[light swan]

oh ok

[cobalt pilot]

When was that a rule 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[light swan]

its called HORCEEEEEEE

[brave geyser]

So we can't talk about hornet saving lace ok

[void moat]

no???

[tight viper]

No?

[earnest drift]

no because that’s weird

[slender juniper]

Theyre a ragebaiter

[earnest drift]

lace is a child

[tight viper]

My friend you might want to go look at the rule

[light swan]

grover come back

[brave geyser]

yea no that's not what it says

[cobalt pilot]

We can't talk about the two main characters interacting

[slender juniper]

Its in their name

[slender juniper]

Lace is not a child

[light swan]

erm isnt the other main character sharky

[tight viper]

You are silly goose, go read and stop being silly goose

[brave geyser]

It just says shipping lace with anyone

[cobalt pilot]

PLEASE not the lace age debate

[steep acorn]

pretty sure she just has the mind of a child that's like the whole point she actually isn't one

[brave geyser]

Not lace interacting with anyone

[cobalt pilot]

Anyway.

I might get second senti

[cursive torrent]

Where's the bingo

[earnest drift]

I should stop interacting with anyone

[light swan]

yay!

[brave geyser]

Ohhh that's a nice one

[slender juniper]

Yes,shes a thousand years old

[steep acorn]

wha

[light swan]

@earnest drift i think youre a cool person tho !

[tight viper]

Figured second senti was already on the table tbh

[cobalt pilot]

Actually I'd kind of like the three dreamer masks too

[tight viper]

What with the pfp and all

[brave geyser]

the three monomon masks,,,

[cursive torrent]

Wait what are we talking about

[slender juniper]

Would yall like me to start a crest debate instead?

[tight viper]

The best way to sneak Groal and the stilkin in to the Citadel

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/second-sentinel-ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-gif-14144986572548286793

[earnest drift]

thanks I think you’re cool too

[cursive torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1431801682152656906/caption.gif

[steep acorn]

it's sad there won't be another hollow knight game

[cobalt pilot]

Actually why was snail shaman and dryya on the poster lmao

[steep acorn]

i want my trilogy this is upsetting

[cobalt pilot]

I guess they were bigger characters in the early development phases of the story

[slender juniper]

They never said ts,they said the opposite

[light swan]

dryya is cool

zemer is my favorite tho

[tight viper]

Dryya used to have a much larger role

Different name/title too iirc

[cobalt pilot]

Oh what was it

[cursive torrent]

Dryya?

Am I the forgetter?

[steep acorn]

when all i've heard is it's the last of hollow knight

[tight viper]

Think she was initially the boss you’d fight to reach White Lady

[cobalt pilot]

I think TC decided to expand on the snail shaman lore later on instead of immediately I guess

[void moat]

dryya's name was white knight i think and she guarded the spirit's glade iirc

[cobalt pilot]

OH that makes sense

[slender juniper]

Never Has Been said

[light swan]

no lace is the white knight :(

[steep acorn]

one of the five knights

[tight viper]

That was always Revek I think

[earnest drift]

lace is a better white knight than dryya

[cursive torrent]

Oh right and she's just dead in front of white lady

[light swan]

i still want Hollow Knight: Lacelight where lace explores the serene kingdom that zemer was from, trains with the light of the everbloom, fights back against the void that once scarred her, and discovers the secrets of the ancient void civilization

[cursive torrent]

I rember

[cobalt pilot]

I should draw where I think the moths originally lived

[brave geyser]

Revek didn't defend shit in 1006

[cobalt pilot]

Lacelight is a beautiful name

[slender juniper]

Thatd be child abuse

[void moat]

hollow knight shoelace

[cursive torrent]

It would be kinda like, peak cinema if this happened

[cobalt pilot]

Weren't you just arguing that lace is an adult

[light swan]

hornet kills a grieving gay man and insults his taste in men, team cherry is willing to do anything

[steep acorn]

if there was a new hollow knight game i'd either want it to be with hornet again or a prequel

lace could be cool too though

[earnest drift]

what does hornet know about liking men

[tight viper]

It should have the Unravelled as the main character

[light swan]

as unlikely as this is, despite all the flaws that probably exist, it would still be crazy cool fanservice

[tight viper]

Hollow Knight: Haunted Threads

[light swan]

i cant belive your pfp is still that one scuffed pharguessr

[steep acorn]

he's so chunky though it would be awkward

[light swan]

that was hilarious

[cobalt pilot]

Can I admit something

[cursive torrent]

I genuinely forgot if your love is forced or not

[light swan]

that the green prince's taste is bad

[tight viper]

I can’t believe no one guessed the Unravelled but upside down still

[cobalt pilot]

A THK game would be amazing but I would rather play as a new character and imagine what THK's life turned out to be instead

Actually I'd still be overjoyed with a THK game actually

[light swan]

lacelightttt

[earnest drift]

what would happen in a thk game

[cursive torrent]

Its just hk

[cobalt pilot]

She never even MET him

[tight viper]

Some of it was forced, but not anymore

[light swan]

all the connections are already setup

[cobalt pilot]

Lol! Idk!

[wary storm]

fraud tomorrow

[earnest drift]

as a sequel it could be awkward because the knight is so big

[tight viper]

I genuinely love the Unravelled boss fight

[cobalt pilot]

That's also why I don't think it would happen

[tight viper]

I wish it had another attack, but it’s not bad at all, it’s very neat

[cursive torrent]

Crazy

[earnest drift]

as a prequel it could work? but where would the hollow knight even go? they can’t go to another kingdom without the pale king following them and rescuing them immediately

[light swan]

im not a character analyser but lace sleeps on white flowers, is already somewaht connected and traumatized by the void, and most importantly her character SOMEWHAT is about cutting free from the chains of gms and realizing that her own life is worth something

[earnest drift]

what do white flowers represent again

[light swan]

no idea but theyre lacelight everbloom foreshadowing now

[steep acorn]

flowers that are white

[light swan]

silksong was about lace becoming free, but now what?

find out in Hollow Knight: Lacelight!

[earnest drift]

if we do get a lace protagonist I do hope there’s a conflict between her and the void that was left in her from act 3

[light swan]

do you like my lacelight idea :3

[steep acorn]

lacelight dlcs bout to be legendary

[earnest drift]

yes I love it

[light swan]

yay!

[regal isle]

i wanna see act 4 of restoring pharloom

[light swan]

im not as deep into her character as other people are so im worried id butcher her or smth

[steep acorn]

i kinda wanna see the inbetween of the kingdoms more so like an act 0

[earnest drift]

where are the other lace fans I need to meet them

[light swan]

well box shades was one but theyre no longer here

the other is you ig idk the rest

the kingdom of serenity already has been setup as the origin of the everbloom

the everbloom that is opposing VOID!!!!! its perfect

[cobalt pilot]

True

[light swan]

also we dont need a haunting or infection cuz void already exists

[steep acorn]

lace one was pain but so was hornet one i guess

[cobalt pilot]

Wonder if it would have anything to do with city of steel

[earnest drift]

Everbloom and void being important three times in a row is cool

[cobalt pilot]

Cus Sharpe looks to be made of void

[light swan]

i feel like city of steel people are everywhere no matter what

[steep acorn]

i gave hornet a pass because of how nonchalant she is

[earnest drift]

ehh I wouldn’t want to have that a third time

[cobalt pilot]

And there's the whole thing with the vassal NPC summoning it

[light swan]

i dont either but incase tc wants to do the trope again

[cobalt pilot]

But that would imply that like

[steep acorn]

who is sharpe i never see him in the game once

[cobalt pilot]

Hm

[earnest drift]

I’d prefer the third game to be fighting enemies who are willingly working under a dictatorship

[light swan]

i imagine it to be half a kingdom in light and half a kingdom in darkness

[earnest drift]

so it’s okay to kill them

[somber ledge]

I regret not fighting the forgebrothers before act 3

[cobalt pilot]

Why is that, Peeman?

[earnest drift]

he’ll appear… eventually

[light swan]

also this sets up the void civilization! it sucks we got nothing much from weavenest absolom

[somber ledge]

I read the wiki and it said that some enemies it spawns can be voided 🙁

[earnest drift]

would the void civilisation have been the ancestors of the snail shamans

[light swan]

just push them into the lava walls

[steep acorn]

i really wanna see surface kingdoms so like you could see giant abandoned buildings from bigger more intelligent beings in the backround

[light swan]

no idea, we hardly know anything about them

[cobalt pilot]

Possible but idk

[somber ledge]

I wish there was a bench closer to the fight.

[light swan]

just that theyre the ones who made all the architecture in the abyss

[earnest drift]

human civilisation?

[cobalt pilot]

Snails are the only fossils we see in the void areas, which stands out to me

[light swan]

are you using the deep docks bench and did you open the shortcut

[cobalt pilot]

But the ancient void bugs don't look like snails so uh

[light swan]

cuz you can like, just fall straight down into the fight theres hardly a runack

[steep acorn]

not exactly because hollow knight clearly takes place in a different universe

[cobalt pilot]

I don't want humans to be canon to HK tbh

[regal isle]

humans dont rly exist in the hk universe

[cobalt pilot]

I want my bugs and jellyfish and invertebrates and plants and mushrooms and nothing else

[steep acorn]

but somehow sewing needles ended up being made as weapons by bugs and nails too which wouldn't make sense without humans

[somber ledge]

I doubt that Ihave opened a shortcut

[regal isle]

intelligent bugs bro

[earnest drift]

if they were to be canon, they’d have to look like giant eldritch entities, stylised to look like Cthulhu or godzilla

[cobalt pilot]

Or that's just how they did stuff

[light swan]

i think a surface civilization that isnt humans would be cool exactly like this yea

[cobalt pilot]

They developed it in a unique way unique to them

[light swan]

titans from aot

[cobalt pilot]

Definitely but I'd still be disappointed

Takes me out of the games honestly

Because then we have something to compare the bugs with and also I don't really want mammals

[earnest drift]

even if they just look like giant monsterous humanoids who don’t do anything recognisable as humans

[light swan]

id have imagined massive towering creatures like that (not humans) to be even more immersive

[steep acorn]

but why needles and nails and pins it's all stuff humans use for different stuff it just seems a little weird to use as a weapon idk

[cobalt pilot]

I think it just isn't as creative

[steep acorn]

it's probably just a design thing

[light swan]

i dont want humans but i want massive creatures at the surface

[toxic vigil]

Shaw

[cobalt pilot]

I don't want anything that's not bug or plant/mushroom adjacent

[earnest drift]

that’s true we don’t have any mammals in the hk verse

[steep acorn]

i want to climb a giant corpse on the surface

[cobalt pilot]

I mean you can see skeletons with ribs

[cobalt pilot]

That's very interesting to me but I prefer to think that they just died out

[steep acorn]

that sounded weird

[earnest drift]

some of the mites act like mice

[earnest drift]

we got coral and jellyfish though

[light swan]

moths have fur theyre mammals

[cobalt pilot]

They didn't evolve to be anything and the bugs got bugs

[cobalt pilot]

I like those

I don't like humans in hollow knight

[light swan]

LOL yu MAMA

[toxic vigil]

And craws ( technically bug )

[earnest drift]

the craws are bugs but they’re so similar to birds that they might as well be

[cobalt pilot]

That would be peak

[somber ledge]

voided enemies are daunting.

[steep acorn]

one of the things that makes hollow knight cool is it doesn't make sense if you think about it

[cobalt pilot]

I mean you can see the humongous fossils on the surface of HK

[light swan]

where the fuck are the bellways ????

[wary thicket]

Im excited for the City of Steel

[cobalt pilot]

Or that just gives you room to come up with your own explanations

[toxic vigil]

Zoteboat: City of Steel Dlc

[wary thicket]

The higher being imprisoners and highly dangerous steel robots

[wary thicket]

Fr

[earnest drift]

to be clear, if humans get added to Hk, they will NEVER be referred to as humans and they won’t look like humans
they’ll be incomprehensibly intelligent and massive beings

[cobalt pilot]

Where did we get the higher being prisoner notion /gen

[wary thicket]

I dont think humans are canon in hk

[wary thicket]

Idk

[steep acorn]

yeah i also just don't think humans would look natural with the artstyle

[earnest drift]

it could be implied that they’re to bugs as to what we are to real life bugs with the difference in technology and lifespan, but they’ll never get called humans

[wary thicket]

Prob that they had a weaver of sorts, are aware of pale beings i think or something

[earnest drift]

they’d be called
the incomprehensible race or smth

because the bugs have no idea what they’re looking at

[light swan]

why did the bell beast just decide to ferry hornet to specific locations after trying to kill eachother?
how does the bell beast know where to bring hornet? they never talk!
how the fuck do the bell babies move so fast and how do they burrow into steel citadel ground and somehow pull hornet in??
why do we only see one bell family? this is VERY concerning!!
where do the bells come from? does something shit them out? did the citadel make them? how and why ??? when ??????? what ???????
whos the father?

[wary thicket]

I checked and apparently it comes from a fan theory that steel beings do that

Sounds rad af tho

[steep acorn]

i miss silksong first coming out already

i got to experience it unlike hollow knight

[cobalt pilot]

Read a theory that the belways were originally for weavers in some way

[light swan]

how does seth teleport? is that something his species can do?

oh wait i know the answer, its cuz hes from shakras tribe and they mastered the power of teleportation

[cobalt pilot]

I forgot exactly what it was

[cobalt pilot]

I think he's just really fast

[cobalt pilot]

It very much does I was just curious

[cerulean sable]

Gms reference...

[steep acorn]

yeah like shakra

[copper hedge]

hi guys. i think i can do broodmother now. Silkshot is doing the heavy lifting here (as well as the multibinder and injector band)

[toxic vigil]

Which silkshot

[cobalt pilot]

I guess GMS is the closest TC has gotten to just putting a human woman in the game but she's not human so it's cool

[copper hedge]

weaver

[wary thicket]

Canonically the bellbeast fight is you petting her till she calms down. In the menu when she selects the location its implied bellbeast knows.
Babies just built different ig

[toxic vigil]

Nice.

[light swan]

why is it implied

[copper hedge]

tasty damage numbers mmmmmmmm

[cobalt pilot]

And also she doesn't really look THAT human

[light swan]

how many living characters you know use round golden projectiles and create cool golden shockwaves and teleport and mysteriously are really damn good at fighting (except elder hu but hes lorewise a master)?
3?
what do they all have in common?
theyre from the same tribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[toxic vigil]

The menu is bellbeast's so i guess hornet just knows how to yell

[steep acorn]

i like to imagine the radiance can just be squished by some incomprehensible being on the surface

[toxic vigil]

She is a dream being

[light swan]

OH YEA HOW DOES THE BELL BEAST just magically hear hornet every time she calls eira?

[copper hedge]

does that mean we can destroy her with dreams too?

[fossil socket]

idk

[light swan]

also how come we can never go down the bellways hole?

[regal isle]

shes in the dream realm tho, id dont think itd get squished easily

[steep acorn]

dream squish

[regal isle]

act 3?

[toxic vigil]

Suprised this chat is not crest / tool slop

[toxic vigil]

We do?

[light swan]

only once

for plot conveniece

which is LAMEEE

[wary thicket]

Cuz i said so

[wary thicket]

Lol fr

[light swan]

team cherry sucks, all of this breaks my immersion and i cant play anymore

[copper hedge]

radiance watching in horror as my mind brings in the forbidden chest of horrors beyond comprehension in a nightmare

[light swan]

ok heres a question

does karmelita have two different vocal cords and mouths?

[wary thicket]

Literally unplayable

[toxic vigil]

Radiance vs me dreaming about anti bug spray

[wary thicket]

She beats you up eyes closed while singing her heart out

[copper hedge]

Radiance vs YT brainrot and YTP

(she's taped to a dream table)

[steep acorn]

is the haunting basically just rabes

[toxic vigil]

Hydraulic press vs cool moth i found

[light swan]

when karmelita staggers the background music stops the singing
there is NO REASON for this to happen unless shes singing

but karmelita also grunts and has battle cries and voicelines at the same time
which means she isnt the one singing and thats not diegetic music

but these two points contradict eachother... so karmelita must have two mouths

[wary thicket]

She has a pharynx like all anthropomorphic ants do

[toxic vigil]

how strong is natural silk from the wild vs factory silk?

[copper hedge]

79k views, 12 hours ago

2:30 video length

[earnest drift]

maybe she can vibrate each half of her vocal chords separately

[toxic vigil]

Daily moment to say i fucking hate shaman crest

[steep acorn]

if you lived in the hollow knight universe all you would see if a wasteland it's sad

[copper hedge]

did u bind while in midair

[earnest drift]

conductor ballador just ENDED his career…

[light swan]

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a skarrwing should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The skarrwing, of course, flies anyways. Because skarrwings don't care what humans think is impossible.

oh my fucking god another inconsistency

[earnest drift]

this reminds me btw
bumblebees got scientifically proven to be able to fly again, didn’t they

[steep acorn]

7 years btw

[light swan]

do the skarrwing wings have lineart or not ????

[copper hedge]

this also applies to the bloatroach. hornet's notes is similar to this

[light swan]

the thickness to their wings matters to my immersion and the lineart matters to the percieved thickness

also why is it's hands at its neck ??? thats so fucking flawed

[steep acorn]

let skarrwing be

[light swan]

it doesnt even have a neck yet thats where it's arms are

[copper hedge]

let skarrwing be

[primal hill]

they sprout from the head

[steep acorn]

it flys that's all that matters

[copper hedge]

and can bite

[steep acorn]

just a little ant baby

[copper hedge]

wrapped version even looks like one

[light swan]

always my goat no matter what ❤️

[copper hedge]

it needs to be held

[steep acorn]

i hate these guys

[light swan]

theyre so fun

[steep acorn]

i prefer the smaller ones with no mask

[regal isle]

actually good enemy

decently tanky, agile and drops a good amt of rosaries

[light swan]

bloatroaches are the best enemy in the game

with the sole exception of the SKARR STALKER of course

[copper hedge]

skarrguards always make me double check on which is their actual face bc their bone mask makes them look goofy

[steep acorn]

short stupid craw is my lamb

(not goat)

those dumb fat craws that thow pins like they're skilled or something

[light swan]

lamest af mall bime

[copper hedge]

mall bime?

[light swan]

all time but with mb like in lamb

dont get me started on the implications of htis

nevermind i love void masses

[copper hedge]

void masses are very interesting

theyre one of the enemies that can affect other enemies in a room

they ensure all enemies in a room theyre in is voided

[regal isle]

thats a detail i really liked ngl

removing a voidmass is like subtly clearing pharloom of the void mess

[light swan]

i like how gruesome they are

[bright rapids]

It needs to be squished, I need my rosaries

[copper hedge]

body horror 🥰

[copper hedge]

...

skarrwings dont have rosaries

[bright rapids]

I need my silk

[copper hedge]

to song?

[autumn saffron]

did the silksanity ever really end

[bright rapids]

And my thirst for blood to be quenched

[copper hedge]

haha look at them bundled up those annoying flying creatures

oh wait they shoot void stuff now

[old raft]

how tf you found that

[copper hedge]

void masses are easy to find. just let it do void things when near

[light swan]

the wiki!

[old raft]

bruh thats in the fucking celling of bone bottom

[copper hedge]

*Weavenest Atla

[light swan]

this one looks painful

[old raft]

oh thats not as bad

[light swan]

i feel like all the petals are crushed in this one and it hurts

[copper hedge]

do they scream

[cobalt pilot]

Cnidaria

[light swan]

all the intricate metal parts and wings are crushed in this one and it hurts

[cobalt pilot]

I like my arthropods and bugs and Cnidaria and mollusks

[light swan]

tbf thatd be cool but i think all the life has been sucked out because the silkflies arent in the cogwork core ones anymore

[copper hedge]

man...

[light swan]

i want to hear these ones SCREAM in agony as theyre held up above the spikes

those ones look the most deformed

[copper hedge]

rain world had rotting creatures screaming in pain. why not the void masses 😔

[light swan]

they look like ants or bugs that you snap in half

especially this one

these guys look the most chill because my goat the SKARR STALKER could never lose aura

average friday movie night

[copper hedge]

its quite interesting that skarrs turn black when voided

some dont. its just a dark filter

[steep acorn]

i hate skarrs in general

[light swan]

lots of things turn black its cool

[copper hedge]

this means black ants are voided skarrs

[light swan]

ooh these are crunchy

[copper hedge]

splintered

[light swan]

its like biting into 4 chips at once

[copper hedge]

but with no fish

[steep acorn]

the only enemy i refuse to kill in hollow knight is the moss babys

[light swan]

:)

[steep acorn]

moss creeps specifically

also hornet canonically loves fluffy things which i can appreciate

[primal hill]

is void inherinetly evil or something

controling the void is the shade king right

so what is the shade kings goal

[copper hedge]

yee

[orchid locust]

@light swan i beat rucible

[void moat]

shade lord is tk

[primal hill]

ok

[void moat]

so whatever tk wants

[primal hill]

ok so that is..

[light swan]

GGS now do it hitless

[void moat]

the knight

[copper hedge]

man i love weaver silkshot

[light swan]

time to watch all 7 minutes

[void moat]

protagonist from the first game

[primal hill]

bruh

i mean what is the knight want

[copper hedge]

hornet should have a weaver minigun

[light swan]

wheres the music i wanna listen to Where You Come To Die

[void moat]

well after the events of hollow knight they probably just travel around the void seas

[light swan]

the ambience in this place is niceee

[urban gate]

hornetfan1

[primal hill]

doing...

[copper hedge]

shawwing

[void moat]

🤷

[light swan]

you do things differently than me damn

[void moat]

bobbittwyrm / #1 karak discusser

[light swan]

rucible really is just do wtf you want

[woven rover]

bro i just lost a steelsoul run to lace 2 😥

[orchid locust]

yeah i found it way easier to just jump over the blades rather than hairpin

[light swan]

how do you go around the blades thats crazy

[woven rover]

ts was the most progress ive ever gotten on a steelsoul run btw

[light swan]

bro had to pause to lock in

[woven rover]

am i just bad at silksong?

[void moat]

nah lace is a pretty respectable boss to fail steel soul on

[light swan]

last hp and you made it oph yea baby

[compact hamlet]

Just helping their big sister :)

[light swan]

also is it that you know how to stroost but you just dont for consistency or do you not know what stroosting is

[orchid locust]

what's stroosting 💀

[woven rover]

ive also failed like 3 seperate runs to widow

[light swan]

dodge while strider

[orchid locust]

oh i didn't know you could do that

[light swan]

yea i was wondering why you were just climbing normally and walking normally

its the dash of this game

[orchid locust]

interesting

anyway the second half has a lot of deaths cause that was like my 3rd time getting that far 😭

[light swan]

yea thats fair lol

i love rucible:3

[light swan]

the one with the 2 blades where you need to aline the walls is SO annoying

[orchid locust]

yeah

[light swan]

i hated it in my shairpin only one

i had to pogo through the center

[orchid locust]

it's funny to me that you can just glide or fall normally through the crystal in the middle 😭

[light swan]

yea i never did that cuz im a bum

oh man im so sad you only found out about stroosting now when youre almost done with the game

[orchid locust]

💔

i'll do it in lucible

[light swan]

yes please lucible would be very fun with stroosts

lucibles my personal favorite oat but youll probably like rucible more

most people tend to like rucible more

[round pebble]

Widow is a nice bossfight

[raven lava]

Lowk I wonder who would win GMS or The Radiance

[light swan]

radiance

[bright rapids]

Radiance

Gms would win 1/1,000,000 fights

[light swan]

especially in the state theyre in by their fight in their respective games

[earnest drift]

radiance is stronger but the gap isn't that massive

gms would win maybe 1 time out of 10

[light swan]

i feel like the power to control a refined version of soul is probably weaker than the power to control essence

[sharp slate]

curious about both in their primes, current state in both games def radiance

[earnest drift]

actually how does it work

[somber ledge]

I beat the forebrothers 🙂

[light swan]

in their primes id still probably guess radiance

[earnest drift]

if person A is 9 times stronger than person B, does person B win 1 time out of 10

[lavish apex]

gms is probably more durable since she can seemingly only be killed through absorption

[light swan]

no basis for it but i think essence probably beats out soul

[light swan]

no the person B just never wins

[toxic vigil]

Hi

[light swan]

unless theres an outside interruption, or theyre no longer at their prime

such as person A getting tired

[bright rapids]

The radiance can only be restrained through absorption, not even killed

[earnest drift]

ok so if person A is 1.1 times stronger than person B, does person B ever win

[lavish apex]

no radiance very much dies to the void

[bright rapids]

I mean in a vessel

[lavish apex]

gms can block it for an indeterminate amount of time

[light swan]

in a vacuum nah

[earnest drift]

radiance and gms both die to void, but it should be noted that radiance died to two very powerful gods of focused void while gms held off unfocused, raw void for an extremely long time

[lavish apex]

gms only dies bc she gives hornet the rest of her power so she can save lace

[sharp slate]

shes dead either way

[earnest drift]

if radiance was thrown into the abyss the same way gms was, how long would she survive

[sharp slate]

you can see her weakening in the LL fight, hence void flooding in phase 3

[round pebble]

Im trying to best widow without red tools

[sharp slate]

im curious how she would defend herself tbh, might be that she cant defend herself as long due to her nature

[cobalt pilot]

I think the void would have eventually done her in

[sharp slate]

it would have to be like shear will, i guess maybe its like light pushing back the void for radiance maybe

[lavish apex]

presumably but like she's at least able to last a long time

[sharp slate]

would be a cool ass scene

[cobalt pilot]

Wonder what it was like in THK's mind

[light swan]

ok heres a question, what physical powers does essence actually have

[sharp slate]

dream nail is the closest thing we see right? obviously we see dream warriors fight knight physcially as well

[light swan]

only essence being who fights with essence is radiance, and idk only thing that sounds like essence are the sun beams and stuff

[earnest drift]

essence is radiance's thing right

[round pebble]

DOES SNYONE EVEN NOTICE ME IN #sk-discussion

[light swan]

yea she controls dreams/essence

[earnest drift]

so essence somehow causes infection

which causes explosions and poison gas

[light swan]

i think radiance's tinkering with dreams causes infection not essence itself

[round pebble]

Hello?

[light swan]

hi no one is talking to you cuz youre not providing anything meaningful to the conversation

[round pebble]

Oh no.... I thinks its the age check update

[sharp slate]

essensse seems to not have physical power in itself but forming physical stuff based on memoeries like xeros and markoths weopans for example

[round pebble]

Oh

[light swan]

yea

[lavish apex]

it can enable teleportation?

[somber ledge]

I JUST RODE THE DIVING BELL. ||IS THIS THE ABYSS? LIKE THE ACTUAL ABYSS LIKE IN HOLLOW KNIGHT??|| Spoiler marking because this is so cool I don't even want to ruin it for anyone else. It's so cool how the worlds are connected

[bright rapids]

This is for #hk-general and not relating to the current convo

[sharp slate]

there is the dream shield as well, i dont remeber what dream shield says though charm wise

[sharp slate]

they can say it here its fine, its just no one is guarenteed to respond

[light swan]

idk i feel like a lot of these are outside weapons/sources that are kinda powered by essence

[void moat]

youll see

[light swan]

i can understand the sunbeams and sunballs being essence

[bright rapids]

Ik they can, I'm just saying they'd get more conversation in general

[sharp slate]

fair

[light swan]

dreamshield sounds like a shield but with esence around it making it stronger or more durable

[somber ledge]

It even has the enemies and it's EYES AREN'T ORANGE. I am so amazed rn

[bright rapids]

Yes it is

[light swan]

i guess those are things essence is capable of doing tho

[sharp slate]

yea, and i guess the physical aspect comes from charm itself not really the essence

[light swan]

yea

soul and silk would be more physically capable

not that gms does shit with it (which is why i want an eva boss)

[earnest drift]

according to the description i don't think it's really powered by essence or dreams

[sharp slate]

I just have this mental picture of light pushing back void in the abyss which would be really cool

[earnest drift]

it's just themed around them

[light swan]

well it gets buffed with dreamwielder so i think theyre related somehow

[sharp slate]

yea, weird, inspired based on essense but not made of it

[bright rapids]

Just the little + shape is the physical part, how else does it go from being so big to so small after hitting something? It uses jts energy to damage them

[earnest drift]

also is there a reason lost lace didn't attack grand mother silk herself

[bright rapids]

She's afflicted and corrupted by void

[light swan]

but we see soul spells in hk, and silk is soul refined into thin powerful strands + silk skills are strong

[earnest drift]

but isn't the void trying to kill her too
so why wouldn't it control lace to do it

[bright rapids]

After you beat her she's unconscious

[light swan]

someone of gms's caliber in her prime could maybe rival radiance which is less physical

[bright rapids]

You're a more immediate threat

[earnest drift]

but why didn't the void do it before hornet appeared

[bright rapids]

Idk, they're busy killing the radiance's cousin

[light swan]

what

[light swan]

this is cool to think about

gms unraveling herself to create a howling wraiths with an exponential amount of power

[earnest drift]

ok hang on

when people talk about lost grand mother silk

does that make sense canonically

[light swan]

soul is also like life force while essence is memories

[light swan]

uhh she’s all voided up in the end

[earnest drift]

because enemies only become lost because of gms's silk in them combined with void

lace becomes lost because she's made of gms's silk

gms is the goddess of silk but she doesn't have silk in her

so can she even become lost herself

[light swan]

is water wet conversation

i’d say yes

she IS silk in my eyes even if that’s wrong somehow

not just a character who controls silk but the first embodiment/manifestation of silk

[earnest drift]

would you rather fight lost grand mother silk or absolute grand mother silk

[light swan]

absolute grand mother silk

[earnest drift]

whichever it is that ends up happening i hope she deals triple damage with every attack

[light swan]

i hope it becomes a good bg boss thats not random bs go

[lavish apex]

i'd be shocked if there isn't a dlc boss that does 3 masks with all attacks

[light swan]

not saying that radiance is bad but i want a background boss that attacks you physically

[copper hedge]

if Radiance : Fanta,
then GMS : ?

[light swan]

like fourth chorus or gms’s swipe

[bright rapids]

That'd just be 6 masks by silksong standards

[light swan]

yes exactly!

i’ll be doing it hitless so idc

[earnest drift]

does radiance’s face beams and face swords not count

[copper hedge]

how about the orbs

[lavish apex]

radiance doesn't really have any melee implements

[bright rapids]

Or floor spikeds

[earnest drift]

do the orbs depend on radiance’s position

[bright rapids]

And walls of lasers

[copper hedge]

tbf radiance has dream powers

radiant dream powers

smh should have used 4th dimensional warping bc its a dream realm

[round pebble]

Can we all agree that widow phase 2 is dogshit

[copper hedge]

what

[earnest drift]

which is more impressive, the knight beating the radiance while in her dream realm or hornet beating lost lace while in the void itself

[earnest drift]

no it’s still peak

[lavish apex]

widow phase 2 is great

[copper hedge]

pros of being a pale child ig

[bright rapids]

Lace took me 45 more minutes than radiance

But I'd say lace from a lore standpoint too

[earnest drift]

imagining how much more trouble hornet would have if gms wasn’t keeping out most of the void from the cocoon

[solar jay]

its so good its better

[copper hedge]

why do i keep forgetting that Terminus is literally where the Cradle is. i keep picking First Shrine 😭

[light swan]

i low-key forgot about those

i would say yes but yea im still saying yes

but she doenst have a custom animation for it so idk

still just floating there and attacks form on their own

[somber ledge]

Holy vertical movement.

[round pebble]

ITS DOGSHIT

[earnest drift]

beat her and you'll change your mind

[gloomy current]

he who laughs last, laughs at the end

[earnest drift]

what else could last mean

[candid kayak]

"how long will he last"

it could be that meaning

[round pebble]

Fuck widow

[copper hedge]

ACT 3 HERE WE GO

[earnest drift]

common lace W

[candid kayak]

widow is an excellent fight

[round pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-widow-hornet-bonk-arito-gif-13643966964603239778

[candid kayak]

you're just bad at it

[earnest drift]

rare lace W actually this is the only time she does anything remotely good

[round pebble]

SYBAU

[candid kayak]

true

[copper hedge]

btw u can deflect bells in widow fight

[round pebble]

AM NIY

[candid kayak]

spoken like a true skill issue

[round pebble]

I KNOW AND SYBAU

[earnest drift]

and it still plunges pharloom into void

[round pebble]

IT NOT A SKILL ISSUE

[copper hedge]

u can use silk spear to hit her when she's away

[candid kayak]

did you know the bells are clearly telegraphed ahead of time?

[round pebble]

I KNOW AND SYBAU

[candid kayak]

avoid standing in the telegraph lines

[earnest drift]

widow is badass for managing to fight so well with her silk crippled

[candid kayak]

true

[copper hedge]

and always learn a boss' movesets, possible attack windows, and cheesing strats (if u want to)

and learn to dodge immediately

[round pebble]

IVE LEARNT HER MOVESETS

[copper hedge]

👍

[candid kayak]

also learn how to project a 45 degree line in your mind

[earnest drift]

did you know you can cheese widow by dodging the attacks and reducing her hp by hitting her

[copper hedge]

skong fans when trigonometry

[candid kayak]

not even close

it's just sight

[copper hedge]

tbf its telegraphed

[candid kayak]

and uh, don't stand in front of her when she's gonna do the slashing attack

[candid kayak]

there's the bounce for the diagonal ones

I mean basically just stand next to where they bounce off the ground

[copper hedge]

u can also deflect those by hitting it btw

[candid kayak]

rather than going away from them mindlessly

[copper hedge]

^

[candid kayak]

and potentially "dodging" into where they'll hit the ground after the bounce

it's like primal aspids, but even easier

a noob/coward trap

[copper hedge]

but the top one thing u need to remember: dodge, and bind when needed (recommended if at 2-4 masks left)

[candid kayak]

move as much as you need to dodge the attack

[copper hedge]

NEVER WHEN ON ONE MASK LEFT

[candid kayak]

don't just move

take a step to the side, but don't try to run away

then the primal aspid hits you with one of the side projectiles

or rather, you walk right into the side projectiles

[copper hedge]

nice i got the steelsoul bg

[candid kayak]

nice

[copper hedge]

Steelsoul save, and my practice save :)