sk-discussion

[cunning geode]

femtanyl, supertramp, death grips? makes more sense to me than maybe it should

[light swan]

dont use ground healing assist and just fuck it

[opaque sigil]

but both crucibles are peak

[graceful oyster]

Get hit less?

[light swan]

thats how you get the most fun

[slender juniper]

No

[graceful oyster]

It's the hardest platforming in the game, it's gonna be hard

[light swan]

yea im like one of the few that like lucible more than rucible

[slender juniper]

Its just annoying to wait 15 secs every attempt and then restart it over again cuz I died

[light swan]

but i also recently found out no one does donuts around rucible so i think i just did it differently

[light swan]

how do you die with ground healing

[graceful oyster]

I do donuts!

[orchid locust]

my playlist is funny to me cause it’s genuinely jarring when it goes from dire straits to femtanyl 😭

[slender juniper]

ADHD I forgor to heal

[light swan]

so are you waiting or are you not 😭

[slender juniper]

Most of the time yes

[graceful oyster]

Is that your best mystical wizard mountain photo? I have some killer mystical wizard mountain photos

[opaque sigil]

waiting for the gratitude healing can be a little bit annoying on left crucible since you have to then also wait for the pump to reset

[graceful oyster]

It is

[light swan]

no you can just fuck it and go you can still make it

[timid sail]

Out of all areas the one I enjoyed the least was lower Deep Rocks with those fucking annoying flying things

[slender juniper]

This!

[graceful oyster]

But it's a small price to pay for not doing it again

[rocky jolt]

they should build another costco above sands of karak

[graceful oyster]

When you die

[opaque sigil]

you can for at least one part idk if it's true of all of them

[light swan]

i think the ultimate experience is to do it without gratitude

[slender juniper]

No.

[light swan]

nah its true for all of them im p sure cuz i used gratitude my first time around

i think what mio needs is longer segments each

but a nacre basin at each one

[daring basin]

y e s

[slender juniper]

I like the platforming but Celeste didnt make you restart the whole level when you messed up

[opaque sigil]

I like when it has long platforming sequences but has shortcuts you can open partway through

[light swan]

so like instead of having 3 different pump sections, combine them all and pop a nacre basin everywhere

[cunning geode]

i’ve touched up my playlist a little but i rarely listen to things shuffled around

[light swan]

path of pain did

[slender juniper]

I never did that fortunetly

[jade coyote]

Hollow knight silksong

[cunning geode]

where

[opaque sigil]

I definitely had a moment that almost made me give up on a platforming thing in mio though

[daring basin]

what is silksong we here play nilknong

[void moat]

poppy playtime chapter 5 is lowkey so ass

[opaque sigil]

then like 20 minutes later I just went back and did it, it was optional too

[light swan]

for me it was doing rucible with only shairpin no normal hairpin

[light swan]

but i decided to just fuck it and pop on gratitude and just cut it out later

[graceful oyster]

Mystical wizard mountain photos

[opaque sigil]

I was using gratitude here too this sequence just sometimes damages you without hazard respawns

[light swan]

OH MY GOD WHEN I SAW THIS I DIDNT REALIZE YOU DIED AT HTE END

i thought you had attack airstaled or something and clicked off

[slender juniper]

Why

Its the best chapter in years

[orchid locust]

i’d say these are my most mystical wizardrous photos

[cunning geode]

very cool

[graceful oyster]

Address me

[void moat]

puzzleslop, terrible gameplay, shit writing, etc

[fiery rune]

Man, the border caves platforming cramps up my hand

[graceful oyster]

Those are gorgeous and mystical yes

[daring basin]

the fourth is the most magical

[orchid locust]

speaking of can i have another album rec ⁉️

[earnest drift]

the entire game is ass lmao

[void moat]

the pink regeneration goo and unnecessary tree stuff was so out of nowhere and so annoying aswell

[earnest drift]

every character is a constantly smiling toy

[void moat]

chapter 3 was really good

[true herald]

I saved those two

Lol

[earnest drift]

bro's defending mascot horrorslop

[light swan]

i think i quit at ceasure mounters actually

but then like, weeks later i put on enhanced dodge and it worked

[earnest drift]

the story is off the rails wtf is even going on

gameplay sucks

characters design is so uncreative

[daring basin]

lace wtf did you do to the orphans

[void moat]

still peaked at chapter 3 imo

[earnest drift]

said peak is still 6 feet under

[graceful oyster]

Yomi Cowboy is a joke

[void moat]

the dog day sequence and catnap are enough to make it good

[slender juniper]

OSHA doesnt Visit a company that makes orphans into toys for no fucking reason

[void moat]

all you do is glaze silksong gng i dont wanna hear it

[orchid locust]

???? what the fuck is poppy playtime even about

[earnest drift]

hey those orphans should know it's better to have no parents than a mom like lace's

[opaque sigil]

yomi mentioned (I've barely played it but it is cool conceptually)

[slender juniper]

They turn orphans into toys

[earnest drift]

better glazing silksong than fucking ploppy paytime

[slender juniper]

[earnest drift]

ploppy because it's bad
paytime because mob entertainment is money hungry trash

[void moat]

wasnt even glazing it i started out hating on chapter 5

[orchid locust]

so is it just fnaf but orphans or what

[light swan]

yomi ninja goat

[graceful oyster]

Hey I'm down to play whenever if you wanna sharpen your hairpin skills

[light swan]

me when i shave my hairline

[void moat]

lowkey love how mob had to make huggy take away your grabpack because you had like 25 different damn hands atp

[daring basin]

do we know how big the playtime co factory is that thing is basically a sovereign nation

[leaden oxide]

Children getting turned into slim Jim’s I guess or whatever the fuck mascot horror be doing since big Willy hit the scene.

[light swan]

i mean sharpen my hairpin

[earnest drift]

why even bring poppy playtime to this server lmao we're too mature for this

[daring basin]

no clue how it even happened

[graceful oyster]

I didn't know people unironically played PPlaytime honestly

[orchid locust]

we ALL hopping on banban 98

[leaden oxide]

It’s always dead kids lmao.

[slender juniper]

Huggy wuggy chasing us in chapter 67

[void moat]

i just watch videos on it to keep up with the series, i just wanted to comment on how shit chapter 5 was

[daring basin]

let bro retire

[void moat]

99% of the gameplay is puzzles and why the fuck did they even add giblet

[slender juniper]

Emotional support

[opaque sigil]

why are puzzles catching strays

[orchid locust]

crashing out in the retirement home in 2093 when someone genuinely brings up poppy playtime chapter 75

[earnest drift]

didn't the creators of poppy playtime release nfts

[void moat]

the puzzles suck

[rocky jolt]

chapter 57

[daring basin]

wouldn't be shocked

[slender juniper]

Atp poppy playtime will be stretched into 10 games like fnaf

[graceful oyster]

Oh my gosh S&V has been playing in my headphones for the last 3 minutes and I didn't even notice. Maybe I need to wean off of MIO music for a bit

[slender juniper]

FNAF is running on nostalgia glazers deny it

[void moat]

also shoutout to how bad the prototype's design is

[earnest drift]

fucking sick of horror game antagonists constantly smiling and being long and lanky
i want a horror game with an angry looking muscular enemy

those are scary irl

[graceful oyster]

Lumberjack

[void moat]

the purple one from slendytubbies

[earnest drift]

if a skinny guy is chasing me i'll just break its jaw

[leaden oxide]

Nemesis from resident evil?

[slender juniper]

How do you shutdown a single player games

[daring basin]

more time for rad HOG ig

[earnest drift]

not looking into it because the name "slendytubbies" makes my brain ooze out my ears

[leaden oxide]

choo choo Charles?

[mental arch]

this is so fucking bullshit i just spent $150 on silkcoins

[earnest drift]

constantly smiling

[leaden oxide]

At least he ain’t long and lanky

[opaque sigil]

sawlong and thanks for the nacre

[void moat]

he does frown at the end of the game actually

[earnest drift]

he has spider limbs that's not very different

[orchid locust]

what is slendytubbies why is skdisc a fucking preschool rn 😭 😭 😭 💔 💔

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/bDqyZ.gif

[graceful oyster]

Music started playing in my head

[daring basin]

he is hornets very distant cousin (they share 0.00001% of genes)

[slender juniper]

Mio is overglazed

[rocky jolt]

everything is just sprunkislop nowadays

[graceful oyster]

You didn't jive with it, doesn't make it bad

[orchid locust]

am i going senile

[void moat]

including silksong

[light swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885988783525355582/1466250363949809705/ezgif-664d344b0d6ae568.gif

[earnest drift]

did y'all see that dumb horror game where hornet is the main antagonist

[graceful oyster]

Reviewers have yet to transcend the simple barrier of preference!

[earnest drift]

cave of the cursed hornet

[rocky jolt]

thats what i was gonna say!

[slender juniper]

You fell for the bait gng

[earnest drift]

she kills cornifer and sherma

for that alone she is based

[light swan]

i think i glaze mio too much but i think it deserves it

[graceful oyster]

You were complaining about it earlier

[void moat]

i dont play mio why does that guy kinda look like sprintmaster swift

[cunning geode]

https://negativewall.bandcamp.com/album/gammagelu-full-album be careful what you wish for

[graceful oyster]

But sure, I did

[earnest drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmJUNT9khEk

[graceful oyster]

I hate brainless negative Mio reviewers

[cunning geode]

i’m too tired for a super thoughtful album pick

[light swan]

i dont think i glaze mio as much as it deserves but i think i glaze too much

[daring basin]

the silks gone wrong

[light swan]

i need to glaze xenoblade and afterimage more

[slender juniper]

Anyways im not playing mio until they ad a assist option to negates parkour damage

[cunning geode]

doom…

[slender juniper]

Cuz fuck that shit

[light swan]

they have one its called self healing

[opaque sigil]

I can understand why people who are into the genre might be turned off by some of the more platforming focused segments

[slender juniper]

My ADHD ass is not waiting 15 seconds every attempt

[opaque sigil]

I personally really liked it

[rocky jolt]

hollow knights code leaked

[graceful oyster]

Ground healing assist

[light swan]

so is that your fault or the games fault

[orchid locust]

fire thanks

[opaque sigil]

yeah but it may still not be fun for people even if they can do it without dying

[glacial kelp]

hornet vs jumbo moss

[light swan]

mio is one of those gmaes that attunes to a specific target audience

so i kind of expected for everyone to hate on it like afterimage

im surprised its so well loved

[orchid locust]

lowk i love just running mio without any healing charms or assists there’s something liberating about just going “fuck it if i take damage i take damage”

[rocky jolt]

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[light swan]

i dont like dying in exploration

but im bad so like its fine i deserve it

[orchid locust]

like i know i can just run silksong without healing or whatever but the fact that the option to bind is permanently there changes my mindset idk how to describe it

[opaque sigil]

I didn't really die that much in exploration past the first half hour

[glacial kelp]

are there multiple healing charms

[light swan]

exploration was where i felt like i died the most

[jolly pilot]

is it too late to pick up silksong? I started playing it when it first launched

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[jolly pilot]

never finished it

[light swan]

at lesat 2 but theres a lot that helps with health itself

by a lot theres like one i think?

theres a lot that removes your health though! i like those ones

[daring basin]

its never to late to divulge yourself in the hell that is pharloom

[graceful oyster]

I think there are 3 healing charms

[glacial kelp]

i feel like im tripping isnt it just the mel one

[graceful oyster]

And 2 that help with healing at the heal stations

[glacial kelp]

or are you counting the kill enemies and basin

[jolly pilot]

I wonder if I should start a new save tho

[viral hamlet]

I myself started yesterday so uh no ig

[light swan]

i forgot tbe kill enemies one

[soft belfry]

why would it be

[light swan]

free basin is one

[graceful oyster]

There's one for 3 enemies and one for killing an enemy that hit you

[jolly pilot]

you know what you're right

[daring basin]

finish ur first unless you forgot everything

[light swan]

3 enemies ??

[graceful oyster]

Yup

[glacial kelp]

yeah its 3 methinks

[orchid locust]

yeah it is 3

[soft belfry]

u paid money and the game is still the same

[jolly pilot]

last I remember I was in act two and was exploring sinners road so

[glacial kelp]

its only one heal per life though no

[graceful oyster]

Yeah it's always nonstackable

[jolly pilot]

and honestly would've paid more for the amount of amazing experience I got

[graceful oyster]

Only one at a time

[opaque sigil]

no it's one extra layer of protection, you can lose and regain it infinitely

[glacial kelp]

well non stacklable and one per life are different

yeah i thought you could only get it once

[graceful oyster]

I guess I misunderstood one per life

No it's replenishable

[orchid locust]

i also thought it was once per life

[glacial kelp]

thats actually pretty huge i probably shouldve used that

[soft belfry]

well you could go catch up before dlc

[jolly pilot]

that should probably be my goal

to beat it before dlc

when does the dlc come out again?

[soft belfry]

if ur not cooked irl (heavy workload) you can def make it

[soft belfry]

this year, unknown time

[light swan]

wait so whats the 3 one

[jolly pilot]

right

[light swan]

i completely do not remember that one

[glacial kelp]

tomorrow for shaw

[orchid locust]

grants an extra layer of protection on killing 3 enemies

[slender juniper]

Unfortunetly the games fault, as with 4 attempts thats a minute of my life wasted waiting which should not be done in a video game,All could be avoided with a setting to negates platforming damage

[jolly pilot]

I mean yeah honestly I am pretty cooked rn, even if I do make time I don't know how long of game sessions I can do

[soft belfry]

guys why are there 42 frames for hornet idle sitting

[jolly pilot]

especially for a game like silksong which you would want unlimited time

[ancient mortar]

they needed to give her some time to chill during all those animation frames.

[soft belfry]

but if you do like the game you dont have to rush it before dlc, just play whenever if it makes you happy

[light swan]

and youre fine with stuff lik lost lace's intro cutscene taking a minute each time?

negating platforming damage just COMPLETELY removes the stakes

[graceful oyster]

Did you know that, uh... playing video games is a "waste of time"? It's not the game's fault

[light swan]

and i can definitely tel you never played through path of pain / white palace?

[slender juniper]

Yes , because thats 15 seconds for one long attempt

[soft belfry]

gms interlude lol

[light swan]

its a whole ass minute of waiting and doing jackshit

[slender juniper]

?

[light swan]

her phase 2-3 transition is also like a whole minute

[slender juniper]

Can yall mio glazets just accept I don't wanna wait 15 seconds for ever of my 100 parkour attempts

I liked the game it just ruined the experience for me

[graceful oyster]

I can accept it but I reject the reasoning

[orchid locust]

cro was not running prime hiveblood path of pain 💔 💔 💔

[light swan]

the part youre at is mio's path of pain (although its a bit easier than it should)

[graceful oyster]

Negating platforming damage is stupid

[slender juniper]

An assist option

To do that

[graceful oyster]

It's a metroidvania not Celeste

[orchid locust]

i’ve been at it longer than pop actually

[jolly pilot]

me when I don't run the meta build for path of pain

[slender juniper]

Yes thats why it should be a assist option

[light swan]

well its more lkike mios white palace

[graceful oyster]

Ground healing exists

[glacial kelp]

which one is this

[light swan]

but its harder and shorter so id say its like path of pain

[slender juniper]

Sigh

[light swan]

youre proably not there yet

[glacial kelp]

i can fight te boss so i probably am there

[light swan]

||cricble||

[glacial kelp]

there was this annoying ass section that i skipped

[light swan]

like there is nothing in mio that is bad compared to other metroidvanias like hk

[glacial kelp]

oh that was fine

took me like an hour and a half maybe

[light swan]

white palace was way worse because of hiveblood

hiveblood is legit just gratitude

[slender juniper]

I Can wait for ground healing to heal me but left crucible is especially annoying because you have to wait for the pump to be in a comvenient time after you die

[glacial kelp]

did yall not use the mel thing

[light swan]

again you do not need to wait for the whqole cycle

[graceful oyster]

You don't have to wait, you can just go for it

[slender juniper]

So thats a really long time

[light swan]

i feel like youre the one kicking yourself in the ass

[slender juniper]

And die

[glacial kelp]

yeah you have a lot of time

you have enough time to get a full gratitude heal from standing still

[graceful oyster]

Then let the assist help you I guess

[jolly pilot]

should I stress about 100%ing the game on my first run?

[light swan]

this is either a massive skissue or definitely a massive skissue because you do not need to wait

[slender juniper]

[light swan]

and if you cant progress you likely dont belong in the area in the first place tbh

[soft belfry]

you can always 100% the game slowly after finishing it, the save stays

[earnest drift]

yes and you need to do it under 30 hours

[slender juniper]

Glazers when somebody complains about their glaze subject:

[coarse leaf]

[light swan]

this isnt about mio glaze

[jolly pilot]

is there any section that gets locked out once you complete the game in any ending?

[slender juniper]

Atp I could say skong sucks and it wouldnt have this amount of backlash

[graceful oyster]

Players when games don't cater to their skill issues in the exact way they want it to

[jolly pilot]

well I'm guessing except act 3

[light swan]

i take criticism and im trying to take your criticism respectfully

but youre complaining about the most Nothingburger things that are entirely your fault too

[slender juniper]

Bruh

[coarse leaf]

[leaden oxide]

I mean I guess the secret ||ending when your cursed||?

[slender juniper]

Waiting isnt a skill issue

[glacial kelp]

is this section not super annoying (taken from interactive map it doesnt have it for some reason)

[light swan]

especially when youre saying stuff thats flat out wrong like needing to wait for another cycle

[light swan]

what about it is annoying

[graceful oyster]

Dying "100s" of times is

[glacial kelp]

maybe i just suck

[light swan]

its diffiult but i dont see why it would be annoying

[soft belfry]

there are 2 bosses iirc but they dont count to 100%

[light swan]

same for lucible, its difficult but not annoying

[jolly pilot]

I wouldn't know what you're talking about haha

[glacial kelp]

the runback is super long

[slender juniper]

Everytime I tried going right after I healed I didnt have enough time

[glacial kelp]

and you can easily take multiple damage ticks per run

[leaden oxide]

Idk how far you are

[glacial kelp]

unlike crucible

[soft belfry]

theyre apparently in sinners act 2

[light swan]

thats fair

[jolly pilot]

act two pretty deep

[light swan]

did you get the shortcut for the runback its pretty short

[leaden oxide]

I’ll just tell you if you want the full details.

[graceful oyster]

This one is annoying but unlike ||crucible|| it is entirely optional

[slender juniper]

The fact im not enjoying the game isnt your problem and shouldnt be, I didnt say anything about the game being Bad It just ruined the experience for me

[glacial kelp]

well for reference i didnt do the runback a single time for crucible

[slender juniper]

I don't like bacon but you Can like bacon

[light swan]

its not my problem, i disagree with your reasoning and im allowed to disagree

i dont care that youre not having a good time with the game

[graceful oyster]

When you start saying "the game should have this" then it becomes something we are allowed to respond to

[light swan]

but i disagree when your reasoning is wrong and im allowed to disagree

[graceful oyster]

Really we're allowed to respond to it anyway

[jolly pilot]

hopefully I can finish it without stressing about any locked out achievements

[light swan]

otherwise whats even the point of having discussion if we're just supposed to stay quiet and let everyone else think what they want

[leaden oxide]

Well then I’ll have to tell you about what I was talking about

Because it is an achievement

[light swan]

im not forcing you to like the section but i just completely disagree with your reasoning for it and im allowed to explain why

[jolly pilot]

I'm cool with that

[graceful oyster]

This

[slender juniper]

Whats the harm of having a negate parkour damage assist option

[glacial kelp]

crucible is a little difficult to sightread sometimes ig

[soft belfry]

I dont think any achievements are unobtainable besides ||1 ending||, ||steel soul|| exclusives and speed clearing

[graceful oyster]

Makes hard things completely free and that's silly to put in a game

[leaden oxide]

Without spoiling too much during a specific side quest you get cursed and can’t heal, use tools or silk abilities, if you beat the final boss of act two while cursed you get a unique ending.

[light swan]

it completely removes the stakes and allows you to throw your face at a wall and win

[soft belfry]

not sure if the 2 bosses give achievement

[slender juniper]

It would just save time waiting for the ground heal, theres no diference except you don't have to wait

[jolly pilot]

ohh

damn

[glacial kelp]

mel does not universally work though

[slender juniper]

Thats why its an assist option not everyone Has to turn it on

[graceful oyster]

There is a a difference, especially because such an assist would break several boss fights and hazards

It doesn't have a place in an mvania setting

[glacial kelp]

i think debating accessibility options is reductive

[light swan]

the devs focus when making the assist was to help players without removing the core of the game

[jolly pilot]

so basically you have to meet a certain condition to kill a boss for a specific achievement

[leaden oxide]

Yeah

[light swan]

thats why stuff like eroded bosses exist, you still need to fight and learn the boss but it makes it easier and eases players more

but nothing removes the core challenge of the game

[jolly pilot]

and you can get locked out of it if you don't do it?

[leaden oxide]

I did it and I’m pretty good at the game but beating the final boss of act two with nothing was still pretty hard.

[opaque sigil]

I don't think a negate platforming damage assist option would be a problem unless it negated hazard respawns

[light swan]

like, just add an assist to let you fly atp

[leaden oxide]

Yeah

[slender juniper]

Idk Man I just don't like dying during long parkour sections and doing it All over again

[jolly pilot]

I see, does the achievement count towards 100%?

[light swan]

thats how it works in literally every single metroidvania 😔

[glacial kelp]

have you beat path of pain dawg

[graceful oyster]

[leaden oxide]

Nah, it’s only if you want the achievement

[jolly pilot]

oh okay do achievement runs and 100% runs are different, gotchu

[graceful oyster]

Game isn't free enough, can I have someone play it for me

[opaque sigil]

you would still have to solve the puzzle, really the only difference between that and the existing assist option (in most cases) is a delay before a next attempt

[leaden oxide]

Took me 14 tries to do it while cursed and I’m pretty good at the game.

[slender juniper]

Atp I could say FNAF sucks and they wouldnt have me pinned like this

[soft belfry]

pretty sure no but its an achievement, you can borrow a save file to do the fight afterwards tho if you really want it

[light swan]

earlier they said they havent

[graceful oyster]

Fnaf does suck

[slender juniper]

😭

[jolly pilot]

unironically funny lol

[glacial kelp]

i see

[light swan]

ok throw everything i said earlier out of the window i guess

[glacial kelp]

but surely theyve done white palace

[light swan]

hopefully

[glacial kelp]

like its the same thing no

[leaden oxide]

I get it bro got smoked by mount fey.

[jolly pilot]

damn

[leaden oxide]

Well without tools or healing that will happen 💀

[jolly pilot]

I see, thought if I already know about it Id like to give it a shot

[slender juniper]

I didnt read I fell asleep reading

[jolly pilot]

not sure if that's a wise decision for a first playthrough tho lol

[soft belfry]

ngl overly long parkour sections are a gameplay pain, its not really skill just raw endurance

but if it doesnt block progression or is a small part of the game it is acceptable

[light swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/414372897109573643/1446810033332424756/speechmemified_0P9kEQQ-1.GIF

[glacial kelp]

is this the average gen alpha

[jolly pilot]

pretty impressive for 14th try if I do say so myself

[soft belfry]

you can also technically rollback the save to do it yea

[leaden oxide]

I mean you can re-load after beating the boss, get cursed and then fight them again.

[light swan]

ok i wont speak more on this topic then

i completely get complaints and i think its fine that you want an assist for negating platforming damage

[jolly pilot]

that would mean you basically can't get locked out of the boss wouldn't it?

[light swan]

i just disagree and im allowed to talk about why

[opaque sigil]

an issue with nullifying platforming damage is that would do stuff outside of actual platforming sequences, it would also affect things like hazards just in normal rooms or enemy encounters

[light swan]

ppl could turn it on only for platforming segments

[solid escarp]

lol i forgot to finish silksong for like a month and then did it in 3 hours today
fun fight

[opaque sigil]

sure

[glacial kelp]

i mean i think youre viewing the opinion in bad faith still

[leaden oxide]

Quick question do you know how many acts there are?

[glacial kelp]

like they could easily just make it not work for bosses

[jolly pilot]

yes I'm familiar there are 3 acts

[light swan]

the opinion about the assist?

[leaden oxide]

Well this boss is inaccessible after starting act three

[glacial kelp]

because thats obviously not the same thing as platforming

[light swan]

im completely fine with it especially because its just an assist

[opaque sigil]

I suspect a part of the reason some of the assists are the way they are is because modifiers already do that so it's easier

[light swan]

thats not what i care about at all

[slender juniper]

Mio is a Bad game, please Rage att ts

[leaden delta]

uhh a quick I agree fnaf sucks but what’s the topic about specifically

[glacial kelp]

we are talking about fnaf i think

[leaden delta]

or what did it stem from at least

[glacial kelp]

helo sonia

[iron trellis]

the two things that piss me off the green prince heart is the longass runback with those stupid enemys and the fact that the collision hitbox on the prince himself is fucking massive

[light swan]

guy complains about a specific part of mio, we disagree, guy claims that we are all mio glazers who will attack anyone who doesnt like the game

[jolly pilot]

ohhhh okay I get it

[fathom echo]

@void moat https://m.youtube.com/shorts/UDwFq9y4FJ0 this u?

[leaden delta]

Mm

[graceful oyster]

Game isn't easy enough

Make it easier please

[opaque sigil]

honestly I wouldn't mind if the ground healing was just baseline, I didn't use the assist but I did use gratitude and for a lot of stuff it just feels like a reasonable thing

[light swan]

theres so many ways to complain about mio and i just dont think this is it

[glacial kelp]

disliking an aspect of a game doesnt make it immediately bad

[leaden delta]

I do prefer not having to worry about dying in platforming, but I feel like that’s either a you build the game around it thing like celeste or shits just hard enough to where it’s warranted (the harder decomaster maps)

[light swan]

i agree gratitude should be faster

[opaque sigil]

I mean it is a little annoying to have downtime between every attempt

[jolly pilot]

interesting, so you can achieve everything act 1 and 2 has to offer before starting act 3 and when you start act 3 you don't have to worry about back tracking and completing all the stuff?

[slender juniper]

Right crucible is fun left is just iritating

Sorry scream at me for ts

[glacial kelp]

lowkey i thought right was way harder lmao

[light swan]

but i feel like the exact details of it, like having to wait for a cycle each time, is a little bs cuz its just wrong

[leaden oxide]

Yeah.

[graceful oyster]

The main concern is that the ingame assist makes you wait 5 seconds to heal back a health. This is out of timing with a major timed platforming section, so you end up waiting longer.

[glacial kelp]

also gratitude is already really good i think its fine as is

[slender juniper]

Idk each time I went right after heal I went and died to goop

[light swan]

and i feel like most the problem is that they cant progress without throwing their face at the wall

[jolly pilot]

gotcha

[graceful oyster]

In the grand scheme of things I don't think that's worth complaining about

[light swan]

and at that point its not a problem about gratitude anymore

gratitude just makes the problem apparent

[glacial kelp]

like gratitude works while walking why is that

[light swan]

which is why i disagree with the complaint

[opaque sigil]

there can be a space for even minor complaints we can remember that everything is to a scale

[soft belfry]

you can dupe ur save without mods, then rollback one save to act 1 or 2

[leaden delta]

oh ok that’s ass

for platforming

[light swan]

i think hazard respawns gratitude should definitely be faster

[opaque sigil]

I agree that would be really helpful

[glacial kelp]

thats extremely specific though

[light swan]

its just this that makes me disagree

[opaque sigil]

it's a specific solution to a specific problem

[jolly pilot]

how do you "rollback"
also if you can basically complete everything in act 1 and 2 you don't have to worry about backtracking in act 3 so rollback wouldn't be a need right?

[slender juniper]

Arrow by your save file

[glacial kelp]

actually maybe youre right

[opaque sigil]

I personally didn't really mind the gratitude cooldown all the time because it was a chance to think about what I just saw, it only really was even a little annoying when I had solved the problem and just had to execute the solution

[light swan]

i mean hazard respawns are pretty general and most hard platformiung segments the damage comes from hazard respawns

[glacial kelp]

i cant really think of a way to easily abuse it

[light swan]

yea

[glacial kelp]

yeah same

[light swan]

it is yea

[opaque sigil]

you could in theory jump into hazards during a fight to avoid an enemy hit but like I don't think that's that exploitable

[glacial kelp]

crucible is puzzling

[iron trellis]

oh man now i feel bad

[light swan]

but the point of hteir complaint is very much flawed in my eyes

[earnest drift]

why did hornet make hornet do this

[opaque sigil]

I think it's a fair thing to be bothered by but I wouldn't drop the game over it

[light swan]

i agreed with the gratitude stuff at first, maybe not to the point where i drop the game, but then the rest of their argument came

[glacial kelp]

just like add 2 seconds to the timer after a hazaard death ig

[iron trellis]

im not doing the hunters heart

im just not

[earnest drift]

hornet is a hunter why didn't she just take her own heart

[fathom echo]

It was a mercy

[earnest drift]

lace deserved to be the final boss far more than radiance did

[sullen smelt]

Hi

[slender juniper]

Homophobe

[light swan]

i still think my solution of longer platforming segments each, but with a nacre basin at each one, is the best solution

[earnest drift]

why doesn't thread storm destroy void projectiles

[glacial kelp]

void beats thread

[light swan]

like in rucible, one part i skipped a respawn point so that i could respawn back at my nacre basin

and it worked and it was much funner

[opaque sigil]

sure that works

[light swan]

its so much more thrilling that way too

[iron trellis]

omg the snail shamans are shaming me for doing the green prince heart

[light swan]

the feeling that youre far into a segment and the stakes are high and stuff

and the payoff is always worth it

[iron trellis]

holy shit that cutscene was cool

[soft belfry]

there is a 🔁 button, but yea you can complete them in earlier acts in the first place

[orchid locust]

longer platforming sections but you can call up samsk to crawl through the pipes to drop you a protective coat care package

[light swan]

beastling call? nah, id samsk call

[glacial kelp]

sawlong gaming

[light swan]

YEA like slong

[opaque sigil]

samsk the goat

[orchid locust]

samsk is calling

❌ decline ✅ accept

[leaden delta]

anyways I tried silksong immlight earlier

[light swan]

but slong is more of a sightreading test than a platforming test

[leaden delta]

that shit sucked ass as hornet

[light swan]

id say something like the last "room" of rucible

[earnest drift]

thread storm might be bad

[leaden delta]

granted that’s also because I’m not that big of a fan of immlight but that shit sucks ass to play as hornet

[graceful oyster]

||Samsk is the best Keeper fr|| MIO spoils

[opaque sigil]

I'm scared of what that'll look like without shairpin lol

[glacial kelp]

what is immlight lowkey

[graceful oyster]

It's spoilers because it's TRUE

[leaden oxide]

Getting used to the new down swing got me fucked up too at the beginning two don’t worry.

[leaden delta]

so I opened hk and fought purity instead. I like that games combat so much more

[orchid locust]

what's immlight

[leaden oxide]

It’s the same gameplay 💀

[glacial kelp]

one of the 5000 radiance mods apparently

[leaden oxide]

Ight.

[light swan]

SPOILERSSSS heres all of rucible no sharpin

[opaque sigil]

oh that's barely different than what I did

shairpin actually made a bunch of it a lot more complicated probably

[glacial kelp]

this guy uses shairpin 9 seconds in gg

[harsh yarrow]

I cant properly express how ungodly painful this was.
Finally got the door in Bonegrave that leads to the Chapel of the Wanderer to work as just a door, that I can now reuse for something nefarious ;3
ie, its going to be the entrance to a deeper section of Bonegrave, styled much like the Chapel of the Wanderer which will be made part of the new deeper section of Bonegrave

[light swan]

defniitlye

[slender juniper]

Im silking it

[light swan]

SPOILERSSS and heres rucible with only shairpin

[glacial kelp]

wait shairpin stands for sharpened hairpin

[light swan]

shairpin just barely makes some rooms faster and makes a lot of rooms a bit scarier or slower

[glacial kelp]

i think i am stupid

[light swan]

yea lol

[harsh yarrow]

(its also why the Chapel of the Wanderer doesnt have its moss that is normally in the first section)

[light swan]

i remember hella struggling at one point and then my friend had to tell me to stop shairpinning

[graceful oyster]

This can't be you, there's no activate windows

[light swan]

WHAT

oh my brother probably did that

[orchid locust]

illusion....... activated windows?? i have to spread the word........

[light swan]

he activates my windows when he comes home and plays league of legends

[graceful oyster]

Lol

[light swan]

last tim it happened

[opaque sigil]

winbro

[light swan]

oh man normal sail is slow

[graceful oyster]

spine keeper?

[light swan]

with a question mark

yes

[graceful oyster]

Correct

[light swan]

holy fucking shit sail is slow

this one fuckign rtoom almost made me quit

[glacial kelp]

does this mean illusion is dead

[light swan]

well its back now

[somber ledge]

I looked up mort on the wiki to see if he had any dialogue that would help me get into the gate to the right of his shop and got spoiled to his apparent death. RIP Mort 🙁

I kind of didn't like him because he used to charge me 25 rosaries to enter his shop but, like, at the same time, he was an og. He was one of the first people I met.

[earnest drift]

his name is mort so it's kind of given that he dies

[light swan]

there are some shairpins i couldve taken but didnt

[graceful oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/death-gif-24356219

[somber ledge]

You are always here, bro. Do you sleep? I respect it.

[light swan]

oh man lucible is fun

i really wish i had sunsail and the hearts favorite the first time i went through

[earnest drift]

lace is the third best written character in the franchise and silksong act 3 is written fine

[cerulean sable]

Guys

Pyromancer build

Witch
Flintslat
Wisp Fire Lantern
Pimpillo

Anything else to add

[light swan]

not shes not stop ragebaiting

[earnest drift]

and referencing the original game in the sequel is fine

[somber ledge]

Who is 1 and 2

[earnest drift]

1 is hornet 2 is pale king

[light swan]

wispfire cloak, scuttlebrace

memory crystal

[somber ledge]

I did not pay much attention to lore while playing Hollow Knight but the little I gathered on the Pale King was facinating. Me likes

[cerulean sable]

But but memory crys is ice 😔

[opaque sigil]

on my second playthrough I'll use sunsail for platforming

[graceful oyster]

AGM batteries over flooded any day

[vivid belfry]

I mean claw mirrors but it's implied with witch

[graceful oyster]

$20 more for a substantially higher quality battery

[cerulean sable]

Oh yeah claw is another good one

I forgot which slots

[graceful oyster]

Much more resistant to extreme temperatures

Holds charge for way longer

[cerulean sable]

But i think you can make it a full upd Witch

[light swan]

yes please its so addicting

it turns sail into a sort of airdash

[graceful oyster]

Flooded would be good for if you weren't using it for a car, like say for a science project

But for a vehicle? AGM is the way to go

[light swan]

and since you cant airstall or float as long it makes things a bit more tight and awesome

[graceful oyster]

Oh sorry wrong server

[somber ledge]

Late act 2 is so fucking boring

[fringe jungle]

hey guys

[somber ledge]

Hello

[earnest drift]

but lace 2

[somber ledge]

Does anyone actually use hornets downwards dash or is it just there.

[light swan]

lucible post cuz lucible is cool

SPOILERSSS FOR MIO

[fiery scroll]

can anybody help in #sk-help

[light swan]

i sometimes do

[sharp slate]

i use it on occassion for wanderer combos

[light swan]

but without shade cloak its less cool especially cuz it makes you hard fall

[sharp slate]

its also good against trobbio for speedkills

[earnest drift]

i use it to get rid of the hop hornet does after a clawline or dash attack

[light swan]

its good for spogo chains though

just clawline after dash attack :D

[somber ledge]

There is nothing the downwards dash can do that just falling can't.

[sharp slate]

its faster

[earnest drift]

it's faster

[light swan]

downwards dash is faster and snappier

[somber ledge]

Nuh uh.

[earnest drift]

but i wish there was parkour or bosses that utilised it more

[somber ledge]

THERE IS NOTHING THAT THE DOWNWARDS DASH CAN DO THAT THE HUNTER DOWNSLASH CAN'T!!

When I want to go down faster, I just do that

[earnest drift]

attack cooldown

[glacial kelp]

what if there are spikes on the walls

[somber ledge]

Uhhh, then you, uhhhh. Then you, uhhhhhh. Just don't be there.

[glacial kelp]

no that tracks

[somber ledge]

I wish I had desolate dive

And the upwards skill i forgot the name of

Howling waithes?

[earnest drift]

i hate desolate dive and abyss shriek

i hate everything the knight does

[somber ledge]

I love dive 🙁

I love the knight :((((

[light swan]

not every crest is hunters downslash

hear me out though, if you downdash and then pogo then you get more distance

[opaque sigil]

doing this with 1500 nacre and no protective coating is crazy work

[somber ledge]

Then use hunters. Hunters is better anyway

No crest is better than hunters crest. I said what I said.

Not to start a crest debate, of course. We should all be friends 🙂

[earnest drift]

sorry does this mean cloakless is better than hunter's crest?

[glacial kelp]

wait the knight has dive and hornet has silk soar

[somber ledge]

I do not know what that means

[sharp slate]

straight down diving

[glacial kelp]

this means pablo will have the ability to fly

[light swan]

i probably had alexanders fate equipped

[fiery scroll]

the crest you use is just a mirror of your gameplay. what you like more.

[bright rapids]

I personally like wanderer's crest, the quick attacks are nice and I love when crits happen, and it synergies with dice

[somber ledge]

PABLO MENTIONED

[earnest drift]

pablo has the ability to go in the toilet where he belongs

[glacial kelp]

world renowned hero mario is also a toilet worker

[somber ledge]

I like wanderers too! Hunters is just superior though. Wanderers crit have a too low chance of happening for me. It is really just quickslash to me.

[opaque sigil]

wanderer crits are pretty irrelevant

[sharp slate]

example when i downdash though

[fiery scroll]

reaper crest above all!!!

[bright rapids]

I just said I like when they happen, not that they happen often enough to make it the main reason to use it

[opaque sigil]

I like wanderer because it's a lot of silk gain to use skills with

[glacial kelp]

uhhh coil spinning counterclockwise electrical charge

[opaque sigil]

though I haven't really played ss in months

[earnest drift]

mario is also bad

[sharp slate]

wanderer go brrr is my favorite thing, i love quick nail

[glacial kelp]

i hate lace

[fringe jungle]

hey guys

[earnest drift]

if mario was better than lace he would be in silksong

however he is not

i do not make the rules

[glacial kelp]

there are toilets in silksong so mario will be there

and like pipes or somethkng

[earnest drift]

swimming in them like shit because he is shit

[somber ledge]

Sometimes I feel bad for Hornet. I bet when she was in Hallownest she was so strong and powerful and precise and then she got to pharloom and I took control of her and she's like 'Why am I suddenly so sloppy and slow and weak and stupid?'

[glacial kelp]

youre probably the guy that put allat into bilewater

[earnest drift]

no that was the conductors

enslaving phantom to do it

[light swan]

its so hard to see how much sunsail impacts in a video

theres no way to tell without using it ingame

[glacial kelp]

they say history is written by the victors

[light swan]

its genuinely addicting to feel like yorue zooming everywhere even though its not all that much faster

[glacial kelp]

normal glide feels slow as hell in general

[earnest drift]

but the conductors lost to gms and gms is too asleep to write anything

does lace even know how to write or read

she seems stupid

[glacial kelp]

mhm and who was awake (lace)

[somber ledge]

This flea is so annoying

[earnest drift]

she doesn't know how to read

[somber ledge]

I will find it though because I am goated

[glacial kelp]

how do you nnowt that

[light swan]

no i was fine with it especially after silksong

[opaque sigil]

it's noticeable

[light swan]

but sunsail is addicting

[earnest drift]

because she's dumb and no one can teach her

[light swan]

i really want the devs to make sunsail while striding faster

[molten storm]

whats a really fun and strong non tool focused build

[opaque sigil]

I feel like I was underutilizing glide in general for so much of my playthrough before messing around with bop and firefly

[light swan]

snitch pick volt filament sawtooth circlet hunter crest

[molten storm]

thx babygorl

[molten storm]

whats the circlet input combo

[light swan]

theres no combo just press jump often

usually before an attack

[iron trellis]

how many phases does lost lace have

[light swan]

oops, 4

[iron trellis]

well shit

[light swan]

i didnt know bop stays active for like 2 seconds after you stop sailing

[iron trellis]

this wont be fun

[light swan]

because firefly doesnt right

i originaly thought firefly would be like how bop was and i was theorizing about it

[opaque sigil]

I like never stopped holding glide in my ||shii hitless||

[light swan]

i also didnt know sailing while attacking was possible

[graceful cairn]

silksong chat when they get to talk about mio

[light swan]

bop was also my very last mod i think

[graceful cairn]

what is bop bro

[opaque sigil]

yeah that was a huge realization for firefly

[honest fulcrum]

the 30 hour run feels impossible

[opaque sigil]

we do a small amount of damage

[honest fulcrum]

learning this game is rough

[copper hedge]

bro's too big it wont sink and is stuck on a frame

[glacial kelp]

bath of pain (we dont shower)

[earnest drift]

so big they won't fit through the gaps between the molecules

[light swan]

bird of prey

basically increases your attack damage during sail, and also 2 seconds after sail

[somber ledge]

I thought I found the way and it was just some stupid room. Hate it

[light swan]

@opaque sigil have you played with bop+shairpin builds

[graceful cairn]

i see

[copper hedge]

forever stuck in uncertainty

[opaque sigil]

no

[light swan]

can i introduce you 🥺

[somber ledge]

Oh, I got a tool. A yellow tool.

[opaque sigil]

by all means

[light swan]

wait this is a beta patch thing ngl

but basically all the fundamentals are bop, shairpin, and energy leecher

after shairpin you hold sail for the first two attacks, and let go before the third attack

[somber ledge]

I do go really fast. Not worth silk though.

[light swan]

then shairpin again, rinse and repeat

[opaque sigil]

interesting

[somber ledge]

I'm so ashamed, I think I may have to google this flea.

[light swan]

i also recommend kinetic thrust

[opaque sigil]

I like kinetic thrust

always run it if I can slot it

[light swan]

it doesnt work for the sail combo but if you let go of sail before third attack then it works

theres also different varations, for example you can use wild cat instead

just click sail, dont hold, before using the thrust

[opaque sigil]

what does wild cat do again

[light swan]

its better if you want fast burst damage

[light swan]

your next attack after hairpin becomes a stronger heavy thrust

[opaque sigil]

ah that one

[light swan]

it ALSO works with strider attacks

which is theoretically stronger than wild cat, might be stronger than kinetic thrust, but only works for grounded bosses like the regular final boss

[opaque sigil]

how often can you really make a strider setup work, it could work with friends pretty well

[light swan]

its such an addicting playstyle

[light swan]

friends gets deleted with a sail build

strider is SUPER niche but i made it work against the regular final boss

[opaque sigil]

I feel like ||shii|| spends enough time dangling low that you could proooobably get strider value

[light swan]

maybe but strider bop shairpin builds revolve around shairpinning into the ground

the problem is that even if you can, its not strong

unless youre using strider bop shairpin

basically since against grounded bosses you shairpin into the ground, you can then hold both strider AND sail (because you can sail while striding) and then do a strider attack

this makes bop shairpin builds actually work against grounded bosses, and it lowkey deals great damage because of black widow, a mod i dont think you have yet

[opaque sigil]

I'm definitely looking forward to doing builds on my next playthrough, I kinda just fumbled my way through most bosses

[opaque sigil]

I have it

[light swan]

practically the same as wild cat but stronger and grounded only

[opaque sigil]

I did snv

[light swan]

oh nice when wtf

[opaque sigil]

earlier

[split cape]

Hooonk shooo

[light swan]

well heres an example of shairpin bop wild cat lol

this is with 0 damage upgrades but every shairpin gets boosted by bop

[opaque sigil]

wow

[rancid hatch]

I love rune rage

nothing we'll ever make be unequip rune rage

[opaque sigil]

it is cool to watch you just tear through shit that took me a whole bunch of tries

[earnest drift]

kill quirrel

[civic bolt]

No

[light swan]

after shairpin nerf bop builds will get better but shairpin in general will get weaker so the vid wont be as fast

[opaque sigil]

it could stand to be pretty substantially weaker and still be very viable

[earnest drift]

hollow knight npcs are uninteresting

[civic bolt]

No

[light swan]

good thing is that after shairpin spamming gets patched out, you have to attack after a shairpin

[opaque sigil]

I genuinely kinda think firefly should be nerfed

[light swan]

which is where bop builds shine

[earnest drift]

17 dmg per silk does not need to be nerfed

[light swan]

ahem ahem

[opaque sigil]

I won't say anything if you don't

[light swan]

also heres bop strider shairpin build

FINAL BOSS SPOILERSSS in mio

[opaque sigil]

maybe I'm misattributing my damage against ||shii|| but firefly seemed to be popping off

[light swan]

its pretty much the same as the wild cat build against sv, but each strider attack is boosted by black widow

so its technically stronger

but the devs are planning on buffing strider attacks too :) so itll definitely be stronger

[ancient mortar]

||is this hit character mio battling their evil twin oim?||

[opaque sigil]

I should go back and do this fight more

it's also really good even if I've mostly been honing stuff against the other one

punching bag 😔

[light swan]

spoiler that please big spoilers big implications!

[light swan]

yea, its just too grounded for me that its harder to do cool things i feel

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[light swan]

and the other one is still definitely funner

[ancient mortar]

oh i know nothing about the game i was doing a bit

[opaque sigil]

||shii definitely lets you do whatever you want for a lot of the fight you don't have to play that reactively||

[light swan]

ya theyre a major character and its a little bit of a spoiler

[ancient mortar]

i can't believe ||oim|| is real

[opaque sigil]

hell I've killed him twice without him actually getting to move select lmao

[light swan]

kind of yea

but not really in phase 2

in phase 1 theres only 1 attack

[opaque sigil]

what phase 2

[light swan]

😭

see this is why i told the devs to buff the boss

[earnest drift]

why does deltarune have better reviews on steam than silksong

fuck this shit

[opaque sigil]

basically phase skipped 😭

but it's one of those tough areas where like he has a good amount of health if you're not using a crazy damage setup

[light swan]

exactlyyy

[opaque sigil]

so what do you balance for

[light swan]

and the devs decided theyd rather balance for casuals than for people like me

which is fine but a bit unfortunate

[opaque sigil]

probably the right call

[light swan]

wait so have you never seen phase 2 or are you just saying that lol

[opaque sigil]

maybe they'll add a hard mode or something we can only hope

[ancient mortar]

Hard games will always have less positive ratings overall. regardless. Some people don't like hard games which is totally fine, deltarune isnt that hard so it has a much wider appeal. also dr is a very great game with some really unique storytelling.

[light swan]

YES PLEASEE

[opaque sigil]

my first kill was with a much more casual setup

so yeah I've seen the phase 2

[light swan]

alr alr

i have a vid of every phase 2 attack prepped up to show you lol

[opaque sigil]

and if he got to do anything in it I would probably have died because daaaaamn

[ancient mortar]

idk what game i'll play next, i considered mio but im really not feeling another mv rn

[light swan]

meh i’ll send them anyway so that i can watch them

[opaque sigil]

they are really cool moves

[light swan]

dude theyre SO DAMN AWESOMEEE

why does a big background boss get to be this dynamic

[ancient mortar]

do you guys have any non metroidvania game recs

[light swan]

why couldnt radiance actually attack you

[light swan]

uhh

[opaque sigil]

what do you like

[light swan]

xenoblade, factorio, hades, balatro, ror2, celeste

[rancid hatch]

there's been so many times where sharpdart's wind up has screwed me over

[ancient mortar]

Silksong tragically isnt in my top 5 despite being my favorite game to come out recently.

top 10 tho probably

edging out hk

[light swan]

the threefold attack (4th one) is lowkey some of the coolest shit of all time

probably cuz its the one attack i still struggle with

in part because of how fast it is, the fact that you cant parry the 6-slam and need to hairpin/stroost away, or the fact that even if you parry the other ones you kinda have to do a triple parry

but its exhilarating dodging AND being aggressive at the same time

[ancient mortar]

Anyone here played signalis

[light swan]

nope :(

[opaque sigil]

been meaning to but no

[ancient mortar]

are you into survival horror (resident evil/ silent hill kinda stuff) at all?

[light swan]

the lasers are fucking awesome but you gotta watch out for the hands too its beautiful

STOP reocmmending me games i have TOO MANY I NEED TO PLAYYYY

[opaque sigil]

I'm not like a diehard fan but I've had a great time with some resident evil (requiem on friday hype)

[lavish apex]

better game unfort

[light swan]

the phase 2 attacks are so damn dynamic and awesome i wish phase 2 lasted for longer

[ancient mortar]

id hard reccomend signalis, its one of the most fascinating ones out there. It has resident evil quality gameplay survival balancing and a surreal and fascinating story that is a lot more silent hill. plus amazing sci fi style, cool artstyle, and incredible worldbuilding.

[opaque sigil]

maybe should've had two shorter health bars so you can't do so much damage in phase 1 that phase 2 is nothing

[light swan]

yea

[lavish apex]

any nierers

[light swan]

but i do think they should make the phase transition start at 2/3rds hp

because of the pure damage potential

[graceful oyster]

I like these. Silksong, MIO, and Animal Well are mvanias. Rest are not.

[opaque sigil]

literally started phase 2 like this in my most recent kill 😭

[light swan]

phase 1 only has 3 attacks theres no reason why its allowed to go on for longer than phase 2 which has 6 attacks

lemme do one ||shiitless|| rq

[lavish apex]

subnautica is the game ever made

[light swan]

i disagree

[lavish apex]

it's not the game ever made?

[light swan]

jeez im just saying my opinion on the game

[ancient mortar]

maybe it's time to buy outer wilds.... i did like the last timeloop game i played. its one of those games that i've had a lot spoiled technically but have barely made sense of it as its just pop culture osmosis and videos i listened to in the background while doing other stuff.

also tabletop sim???

[light swan]

all these subnautica glazers piling on anyone bro

[lavish apex]

glaze where bro

[graceful oyster]

You've been spoiled on OW?

Or on the other one

[ancient mortar]

outer wilds

[graceful oyster]

:(

[ancient mortar]

i don't remember what i got spoiled because it was a long time ago

but i know a lot of stuff about the premise vaguely

[split cape]

What silksong character fits this

[ancient mortar]

Phantom

[graceful oyster]

Big on Magic the Gathering but I also made my own card game that I play a lot on there too

[ancient mortar]

their ass is not lasting very long past sotv.

[ancient mortar]

I remember i tried runinng dnd on that once. was neat

a little too inconvienient tho

[light swan]

MIO FINAL BOSS SPOILERS first try @opaque sigil

[opaque sigil]

tabletop simulator would not be my first choice for a dnd campaign lol

but ig it would work

[light swan]

im on beta patch with shairpin nerf too 😭 if i didnt miss my last shairpin that wouldve been heat

[ancient mortar]

it was more of an experiment for a oneshot iirc

[light swan]

did you know the phase transition used to be 3 laser cycles long? not 2

[graceful oyster]

I do remember

It always throws me off

[opaque sigil]

brutalized

[copper hedge]

"Their shells are ours. Their souls are ours. Our hate is forever.
Hate for their light. Hate for their pins. For their waste poured thick and endless.
Fill your hearts with hate, for power has been claimed, and with it we shall punish."

-Frog

[opaque sigil]

the last thing he needs is a longer phase transition

[ancient mortar]

oh also tammo that massive lego castle i said would take a week a long ass time ago still isn't finished....

getting there tho

[opaque sigil]

slacking off are we

[ancient mortar]

got a new job so thats been eating free time

[opaque sigil]

fair

[ancient mortar]

also grinding for lost lace nohit

which i finished

[opaque sigil]

nice

[ancient mortar]

have you seen that one yet im fairly proud of it

[opaque sigil]

I don't think so

[orchid locust]

caves of qud is the only one here i know nothing about

[graceful oyster]

Cool! Play it

Peak game

[opaque sigil]

Crazy work! Nice job

[ancient mortar]

the finisher was entirely a stroke of luck

[opaque sigil]

I’m always surprised by how lenient the cross stitch ending iframes are my ass would NOT trust that for the dash attacks

[light swan]

send the gif send the gif

[ancient mortar]

you gotta see this bullshit

[ancient mortar]

already was on it lmao

[opaque sigil]

bruh

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/second-sentinel-ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-gif-14144986572548286793

this gif still makes me funny i wonder whos dumb enough to miss 3 cross stitches like that

[ancient mortar]

this ones a bug but look at this bs i found

this is insanely rare but ive gotten others to replicate it now

[graceful oyster]

#sk-discussion message
In Caves of Qud I once projected my consciousness into a fish and when my old body of a god got turned into a statue, I was stranded in the body of the fish
So I went home to the desert, as the fish, and grew to project my consciousness back into an emergency clone I manufactured of my god body for this exact situation

[light swan]

there’s another sentinel clip that i pulled from a random person on the internet and it’s really funny too

[ancient mortar]

who needs nohit when you have all hit

I need to use delvers more tho

that shit looks incredibly fun

[opaque sigil]

delver drill does look fun

[light swan]

eh i like archi pogo more

[opaque sigil]

I didn't really experiment with tools very much, I love the voltvessel spear though

[light swan]

i just used og silkshot and sting shard

[ancient mortar]

If i do another ll nohit i wanna get a cleaner run. theres some mistakes in second phase and i wanna mix up my attacks on staggers where im just spamming her from one side

[rancid hatch]

I thought the claw mirror and twin claw mirror were separate items for some reason

[ancient mortar]

also i want better rng to let me do some other cool tricks i learned on ll that didn't every turn up in that video. i have a really cool response to her diagonal parry that got messed up in the successful run as she staggered.

[light swan]

i love curvesickles and i strongly believe that hornet holds a curvesickle in her offhand canonically but i dont like using them

[rancid hatch]

shocking amount of style in this video

[graceful oyster]

Wait hold on you know about Spiderheck? Cobalt Core?

[somber ledge]

I gave in and looked at a map which showed the way I needed to go. I collected the feal and headed to the ducts to find Fleatopia. I was gifted a Egg of Flealia. It looks like a good charm but you need to be skilled in order for it to be useful.

[ancient mortar]

why does senti sound like a grandpa when they get staggered lmao

[opaque sigil]

they are pretty old

[ancient mortar]

but yeah for the lego castle the big thing that lets me work on it for hours is listening to longass video essays. i watched like 14 hour analysis on no im not human while building that shit

[light swan]

i fucking love archipogo

[opaque sigil]

same

[light swan]

reminder that archipogo is awesome

[split cape]

Smart brick not included

[ancient mortar]

thankfully thats just lego star wars that uses those awful things

this is an older set

[opaque sigil]

a fun guilty pleasure ngl

[split cape]

Tripling the price and the characters say nothing but gibberish

[ancient mortar]

i've given up on lego star wars mainly because the sets are getting pricehiked and dropping in quality vastly. which sucks as they did release one of the best sets of all time not too long ago but now thats retired

[split cape]

Almost 100 dollars btw

[ancient mortar]

lego castle figures are very affordable as you can buy the parts individually on the lego website.

[light swan]

archipoglaze

[ancient mortar]

don't get me started on those fucking things

[light swan]

imagine having a sniper rifle as your down atyack

[split cape]

Intercontinental ballistic airstrike

[opaque sigil]

The range is crazy after playing mio lol

[ancient mortar]

Architect would be so cool if they fixed red tools...

[opaque sigil]

I think it’s totally possible to have fun with red tools you just gotta have some restraint

It’s also one of the reasons I like volt spear

[light swan]

reminder that each pogo deals 2x damage here

[opaque sigil]

It’s not super spammable you kinda gotta find openings

[light swan]

yk architect with warding bell silkshot is crazy cool

[split cape]

Why couldnt we just bind gms after beating the shit out of lost lace

[light swan]

no silk skills? make your own!

[opaque sigil]

Which silkshot do you prefer (there is a correct choice)

[light swan]

claw mirrors multibinder turns bind into a makeshift exthreadstorm

[light swan]

og fay

[split cape]

The glock variant

[opaque sigil]

Based

[light swan]

warding bell makes cross stitch

and silkshot makes silkspear

the silk economy is tough but that’s why it’s fun

[light swan]

low-key even if archipogo is slow, knowing each one deals 2x damage makes it so worth it

it’s still not as good as hunter or witch pogo but it’s very much up there

[opaque sigil]

It being slow can be to your advantage since you can stall and have control over timing

[light swan]

yea that’s why it’s so fun in flea bounce

[opaque sigil]

I’m a big fan of architect moveset I mostly didn’t use it much because of shell shards

[light swan]

hunter pogo still gets the benefit of wavedash turnarounds for uh 4.25x damage in one quick combo but it’s a bit more situational, witch pogo is always a flat 2.25x damage

architect is 2x but slower and more situational but i low-key tjink it might be on the upper half of pogos

[opaque sigil]

It gets cool points anyhow

[light swan]

beast pogo is great even tho less damage, outside of that the rest of the pogos arent nearly as good

[light swan]

yea definitely

sniper rifle pogo :D

[opaque sigil]

So satisfying to nail hits

[copper hedge]

she's stained with void

[earnest drift]

in a way we do
and we use all that power to escape

actually wait

[light swan]

we take her silk but we don’t bind it into ourselves

like regular enemies we take their silk but we don’t bind them

[earnest drift]

if hornet didn’t want to rescue lace she could’ve just binded gms’s power and escaped the abyss with that power
and she doesn’t have to rescue lace

[ancient mortar]

I just wish they werent so unbalanced

[earnest drift]

although that would only get her as far as the silk soar anyway

so she’d still need the knight to save her

and the knight would save lace anyway so she’s still stuck with her lol

[opaque sigil]

It’s a single player game, you can use what’s fun

[light swan]

ok good night guys i’ll leave y’all with a verdania

past pharloom dlc when

[opaque sigil]

Enabling an unfun way to play and being exclusively compatible with an unfun way to play are different things and while red tools definitely do the former I don’t think they do the latter

[light swan]

me vs parries

[earnest drift]

balance everything with straight pin as the norm

[ancient mortar]

I think even with singleplayer games different playstyles should be generally balanced. people will choose different builds and crests for their playstyle and i think it sucks if peoples experience with the difficulty will be so vastly different based on if they find the "good" crests and tools or not. Having your experience being so vastly harder if you don't pick one of the meta crests probably sucks for less experienced players. especially if they don't have fun with the powerful options

[raw pawn]

Who up hollowing they knight

[opaque sigil]

I mean that’s kind of the point? Part of the reason powerful things exist is so people can find them to make things easier if they’re struggling, that’s a feature not a bug

TC said that themselves in an interview

[earnest drift]

hollow knight is called hollow because the narrative is empty and underwhelming

[orchid locust]

i mean i only know about spiderheck i’ve never played it

also how do i see that hours view on steam

[ancient mortar]

At least for crests i feel they should be generally in line with eachother so if a player finds a crest like reaper that they enjoy their game isnt made significantly harder, pushing them into using a build they might not find very interesting. And specific tools should be the best options for specific situations rather than being the best for all situations, i feel like theres only really a few good red tools. theres not really much point in using certain tools if they are immediatly overshadowed by other options you can get even earlier.

[opaque sigil]

Aside from reaper I think crest balance is pretty ok

[raw pawn]

User doesn't check out

[earnest drift]

I don’t mean silksong btw, just hollow knight

[opaque sigil]

I agree red tools don’t have parity but I also think it’s inevitable and would rather have more interesting options than more effective ones

[raw pawn]

[ancient mortar]

i think a lot of games suffer from their meta playstyle being less engaging than most theres a saying about players optimizing the fun out of a game when given the opportunity.

[opaque sigil]

Sure but to some extent players also should follow the fun

[lavish apex]

i think this series is less of a victim of that than most tbh

[opaque sigil]

It’s an inevitable consequence of options for player expression that metas will arise

And sure they could nerf red tools but that would just make red tools unusable for people who are currently using them in fun ways

[ancient mortar]

sure its inevitable but the gap shouldn't be so wide. Like a lot of the tools serve the same purpose of projectile spam, with only a few feeling truly unique from the rest. i think a smaller variety of tools with more individual roles would have been more interesting and easier to balance. it feels like the damage some tools can achieve outmatches every other by such a wide margin it feels like handicapping yourself to use anything else.

[opaque sigil]

Sure I agree they should be more diverse

Totally

[ancient mortar]

like i think at high levels for challenges in the original game there was essentially one good build to use.

and i think that sucks

when games get hard people will flock to the strongest option, and when theres one clear set of winners that can all be used at once it feels like it kills the variety.

like when i was doing p5 it or radhog i never had a reason to experiment with builds because theres a few charms that were so obviously better than the rest. i think red tools have that same balancing issue where the more interesting and creative options are overshadowed by options that are objectively way stronger and better to use