sk-discussion

[earnest drift]

needle strike is better for that reason

[burnt pagoda]

honestly even if you dont like the boss much overall the experience of fighting him the first time is unmatched

[leaden delta]

ddx. surely we agree that first sinner like is not allat right

[elfin pumice]

TRROOOOOO-

[balmy talon]

omg i jsut realised is that her head

[fiery burrow]

strength is only cracked in godhome tbf

[tawdry valley]

Lots of bosses have some kind of give and take regarding arena pressure. NKG is a great boss, but I don’t know if that’s in spite of or because they teleport off screen before and after every attack

[burnt pagoda]

i say this as someone who didnt have much trouble with him either

[final furnace]

the only way to know u cant die to shakra is by having lost to shakra before, l bozo lmao /jk

[near mirage]

just beat tormented trobbio 🥹

[trim estuary]

DDX. Surely we agree First Sinner IS all that

[balmy talon]

how is she so big

[final furnace]

k

[sinful glen]

damn…. ya got me there

[balmy wraith]

we need to teach hornet vengeful spirit

[near mirage]

is dark mirror a seperate item

[tawdry valley]

I have entered first sinner’s room twice, I have beaten them twice. They were the LAST boss I found in my main save, I’d say that my chance to have a decent opinion of them was shot

[elfin pumice]

There’s a reason why she’s called first sinner, cuz it’s a sin not to beat her first try

[burnt pagoda]

its a direct upgrade to claw mirror

[earnest drift]

get groal to teach her since the knight is so bad at it

[hardy tangle]

my biggest problem with nkg is he doesnt introduce new attacks throughout the fight so he just feels like a 2nd phase of grimm

[near mirage]

oh

[final furnace]

well im going to jail

[sinful glen]

also its crazy some ppl think bell eater is an enjoyable fight

its a pooping butt worm wake up people

[earnest drift]

fun fact shade soul canonically deals quarter mask damage

[near mirage]

i wonder what if you dont have claw mirror and get dark mirror

[fiery burrow]

list of people who think bell eater is an enjoyable fight:

[tight viper]

Bell Eater is meh

[earnest drift]

bell eater is like radiance, so much aura, abysmal gameplay

but bell eater loses even its aura when its sticks its butt out to poop

[near mirage]

Ts lowkey bell eater

[hardy tangle]

you lose aura when your anal butt hole is on screen half the time

[tawdry valley]

A very rudimentary opinion of FS is that they’re kinda spammy projectilewise, BUT I really like the way the tempo of the fight changes once they threaten to pull off a bind. @trim estuary @leaden delta

[opaque sigil]

Silksong fans will convince themselves fotf is a good boss

[tight viper]

It is

[heady iron]

Lugoli loses aura 💔

[sinful glen]

bro he has literal EXPLOSIVE DIARRHEA he has NO aura

[near mirage]

voltwyrm

[tight viper]

FotF is good

[earnest drift]

not hard when it's the equivalent of flukemarm

[heady iron]

@ ttacco

[near mirage]

voltwyrm and FoTF be so MID

[opaque sigil]

They’re not mid they’re ass

[tawdry valley]

NKGs design forces precision out of the player. Changing that tempo right at the end would be pretty nasty - the fight is hard enough. That being said I do think PV is the better “””NKG style boss””

[near mirage]

why did i type H 😭

[hardy tangle]

hi im fotf im only kinda difficult cus you cant get silk in my fight

[earnest drift]

seeing a massive, armoured centipede snake around the bellways was amazing
but pooing as an attack removes all of it

[sinful glen]

at least fotf has aura unlike flukemarm

[balmy wraith]

maybe the true song was the silk we made along the way

[earnest drift]

similarly to how having piss yellow orbs removes all of radiance's aura

[tight viper]

FotF is unique and fun

[burnt pagoda]

father of the flame when i fucking delvers drill him

[tawdry valley]

Voltwrym was okay. They just needed to not be an act 3 fight

[leaden oxide]

I missed an act two boss I am ashamed.

[hardy tangle]

yeah i love pv cus it actually introduces attacks and gets harder as the fight goes, when i beat nkg i was like oh thats it?

[stark oar]

it's 2026 and I'm still fighting with people about phantom's pronouns (they think they're not nonbinary despite using exclusively they/them pronouns)

this fandom sucks

[burnt pagoda]

you can fight voltwyrm in act 2

[opaque sigil]

That’s true of half the act 3 shit

[sinful glen]

fotf also has tuff boss theme

[balmy talon]

https://youtu.be/qhlNEpVY3TQ?si=kq4rAbPBPZwxPMro

[hardy tangle]

not saying nkg is easy i just thought it was harder

[leaden delta]

ah unlucky

[leaden oxide]

Speak of the devil that’s the boss I missed 💀

[tawdry valley]

I don’t see why that matters. And NKG slaughters the player in 30 seconds if the player isn’t currently at a level where they can near hitless him

[leaden delta]

its just nkg again

[earnest drift]

there are no good bosses

[fiery burrow]

bro just stirring the pot

[final furnace]

father of the flame has a theme?

[trim estuary]

[leaden delta]

its legally different nkg

[stark oar]

me or them?

[hardy tangle]

the boss feels the same for the whole thing its not that fun

[earnest drift]

radiance is abyss shriek simulator

[hardy tangle]

my heartrate is the same cus its not getting any harder

blah blah it feels like a dance

[tawdry valley]

So do most other fights. NKG also changes the pace of the fight with their puffer attacks.

There’s nothing wrong with a good boss that happens to zone you in

[hardy tangle]

and is the pufferfish a fun attack 😭

[tawdry valley]

Yeah I’d say so

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

[final furnace]

in nkg i nohit most of it sometimes, but the 🫃 attack always hits me

[hardy tangle]

idk i think i prefer hitting the boss

[burnt pagoda]

nkg is the first superboss in the game compared to pv which is like basically at the very end of the game so i think nkg can have a free pass here

[earnest drift]

don't superbosses need to be hard

[tawdry valley]

You can hit them during puffer lol

[leaden delta]

ehhh i do not like puffer

[heady iron]

hoping sea of sorrow introduces something harder than lost lace

[hardy tangle]

with spells and its super risky

[final furnace]

only with abyss shriek

[burnt pagoda]

yeah but not all superbosses are created equal

[earnest drift]

constant triple mask damage please...

[tawdry valley]

You want variety there’s variety

[leaden delta]

i wish the pace didnt fucking explode when he pops puffer

[tawdry valley]

It’s “risky” entering the boss arena, you can still do that

[hardy tangle]

i want to hit it with my nail

[earnest drift]

attacks taking up more of the top half of the arena please...

[trim estuary]

true. very few reach the level of aoe

[leaden delta]

if puffer was more interesting of an attack aggro wise id like it more, i think

[tawdry valley]

Imo just have him do it less

[opaque sigil]

Yeah doing it twice would be better

[hardy tangle]

like what if nkg got faster as the fight went wouldve been so peak

[tawdry valley]

but honestly it’s fine

[leaden delta]

sure ig

[burnt pagoda]

pufferfish is fine imo

[tawdry valley]

This is dumb

[burnt pagoda]

its a good break from the fast paced fight

[stark oar]

for sure

[hardy tangle]

this fucking sucks actually

[leaden delta]

id rather just do my thing though. breaks up the fight more

[tawdry valley]

Yes

[leaden delta]

well, a combo of both would be the best, otherwise you just lock him in a puffer cycle

[hardy tangle]

so you gonna epxlain

[stark oar]

yeah

[final furnace]

dreamnail is most op weapon of the game in nkg fight trust

[tawdry valley]

No boss uses the same attack pattern cues but at a higher speed for what should be obvious reasons

[final furnace]

it does 9999 damage

[hardy tangle]

ok so theres just no way to improve nkg its forever a good boss fight and not a great one

[opaque mirage]

Any tips about this location? I got a little lost in moss grotto

[tawdry valley]

The only boss to do that is yes, harder

[final furnace]

isnt that in bellhart wtf

[near mirage]

just defeated broodmother because i forgot to in act 2

[balmy talon]

grimm iss hot

[hardy tangle]

not obvious

holy vague

[earnest drift]

is pure vessel good

[trim estuary]

can you choose hotter bugs please

[hardy tangle]

ragebait incoming

[trim estuary]

PV is my favorite HK boss

[near mirage]

iselda

[final furnace]

imagine someone said flukemarm

[balmy talon]

ok hear me out guys

[trim estuary]

No stop I don’t want to

[earnest drift]

yes but hk bosses have a very low standard so is their best boss even good

[opaque sigil]

Using the same cues and changing the attack timing is just lying to the player and punishing them for actually learning the fight and relying on that knowledge

[burnt pagoda]

ass jim

[trim estuary]

[heady iron]

I think more bosses need summoned savior's untelegraphed dash attack

[trim estuary]

Margit??

[earnest drift]

pure vessel tends to stand still a lot and let you whale on them a lot

[tawdry valley]

Improvements to NKG I would make, even though I think the fight is fine:
-a changing arena. The boss can teleport off screen but the player should still be able to manage their advantage between teleports.
-less uses of puffer. It might be thematically cool if it was a later in the fight surprise attack, sure. But right now 3 forced puffers is annoying, even though it changes the tempo of the fight

[leaden delta]

yea. gpz and absrad r good fights

[earnest drift]

and the two attacks they gain throughout the fight are the easiest to dodge

[fiery burrow]

Which boss is this

[earnest drift]

focus attack is just letting you hit two shade souls and quick slash 4 times

[opaque sigil]

This is about hypotheticals

[hardy tangle]

is pufferfish IS annoying

[fiery burrow]

Ah

[final furnace]

what is gpz

[tawdry valley]

Because training the player to do something and then punishing them for doing it is mean. It’s also lazy - absolute radiance is the main example of a sped up fight and it’s kinda terrible

[burnt pagoda]

i disagree
those kind of attacks are the game's way of checking if the player isn't just autopiloting and keeps the fight from being boring once mastered

[leaden delta]

Grey prince zote

[balmy talon]

i like soul master

[hardy tangle]

i agree absrad fucking sucks

[balmy talon]

or tyrent idk his name

[final furnace]

lol i just remember he existed

[earnest drift]

all hk bosses are bad actually

[tawdry valley]

I certainly wouldn’t remove it, again I like the fact he has a break in pace.

[balmy talon]

his fitht is so awesome

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it’s a nice break on top of the staggers

[tawdry valley]

He should just do the same thing less, or break tempo differently

[burnt pagoda]

this only applies to attacks that are delayed however, attacks coming out faster than usual are kinda bullshit i agree

[opaque sigil]

Attacks being faster is in fact what the convo was about but arbitrary delays also are annoying

[hardy tangle]

id make pufferfish more interactive like some way to do damage idk maybe he occasionally shoots a projetcile you can deflect rn its just dodging and its boring

[final furnace]

your username is fake info i think, respect

[burnt pagoda]

oh i see

[fiery burrow]

The flame pillars are already a tempo break which are better in the sense that you can still maintain your offensive

[tawdry valley]

Bro you can land spell combos

[earnest drift]

only good fight is flukemarm, she doesn't speed up so she doesn't punish the player for learning, and she doesn't teleport or move so she's always available for you to hit her
she rewards good positioning by letting you hit her with abyss shriek if the player is smart enough to go below her

[tawdry valley]

Playing passive is explicitly gonna be more boring. start weaving in casts, Jump up over the first two rows

[hardy tangle]

like one spell and id rather save soul for spamming ddarks

[final furnace]

over the what

[tawdry valley]

NKG is honestly not even a fight I’d Ddark often in anyways

[final furnace]

i think bro died

[tawdry valley]

I have no idea what happened

My message pasted into itself?

[void moat]

crust king khann she gon call me baby boo cover

she gon she gon call me baby baby boo she gon gon call me baby boo

[earnest drift]

i hate ai music covers

[hardy tangle]

there was a time where my recommended was filled with not like us ai cover slop

[void moat]

most ive seen are just taking the voice clip and pasting it into the instrumental it's funny

[hardy tangle]

shit actually pissed me off

[void moat]

if people are ai-ing it that sucks though

[hardy tangle]

aye eye

[fiery burrow]

Merzbow then vs Merzbow now 🥀

[void moat]

bringing down the aye aye's name 💔

[balmy talon]

imagine defeating krust king khann with enemy and boss randomiser on

[fiery burrow]

oh like vocal covers

[balmy talon]

(sorry i cant fucking spell)

[hardy tangle]

do not abbreviate krust king khann

[void moat]

theres this trend where people take the vocals of this one song (i dont actually know its name) and cut them up and put them into songs it's really funny

[earnest drift]

i still don't understand why this means the snail shamans don't deal with void, two shamans give the knight void spells, and the third one that doesn't come from a shaman gets this reaction instead, so why does this mean the snail shamans don't use void

[balmy talon]

i love kkk fight

[hardy tangle]

at least youre fighting them

[balmy talon]

yeah exactly

[fiery burrow]

its crust this joke is so forced 💔

[balmy talon]

im not ameircan dont quote me

[balmy talon]

I DIDNT KNOW

wow

[hardy tangle]

abyss shriek is like built different or some

[void moat]

how brandon lieu feels after his character who already got his entire area gutted is now being used exclusively in the fandom for kkk jokes

[final furnace]

why what does it mean

[earnest drift]

who made it? i thought it was the vessels crying out for being abandoned in the abyss

[void moat]

the kkk is a racist group

[burnt pagoda]

unless ur filipino

then the kkk means something else

[opaque sigil]

The sharpe backer playing the game expecting his contribution to appear because tc didn’t even tell them it wasn’t in the game

[hardy tangle]

idk bro the void civilzation or something

[final furnace]

what does it mean

[hardy tangle]

i think the shade cloak giving thing is related

[burnt pagoda]

different group that isnt racist

[earnest drift]

anyway why do people say this means snail shamans don't use void when two snail shamans literally give the player void spells

[heady iron]

so like a good kkk

[void moat]

if his wife hadnt played silksong he wouldnt even know 😭

[worldly umbra]

kit kat klub

[hardy tangle]

my family had a group chat named kkk cus they didnt know what it meant and i had to beg them to change it

[final furnace]

absolute peak

[grizzled abyss]

genuine question: how the fuck do so many people pronounce trobbio's name incorrectly, it's like the only fucking thing he says

[worldly umbra]

abslolute twib

[final furnace]

Absolute Twib

[balmy wraith]

didnt we have this conversation before

or well someone did

[burnt pagoda]

yeah its like. the group that revolted against spanish colonizers or wte

[void moat]

tk getting void spells from the shamans is very explicitly referred to as tk fusing their essence with the shaman spells

[final furnace]

abslolute

[opaque sigil]

It’s rage bait just ignore it

[balmy wraith]

ik

[void moat]

https://www.tiktok.com/@mo_blossom/video/7609007968251579661?_r=1&_t=ZP-949CuvqwzBn this so funny

[balmy wraith]

i can see ragebait from a mile away

[rocky jolt]

retconsong

[heady iron]

I am not watchiing tiktok

[final furnace]

same

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

[earnest drift]

but if the knight already has vengeful spirit, and the void is their essence, then what does the snail shaman that provides the shade soul have to do with the process

[grizzled abyss]

but would you watch tiktik

[hardy tangle]

mfs will say this and then open yt shorts

[icy crow]

This game got its own variant of Hunter lol

[worldly umbra]

baby boo joke is being dragged

[heady iron]

this looks like mario

[void moat]

probably a catalyst which allows tk to fuse with it cause their bodies hold great power

[worldly umbra]

a girl at my school made a baby boo POSTER for a basketball game at my school bruh

[final furnace]

what was it

[vale whale]

mfs say hornet's journal entries are bad

[worldly umbra]

i forgot to add it im dumb

[earnest drift]

that sounds way more stretched than to say the snail shamans were dealing with void in hk

and what about descending dark

[vale whale]

the hunter killed his dog and his siblings

[final furnace]

what is baby boo and why is everyone talking about it

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[fiery burrow]

Yeah Hunter was evil asf but he was lowk a chill guy you could probably have fun hanging out with idk if you could say the same for Hornet

[void moat]

"What's this? My vengeful gift has warped within you. You've twisted it into something... else.
Ohohohoh! I knew it. My friend! You're a marvel. Your essence has melded with the spell.
You must have found a powerful source to transform it in such a unique, expressive way."

the ancestral mound shaman states it

[frail geode]

TSLL I FINNALY BEAT FRICKING GROAL THE AHH

[opaque sigil]

🎣

[balmy wraith]

groal the AAAUUUUUGGHHH

[fiery burrow]

Hornet is just a dork who happens to be racist

[frail geode]

He was so bad bro

[earnest drift]

You must have found a powerful source to transform it in such a unique, expressive way.
and this can't imply the snail shaman that gives shade soul was working with void in any way?

[balmy talon]

hornet is lowkey evil

[final furnace]

lowkey?

[heady iron]

claiming ragebait for someone who literally says they aren't a ragebaiter

[void moat]

he states tk melded their essence with the spell in the text before idk what to tell you

[worldly lake]

genuinely when i saw that maggot entry i was like "there's no way we're talking about hornet's hunter journal entries when hollow knight got us saying shit like this"

[balmy wraith]

just dont fall for it

[worldly umbra]

she goes into the dreams of a gay bug and kills him inside of it and takes his heart to be used a decoration "lowkey" is being generous

[void moat]

https://tenor.com/view/w-speed-spam-w-speed-meme-w-speed-spam-speed-meme-gif-15955918058300702785

[earnest drift]

but then what did the snail shaman even have to do with it and why does this mean the snail shamans aren't at all related to void

[void moat]

she's also racist and destroys the environment

[earnest drift]

and what about descending dark

[balmy wraith]

used the last of my money to buy sonic frontiers

[earnest drift]

void is from the knight
vengeful spirit is from the first shaman
so wtf is the shade soul shaman offering???

[worldly lake]

she also murders children

[balmy wraith]

wtf is a shade soul shaman is the real question

[earnest drift]

the tortured soul in soul sanctum

[vale whale]

the guy they crucified lmfao

[balmy talon]

yeah she also kills all of verdania in front of the green prince

[balmy wraith]

prob just got dipped into void

[balmy talon]

if you get hunters journal

[zealous elk]

"strange. no mate has come forth to stay by my side..." sigma alpha wolf hunter over here 😂 😂 😂 ✌️ ✌️ son 😂 ✌️ ✌️ bro is NOT a loner timmy toughknuckles 😂 😂 ✌️ ✌️ 😂 😂 ✌️

[void moat]

like i said the power their body holds probably just allows tk to be able to meld their essence with the spells, and for descending dark it's possible his fourth aunt's power lingers on tk in some way

[balmy talon]

shes just a complete environmental hazard

[final furnace]

dont you need the king's brand to get access to the void

[cerulean kettle]

I knew there was a difficulty spike from act2 to act3 but holy crap bro 😭

[worldly lake]

she can't even claim self defense with the squirrm and the cragglites

[void moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/643952812975325185/1163111891342729266/ezgif.com-video-to-gif_1.gif

[worldly lake]

that shit was deliberate

[worldly umbra]

probably because you are FUCKING crazy and kill people for FUN

[hallow rover]

they were making sounds she didn’t like

[balmy talon]

yk hornet would probably get through pharloom fine if she just didnt murder everything

[balmy wraith]

that shaman prolly is the pale king

[worldly umbra]

and he wonders why he dosent have a mate

[earnest drift]

but what is that "power" if it's not void

[final furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1474939403179921603/temp_FetusSaid.gif

[earnest drift]

like this just seems like a lot of stretching to say that shamans dealing with void is a retcon

[void moat]

soul magic or something idk

shamans already pull spells out of their ass with elegy of the deep

[opaque sigil]

It’s soul even in silksong they say their power is all of soul

[earnest drift]

but the knight already has the soul magic (vengeful spirit and desolate dive)

[balmy wraith]

shamans can do whatever they want, they have creative mode

[balmy talon]

didnt shamens literally give a soul spell though

not void

[burnt pagoda]

that third one is ??????? did hornet fucking kill her pets what

[earnest drift]

if the shaman's power is being able to mix void with soul magic, is that not shamans dealing wih void??

[earnest drift]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

[void moat]

tk's essence melds with the pre-existing soul spells the shamans give, it's more likely the shamans give tk enough power for themself to be able to do that

[opaque sigil]

That is what the shaman says yes

[void moat]

ancestral mound shaman implies tk intentionally fused their void with the spell anyway

[earnest drift]

...if the shamans have the power to mix soul spells with void, isn't that the shamans dealing with void?

[opaque sigil]

But hollow knight fans can’t read

[worldly umbra]

thats hunter saying that

[worldly lake]

"my siblings are gone and i have no mates" just tell us about the enemy bro 😭 🙏

[void moat]

What's this? My vengeful gift has warped within you. You've twisted it into something... else.

[burnt pagoda]

oh wait what

ok nvm my bad

[earnest drift]

also wow hornet parallel

[heady iron]

please take hollow knight lore discussion to #hk-meme

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-submarine-location-echolocation-gif-27080631

[hallow rover]

“Oh woe is me” ass entry

[earnest drift]

yes, the knight did the twisting
so how is the shaman even relevant if they can't provide anything to do with void

[worldly lake]

hornet's notes are her own musings
hunter is just straight up traumadumping

[light swan]

guys please take mio discussion to #sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

True

[light swan]

it does not belong in #off-topic

[earnest drift]

this "power" thing is an attempt to make it look like a plot hole

shamans provided the knight with void spells, and they're still messing with the void in sk, i do not see the issue

[worldly umbra]

wait do we know why broken vessel is a bigger vessel than the knight is it because of it being infected?

[woeful matrix]

ts

[heady iron]

this is my cue to leave

[opaque sigil]

Vessels just aren’t all the same size there are some bigger shells in abyss. They’re siblings not clones.

[icy crow]

Vro where am I

[stable pilot]

Game

Idk where

[opaque sigil]

Pseudoregalia

[stable pilot]

But it's definitely a game

[opaque sigil]

I haven’t played it but heard good things

[light swan]

yooo pseudoregaliaaa

[icy crow]

It's pretty fun so far lol

[heady iron]

why's it copying ultrakill's art style

[worldly umbra]

what does that mean and how do you pronounce that bro

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

[icy crow]

I started it like some hours ago

[opaque sigil]

Are you gonna recommend pseudoregalia and make me brutalize my wallet even more

[icy crow]

Already got slide and indignation

[vale whale]

" israelgpt generate me a character me and my fellow soldiers of the idf will adore "

generating🤖🤖🤖🤖

" your israeli character made perfectly to your israeli specifications to give you and your companions great joy is our loyal idf soldier, Sherma "

[icy crow]

It's pretty cheap

[fiery burrow]

Shoutout to Pseudoregalia for being the only 3d game with contact damage bosses 🙏

[light swan]

no i haven’t played it

[foggy fossil]

every boss in sk and hk is bad because they don't have 17258366 move

[fiery burrow]

Except for Mario ig

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but mio re requiem mhs3 is a lot for a few months

[burnt pagoda]

judging by the two words its derived from probably like. fake royalty or fake royal symbol or whatever

[icy crow]

Real

I fought a guard (that was probably the first boss) for a key and it had contact damage

Minimal contact damage though

[light swan]

i would’ve recommended xenoblade but i forgot you already played

[void moat]

this is a little weird

[fiery burrow]

Yeah that's about what I did before I stopped playing I liked the vibes though will probably continue one day

[foggy fossil]

also
FRAUD NEXT WEEK🤑

[fiery burrow]

Im so ready 🙏

[opaque sigil]

Mhm

[vale whale]

yuta in silksong?

[void moat]

im so hyped for steel ball run

[light swan]

psuedoregalia and ror2 are the only cool 3d games i know and tjink are cool and awesome and stuff to take inspiration from

[void moat]

so much cool stuff releasing this year

[foggy fossil]

can't wait

[fiery burrow]

I don't even know what fraud looks like

[light swan]

i havent played ultrakill but thats popping on the list when i do

[vale whale]

dark souls is good game

[worldly lake]

i once had a dream where sherma made a vlog of himself visiting palestine and talking about the humanitarian crisis in the region

[opaque sigil]

It’s gonna be mind blowing

[foggy fossil]

the great yuta switch up will be immaculate
just wait till sendai colony

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-yuta-okkotsu-pose-gif-11426266631782289733

[worldly umbra]

same

my friends played ultrakill and hes saying its good

[foggy fossil]

it's really cool
and banger music

[light swan]

no ppl are still gonna slander no matter what

[vale whale]

bro he kissed kurorushi without her consent in sendai the allegations getting worse

[broken seal]

gave bro the fruitiest pose compared to the manga panel

[void moat]

i just remembered how bad choral chamber's name was

[opaque sigil]

You like combat tech ultrakill is insane with combat tech

[light swan]

i already know ultrakill is good i just haven’t played it

[modest wharf]

[light swan]

ultrakill is like the best game of all time

[fiery burrow]

Probably my favorite gaming trilogy

[heady iron]

if netflix releases a huge batch of sbr episodes at once I'm blowing up their hq in minecraft

[light swan]

tbh it’s less combat tech i like and more of perfect balance

[void moat]

theyre releasing a huge like 40 minute episode covering the first arc, but batches would suckk

[light swan]

everything impacting another to create a fully realized vision

[broken seal]

but if it has a silktooth circlet equivalent ability then it gets bonus points?

[void moat]

i hate choral chambers so much because the ch's are pronounced differently so it doesnt roll off the tongue

[light swan]

witch crest for example has so many minor nooks and crannies that make it mesh together beautifully

[foggy fossil]

unfortunately

[icy crow]

@light swan just got a limited wall-jump in this game. It's basically an armor that allows potent kicks

[opaque sigil]

Ultrakill has that in droves

[light swan]

even though mio combat was better in every way i still like witch more until i discovered bop builds

[light swan]

yea you can kick off walls it’s awesome

[broken seal]

put witch crest in MIO

[icy crow]

Only up to three times though

[opaque sigil]

Healing in mio would be broken

[worldly lake]

you can just pronounce it the same fr

[fiery burrow]

MIO with healing is just Ori 2

[vale whale]

i only played ds1 but i'll be playing elden ring soon since tarnished edition is coming out

[heady iron]

ori 2 is actually good though

[fiery burrow]

Actually crazy balance because on my first playthrough of Ori 2 I walked past the healing ability pickup and the game worked just fine 😭

[vale whale]

ori wotw is fucking goated

[light swan]

healing in mio would be cool depending on how it works

[vale whale]

ori tbf is not so good

[light swan]

i feel like nacre is perfect right now

[vale whale]

not enough combat

[opaque sigil]

I mean like healing in bosses

[worldly umbra]

goofy thing

[opaque sigil]

You can sorta do it with gratitude but it’s very situational

[urban robin]

Wheres pablo

[vale whale]

isnt silksong the body

also i forgot to mention this the hk remaster is GORGEOUS

[opaque sigil]

Nacre basins are good though some of the placements don’t make a ton of sense to me

[vale whale]

god bless team cherry it looked SHIT SHIT BUTT BUTT brefore

i beat rad earlier to see it IT'S SO PRETTY

EVEN THE SUN ORBS LOOKED BETTER

[broken seal]

sandborne can be the middle part but cuz it's not an official game it'll just be a png of a regular horse in a field for the torso

[worldly umbra]

no

[heady iron]

they should've made it so bright deepnest isn't scary anymore

[fiery burrow]

They oughta remaster these blocky environments bro

[heady iron]

just like aaa remakes

[void moat]

silksong would be a shittily drawn horse

[light swan]

yea, would be cool depending on how it works

[vale whale]

btw have yall heard about crowsworn

[worldly umbra]

theres two watermarks lmao

[vale whale]

it isnr out yet but it seems sick

[fiery burrow]

Crowsworn is the mio clone right

[worldly umbra]

who hasent

[vale whale]

ir would complete the unoffiwhat

[void moat]

crowsworn is cool but have you heard of GUN NOSE

[fiery burrow]

And yeah looks fun

[vale whale]

mio clone????????

[heady iron]

I'm still waiting for lotus knight

[vale whale]

isnt mio the game where youre a little guy trying to fix a boat

crowsworn is the bloodborne-like metroidvania

[worldly umbra]

cant wait for lotus knight

[vale whale]

i was gonna say it would complete the unofficial fromsoft inspired 2d metroidvania trio

[earnest drift]

hollow knight should be a shitty pencil drawing and Pablo should be a lump of trash

[void moat]

you guys seen how hollow knight copied lotus knight

[worldly umbra]

i know its crazy

[fiery burrow]

Lotus Knight copied HK but SS copied Lotus Knight with Fourth Chorus and GMS

[light swan]

no???

[vale whale]

hk/sk - dark souls
ns - sekiro
crowsworn - bloodborne

[earnest drift]

does lotus knight have a ground sweeping attack from a background boss with no contact damage

[vale whale]

pretty cool

[heady iron]

Silksong's system requirements vs Lotus Knight's requirements, notice which one is more optimized?

[light swan]

wair i can’t tell if that was serious or not lol

[worldly lake]

pablo boutta be peak have you seen the trailer

[vale whale]

lotus knight is so peak

[earnest drift]

Pablo is the peak of a pile of garbage

[vale whale]

i read the description youre a little guy jumping around a boat finding memories to fix a boat or something

[light swan]

this is mio, no one is fixing a boat

[worldly umbra]

pablo dosent have potential honestly it seems weak

[earnest drift]

and that part of the pile is closest to the descending garbage compactor

[fiery burrow]

Man looking back Deviator was kinda peak

Hunter was fun

[earnest drift]

hunter was annoying

[vale whale]

different weapons could be cool tho

[fiery burrow]

bro has NOT played deviator

[light swan]

so y’all are in a spaceship and all it’s caretakers and functions have conpletely vanished and all the life in it has basically been neglected

you gotta restore it

[worldly umbra]

which is why i think seth has the most potential for a game

[light swan]

as little spoilers as possible

[vale whale]

big hammer razor (in the image everyone uses), dual handed holding razor, throwing razor etc

[earnest drift]

is it an axiom sized spaceship

[vale whale]

welcome to new kunlun, the home of your dreams

[light swan]

idk how big or small axioms are

[light swan]

new kunlun is a space station on a star and it’s mid

[earnest drift]

axiom from wall-e
it hosts several billion passengers

[light swan]

uh probably smaller

[vale whale]

as big as joe mama🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[light swan]

but it’s similar

[earnest drift]

there is a pipe bomb in your letter of recommendation

[light swan]

if i had to compare mio to something itd be xenoblade X but no one cares about xenoblade

except for blebbles my goat

[lavish apex]

they should make a sequel called nia

[vale whale]

nah pil

[earnest drift]

numbers in animals

[light swan]

erm nia would be prequel

[vale whale]

joe - john on earth

[light swan]

nael is sequel

[opaque sigil]

That’s an interesting comparison

[lavish apex]

nah it's like an inversion man

[light swan]

that one fluid in chapter 12 is practically the catalyst

it’s a bigass spaceship made to save and regenerate earth

[lavish apex]

also i'm really curious as to what it could possibly have in common with x, that is an interesting statement

[light swan]

the story concept basically

[opaque sigil]

Oh you just meant narratively

[light swan]

yea

[vale whale]

im never playing mio so i searched it up

[earnest drift]

what inconsistencies with hk does sk have other than herrah being a weaver

[vale whale]

the ending

[worldly umbra]

i have a cool idea for a game that i havent even shared with anyone lmao but i think its cool

[vale whale]

what a boring ending

[final furnace]

what idea for a game

[vale whale]

yeah me too i had the same idea

[heady iron]

was it the true ending

you gotta watch that one

[worldly umbra]

an idea for a game

[vale whale]

yeah its lame

[heady iron]

ok good

[graceful oyster]

Me when I have no context or story so the ending seems substanceless

[vale whale]

i only recognise like 3 of you people this place is foreign now

[earnest drift]

memories in orbeez

[heady iron]

if the ending doesn't captivate me then it's not worth it

[vale whale]

yeah this is what i did with e33 too so i could hate better

[light swan]

Ati… Mio… Thank you.

[vale whale]

JOE MAMA THANK YOU🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[light swan]

😭 😢 😭

[graceful oyster]

Imagine you looked up Skong's ending without playing it or knowing anything about it

[vale whale]

donkeg kong

[opaque sigil]

I mean that’s just bland either way

[light swan]

silksongs ending is so lame

[earnest drift]

the knight appearing at the end would captivate anyone who played hollow knight

[worldly umbra]

https://giphy.com/gifs/youtube-minecraft-youtuber-xz2t8BN0NKlFew7jHK

[graceful oyster]

You, uh, pull someone out of a sea of black?

[vale whale]

abyways yeah even in context every silksong ending is kind of lame

[light swan]

like they smile at eachother wtf

[graceful oyster]

True but that's beside the point

[earnest drift]

they don’t have mouths

[cinder violet]

What

[vale whale]

but you used it as an example

[light swan]

yet

[graceful oyster]

But anyway Mio's ending is one of the prettiest endings I've ever seen

[vale whale]

i havent played mio but if uts a satisfying ending when youve played it thats not the same as silksong

[light swan]

hearing asmas ballad again was so peak

[heady iron]

not as good as the last of us 2's ending

[foggy fossil]

the whole hornet knowing about the shamans's interest of void

[vale whale]

silksong has a very boring ending in every case

[graceful oyster]

Realism slop 3d slop

[earnest drift]

other than that?

[vale whale]

like slop33

[heady iron]

I have never played a last of us game

[light swan]

mio endings has created countless morality questions in the mio server it’s funny

[foggy fossil]

idk honestly

[vale whale]

they kill JOE MAMA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[void moat]

lifeblood and voidheart that i can name off the top of my head

[opaque sigil]

I don’t really know how it would be controversial I’m ngl

[final furnace]

and what is it about

[light swan]

questioning the purpose of life and the rights of slavery at times and stuff

[earnest drift]

elaborate pls

[regal isle]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-if-sorrow-silksong-tomorrow-hollow-knight-gif-12013056154277092895

[light swan]

well it’s mainly that mio doesn’t provide a correct answer in its narrative

[final furnace]

real?

[heady iron]

they're debating morals in a video game when there's more important moral questions in real life to talk about 😭😭😭

[graceful oyster]

I'm pretty secure in my understanding of the situation and I think the 2nd ending is the clear ideal outcome

[void moat]

lifeblood was never shown to be remotely harmful in hollow knight, like, at all

voidheart lets tk bend void to its will so having to destroy the void tendrils in silksong's ending is redundant

[light swan]

it’s up to us to decide whether first or second ending are the good or bad endings

[vale whale]

silent hill 2

[worldly umbra]

da sinclair from invincible but everywhere and you are a lone survivor and you need to find the source of the transformations

[light swan]

i for example tbink it’s ambiguous enough that second ending is the better one

[opaque sigil]

I don’t know the framing seems like the second ending is the greater good

[tight viper]

There are some references to it

[light swan]

but loads of people tjink the first ending is better

[final furnace]

i have never watched invincible but sounds peak

[vale whale]

silent hill 2 really got me thinking and i think killing your wife is bad now

[earnest drift]

the king banned lifeblood, it’s considered taboo

I just realised the void thing and yeah it doesn’t make sense for the knight to attack the void tendrils

[light swan]

people like me agree with ||shii and noden|| for example

[worldly umbra]

ive had the idea before mio ever released or found about it so anything similar is conincidence

[heady iron]

woke propaganda

[opaque sigil]

This just sounds like media literacy moment im ngl

[marsh ibex]

no he didn’t

[final furnace]

also hi chat

[vale whale]

personally i agree with JOE MAMA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[light swan]

@opaque sigil

[graceful oyster]

Bruh what

[rocky jolt]

lifeblood always showed concerning similarities to radiances infection

[light swan]

if everything is doomed ||id rather just spend whatever time i have left with the robots, my own people||

[opaque sigil]

It’s not that noden was wrong per se but conditions have changed so much (though the game itself seems to think noden was wrong, “premature conclusion”

[light swan]

and that’s what happens in the first ending

[marsh ibex]

no it didn’t

[graceful oyster]

Okay okay spoilers

I'm not discussing this here

[final furnace]

spoilers to what

[light swan]

mio

[final furnace]

o ok

[earnest drift]

heretic

[opaque sigil]

It seems pretty unequivocal that ||ultimately laying the vessel to rest is necessary||

[marsh ibex]

heretic doesn’t mean it was a banned substance nor does it mean the king was the one who placed the “little taboo”

[light swan]

honestly i don’t like thinking too deep into it i just get shii and i get why others tjink the first ending is better

[rocky jolt]

lifeblood seems much more aggressive in silksong tho

[light swan]

i like the second ending more but either way theyre both bad endings

[sick elm]

Salubra - Goods - Lifeblood Heart

Have you ever drunk that bright blue liquid, 'lifeblood'? It's a bit of a taboo, but it makes you feel much healthier doesn't it?
This charm seeps lifeblood and will certainly improve your constitution!

@kingoclowns used /npcs merchants name: Salubra category: Goods dialogue: Lifeblood Heart

[opaque sigil]

I mean yeah I get shii’s perspective

[marsh ibex]

She wouldn’t say this if it was a banned substance people don’t talk about shit like this

[earnest drift]

regardless, it means Joni’s actions were seen as something bad

[marsh ibex]

taboos are often social and considering it’s a “bit of a taboo” it was most likely socially taboo

[earnest drift]

I take back what I said about it being banned

[marsh ibex]

heretic also doesn’t mean bad lmak

[void moat]

"yeah my lifeblood plug is over there she real calm tho"

[graceful oyster]

MIO spoilers ||The 2nd ending is only bad because of Noden's irrationality and jumping the gun, which in turn is because of Lura||

[light swan]

crest of thr heretic

[final furnace]

peak

[earnest drift]

oh it just means someone who goes against the norm

[marsh ibex]

heretics are people who don’t follow the main religious dogma or someone who is nonconformist

[light swan]

i dont think he was right to do the thing he did but i agree with his way of thinking

[void moat]

lifeblood crest is a terrible idea give us the crest of the barnacle where it gives hornet shape of unn

[light swan]

if that clears things up

[void moat]

but she turns into a barnacle

[marsh ibex]

no

barnacle is voltvyrm

I misspelled that shit five times

[graceful oyster]

||His way of thinking if he was right makes sense, but he wasn't and so he ruined everything||

[void moat]

voltvyrm is a worm coming out of a rock, it isnt a barnacle

[tawdry valley]

Yes but heresy in context is almost always referring to some form of religious belief

[final furnace]

i found a better crest in my favorited gifs

[void moat]

it can exit the rock too and come out of other rocks, barnacles cant do that

[opaque sigil]

I mean yeah, but this was also ||long before the scale of deterioration we see on the vessel now, it’s dying and there’s not much time left to fulfill the mission||

[marsh ibex]

Do you know what barnacles look like gng

[final furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-crest-silksong-hornet-gif-9602637787311761649

[vale whale]

wait

[light swan]

yea pretty much

[vale whale]

where are rhe el jibbities

[light swan]

i still think the second ending is better

[earnest drift]

ok so lifeblood wasn’t shown to be dangerous but it wasn’t socially acceptable

[vale whale]

thats why this place was weird the el jibbities vanished

[earnest drift]

and in silksong we learn why

[heady iron]

tasty

[void moat]

son theyre just shrimp incased in a shell

[tight viper]

Voltvyrm's definitely inspired by barnacles

[earnest drift]

that’s not really a retcon

[marsh ibex]

don’t son me you’re fifteen

[graceful oyster]

Many of them banned for misandry, rest haven't been active

[marsh ibex]

I need a beer with this book

[heady iron]

holy based

[marsh ibex]

book n beer

[vale whale]

WHAT

THE EL JIBBITIES WHATTED

[light swan]

there’s a bit of stuff i don’t know that would influence things like ||if the vessel wouldve actually got destroyed or the time between true ending and promised land||

[tawdry valley]

So barnacles

[earnest drift]

silksong’s ending is better than dream no more

[light swan]

there’s a bit more to the story but i won’t get into it here

[vale whale]

THE EL JIBBITIES WERE EVIL

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-anime-guy-crying-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-gif-3733896697673126395

[opaque sigil]

The time between has to be like ||sub 100 years or so||

[regal isle]

true

[tight viper]

wait shit really? was wondering why I hadn't seen most of em recently

[void moat]

the el jibbities were cool i do feel like most huge arguments started with them though

[vale whale]

ASTIGMATISM WAS MY FRIEND

[tawdry valley]

I’m pretty content with silksong having only one act 3 ending but I do wonder what direction they could take with sea of sorrow

[light swan]

basically in hk disc there ws a massive argument where people were saying misogyny was worse than misandry historically (not defending misandry) and then others were saying it’s bad either way which they didn’t deny and stuff idk it goes deeper but i wasn’t there and i won’t keep talking about it

[graceful oyster]

These channels have been a lot calmer as of late

[tight viper]

they've also been way quieter

not quiet in a good way

[light swan]

no idea why those conversations were in a hollow knight server

[tight viper]

outright dead at times

[light swan]

it’s sad because now i’ve lost my main source of xenoblade talk in this server

[vale whale]

this channel feels strange without the el jibbities

[light swan]

at least blebbles and tammo are more active

[vale whale]

they were like an evil smoke gang

[earnest drift]

prolly because silksong is a feminism oriented game

[vale whale]

i liked the el jibbities

[foggy fossil]

oh man

[final furnace]

im new to the server who are those

[light swan]

it was in a hk chanel

[vale whale]

a gang who paraded around here and talked alot they were cool

[foggy fossil]

how long was i gone for jeez

[final furnace]

and why are they gone

[vale whale]

i say gang but they werent like the mafia

[worldly lake]

ok i remember the el jibbities but why were they evil

[vale whale]

apparently misandry and some of them just went inactive

[heady iron]

like the mafia but with non-italian women

[graceful oyster]

These are mussels or something similar

[light swan]

theyre not actually misandrists im pretty sure, none of them were trying to justify misandry

[worldly lake]

and why are they gone

[vale whale]

they did kick up a few stinks but they were alright

[foggy fossil]

yea

[graceful oyster]

These are barnacles

[light swan]

but the conversation ended up getting so heated that people started leaving

and then someone who was friends with the people who left started targeting the el jibbities

[graceful oyster]

I could have tagged that for trypophobia but I didn't so just lmk ig

[vale whale]

my last proper interaction witb astigmatism was when she said i was really becoming john nine sols now

[foggy fossil]

it was always jokes
nothing serious

[light swan]

and pulled out of context screenshots from way long ago

[final furnace]

yeah thats brown voltwyrm

[graceful oyster]

No, not really

[final furnace]

u aint lying to anyone

[vale whale]

if i knew the el jibbities would be purged i would have talked to the el jibbities more

[light swan]

hollow, someone who wasn’t even there, got banned from collateral damage

even though they didn’t do shit

[graceful oyster]

Hollow shouldn't be banned

[heady iron]

mod abuse

[vale whale]

what a shame

[light swan]

and then other members who were on the el jibbity side like trans tapeworm i tbink didnt get banned

[heady iron]

we should rise up against the moderators, and by we, I mean not including me

[vale whale]

this place is a quite quiet without them

[light swan]

it’s frankly a bullshit misunderstanding

[earnest drift]

trans tapeworm is banned I think

[light swan]

oh nvm

[graceful oyster]

Not saying the others should, but in all cases, Hollow shouldn't be

[vale whale]

i only recognise illusion grynne and frito here

[light swan]

can we go back and talk about silkmons

[graceful oyster]

Or Mio

[tight viper]

One second, boss

[vale whale]

like the good old days

i remember when we would glaze gurr

[light swan]

gurr bell eater duo

[vale whale]

he was like incineroar

[light swan]

op pivoter

[earnest drift]

gurr is a boring boss

[foggy fossil]

i don't know what happened that it got serious to that point
but as long as i remember nothing they did was serious

[light swan]

first sinner was calyrex

[vale whale]

ts NEWGEN doesnt know about SILKMONS

[light swan]

trobbio fotf would blow shit up

[vale whale]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[earnest drift]

I hate silkmons

[leaden oxide]

That one line attack grandmother silk has can go to hell.

[light swan]

fayforn was at the top of the meta

[vale whale]

fayforn was prime von

[final furnace]

when is this idk

[light swan]

months ago

[vale whale]

snow warning and shadow tag what the fuck was i thinking

[light swan]

like november i think

[earnest drift]

does lost lace solo everything in silkmons

[foggy fossil]

Sands of Peak

[light swan]

IKRRR

[vale whale]

she was really op

but shse took up lace's item slot which was awkward

[light swan]

freeze dry made fayforn the top 1 water destroyer

[earnest drift]

is this what ended karak

[light swan]

which really helped sun teams with trobbio and fotf

[light swan]

i like khann but he was more of a niche pic

[vale whale]

i dont think we ever addressed karmelita

[brittle totem]

guys would grand mommy silk defeat the void in a 1v1?

[light swan]

bulky strong attacker but doenst do well in the meta

[vale whale]

she was fairy-fighting right

or would be

[earnest drift]

the entire raw void? absolutely not, we see her getting tortured by it

[tight viper]

Here we go, one silkmons convo, medium rare

[vale whale]

she gets strung up like a ham by it bro💔💔💔

[final furnace]

is there like a document with all the silkmons for this or did i miss it forever

[earnest drift]

not even the shade lord controls the entire void

[final furnace]

the attacks and stuff i mean

[unkempt steeple]

First sinner psychic not ghost?

[brittle totem]

guys if we put radiance against grand mommy silk, who'd win?

[tight viper]

oh wait was silkmons an actual thing?

[vale whale]

i thought fairy was the resident silks type and ghost was phantom's

[light swan]

ew this is the newgen silkmons

[earnest drift]

grand mother silk loses

[vale whale]

yeah why is last judge dragon

[tight viper]

If she was ghost, all the memory bosses would have to be ghost

[earnest drift]

does she use a dream nail to enter the dream realm

[tight viper]

Draconic judgement

[tight viper]

This is my interpretation of the types, Psychic is the silk/soul type

[vale whale]

ground fire or something

[final furnace]

yes or no anyone answer plzzzzzzz help

[brittle totem]

ofc the person named lace is saying that

[leaden oxide]

Just beat grand mother silk with the twisted bud curse 👍

[unkempt steeple]

Goated

[vale whale]

karmelita would be a sweeper for sure

[graceful oyster]

[light swan]

first sinner is psychic ghost

[vale whale]

obviously she would have swords dance

[leaden oxide]

Why bro skull emoji me.

[light swan]

or psychic dark but i think we settled on psychic ghost

[brittle totem]

could karmerliter beat grand mommy silk?

[light swan]

like calyrex esp cux ghost is strong offensively

[tight viper]

I didn't even know Silkmons was an actual thing I just made this a few weeks ago

[unkempt steeple]

Honestly I'm kind glad for cursed ending, made me understand and appreciate gms' fight more

[light swan]

exactly, new gen

[vale whale]

newgen🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[leaden oxide]

Silkmons? I gotta hop on once I beat this game.

[final furnace]

where are all the silkmons and stuff help (in like a google doc or smth?)

[unkempt steeple]

Is your pfp from the new evangelion short?

[vale whale]

prime bell eater and gurr:

[graceful oyster]

When people realize learning fights instead of cheesing them is actually fun

[light swan]

no idea

[tight viper]

I figured bug made sense given that she's the first weaver, we see her get evolved from a Pharlid and she resembles the Pharlids more than the other weavers do

[vale whale]

yupsie doo

[light swan]

dude the meta changed this is regulation N (for newgen)

[vale whale]

our brains

[vale whale]

hence prime

[final furnace]

bruh

[brittle totem]

how hard did we all find savage beastfly 1?

[light swan]

reg P to reg N

i’m not upset tbh

[tight viper]

Also if First Sinner was a ghost type, every memory boss would have to be a ghost type

[earnest drift]

not that hard

[light swan]

why?

[earnest drift]

savage beastfly 2 was hard

[light swan]

first sinner is ghost cuz of fs not cuz she’s memory

[tight viper]

Well, not Karm ig

[vale whale]

beast hornet reviving from the dead halfway through reg n:

[light swan]

first sinner is just calyrex shadow rider

[leaden oxide]

Not very hard just annoying

[light swan]

amazing fast sweeper who spirals

[tight viper]

fs?

[foggy fossil]

i wonder how hard the game would be if i hadn't played hk first

[final furnace]

the little bitches that shoot sticky fireballs are the hard part, not savage beastfly

[light swan]

first sinner

[leaden oxide]

The fight was about as mediocre as it gets.

[earnest drift]

part of the fight

[leaden oxide]

Fuck the tarmite 👍

[vale whale]

what were the hornet crest types again

[tight viper]

oh so she's just ghost/psychic because of the funny evil horse

[rancid stag]

hello sk disc

[earnest drift]

tarmites are Crystal hunters but worse

[light swan]

gurr and bell eater were the Goat and no one can disprove it

[earnest drift]

I’d like to see the knight beat savage beastfly 2

[light swan]

top 1 pivoter and trap setter combined with top 1 arena trapper

ther types complimented eachother perfectly too i think

[leaden oxide]

Savage beastfly two is definitely the worst boss in the game.

[tight viper]

oh wait was silkmons done in VGC or something?

[light swan]

and didnt bell eater have some way to make gurrs ground type attacks stronger

[final furnace]

what is vgc

[earnest drift]

still enjoyed it more than zango and palestag

[light swan]

i had that in mind for our convo back then

[vale whale]

all fo them were fighting but their tertiarys changed iirc
hunter - fairy
wanderer - bug
reaper - dark
witch - ghost
shaman - psychic
architect - ground
beast - dragon

[tight viper]

competitive pokemon format thing

[light swan]

witch ghost perfect

[vale whale]

yeah we had gurr and bell eater duo

[final furnace]

they all make sense somehow

[light swan]

basically gurr set traps like stealth rocks and toxic spikes

bell eater trapped them in

[tight viper]

what pokemon was the stand in for gurr and bell eater

[vale whale]

uh

[tight viper]

amoonguss and something else?

[vale whale]

well gurr was definitely our incineroar

[light swan]

bell eater was its own thing

[vale whale]

fucking unit

[light swan]

imagine gothitelle but good

mega gengar but more defense oriented

[vale whale]

fayforn was more mega gengar-ish

[tight viper]

oh bell eater was a defensive arena trapper?

[vale whale]

but she had good defenses and snow warning😭😭

[light swan]

it would basically become massive mind game where the opponent could never control their sketches

[light swan]

ability is arena trap

[tight viper]

yeah

[vale whale]

fayforn when you tell her ice-flying is a bad defensive type: (increasing hp to 150)

[light swan]

i saw fayforn more like archaludon or raging bolt, bulky nuke

[final furnace]

what are types and stats and moves and idfk

[light swan]

no one cares about that

first sinner is definitely flutter mane/shadow rider

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-giant-gif-730687956497894986

[eager creek]

Oh are we back on silkmons?

[light swan]

there were other good picks too but those two were top of the format

[tight viper]

was groal politoed?

[vale whale]

we didnt conside rgroal i think

[light swan]

we’re reminiscing about regulation P

[vale whale]

he would probably be a mixed abomination

since vengeful spirits and his fat ass

[light swan]

back in november when onion and i almost fully mapped out silkmons

i feel like groa would low-key be bad

[rancid stag]

i'm probably getting an ip grabber by getting dark cloud on ps plus but i lowk don't care

[final furnace]

ye but i dont know any of it cuz im new do you have a google doc or smth

[heady iron]

can't believe Silksong is almost a year old already

[vale whale]

we were like homeless people imagining our mansion in the future

[light swan]

like there are plenty of paradox or legendary or mythical pokémon that arent used competitively

[eager creek]

Nope, sorry lol

[light swan]

i could make a doc but i don’t feel like it

[vale whale]

yeah that would ruin it

[light swan]

onion is the real mastermind

[final furnace]

for who

[light swan]

for all of us

[vale whale]

docs too organised silkmons is messy and we do fuckall

we just make shit that makes sense up

[light swan]

i mean it would be cool to have a dedicated space but it’s funner to just be kids making shit up

[eager creek]

The joy of it is in the memories of fucking around

[light swan]

trobbio still has a signature atyack that gets busted in the sun

[vale whale]

like we made bell eater top 5 silkmons you dont get that much joy from a doc

[light swan]

yea

[vale whale]

BELL EATER and GURR THE OUTCAST

[light swan]

dude crazy ass duo that works so well

[vale whale]

how did we even come up with that

[final furnace]

idk i dont really see a problem lmao

[vale whale]

guys who lurk in the ground and have terrible bossfights..

translating🤖🤖🤖

the strongest duo in the meta

green prince would most definitely be grass-fighting

[primal fable]

I just love my silksong type Pokémon

[final furnace]

makes sense

[tight viper]

I pissed off a lot of people by calling Bell Eater a Steel/Dragon the other day

that was fun

[earnest drift]

steel

[vale whale]

peak ragebait

[final furnace]

how would cogwork dancers work if they are 2 (steel fighting or steel fairy i would guess)

[tight viper]

not even ragebait, I think that's what it would be

[earnest drift]

I hate ragebait I would never ragebait

[vale whale]

steel fighting

[tight viper]

bells and hard armor body with strong sharp claws

[earnest drift]

are the cogworks made of steel? I thought they were copper or smth

[primal fable]

Lies

[tawdry valley]

Steel fairy

[final furnace]

ye but in pokemon there is only steel lol

[tight viper]

there's no copper type

[vale whale]

theyre just imitations of the princes

[tawdry valley]

You could argue steel ghost because of the corpse

[vale whale]

no TRUE love there

[earnest drift]

why is every time I express my thoughts on something it gets called ragebait

[tight viper]

Why not Steel/Ghost?

[vale whale]

pretty good actually

[tight viper]

The soul's split into both of them, they don't have a silkfly

[vale whale]

because of the corpse

[tawdry valley]

The dead dude is literally in there

[light swan]

what type was gurr and bell eater back in the day

[final furnace]

its the soul of the husband of the green prince so makes sense

[vale whale]

iirc gurr was ground fightinf and bell eater was ground steel

[light swan]

i know they complimented eachother

[vale whale]

i know they were both ground

[tight viper]

Wait you made Gurr Great Tusk?

[light swan]

and complemented fayforn too

[tight viper]

Great Tusk the Outcast?

That's actually genius

[light swan]

everything that countered bell eater gurr was countered by fayforn and everything that counters fayforn was countered by bell eater gurr

[vale whale]

lost lace and nkg were like our mega rayquazas

[light swan]

i forgot what those two did ngl

we should turn groal into sneasler

[vale whale]

nkg complimented trobbio but was ridiculously op so he got banished

[light swan]

nyleth into amoongus

[tight viper]

Nyleth should be Rillaboom

[vale whale]

lost lace was ridiculously op just flat out

[tight viper]

Grassy Surge

[light swan]

rillaboom is a pivoter and priority attacker

[vale whale]

all we know of her is she needed the item slot of a normal lace and was extremely powerful

[light swan]

nyleth is a fatass who doesn’t move

[vale whale]

i would make her more tapu-esque

[light swan]

honestly lace would be the menga gengar

[vale whale]

particularly bulu

[worldly umbra]

why did alex posess temu grunkle stan 😭

[tight viper]

Arboliva, then

[light swan]

TRUE TRUE TRUEEE

lost lace would have some op ability involving void

[tight viper]

Arboliva is pretty and doesn't move much, and it still has g-terrain

[light swan]

landing a hit debuffs stats or smth

[vale whale]

signature move takes a random stat and debuffs

ability could override all field effects and give enemy void tendrils (entry hazard)

[light swan]

no i want it to be an ability not a sig move

signature move should just be laces white thing

[vale whale]

the ball cut?

[light swan]

yea

ngl, eruption/waterspout but backwards

the less hp you have the more damage you deal

150 bp

the thing is that lace is fast and she snowballs with her theoretical ability so i don’t think it’s bad

and she doesn’t need to rely on it either, it produces a mind game about not wanting to attack lace to strengthen sig move

[tight viper]

reversal

[light swan]

and also creates more opportunity cost because that means you can’t run focus sash

whats laces type again? i feel like it shouldn’t be fighting dark it should be like dark fairy

[vale whale]

" The void is reacting to Lace's whatever item.. " (cool animation of the void slowly dragging her into the ground)
" The void was brought to the arena! "

[final furnace]

dark is cuz lost lace or normal lace

[light swan]

lost lace

[vale whale]

ehhh idk fairy is the silk type right

[light swan]

normal lace can be fairy fighting

[brave geyser]

te

[vale whale]

shes more void at that point then silk

[brave geyser]

phew

[tight viper]

the void hijacks the silk

[light swan]

well i saw it as like silk + void

[opaque sigil]

Fairy is probably the soul type

[vale whale]

i think making her dark would be cool to show she's just a fighting monster now

[final furnace]

btw what type is fayforn

[tight viper]

Soul should totally be psychic instead of fairy

[light swan]

ice flying

[tight viper]

silk and soul both

[light swan]

it’s a not so good type combo but fayforn makes up for it in stats and moves and ability

[vale whale]

thought that was psychic

[opaque sigil]

sylphs are fairy things

[vale whale]

the only nerf she has

[rocky jolt]

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[light swan]

i still think laces ability should be every attack debuffs a stat

[vale whale]

i mean sure but i do feel like the arena being swallowed by void would be sick

[light swan]

like physical attacks reduce atyack and defense, special attacks reduce spattack and spdef, status moves can reduce speed

[light swan]

yea we can still do that

[vale whale]

if her sig move is the orb slash it should hit the other enemy too

with dark type damage

[light swan]

not mutually exclusive

[vale whale]

like the void splash

[light swan]

YES

[sturdy raptor]

GUYSSSSSSSS

[light swan]

i feel like all attacks should deal smal dark splash damage

[sturdy raptor]

I STARTED SILKSONGGGGGGG

[light swan]

like 50 bp maybe more or less

[sturdy raptor]

AND ITS PEAKKKKK

I BEAT THE FIRST BOSSSSSSSSS

||fourth chorus||

[vale whale]

base lace orb slash is fighting, lost lace orb slash is still fighting but it has higher bp and the void splash

[tight viper]

if you're worried about spoilers, this channel is often full of 'em, fair warning

[sturdy raptor]

Okie

[vale whale]

which is why she's so op

[final furnace]

what is bp like the uses?

[tight viper]

base power

[vale whale]

base power

[final furnace]

o ok

[vale whale]

also hornet should have one signature move which chabges type based on her crest

[final furnace]

normal lace is psychic fairy or just fairy?

[vale whale]

so that she can have STAB ofr all of her typed

[vale whale]

fairy fighting

[void moat]

lowkey fairy dark

[vale whale]

that's lost lace

[tight viper]

nah that's tormented trobbio

[light swan]

she should have like 3 signature moves

[void moat]

tormented trobbio is dark/bug

[final furnace]

Tormented trobbio actually makes sense as a fairy dark too

[vale whale]

like silk skills?

[light swan]

1 silk skill one crest based and something else

[tight viper]

You're telling me that the depressed asshole is a Lokix?