sk-discussion

[civic snow]

Who r u talking to

[timid plinth]

50 something hours

[fringe vigil]

50h for 100% I think

[slender juniper]

2026-sea of sorrow
Early 2027-smaller steel update
Later 2027-boss rush

[jolly barn]

100

[red isle]

fuck it took me 70hrs

[civic snow]

Yea i think it was 56 hours for me

[red isle]

and i uesd the wiki and beat p5 on hk beforehand

[timid plinth]

i had the screenshot but i cant access my laptop

[strange knot]

100% took me like 80 hours

[red isle]

man im so trash i feel like im clipfarming even tho people aint even there

[slender juniper]

Yall so slow it took me a hour

[red isle]

to beat lost lace how long

[slender juniper]

[red isle]

cuz to reach gms i think it was 40 or what hours

[strange knot]

65-70 hours

[stable narwhal]

dont worry we've all been there, or is currently there

[fringe vigil]

having a boss rush would be quite convenient for new players who want to train before steel soul

[red isle]

YESS im not the only one

[stable narwhal]

i love sucking at this game!!!!

[timid plinth]

i think karmelita and hhg was the only parts i got stuck on

[strange knot]

Oh wait I did lost lace and 100% together so 80 hours

[timid plinth]

the rest are kind of easy

[red isle]

what's hhg

[slender juniper]

Dont wanna flex lost lace took me 5 or 6 attempts, I already had laces whole attack pattern memorized

[solid grail]

Use beast on Karm

[fringe vigil]

30 for me, I struggled with Karmelita for like 4h out of 20 I spent in act 3

[red isle]

nyleth, groal almost got me quit the game

[timid plinth]

high halls gauntlet

[strange knot]

I was really stuck on coral tower

[solid grail]

It's very easy with beast

[red isle]

it hink they're the only ones hard for me

nyleth is kinda a hot take

[timid plinth]

i didnt really go for upgrades so

[red isle]

idk why it's even harder than karm

[solid grail]

And difficult with all other crests

[stable narwhal]

not even beastfly or high halls or coral tower?

[solid grail]

For Nyleth I use Wanderer

[timid plinth]

beastfly was ok

[strange knot]

I love nyleth with witch or shaman

[civic snow]

I used cloakless crest to beat the game 100% trust

[red isle]

high halls was easy with wanderer and if you actually know how to use hapoon, i also first tried coral towers along with khan so like i did it all in one go

[stable narwhal]

on my first run high halls gauntlet made me wanna scratch my eye out and coral tower made me wanna scratch the other one out

[red isle]

beastly was mid, beastly 2 was fucking hard but i got it

not that bad like nyleth or groal

[strange knot]

I loved both coral tower and hhg

[timid plinth]

coral tower definitely took some time but not as bad as the hhg

[stable narwhal]

and yet you speak of skill issue

get on my level of bad, smh

[timid plinth]

probably because i decided to get some upgrades after i beat hhg

[jolly barn]

was a litelbitt anoying

[civic snow]

I did beastfly 2 first attempt i don't understand why ppl find it hard (i may have been overprepared)

[solid grail]

I always do Bilewater last because Groal

And HH after Shakra

[stable narwhal]

hhg was so much easier on subsequent runs

coral tower i still struggled a bit on

but to be fair, i was using witch

[radiant coyote]

ive lost 20 lives and 600 rosaries for one ability bro

[civic snow]

Which ability?

[burnt pagoda]

none of silksongs bosses have anything on how sinners road was beating my ass

[radiant coyote]

the claw / grapple hook idk its name

[thorn grotto]

it's scary to think that it's already been 6 months since Silksong had it's release date revealed

[stable narwhal]

nah it's that one hallway in bilewater with snapping maggots

[burnt pagoda]

genuinely started making me hate the game lowkey

[strange knot]

I always do bilewater based on my mood. I can do it right after djump or at the end of act 2

[civic snow]

Cling grip? Meaning you had trouble with sister splinter

[timid plinth]

no, im happy to think silksong

[burnt pagoda]

THAT ONE TOO but at least it was only for one area you never have to go back to

[slender juniper]

Who tf actually fights splinter

[strange knot]

Idk

[slender juniper]

I have 233 hours in silksong and fought splinter once

[radiant coyote]

no the clawline

[strange knot]

I’ve never fought her more than once

[thorn grotto]

oh for sure but still, time flies
that and it's the 9th anniversary of hollow knight in 2 days

[civic snow]

Ppl who play the game for the first time

[timid plinth]

oh really

damn

[strange knot]

I’ve got 300+ and fought her one time only

[stable narwhal]

dont jinx it, tc is evil enough to reuse that mechanic in future dlcs

[solid grail]

Me too

[radiant coyote]

AND IVE LOST ANOTHER LIFE TRYNA GET BACK
OH MY GOD BRO

[civic snow]

OHH wait but that's even easier imo

[red isle]

Everyone suffers at different stuffs bro

[civic snow]

[red isle]

The jack of all trades doesnt exist

[radiant coyote]

LKOPJIHNDBSKJRFYLOPUJFU0P9NFGOHUIRESDF

[slender juniper]

If splinter is gonna be in godhome shaman thread storm will nuke her

[timid plinth]

did you just skip her ass after your first playthrough or smth

[stable narwhal]

hey it's team cherry, we're excited to announce our bilewater-focused dlc following sea of sorrows. I heard you guys loved the maggots, and especially the snapping ones!

[red isle]

Sinners road was chill as fk what was hard there

[timid plinth]

i didnt bother skipping because shes too easy

[strange knot]

Yeah

[civic snow]

Who even uses shaman-
I mean it's good but like, still

[strange knot]

I also only fought groal once

[burnt pagoda]

evil fucking roaches

[red isle]

You dont get in the maggots as ofteb like in bwater

[civic snow]

They're very easy to fight against tho

[stable narwhal]

True, I just wanted you to feel better about your skill level. You sound more than good enough

[red isle]

Lel

[civic snow]

I'm not kidding, like i don't have any problems with muckroaches

[timid plinth]

groal was the only part were i needed reaper

[solid grail]

For the roaches I go past them

[civic snow]

U can't do that for the tack quest tho

[stable narwhal]

shit i cant find the average shaman user gif

[solid grail]

When I needed to kill them I use Snare Setter

[timid plinth]

i still hate them

[solid grail]

Max kit

[timid plinth]

even though they are delicious

[strange knot]

Snare setter my beloved

[solid grail]

(Which I get as soon as I get Faydown, which I get after Clawline and Shawtooth Circlet)

[civic snow]

That's a waste of shard fragments imo

[timid plinth]

looks cool

[civic snow]

Aight your opinion

[strange knot]

Sadly

[solid grail]

Also DD

[timid plinth]

whats tha-

[stable narwhal]

you can do that???

[solid grail]

Delver's Drill

[stable narwhal]

i thought you can only use them on floors

[timid plinth]

oh

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/snare-setter-silksong-hunters-march-karmelita-skip-gif-2857707459481665153

You can also do this

[timid plinth]

silk dive

[civic snow]

Sk's version of ddive fr

[red isle]

Temu desolate dive

[strange knot]

I love this too

[red isle]

Shein descending dark

[strange knot]

Hornet just doing 100x down fall speed

[civic snow]

Wait it accelerates the longer you fall?

[stable narwhal]

what's the best way to replicate descending dark in this game

[strange knot]

Yeah

It doesn’t have speed limit

[stable narwhal]

1. delvers drill 2. snare setter 3. shaman heal with warding bell

but wait the first 2 doesn't give you iframes

[timid plinth]

imagine that from blasted steps to moss grotto

[strange knot]

Ima try smt

[timid plinth]

thatd be cool

[civic snow]

It said in the wiki that shaman cancels its heal animation if hornet doesn't get hit/touches the ground for a period of time

[strange knot]

It sadly doesn’t continue after room transition I think

[timid plinth]

oh

[stable narwhal]

does it? i saw people diving from blasted steps all the way to moss grotto with it

maybe they patched it idk

but still, makes a great descending dark mockup in battles

[civic snow]

Or the wiki is not updated yet

[stable narwhal]

warding bell damage is better than i thought initially

[civic snow]

The warding bell timing is actually really powerful fr

You get the heal AND you do extra damage not even having to swing your needle

[timid plinth]

bind nuke with witch

[strange knot]

Where could be the longest snare drop?

[timid plinth]

is it the entire moss area section?

[civic snow]

From the top of mountfay to...uh...idk, sinner's road

[strange knot]

Wait you may be a genius

[civic snow]

Why did everyone shut up 😢

[toxic vigil]

Hi

[strange knot]

Idk

[civic snow]

Hello

[earnest drift]

i fucking love how this annoying ass enemy has just enough hp to survive a palesteel needle hit

it just adds to how horrible it is

[earnest drift]

i like snare setter

[strange knot]

Same

Should I do snare pogo only playthrough

What should rules be Than?

[earnest drift]

what about running out

[strange knot]

I’d just so inf tools In debug mode

So rules:
im not allowed to use any other red tools(since i use infinite tools)
Im not allowed to unequip snare setter
I’m not allowed to use needle or silk skills UNLESS its required for progression

[toxic vigil]

Bracelet

[strange knot]

Should I add something

[toxic vigil]

That was the ONE time i used bracelet for somenthing genuine

[earnest drift]

silk conservation build

[toxic vigil]

Spool extender..?

Interesting

[earnest drift]

for sylphsong

weavelight might be better

[toxic vigil]

what is the idea of the build
like hoarding silk to use a lot of healing / crossstitch?

[earnest drift]

healing

it's a stupid meme build i came up with to annoy my ex-reaper-main friend

wait this is better

[spark anchor]

the ultimate noob crutch build

minus shell satchel

[earnest drift]

wdym shell satchel is a crutch as well

for stacking on that plasmium

[toxic vigil]

hmm interesting

[strange knot]

I didn’t realise it was a freaking healless challenge😭

[toxic vigil]

.. memory crystal

like you got druid's eyes so you already don't care about the build being good

[strange knot]

Oh fuck, I need to give myself a silk heart

[spark anchor]

mm true

[earnest drift]

nah it's a silk conservation build

this is my tank build

[toxic vigil]

tank build as in " press attack and go forwards " build?

[earnest drift]

yes

[toxic vigil]

wait i got a crazy idea
memory crystal only ll

[earnest drift]

it doesn't work very well

[earnest drift]

is this even possible

[toxic vigil]

overdose

[earnest drift]

oh right

[strange knot]

LMFAO. Snare setter charges Hunter evo😭

Wait it doesn’t

Or does it

[unkempt steeple]

They should make a crest that lets you move, jump and attack, its ability could be whenever you bind you heal 3 masks

[strange knot]

It does lol

[toxic vigil]

they should make polip pouch work with some blue tools tbh
like circlet crystal

[earnest drift]

WHAT

[strange knot]

It also gives silk

[unkempt steeple]

Make pollip pouch work with long claw for poison nail

[strange knot]

But only one

[earnest drift]

i think this would make it even worse because if more things deal poison damage then poison has less time to proc because it keeps getting reapplied

[earnest drift]

especially this

[strange knot]

It doesn’t get affected by Hunter evo tho

[minor grail]

And since people show a lot of support to silksong they should make it immediately be on your inventory when starting a run as a gift

[toxic vigil]

i mean
change how polip pouch poison works definitely

[unkempt steeple]

True and nice pfp

[minor grail]

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚔𝚜

[unkempt steeple]

black
knight
Void

[toxic vigil]

run 1. of ll: i allow myself all damaging blue tools

[strange knot]

Snare setter only is actually really fun

[unkempt steeple]

Tool ideas for sos?

[sly tundra]

water gun

[unkempt steeple]

We can look at charms that don't have tool equivelents

[toxic vigil]

easier plasmification definitely

[strange knot]

Chat I can’t even beat moss mother healless

Oh I can

LETS GOO FIRST BOSS OF THE CHALLENGE!!!

Didn’t even took me 20 attempts

[unkempt steeple]

Honestly I do find it weird that they locked a whole charm effect behind a very specific tool usage but idk if they'll make easier plasmification a thing now

Unless they make another lifeblood tool that with the phial allows for a quicker way to get plasmified

[toxic vigil]

ok so far memory crystal has dealth like 3 damage totaal

[toxic vigil]

non red tool yeah

whether it iliterally is just immediate plasmification or just masks i want it

[strange knot]

OMG I DID BEATSFLY POGO WITH SNARE SETTER LMAOO

[earnest drift]

ok so clawline:
stacks with hunter focus
stacks with barbed bracelet
only the second hit stacks with beast fury but it also heals a mask
stacks with wanderer crits
triggers reaper extra silk
so why doesn't it stack with flintslate

[unkempt steeple]

We already have the fractured mask which is basically lifeblood core (one/two extra hits that can't be healed outside benches) and I doubt they're going to add another tool like joni's blessing, maybe a tool that when you bind at full health you get extra (possibly time limited) lifeblood masks

[toxic vigil]

knowing team cherry it might stack with poison flintslate for some fucking reason

[earnest drift]

is the knight a better swordfighter than hornet since they can both parry and hit the opponent at the same time

or is hornet better because she can parry more things

[strange knot]

Bell beast snare pogo only second try!

[naive torrent]

im scared to ask what that means

[strange knot]

You can only pogo enemies with snare setter

You can’t hit them with needle/ silk skills/ red tools

[naive torrent]

are you gonna go for 100%?

[strange knot]

I don’t think so

[stable pilot]

I got so fucking robbed of the srank

[toxic vigil]

wrong channel

[gusty igloo]

this mod looks so much easier than what is expected from the thumbnail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uWvq_9p1jI

[strange knot]

Is lost lace even there

[gusty igloo]

idk

gms attacks are nerfed too

[strange knot]

Btw I can’t hit them at all

[gusty igloo]

and last phase is just ll if it was free

[gusty igloo]

i want the original video

[fallow dirge]

lift with lock in citadel how open

[naive torrent]

go to the right of songclave

[toxic vigil]

lost lace cogflies only

[fallow dirge]

when water dlc come out?

[glad minnow]

guys is curvesickle cogfly plasmium a good build?

[gusty igloo]

tomorrow

[fallow dirge]

cap

[naive torrent]

yeah id say anything with cogfly is good

[gusty igloo]

tbh replace cogfly with voltvessels

i find cogflies rly mid with architect

[toxic vigil]

anyways any weird things i can do to get more stuff done on my max act 2 file ( no glitches )

[glad minnow]

im so skilled using cogfly curvesickle overdose build

[toxic vigil]

curvesickle is really good

top 5 red tool easilly

[glad minnow]

obv

[earnest drift]

it's so broken why is it in the game

[strange knot]

Snare setter is top 1 tool frfr

[toxic vigil]

idk
maybe even top 3 or top 2

[earnest drift]

curveclaw was fine why does curvesickle even exist

[glad minnow]

i didnt even use it

[glad minnow]

because

[toxic vigil]

like curveclaw is fine.
it falls of a bit later on but its still a fine tool. better than quite a lot

curvesickle is op asf

why was CURVECLAW the one red tool deserving of an upgrade

[fallow dirge]

how many acts total

[neon geyser]

3

[strange knot]

4

[jolly barn]

3

[toxic vigil]

you can end the game in act 2 though

[fallow dirge]

wdym

[strange knot]

should I get true ending in my snare setter only challenge

[toxic vigil]

would that even be possible

[strange knot]

No, but I’m playing with mods so everything is possible

[winged compass]

are u stupid

[fallow dirge]

dont spike ur cortisol over a discord message

[winged compass]

Nah it's been lowered already

[glad minnow]

[fallow dirge]

where find clawline

[edgy turtle]

underworks

[gusty igloo]

underworks right side

[edgy turtle]

under ||twelvth architect||

[unkempt steeple]

I don't get why curvesickle has an upgrade, I can't even tell the difference from each version

[fallow dirge]

what is purpose of showering

[edgy turtle]

it just deals twice as much damage?

[edgy turtle]

getting rid of the smell of the flies from the ||slab||

[unkempt steeple]

I love the slab tho

[fallow dirge]

the thing that sticks to u?

[unkempt steeple]

I wish I was a slab fly so I could work there forever

[unkempt steeple]

No just the smell

[edgy turtle]

ye

[unkempt steeple]

Hornet is classist and thinks poor bugs smell bad

[toxic vigil]

or just jump in water

[earnest drift]

her weaver genes shining through

[edgy turtle]

yep

[unkempt steeple]

And I'm supposed to feel bad for the weavers

[earnest drift]

no

you are not

you really, really, really are not

[unkempt steeple]

Thank god, they kinda deserved what gms did

[edgy turtle]

yes

[earnest drift]

even if they were overworked by gms

no one forced them to pervert religion, enslave thousands

[unkempt steeple]

"Oh no I have to play my harp today"

[earnest drift]

destroy environments

[unkempt steeple]

They suffered 1% of an underworker's pain

[toxic vigil]

atleast like 50% of citadel being fucked up is the fault of the conductors but weavers did evil too

[earnest drift]

conductors couldn't have done shit if the weavers didn't put them in power in the first place

[toxic vigil]

yeah true but the whole grey moor / putrified ducts / bilewater / sinner's road being all fucked up is the fault of the conductors
also whiteward is all conductors

[unkempt steeple]

What's wrong with whiteward? Free healthcare and you get to live forever

Well some did

[earnest drift]

how do we know this for sure

[unkempt steeple]

Acctually putrified ducts should be the weavers' fault

Bc of the lore tablet in the pale lake

[earnest drift]

oh yeah that

[copper hedge]

• u get free silk shoved inside you for immortality u probably didnt wish for

[unkempt steeple]

Silk is holy though, don't you want the water inside you to be holy water?

[earnest drift]

also what is bad about greymoor again? did they suppress the craws or smth

[toxic vigil]

well we know greymoor and sinner's road because they tasked greymoor with catching silk lost ( why would weavers give a fuck )

[unkempt steeple]

They used to be fertile lands before aggressive agriculture destroyed it

[copper hedge]

greymoor used to be green

[toxic vigil]

and sinner's road is basically greymoor 2 where they have to feed on muckroaches

[earnest drift]

can you show me where the game says this

[earnest drift]

oh yeah didn't think of that

[toxic vigil]

the npcs with tacks

[burnt pagoda]

both the weavers and gms fucking suck

[unkempt steeple]

I acctually have no idea what the cidadel thought of the craws

I think wisp thicket is what greymoor used to look like

[copper hedge]

btw greymoor rain is bilewater dripping down

[unkempt steeple]

Yummy bile rain

[earnest drift]

they kept some of them as pets and killed and stuffed others

craws kind of blur the line between wild beast and civilised bug

[unkempt steeple]

I would've kept them as pets too

[earnest drift]

prolly closer to sapient

[unkempt steeple]

They have a court of law so

[copper hedge]

imagine being a craw wanting to be loved, and then you get treated as a pet

[earnest drift]

also at the top of the memorium you see craws in cages that starved to death

[midnight jasper]

I'm going to get Hollow Knight Silksong tommorow

[burnt pagoda]

have fun

[midnight jasper]

Any tips I could possibly get as a beginner

[jolly barn]

get good at hollowniht

[toxic vigil]

Eternal slavery in the form of silkflies

[burnt pagoda]

unless you’re already experienced with 2d action platformers/metroidvanias you will probably die a lot

which is normal

[strange knot]

Don’t rush the game

[burnt pagoda]

yeah take your time

[earnest drift]

wait did the whiteward create silkflies in the first place

[midnight jasper]

Hmm see I'm a huge Hollow Knight fan and I basically did everything in the game

[strange knot]

If you get 100 hours as a final time it’s ok

[toxic vigil]

The silksoar room

[copper hedge]

why does whiteward have spears

[earnest drift]

ok that actually means the weavers started whiteward
because silkflies were needed to make the architects

[midnight jasper]

Does silksoar have a limit

[earnest drift]

and the weavers made the architects

therefore the weavers started whiteward

[burnt pagoda]

ive seen a lot of people say silksong is “easier” than hollow knight but i think theyre also forgetting that spending more time playing a game makes you better at it

[strange knot]

Because white ward judges you and it has spears of justice /j

[copper hedge]

cant believe Undyne was a part of it

[toxic vigil]

Wait..

[burnt pagoda]

holy shit

[earnest drift]

they're giant knitting needles for silk

[copper hedge]

they needed 7 human souls- i mean weaver souls

[solid grail]

Undyne the Undying

[burnt pagoda]

no! you’re supposed to obey me!

[copper hedge]

damn it toby!

[solid grail]

Whiteward were made for immortality

[midnight jasper]

I agree, took me 80 hours to 112% Hollow Knight and now I'm on a huge radiant run for Void Idol

[solid grail]

The seven human hearts:

[copper hedge]

the seven silk hearts

[burnt pagoda]

whiteward is literally just the true lab

[copper hedge]

and we got the other 3- HOLY SHIT 10???

[burnt pagoda]

if you think about it

[strange knot]

Wait fr

Does Whiteward has determination tho?

[burnt pagoda]

well silk is kind of its equivalent

[earnest drift]

but 600 times worse

[solid grail]

Hunter's Heart, Pollen Heart, Coral Heart, Twin Heart, Bell Beast Silk heart, Lace Silk heart, Unravelled Silk Heart

[copper hedge]

Undertale and Pharloom interconnected???

Toby Fox secretly works for TC

[burnt pagoda]

injecting silk into bugs and deforming them beyond comprehension

[solid grail]

Silk is soul

[burnt pagoda]

WAIT TRUE

[solid grail]

DT comes from the SOUL

[night granite]

The beast crest hate is unfair why are there so many beast slander-

[copper hedge]

Silk and Soul

why does it make sense

[solid grail]

UT soundtrack is peak

[copper hedge]

dont let Game Theory know this

[solid grail]

Skong soundtrack is also peak

[strange knot]

Finale is my favourite

[solid grail]

Coincidence?

I think not

[wary storm]

silksong has lower max difficulty things to do, IF there were pantheons in silksong, IF there were like 5 more ultrahard late game bosses with insane abilities (we have like karmelita, LLace and Seth) then silksong would be harder

[burnt pagoda]

i dont know what my favorite undertale track isactually no its definitely last goodbye

[solid grail]

Death by Glamour

[wary storm]

dlcs will bring hard stuff, right now HK is definitely harder than SS

[solid grail]

And Spider Dance

[toxic vigil]

Whiteward is just soul sanctum but with slavery

[foggy fossil]

it's between hopes and dreams
and asgore for me

[earnest drift]

only with godhome

[solid grail]

I Radianted UtU

[strange knot]

Cogwork core and core?

[wary storm]

niche opinion (hot take): megalovania is a cool track

[solid grail]

And did Sans itemless

[wary storm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-slander-we-cant-even-read-O6BGGuHVdmGNS4pcps

[copper hedge]

when is Spider Dance but Silksong

[burnt pagoda]

yeah i agree stuff like godhome is harder than anything in sk but when comparing the two without godhome as a fairer comparison, silksong is overall harder imo

[solid grail]

Trobbio

[foggy fossil]

take is colder than Antarctica

[copper hedge]

wasnt there a Silksong version of this?

[strange knot]

Reference to the choir?

[foggy fossil]

The Choir is so peak

[toxic vigil]

The chois

[wary storm]

idk

[solid grail]

The quire

[copper hedge]

holdon let me pull it up

[foggy fossil]

there's a Deltarune track that reminds me of bone bottom
i don't remember it tho

hold on

[solid grail]

Lost Girl - Lost Lace

[unkempt steeple]

But you get to be lace's friend

[toxic vigil]

WRONG.
INTO THE COGWORK CRALWER

[copper hedge]

here

[solid grail]

Driving in my Bell Beast right after a Vintage Nectar

[unkempt steeple]

Lost lace is dess knight evidence bc of indie game synergy

[copper hedge]

its from the subreddit

[wary storm]

only if it was a gif, thanks anyway tho

[unkempt steeple]

Nooo....

[solid grail]

The difference is I can only no-hit one of them

[copper hedge]

hmmm brb.

[toxic vigil]

Do people even do delivery wishes

[unkempt steeple]

Like the normal ones?

[solid grail]

I only do Rasher

The rest isn't worth it

[toxic vigil]

Yeah

All non rashier

[solid grail]

I only do them on my 1st save for the novelty

[unkempt steeple]

I only do the special ones anf the marrow one when I first get to act 3 to go talk to the survivors

I quite like them

[solid grail]

And sometimes the egg one for Styx too

[copper hedge]

gif version

[unkempt steeple]

I hope dlc adds more

[solid grail]

To get x2 silkeaters

[storm dagger]

SoS crest

[solid grail]

Crest of the Vessel

[copper hedge]

i do them when i need money. gotta love Fleatopia's high risk high pay reward

410 isnt that bad

[solid grail]

All your silk skills are even more OP but your heal will suck even more

[toxic vigil]

The fack that there are 7 deliveries ( and rashier is 8th ) is a lot like
Who the hell does songclave or survivor's camp supplies

[solid grail]

If I need money I just go through the Grand Reed room

[strange knot]

Yippe dash in snare setter only run!

[viscid hollow]

I do :(

Those deliveries were like my prime way of farming money

[toxic vigil]

I mean i did them too..

[solid grail]

There are 10 I think

[toxic vigil]

Even those 2?

[toxic vigil]

Uh wrong

[viscid hollow]

Yes

All of em

[copper hedge]

i still do them. money is money. gotta pay me.

[viscid hollow]

Pill and tipp hate to see me coming

[copper hedge]

i love doordashing as a red spider

[burnt pagoda]

spiderman 2 pizza minigame

[toxic vigil]

Egg, lacier, rasher, bone bottom, pilgrim's rest, fleatopia, songclave, survivor's camp

[solid grail]

Bone Bottom, Camp, Songclave, Rest, Fleatopia, Halfway Home, Mask Maker, Styx, Rasher

[toxic vigil]

What halfway home

[copper hedge]

[pizza time spiderman 2 music track plays]

[midnight jasper]

Google told me that "Shaw" and "Adino" were insults when I was searching for Hollow Knight Silksong's steam page but I really do not trust google so I asked ChatGPT it said they were energetic lines then I felt like Google was more reliable so I double checked on it and Google flagged me

[unkempt steeple]

I do survivor's camp bc I feel bad for them and wanna remenber they're still alive and well....

[strange knot]

Should I allow myself to use needle in deep docks gauntlet?

[viscid hollow]

I don’t remember a halfway home one?

[solid grail]

What gauntlet

[copper hedge]

why does that music makes me dumb

[solid grail]

There are a lot

[crude geyser]

Chat what is the best crest in the game ?

[strange knot]

Next to forge daughter

[burnt pagoda]

hornet

[solid grail]

I think I misremembered

[midnight jasper]

idk

[solid grail]

Nah

[copper hedge]

Defender's Crest is best crest

[solid grail]

You can skip it

[toxic vigil]

City crest

[strange knot]

Lace runback would be pain tho

[white bison]

defenders crest slays lost kin

[unkempt steeple]

Y'all sleeping on the crest

[solid grail]

If it isn't mandatory then you can always come back later

Lace is also skippable

[burnt pagoda]

i would argue for hunter being the “best” crest for the sole fact that its good at everything but really with the right tools you can cover each crest’s weaknesses

[solid grail]

Buy the key

[copper hedge]

fanta powered vessel vs wet fart sound effects

[solid grail]

Use Wormways

Go to SS

[unkempt steeple]

I think all crests suck and you never play silksong

[burnt pagoda]

TRUE

[strange knot]

Also I can’t hit most of the enemies there so I allowed myself to use needle there

[toxic vigil]

Or just meet her in a different location and come back to the arena

[solid grail]

Then Garama skip SS using Snare Setter pogo

Then you got to Widow

That route is my favorite challenge route because it skips 4 bosses

[solid grail]

You can get to the location only through Wormways if you didn't fight Lace yet

[unkempt steeple]

I should start doing the sister splinter skip bc I hate sister splinter

[solid grail]

Also

[toxic vigil]

Uh false??

Flea caravan

[solid grail]

You can't get enough fleas

[strange knot]

U need to get far fields flea for that

[solid grail]

There's 1 marrow, 1 HM, 2 deep docks

[toxic vigil]

Nope!

[solid grail]

You can get 1 Wormways

[toxic vigil]

Oh

[solid grail]

But that kinda defeats the point of not going into wormways

[strange knot]

I fucking hate lace with snare setter only already

[timber aurora]

I can kill lost lace

[solid grail]

You can skip her through Wormways

[timber aurora]

Easily

[solid grail]

And get all the way to SS

[night bobcat]

I love lace

[undone gate]

Which lace fight do you mean

[wraith dragon]

Gonna buy silksong and re-100% it tonight cuz i think team cherry should have my soul as payment for the game instead of the devil

[strange knot]

1

[timber aurora]

Easy as hell

[night bobcat]

My fav lesbian

[timber aurora]

I can do lost lace all bindings

[solid grail]

And skip SS too through Snare Setter pogo and Garama skip

[strange knot]

Did you not see words “snare setter only”

[wraith dragon]

There's an all binding mod for ss?

[night bobcat]

Congrats bro

[white bison]

.

[undone gate]

Don't you just place a snare setter and lure lace into it

[slender juniper]

Im extremely bored

[timber aurora]

Oh

[strange knot]

Snare setter pogo only*

[undone gate]

Which binding

[timber aurora]

Shit ass tool

[solid grail]

If you need cash then go Hunter's march

[slender juniper]

Nine souls is on sale but I dont have any spare change

Fuck

[timber aurora]

Mask, needle and ability

[strange knot]

This.

[solid grail]

You can set the traps before attacking them to provoke them

[timber aurora]

And tools

[undone gate]

Don't you also get hit when you snare setter pogo

[strange knot]

No

Only in some cases

[undone gate]

The challenge still sounds insane how much damage does snare setter pogo deal

[strange knot]

It actually deals more than needle

Needle 1 tho

[solid grail]

You should allow yourself to snare setter normally too

[strange knot]

The real issue is silk

[strange knot]

Nah it’d be boring

[solid grail]

Or you get stuck at Signis and Gron

[undone gate]

Snare Setter uses silk I didn't know that

[strange knot]

I’ll just use needle on bosses/enemies I can’t pogo

[strange knot]

Yeah, and you can’t recover it

Even tho snare recovers one silk if it hits

[undone gate]

So your essentialy fighting a very long Lace 1 without healing while only damaging her with snare setter pogo

[strange knot]

So you have 1 heal on each try

[strange knot]

Yeah

[unkempt steeple]

Silk issue

[strange knot]

Also I can’t hit her when she does little needle animation for some reason

[solid grail]

You should be allowed to use normal SS on non-pogoables, it is more in line with the theme of the challenge

[strange knot]

Yeah probably. I’ll do that

[solid grail]

Also are you allowed infinite shards

[strange knot]

I’m excited for fourth chorus

[strange knot]

I’m doing inf tools

I hate how lace is just changing her hitbox every millisecond

[solid grail]

You can try Wormways

That path skips 4 bosses

[strange knot]

Second phase!!

[solid grail]

I used it on my double enemies run (although I returned to fight doubled Lace 1 because I like that fight)

[strange knot]

Shit I died

I think I was close to defeating her

[shell bough]

silk

[unkempt forge]

Finally beat lost lace 🔥
i am freee

[strange knot]

Lwk it would be a great fight if lace didnt parry snare pogo every animation or attack

[near mirage]

ello chat!

[strange knot]

Hi

[odd marsh]

LACE 2 WAS SO EASY

[undone gate]

Congrats, LL is an amazing boss

[odd marsh]

killed on third try les go

guys shud i do gms, i sshe hard and what wanderes build should i use

[unkempt forge]

my cogfly dealt the final blow as i was about to get hit, caught me so off guard lol
cinema

[undone gate]

Just do GMS she isin't that hard

[finite swift]

Im silking it

[odd marsh]

alr

uh after gms, i dont go to act 3 right? i need to do smth else adn then i go to act 3

[strange knot]

I’m snaring it

[burnt pagoda]

yess

[undone gate]

Yea you also need to do other stuff for Act 3

[odd marsh]

is this build okay

[undone gate]

Yea it's good enough

[odd marsh]

alright

[cerulean sable]

i am so hopecored and future pilled rn

everytime i get a burst of motivation the first thing that flashes in my head is an absurdly loud version of Last Dive and Hornet jumping into the sea

[toxic vigil]

its pretty good

do you have other blue tools than fractured mask?

[odd marsh]

ill send a ss

[burnt pagoda]

we’re diving into the abyss with this one

[odd marsh]

all my blue tools

[lusty grove]

I'm currently doing an enemy rando
one of the Skarr in the gaunglet before dash turned into a Savage Beastly, and then the other Skarr right after it turned into Trobbio

[undone gate]

The sawtooth circlet is really good

[odd marsh]

im yet to explore bile water and sinners and putrified ducts

[balmy pumice]

Do circlet

[odd marsh]

for gms?

[undone gate]

Yea

[strange knot]

Volt filament is good

[odd marsh]

what to remove injector or multi

[burnt pagoda]

id run volt filament or sawtooth circlet over multibinder but multibinder also works if ur comfy with it

[undone gate]

Remove fractured mask

[odd marsh]

i NEED my fractured ask

ITS SO BROKEN

[lusty grove]

IT TURNED INTO SAVAGE BEASTFLY AGAIN

[undone gate]

Remove it, it really isin't that good at this point

[odd marsh]

ITS SO GOOD, i beat lace 2 with its help 2, ive kept it on for all my life

[unkempt steeple]

Multibinder injector band is too good of a combo for fractured mask to be the one to keep

[unkempt forge]

i love pollip pouch and cogflies sm. i like sending out one cogfly at a time against bosses since poison doesnt stack

[strange knot]

I hate pollip pouch and cogflies

[odd marsh]

i got lace to phase 3 adn just used 7 cogflies, 5 were enough to kill lace

[unkempt forge]

purple cogflies go brr

[undone gate]

Yea you probably save like 1 to 2 hp with fractured mask while multi with injector can give up to 10+ hp

[burnt pagoda]

tbh injector + multi should be more than good enough to make up for not having fractured mask i just prefer being able to get out of bind quicker so i dont run multi

[odd marsh]

but injector+ multi + fractured is 12 :>

[strange knot]

Ye I fucking hate lace 1

[burnt pagoda]

lace 1 :(

[odd marsh]

...

[undone gate]

Challange runs can make you hate every boss

[odd marsh]

lace 1 and lace 2 both took me 3 tries sadly

[strange knot]

For anyone who says I have a skill issue. I’m doing a challenge run. Snare pogo only

[unkempt steeple]

I think the poison effect is kinda counterintuintive with how most people just spam tools

[odd marsh]

well its still good cuz th emore u spam the logner it stays on imo

[slender juniper]

My city was hit by an eartquake the fuck

[unkempt steeple]

True but like I wish there was a better tool for extra red tool damage

[strange knot]

TFYM I CANT POGO HER I WAS RIGHT ABOVE HER

[slender juniper]

Theres a 4,5 magnitude earthquake in europe

[undone gate]

Quick Sling is technically more dps with red tools

[unkempt steeple]

True

[strange knot]

it’s fun as long as you don’t get damaged for something REALLY stupid

[undone gate]

It's fun as long as you don't try a insane challange but yea the game isin't designed for snare setter pogo

[burnt pagoda]

the problem with it i think is if you run it with tools that already do high dps then then the poison practically only makes a damage difference by like one or two tools before the enemy dies

[odd marsh]

i beat las tjudge just now : D

[strange knot]

Fuck, I got to second phase and died

[strange knot]

Nah, it’s really fun sometimes with snare pogo only

[unkempt steeple]

Congrats

[odd marsh]

i ebat lace 2 by onlu pogos

[lusty grove]

got Swift Step

[odd marsh]

beat

[odd marsh]

first run?

[lusty grove]

now I can run away from the 7 Groals that spawn every room

[lusty grove]

enemy rando

[strange knot]

Omg I lava dipped her lmao

[odd marsh]

oh rando

[undone gate]

I can't imagine it being fun but like how some people find AnyRad fun people can find different stuff fun

[solid grail]

I play doubled enemies

[lusty grove]

now to see what Lace turns into

[unkempt steeple]

I play quadrupled enemies

[solid grail]

I feel like enemy randos usually fall off difficulty-wise in late game

[strange knot]

NOOO

[lusty grove]

Lace turned into one of those Pilgrims that throw bells

[strange knot]

I WAS SO CLOSE

[lusty grove]

easiest bossfight ever

[toxic vigil]

the more tools you use the worse polip pouch is
also polip pouch nerfs flintslate and plasmium phial

[strange knot]

I’m sure she was like 3 hits away from dying

[lusty grove]

I play halved enemies

[slender juniper]

First time experiencing an eartquake kinda nervous

[odd marsh]

for wanderers its rlly good

[unkempt steeple]

I don't play

[slender juniper]

Any tips

[solid grail]

PP is good for Curveclaws and gauntlet

[toxic vigil]

flintslate polip pouch?

[balmy pumice]

Wrong server bro

[odd marsh]

move mroe than the earthquake so that it gets scared

[unkempt steeple]

So it's basically agaisnt how most people use red tools lol

[balmy pumice]

You think we know about anything but Silksong

[odd marsh]

only polliup

[strange knot]

Some pogo chains are soo cool to pull off ngl

[toxic vigil]

polip wanderer is not good

[lavish apex]

why is spider strings in the game

[undone gate]

I actually don't know

[odd marsh]

its good early game

[toxic vigil]

i mean polip sucks in general

[solid grail]

The threefold pin is good tho

Replace it with empty PP

[odd marsh]

before fighting gms ima grind 12k roasires rq

[toxic vigil]

you need wall jump in shellwood to get it
druid's eyes are better than pp 😭

[lavish apex]

such a stupid tool 😭

[strange knot]

Yeah btw snare setter pogo deals more dmg than needle 1
Needle 1: 5
Snare pogo: 7

[solid grail]

The only thing it is good for is the Mist

[slender juniper]

At base?

[lavish apex]

and you get it way after that's relevant

[strange knot]

Wdym?

[toxic vigil]

apparently there was a whole mechanic about upgraiding the needle and spider strings helped that but they just removed it

[slender juniper]

Like no crafting kits?

[strange knot]

Yeah

[odd marsh]

not really, druids eye is bad for me cuz i get hit rarely and when i get hit i take alot of dmg,polliup is better for me cuz i can stay far and do more dmg with tools, now i dont use it cuz i have better blue

how do i get another pale oil btw

[toxic vigil]

polip pouch does like 6 extra damage

[solid grail]

Druid's eyes are good with Beast

[odd marsh]

how many exist

[slender juniper]

Pretty good🔥 does it beat delvers tho

[toxic vigil]

its so fuckign ass

[toxic vigil]

3

[strange knot]

Definitely no I’m sure

[odd marsh]

yea but u can keep it on for a long time, u can practically chain it and it adds on

[slender juniper]

Polip pouch is 1/2/2/3/3×2 damage ,its good when you first get it and then scales horribly

[odd marsh]

how many needle upgrades are there

[toxic vigil]

its 6 extra on max upgrade btw

[lusty grove]

still no image perms...

[solid grail]

Delver counters FotF very well

[toxic vigil]

TWO DAMAGE IS NOT GOOD 😭

[lusty grove]

being muted sucks

[odd marsh]

which adds over time

[toxic vigil]

YOUR NEEDLE DOES 5
AND AFTER THE FREE UPGRADE ITS 9

[slender juniper]

2 damage at the beggining of the game is good

[strange knot]

I will probably even get pollip pouch for this challenge

[toxic vigil]

.. no??

[lusty grove]

its less than half the needle

[solid grail]

It is good as an act 1 anti-gauntlet blue tool when paired with curvesickle

[odd marsh]

i have this nail, how many more upgs can i do on it

[solid grail]

And that's it

[toxic vigil]

curvesickle is act 3
you mean curveclaw?

[odd marsh]

i think ive only found 1 pale oil

[neon geyser]

2

[toxic vigil]

2 more

[solid grail]

My mistake

[odd marsh]

where do i get the next easiest pale oil

[lavish apex]

pollip pouch is good against like exclusively widow and trash mobs

[toxic vigil]

which one did you get

[toxic vigil]

ITS NEVER GOOD

[lusty grove]

there should me more tools that get upgrades like Druid's Eyes and Curvesickle

[solid grail]

There is only 1 left in Act 2

[odd marsh]

uh the one in the same line as trobbio

[slender juniper]

Straight pin no craftking kits get a 40% damage increase from polip pouch but all crafting kits its only 15% the damage just doesnt scale well

[solid grail]

The other you need act 3

[lusty grove]

it's objectively better than nothing

[odd marsh]

in choral

[lavish apex]

if you have the deep docks crafting kit it does almost as much as a needle hit against widow

[toxic vigil]

there is also claw mirrors

[strange knot]

It’s trash against widow. It resets every time she teleports

[lusty grove]

Purple Cogflies are good against Groal

[solid grail]

It is good in tools only challenges

[toxic vigil]

80%

[undone gate]

Pollip Pouch is the most overratted blue tool

[lusty grove]

yeah that too

more tools should get that

[lavish apex]

yeah that's. almost as much

[odd marsh]

can yall tell where ill ge tthe other 2 pale oils or which one is easier to get

[lusty grove]

there should be a way to make Pollip Pouch's poison better

[lavish apex]

that's how numbers work

4 is almost as much as 5

[lusty grove]

Bile Pouch

[solid grail]

In HK there's 5 charms that got upgrades out of 40

[odd marsh]

.

[slender juniper]

Its nor 2 damage its +2 damage to your tools remember, no craftking kits straight pin gets 40% damage increase and all kits get only 15% the damage gets worse each kit you get

[lavish apex]

there is no whole number that is closer to being almost as much

[solid grail]

In skong it's 3 out of 57

[edgy turtle]

one is in act 3

[strange knot]

I HATE LACE x3

[solid grail]

I just realized

[odd marsh]

other one?

[lusty grove]

yeah true

[solid grail]

Each tool stands for 1 precept

[slender juniper]

Polip pouch fix:
+15% tool damage aditionally with the polip DOT

[odd marsh]

im ajust yt search it, ppl r too distracted here

THE WHOLE CHAT DIED

[edgy turtle]

how dare you speak those words

[lavish apex]

pretty simple concept

[slender juniper]

Is ts good

[lusty grove]

tools that get upgrades:
Druid's Eye - Druid's Eyes
Curveclaw - Curvesickle
Needle Phial - Plasmium Phial - Plasmium Phial (renewable)
Claw Mirror - Claw Mirrors

[solid grail]

PP is an early game tool for gauntlet

[edgy turtle]

which one have you already gotten?

[slender juniper]

Polip pouch -polip pouches ad it

[lean pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2TRhXbiJY

[toxic vigil]

polip pouch:

• nerfs flintslate and plasmium phial
• is pretty good with flea brew
• adds poison that dosen't stack to everything else

[solid grail]

Make PP synergize with Witch Crest

[odd marsh]

ive gotten the on ein choral chambers

[toxic vigil]

you can have both needle and plasmium phials at the same time btw

[solid grail]

Magnetite Dice is the only tool with crest synergy rn

[lavish apex]

yeah it strictly nerfing 2 of the best tools is pretty dogshit

[solid grail]

There need to be more

[odd marsh]

isint plasmium phials just lifeblood core but u have to use it banually

[slender juniper]

It needs a rework, the damage should be 1/2/3/4/5×2

[solid grail]

It's better because you can use it to save you from near-death

[slender juniper]

And be stackable

[strange knot]

21 FUCKING HP

3 hits…

[toxic vigil]

not how damage works in this game

[toxic vigil]

then it just doubles cogflies damage

[slender juniper]

..it is?

[toxic vigil]

i mean
not how crafting kits work

[burnt pagoda]

pollip nerfs plasmium??

[undone gate]

Doesn't Lace have 250hp how do you get to 21hp when you deal 7 damage

[strange knot]

Lava dip

[toxic vigil]

yes

[slender juniper]

Polip pouch attacks twice for 1/2/2/3/3 ,so its that times two

[solid grail]

PP could have a witch crest synergy

[slender juniper]

[lavish apex]

also
for plasmium phial it should let you keep the masks until you get hit but have them explode into the clouds when you lose them
and for flintslate it should keep the needle damage bonus the same

[toxic vigil]

i meant not how damage scaling works dumbass

[slender juniper]

What

[lusty grove]

ideas for tool upgrades:
Pollip Pouch - Pollen Pouch (increases how many ticks of damage it does)
Magnetite Dice - Biased Dice (higher odds of blocking damage)
Silkshot - Abyss Shot (higher damage (original), slightly higher damage and slightly higher bullet speed (Forge Daughter), higher bullet speed (Architect))

[solid grail]

There are better blue tools anyways

Magnetite don't need an upgrade

It is already OP

Spider Strings should allow Elegy to activate faster

[lusty grove]

it's not THAT op

[solid grail]

There would be a use for it for once

[lavish apex]

magnetite isn't remotely op it's just a yellow tool with an actual combat effect where most of them are complete garbage

[strange knot]

Magnetite dice sucks

[lusty grove]

no, wait, better idea, Biased Dice keep scaling instead of stopping at 10/99

[solid grail]

It is like if a 3 notch charm is suddenly reduced to 1 notch

[lavish apex]

you need to take like 5 hits to max out the chance at 10%

[split sphinx]

would be good

i can make p3 more easy

[solid grail]

You fix the bad tools

The rest of the ideas is good tho

[lavish apex]

carefree melody maxes out at 50%

[split sphinx]

...

[toxic vigil]

wrong

[solid grail]

Fix the bad yellow tools

[toxic vigil]

it maxes out at 90.9%

[lusty grove]

10.1%, it's 10/99

[lavish apex]

oh ok so that's even better than i thought

[split sphinx]

not like it matters for me grimmchilid is better anyways

[undone gate]

Carefree has an average block chance of around 25%

[solid grail]

Compass and Brooch is utility that shouldn't be changed

[split sphinx]

yep

[lavish apex]

yeah honestly if dice were a blue tool they would be the worst one in the game

[split sphinx]

it cant be

[solid grail]

Silkspeed is ok already

[split sphinx]

YEAH LOL

[lusty grove]

dice needs a buff

[undone gate]

Grimmchild is way worse

[lusty grove]

make it scale more

[toxic vigil]

i mean most are for grinding money but spider strings and silkspeed anklets

[split sphinx]

nah

[lusty grove]

Grimmchild is cute

[toxic vigil]

yeah because it scales with it...

[split sphinx]

is what i said

[toxic vigil]

grimmchild is garbage lmao

[slender juniper]

Then what was the point of sending that screenshot

[toxic vigil]

because its 60%

[lusty grove]

it's cute. Carefree Melody is ugly

[split sphinx]

explain my radiance hunter charm build then

[toxic vigil]

WRONG
nymm is cute

[solid grail]

Grimmchild allows for cheese

[toxic vigil]

skill issue

[split sphinx]

WRONG

[solid grail]

But it didn't work well otherwise

There's basically 10 charms in HK out of 40 that's viable

[lusty grove]

Magnetite Brooch should increase Magnetite Dice's odds of blocking a hit

[toxic vigil]

polip pouch
wispfire lantern
memory crystal
unupgraded druid's eye

[toxic vigil]

??

[split sphinx]

it includes weaverlings AND grimmchild and when i p3 grimmchilid snipes that one aspid upstairs

[strange knot]

Yeah

[slender juniper]

Oh, then its still 1/2/3/4/5

[lavish apex]

all of those would still probably be better

[toxic vigil]

.. no

[split sphinx]

thats just wrong

[lusty grove]

I only agree with the first and the last

[toxic vigil]

.. wispfire lantern is worse than just using silk skills

[lavish apex]

wispfire lantern at least has cheese utility even if it's objectively bad

[solid grail]

Name 11 viable charms

[split sphinx]

that depends

[undone gate]

It does deal more damage than silk spear

[lusty grove]

but it's neat, I like it, it's better than Glowing Womb

[split sphinx]

everything is

[lavish apex]

same with memory crystal, it can do damage even though it sucks

[earnest drift]

wispfire lantern deals 68 dmg per 4 silk which is more then silkspear but only if every wisp hits

[solid grail]

The bar is in the ground

[lavish apex]

dice in blue would just be completely awful

[lusty grove]

no, I mean, Lantern is Silksong's Glowing Womb, and it's better at it than Glowing Womb

[toxic vigil]

its going to take you minutes to deal do that

[earnest drift]

it is better than glowing womb

[solid grail]

2 empty charm slots is better than Glowing Womb

[undone gate]

34 is actually pretty decent damage and is a way better thorns of agony

[split sphinx]

still, everything is better

[toxic vigil]

its 4 more than parry and 5 more than silkspear / pale nails

[kindred willow]

Guys what is the most underrated boss

[toxic vigil]

thorns of agony reduced your iframes too

[toxic vigil]

seth

[burnt pagoda]

I LOVE SETH RAAAAAAAGH

[solid grail]

TOA deals at most 32

[earnest drift]

while glowing womb deals 36 dmg per cast of soul, when descending dark deals 65 and abyss shriek does 80

[lavish apex]

pollip is also not good but i think 25% extra tool attack damage when not spamming them is still a better utility than like 4% damage reduction

[solid grail]

Shawtooth is best tho

[strange knot]

Second sentinel

[solid grail]

Sherma

[toxic vigil]

ddark does 60/65

[strange knot]

Yeah?

[solid grail]

I mean the character

[lavish apex]

druid's eye (singular) is not really defensible icl you might be right there

[solid grail]

I was going for a silkpost

[lavish apex]

it's the kind of thing you put on when you have literally no other blue tools

for like 5 minutes in a run

[solid grail]

It is useful as a tool in the Marrow

[toxic vigil]

if you wait for the whole poison you will kill the boss before using all your tools
unless you do tool only then why

[slender juniper]

Ass jim

[lavish apex]

trash mobs

and also shell shards

[strange knot]

I was so close again

[earnest drift]

I think broodmother is overhated

[toxic vigil]

broodmother is just eh
boring

[lusty grove]

at maxed out Crafting Kit, Wispfire Lantern deals 17 damage per Wisp, which means that it deals 68 damage per 4 Silk strands, which is, in fact, more than most Silk Skills (specifically Silk Spear, Cross Stitch, Rune Rage (if 2 or less runes hit the enemy), and Pale Nails)

[lavish apex]

pretty sure you can cheese act 3 void masses with them

and hhg final wave

[strange knot]

Chat, can you get 2 spool fragments before lace 1(not going through wormways etc)

[toxic vigil]

its
-5 more than pale nails and silkspear

• 4 more than parry

[lavish apex]

like that's not good but it's something

[lusty grove]

and 1 more than Rune Rage (if 2 runes hit the enemy) (if only 1 hits it's 23 more)

[earnest drift]

so what reason is there to equip wispfire

[lavish apex]

just cheese

[solid grail]

Rune Rage is actually good?

[toxic vigil]

rune rage is irrelevant

[lavish apex]

that's literally it

[earnest drift]

no

[solid grail]

Unexpected

[strange knot]

No..?

[earnest drift]

it’s the only bad skill

[lusty grove]

it's better than most Silk Skills and doesn't make the enemy focus on you

[solid grail]

I mean in small rooms

[lusty grove]

okay fair

[solid grail]

Against spawner bosses

I just realized that

[lusty grove]

in smalls rooms you can get hit by the enemy way easier while you're focusing it

[solid grail]

I thought each rune deals much less damage

[strange knot]

Any upgrades I should get before lace 1

[lusty grove]

who said ❌

[toxic vigil]

wispfire is slow asf at using the silk btw

[lavish apex]

i think you can only get 1 unless i'm forgetting about some skip

[undone gate]

Also with silk heart you can have infinite silk so it's just good to automatically clear enemies while exploring

[toxic vigil]

me!!

[earnest drift]

but it’s slow, less consistent and sacrifices cross stitch defensiveness

[lavish apex]

oh
you mean

not notches just fragments

yes you can

[lusty grove]

well, in any case, it and Silk Skills are not mutually exclusive
it eats Silk so slowly that you can use it as well as Skills

[lavish apex]

you can get the bonebottom one and the deep docks one before her

[solid grail]

Also fun fact about wispfire:

[earnest drift]

hmm

[toxic vigil]

why

[solid grail]

It won't activate when you're in the water

[lusty grove]

wdym why, I just explained it

[earnest drift]

it also doesn’t activate if there aren’t enemies which is great

people who call it a worse glowing womb are wrong

[lusty grove]

so it's useless against... checks notes ...Flukemarm

[lusty dirge]

gh.ngztdr

gg gaga

[lavish apex]

its impossible to be worse than glowing womb

[lusty grove]

that is true

[strange knot]

YESSS FINALLY

I BEAT LACE 1 SNARE POGO ONLY!!!!

[lusty dirge]

gggdttyf k

[solid grail]

Congrats

[lusty grove]

congrats

[lusty dirge]

Damnmn

[toxic vigil]

why would you use both

[lavish apex]

are you good bro

[lusty dirge]

buble

[strange knot]

It took me like 15 tries at least

[lavish apex]

bubie

[toxic vigil]

counter argument:

[earnest drift]

how much dps does wispfire lantern add

[lusty grove]

I don't see a reason why you'd NOT use both

[lusty dirge]

Objection!

[toxic vigil]

???????????????????????????????

[keen solstice]

18 dmg per wisp

[lusty dirge]

ace attorney

[solid grail]

It is useful when you are doing no-heal challenges

[toxic vigil]

4.25

lmfao

[lusty grove]

I mean, you have one empty Skill slot, why would you not put a Skill there?

[toxic vigil]

...... its 4 notches to remove healing and get 4 masks

[earnest drift]

this seems like a little bit less than sawtooth circlet but idk

[toxic vigil]

why would you use wispfire lantern if you have silk skills

[lusty grove]

correction: 17

[solid grail]

Shawtooth adds like 50 100 dps

[lusty grove]

idk, for a Wispfire Lantern build

[lavish apex]

this is good for some bosses when you suck ass at the game

[solid grail]

Depends on your skill

[earnest drift]

what if wispfire lantern on architect crest

[toxic vigil]

unb heart

[lavish apex]

like exclusively the ones
that
you can't really heal for

[lusty dirge]

What is that

[strange knot]

I ended up at one hp at the end it was so stressful