sk-discussion

[earnest drift]

wtf is the no more more meme

[burnt pagoda]

i switched to hunter just to compare and the fight already feels so much better

[minor sparrow]

I could understand why she freaked the fuck out, but at a certain point you are just making it everyone else's problem

Probably at the mind control

[earnest drift]

it was like a childish tantrum

[minor sparrow]

Also do we know if gods die if they're completely forgotten?

[earnest drift]

and why did she encourage soul master to commit mass murder what was the point of that

[copper hedge]

i bet that Snail Shaman was actually quite chill 😔

[brave geyser]

Looking at her size yea she's OLD dude

like ANCIENT

[finite swift]

Hey sik song

[civic grotto]

Pretty sure the radiance being forgotten is a problem for her specifically because she lives in dreams

[minor sparrow]

Uh, was that her? Wasn't that just the scholars trying to atain a "Pure focus"

[civic grotto]

It’s like if you had a childhood friend you forget about they are gone

[copper hedge]

well except Bell Hermit. bro does not want to talk

[minor sparrow]

Yeah I always interpreted it as she'd die if she was forgotten, and she was being forgotten

[brave geyser]

Sooo is that why she's at her absolute in godhome?

[earnest drift]

i feel like even if he tried to negotiate radiance would be too stupid to understand him

she's just so
not-person-like

[copper hedge]

sure ig

[earnest drift]

well so is he

[minor sparrow]

Yeah, attunement brings beings to their peak form

[minor sparrow]

Too stupid or too arrogant

[civic grotto]

I was looking at hollow knight lore again and honestly I don’t even think the moths mentioned they worshipped the radiance which is part of the reason why she was so angry but I also think if Pale king knew about her he probably would’ve tried to reason with her like he did with literally everyone else

[earnest drift]

both

[minor sparrow]

I'm more for the latter

I don't think she's stupid. I just think she's more...impulsive so to speak

[earnest drift]

radiance just doesn't seem like a person to me, more like an unthinking primordial force

[fiery rune]

Don't wait with Savage Beastfly to act 3, he's on steriods now.

[copper hedge]

Voided Savage Beastfly

[remote talon]

im seaing my sorrow

[minor sparrow]

I want unn in the 3rd game. Just because I wanna see the big slug again

[civic grotto]

Possibly but considering his subjects barely saw him he might of missed it completely

[copper hedge]

drop the distro

[remote talon]

arch obv

with a custom monolith zen kernel and hyprland btw

[fiery rune]

He's pretty bad ass I'm guessing

[copper hedge]

a fellow arch user 👋

[remote talon]

hell yeah

howdy

[minor sparrow]

True, I also really want playable lace. My goals are conflicting, unfortunately

[copper hedge]

i should consider remaking my installation of it.

[orchid locust]

i js use the cachy kernel and niri

[minor sparrow]

I just think Unn's entire concept of breathing completely new life with her mind alone is pretty fuckin cool

[neat agate]

how many of yall have beaten silksong in steel soul?

[remote talon]

oo nice

[civic grotto]

City of steel is probably a new game location and not a dlc it seems too important to just be a dlc

[minor sparrow]

🤚

[remote talon]

how does niri even work, ive heard its not like a traditional tiling wm

[neat agate]

in my first steel soul run, at the widow fight

[neat agate]

damn

[copper hedge]

now the question would be: who would be the protag

[neat agate]

any tips for fighting widow?

[copper hedge]

Sharpe?

[minor sparrow]

Hornet can't catch a fucking break

[orchid locust]

it's scrolling; so new windows always open to the right on an infinite length plane without resizing anything currently on screen

[neat agate]

i mean the upgrades i should get

[remote talon]

sharpie

[copper hedge]

Lace getting impaled by Steel guys 😭

[remote talon]

interesting

[minor sparrow]

Hopefully lace

[civic grotto]

There can be a few assuming it’s not like hornet again

The hollow knight
Lace
A brand new character

Or Zote for the funny

[copper hedge]

oh its with an i

[remote talon]

yeah yeah

[minor sparrow]

No, that's a utensil

[civic grotto]

Actually Seth is a possibility too

[copper hedge]

pale king?

[minor sparrow]

Eating utensil, but not quite what I mean

[remote talon]

so like... you cant have two windows on one workspace? since they dont get resized they stay the screen width and height

[minor sparrow]

I wouldn't count on it

[orchid locust]

you can resize shown windows yourself

actually wait it's prolly easier if i just record 💀

[frigid river]

g

[remote talon]

yeah i think

[earnest drift]

the hollow knight is too big
zote is unfortunately likely
i want lace

[frigid river]

fff

[remote talon]

how is that unfortunate

zote is the best character in the game

[earnest drift]

because he's stupid and annoying

and egotistical and delusional and loud

[remote talon]

don't you dare say that about zote the mighty, the knight of great renown

[earnest drift]

and i don't like his face

[cobalt pilot]

Zote is nOT likely

For third protag

[minor sparrow]

I just don't think seth had enough tie-in with the story to be the next protagonist

[remote talon]

im not ragebaiting i love zote

[earnest drift]

i want to wrap him in silk and mail him to phantom disguised as their silk supply so that they unknowingly absorb zote into their body and suffocate him to death

[cobalt pilot]

Zote has something interesting going on but I don't think team cherry takes him seriously enough to make him a protag. Which I'm completely fine with

[manic schooner]

or just give em to groal

[civic grotto]

This is all assuming they don’t make it a entirely brand new character, which i wouldn’t mind if it did happen personally but we will see

[frigid river]

guys

[remote talon]

me rn

[minor sparrow]

I would personally die in steel soul 40 times over if zote is the next protagonist

[cobalt pilot]

Id the next game is in city of steel I could see THK being the protag

But they ARE too large in general

[civic grotto]

Yeah I do know that I meant for like, the future

[manic schooner]

nah thats gna be a dlc 100%

[cobalt pilot]

Eh

[remote talon]

how
they were born in the abyss, trained in the palace and locked up in the egg
how could they POSSIBLY be in city of steel

[manic schooner]

no eh

[cobalt pilot]

Eh

[manic schooner]

[cobalt pilot]

Because of ETV

[civic grotto]

My baby was born 2 weeks after silksong came out they missed the whole wait time

[minor sparrow]

The next game is a visual novel about the gay mourner

[cobalt pilot]

Eh

[remote talon]

actually true

[manic schooner]

aligh

[remote talon]

is it confirmed that thk stays alive tho
i havent seen the ending myself but they dont just show up like hi do they

[cobalt pilot]

They do in ETV

[minor sparrow]

In etv, thk comes out from the black egg

[cobalt pilot]

I love ETV for making THK live 🥹

[remote talon]

so they actually appear in etv?

[civic grotto]

The hollow knight as a protagonist can work but obviously doing that would mean the rooms would have to be even larger, or create the illusion they are even if the hollow knight is only like the size of hornet on the screen

[minor sparrow]

Their whole body isn't on screen, but their nail and the bottom of their mask is

[remote talon]

oo

[civic grotto]

Today’s subject: Slavery

[earnest drift]

i don't want the hollow knight to be a protagonist because

1. they're too big
2. that's it actually

[minor sparrow]

looks at development team yeaaaaaah about that

[earnest drift]

i want to branch out of the pale family too

[remote talon]

shrink ray

[civic grotto]

Other vessels escaped out into the waste but I don’t think every protagonist has to do with the pale king and his consequences but maybe they will pull that card and the next character will be a new vessel

[minor sparrow]

I can't wait for the dlc because it means at least 1 more cutscene from Ari Gibson

[radiant sluice]

sup gng

[earnest drift]

although the hollow knight could work if the environment was bigger and we started fighting like
mice and pigeons and other larger animals

[minor sparrow]

Nayfin

[earnest drift]

final boss is a human

[burnt pagoda]

WHAT

[cobalt pilot]

I definitely think vessels other than THK are still around

[burnt pagoda]

SHAKRA CAN SHOW UP IN THIS GAUNTLET??????

[cobalt pilot]

I just imagine they don't feel drawn to hallownest anymore

[minor sparrow]

She did in all of my playthroughs

[burnt pagoda]

she didnt in mine i think

[earnest drift]

she's so beautiful

[burnt pagoda]

probably because i went to hunter march a little late?

like after i got the wall jump

[hexed sonnet]

im stuck in the 2nd bench of mount fay 😭

[civic grotto]

Actually I was making that joke with my wife the other day about how if birds existed in the hollow knight universe they are probably like some kind of Eldridge nightmare creatures the bugs simply cannot understand lol

[burnt pagoda]

TRUE

[glacial kelp]

its if you go to hunters march before sprint iirc?

[hexed sonnet]

hornet is so stupid she isnt jumping high enough to do anything

[minor sparrow]

Mice and birds would be extremely big. They'd have to play out like dark souls bosses

[burnt pagoda]

no i have sprint

[cobalt pilot]

Wyrm fight when

[glacial kelp]

idk its some check close after sprint

[earnest drift]

nah they'd be about the same size as thk

[cobalt pilot]

Or something equally large

[glacial kelp]

maybe lace

[minor sparrow]

Idk, didn't look at the checks

[earnest drift]

thk is a bug but they're a very big bug

[arctic epoch]

i want a Zote game

[minor sparrow]

I don't think that's accurate

[glacial kelp]

hk is a zote game

[civic grotto]

What’s the chances the hollow knight comes to pharloom to try and save hornet and hornet has to comfort them and tell them it’s all okay and then they just chill in bellhart or something as an npc

[hexed sonnet]

how do i jump high with the clawline?

[minor sparrow]

I'm confused by your question

[glacial kelp]

press the jump button

[cursive breach]

do the weird fleas count as fleas found?

[glacial kelp]

what is the “weird fleas”

[hexed sonnet]

when i hit an enemy with the clawline, hornet isnt jumping high enough to get the other one

[earnest drift]

i don't think the hollow knight can make the journey on its own

[cursive breach]

Kraft vog and big guy

[civic grotto]

I’m too crippled hornet sorry sister

[earnest drift]

it would be funny if the hollow knight has game headcanon became true

[hexed sonnet]

she does 20 backflips before i can float and by then the run is already dead because i meed to go back for the heat spot

[arctic epoch]

best chance is you send a screenshot

[glacial kelp]

is this mt fay

[hexed sonnet]

yea

[arctic epoch]

remember to not make the mistake of floating too soon

[glacial kelp]

you might just have to wait for a better cycle on the floating guys

they are sometimes just too low

but otherwise its just a timing thing gl

[minor sparrow]

Is it the section above the bench you have to flick a lever to access?

[hexed sonnet]

yea

the platforming in the area above that bench

[cursive breach]

does the unique fleas count as fleas found

[gloomy prism]

You dont need to float for mount fay, you just need it in the wind section

[minor sparrow]

The timing is a bit tight iirc

[hexed sonnet]

i'll try getting a decent screenshot

[minor sparrow]

You might also be missing something that you need to hit before you hit the other bug

[hexed sonnet]

this is the bug i need to hit and then jump higher to hit another one

i can hit this one easy but the other one which is supposed to be above this ring is giving me hell

[gloomy prism]

You need to use clawline

[hexed sonnet]

on the rare occassion that i do manage to get both there's another one further ahead

ive only gotten past all of this twice in an hour 😭

[orchid locust]

@remote talon sorry obs broke 💀 💀

[untold narwhal]

I learnt that when you press jump after clawlining an enemy you don't gain as much height. Not sure if that's helpful for you but mt fay became so much easier after I learnt that

Tldr: don't press jump after clawlining enemy

[remote talon]

whoa thats weird

[hexed sonnet]

so i just dont jump?

[untold narwhal]

Yuh

[remote talon]

linux screen record moment 🔥

[orchid locust]

you can also make windows floating, and new workspaces open below so i've kinda combined window and workspace navigation with my keybinds to have a 2d space

[remote talon]

make it 3d

[gloomy prism]

If youre in that state, just Jump, Clawline, hold right, clawline again, clawline again, hold left and walljump on the next platform

[night granite]

chat why am I in prision

[remote talon]

is this kde 3

[untold narwhal]

Obs lowkey dog shit y'all needa hop on spectacle 🔥

[radiant schooner]

Yo guys I just speedran silksong for the first time after I Got the achievement and I got this really good pb

It was 3h and 12 mins last tiem thats why i say really good

[orchid locust]

yeah i think it's kde 3 with compiz

[copper hedge]

hmmmm

[gloomy prism]

Do you skip swift step?

[radiant schooner]

no

[hexed sonnet]

@untold narwhal it worked!!

[radiant schooner]

Isnt it a hassle to play without it anyways?

[untold narwhal]

Blessed 🙏

[gloomy prism]

It is

[radiant schooner]

I skipped fourth chorus and sister splinter

[gloomy prism]

I assume you didnt get faydown right?

[untold narwhal]

How does one get access to VC

[gloomy prism]

300 messages i think

[untold narwhal]

Oicic

I'm like 90% sure I have that smh

Or is it since the new system was put into place

Oh lol I literally just got the roll

[radiant schooner]

Nup

[edgy turtle]

my first sub 5 hour run was 3:38 or somethin? if i remember correctly

[mental arch]

the apple home coming soon

[edgy turtle]

i wasn't really trying

[untold narwhal]

I haven't even beat silksong yet 💔

[mental arch]

larper

[edgy turtle]

you will get theere

[untold narwhal]

True I just like drawing the characters lowkey

[edgy turtle]

took me 90 hours for first 100%

[gloomy prism]

My best try at sub 5 was at widow 1 hour in but I did it in steel soul and the run died to the mist

[edgy turtle]

still haven't gotten ||seths memento||

[edgy turtle]

aw

i once accidentaly started a steel soul run

never finished it

[gloomy prism]

I dont even have 90 hours and i have all mementos did you try to do it without a guide?

[edgy turtle]

deleted the save at some point

[cerulean sable]

gen ong does bracelet need a buff

[edgy turtle]

oh nah, i used the wiki A LOT

[edgy turtle]

YES IT DOES

[edgy turtle]

i was just bad at the game, also i would say my slow pc was bottlenecking me sorta

[gloomy prism]

It is a glitch that is only gives 25% dmg increase, it is supposed to give 50% in the game files but it doesnt, also that might make the mist bracelet route viable for speedrunning again

[true lodge]

tuff

[toxic vigil]

barbed bracelet is only for no hitters
if you make it more than x2 its op asf

[gloomy prism]

Bro you already sent that

[true lodge]

different timezones

also Zote paid me

[lavish apex]

for barbed bracelet to be actually useful for normal gameplay and not speedkills or nohits i think it would have to be like 50%

[gloomy prism]

And they need to fix void damage not getting doubled

[lavish apex]

or just +1 mask of damage instead of double

[gloomy prism]

If you keep the 25% increase that would be good, otherwise it would be too good

[lavish apex]

it wouldn't be "too good"

it's just a challenge run item right now

[earnest drift]

barbed bracelet needs the downside it has so that it still requires skill to use

we don't want unbreakable strength 2

[lavish apex]

speak for yourself

and i'm not saying remove the downside altogether just that it's not actually helpful in a normal run

[finite swift]

Siksong my song

OH YEAH SILKSONG

[violet ether]

I'll wish Silksong's Godhome will have thorough, replayable gauntlets just like Hollow Knight's Colloseum.

[gloomy prism]

For the first playthrough, fragile strength is balanced, for any further playthrough, fragile strength basically becomes unbreakable strength just because youre more skilled now

[earnest drift]

YES PLEASE PLEASE

[earnest drift]

yeah that's still unbalanced

3 notches for +50% dmg to your most used weapon is braindeadly broken

[lavish apex]

it's not when dying will take it away and you'll probably die a lot

[burnt pagoda]

gotem

[lavish apex]

once not die a lot then sure although

lowkey

[burnt pagoda]

yeah ok this boss is way harder without the wall jump lol

[lavish apex]

spell build is better for most of the game

strength doesn't get stupid stupid until spiral nail + quickslash

[hexed sonnet]

I GOT TO THE 3RD BENCH IN MT FAY LET'S GO

[lavish apex]

which are both pretty lategame

[hexed sonnet]

I'm not stopping until I get the double jump

[lavish apex]

and you're dedicating 6 notches to the combo

whereas shaman stone does shaman stone things

[earnest drift]

it's still so unbalanced

[finite swift]

Theres a boss dude

[earnest drift]

+50% nail dmg and +60% attack speed

why equip anything else at that point

[lavish apex]

range good

[hexed sonnet]

Aaaaaaaa

[lavish apex]

quick/mobile heal good because using it is actually hard in that game

soul good

[finite swift]

They are gonna clap you

[lavish apex]

probably not as good but still

[earnest drift]

defensive charms can still be useful while you're poor at the game but the fact strength and quick slash have no downside makes them braindead to use

which is why barbed bracelet's downside is so important

[lavish apex]

having equippables that are just objectively really strong is acceptable game design

[earnest drift]

also balancing strength by needing to go back to fix it isn't a great way of balancing it

[earnest drift]

not when they overshadow everything else

[lavish apex]

and i find it really funny how much people complain about charm balance

because you can get so much worse

[edgy turtle]

if void doubles damage AND barbed bracelet does, shouldn't it be possible for enemies to do 8 masks in some cases??

[lavish apex]

you people have never played a single rpg

[mental arch]

the strongest charm build is weaker than the worst architect crest build

[edgy turtle]

no

[nova relic]

What

[earnest drift]

in my experience rpgs are meant to have objectively better gear as you go on

[edgy turtle]

it isn't

[mental arch]

yes man u still have to interact with the game mechanics with charms

[edgy turtle]

tools require annoying expensive shell shards, charm builds just work all the time

[mental arch]

u do not have to interact with any mechanic playing an architect build

[lavish apex]

spitting actually

[hexed sonnet]

why is it even possible to break these heat spots 😭

[edgy turtle]

that's why i don't like them

[gloomy prism]

Why is flintslate there bro thats not the worst architect build

[hexed sonnet]

just poor game design ngl

[earnest drift]

because it has negative synergy with pollip pouch

[hexed sonnet]

should've taken an extra 7 years to polish it and do some QA

[edgy turtle]

yeah WHERE is the tool you get to extract plasmium, forgot what it's called

[mental arch]

still is less interactive than a shaman stone build

[lavish apex]

making something intentionally dogshit to disprove an obviously hyperbolic point is a little silly

[edgy turtle]

haman stone is FUN, it not only increases your damage, it also makes some spells bigger

[edgy turtle]

why does something have to be not interactive

[lean yoke]

Bars 🔥

[gloomy prism]

The worst build is using the same tools but it abuses a glitch which makes you overdose with plasmium but they dont passively regen your health, so you only heal 2 masks with multibinder

[lean yoke]

I definitely didn't forget the marked bench was rigged and almost died 4 times

[mental arch]

its an inclusivity thing if i had to guess so older or less skilled players can play the game i guess

[edgy turtle]

oh yeah i remember that from kilroywashere

[lean yoke]

Bilewater exploration so far, zero deaths

[edgy turtle]

great job

come on guys you haven't finished the game yet???

[mental arch]

no we're playing deadlock

[edgy turtle]

?

[lavish apex]

i am the biggest shell shards hater

[mental arch]

i had 0 for 3/4ths of my playthrough

[lavish apex]

who has never run out of them

[edgy turtle]

i don't hate them

[lavish apex]

bad mechanic

[edgy turtle]

but i agree

[lavish apex]

supporting another bad mechanic

[mental arch]

well i mean if u want to tool spam you just spend a few minutes farming rosaries and buy them from forge daughter

[edgy turtle]

what about frey??

[lavish apex]

part of the issue

[edgy turtle]

i am not upporting it

[earnest drift]

which red tools need a nerf the most

[mental arch]

none of them are problematic just having infinite ammo is lol

[edgy turtle]

voltvessels?

[gloomy prism]

Tools are a great mechanic but they should either be trash or you shouldnt be able to spam them, i think the best tools are plasphium phial and flintslate for example, even though you cant deal direct damage with them.

[edgy turtle]

have you seen 100% speedruns with them??

[earnest drift]

yep those
(useless against lost lace though)

[edgy turtle]

yep

[mental arch]

i am p sure speedrunners barely use tools bc u need shards

[earnest drift]

curvesickle needs a nerf too

[edgy turtle]

that's besides the point, it's good that lost lace doesn't work well with tools

[earnest drift]

does conchcutter need a nerf

[lavish apex]

shell shards should be gutted or entirely reworked and red tools should have a cooldown on their use and reduced max stacks

[mental arch]

no its only good vs fat enemies

[gloomy prism]

I think they should just give you curvesickle instantly in act 1 and nerf it a bit

[mental arch]

only vaguely op red tool is cogflies

[earnest drift]

yeah i kind of like that about her
shakra discourages red tools as well

[edgy turtle]

LL is SUPPOSED to be a hard fight

[gloomy prism]

BUT IT ISNT

[earnest drift]

i think just remove curvesickle from the game, curveclaw is strong enough

[lavish apex]

those are the bad mechanic parts

[earnest drift]

guys this is a hollow knight game, it's not meant to be hard

[lean yoke]

Maybe I should've gotten volt filament before I went in bilewater

[earnest drift]

wait for godhome if you want a challenge

[edgy turtle]

ik

[mental arch]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[lean yoke]

Wait is volt filament in act 2

[edgy turtle]

i think silk skills also need a huge nerf

[mental arch]

ur never beating the larper allegations

[lavish apex]

can be

[violet ether]

I wish Jubilana could sell silver rosary necklaces so that I might actually be inclined to unravel the ones I do scavenge instead of hold them forever when they're non-renewable.

[earnest drift]

nah they're fine
except cross stitch

[edgy turtle]

act 2 or 3

[lean yoke]

I see

[lavish apex]

silk skills don't need nerfed at all

[edgy turtle]

they're WAY too powerful with shamans crest

[violet ether]

Maybe pearl rosary necklaces can be crafted from the bank.

[lean yoke]

Rune rage needs a buff 🙏

[lavish apex]

then shaman should be nerfed

[lean yoke]

-# I don't know what I'm talking about

[arctic epoch]

shiii, my silk skill is too powerful when using with a silk skill oriented crest?

[lavish apex]

don't blame the mechanic for the crest that gives them a 40% damage increase making them op

[mental arch]

silk skills are wayyyy worse than hk spells

[gloomy prism]

But why is everyone on youtube and other platforms saying "sk is so hard", it made the experience with the game way worse for me bc it wasnt very hard, i literally only struggled with HHG and trobbio, and i expected way more (yes i like struggling with hard bosses)

[lean yoke]

Ugh deep dive, how I missed it

[earnest drift]

because they're bad

[mental arch]

i miss u fireball

[earnest drift]

hollow knight and silkong generally aren't hard games except for pantheon 5

[arctic epoch]

shaman is strong because you're forced to play a more risky playstyle

[lavish apex]

arguably cross stitch is better than hk spells i think but generally kinda

[gloomy prism]

Fireborn is bad thats true

[mental arch]

nkg is base game

[lavish apex]

nkg was dlc

[earnest drift]

nkg is not hard

[gloomy prism]

Nkg is easy

[arctic epoch]

best way to play a game is just to play without anyone's takes on it
expectations ruins experience

[mental arch]

outside of godhome i mean

[earnest drift]

he's bad at being entertaining because i hate listening to his voice

he seems like a great guy and he's good at the game but i just can't watch him i'm sorry

[mental arch]

LARPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lavish apex]

nkg is very hard for a new player

[earnest drift]

absrad is the only hard boss in either game

[mental arch]

dude holy ur larping so hard 😭

[lavish apex]

he took me like 10 hours to beat in 2018

[earnest drift]

if we go by new player standards, hornet 1 is the hardest boss in either game

[edgy turtle]

they are ~33% more expensive

more or less

[lavish apex]

good ragebait

[gloomy prism]

Nah i beat him in like 5 tries absrad took me 10 to beat the first 2 phases

[plucky barn]

kind of true he isnt the best at entertaining bc most of his content is based for the speedrunning community and the god gamers of hk and sk its for people who normally know what hes doing and what these skips are

[edgy turtle]

...

[earnest drift]

hornet 1 took me longer to beat than any other boss

[mental arch]

from their takes i am 100% sure they have never played hk

[burnt pagoda]

“x is easy actually” is such a wack thing to say
saying shit like this is only going to discourage new players and feel like they’re just bad at the game

[minor grail]

𝙵𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚎

[plucky barn]

why are u real but and the pantheons and radiance ofc

[edgy turtle]

agree completely

[hexed sonnet]

i could cry 🥹

[arctic epoch]

peak 🙏

[earnest drift]

you guys were saying lost lace is easy, why am i getting flamed for saying the same thing

[mental arch]

maybe nkg would seem easy coming back from silksong

[gloomy prism]

GGs

[plucky barn]

niceeee

[hexed sonnet]

i have movement maxxed and i am now ready for lost lace

[mental arch]

i think everyone can admit ll is the hardest boss in silksong

[edgy turtle]

cool!

[arctic epoch]

movementmaxxing? in Silksong? 🙏

[plucky barn]

mini me ? i did the same lol

[earnest drift]

i think so as well though some people brought up karmelita, tormented trobbio and savage beastfly 2

[edgy turtle]

i got 100% before beating ll

[lavish apex]

i don't think anybody currently here said lost lace is easy?

[edgy turtle]

tormented trobbio and beastfly 2 were not that bad

[earnest drift]

^

[toxic vigil]

karmelita is my personal hardest but yeah

[edgy turtle]

i did beastfly 2 in act 3 lol

voided

[toxic vigil]

well i did karmelita with 1 less needle upgrade though

[lavish apex]

ok 1 guy and you said plural

[toxic vigil]

its act 3 only

[earnest drift]

^

[edgy turtle]

no

[mental arch]

i did struggle pretty hard w karmelita as well

[earnest drift]

i should make a boss difficulty tierlist

[gloomy prism]

Tormented trobbio is free after youve beaten trobbio wth are you talking about? (It took me 45 minutes to beat trobbio for the first time, being the boss i took the longest to beat in any videogame ive ever played, and i beat tormented trobbio in my first attempt)

[edgy turtle]

you completely wrong

[lavish apex]

i think short of ll beastfly 1 is what killed me most lol

[burnt pagoda]

honestly pantheon 5 isnt even that much “harder” than the other pantheons its just exhausting

[arctic epoch]

-# friendly reminder to debater is that you don't represent the entire playerbase

[toxic vigil]

wait

nvm im dumb

[lavish apex]

absrad completely gaps every other hk boss in difficulty

[gloomy prism]

Its all pantheons combined while adding absrad and more, so its atleast the difficulty of all pantheons combined though

[burnt pagoda]

if pantheon 5 was just the final set of bosses its difficulty would not change

[edgy turtle]

wouldn't say so, it's just that you have 40 bossses to fight before here?

[lavish apex]

because of that i would say p5 is definitely way harder than all the others

[burnt pagoda]

because everything before that is just fodder

[lavish apex]

exactly

[edgy turtle]

it's FUN though

except zote?

[gloomy prism]

Thats is true but not for r5 or p5ab

[lavish apex]

by herself she still does

[edgy turtle]

ok

[toxic vigil]

you get bench before pv and full heal before asbrad too

[gloomy prism]

You dont get full heal before absrad

[lavish apex]

i have roughly the same amount of playtime against her and against pure vessel

[edgy turtle]

you do

[toxic vigil]

false

[lavish apex]

pure vessel i have beaten on radiant 8 times in a row

[edgy turtle]

wow

[lavish apex]

i have only ever been able to beat absrad on radiant twice

with large gaps between those attempts

[burnt pagoda]

it is kind of fun when you get good i agree
though i would say except for markoth instead of zote

[lavish apex]

maybe a unique skill issue but i do think that kinda qualifies me saying that she's way harder than everyone else

[edgy turtle]

git gud! i totally forgot about markoth and noeyes??

[burnt pagoda]

also fair but i dont think either would be much fun for me personally

[gloomy prism]

Wait are you talking about you getting the possibility to heal to full masks using your soul or am i stupid and beating pv just heals you to max?

[burnt pagoda]

its the latter

[burnt pagoda]

oh yeah noeyes is also really annoying with the teleporting but at least she’s not as difficult to deal with

[edgy turtle]

true

[burnt pagoda]

markoth however. 🥹

[thin charm]

The Knight's health is restored to full between Pure Vessel and Absolute Radiance.
wiki

[lavish apex]

asckoth but deals 1 mask is easy tbh

[earnest drift]

wait is it

i didn't notice because pure vessel never hits me

[burnt pagoda]

i noticed cuz i spend all the soul i get for pv on spells lul

[tough basin]

I defeated ||Lost Lace||

[burnt pagoda]

ggs!

[thin charm]

wait yeah why are we discussing pantheons in sk channel, just realised

[gloomy prism]

I didnt notice bc i always healed to full masks in the transition

[tough basin]

Yeah!!! I would have done it long ago But My Motherboard died so it took me 3 months after getting to Abyss with the flower.

[burnt pagoda]

aw

[gloomy prism]

How much of that was actually trying to beat LL though?

[edgy turtle]

just was about to say that

[tough basin]

😭

[burnt pagoda]

i imagine like almost none of it because. yknow. his motherboard Died

[cursive breach]

bro I no diffed the unravelled with wanderer bro I spam and bind until he vaporises

[burnt pagoda]

the unraveled if he was awesome

[earnest drift]

i like unravelled a little bit

even if the hitbox is wonky and they disappear often

[tough basin]

2158 kickstart backers and seth Goldman. 🥲

[lavish apex]

unravelled is cool aesthetics awful gameplay

[tough basin]

95% I think I am missing 5 tools.

[tough basin]

Yeah he is a really lore deep boss

[gloomy prism]

You should be able to see if youre missing 5 tools

[cursive breach]

I tried unravelled like 3 days ago and I got cooked but now he's awful cuz I started using wanderer

[burnt pagoda]

i think unraveled and pale stag are the only bosses in this game i dislike

[toxic vigil]

you can check

[burnt pagoda]

theyre not really hard just. really annoying to fight

[gloomy prism]

Savage beastfly

[lavish apex]

broodmother can eat 20 dicks

and beastfly 2
everyone else is fine

[graceful oyster]

Mio

[tough basin]

I am missing silkshot and pimpelo because I don't wanna go searching for craft metal. I am missing 2 Blue tools. And 1 more% which idk how to get. Oh I only have 9 masks. I forgot.

[earnest drift]

...i like broodmother...

[cursive breach]

is she a boss

[burnt pagoda]

i think i shouldnt have an opinion on beastfly cuz i fought him with walljump on my first playthrough

[arctic epoch]

Mio

[lavish apex]

aside from palestag and unravelled as well

actually zango and fotf

[burnt pagoda]

i also beat him a few minutes ago without walljump and i did think he was harder but idk i kinda enjoyed it

[earnest drift]

i like father of the flame

[lavish apex]

ASIDE FROM THOSE 6 everyone is fine

[earnest drift]

i like father of the flame being a pogo minigame

[cursive breach]

same bro I had clawline and faydown I can't be talking

[lavish apex]

it's just kinda nothing

second phase is fake

[toxic vigil]

i mean it was just kinda boring for me
pogo dodge pogo dodge pogo

[lavish apex]

overall not offensive like the other ones just kinda boring

[earnest drift]

i find fotf to be a more enjoyable flukemarm

[burnt pagoda]

he’s hard if you want to play aggresively

[tough basin]

Palestag reminded me of no eyes.

[burnt pagoda]

someone with a hit and run playstyle isnt going to find beastfly as hard

[earnest drift]

she is very, very marginally better than no eyes

[gloomy prism]

I liked him too but the boss gets way harder if you dont use wanderer/witch/reaper or shaman crest

[lavish apex]

no eyes at least has some kind of interesting platforming

[burnt pagoda]

delver’s drill is very good against him too

[lavish apex]

palestag is just that in a confined flat arena

[cursive breach]

silksong has too many secret rooms like I would've never figured it out on my own

[gloomy prism]

And no eyes is a shorter bossfight

[burnt pagoda]

replayability babyyyy

silksong is one of the few games where i went “wow i want to play this again” after beating it

i fucking love replayable 2d action games………

[gloomy prism]

I actually found almost everything blind but the things you need silksoar for are way to hidden, like how are you supposed to get passing of the age blind

[cursive breach]

I doubt team Cherry would make another game to the franchise but who knows

[burnt pagoda]

im confident whatever team cherry makes next will be just as good if not better

absolutely loved getting immersed into hk’s world for these past few months

[cursive breach]

next possible character might be lace cuz I heard she got nerfed after the ending

[earnest drift]

ok made my boss difficulty tierlist

[gloomy prism]

Zoteboat is Real

[cursive breach]

damn where tho zote kingdom?

[mortal bluff]

Zote, Kratt, Grindle. What is team cherry’s infatuation with grubby little bottom-feeders lol

[earnest drift]

and sherma

[toxic vigil]

hello i am back

[mortal bluff]

Oh fo sho

[earnest drift]

no not sherma

pilby

[mortal bluff]

Pilby has not one ounce of evil within them

[gloomy prism]

Great tierlist but i would say flying nosk should be one tier higher (i find it way harder than normal nosk evevn though both are ofc easy)

[cursive breach]

imagine we play as the radiance and terrorize the solar system

[earnest drift]

radiance is not the actual sun

radiance is a moth level threat

[gloomy prism]

Imagine getting slayed by a tiny knight using a nail

[cursive breach]

what I meant is travel to other planets and conquer each one by one

[earnest drift]

she couldn't even take over an anthill how's she going to take over a planet

[cursive breach]

goddam the knight as the final boss would go hard

[cursive breach]

shadowy bug cooked him

[toxic vigil]

radiance is just a lamp light given mind

[strange knot]

Hello

[earnest drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62y4YeCY7uA

would the knight give silk when hit by hornet

[strange knot]

How tf does knight uses sly’s attack

[earnest drift]

idk

[gloomy prism]

And why does he use nail arts no one does that

[earnest drift]

that's cyclone slash but in a different orientation

[earnest drift]

lmao

the knight deals 4 masks with cyclone slash here btw

[strange knot]

I just fucking ruined my 100% savefile on accident😭

[gloomy prism]

What did you do?

[ionic stump]

What are evas requirements for strengthening our crests?

[cursive breach]

zote boat with sherma as the final boss then you team up with radiance and GMs to conquer Cherry hq

[strange knot]

I have debug mod with savestates and I accidentally pressed hot key and teleported to save state(that was in act 1)

[lavish apex]

just do it again it only takes like 10 hours

[toxic vigil]

probably not

[hexed sonnet]

It's kinda weird how hk gives all the movement abilities so soon and silksong takes its time in giving everything

[ionic stump]

Well depends

[strange knot]

And it’s better in silksong

[lavish apex]

it seems that way but it really isn't

[hexed sonnet]

True

[ionic stump]

Some abilities take time

Like shadow cloak

[hexed sonnet]

Well the most important stuff come soon

Like double jump and wall jumps

[ionic stump]

But yeah some abilities are locked behind later acts

[lavish apex]

the only one that i would say takes meaningfully longer to get in silksong once you know what you're doing is soar

[strange knot]

Will there be any new movement abilities in DLCs?

[gloomy prism]

No

[ionic stump]

I mean we don't need another movement

We already have pretty much all

[hexed sonnet]

Teleportation

[ionic stump]

Yeah only something similar to dream gate

[lavish apex]

with some pretty simple routing you can get everything short of soar in like. 3 hours in silksong

as an average skilled player

[heavy reef]

guys anyone else annoyed of the new thing were we have to send 300 messages to unlock vc

[strange knot]

Ye u can get every ability in under 3 hours including silk soar

[ionic stump]

I mean 300 is not much

[gloomy prism]

You can get TE in 3 hours if youre skilled

[strange knot]

In under 3 hours*

[ionic stump]

Laughs in 50 hours and act 2

[lavish apex]

not easily

definitely not easily

[strange knot]

Yeah

[lavish apex]

you can get faydown + everything else pretty easily in that time frame though

[burnt pagoda]

there’s so much shit in this game i dont think im ever getting everything while having a time under double digits lmao

[lavish apex]

i would say it's about the same for hk1

[burnt pagoda]

not a big fan of speedrunning entire games

[toxic vigil]

not really if you don't suck

[lavish apex]

in terms of movement upgrade pacing on a replay

[toxic vigil]

at bosses i mean

[ionic stump]

Where is enraged conchfly

[strange knot]

I like speedrunning

It’s fun

[ionic stump]

And forgebrothers?

[strange knot]

-# I’ve never finished a real run lol

[lavish apex]

getting the speedrun acheivement in this game was maybe my most fun playthrough

[burnt pagoda]

i find stylish play more fun myself

[gloomy prism]

Sands of karak, forgebrothers are behind the simple key door in deep docks

[burnt pagoda]

but i understand the speedrunning appeal

[ionic stump]

Ok

[lavish apex]

turns out the game feels better when you decide to ignore most of the bloat quest content

kind of a shocker

[ionic stump]

I just love doing all side quests

[strange knot]

Side quest can be fun

But most of the time they sadly suck

[gloomy prism]

They arent if you do them more than once imo

[lavish apex]

in this game and the medium as a whole unfortunately yeah

[strange knot]

There is like 4 wishes I can think of and they are fun

[earnest drift]

i like helping people

[fair basin]

guys i need help understanding silksong story. why didnt Lace free GMS or Phantom? Is it because she already had control over most bugs?

[lavish apex]

you can make that a part of a game and also not have fine pins or silver bells in it

[earnest drift]

she was trying to free gms, but she couldn't

she was killing the choir to silence the song keeping her asleep

but cogwork core was the main body of the song and she couldn't do anything about that

about phantom they're surrounded by muckmagoots which eat silk, deadly to both phantom and lace

[fair basin]

ah okay.

[lavish apex]

can't phantom just take the elevator out?

[burnt pagoda]

phantom was trapped in the exhaust organ??

i thought she was just guarding it

[earnest drift]

yeah

enslaved by the citadel to pump the waste out

the citadel and gms are enemies, they would never willingly work with gms's child

[burnt pagoda]

ahh

[earnest drift]

did karmelita have any real beef with the citadel

[finite swift]

Maybe

[lavish apex]

do they just not know that gms got all the citadel bugs

[fair basin]

GMS should have made more silk children to free her

[lavish apex]

and they can leave whenever
that's pretty tragic actually

[finite swift]

They have 0 idea who GMS dude

[earnest drift]

from what i gather the skarrs were just destroyed by the haunting, not the citadel

but the citadel is indirectly responsible for the haunting

[finite swift]

Exactly

[lavish apex]

phantom doesn't know who gms is?

[finite swift]

I mean regular bugs

[lavish apex]

i was talking about phantom

[finite swift]

Ohhh

Anyway

Is Pharloom bigger than Hallownest lore wise?

[earnest drift]

yes

[finite swift]

The citadel is bigger than most areas in HK

Even lore wise, look how massive the Citadel is

I always admire the 6 second animation cutscene of the citadel

Like goddamn the weavers were STACKED

[hexed sonnet]

just look at the maps side by side

[earnest drift]

i made a chart of all the infighting in pharloom and different groups' relationship with the citadel (consisting of choir, conductors and weavers)

[finite swift]

I was about to say "wym" to the burning cult to the citadel then I realized they really dgaf they were just lucky to use fire to burn silk

[gilded nymph]

Guys ive beat widow now what boss should i beat or where should i go?

[finite swift]

Go to the citadel....

Explore...

Cutscene really cool

[gilded nymph]

Another response from someone else?

[finite swift]

What have you done so far?

[ruby dune]

I love going here to see my geiger counter explode

[finite swift]

Either way, since you aren't in act 2 yet, it's best to explore

[gilded nymph]

Ive beat sistser splinter before beating widow

[ruby dune]

You need to beat sister splinter before Widow Obviously

[finite swift]

Have you found of a area that's full of sand? And leads to the citadel?

[ruby dune]

Sorry if i was being rude thete

[gilded nymph]

Where i get a simple key i alr got one for the wormways i need one for the bench in siners road

[gilded nymph]

Wormways?

[stark path]

Or you can skip sister splinter

[finite swift]

Blasted steps?

[gilded nymph]

Nope

[ruby dune]

Well I don't think the average new player knows they can skip it?

[finite swift]

Find it

[gilded nymph]

Where

[finite swift]

Your going to have a big surprise wink wink

[stark path]

Skill issue

[finite swift]

Pass through shellwood

[ruby dune]

Krill Issue

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[gilded nymph]

Okk

[finite swift]

Your going to meet a big one

[gilded nymph]

I just join silksong

[gilded nymph]

Can you mark on my map?

Im gonna send you a pic

[finite swift]

It's best if you... Find out

[gilded nymph]

Its big

[finite swift]

Send map gng

[gilded nymph]

Ok

I was at hunter march

[stark path]

Worst area in silksong

[gilded nymph]

Ik

[lavish apex]

nah putrified ducts

doesn't get worse than that

[gilded nymph]

@finite swift come in private

[fair basin]

Bilewater

[red isle]

?

[stark path]

Hunters march

[strange knot]

Putrified ducts?

[red isle]

no way dude

[strange knot]

Sinners road?

Mist?

[red isle]

bilewater (duh)

[stark path]

I went through Bilewater faster than i went through hunters march bro

[strange knot]

Bilewater is peak

[red isle]

literally the worst place to go to in the game is bilewater

every second in it feels like eternal

[stark path]

Cap

[strange knot]

I think you meant the best

[red isle]

how am i supposed to feel happiness in such a vile, disgusting, maggot-filled place?

[burnt pagoda]

the sinners road in question:

[lavish apex]

bilewater is good

[red isle]

music - fairly good
enemies - annoying, sometimes easy to dodge but double damage
traps, the whole place is riddled with random place to get you get caught in the maggots

like you don't even get maggoted that much in sinner's road

[heavy badger]

enemies that regenerate when killed

[red isle]

the enemies in sinner's road are barely annoying

[lavish apex]

putrified ducts has 0 redeeming qualities

[weary ferry]

hiii do we have no updates on SoS yet

[heavy badger]

the ones that kidnap you in their jaws and try to eat you are bs and should es

[red isle]

like dude bilewater has 1 redeeming qualities which is the music which is not related to gameplay at all?

[strange knot]

It’s the easiest way to farm silk.?

[heavy badger]

twisted bud

[red isle]

and the music is good is because lore-wise bile water used to be a beautiful place

[lavish apex]

bilewater has some genuinely fun rooms

[heavy badger]

now when a person's main is WITCH

[red isle]

now it's a sewage system, and i don't feel bad for them at all

[red isle]

let's not even talk about groal's runback

[lavish apex]

the only really bad parts are stilkin and the groal runback

[red isle]

because it's bad duh

[heavy badger]

and these guys that jump and spit bullets at you

[red isle]

like there's a reason why when people talk about bilwater all they remember is how bad of a boss groal was

[heavy badger]

absoulote garbage

[fair basin]

Groal runback made me better at movement.

[red isle]

yea those spitters and divers

[fringe vigil]

Im a bit confused. Started my second playthrough a few days ago to get my memories fresh before trying to get all achievements and Im stuck on moving to act 3. My best guess it the fact that fleas dont move to putrified ducts for some reason although I was there and I got all the fleas to caravan

[heavy badger]

and i cant even get a hit on them

it's just bs in a single creature

[red isle]

if you hven't noticed yet hunter's march was lowk the movement tutorial of the game

[fringe vigil]

idk my first assotiation are those maggots that jump on you from water in these 2 specific rooms, hated them more than Groal himslef on my first playthrough

[heavy badger]

and also training for when you get the vintage nectar for the quest

[red isle]

like jeez stop protecting bilewater like it needed your protection

[stark path]

Bilewater is the best area

[red isle]

liking bilewater is NOT tuff

[heavy badger]

they do 2 masks AND TAKE YOU IN THE MAGGOTS

[red isle]

provide your reason

how is anyone gonna enjoy their sweet time playing silksong there

[heavy badger]

bilewater is just the sewers of pharloom

[fair basin]

That was pretty easy for me. and im talking about locked in movement not slow think where to jump i mean speed run movmet lol

[red isle]

it used to not be, now it is

[heavy badger]

did they poo in it too?

[red isle]

that's gonna be courier's quest for me

[burnt pagoda]

serious question
what does witch crest bind offer that thread storm doesnt

[heavy badger]

i bet they did

[earnest drift]

putrified ducts is the sewers, bilewater is where they dumped it into

[stark path]

Its just the best

[lavish apex]

bloatroach rooms are sick platforming

[red isle]

basically trashed the whole place, it used to look like heaven now it's like a sewage system

[earnest drift]

did the citadel set up the muckroach farms in sinner's road

[lavish apex]

atmosphere and lore are fantastic

[red isle]

1/10 ragebait

ragebait used to be believable

[heavy badger]

and also why the duck can't i bind using witch crest

[red isle]

what kind of atmosphere is enjoyable when the atmosphere in question is literally about a place where a place is turned into a swampy, disgusting, maggot-filled sewage system?

like bro even without touching the fucking maggots it feels horrible to be there

[burnt pagoda]

its a unique bind
you need to hit enemies with the roots to heal

[lavish apex]

that's THE POINT

[earnest drift]

that's the point

[lavish apex]

THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD

[stark path]

🤤🤤

[heavy badger]

say what now

[red isle]

YES ThAT"s WHY IT"S THE WORST

[lavish apex]

ART CAN BE UNPLEASANT

[earnest drift]

bilewater has been trashed beyond recognition because it was in the way of what the citadel wanted

[red isle]

WHAT KIND OF MASOCHISM IS THIS

[earnest drift]

it shows what happens to those who don't conform

[lavish apex]

it's literally good storytelling

[red isle]

that's not a valid reason to make it "the best place in pharloom"

[burnt pagoda]

yea the bind actually deals damage like an hp drain

[earnest drift]

it absolutely is

[lavish apex]

and the music serves it perfectly

[red isle]

"i feel bad for this place so i think it's the best place"

yea whatever you say dude

[lavish apex]

that shit is detroit you will get jumped and it's awesome

[heavy badger]

to me i hated blewater before i got the wanderer crest now it's just a slice of cake

[earnest drift]

also i need to travel to memorium to examine some lore

[red isle]

sure whenever someone talks about bilewater being trash yall just pull out the argument "but the music is good"

[earnest drift]

the memorium mainly holds non sentient bugs, but there are some sentient bugs that were killed, stuffed and put on display

[strange knot]

Bile water gameplay is just SOOO peak

[red isle]

the experience of being there is horrible

[strange knot]

Also has some of the best skips ever

[lavish apex]

fuck the mask shard room though

[red isle]

i feel like time spent on bilewater and putrified ducts is fuckin wasted

[stark path]

Everyone place a heart if Bilewater is the best area

[red isle]

filthy ass place

[heavy badger]

bile water is kinda nice in platforming (gives a chalenge) but it sometimes is shitty

[earnest drift]

slubberlugs my bane

[lavish apex]

rest of it is cool but that sucks
and the secret bench placement is the most unhinged thing tc has ever done

[red isle]

i found that secret bench when i was fighting groal

so my pain is slightly reduced

[heavy badger]

the one you fall into a maggot one?

[red isle]

thank god for that

[lavish apex]

yes

[heavy badger]

what benchccccc

[lavish apex]

maggot pit breakable wall

like 3 rooms before groal

[red isle]

like i've never seen a vote about "worst place in silksong" and bilewater not being voted dominantly

[heavy badger]

i hate it

[earnest drift]

as you can see, the memorium is mainly a place for keeping live and dead non sapient bugs
and they keep some dead sapient bugs, like a stilkin trapper here

[lavish apex]

evil evil level design

[fringe vigil]

I wonder how people were finding it without being told. Like falling that far down and swimming in maggots by accident seems unrealistic

[earnest drift]

so why tf do they display the bodies of a pilgrim and a silk snipper? silk snippers work for the citadel, why would they display one's body

[heavy badger]

for fun

[red isle]

i think they display all, except for civilians

like the rich people

[earnest drift]

aren't pilgrims civilians?

[burnt pagoda]

bump

[red isle]

pilgrims aren't rich

[heavy badger]

death is fun fot the weavers

[red isle]

duh

[earnest drift]

here's a skarr and another pilgrim

[lavish apex]

heals

[heavy badger]

a dead moss ball in the box

[earnest drift]

so many pilgrims wtf
and another silk snipper

[heavy badger]

nooooooo

[lavish apex]

i think it also broadly does better damage

[heavy badger]

kill them back

[burnt pagoda]

makes sense

[earnest drift]

i think that's magnetite

[heavy badger]

REVENGE FOR THE PILGRIMS

[radiant coyote]

is the help chat dead

[burnt pagoda]

i wasnt sure if the bind was actually stronger

[fringe vigil]

These are probably not silk snippers tho? It looks more like those bilewater guys idk

[lavish apex]

at least not counting shaman boost

[mortal bluff]

Bruh, I was twelve or thirteen when I started playing hollowknight, 12 or 13 year old me had some absolutely killer taste

[fringe vigil]

I might be tripping

[burnt pagoda]

oh yeah

[red isle]

they're non citadellians

[heavy badger]

the poor ones in the citadel's eyes

[red isle]

haha bilewater 0 : tony 1

[earnest drift]

no it's def a snipper

[red isle]

trash ass place so trash even its fans doesn't even try to defend it anymore

[earnest drift]

so they work for the citadel and still get stuffed and put on display

[fringe vigil]

oh, you are right

[heavy badger]

i hate sands of karak

[red isle]

work for? pilgrims are like wanderers no?

[lavish apex]

ok only with multibinder and claw mirror but that actually outdoes extended thread storm w/shaman and volt boost

[earnest drift]

no i'm talking about the silk snippers

[strange knot]

Shellwood is more annoying than bilewater

[burnt pagoda]

i see

[earnest drift]

they cut silk to size and send it back to the citadel

[red isle]

yea workers too, as you can see from the underworks treatment

underworks are more like slaves so i guess they see them as more "human"

i guess

[earnest drift]

and wouldn't putting a dead pilgrim on display interfere with the religion that the citadel is a holy place for pilgrims

[red isle]

i don't think i've died once at shellwood's hazards

[burnt pagoda]

i hate sinners road 🩷

[red isle]

i guess to kill the purple hives it's kinda annoying got me on some close calls i remember

[strange knot]

Annoying =/= difficult

[earnest drift]

the muckroach keepers work for the citadel right

[red isle]

i didn't even touch the word difficult

[burnt pagoda]

enough about annoying areas what is your Favorite Area in the Game!

[strange knot]

“I don’t think I’ve ever died on Shellwood hazards” basically saying Shellwood platforming isn’t difficult

[strange knot]

Bilewater/cog core

[earnest drift]

high halls (beautiful)
bilewater (beautiful in a different way)
the cradle (lace is there)
the abyss (lace is there)

[burnt pagoda]

BASED COGWORK CORE ENJOYER

true!

[red isle]

choral chambers bc massive lore, crazy rich so i can farm rosaries, and connected to most of the other places, best music in the game

[burnt pagoda]

choral chambers is awesome yeah

[earnest drift]

fun fact: cogwork core music is canon, it's part of the song keeping gms asleep

[red isle]

fair point

[lavish apex]

mount fay

[burnt pagoda]

i really like cogwork core and sands of karak

[strange knot]

Coral chambers is overrated imo

[mortal bluff]

Cogwork core is probs my favorite area tc has ever done aesthetically

[burnt pagoda]

was honestly really fun

[meager jolt]

Other parts are the other Citadel songs?

[burnt pagoda]

the music is one of the few that really stood out to me in my first run through the area

[earnest drift]

perhaps

[red isle]

overrated or not it's liked, and for fair reasons, not like bilewater likers

[fringe vigil]

memories of a crab, I was really sad when I found out location was removed from real world :<

[heavy badger]

conchfly is pretty fun

[red isle]

like no offense to bilewater likers they're just masochistic (:

[burnt pagoda]

this is also a good pick i kind of wish it was an entire ass area like verdania

[red isle]

red memory count?

[mortal bluff]

Silksong in general had some crazy music moments. Trobbio was so unexpected when I heard it for the first time

[meager jolt]

Probably ||Lost Verdania||

[fringe vigil]

I loved climb to GMS the most for music on my first playthrough, this and entrence to bone bottom probably were my favorite moments

[lavish apex]

red memory is cheating

[earnest drift]

i know that the songs keeping gms asleep are:
what the choir sings
threefold melody
potentially the song that plays during cogwork dancers

[strange knot]

I like bilewater for

1. Best music
2. One of the best bosses(phantom)
3. Cool platforming
4. One of the most fun skips in the game(groal skip)

[burnt pagoda]

i guess? idek lol

[lavish apex]

groal skip is gone now no?

[burnt pagoda]

its a nice sequence

[strange knot]

I play on older patches

[red isle]

NO DO NOT AFFILIATE PHANTOM WITH DISGUSTING BILEWATER

[strange knot]

They are in bilewater

[earnest drift]

phantom is more of a the mist boss

[fringe vigil]

isnt mist a sublocation of sinners road?

[meager jolt]

And Bilewater

[strange knot]

Exhaust organ is in bilewater

[red isle]

i don't remember tho but it's connected to underowrks right

[meager jolt]

It's a mix

[red isle]

im gonna say it's more sinner's road because i hate bilewater

[strange knot]

Choral chambers. But phantom boss fight is in bilewater and you can’t deny it

[earnest drift]

phantom is so amazing and solos almost every higher being in the franchise because they can't sing

best character

[red isle]

not upwards, to the left

[earnest drift]

phantom unironically beats the shade lord because they can't play music and would get stuck in the mist forever

[strange knot]

Yeah probably

[red isle]

platforming is hell

[fringe vigil]

damn, never paid attention to it, but the rest of mist is a part of sinners road right?

[strange knot]

Platforming is fun in bilewater except you have circlet equipped

[strange knot]

Mist isn’t on the map so idk

[fringe vigil]

not really

[boreal berry]

I lowkey beat gms after putting silksong off for too long

[red isle]

well, to me

[fringe vigil]

its just that rooms in mist have some building and cages bilewater lacks but sinners road has so I always considered it to be a part of sinners road

[red isle]

to u guys prolly not cuz u guys are masochistic

[fringe vigil]

We are

[red isle]

see! my pain to u guys are just laughters and pleasure probably

[strange knot]

Bilewater platforming isn’t even that hard

[earnest drift]

bilewater platforming with sawtooth circlet

[strange knot]

The only thing I hate about bilewater is mask shard room

[red isle]

so if i hate bilewater bc of how unforgiving the maggots and groal's runback and the traps are, you guys are just gonna like it

[strange knot]

Yeah that’s definitely hell

[red isle]

what's with it

[strange knot]

I tried that thing one time

[earnest drift]

i unironically like this enemy's design

as in its appearance

i just like the muckroach worldbuilding in general

[red isle]

built like smth a teenager would've used

[earnest drift]

worse than spit squits or nah

[strange knot]

Also I hate that my game is lagging every time I’m in bilewater smh

[red isle]

HAHHAAHHAHAH YES FINALLY

[strange knot]

What

[red isle]

ok i should probably stop hate on bilewater and actually work on arguments to actually prove why it's the worst place

[red isle]

u finally admit smth is bad in bielwater

[fringe vigil]

not really, I just played while keeping a nice tip from r/Silksong in my head

You see if you stop taking damage game gets so much easier. Just dont get caught in traps and dont fall into maggots and you wont struggle with them. Hope I helped

[strange knot]

Ye I did it 2 times now

[lusty dirge]

hey

ga

ga

[red isle]

talking like a true hunter main 🤮

[lusty dirge]

ga

[red isle]

r u vietnamese by any chance

[lusty dirge]

brotha you're the disgusting shi here

[red isle]

twin just joined and started distributing hate

[strange knot]

Also I forgot to mention I love twisted bud and bilewater is a better place bc of it

[lusty dirge]

You can't be real

[red isle]

yea i love twisted bud too

how is bilewater a better place

[fringe vigil]

I played my first playthrough mostly with wandered with an exception of like 10 hours I played with witch crest (not a normal one but when infected) cause I liked it and the challenge

[lusty dirge]

shi was traumatic

[solid grail]

I just use the Wreath to counter maggots, you can go get it immediately after getting Faydown anyways

[red isle]

wait do you find twisted bud in bilewater

i forgot

[lusty dirge]

Yes

[solid grail]

Ye

It is the source of all evil

[red isle]

after i got the wreath bilewater is cleared already dude

[fringe vigil]

yea I LOVED playing with it

[burnt pagoda]

evil fucking baby

[civic snow]

Glad I'm not the only one who actually likes the twisted bud 🥲

[red isle]

it gives you witch crest treat it with respect

[timid plinth]

i didnt find out about the twisted bud until after i beat lost lace

kind of sad

[red isle]

lol u still play after beating lost lace?

[civic snow]

Ofc bro

[red isle]

lel ngl i had to use the wiki to finish everything and then beat lost lace

[timid plinth]

yea i wanted to get everything

every percent

[strange knot]

Yeah

[civic snow]

Relatable

[strange knot]

I have like 200 hours after beating lost lace

[civic snow]

Very relatable

[fringe vigil]

yeap, collecting last percents and finishing hunters journal of whatever its called in silksong

[red isle]

no dlc yet so i don't wanna play after getting 100%

alr

[civic snow]

The only thing left for me to do is steel soul 100%

Then I've fully completed silksong

[solid grail]

Get all mementos afterward

[fringe vigil]

on the same save file?

[strange knot]

In fact, i have 2 more hours after 100%

[slender juniper]

Thats okay the game will be getting updated probably every year

[lusty dirge]

Good luck mate

[civic snow]

Not a bad idea, luckily i have a 2nd save file where i can train all the optional act 3 bosses

[red isle]

how long did it take you to finish the game on your first run

[strange knot]

200*

[strange knot]

No