sk-discussion

[wide hollow]

Ok bro

[graceful oyster]

Also yeah it's an amazing fight, it's so much better than GMS or Radiance imo. Wish it was harder though.

[hollow atlas]

I feel like it adds limbs, could be wrong about that

Like doc ock

[ancient mortar]

its tragic that nomatter what game i play no boss can outmatch a boss that looks like kermit the frog.

[wide hollow]

She only has 4

[daring basin]

the thing is she is using all her hands/legs for the scuttle…

I apologize in advance

[hollow atlas]

And uses the extra ones to hold the needle? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallen wolf]

I could hear his voice, the airbender

[wide hollow]

Wdym

[daring basin]

She has at least 6, as we can see in the ||first ending of the game when she takes GMS’s place||

[ancient mortar]

she literally is growing new arms in that cutscene

[wide hollow]

guess what they only sprout after she transforms

[ancient mortar]

she starts with four

[wide hollow]

It's shown in the cutscene they start going boom Tash ksshh out of her torso

[daring basin]

then how does SHE SCUTTLE WITH MORE THAN 6 LEGS???

[wide hollow]

She scuttles with 4

Are you blind

[hoary arch]

It’s kinda cursed

[ancient mortar]

she scuttles with 4 limbs. we literally see her without her cloak, she has four limbs

if you see more in the anim its probably motion blur making it look that way

[daring basin]

Ok my dumbass saw the motion blur and thought it was 6

[remote talon]

have they made a modding api for sk yet? or are mods still installed through bepinex

[worldly umbra]

epic

[daring basin]

ts is fire

[worldly umbra]

epic gubby made this

[wide hollow]

Worst name I've ever heard in my whole fucking life

[worldly umbra]

genuinely

[wide hollow]

Lowflowkirkenuinenly

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-lebron-james-enchantment-table-language-enchantment-table-language-gif-13156867157589363714

so tuffness

[worldly umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1473804520743244017/IMG_1728.gif

[daring basin]

we are descending further into madness

[wide hollow]

Mf got the glitched out version

[worldly umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/962189528012034068/1258992855884763176/IMG_3397.gif

[daring basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215612318247952385/1472536319963172885/togif.gif

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-of-cuphead-dark-souls-game-journalist-hard-game-gif-27500531

[near mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-skibi-di-urinal-the-amazing-world-of-gumball-tawog-gif-295811233864195832

(yes this is a real scene)

[wide hollow]

I know

[daring basin]

game journalists after calling silksong “to hard”:

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-ancestor-gif-21405227

[tight viper]

Destroy pollip pouch

[ancient mortar]

Most intelligent group of cats

[daring basin]

nooo I like spamming poison Cogfly on innocent pilgrims

[tight viper]

No more, pollip pouch has been destroyed

[daring basin]

shit man that’s my favorite pass time

[exotic dome]

there should be shortcuts from treetops and paleosprings to warriors home 👍

[worldly umbra]

but whats the point if theres corelcron stations anyway (corelcron stations are the bellways/stags)

[near mirage]

[daring basin]

what is a corelcron? A bug? A tram?

[near mirage]

[daring basin]

I mean I know it’s fast transport but what is it

[worldly umbra]

flying fluffy dude that flies acorss the map

[near mirage]

[worldly umbra]

the cutscene is seth looking over the map

[exotic dome]

interconnected areas are cool

[daring basin]

that… looks quite fun actually

[exotic dome]

you could explore more than one areas from another area

[near mirage]

whats this

[worldly umbra]

my seth game map but colored by epic gubby

[near mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/grobbio-trobbio-silksong-hollow-knight-evil-gif-13785504118803412597

[worldly umbra]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PVDnpEit-CK5QHdydI2uXfbNrb7yk-bJ-lqGcZ1CGLw/edit?usp=sharing heres the doc (not an excuse to show it offffffffffffffff)

[daring basin]

@worldly umbra

[near mirage]

ohh ok
this map layout oddly seems similar to silksongs
does it take place before silksong

[exotic dome]

he is ari gibson and teasing the new grillmaster grimm dlc

[worldly umbra]

after

[daring basin]

After with Seth

[worldly umbra]

just read the doc i just listed

i just finished actually *

[daring basin]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[worldly umbra]

• i still have to make a way to get the true ending

[heady iron]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-trobbio-dust-smiling-friends-gif-556265872279670689

[near mirage]

Yo this peak

[worldly umbra]

the end is actually peak cinema

[cerulean sable]

nuclear take

10 years of City of Steel Game 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-2 year wait of City of Steel Silksong DLC

sometimes you gotta vault potential

[light swan]

THE BOS SIS SO GOOD IKRRRR

gosh exactly this is what gms and radiance could’ve been

[opaque sigil]

it is crazy that you can do enough damage to ||skip his dark phase||

[glad flower]

started a steel soul run, about to fight bell beast. update soon

[light swan]

dude

people have beaten him before he could finish his first attack

[opaque sigil]

huh

how on earth

[light swan]

the problem with the ||dark phase|| is that it’s always scripted to be the 5th phase 1 attack so if you kill him before 5 attacks youre good

[light swan]

you’ve heard us talk about shairpin before right

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[light swan]

yea thats how

[light swan]

after he got buffed btw

[graceful oyster]

Energy leecher and shairpin our beloved

(Except not our beloved because it makes everything too easy)

[opaque sigil]

and I thought I was smooth using the targeting on block with shairpin 😭

[glad flower]

oh that was not hard at all actually

[light swan]

yea

[fallen wolf]

Silkpost AI poisoning need to be studied

[light swan]

not mine but here’s an example

MIO MAJOR FINAL BOSS SPOILERS

[glad flower]

so just to confirm, you can’t permadeath in steel soul when fighting first sinner/dream world right

[opaque sigil]

lmao what the hell 😭

[light swan]

sharpin is getting nerfed next patch tho

[white pivot]

which game is that

[graceful oyster]

Not enough imo

[light swan]

i just fucking said

mio major final boss spoilers

[opaque sigil]

how is it getting nerfed

[graceful oyster]

Damage has to get nerfed

[graceful oyster]

Bruh

[white pivot]

I just saw the "major final boss spoilers" part

[graceful oyster]

Correct

[exotic dome]

Hollow Knight: Silksong

[white pivot]

Inverted Trumpet

[white pivot]

die :ghostgun:

[light swan]

so right now every shairpin is a crit

afterwards, it’ll be a 2 frame timing, otherwise it’ll be an imperfect sharpin (which will be normal shairpin)

[real leaf]

hmm six sev-

[light swan]

imperfect slash will have less hitstun, less damage, and won’t give all your energy back if you have energy leecher

[exotic dome]

does mio have a sprint/dash ability

[light swan]

yes

[exotic dome]

i'm 2 hours into it

[graceful oyster]

There is something similar on both fronts but not exactly

[opaque sigil]

ic

[white pivot]

-# I dont even know what the cover art for mio is

-# bruh

[light swan]

how about you Not Spoil yourself on the Major Final Boss

[white pivot]

o. k.

[near mirage]

Yuri

[light swan]

i think it’s fine as is

imperfect is still strong but it’s not as outwardly broken

[near mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335906891699720202/1445715752433746040/whopper.gif

[light swan]

and perfect is 2 frames which is fine

it doesn’t trivialize and murder everything afaik unless you’re good

[graceful oyster]

The versatility alone and safety weaponization is worth the 40

[near mirage]

sk discussion turned into mio discussiob

[graceful oyster]

Why does it have to do so much

[graceful oyster]

It's when this channel is at its best, just roll with it

[near mirage]

[light swan]

i mean it doesnt doesn’t do that much anymore

[near mirage]

[light swan]

imperfect shairpin is half the damage

[opaque sigil]

shairpin is a really fun way to close distance even if its damage gets nerfed so idrm

[near mirage]

[graceful oyster]

Exactly

[light swan]

now, the crazy doesnt come from shairpin it comes from all your other damage boosts

[graceful oyster]

I mean, whatever, the fact it got balanced in some way is good enough for me

But it could be better

[fossil socket]

sob

[light swan]

BUFF STRIDER ATTACKSSSSS

[graceful oyster]

Sunsail down to 10 or 20 pls and thanks

[light swan]

i want my build to be 100% good 0% placebo

[near mirage]

[light swan]

no just make it faster when combined with strider

[exotic dome]

notice how the chat becomes more civilised once any discussion other than silksong starts

[graceful oyster]

[light swan]

i don’t mind the 30

[near mirage]

green trobbio

[light swan]

it doesn’t compare to the others like… nacre overload or alexander’s fate but it’s still super duper fun

[graceful oyster]

That works for you specifically but I assure you barely anyone uses it more than once

[light swan]

dude sunsail is so fucking fun

i love it so much

[near mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/grobbio-trobbio-silksong-hollow-knight-evil-gif-13785504118803412597

[graceful oyster]

It's crazy expensive for very little of a boost and noone's taking it over other 30-20s

[opaque sigil]

I never even equipped sunsail

[light swan]

especially after doing all the hard platforming hitless

[opaque sigil]

I was not very experimental due to the shairpin tax ngl

[fossil socket]

whatsappbio

[near mirage]

i beat shrine guardian seth recently

[light swan]

sunsail is so fucking fun

[fossil socket]

gg

[graceful oyster]

Oh were you a dirty shairpin spammer for most of your playthrough?

[opaque sigil]

I think I took shairpin off once after getting it for Friends :)

[graceful oyster]

Oh well

[opaque sigil]

I didn't spam it but I did always have it on

[near mirage]

but i got craw summon
should i go to court and deal with crawfather

[opaque sigil]

probably a waste of slots for how relatively little I used it ngl

[light swan]

i’m never unequipping sunsail unless i have to

[torpid schooner]

Which heart should I do first?

[light swan]

traversal is just so fucking fun when i’m zooming over everything

[near mirage]

conjoined
clover dancers is the easiest of the 4 bosses imo

[slender juniper]

Whats the sawtooth circlet of mio called

[near mirage]

(albeit it is optional)

[light swan]

even tho it’s like barely faster than normal striding, sunstriding is still good for placebo

[graceful oyster]

Firefly

[light swan]

no id say it’s bop

[graceful oyster]

Shairpin is red tool spam

[light swan]

not an attack but it’s something that makes you click float a lot

[slender juniper]

What does it do

[mellow lava]

You guys think an act 4 dlc might actually happen at some point

[near mirage]

https://giphy.com/gifs/degisikhesabmis-gamevault-memevault-VOkpcujSu5L77ysRiD

[light swan]

electric force field while you float

[graceful oyster]

Deals a truckload of damage

[light swan]

does firefly actually deal that much damage

[graceful oyster]

Yeah

[mortal bluff]

In a hypothetical world where HollowKnight launches after Silksong, how do we think it would be received?

[near mirage]

honestly i wouldnt really like silksongs story to be dragged on further after act 3 too much

[light swan]

damn alr

[slender juniper]

Theres one that increases damage after floating, I just used that one during staggers

[light swan]

bird of prey?

[near mirage]

i dont know

[graceful oyster]

Firefly is comparable to normal no-crit shairpin spam

[light swan]

god damn actually ????

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[near mirage]

[light swan]

holy fucking shit why did i ever ask for firefly to be buffed

[slender juniper]

Im still yet to do the crucible

[light swan]

although to be fair my firefly only final bossfight was slow af

[slender juniper]

Fuckass puzzle made me stop playing for a bit

[near mirage]

[eager creek]

Probably something along the lines of "Oh my god, it's the thing from the cutscene!!!!" Idk

[light swan]

damn that was so fun for me figuring it out for the first time

[light swan]

also this mod might be tied for my favorite

[opaque sigil]

crucible was a lot, having that mod from mel helped quite a bit

[slender juniper]

Im stupid when it comes to puzzles

[near mirage]

blundering obliesk

[light swan]

bop just feels so satisfying to use

[slender juniper]

I just youtubed it

[near mirage]

why did apple suggest i say online skibidi instead of obliesk 😭

[light swan]

i also made a bop build viable against a grounded boss by using strider attacks

[slender juniper]

[light swan]

oh man bop shairpin builds are so fun

somehow everything just perfectly lines up to make an addicting playstyle

[opaque sigil]

Entirely my fault for using shairpin but this did hurt even if I got it on my next attempt

[light swan]

its the perfect type of cohesiveness i like in videogames

[slender juniper]

SK chat turned into mio chat the mio-skong verse glaze is real

You only see skong glaze on the mio server

[light swan]

oh my god 😭

[slender juniper]

[light swan]

no you only see mio glaze on the mio server

we've had like... two skong conversations

[eager creek]

Again, mio-discussion, my favorite Hollow Knight discord channel

[slender juniper]

I bought the game 1 day after release and I still havent finished it

I got too much into skong s
Runs

[light swan]

how many hours do you have

[slender juniper]

25

[light swan]

nice nice

[scarlet karma]

a true skonger doesn’t discriminate against metroidvanias (9 sols my goat)

[light swan]

ew metroidvania

[slender juniper]

Who the fuck plays metroidvanias

Like actually

[exotic dome]

90% of mio fans are silksong fans

[light swan]

so do you guys like mio

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[tight viper]

Eh, not really, not a big fan of flavored water

[opaque sigil]

the map design is great throughout and there were a lot of really cool discoveries the concept for the world facilitated (||e.g. the crucible, the celestial bay||)

||realizing the map was a complete wheel was crazy||

[exotic dome]

it's going fine

[light swan]

IKR

[opaque sigil]

it's crazy impressive that the first few areas used just one checkpoint and managed to make it work

[ancient mortar]

Yall gotta play laika

[light swan]

its the game im playing after mio :3

[exotic dome]

some of the backtracking takes long time but not that bad

[light swan]

there isnt much backtracking needed tbh

its not crazy about it

[opaque sigil]

I do kinda wish that losing nacre to the pool did more than just the one thing

[light swan]

me too but i dont mind it

[opaque sigil]

I didn't lose very much nacre past the very early game anyways and it's very generous with the crystallized stuff

I think I finished with like 5k at least unused

[light swan]

the crystallized nacre eventually gets useless i wish it could be turned back into liquid nacre

[opaque sigil]

I don't know why they don't just let you use it at basins

the basins are usually in places where it would be totally fine for them to functionally be infinite restoration

[light swan]

well you repair yourself with liquid versions

[orchid locust]

oh so all the nacre i’ve been losing is useless 💔 💔 💔

[light swan]

you cant make a liquid coating out of a solid

[opaque sigil]

sure but it would be easy to handwave as being converted back by the basin or whatever

[light swan]

im fine withb there being a reverse converter somewhere

but it creates a risk reward where you ask yourself if you want to crystallize if you might need it for healing

but at the same time you want to crystallize incase you die

[opaque sigil]

there's so much liquid around that it isn't really an issue

and once you get gratitude that's an alternative for shit like really drawn out platforming challenges

[light swan]

well

maybe im just a stupid nacre overload enjoyer lol

[opaque sigil]

I never found that

[light swan]

the more liquid nacre you have the more damage you deal

[opaque sigil]

that sounds very good lmao

[light swan]

in bossfights youre likely to have 0 liquid nacre

[opaque sigil]

depends on the boss really

[void moat]

before and after mewing

[light swan]

well you could run alexanders fate but even then youd need to grind up nacre first

[light swan]

its a decay function so eventually the use you get out of it doesnt really matter as much

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't take that long to grind up a few hundred if you use the one that makes enemies drop extra

[polar burrow]

oh boy I can’t wait home so I could talk to my AI girlfriend

[light swan]

i have 100k liquid nacre on my 100% save rn

[opaque sigil]

I don't generally 100% games but mio is tempting me if only because I feel like I already was decently thorough in getting the true ending without guides

[light swan]

100% is pain because of the old cores

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah those would probably be rough

I bet I missed a few in ||the pit||

[light swan]

theres only 4 there

[vivid belfry]

while we're talking about other metroidvanias, here's my personal list of recommendations

[light swan]

wheres mio wheres afterimage

wait you played afterimage nad didnt like it right

[vivid belfry]

I did not care for afterimage

it's not actively frustrating to play but I was not engaged

[opaque sigil]

you should try mio

[vivid belfry]

I agree

[light swan]

:( fair tho i remember talking w you about it

[lavish apex]

dread is lowkey kinda bad

[light swan]

id like afterimage more than silksong if not for witch crest existing

[lavish apex]

has one really good boss though

[vivid belfry]

dread is basically completely linear and doesn't have much staying power but I don't care because the movement and combat are fun as fuck

super metroid is much better as a metroidvania but it controls like dogshit so I put it in the garbage

[light swan]

afterimage still likely has my favorite video game world of all time

with xenoblade X as a close second but thats a 3d open world

[lavish apex]

super metroid has the worst combat and gamefeel in any metroidvania i've played

[vivid belfry]

it's got some cool lore from what I was able to pick up on

[opaque sigil]

I can't give that to anything except outer wilds 😔

[light swan]

still havent played that sitll need to play that

[vivid belfry]

probably outer wilds for me as well

I want to say Ciconia but I know that's recency bias talking

[exotic dome]

it leaves a trace for newly explored areas that's pretty genius wow

[light swan]

ya its like her hair tendrils trailing after her

[opaque sigil]

what is that some kind of memory? in orbit?

[orchid locust]

i would say so many things about outer wilds but i’m trying to make myself forget about it so i can do a second playthrough

[opaque sigil]

we've all been there, never heard of it working sadly

[vivid belfry]

I definitely forgot the solution to the final puzzle

so a second playthrough would provide some value to me

[opaque sigil]

I think I forgot like half of one of the major eote puzzles

[light swan]

old nick wilde had a child

[orchid locust]

nah trust i played it in like 2022 and i’ve forgotten like half of the lore and puzzle solutions so i’m on track to play it again by 2030

[light swan]

and their name was... outer wild

[lavish apex]

hallownest is mine unironically

xc1 puts up a big fight though

[opaque sigil]

hallownest is a respectable pick

the vessel in mio is also definitely up there

[heady iron]

Mine is dead space

[light swan]

im just a guy for big worlds you get lost in

bilewater :D

but also running around in xcx places like noctilum or whatever and just getting engrossed and then coming upon this waterfall place and then coming on the cliffs and looking down at the waterfall place i wa at, its just so damn good

[vivid belfry]

New Kunlun is up there as well imo

I mean not in terms of the environment design necessarily, but the lore

[lavish apex]

mira is great

[light swan]

and afterimage just gets me addicted for so long just exploring every inch and shit

[restive hearth]

after finishing outer wilds and tunic, im left with a void that i have no idea how to fill D:

[light swan]

ya thats fair

[lavish apex]

manages to take a lot of almost tropey concepts and make them super memorable with a lot of cool landmarks

[light swan]

i still need to replay nine sols

[lavish apex]

stuff like the giant ring in oblivia etc

[light swan]

yea

[restive hearth]

like i need games similar to outer wilds and tunic, just that metroidbrania style gameplay

[graceful oyster]

I like MIO more than both!

[vivid belfry]

what's your opinion on... murder mysteries

nevermind

I can't help you

[ancient mortar]

Honestly one of my favorite settings in gaming is olathe, but specifically the version of olathe in Lisa: the pointless.

[light swan]

i also feel like aionios is really up there but people just dont get it tbh

[graceful oyster]

I am an avid OW and Tunic enjoyer but MIO takes the cake

[opaque sigil]

I love aionios

[light swan]

like i remember for the first time playing through the game right

[graceful oyster]

Tunic has better music

[light swan]

i thought i got a lot of the world done, but then i went and did a bit more exploring in pentelas region

went down the urayan trail and somehow ended up discovering a whole half of the fornis region

[ancient mortar]

Has anyone here played lisa the pointless? its a great rpgmaker game

[restive hearth]

i like the music in tunic but i wish some of the tracks would just have a bit more "omph" ya know

[light swan]

not yet

[lavish apex]

doesn't hit that well for me

[ancient mortar]

Lisa the pointless has one of the strangest and most interesting settings ever imo

[light swan]

people just dont like aionios because of the areas vibes

[vivid belfry]

I haven't played any of the LISA games but I've heard good things

[lavish apex]

stuff like elaice highway is cool ig

[light swan]

which i get it but also like, if xc1 and xc2 didnt exist then this shit would be peak

[opaque sigil]

???

[graceful oyster]

Well. MIO's got some oomf.

[light swan]

theres not much with the same oomph as uraya or satorl marsh for example

[opaque sigil]

that's true

[light swan]

since its a combination of two worlds and stuff

even though the worldi s still crazy beautiful

[restive hearth]

maybe ill give mio a shot in a bit, still kinda burnt out on regular metroidvanias

[lavish apex]

erythia is a biiiiig highlight but also it's just eryth and leftheria smashed together

[light swan]

i really wish swordmarch was bigger because that area is fucking awesome

[lavish apex]

not that that isn't a cool idea

[ancient mortar]

Really good games, mind the content warnings though shit covers some HEAVY subject matter. Pointless isnt as heavy but more surreal and it's my favorite but painful is also incredible.

[grim forum]

Why last judge so hard 🙁

[opaque sigil]

yeah the base of the sword is great

[light swan]

yea this is what i mean, most of aionios is like this and that kind of sours it for some people

[vivid belfry]

I can handle heavy subject matter

[orchid locust]

is it like rdr2 in terms of like serene open nature

[restive hearth]

u know ur not gonna like our response so why ask?

[light swan]

have not played rdr2

[vivid belfry]

final boss of act 1

[opaque sigil]

if you don't have it the magma bell can really help, forge daughter sells it

[fringe jungle]

bit of a difficulty jump but you got it

[light swan]

like these areas are fucking beautiful but because they’re not they’re own special thing people don’t care as much

[mental arch]

charli xcx reference

what game is that those zones look beautiful

[light swan]

xenoblade chronicles 3

[light swan]

the game gets discounted just cuz theres no uraya but its still amazing

[young saffron]

sea of sorrow next month

[light swan]

i do think it has a problem of too many rocky sand areas though, theres no reason why syras hovering reefs and elaice highway need to have that sandy ground

ruins the vibes a bit

[fringe jungle]

that would be kinda crazy

[light swan]

but thats a more valid complaint than "this area is not as cool cuz its these two mashed together"

[fringe jungle]

especially with two indie game sequels I've been following getting release dates next month

[young saffron]

im pretty sure itll be out within march / april but hey I told that for silksong from 2020-2025

[ancient mortar]

Lisa the painful is the best place to start, though you can play lisa the first for more context on the backstory. it's not super long. but it's not required reading.

[sullen smelt]

Hi

[vivid belfry]

are the lisa games heavy on gameplay or are they more exploration and story centric

[fringe jungle]

genuinely you never know given how team cherry likes to operate

before you know it they're getting carried away and it drops in like September

[young saffron]

rn im keeping busy with Overwatch and Mewgenics and maybe a replay of silksong

[fringe jungle]

I'm kinda waiting on slay the spire 2 and grime 2 to drop

both are releasing at the start and end of march respectively

[vivid belfry]

I've been keeping insanely busy by reading the entire fucking When They Cry series

[ancient mortar]

Its kind of a blend, some exploration, a lot of combat (though its actually fun combat which is really rare for rpgmaker games, some of the best of the genre id say) And a lot of story. Its narrative is definitely central to the game. Its kinda similar to omori in its gameplay story balancing id say?

[vivid belfry]

which has a word count of roughly 2.4 million

[ancient mortar]

though the combats better than omori

[vivid belfry]

that's crazy I thought it was just standard RPGmaker fare

[ancient mortar]

Lisa has really good status effects and team building. Also its choices have a lot more consequence than most games

[fringe jungle]

honestly not the highest bar to surpass; I only found omori's combat fun during bossfights

[vivid belfry]

is it just like, an RPG that actually tunes its combat or does it have some wacky mechanics

[trim estuary]

OMFG

[orchid locust]

i’m waiting for mindseye 2 and concord 2 and nba 2k27 to drop

[light swan]

why does shii have an evaporating dish

[restive hearth]

bruh concord 2 already happened, its called highguard lmao

[orchid locust]

oh right that came out 😭 😭

[ancient mortar]

Rather unique a lot of strange mechanics, crazy status effects, the combat is pretty tuned though there are some busted characters and abilities theres only a few. Your protag has a very interesting way of fighting and it's very hard to explain.

[exotic dome]

this is the best boss so far (mio)

[vivid belfry]

I'll look into it

[orchid locust]

a cat defeated

[vivid belfry]

I got a lot going on though

[exotic dome]

a cat

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/um-cat-whar-what-erm-gif-2017621828615212829

Why hurt acat?

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-cat-cat-stare-rigby-tongue-gif-12118654088387148905

[light swan]

havent you only fought one other boss

[young saffron]

is Mio that good?

[exotic dome]

i fought ||egis||, ||crow||, and ||flora|| too

[light swan]

oh i fortgot you could get to those

well i remembered but didnt know wtf am i sayibg

[light swan]

yes its reallly that good, ive been more hyped for mio than silksong

back before iether game released

[young saffron]

Weirdly, silksong left me empty? probs cause for how long we waited

[young saffron]

Guh 15 dollars

[light swan]

mio is so damn good man

[ancient mortar]

The culture of hyping up games for years i think ruins them for a lot of people, nothing can keep up with those expectations

[light swan]

surpassed every expectation despite my already crazy expectations

[rough anvil]

This NEEDS to be real 💔

Oh my god is that enlivened trobbio

[sweet canopy]

yo does anybody happen to know what that little hornet icon on my save file signifies, if anything

at some point before 100% it used to be a spiral

[rough anvil]

That you're hornet

[sweet canopy]

i am indeed hornet.

[exotic dome]

i think it shows up when you beat lost lace

[sweet canopy]

hmm interesting

[exotic dome]

im not 100% sure tho

[ancient mortar]

true ending completion

[sweet canopy]

i can't remember if that icon was present before LL but that's def a possibility

aweosmesauce.

[eager creek]

Yea, each ending has their own little icon that appears on the save file

[sweet canopy]

i suppose the spiral is for finishing act 2 then?

[ancient mortar]

the icon is the sigil for the act you are on then the ending if you get true ending

[sweet canopy]

OHH ok that makes sense

[slender juniper]

@light swan what the fuck do I do here

[exotic dome]

another new word for green trobbio

[plush plover]

@fiery scroll to answer your question there is only 2 things you can miss in act 2 if you go to act 3 that are optional to do anyways

[light swan]

reminder that you can hairpin the middle

[plush plover]

shakra and garmond fights and resulting journal entries

[slender juniper]

Yes,and then what

[light swan]

you can hit the middle one twice, hairpin up, hit that one twice

[ancient mortar]

spoiler tag mio stuff pls

[slender juniper]

I forgor

[fiery scroll]

we can fight shakra???

[slender juniper]

[fiery scroll]

wheree

[sweet canopy]

not required though

[plush plover]

yes its a friendly duel of sorts

[sweet canopy]

i personally never got her entry

i should though lowkey .

[plush plover]

you have to complete trails end in act 2 i believe then meet her in greymoor

[eager creek]

Complete trails end then go to greymoor right outside bellhart

[exotic dome]

punch shakras ring in moorwing arena after completing shakras quest

[ancient mortar]

only in late act 2 locked off in act 3

[sweet canopy]

yea in greymoor you'll see a little baton in the ground that you can ring to summon her i think

the same kind you'd use to summon her if you wanted to purchase anything from her

[heady iron]

pet the dog mechanic, 0/10

[sweet canopy]

near the bellhart entrance

[fiery scroll]

i just beat the cog work dancers , will she be there now??

[light swan]

dude i hate it so much

theres a mod that turns hairpin into an attack

you can hairpin the dog

BUT IT DOESNT LET YOU ATTACK IT

[fiery scroll]

yeahh like in bone bottom

[exotic dome]

i just pet that horse too

[sweet canopy]

uuumm im pretty sure you need to follow through with shakra's whole questline in order to be able to duel with her

[fiery scroll]

oohhh

[sweet canopy]

you know how she keeps talking about wanting to find her master

[grim forum]

You know what would really help?

[fiery scroll]

like finding her master ?

[sweet canopy]

bingo

[fiery scroll]

yeahh

[sweet canopy]

just keep interacting with her whenever you run into her

you'll get there eventually

[sweet canopy]

why woulg hornet say this 💔💔💔💔💔💔

[light swan]

@exotic dome guess who im about to fight

[exotic dome]

lore accurate hornet

[fiery scroll]

i think ill get the double jump first , as ig ill have to get the bilewater map

[slender juniper]

She killed 5 gay people

[ancient mortar]

I can't believe she said this

[slender juniper]

[sweet canopy]

double jump is insanely useful for bilewater thats a smart idea

[exotic dome]

a cat

[sweet canopy]

genuinely noped out of bilewater for a billion hours until i got double jump and wall cling

[exotic dome]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/194772750957674497/1006992106079928320/ezcr0q4vnug91.gif

[grim forum]

I wish i had magnetite dice equipped and in action, OH WAIT

[fiery scroll]

which game is ts?

[sweet canopy]

it made the whole area so much easier to traverse

[light swan]

MIO: Memories In Orbit

[fiery scroll]

yeahh suree , ill get it

[grim forum]

Is that 9 sols?

[light swan]

peak ass metroidvania

[fiery scroll]

alr ill give it a try

[light swan]

nine sols could never be this good

[grim forum]

Wow

Lowk installing MIO rn

[fiery scroll]

the boss fights are pretty good man , you cant disrespect like that 😭 💔 🥀

[sweet canopy]

isnt nine sols 2d anyway

[plush plover]

what the scallop

[sweet canopy]

man thats another game i should play at some point

[slender juniper]

Nine souls is mid

[vivid belfry]

the only thing that Nine Sols doesn't knock out of the park is exploration, but that's low on my priority list

[plush plover]

we say things

[sweet canopy]

nah dude it looks cool

thats all the convincing i need

[light swan]

i didnt say nine sols was bad

[plush plover]

trueee its really good but i do lowk prefer hk/sk exploration more (havent hopped mio yet so i cant say much)

[light swan]

its an amazing game its actually peak

[sweet canopy]

battle system looks pretty neat

[grim forum]

Kinda funny how in the trailer for mio one of the reviews is "might be the first banger of 2026" or smth

[light swan]

the BEST banger of 2026

[fiery scroll]

can say that

[light swan]

id be surprised and REALLY happy if theres another game thats better than mio releasing this year

[slender juniper]

Its only february

[heady iron]

iono where to go

[slender juniper]

What if mio 2 drops

[sweet canopy]

if we round up it's march

[light swan]

down right of where you are right now

[heady iron]

there's a wind gust

[light swan]

or here

[fiery scroll]

nine sols doesnt have much part of the game based on exploration , its linear and story based , you cant fight a boss at your own will you have to go according to the story

[slender juniper]

Excuses

[plush plover]

well yes but that doesnt mean much of anything

arguably silksongs exploration is pretty linear too

[light swan]

i will say that i personally think mios exploration is MUCH better than silksongs

[light swan]

only for act 1, which is stinky

[plush plover]

(without skips and stuff specifically)

yeah

[opaque sigil]

yeah no contest

[plush plover]

this gives me high hopes then

[sweet canopy]

i feel like silksong is a healthy mix of pure exploration and story-based progression

there are many points in time where you can simply just drop what you're doing and go do something else for hours

i think whether it's more one thing over the other is up to the player

[young saffron]

seriously?? I feel like the most captivating experience of hollow knight was exploration and silksong only builds on that.

For mio to actually surpass it would make me cry tears of joy

[slender juniper]

Celeste: the metroidvania

[exotic dome]

most of my freinds dropped hk because crossroads and grenpath has a bad level design

[plush plover]

i think in act 2 onwards yeah but in act 1 it does kinda suck to feel locked to a specific path if you arent skipping things like bell beast into wormways or doing act 2 onwards stuff in act 1

[orchid locust]

exploration is a lot more important to me than combat and i can confirm that i love mio’s exploration way more than silksong or even hk

[exotic dome]

silksongs linearity takes too long imo. it shouldve lasted until you get swift step

[slender juniper]

Go play it

[plush plover]

based …

[exotic dome]

mios shortcuts are amazing

[sweet canopy]

i wouldn't say it's bad tbh but it did feel pretty labrynthine to me as a first time player

[light swan]

and youve just passed the demo of the game btw

[sweet canopy]

hard agree

[slender juniper]

Hollow knight is linear until you get claw, but you can still choose wheter to go from queens station of forgotten crossroads

[young saffron]

How long yall taking to beat mio?

[slender juniper]

25 hours and I still havent gotten true end

[light swan]

~25 for normal ending, ~37 for true ending, ~55 hours for 100%

[sweet canopy]

silksong definitely gives you a bit more wiggle space than hollow knight at least from my experience, but then again that might be because pharloom is significantly larger than hallownest....

[light swan]

but i took my time and smelt the flowers

[opaque sigil]

17.5 hours for true ending by the game's timer

[exotic dome]

i think without wall jump you cant really do much in a metroidvania game, maybe thats why it feels linear

[sweet canopy]

true......................

[exotic dome]

silksong becomes non linear after shellwood too

[sweet canopy]

yup

[slender juniper]

You can choose 3 ways to get to shellwood as well

[ancient mortar]

I mean you can reach shellwood through two different routes so

[eager creek]

I mean, in a way it sort of is. There's a couple different routes to Shellwood too (wormways v far fields)

[sweet canopy]

wait whats the second route?

[slender juniper]

Does skipping lace count as a route?

[slender juniper]

Wormways

[sweet canopy]

ohhh

[light swan]

im doing a no energy ability run of mio right now

this shit is CRAZY

[sweet canopy]

forgor

[opaque sigil]

is that even possible

[exotic dome]

ah i forgot about wormways

[slender juniper]

You can :go throught shellwood with key
Lace route
Deep docks key route

[light swan]

according to the devs, ||the blood eye and breath|| are all possible but they havent managed to do the last one

[heady iron]

Mio's alright so far but it could do with more double damage enemies

[thorny linden]

i got 100% on silksong :D

[sweet canopy]

deep docks key route ./.....???

[slender juniper]

Simple key door in deep docks, brings you to far

[sweet canopy]

YAYY

welcome to da club

[light swan]

i already got amytis and i could do asma but i dont feel like it so im doing some crazy skips to get to 🚪🚪 and get to the rest of this ability

[thorny linden]

i feel so proud :D

[sweet canopy]

OH THE SIMPLE KEY ok yea makes sense

[thorny linden]

i will prob open another file now

[sweet canopy]

felt so good to see that achievement

[thorny linden]

135 hours total

[opaque sigil]

how does the blood work

[slender juniper]

I accidentaly did a skip first playthrough

[sweet canopy]

i also took around 115 or so hours to get to 100% im kind of glad im not the only one

[light swan]

well i cant go up since i dont have hairpin so i need to go down and fight this boss

[thorny linden]

do i have to beat lost lace again for the achivement?

[sweet canopy]

the completion achievement requires you to beat the game after getting to 100% yes

[opaque sigil]

no like ||don't you need strider to get to the blood||

[thorny linden]

something to do

[light swan]

oh, you should be able to get through it with the right timing of dodges and attacks

[thorny linden]

i already beat her once, shouldnt be too hard

[sweet canopy]

its the same for completion & pure completion in hollow knight too

[thorny linden]

beat her with full hp too :P

[sweet canopy]

you got this

light work no reaction

[slender juniper]

Beast crest or hunter barbed bracelet her, its fun

[sweet canopy]

thats an idea.

[thorny linden]

i never use hunter barbed bracelet

[orchid locust]

would you like to read my comprehensive mio review

[thorny linden]

4 dmg on a hit is wild

[slender juniper]

Dont its bad

[plush plover]

yes

have you done one for 9sols yet

[sweet canopy]

every time i think i can use barbed bracelet to shorten the time im fighting a boss i am violently humbled

[plush plover]

Actually how far along are you in 9sols even

[slender juniper]

Barbed bracelets only exception is hunters crest since it stacks with its damagw bonus

[light swan]

have youy even beatne the game

[tulip mango]

can anyone tell me where the third cogheart piece is? i already got from memorium and choral chambers

[slender juniper]

Its a 25% diference bruh

Dont equip it unless youre using hunters

[sweet canopy]

it should be in high halls if i remember correctly.....?

[plain tundra]

Barbed Brace is for masochists first and foremost

[slender juniper]

Vaults

[sweet canopy]

oh yea whispering vaults

my bad

[sweet canopy]

oh i think i was thinking of the cogfly room when i said high halls lol my bad

[orchid locust]

no it’s just based on my 30 hours of playing

[tulip mango]

thanks

[tulip mango]

lol

[sweet canopy]

this game is massive i dont think i remember where like 90% of collectibles come from

[solid grail]

I feel like hunter and BB are going to be the new meta once Godseeker mode come out

[orchid locust]

i beat the old guy with the laser robot and then i started mio and i liked it better than nine sols so that took precedence and i’ll finish that before continuing nine sols

[sweet canopy]

hmm i think i will start a new steel soul file.

surely this will be the one guys

[last shale]

Do you all agree that Silksong is the best souls game?

[sweet canopy]

ITS PEAK

[last shale]

Yesssss

[opaque sigil]

silksong is not a souls game

[slender juniper]

Silksong isnt a souls game

[sweet canopy]

i see "game" mentioned in sentence. i lock the fuck in

also hello fellow uma player

[slender juniper]

The only souls trait skong has is grave retrieval

[slender juniper]

But so does minecraft and its not a souls

[last shale]

[sweet canopy]

people seem to describe it more as souls-like

[heady iron]

if it isn't a souls game then why is it hard

[slender juniper]

Life is a souls game ig

[exotic dome]

what counts as a souls game

[plush plover]

||yanlao?||

[sweet canopy]

when you think about it our lives are all just one really long steel soul file

[last shale]

It needs to be hard and have bonfire equivalents in

[slender juniper]

Harsh dificulty,grave retrieval, souls leveling system ,diferent weapon types and stats

[slender juniper]

No

Skong may have a weapons system "crests' but they do the same amount of damage and are more like diferent playstyles

[solid grail]

We can't bench warp tho

[sweet canopy]

they patched it a while back yeah

[exotic dome]

sekiro has no leveling system and no different weapons but counts as a soulslike

[sweet canopy]

#happens

[slender juniper]

But a crucial part of souls games stats are missing

[solid grail]

Also if we can bench warp and our bench is destroyed how would it work

[light swan]

i did the boss hitless wtf im so locked in

[sweet canopy]

Hmmm. Thats A Good Question

[slender juniper]

I never played sekiro idk

[orchid locust]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

nice

[solid grail]

I just googled soulslike and one of the first images that popped up is HK

[sweet canopy]

havent even been playing silksong dawg ive just been listening to the menu theme for the past 35 minutes

[last shale]

Dark Souls is a metroidvania

[solid grail]

Also how much would a bench have to be destroyed to count as destroyed

If we gradually take apart a bench and replace it with new parts would it be the same bench

[slender juniper]

I would love if the next HK game had a weapons system and all were actually balanced

[earnest drift]

silksong did it okay except for red tools

[slender juniper]

Like a bow ,the bail the thurible etc

[exotic dome]

i died to cauldron boss 4 times 💔

[sweet canopy]

i never really cared for the weapon balance tbh i just used whatever worked

[light swan]

dude low % mio would go SO hard if you could do the last voice with only dodge ability

[plush plover]

when you hop back on you will atleast have the relief of knowing he is easy

[slender juniper]

Reapers

[light swan]

me when the furnace is unyeilding

[earnest drift]

survival crest, it's not as unbalanced as architect

[solid grail]

Architect and Hunter would like a word with you

[exotic dome]

silksong did it okay except for yellow tools

compass should have been a permanent ability smh

[light swan]

crests arent very balanced

[slender juniper]

Architect deals damage through tools and hunters you need to activate a passive

[light swan]

id say shaman and beast and MAYBE witch are balanced

[sweet canopy]

real😭

[opaque sigil]

killed me a bunch more than that. That last phase is tricky

[light swan]

dude i love how mio combat is almost completely airborne

[slender juniper]

If there were weapons like nail bow and thurible, the thurible would do more damage but slower attack speed and better range, the bow would be slightly weaker but has great range when charged,the nail is just the nail but you can also parry

[opaque sigil]

the fact that horizontal attacks reset your jump is huge

[solid grail]

Architect can actually deal 110% of base damage

[sweet canopy]

just by default or??

[mellow totem]

guys im gonna do the climb

[orchid locust]

ik i beat cro already he was so easy i ain’t even have to kill him myself the space cancer did it for me

[sweet canopy]

which one 👀

[mellow totem]

the mount fay climb

[sweet canopy]

YESSS

GOOD LUCK !

[mellow totem]

hope its not too hard

[opaque sigil]

(Mio final boss)

[light swan]

all attacks

[sweet canopy]

requires a bit of precise platforming but youll be ok

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[light swan]

check this out

[solid grail]

It is calculated by 3 parts: initial 90% and 2 additional 10%

[light swan]

elevator!

[sweet canopy]

remember you get some room for error with clawline

[mellow totem]

wait dont tell me if shakra isnt there the bench u get it is gone

[sweet canopy]

ummm no i think it'll still stay there. but there'll be i think two more benches later on during the climb

so you won't always have to start from the bottom if you die

[solid grail]

Also SS got the range and attack speed, it just lacks variability in damage

[slender juniper]

For fay bring flintslate and weavelight

[light swan]

also the game is definitely built to allow you to do all these sequence breaks

[charred ruin]

real real real real real real

[solid grail]

Which is better imo because those two are apparent stats while damage is hidden

[light swan]

its so cool lol

[mellow totem]

k i got both

i activate the flint slate before i start doing the climb right

[slender juniper]

No when youre freezing

[light swan]

did yall know theres a hidden flower in a lategame area that exists PURELY so that you can go through it with 0 abilities

[slender juniper]

It stalls it

[sweet canopy]

what does flint slate do again

[mellow totem]

oh like when i start taking dmg?

[plain tundra]

1.5x weapon damage, can burn enemies

[charred ruin]

compass is genuinely so crucial the map is fucking massive but it doesnt give me any other benefit except telling me exactly where i am

[slender juniper]

Yup

[sweet canopy]

oh nice

[charred ruin]

50% more needle dmg

[plain tundra]

So does flintslate also slow down freezing?

[slender juniper]

It stalls it

[plain tundra]

Interesting

[sweet canopy]

theres a mod that permanently equips your compass without it taking up a slot in your crest i think

[charred ruin]

i know i have it its such a lifesaver

[sweet canopy]

hell yeaaa

[charred ruin]

wisp lantern also slows down freezing but you cant get that without double jump anyway its just a hidden mechanic

[plain tundra]

After a certain point don’t yall just remember where everything is

[slender juniper]

UNLESS

[mellow totem]

damn im almost ded already the freeze is hard

[sweet canopy]

genuinely did not even know wisp thicket was a place that existed until after i did everything i needed to do in mount fay 😭😭

[slender juniper]

Voltvessel pogos

[sullen smelt]

hi

[sweet canopy]

it takes a lot of practice yea

[light swan]

gosh fucking damnit this game is beautiful

[sweet canopy]

greetings!

[plain tundra]

Does pimpillo need mothwing?

[slender juniper]

No

[exotic dome]

yea its difficult

[charred ruin]

no i have the directional sense of a scarab trying to fly

[light swan]

I MADE IT TO @opaque sigil it was really easy lol

[plain tundra]

So is that also an option?

[light swan]

you just attack > parry > attack and youre through

[mental snow]

Here's a fun Silksong fact.

Lost Lace has 1800 health. Delver's Drill does 98 damage maximum, and has 18 ammo. If all drills hit perfectly, that's 1764 damage dealt, meaning you would only need 2 normal needle hits to kill her after all the drills are used.

[sweet canopy]

i wonder if anybody here actually skipped all the way to the slab on their first playthrough via getting kidnapped by the flies

[opaque sigil]

oh nice

[slender juniper]

Yes,not on current patch tool pogos are gone

[earnest drift]

good luck hitting her with drill while she's not staggered

[fiery scroll]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FDtR7kAGinU?si=lT64obwcSgHbESp5

[plain tundra]

They patched tool pogos?

[charred ruin]

unfortunately shes never still enough for maximum damage

[plain tundra]

Team Cherry hates fun smh

[sweet canopy]

lace is the ultimate Scuttler

[earnest drift]

i started using delver's drill because it's not a ranged weapon and it complements snitch pick more than other red tools

[charred ruin]

real

[light swan]

MIO is more of a spider than hornet is

[earnest drift]

and i love snitch pick

[sweet canopy]

lace vs radiance . hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[mental snow]

Oh yeah I lost my Steel Soul to the Rhino.

I fucking hate that stupid piece of shit.

[opaque sigil]

at least one game leverages the idea of spider climbing for platforming

[light swan]

whispering vaults vs ancient basin, coughing bomb vs hydrogen baby

[earnest drift]

i'm a lace glazer but why are we putting here against the gods of dreams 😭

lost lace would wreck her though

[sweet canopy]

true ending final bosses

[ancient mortar]

Illusion have you done nohit lost lace yet im in hell

[mental snow]

Wouldn't a coughing bomb just be tear gas

[earnest drift]

if they fought in the abyss, lost lace wins

[sweet canopy]

LOL yeah

[light swan]

the one other boss who uses spider like you do is named spidey in the files

[earnest drift]

otherwise radiance wins

[light swan]

[plain tundra]

Lace when silkeater:

[light swan]

no i havent cared enough, eventually maybe

[sweet canopy]

wait is post p5 or dream no more the true ending for hollow knight i genuienly do not know this

[earnest drift]

we still don't know

[charred ruin]

p5

[sweet canopy]

ive always assumed its just dream no more since p5 is purely optional

INTERESTING .

[opaque sigil]

ambiguous between the two of them

[ancient mortar]

Shes a great target for wavedashing

[mellow totem]

my first death

[earnest drift]

actually both are canon and both timelines merged into the final product of silksong because hk is a multiverse now

[sweet canopy]

yay

[charred ruin]

TC originally said all endings are equally canon but now thats been retconned with skongs true ending

[plain tundra]

I think Lugioli could kill GMS

[slender juniper]

Nobody knows cannon ending. TC probably merged dream no more and patheon into one

[sweet canopy]

im so happy they made the daughter of three queens thing canon oh my god

[plain tundra]

Unironically and lore-wise

[soft belfry]

Couldn't the vessels have fused anyway even without the pantheon ending

[sweet canopy]

thats possible

[eager creek]

That was also... several years ago and things can change? In theory, at least two of the endings can still be canon

[soft belfry]

My friend was asking why vespa became thin, is that true

[arctic epoch]

all ending is canon

[sweet canopy]

wait was she not before?

[soft belfry]

He thought the giant bee in the hive was her

[light swan]

ok guys big question

[charred ruin]

not the vessels but shades possibly yes

[sweet canopy]

OH

[light swan]

do i get shairpin if i dont have hairpin

[sweet canopy]

😭

[plain tundra]

Hear me out
If the same is true of skong, it’s a canon option that you never start ace 3, meaning hk’s ending is ambiguous

[sweet canopy]

i also subconsciously assumed they meant shades yea

[sweet canopy]

true!

anything is possible

[charred ruin]

sealed siblings isnt possible

[tepid mist]

hello people

[plain tundra]

Ok yeah that much is inevitable

[soft belfry]

Maybe it's a crazy timeline map thing like botw

Cos to make a sequel they need to pick 1 ending

[charred ruin]

with the existence of shade lord in true ending probably not

[plain tundra]

There’s actually no way to undo the seal in Sealed Siblings is there.

[sweet canopy]

hiii 🌊

[soft belfry]

But it doesn't make other endings less valid, it's just that we explore a possible continuation of one ending

[sweet canopy]

i assume not, that's what i've been wondering too. it makes that ending so much more desolate 😭

[charred ruin]

highly doubt it unless someone somehow manages to break into the tomb

[tepid mist]

what if i have a netherite pickaxe efficiency 4

[charred ruin]

but also hornet would probably already be dead rather than asleep

[sweet canopy]

get john hollowknight on the job

[soft belfry]

Might need the wither cannon things used by kenadian

[charred ruin]

true john hollowknight can do the impossible

[arctic epoch]

Sealed Siblings -> Silksong didn't happen or Silksong is the prequel

[light swan]

prequel!!!

[sweet canopy]

silksong is confirmed to be the sequel though is it not?

[charred ruin]

it is

[eager creek]

I think I've heard it said before that perhaps the silkflies would be capable of it, like the way they broke the seal on hornet's cage

[sweet canopy]

yea,,

[digital pilot]

What is a really really good Silksong steel heart and speed completion guide to follow

[light swan]

yall havent heard of the possibility that theres a game between hk and silksong

[sweet canopy]

👀

[tepid mist]

Hollow song: silkknight

[charred ruin]

guys were getting playable quirrel next

[sweet canopy]

speaking of which does anybody really know how much time passed between the end of hollow knight and the beginning of silksong

[charred ruin]

no

[sweet canopy]

people seem to have wildly different interpretations on this

[tepid mist]

I wish we dont get this game
We already know everything about quirrel + he has a comic

[light swan]

hollow knight lacelight

[charred ruin]

could be 10 years 100 years nobody knows

[tepid mist]

Hk adoption sim where hornet takes care of the hk

[plain tundra]

Shroomsong

[sweet canopy]

there's something about it that makes it feel like "within a year" is the most reasonable answer

[ancient mortar]

I hope if we get a third game its not connected to the previous games stories

[light swan]

where lace explores the forgotten serene kingdom, uncovers the secrets of the void civilization, and masters the everboom's light in order to combat the vicious void

[charred ruin]

i mean TC has ideas already for an unrelated game

[eager creek]

Tbh, I'm not sure if we really need a 3rd hk game in general

[sweet canopy]

this is funny when you take into account that both the knights are older than hornet

[tepid mist]

nah, we still have some unanswered questions

[tepid mist]

Still tho, the hk has the mentality of a beh beh

[plain tundra]

Do we know that for sure or

[ancient mortar]

answering every question is not great storytelling, also we still have dlc for this game coming

[tepid mist]

True

[sweet canopy]

knight can be baby. as a treat

[plain tundra]

Alrighty

[charred ruin]

lifeblood spire will be real🔥🔥

[ancient mortar]

i mean thats not really ever stated

[tepid mist]

i wanna find hegemol, i hope hes a really big flea

[tepid mist]

doesithavetobe.

[sweet canopy]

i do think that the hollow knight has a much more one dimensional personality and consciousness than most other sentient characters in the game though

[arctic epoch]

yes.

[grizzled sierra]

guys I found the 3rd hollow knight game in area 52 (Australian Area 51)

[tepid mist]

no.

[ancient mortar]

I mean, we don't know really anything about the hollow knights mind, assuming one explanation is true is baseless

[sweet canopy]

indeed, it's just how i like to think about it

[thorny quail]

australia mentioned 🤤

[charred ruin]

true there wasnt much room for character development considering they grew up in the white palace and then get locked up for who knows how long

[plain tundra]

Hey, so The Knight adopts grimm

[charred ruin]

bro never got to go outside

[plain tundra]

Does that mean Hornet is an aunt

[ancient mortar]

tk defo looks like a baby, and i definitely think thk has some arrested development due to it's upbringing

[sweet canopy]

its not outlandish to assume that their ways of feeling and perceiving things are incredibly different from basically everybody else though

[grizzled sierra]

anyways it seems like the 3rd game is very work in progress only 1 room has full art done

[sweet canopy]

yuppp

[grizzled sierra]

everything else is just the hitboxes

[sweet canopy]

is it a hot take to say that i think the knight develops an inkling of a consciousness through the progression of the game

[arctic epoch]

chill take

[sweet canopy]

man the free will of the vessels is.definitely an interesting concept to think about

[charred ruin]

i think the vessels only physically grow after they get out of the abyss at least cuz you never see any shades or vessels like thk in the abyss

tho idk what the case for the knight is given they got out of the abyss, traveled elsewhere, and then returned to hallownest

[sweet canopy]

my friend thinks the hollow knight got that tall because the pale king fed them good in the white palace LMFAO

[plain tundra]

https://preview.redd.it/ice-wraith-berdly-snowgrave-route-bonus-undertale-au-designs-v0-pny5hhe0cokf1.png?width=750&auto=webp&s=8878629631a5074b7d3a221e14aa83b7d61f6425

[arctic epoch]

🙏 fed what? 500 shaw?

[ancient mortar]

tks been out for a while. we only see that thk is bigger because they were "trained to prime form"

[sweet canopy]

500 shaw.

[charred ruin]

500 shawarmas

[ancient mortar]

the vessels don't grow normally as they are reanimated corpses

[eager creek]

I'm not sure we're even certain on how the vessels grow? I mean, we know thk was "raised to prime form" but for vessels like lost kin and greenpath (I think they're bigger? I don't actually remember) we don't know how they really got to that middle stage

[sweet canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276327376434888745/1395600412593356962/resize.webp

mmmmmm

[charred ruin]

lost kin is taller yeah

[mellow totem]

LESS GOO FIRST BENCH

[sweet canopy]

PROUD OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sweet canopy]

i always just assumed it was naturally a bit bigger from birth

idk if it's true that all the vessels were born the same size

[plain tundra]

Flashbacks?

[thorny quail]

favourited,favourited,favourited andddd favourited 😂 ✌️

[eager creek]

I would say probably? I don't think any of the vessels we see in the abyss have much size variation

[sweet canopy]

bro i keep forgetting that the knight took a little vacation before going back to hallownest

bro went to the seychelles

[ancient mortar]

The vessels are all the same age and only thk is that size. I think they are unique in that they were trained to peak form or magically enhanced by pks soul

[charred ruin]

imagine we get 3rd hk game thats a prequel in canon and we get to see other lands as the knight

[sweet canopy]

ugh that would be so peak

[exotic dome]

i still die wtf

[desert compass]

[charred ruin]

maybe pk force fed thk more void to grow up or some shit 😭

[desert compass]

3rd hk game and its us playing as the bell beast

[sweet canopy]

YES

[desert compass]

WE become the fast travel system

[last shale]

Trobbio is the next protagonist of the next HK game

[sweet canopy]

You are the Fast Travel System.

[ancient mortar]

I think if we get a new game i want a whole new part of the world with whole new characters we havent met, including a protag we havent met. I think adding too many sequels/ prequels to the story we have so far will bloat the plot and dilute it

[fallen wolf]

HK: Pablo

[sweet canopy]

how can we forget about pablo

i dont wanna go to classes in the morning why do i have to go study the things i paid to be here to study

[charred ruin]

i mean pk knows how to tamper with void given the suspiciously collector shaped mold in the void lab area

[desert compass]

hollow knight grandfather silk when

[sweet canopy]

grandfather......

[eager creek]

So real tbh. Why are they making me do the degree I paid for :[

[sweet canopy]

they should jsut give it to me because im so cute and awesome

[desert compass]

debatable

i lauv baby hornet shes so whimsical

[charred ruin]

maybe pk took thk's original body and mixed it with more void in a grown thk shaped mold to make grown thk look the way they do now

[gilded nymph]

Guys im blocked at the slab

I found 2/3 keys

[sweet canopy]

they should make it so that i can go to the dean and do a little dance and if they like it enough they give me my degree free of charge

[charred ruin]

thats enough to get out

[charred ruin]

TRUE

[fallen wolf]

Anno: Hallownest

[gilded nymph]

Yes but how

[ancient mortar]

I feel like too many sequels can kill a franchise

[gilded nymph]

I alr beat the guards and got my things back

[sweet canopy]

but NO!!!!!!!!!!! i have to go do some bull shit like . chemistry lab and differential equations /j

[charred ruin]

what about the zelda franchise

[fallen wolf]

I want to be Pale King

[desert compass]

[ancient mortar]

pretty bloated franchise yeah.

[sweet canopy]

rotational motion reference

bro is spinning along a central axis.

[gilded nymph]

@charred ruin i alr beat the guards and i got key of indolent and key of heretic i alr got out but its blocked how i get the last key

[ancient mortar]

zelda bought itself some time by having it's storys be largely separate and self contained but it is getting old.

[desert compass]

team cherry is more recognizable than some AAA companies lets be honest here and they got less games than I have on my steam library

[eager creek]

Go find the bell station. The last key isn't in slab

[charred ruin]

idk i forgot go ask in sk help

[gilded nymph]

Ok

[strange knot]

Hello

[gilded nymph]

I alr got out of bell station

[strange knot]

[sweet canopy]

hi!!!

[gilded nymph]

But i cant find a way to go

[desert compass]

I cannot write an honest unbiased steam review of silksong because I’m a wanderer crest main 😹🥀🙏

the only time I will do that is when I main witch or beast creast

[rough anvil]

Wanderer's crest is so braindead😭😭what

[fallen wolf]

here it comes

[sweet canopy]

wanderer crest users are banned from writing steam reviews for anything in general /j

[rough anvil]

Oh i didnt see this. Sorry

God damn crest facetanked lost lace

[desert compass]

the whole time I thought to myself “wait chat this lowk easy” then realized I was just playing on easy mode

[ancient mortar]

Wanderers isn't even the strongest crest lol

[desert compass]

SO to stay true to the silksong spirit I will only rate this game once ive played on the actual crests that need skill

[sweet canopy]

silksong lunatic mode

[charred ruin]

twin play hyper aggressive sawtooth circlet build

its fun i promise twin

[desert compass]

????????????

“play witch crest pogo only” is what i got from that

[desert compass]

and to make it better im not using parry OR pale nails

[charred ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/average-witch-crest-speed-kill-gif-16326558384304353968

[sweet canopy]

FUCK EM UP HORNET

[desert compass]

hornet the new king von

[sharp slate]

probably, and sharpdarting guarentees the cyclone after two slashes from the triple slash im pretty sure, need to a do a bit more testing

[next turret]

I love the down pogo of hunters but I keep getting hit a ton and I really wanna use my cross stitch more, should I switch to reaper crest?

[desert compass]

counterpoint: longclaw shaman

[fallen wolf]

if you want to be my grandpa, yes

[ancient mortar]

cross stitch is best on hunters. as it helps you avoid hits and therefore preserve focus

[viscid tendon]

What a save

[charred ruin]

shaman also works got hyperaggressive sawtooth circlet use its just harder to master