sk-discussion

[finite swift]

thinking of how Hallownest is somehwat isolated but then there are other kingdoms is kinda cool to me

[orchid locust]

ok but why do they have to interact in war why cant it be like the inter bug olympics or sm

[finite swift]

"Bug olympics" 💔 💔

[elder notch]

In terms of society Pharloom is definitely more advanced than Hallownest. I kinda see pharloom as this sci-fi steampunk victorian era society and Hallownest as a fantasy medieval society

[finite swift]

I like how you think

Bug rascism

[elder notch]

Though prime Hallownest would almost certainly be a better place to live in than prime Pharloom

[finite swift]

Imagine what the average Hallownest citizen thinks about the robots in the Cogwork core 💔

[random bronze]

"clanker"

[finite swift]

Isnt Prime Pharloom just different Kingdoms and Prime Hallownest was under Pale Kings rule (excluding Deep nest, Hive)

Conductor is a insane title and it goes hard I cant lie

[elder notch]

Yeah but just in general for the average bug

[finite swift]

I'd imagine Hallownest and Pharloom accidentally crossovering like this

god this is making me want to write a fanfic

[final mantle]

fire pfp i love slay the princess so much

[finite swift]

Citadels little reeds would slime the guards in the city of tears
imo

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

(i say while barely updating my own.)

[finite swift]

Khann would be thrilled at the City of Tears

[cerulean sable]

Team Cherry x Fanta

[ancient mortar]

khann would conquer blue lake

[cerulean sable]

Is it viable

[finite swift]

Im taking notes of this

[elder notch]

There's nothing to conquer it's just one room

[ancient mortar]

He controls the crust so he could probably build a coral tower there. and crustify the region.

[patent heath]

@marsh spoke

[ancient mortar]

Control over the city of tears source of water is a pretty significant thing to have.

[patent heath]

Nvm her last message was 5 minutes ago.

My bad, gang.

[finite swift]

wait Nyleth would literally trhive in Green Path

[patent heath]

Hi bean.

[ancient mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1446566702098939914/caption.gif

[patent heath]

Bye beans.

[dry hare]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-take-a-gaze-let's-take-a-gaze-ryoshu-limbus-limbus-company-gif-8870047336637307749

[patent heath]

Okay.

[elder notch]

Was the blue lake their water source? Didn't the blue lake just start to leak over the city of tears sometime after Hallownest's collapse?

[finite swift]

We aren't sure
Though, look at the protector of the City of Tears

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rain-world-watcher-gif-15345038142849397779

[dry hare]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slugcat-rainworld-scug-rivulet-gif-5584581312717513367

[finite swift]

Would Pale King attempt to kill GMS

[patent heath]

Not really a protector. More like an observer.

He just watches the city.

And notes down his readings.

[finite swift]

conductors are so cute i want more content

[patent heath]

Somewhere.

[elder notch]

I don't think he can do anything to her except seal her

[dry hare]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-gif-18185912

[ancient mortar]

To me he kinda seems like the royal spymaster kinda thing. He keeps an eye on the goings ons in the city and informs the king.

[finite swift]

we geniunelly need more lore on this guy

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-orville-orville-500-cigarettes-bortus-cigarette-gif-7817588290560023790

[patent heath]

500 rosaries.

[elder notch]

In a general war Pure Vessel would carry hard but would get overwhelmed just by the sheer amount of bugs

[dry hare]

500 gauntlets

[ancient mortar]

Still not over pebb charging like 500 rosaries for a fuckin key she just found in a dump and doesnt know where it goes to. Like you lucky im a video game protag and actually get use out of this.

[dry hare]

not as bad as jubilana and the white key

[ancient mortar]

Jubliana is a true capitalist. Takes something you used to be able to get for free and then charges you a outlandish price.

[pine talon]

does the time stop when you pause the game?

[patent heath]

Perfect representation of the Citadel.

[dry hare]

not in real life no

[pine talon]

sk

does it?

[ionic stump]

For some reason I find parrying easier in silksong rather than hk

[pine talon]

cuz I have a habit of just leaving the game in the back

[dry hare]

yes i believe so

[ancient mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295244891559034922/1465120961069191363/1079843688_7033_9063SaladBowl.gif

[pine talon]

and I am currently trying to do steel soul

[elder notch]

Honestly a real winning condition for Hallownest I see is just for the pale king finding a way to wake up GMS so she could just take over the weavers

[dry hare]

that lizard that i hate

[patent heath]

It is easier in SS than in HK.

[ancient mortar]

They are good dogs. do not slander the lizor

[ionic stump]

Most of my hk parries are accidents

[stable narwhal]

parrying is indeed much easier in silksong

[dry hare]

the only lizards that i truly hate are the blind ones in the vents near the end of the game

[stable narwhal]

i returned to hk assuming i can just parry stuff like in sk

i was wrong

[pine talon]

I watched soooooooo many videos in like a single night of diff youtubers on crests and other stuff and holy witch crest is insane

[ionic stump]

In sk sometimes I parry some 2 damage attacks

Like the widow rush

[ancient mortar]

Yeah they made if more of a core mechanic more necessary for fights, rather than like a bonus thing.

[stable narwhal]

wdym i cant parry by generally swinging in the enemy's hitbox direction

[ancient mortar]

so it makes sense they made it easier

[ionic stump]

In hk i remember accidentally parrying thk attack

[ancient mortar]

Clearly you havent played watcher dlc

[stable narwhal]

i like parrying in sk more though, makes me feel good

[nimble fable]

anyone know how many lines of code this has

[dry hare]

you’re right i haven’t should i be scared

oh i also hate the birds in shaded citadel

forgot what they were called

[ancient mortar]

Never forget the im firin mah laser! Lizards And the smelly lizards that poison you by getting near them.

thank god they are only in 2 small regions.

[nimble fable]

no really

[dry hare]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-five-pebbles-gangnam-style-dance-videocult-gif-13897813301950053077

[ionic stump]

Tbf most of my sk parries are just spamming attack button when the opponent also attacks

But it works

[stable narwhal]

same

[finite swift]

hello silskogn

[stable narwhal]

silksong is a better game for aura farming

[ionic stump]

I love the needolin

[stable narwhal]

buhhhhh i need the dlc now

[ionic stump]

What I don't love is sinners road

[languid hound]

Sup

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hornet-lace-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-14458044650958640750

[stable narwhal]

hi pancake

[ionic stump]

Especially the bench area

[dry hare]

some areas are worse

[stable narwhal]

explodes you with my mind

[trail holly]

hello siklsong

[ionic stump]

I am still on act 1 so i haven't been through Bilewater

[trail holly]

bilewater is accessible in act 1

[dry hare]

bilewater isn’t TOO bad i’m mostly talking about another area

[finite swift]

I need more lore on conductors theyre kinda cool

[trail holly]

putrified ducts?

[dry hare]

yeah

[ionic stump]

Well imma go get trapped by the flies just for the vibe

[trail holly]

bilewater is an awesome section

[ionic stump]

And bc I want to hear red maiden ost in game

[earnest drift]

the conductors most likely deemed verdania "doomed to be forgotten" because grand mother silk chose to target the area specifically and the conductors were afraid of gms

[ancient mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1451071795389272074/image0.gif

ok gn all

[ionic stump]

Pop enjoyers

[languid hound]

Bye by3

[dry hare]

goodnight

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-hollowknight-silk-song-gif-14798537597624260957

[languid hound]

I stared my 5 hour speedrun, 1 hour in and very stressed all the time

[finite swift]

Imagine being a pharlid, just wandering around and shit and sunddely you gained thoughts and your body is forced to evolved

[earnest drift]

the beauty of motherhood

[languid hound]

Damn, kind of like babies, meaning we are silksong

[finite swift]

Mind you
Healing is a Weaver ability from birth, and GMS refused to give Lace AND phantom that ability

Lace had no way to heal herself between combats, lest GMS know who she fought

Steel soul be damned

[earnest drift]

yeah she wanted lace to be dependent on her for silk

lace makes up for it with durability though

[heady iron]

The pharlids get phreaky

[finite swift]

Reading Weaver lore oh my god after the infection of Hallownest THEY RETURNED TO PHARLOOM???

[earnest drift]

yep

they probably thought they could regain some power there

but nope they all died

[finite swift]

Silksong lore lowkey crazy

[earnest drift]

better than hk's ngl

[finite swift]

As much as Hollow Knights lore go deep and insanely cool

[graceful oyster]

Mio lore better

[finite swift]

Silksong is cooler

Silksongs way of presenting Religion is great

I always wonder why there was a conductor hat IN the pit of the dead bodies inside of the whiteward

I imagine his death was being slowly eaten death, getting dragged down with the husk of dead bugs

[earnest drift]

did hollow knight have commentary on real world issues

[finite swift]

uhhhh
....covid 19

[earnest drift]

lmaoooo no

[livid bison]

Hi

[finite swift]

Silksongs lore go so deep i love it

[rocky lotus]

it comments on the danger of fluffy white moths

[dry hare]

hollow knight is awesome but some things were definitely underexplained or just not explained at all, like crystal peak

[finite swift]

What about crystal peak though

[earnest drift]

to be fair silksong has some underexplained stuff too

though it feels more interconnected and less "out there"

[livid bison]

Hi guys

[earnest drift]

while hk casually throws out the name of an unseen higher being

bLaCk WyRm

[finite swift]

pale king but black

Filthy Monarch

wait is that racist

[dry hare]

we literally see no use of the crystals being mined there whatsoever, which is strange since hallownest would’ve been a functioning kingdom before the infection

[finite swift]

Wait wait your right

I just realized we never see crystals used being outside of Crystal peak

or so I think

[graceful oyster]

When you can back it up when scrutinized or questioned

Better by what standard

[finite swift]

With Grandmother Silk being able to force evolution on living beings is such an underrated power

You could argue that the Radiance, Unn, Nightmare heart and Pale King had this exact power. But I think they only gave intelligence and thoughts.

Look at how fast First Sinner grew from Grand Mother silk, GMS could just make a entire army

[graceful oyster]

HK games are hand drawn and that has a super respectable artistic quality

[finite swift]

I forgot about that

I thought Unn just made the mosskin and not literally green path itself

[errant orchid]

what is mio

[finite swift]

shes so mysterious I completely forgot about her but shes so cute

[rocky lotus]

mid ass metroidvania

[errant orchid]

memories in orbit? it looks solid but its no where near as pretty as either hk title

[rocky lotus]

too much mio glaze someone needed to hate

[exotic cedar]

She's so chill

[graceful oyster]

Genuinely I disagree

[exotic cedar]

I think mio looks prettier than hk and sk

[finite swift]

I want GMS to evolve other bugs than weavers lowk

[graceful oyster]

You can think it's less pretty but "nowhere near" is insanity

[earnest drift]

radiance takes away intelligence she doesn't give it

[errant orchid]

different strokes for different folks ig but hk series is clearly a cut above imo

i mean it looks pretty too

[graceful oyster]

Have you... played the game?

[finite swift]

for her moth tribe, I think

though your kinda right

[errant orchid]

no im just looking at the graphics

[graceful oyster]

It's one of if not the most stunning games I've ever played

Like bruh

"Nowhere near"

[earnest drift]

radiance, unn and grand mother silk created life (not childbirth)
radiance and nightmare heart control dreams
pale king and grand mother silk grant intelligence

[errant orchid]

yeah i seen that very pretty

[strange knot]

Mio art style is prolly my favourite

[orchid locust]

WHY did yi have to turn ||goumang|| into a fucking zombie 😭 😭 ts is not aura farming this is straight war crimes and torture

[errant orchid]

he's genuinely pissed

[strange knot]

Isn’t goumang evil as fuck?

Oooh

[exotic cedar]

I gasped at that scene

I was like wtf

[errant orchid]

def a little evil in there

[grand herald]

i havent played mio so i cant compare or anything but i will say both hk and silksong are gorgeous

in some areas like choral chambers, city of tears, white palace, and shellwood i legit did stop to just admire the screen bc god damn they pretty

[exotic cedar]

Yeah goumang wasnt that good i expected a second phase tbh

[strange knot]

I thought ||goumang is turning ppl into zombies for them to be slaves||

[orchid locust]

yeah she was lowk easy as hell

[grand herald]

tbf the music added a lot too

[errant orchid]

silksong especially had me admiring everything until act 3 :c

[exotic cedar]

Yingzhao was a early but a really fun boss for me

[strange knot]

Who tf is Yingzhao I forgor

[errant orchid]

yeah he's really fun especially refighting with all abilities

[grand herald]

Real tho tbf the point of act 3 is everything is destroyed and fucked up

even then tho the memory areas are sick (coral tower and verdania are fucking gorgeous)

[errant orchid]

i like the vibe they were going for but they didnt have to make the whole game uglier

[pallid pine]

Working on my zoteboat map rn

[grand herald]

i didnt mind it that much tbh, the core theming of each area is largely in tact and it really does sell the “oh shit i FUCKED up” feeling behind it

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 is boring for me tbh

Heart quest is good but there's like no exploring which is i don't like

In games i really like exploring and finding new things

[grand herald]

FUCK acidfalls it’s the worst shit ever

[exotic cedar]

Karm is good the others arent that difficult

[errant orchid]

yeah only really a handful of new rooms

[grand herald]

Act 3 has some banger fights im not gonna lie

[errant orchid]

love the flea games tho

[dry hare]

act 3 alternate plasmium route when

[pallid pine]

Fr really out of place

[slender zealot]

Put quirell in acidfalls hes like a worker for monomon

[strange knot]

Act 3 is the worst among 2 others

[pallid pine]

This is a prequel

Could work

[exotic cedar]

Clover dancers is just dissapointing, seth is slow for me, nyleth is uhmmm... nyleth? Khann is easy which is i don't mind because coral tower is the main point

[errant orchid]

LL is the goat tho 👀

[grand herald]

Khann is too easy but is really fun

Karmelita is peak

Lost Lace is fantastic

Clover dancers are underwhelming but fun

Watcher at the edge is cool

Plasmified zango 💀

Lost garmond is effective emotionally

[errant orchid]

debby downer that fight is awesome

[slender zealot]

So what happen lore about quirell before working with monomon he lived in acid

[strange knot]

Lost lace hate! Gtg

[exotic cedar]

I don't really care about ll i don't see myself refighting it but also i don't really hate it

[grand herald]

Lost lace is really fun to fight imo, all of the lace fights are

[slender zealot]

Where did you get the map making tool from

[grand herald]

It probably wouldn’t have been my pick for the true final boss but i can’t really complain when the fight feels so good

[fathom echo]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NueydL1WX6s

[errant orchid]

music is peak gameplay is peak story is peak

[earnest drift]

radiance would've been a better final boss if she was called laceiance

[raw pawn]

I 100%ed the game 3 times and this is the first time I realize there is a secret opening here lmao

[pallid pine]

I draw it with my hands actually

[grand herald]

radiance is peak but in a different way

[exotic cedar]

Garmond almost ruined my rasher run

[errant orchid]

bro hates everything

[slender zealot]

Hows it so neat

[errant orchid]

accurate name thp

[grand herald]

out of curiosity why is lost lace “one of the final fights” i dont even mean that out of hate I’m legitimately curious bc i havent heard this take

[runic crypt]

Shaw

[pallid pine]

Solid two years of doing it as a hobby, you should see some of my finished maps lmao

[earnest drift]

imagine being a one dimensional shallow character whose shtick is "kill everyone"
the post was made by the soul master, pale king, weavers, lace, grand mother silk, hornet, the hollow knight and every other character with some amount of complexity to them gang

[errant orchid]

do you make maps for other games or just hk

[runic crypt]

Are you the real Lace

[exotic cedar]

Khann's moves that hit you:
His coral spikes: ❌
His own body ✅

[errant orchid]

radiance just wants love maybe they're secretly nice

[grand herald]

I also realize i forgot nyleth, crawfather, and gurr, which are good, decent, and ehhh respectively imo

[pallid pine]

On the occation, working on some kind of rdr2 map aswell

[dry hare]

radiance yandere

[exotic cedar]

Crawfather is fun but easy, gurr fucking sucks one of the worst bosses ive ever seen

[slender zealot]

Did you expand the hive area from the orignal game

[grand herald]

radiance is also multidimensional tho

she wants not to be forgotten bc her people abandoned her and that’s why she crashes out

[pallid pine]

Hmm no but i do have a really old map of mine where i expanded the abyss

[earnest drift]

this is two dimensional at best and quite simple

[grand herald]

i wouldn’t go as far as worst bosses ever seen (you can do so much worse) but it’s underwhelming fs

[slender zealot]

Hivedrawer is supposed to expand tge hive

[exotic cedar]

I stand by my point gurr is like f tier boss

[toxic vigil]

Hello

[earnest drift]

radiance doesn't have any meaningful connections with other characters and only one motive throughout the entire story, maybe two that get solved by the same method if you really stretch things

[exotic cedar]

Only cool thing is intruduction

[toxic vigil]

Gurr is bad yeah,
Not annoying but just bad

[slender zealot]

You cant move in gurr fight

[errant orchid]

they don't need to be a complex character though shes a force of nature type

[earnest drift]

i do like that radiance doesn't give a flying fuck about her children but it only adds to her shallowness

[slender zealot]

The moth tribe worshipped the radiance

[slender zealot]

Moth trube includes seer and markoth

[toxic vigil]

All of hk is because the radiance is an attention seeking bitch

[earnest drift]

• starts with fighting infection
• ends with fighting infection

was there supposed to be something different or interesting about that

[slender zealot]

Then they betrayed the radiance and started worshipping the pale king

[earnest drift]

yeah i guess just
radiance is lame

[slender zealot]

Did you notice radiance statue at crystal peak above pale ore

[toxic vigil]

True

[earnest drift]

i liked that

[exotic cedar]

Both games suck both characters suck i hate them all and i think they should explode

[slender zealot]

That was worshipped like

[slender zealot]

Explode?

[earnest drift]

radiance is mainly loved because of the "are we going to fight the sun" moment
her character isn't a nothingburger it's like a paper thin slice of meat burger

[slender zealot]

Also the arena is not black

[errant orchid]

she isn't supposed to be a super complex interactive character

its fine that she isn't for what she accomplishes in the narrative

[earnest drift]

sounds like a compelling narrative to me

[sand epoch]

Time to slime out green prince anything for achievements ig

[earnest drift]

anyway i don't want radiance to be more complex, i think she's fine how she is
i'm just saying silksong did it better

[grand herald]

ok i’ll give my takes on each of these but thanks for the perspective, interesting to see

1. I somewhat agree it is a bit disappointing to have the final boss be another lace, though i do think as a fight it does let itself stand out enough from lace 2
2. This is like technically true but feels somewhat disingenuous, most of her attacks have additional conditions added to them that majorly impact how you approach them. That plus her teleports gives her a very different feel
3. Also true but in a way i think they serve as excellent practice and preparation for this fight. You know enough about how void attacks work that you’re able to respond faster to the ones lost lace does, allowing them to do more interesting stuff with the fight
4. I disagree on this to be fully frank, while yes you can heal pretty easily this is true of the majority of fights in the game, and lost lace chains attacks and moves around fast enough that she can be quite punishing and put a lot of damage down very fast
5. I also disagree, some of them are pretty tough especially on a first playthrough
6. Radiance has this problem too, tho i don’t personally recall having visibility issues in LL i can see how it would come up
7. The cutscene right before as well as the build of up act 3 does make this feel impactful imo but story stuff is very subjective

[slender zealot]

Green prince was too easy

[exotic cedar]

Lost lace fight depends if you like lace or not

[slender zealot]

But im sad he dies

[exotic cedar]

Dissapointing boss with only 2 phases

[slender zealot]

But his heart lives

[slender zealot]

Easier than cogwork dancers

[dry hare]

i liked lost lace but it was a bit disappointing that the final boss was just another lace fight

[earnest drift]

lace is an amazing character and one of the best in the franchise

[exotic cedar]

When playing games i don't really care about lore or story or characters unless the game really interests me

[slender zealot]

Radiance and absrad?

[grand herald]

radiance is a case of what happens when a god is pushed to desperation for survival

hallownest’s backstory feels very much like some form of mythology and i love that abt it

[quiet minnow]

Fr

[slender zealot]

That means you are an amazing char

[errant orchid]

i do think the way world building is done in hk is tthe best i've ever seen it done

[grand herald]

i can agree with this, tho the gameplay of the fight itself for me did hamper this disappointment a lot it’s awesome

[exotic cedar]

I don't know, silksong story or lore just didn't interest me at all

[quiet minnow]

I'd rather have a brand new boss fight than another lace fight but it wasn't bad

[errant orchid]

its not as important to like the lore of silksong as it is for hk

[grand herald]

besides i’m sure the dlc will give us some sort of true super ultra final boss anyways

[earnest drift]

hollow knight would be better if soul master was the main antagonist

[dry hare]

absolute lost lace

[slender zealot]

The problem is that i cant see black attacks on black background black floor walls roof black boss

[grand herald]

it took a bit for me to like process the silksong lore but i do think that it’s really cool too

[slender zealot]

Use wiki to check lore yay

[exotic cedar]

I'm kinda interested in nine sols and dead cells lore

[grand herald]

the story of the citadel and the repeated oppression of its citizens throughout multiple dynasties is cool

[errant orchid]

just my thoughts

[grand herald]

you can piece together most of it in game like with hollow knight

[errant orchid]

didn't feel as well done or expanded upon as hollow knights

maybe more expansion in the dlc

[slender zealot]

How to know about people like first sinner

[grand herald]

i love the environmental storytelling in places like the underworks and bilewater

[slender zealot]

BILEWATER?

[errant orchid]

also might be because we already are familiar with the universe so there is just less to be said

[grand herald]

it may suck to travel in but it is really good at conveying the tragedy that ended up choking it

[dry hare]

bilewater is truly one of the areas of all time

[slender zealot]

And muckmaggot lore?

[errant orchid]

idk i think its way easier to miss out on the story in silksong

comparatively

[grand herald]

in part i think that’s because hornet is much more active as a participant than the knight

[slender zealot]

Bilewater is atleast better than putrified ducts or mist or wisp thicket before father of the flame defeated

[grand herald]

you get that from hunter’s journal pretty easily and tbf it isnt that important anyways lol

[errant orchid]

that is true but the main stuff is pretty clear but the larger world just isn't as fleshed out i feel

again the dlcs will probably help that

[exotic cedar]

I did it for the gameplay which was good for first time playing but second time in act 3 can get very boring

[slender zealot]

Is sea of sorrow tomorrow or 2027

[errant orchid]

i mean the game and its story are fantastic i just like hollow knights better in terms of how it flows in the game

[elder notch]

Sea of sorrow released yesterday but nobody noticed

[slender zealot]

Liee

[errant orchid]

but hollow knight is the goat so nothings beating it for me

[grand herald]

the 4 old civilizations do a lot to really flesh it out imo

from the fall of verdania and the implementation of one of the princes’ souls in cogwork dancers, to the leftover remnants of the skarr tribe with a leader whose voice has faded, to the wilderness of shellwood taken over by hostile creatures in the absense of its nurturing mother, to the lost armies and might of karak, there’s a lot of cool shit

[slender zealot]

It was hollow knight update

[elder notch]

No it's real my uncle works at team cherry and he said that they unreleased the dlc

[grand herald]

i don’t feel like going for an extended back and forth here but I can agree to disagree on these

[slender zealot]

Stop lying

[errant orchid]

yeah agreed its pretty fire but i think the way the void functions in hollow knight is done way better

[slender zealot]

Is he correct anybody

[errant orchid]

agree

[exotic cedar]

I like uhmmm silksongs combat

[errant orchid]

9/10 game shits fire

[exotic cedar]

And maybe areas

[slender zealot]

Chain reaction

[exotic cedar]

Bosses are cooler than hks vanilla bosses they should have just been harder

[grand herald]

fair tho i think it’s mostly different due to the different lens we see it in

void is our tentative ally in hollow knight, and it is a major antagonistic force in silksong

[errant orchid]

depends on the boss but i like hollow knight's fights more tbh

[earnest drift]

silksong healing is better designed because it's less flexible (need to heal 3 masks at once) and bosses don't need to be designed to have practically no healing windows to be challenging
and players can retain the decision they make between attacks whether to continue attacking or to stop and heal

[exotic cedar]

To hate on silksong

[earnest drift]

flukemarm

[rocky lotus]

i like how healing is weaved into the combat instead of something you have to do in scarce openings

[errant orchid]

the goat

[exotic cedar]

One problem with lost lace is that you can heal way too easily

[slender zealot]

I love flukemarm such a creative boss

[errant orchid]

they had to see a bad bih have a banger boss fight

[grand herald]

i think there’s reason to like and dislike both healing systems but i prefer silksong for how much more fluid it makes the fights (and it also makes up for how little i-frames you get)

[rocky lotus]

[grand herald]

memes aside flukemarm is not well designed imo

it’s a sheer damage check where it’s either absurdly hard in a not fun way (swarmed by too many flukes) or piss easy

[strange knot]

It’s still going or smt?

[neat fossil]

Flukemarm is a boss?

[rocky lotus]

cold take

[slender zealot]

Marmu is too easy

[earnest drift]

in dlc hornet will get:
inv dash
upward dash
vertical clawline
diagonal clawline
second vesticrest
another needle upgrade
2 more masks

[grand herald]

it takes long enough on its own and getting interrupted is a HUGE loss

[rocky lotus]

everyone believes this

[exotic cedar]

injector band is very op

[strange knot]

Oh. I disliked healing at first.

[grand herald]

idk who is we here lol

[earnest drift]

one in ten enemies will deal triple damage

[slender zealot]

Now stop

[rocky lotus]

we need the hate to balance out the glaze

[grand herald]

tbf so is quick focus

[errant orchid]

nooooo

[neat fossil]

People were saying silksong is too hard and now it's too easy. Make up your minds people

[slender zealot]

Upward clawline with silksoar

[earnest drift]

both games are too easy

[grand herald]

i think it’s just that people have learned them both now lmao

[slender zealot]

I hate beast crest

[exotic cedar]

I wish silksong was a bit harder though...

[elder notch]

I think Silksong was initially way harder like harder than release patch

[exotic cedar]

It changed like 2 bosses

[earnest drift]

i just think lost lace should've dealt triple damage on every hit, that's all

[errant orchid]

the difficulty is great i think it will only ge tbetter with dlc

[exotic cedar]

I think

[errant orchid]

not ridiculous to say that

[grand herald]

i mean at least you can make it harder for yourself by making certain stipulations (no needle upgrades, no additional masks, etc)

[rocky lotus]

it is ridiculous to say that

[exotic cedar]

Nine sols difficulty was perfect for me i spent 15 minutes learning a boss just to find out it had a second phase

[grand herald]

ehh lost lace was a good difficulty imo, save the crazy shit for dlc

[slender zealot]

I ABSOLUTELY HATE BEAST CREST IT IS THE WORST WANDEREE IS TOO GOOD

[earnest drift]

also why do people say that silksong doesn't have low gear
what stops you from just not getting upgrades

[rocky lotus]

ppl dont want more difficulty in skong

[elder notch]

One of the play testers said that act 3(or 2?) was made easier before release

[rocky lotus]

ok ppl (except hunter) dont want more difficulty in skong

[errant orchid]

people also though they needed to nerf morwing

hell no

[neat fossil]

I get called a spammer for maining wanderer. Meanwhile these dumbass redditors main architect and delete the boss in 6 seconds

[exotic cedar]

A game can be good and hard imo

[errant orchid]

crazy hating

[slender zealot]

Yes starting crest wars

[grand herald]

silksong is not an easy game, it doesnt have anything pantheon 5 level (yet) but i think in terms of proportionality it is a harder game at each stage than hollow knight imo

like silksong’s early game is harder than hk’s, its mid game is harder, etc

[rocky lotus]

most ppl wanted tlj nerfed

[errant orchid]

definitely which is great

[grand herald]

its just that hollow knight currently has a higher ceiling bc p5 is fucking insane

[errant orchid]

i don't like the fight as much anymore

but i do think silksong is the right difficulty rn especially when pantheons come out

[grand herald]

TLJ didnt get touched tho iirc, literally just the runback got reduced in difficulty

by removing one drill guy

[elder notch]

Wanderer is such a jack of all trades, it can basically accomplish the same thing as the other crests except like witch and architect

[errant orchid]

banger crest

[earnest drift]

master of none

[grand herald]

this is kind of the mentality i have when regarding silksong

Some people forget how punishing the first, blind playthrough can really be

[neat fossil]

HK was harder for me but thats probably because i was new to the formula. I beat each silksong boss in at least under 6 attempts, and I only died to tormented trobbio so many times because I couldn't comprehend what was happening on my screen 😭

[grand herald]

valid

[exotic cedar]

Yeah i kinda struggled with silksong bosses too but its prob because i had low needle upgrade + it was my second metroidvania

[grand herald]

i’d say the two were somewhat even for me bc HK i had less experience, tho i will say silksong feels consistently more demanding imo

[exotic cedar]

But i kinda forgot the exact amount of upgrades i had tbh

[grand herald]

there are far fewer places you can just go on full autopilot in skong than hk imo

[exotic cedar]

I played dead cells which is like a little bit of metroidvania i think? I might be wronf

[elder notch]

Honestly the best solution to the difficulty is just to add a zote mode. Then both zote fans and difficulty fans will be happy

[grand herald]

Dead cells is a metroidvania dw ur not tweakin

[exotic cedar]

Metroidvania and Rougelite(or like idk). ..... Yummy..... .

[grand herald]

metroid dread dread mode in silksong where every hit one taps you

[rocky lotus]

does nothing (like zote!)

[exotic cedar]

Dead cells might be my favorite game of all time

[grand herald]

It’s just wild coming back and seeing people complaining about silksong being “too easy” like the community wasn’t crashing out abt how ball busting it was at release lol

[rocky lotus]

i dislike dead cells

[errant orchid]

i couldn't get into but i'll have to run it back

[rocky lotus]

but its a very good game

[elder notch]

Would cave story be considered a metroidvania? Steam labels it as a metroidvania but it's kinda shaky

[grand herald]

True i mean that is what steel soul is there for

[exotic cedar]

170 hours + some time spent on mobile in it and i got the 5bc ending just now and that was with help of tiny bit of assist mode

[grand herald]

fair and apologies for goomba fallacying you there

it’s just interesting to see

[errant orchid]

yeah i think outside of the cogs doing 2 damage was wack other than that its been perfect

[exotic cedar]

The biome before the final boss is harder than the boss

[errant orchid]

no its not

anything relatively hard is a souls like now

those are player given tags

[plucky onyx]

love your name mate

[grand herald]

i see why it has the souls-like moniker on there but i dont particularly care either way

game is fun either way thats what matters to me

[errant orchid]

the game doesn't have anything else in common with a souls game really except possibly the idea of building a character but thats very loose

[toxic vigil]

Hello!

[grand herald]

i think to a certain extent aesthetics is part of it too, as both hk games involve exploring dead or decaying kingdoms

i have no dogs in this race tho

[errant orchid]

yeah idk i just think categories should be indicative of gameplay if anything

[toxic vigil]

Are we sloptalking genres again

[grand herald]

Ngl silksong being like 7 months old now is fucking insane to me

I remember this shit feeling like bigfoot for so long bro how is it just an accepted thing now that happened a while ago lol

[toxic vigil]

Isn't it 6

[errant orchid]

benches

[grand herald]

U right my bad

[toxic vigil]

Anyways

[grand herald]

hot take

silksong is a metroidvania 🤯

[toxic vigil]

Silksong is a hk clone

[rocky lotus]

the silksong team are such plagiarists

[lapis eagle]

Skong

[grand herald]

skilkskong

[toxic vigil]

Why do you hate trobbio

[grand herald]

Alr im out cya chat

[rocky lotus]

you know why

[exotic cedar]

It's about silk, it's about song, we stay hungry we devour

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/pinstress-picmix-silksong-goodmorning-gif-18280830111418390276

[exotic cedar]

(instert lace eating silk)

[exotic cedar]

HI bon

[barren dew]

It's not even morning but idk I just wanted to post pinstress

[barren dew]

hi alpre

[exotic cedar]

Pringles!! I love pringle!!

[barren dew]

Can I still see

[barren dew]

I love printers too

[errant orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-commando-gun-twirl-two-guns-timmy-gif-24582089

[barren dew]

This is embarrassing I'm not asking questions ever again

[brave geyser]

Very wholesome

[exotic cedar]

Wait... Her writing is this fire?!?

[rocky lotus]

why did they shave this guy

woke pringles company hates men...

[exotic cedar]

Why is his moustache doing that

Is he stupid

[barren dew]

My stomach hurts so bad

[acoustic comet]

cn anyone help ? #sk-help

[exotic cedar]

Get well soon

[barren dew]

My stomach deaduzz hurts I can't even walk

[exotic cedar]

I feel absolutely full of joy and sillyness today

[barren dew]

Yeah DW I know 😭

[barren dew]

Thank you!!!!!!

[vivid raptor]

I wish I could do a Rosary Cannon only run

If I edit the amount in the cannon above 80, it resets back to 80 when I bench

[subtle lynx]

Pretty much all metroidvanias

[vivid raptor]

All 3 silkshots?

[subtle lynx]

Doesn't seem like it

[vivid raptor]

Lol

[earnest drift]

can you dm me your save

[vivid raptor]

Weaver Silkshot
Rosary Cannon
Forge Silkshot

[vivid raptor]

Sure but its steel soul

[earnest drift]

wait this is mobile port

[earnest drift]

that's fine

[vivid raptor]

No the save system is the same

[brave geyser]

They did use a popular save editor sooooooo

[vivid raptor]

It's not even that bad, if it was i can lower opactiy

[vivid raptor]

DMs

[earnest drift]

ty

[subtle lynx]

Prince of Persia is literally set in a decayed kingdom

[vivid raptor]

Check your dms

[subtle lynx]

And I thought metroid was too

[earnest drift]

thank you

[vivid raptor]

No problem

[subtle lynx]

Sure, but not the place where the game takes place in

[vivid raptor]

Look at my claw mirrors

[rocky lotus]

it was really lazy of team cherry to add 7 trobbios to the game

[subtle lynx]

The og statement that I quoted did not only say dystopian btw

They should have made cogwork dancers a mantis lord fight

[vivid raptor]

Yeah, the mirrors combined just do 649 dmg

[subtle lynx]

They are still a minority from what I know

[vivid raptor]

My mistake 648

[rocky lotus]

no bc that fight sucks

and annoying

[earnest drift]

ty so much for the save i was having trouble editing it to have every tool

[vivid raptor]

Np

[subtle lynx]

There are tons of metroidvanias out there

[vivid raptor]

Are you enjoying the save?

[subtle lynx]

So yes

[rocky lotus]

watcher knights was one of the hardest for me to radiant

harder than pv and nkg

[weary estuary]

oh thats interesting

[rocky lotus]

those were easy tbh

[subtle lynx]

We're talking about quantity here, or at least that's what I originally said

[earnest drift]

behold trapsetter build

[vivid raptor]

Awesome

[weary estuary]

me too

so hungry I could eat a... tapeworm

[vivid raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-chef-gif-152437601004530524

Gun% time

Let me edit in 3 silkshots and cannon

And, loads of rosaries

[earnest drift]

wait why tf is he sleeping you're the caretaker get off your ass

[vivid raptor]

(9999999 specifically)

[rocky lotus]

its hard work

give him a break

lace is so mean...

[vivid raptor]

Queens Egg in Steel Soul

[earnest drift]

i have a confession

[vivid raptor]

?

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[earnest drift]

i save edited my steel soul run so much that i messed it up and it won't let me progress to act 3 lmao

[vivid raptor]

Lmao

[exotic dome]

#deserved

[vivid raptor]

I always edit my save after im sure I wont get those tools again

If I gave my self the extractor before advanced alchemy, the Alchemist would take it away

I love how Druids Eyes is just Mosscreep V1 and V2 in the files lmao

[earnest drift]

w h a t

[vivid raptor]

Yep

It's called Mosscreep in the files

They all have different names

DazzleBind and UpgradedDazzleBind for Claw Mirror and Twin Claw Mirrors

Tool Metal for Craftmetal

Forge Shot
Weaver Shot
Architect Shot

[unkempt steeple]

Dazzle Bind sounds like a charm name

[vivid raptor]

True

It's like a better spore shroom

You can get all Steel Soul content in a regular save if you edit good enough

Steel Seer's Quest, Summoned Savior's entry, Shell Satchel

[unkempt steeple]

Oh shit I never realized lol

[vivid raptor]

Yep, Shell Satchel in Regular Soul is 100% possible

[keen cloud]

moss trobbio, Consumed the grotto kris-style

[keen cloud]

Green mirror, Sectretly a black shard in disquise

[toxic vigil]

Hi

[frosty light]

😮

[torpid pebble]

guess the boss
the boss is easy when you reach him but his gauntlets are annoying

very ahh descripiton

no

1 more guess

naw

crust king khan

wdym ct

it took me

[velvet cape]

Key word gauntlets

[torpid pebble]

3 hours or less

to beat his gauntlets

and get the shortcut

[reef perch]

tbh i had the most fun in those gauntlets

[exotic cedar]

Lost hunter boss coming in sea of sorrow 2026

[torpid pebble]

i love crust king khann dont get me wrong BUT THIS GUYS GAUNTLETS ALMOST MADE ME TWEAK THE FUCK OUT

[reef perch]

i beat all of them first try so ig i dont find them as annoying

(shameless flex)

[torpid pebble]

what do you mean first try?

[reef perch]

i got to the shortcut 1st try

[torpid pebble]

it took me 47 tries to get to the shortcut

[reef perch]

no deaths i mean

[torpid pebble]

BRO ARE YOU A HUMAN

[reef perch]

No, Im not a human

i died once on crust king

cuz of some bs

[torpid pebble]

i knew it

bro ong cross stitch goated i js suck at using it

wait how do i get pale nails

i already beat GMS

[reef perch]

iron deficiency

[errant orchid]

go to gms arena in act 3

[torpid pebble]

huh?

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 cradle

[reef perch]

silk soar in a few places

[errant orchid]

grandma silk arena

[torpid pebble]

OH

SILK SOAr

i was confused a bit cz the cradle was broken

[reef perch]

btw is there any other major platforming section other than the one above cradle?

does anyone know

[errant orchid]

i guess cogwork core and void

but not really anything crazy

[reef perch]

kk ty

[sand epoch]

100% wasn’t enough for me so I’m filling the hunters journal

[reef perch]

like BIG ones like white palace

[arctic epoch]

major?

Mount Fay
Cogwork Core
Lava escape

the game itself is a platformer, unless you want more like the challenging ones

[torpid pebble]

heart of the might,might just be the hardest one oat

[reef perch]

ye

[torpid pebble]

i cant do PoP man

[reef perch]

you need to strengthen your will

[torpid pebble]

crust king khann

[torpid pebble]

nah i need to strengthen my thumb

it begs for mercy

i cant even get through first room

[reef perch]

idk i just really liked white palace in hk so i want something that requires all movement abilities

[arctic epoch]

you've got a pc?

[reef perch]

yes

[arctic epoch]

Architect mod

[torpid pebble]

bro modding in silksong so complex

[arctic epoch]

not really

[low delta]

I feel like the climb to the surface couldve been more expansive in terms that actual skills they want you to do, but there are parkour highlights in silksong

[timid willow]

Hehe just won against Lost Lace :D

[low delta]

Rather than having a static environment, I think that a speed challenge with careful platforming would be much better

Silksong movement is best when you be in the flow state

[reef perch]

indeed

[low delta]

so basically im asking for the an area with timed platforming

think about the abyss sequence

or if liek the climb to the surface has lava coming at you

Exactly

[timid willow]

Finally after 2 hours of trying with attempts of today and yesterday combined I beat LL

[low delta]

Real

[timid willow]

Just put your brightness at 140% and you'll get through

[reef perch]

lemme go fight her rq

[low delta]

Lost lace is the only boss ive ever tweaked at

[reef perch]

i wanted to wait until i got 99% but screw it

[low delta]

in silksong

[timid willow]

I never tweaked

:)

I just had to git gud

[reef perch]

pretty self explanatory tbh

[wary storm]

5 days till SSSOS

[reef perch]

when a snake is going to call for help in 5 days:

[wary storm]

wgat is going

[raw pawn]

oh it's this mf right

[low delta]

that was a pretty good description man, ur just not in the know ig

[echo kelp]

sup

[neat fossil]

Am I the only one who thought Lace was just a really weird mushroom at first

[earnest drift]

fun fact
in act 3, songclave survives because second sentinel protects it.
in act 3, bellhart survives because shakra protects it.
in act 3, bonebottom does not survive because garmond does not protect it.
this is because garmond is useless.

[tawdry sierra]

so close

[reef perch]

i hate when i forget i dont have shade cloak and dash into the enemy like an idiot

[exotic cedar]

Good clip

[torpid pebble]

im walking out of sands of karak with the skills of sawtooth circlect master now

im going to nyelth now

should be easy

[fossil socket]

well done yippie

[toxic vigil]

I don't enjoy sawtooth but its pretty op

[coarse leaf]

hope u like no floor

[cunning geode]

going crazy while on drugs. any amount or type of drug qualifies

[barren dew]

Hiiiii

[cunning geode]

explode

[barren dew]

What did I DO

[cunning geode]

i dunno

[barren dew]

Explodes

[acoustic comet]

for real ?

[cunning geode]

no

[wary storm]

yup

[fossil socket]

haiii

[acoustic comet]

where is the announcement ?

[barren dew]

Hello

[wary storm]

my predictions are better

[fossil socket]

how u doingg

[cunning geode]

https://youtu.be/15T25pFIoF4?list=OLAK5uy_nslpgwVbceZDj4bhO_ImAGQTKlpxHifno ok im sorry here ya go here's the song i was listening to last night that slithered into my super sleepy brain before i went to bed. hypnotized me like zoolander

[wary storm]

no announcement needed

[barren dew]

I'm not doing good rn my stomach HURTS

[acoustic comet]

...........

[barren dew]

Thanks YAAAAAYYY

Where is everyone that I know

[bronze oasis]

guys what's your favorite boss fight music?

[reef perch]

eternal ordeal

[barren dew]

Not a boss fight ost but the one in Whiteward when you try to save sherma

[bronze oasis]

mine is phantom boss fight music

this is silksong server

[cunning geode]

from silksong i wouldn't be able to place any of the music i dont know the tracks by name

[bronze oasis]

I'm asking about music from silksong

[barren dew]

You did be surprised at the amount of off topic this channel tends to be

[cunning geode]

of ALL bosses EVER I think I gotta say In the Final, the Dark Star/Dark Bowser fight theme from bowser's inside story

[barren dew]

Honestly me too I find it hard to remember osts names

[thorn grotto]

Don't we literally have an off topic channel

[barren dew]

This channel still becomes offtopic so easily

[cunning geode]

i liked last judge's theme

[bronze oasis]

that off topic Chanel is dead

[thorn grotto]

Don't most of their names match their tracks anyway
I know there's a few that don't but they're few and far between

[crisp heron]

half the time i come into thi channel its talking about da rune

[cunning geode]

even so I dont know which is my fav

but theyre all nice

widow's theme was fun

[elder notch]

Awakening is definitely up there it really gives off the finality feeling

[thorn grotto]

My favourite is Lost Verdania

Lost Lace and Far Fields are nice too

[torpid pebble]

queens egg?

[cunning geode]

yes :]

[bronze oasis]

when I get back home and study I'm trying not to break my laptop while fighting groal the great

[thorn grotto]

Weirdly enough I also like Sands of Karak

[cunning geode]

have you beaten groal before

[patent heath]

My favourite song from the game is Sister Of The Void.

[crisp heron]

my favorite song is probably phantom

[torpid pebble]

WHAT

[vivid raptor]

I managed to mod in the tools for Gun%

[cunning geode]

go find him

[near mirage]

i cannot believe this is also bilewater

this beautiful area is in the same area as fucking bilewater

[vivid raptor]

If the citadel didn't dump waste into Bilewater, all of it would look like this

[patent heath]

Nerd.

[torpid pebble]

im gonna turn into omni man bro

[near mirage]

(and those fuckass flying acid spitting muckroaches wont exist)

[torpid pebble]

Where is he,WHERE IS HE

[near mirage]

dump all of the waste in putrified ducts bro thats where the demons live

(spit squit)

[patent heath]

Where is Plinney, William?

What you're saying was said by Immortal.

[cunning geode]

he says it in his note

[cunning geode]

bilewater IS beautiful !!

[woeful plume]

i dont like savage beast fly

[vivid raptor]

For some reason I can't mod in the Architect crest for Gun%

[woeful plume]

hes annoying

[near mirage]

in this area only

[cunning geode]

the whole thing is :)

[bronze oasis]

anyway something completely unrelated

I'm 99.99% sure everyone here uses math at least once a day

[woeful plume]

but last judge is very cool

[cunning geode]

yes

[near mirage]

everywhere else is disgusting
shame that bilewater has one of the most beautiful tracks

[woeful plume]

math is so much fun

[torpid pebble]

where???

[near mirage]

seriously its so somber i like it

[cunning geode]

find the grave

[vivid raptor]

Pre citadel pharloom

[vivid raptor]

Let me circle

[bronze oasis]

I use it every day

[vivid raptor]

@torpid pebble

[bronze oasis]

in practice everyone uses it if they leave their home

[near mirage]

so how the hell do i start silk and soul

[barren dew]

@gloomy hill

[near mirage]

i checked songclave and bellhart and found nothing

[vivid raptor]

Find 22 fleas, complete every single quest

[torpid pebble]

okay ty

[barren dew]

@patent heath

[near mirage]

i found half of the fleas already

[vivid raptor]

Np, but there's an arena

[patent heath]

@barren dew

[vivid raptor]

15?

[bronze oasis]

find all fleas defeat lace in the citadel comeback to the first shrine and talk to the guy that screams at you

[near mirage]

and already got kratt, huge flea and vog ages ago

[barren dew]

I accidentally pinged hunter mb

[near mirage]

i already did defeat lace 2

[barren dew]

Hiii

[near mirage]

and got ending 1 (weaver queen)

[vivid raptor]

Find 22 or all of them

[bronze oasis]

so you have all the fleas?

[patent heath]

Hi beans.

[vivid raptor]

This is going to be fun

[barren dew]

Hello box of juice

[torpid pebble]

the voided bugs just sniped my ass

[barren dew]

Hello guy who hunts

[fossil socket]

sob

[bronze oasis]

damn your tool assortment is poor

[barren dew]

@fossil socket

[vivid raptor]

It's a gun only run

[reef perch]

lost lace 8th try am i goated or WHAT

[vivid raptor]

My clipboard lmao

[near mirage]

i still have to find 2 fleas in deep docks, one in the mist, one unfortunately in bilewater, one in choral chambers, and one in the underworks

[fossil socket]

@barren dew

[barren dew]

[echo kelp]

is hollow knight a good game

[barren dew]

Sometimes

[cunning geode]

yes

[bronze oasis]

guys what crest you use casually (boss fights excluded)

[vivid raptor]

Get them

[near mirage]

and as for quests, i still have great taste of pharloom, roach guts, wailing mother snd broodfeast to do but idk if they required

[barren dew]

I'm indeed zote's wife

[vivid raptor]

Required

[near mirage]

wishes*

[near mirage]

which is required

[cunning geode]

oooh silksong DLC should add a "crew" mechanic where you get to enlist bugs to fight with you

good idea Primal Spit Squit

[bronze oasis]

I play with architect

[near mirage]

so like garmond and zaza/shakra?

[vivid raptor]

I think wailing mother, roach guts, and broodfeast

[bronze oasis]

it was autocorrect and you know it

[cunning geode]

who was autocorrect

[near mirage]

ok you have to be fucking kidding me
the first two are easy (infact ive already done roach guts i just need to return them)

[echo kelp]

who is zote?

[vivid raptor]

And complete Taste of Pharloom too since void enemies are strong

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/zote-hollow-knight-zote-the-mighty-my-beloved-gif-8960911553264974541

[near mirage]

how gng

[bronze oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gun-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-eyebrowns-gif-18404585

[vivid raptor]

Double HP enemies and Double Dmg

And there's a gauntlet you have to fight with no tools and 4 hp

[echo kelp]

oh

[bronze oasis]

there should be equivalent of overcharm in silksong

[near mirage]

No i wasnt asking about void enemies themselves i meant how will taste of pharloom help

[bronze oasis]

quadruple damage from enemies

[barren dew]

[vivid raptor]

Needle Upgrade

[near mirage]

wait does that give a pale oil

[vivid raptor]

Always get Hivesteel before act 3

[vivid raptor]

100%

[near mirage]

ok tell me how to do it

[vivid raptor]

Show me what you have

[near mirage]

what needle upgrade?

[cunning geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232587540719206400/1029096338769592330/ezgif.com-gif-maker1.gif

[vivid raptor]

3rd upgrade

I assume you have shining needle

[barren dew]

JERMA

[vivid raptor]

I mean 4th

[reef perch]

erm, guess who just beat lost lace??

[near mirage]

i have shining needle yes

[near mirage]

lebron?

[reef perch]

close

[vivid raptor]

You have 2 more upgrades, one needs great taste of Pharloom

[near mirage]

will that give hivesteel

[vivid raptor]

Mossberry Stew: Talk to Moss druid

[vivid raptor]

Yes

Crustnut: Parkour in Sands of Karak

[barren dew]

Hot take I think lace is GMS's daughter

[near mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/prude-losers-policeman-screaming-yelling-to-the-sky-gif-7234044545233130660

[vivid raptor]

Lace was created by GMS

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[vivid raptor]

Mucked Maggot: Defeat Chef Lugoli, Boss of Sinner's Road

[near mirage]

they arent that hard right

[vivid raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-chef-lugoli-gif-2508664972939356009

Just be careful of Ass Jim slamming you

And avoid the muck maggots she throws

[near mirage]

wreath of purity

[vivid raptor]

Cool

[near mirage]

ok so
i need to rescue the rest of the fleas
get hivesteel
then do silk and soul
right

[vivid raptor]

Courier's Rasher: Deliver the rasher to the guy who gave the quest in a time limit that shortens when hit, running into walls, or falling from high heights

[verbal steeple]

the parkour is my favorite part about bilewater. as for the gauntlets i didn't find them to be an issue. the trap is pretty avoidable. infact if u just stand at one of the 2 enterances of the arena u literally can't get hit.

[near mirage]

arent the courier quests not timed

[vivid raptor]

Vintage Nectar: Pay 480 rosaries to the guy in Halfway Home and fight a gauntlet of ants

[vivid raptor]

Only the rasher is

[near mirage]

bruh

[verbal steeple]

i never do courier quests lmao

no idea what a "liquid laquer" is

[vivid raptor]

Deliver it to the mask maker near the top of Mt. Fay

[verbal steeple]

oh. doesn't sound hard

[vivid raptor]

Yes, all the way from bellhart to the top of Mt. Fay

And the limit of 3 hits

[verbal steeple]

yeah sounds easy

yup sounds easy

[vivid raptor]

But take your time, it doesn't have a time limit

[verbal steeple]

when can u do it

[vivid raptor]

Exactly

[verbal steeple]

i'm starting my 8th run i think and currently gonna try out different stuff

[near mirage]

ok

[vivid raptor]

And freeing all the fleas allows you to get a 3rd pale oil in act 3

[frosty kelp]

Should I stop procrastinating parry only cogworks dancers

[verbal steeple]

i'm gonna use my newly learned pimpillo pogos to do act 1 bilewater

[near mirage]

ok

[vivid raptor]

After becoming the champion of all 3 games

[frosty kelp]

parry only means no dodging needle parriable attacks

[vivid raptor]

Not too hard if you know who to juggle

[frosty kelp]

also no cross stitch allowed and cogowkr dancers is a nightmare

[near mirage]

if seth never comes is it easier

[vivid raptor]

You do it this order Win all 3 games > get oil > upgrade > get seth > beat seth

[frosty kelp]

you know their screen covering attack? that's parriable so I can't dodge

also I'll try hitless as well

[near mirage]

ok

[frosty kelp]

also it's inconsistent 💀

[vivid raptor]

Literally near impossible unless you're a timing god

[frosty kelp]

that's the point

[near mirage]

moss mother hitless

[frosty kelp]

:))) near impossible is fun

[vivid raptor]

Impossible

[near mirage]

harder than lost lace

[vivid raptor]

Are you insane

[frosty kelp]

yes double moss mother hitless

[verbal steeple]

double moss mother hitless

[frosty kelp]

do "black threaded" double moss mother hitless

[vivid raptor]

Voided

[near mirage]

impossibler

[verbal steeple]

double moss mother was one of the hardest fights in my cursed crest run lmao

[near mirage]

i can already see ascended moss mother being just two moss mothers

like vengefly fraud from the og game

[vivid raptor]

Voided Double Moss Mother Hitless Blindfolded

[frosty kelp]

I still don't get why people complain about double moss mothers but on a cursed run I can see why

[verbal steeple]

would there even be "ascended"

[frosty kelp]

ok no that's just not

[vivid raptor]

Take 4 dmg

[verbal steeple]

the difficulty would be called "voided" probably

[ionic stump]

should i go to blasted steps or sinners?(i alr found sinners)

[vivid raptor]

Fighting voided lost lace LMAO

[verbal steeple]

makes more sense

[near mirage]

should i do twisted child ending before act 3 to get it over with
i have the shortcuts to gms unlocked already so im thinking

[frosty kelp]

sinners gives a nice ability but blasted steps gives better plot

[near mirage]

(plus i can get witch crest after)

[frosty kelp]

yup

[vivid raptor]

Voided Lost Garmond

[verbal steeple]

lost² lace

[near mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-sandwich-gif-25826248

[ionic stump]

i alr hate sinners

[near mirage]

i just need to know where yarnaby is

[frosty kelp]

oh you're that kind of person? You get me I still went phantom despite hating sinners

[verbal steeple]

is a sandwich a sandwich

[ionic stump]

the weird abominations

[near mirage]

wait

[verbal steeple]

lost² lace

[near mirage]

twisted bud only allows needle damage right

[ionic stump]

rn it is the only new area i had

[frosty kelp]

no no hear me out: she's lost lace but she's also lost

[near mirage]

no skills no tools no healing right

[ionic stump]

and thought it shouldnt be THAT bad

[near mirage]

cursed crest**

[vivid raptor]

Unless you use egg of flealia you can use skills

[verbal steeple]

no

[frosty kelp]

no tools 💀

[vivid raptor]

Right

[frosty kelp]

in fact no silk skill slot

[dry hare]

cursed crest hitless 400% no breaks when

[verbal steeple]

this is why my cursed crest run sucked

i'm gonna do a second one at some point tho

[vivid raptor]

We're becoming the guys who did Path of Pain blindfolded while waiting for Silksong

[near mirage]

i just wanna get twisted child ending over with before act 3

[verbal steeple]

one where i use a mod that lets me disable it for parts that don't allow me to access them if i'm cursed

[near mirage]

so i will
GMS isnt that hard anyway

issue is I CANT HEAL OR USE SKILLS

[frosty kelp]

git gud

[vivid raptor]

Radiant buffed Lost Lace

[frosty kelp]

:)))) trust the process

[near mirage]

so after twisted child im RUNNING to yarnaby

[frosty kelp]

POV: double health

[near mirage]

im SPRINTING across pharloom

[frosty kelp]

POV: GMS joins lace

[vivid raptor]

4k dmg

[near mirage]

phantom spare

[vivid raptor]

Buffed GMS and buffed LL

[near mirage]

[vivid raptor]

Lost Phantom and Lost Lace

[near mirage]

phantom is an optional boss right

[vivid raptor]

Yes

[near mirage]

is groal optional?

[verbal steeple]

not for 100% tho

[unkempt steeple]

Allways bet on sea of sorrow in state of play

[vivid raptor]

No

[near mirage]

fuck

[verbal steeple]

technically yes if u use pimpilo pogos

[near mirage]

what does he give

that makes him not optional

[verbal steeple]

something that lets u access act 3

[vivid raptor]

Seeker's Soul required to leave act 2

[near mirage]

Groal you bitchhhh

[verbal steeple]

u can technically skip him if you're good enough

[near mirage]

I gotta deal with the worst enemy gauntlet ever bro

[vivid raptor]

Sometimes we all just need to let our anger out with beast crest

[near mirage]

Im ass brochacho

[cerulean sable]

12 archi silkshot shouldve been a machinegun

[near mirage]

Wait is there anyway to cheese groal

[vivid raptor]

Real

[near mirage]

and the gauntlet

[ionic stump]

does sinners have phantom at the end?

[verbal steeple]

yeah. tho it is hard

[vivid raptor]

Camp Muck Water

[verbal steeple]

oh cheese not skip

yeah cheesing him is quite easy really.

[ionic stump]

if so then i go there even thought i hate it and i cant find blasted steps

[verbal steeple]

the gauntlet isn't "cheesable" i don't think

[near mirage]

cant you throw pimpilo at him while he’s trying to
eat hornet????

[verbal steeple]

yes

[unkempt steeple]

Poison tool spam with hunter or reaper

[near mirage]

and deal a LOT of damage

[verbal steeple]

u can do that with volt vessels bola aswell

[frosty kelp]

simply buff the damage and make all 3 shots do same damage and buff capacity

[vivid raptor]

You can dmg him while eaten

[frosty kelp]

silkshots should be better than normal tools because they consume silk which is annoying af

[dry hare]

does anyone know what the highest percentage you can have in act 2 is

[unkempt steeple]

Or architect but that crest is horrible for the runback and the gauntlet