sk-discussion

[toxic vigil]

the only crest id say i hate is shaman

[patent heath]

I play with 4.

[toxic vigil]

the rest is atleast fine

[earnest drift]

why

[patent heath]

Hunter, Reaper, Witch and Shaman.

[exotic cedar]

Shaman is very strong

[strange knot]

Shaman is good

I like it

[copper hedge]

shaman if you like silk skills

[earnest drift]

i hate architect

[exotic cedar]

Architect is only good if you play needletect

[toxic vigil]

a bit boring and the bind forces you to never heal because you can't unless stagger and you lose damage there

[exotic cedar]

Tool spam aint it

[strange knot]

I don’t really use silk skills either. I just LOVE the pogo so much

[deft quest]

hunter sweep

[patent heath]

I only use like, 5 red tools. Which is why as soon I get into Act 3, Shaman is the top priority.

[strange knot]

Same

[exotic cedar]

Shaman midair bind would be op though

[strange knot]

I use snare setter, drill, volt balls and that’s it

[exotic cedar]

Midair bind is already strong even stronger with injector band

[strange knot]

And flea brew

[earnest drift]

i hate voltvessels and curvesickle and cogflies and rosary cannon and architect silkshot and tacks

[toxic vigil]

architect i think is neutral for me
( tool spam is boring as shit but needle architect seems fine )
the rest i like atleast a bit

[earnest drift]

balance these and nerf architect and it's acceptable

[strange knot]

I don’t use volt vessels for combat

[patent heath]

I use Flintslate, Sting Shard, Voltvessel, Pimpillo and Cogflies.

[toxic vigil]

i fell like you could basically make it longer but still midair

[copper hedge]

sis splintr

[hollow swallow]

i think shaman crest just makes the parry so much more viable instead

[patent heath]

Sting Shard and Flintslate are probably my two favourite red tools.

[earnest drift]

what if curvesickle dealt decreasing dmg when hitting the same enemy multiple times

[exotic cedar]

Crest tierlist (architect is needletect)

[strange knot]

Sting shard is underrated

[copper hedge]

i love alcoholic build

[earnest drift]

what if every multihitting red tool did that

[exotic cedar]

Based on fun

[toxic vigil]

all silkshots need to be buffed ( architect most, original least )

[hollow swallow]

okay wtf

[toxic vigil]

are we talking viability or

[exotic cedar]

Fun

[patent heath]

Fun.

[toxic vigil]

ah fair

[copper hedge]

Fun.

[hollow swallow]

okay that makes more sense

[exotic cedar]

Reaper is like, the most boring shit ever.
I tried reaper against karmelita and i fell asleep

[strange knot]

I liked reaper at first but I can’t play with it anymore

[hollow swallow]

yeah, reaper is just consistent low dps high healing, pretty boring

[exotic cedar]

We yes WE all used reaper on our first playthrough

[toxic vigil]

tiermaker link?

[toxic vigil]

reaper is just kinda slow wanderer with range
aka losing the point of wanderer

[strange knot]

I used reaper till I got witch

[toxic vigil]

i went hunter -> reaper -> hunter -> wanderer personally

[strange knot]

And witch is the GOAT

[toxic vigil]

i am kinda sad wanderer is boring

its just quickslash and crit gambling

[toxic vigil]

witch is fun but i am SO ASS WITH ITS BIND its insane 😭
if i could hit it more consistently i would use it more

[strange knot]

Thank you so much with saying “I’m ass at bind” and not “bind is ass” you are the goat for that

[silk ore]

Beast is fine (if you ignore that atrocious down pogo

[strange knot]

Pogo isn’t even that bad

[toxic vigil]

❤️ in theory witch is my 2nd fav, in practice its my 6th fav bc i suck

[exotic cedar]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hollow-knight-silksong-crests-15440221

[quartz gulch]

There are several types of flies in Silksong, specifically referring to little uninteractable bugs:

Lumafly
Common fly, spread throughout Hallownest. It isn't certain wether lumaflies are native to Hallownest, but the seem to be a common and far spread species. The emit a strong light, and are social creatures. Grouping up, they can defend themselves with electricity created through friction. Has a butterfly-like appearance.

Silkfly
The soul of a pilgrim, used in many applications. They can be easily manipulated and controlled to follow orders, but don't do much naturally except for simply floating around. Additionally, they also emit light, though it seems weaker than that of a lumafly. Applications include; automatons, lanterns, grand light sources, guides. In individual cases they are also manipulated to break seals and guide a path (which might connect to guiding pilgrims). Has four sharp wings.

Royal Fly / Kingfly (unnamed)
There isn't much to this creature, except for its unique features and location. It has six sharp wings, and is connected to the Pale King. It can be seen on the title screen (new/old) with the Knight. The second location is at the Wings (HK), fluttering around the well. There may be other locations, though I can't certainly tell.

Moss Grotto Fly (unnamed)
This fly is seen in the Moss Grotto, having the exact shape of the far larger dragonfly-like creature in Verdania. It is likely related to the same extent as Obbles and Obblobbles (I probably butchered that name), having either a common ancector or being a different sub-species. Other than that, there isn't anything really. It doesn't glow though, from what I can tell.

Here you go. @undone moat

[hollow swallow]

yeah. witch's crest bind is single handedly the most op thing vs a boss if you can use it correctly

[exotic cedar]

Sorry it took a while im supid

[strange knot]

Good luck

[velvet cape]

All roads lead to witch crest slop

[toxic vigil]

mentally ill idea:
give wanderer a 4th yellow slot ( 5th with vesticrest )
why? idk wanderer is boring

[strange knot]

Is it bad tho?

[static sluice]

Do yall have any fun Challenge ideas for ll

[velvet cape]

Thats up to you.

[vernal osprey]

Has anyone beat silksong using down attacks only?

[strange knot]

Yep. Someone did that with beast crest

[vernal osprey]

Wait fr?

[strange knot]

Yeah

I forgot who tho

[vernal osprey]

Looking at yt I only see someone do the challenge only on hollow knight

[quartz gulch]

There are only three four yellow tools that are good. Heavy Belt, Silkspeed Anklets, Ascendants Grip and Magnetic Dice.
The other tools are rather just for comfort, while Barbed Bracelet isn't very benefitial, the punishment outwaying the gain by far.

So what would you even need those for?

Sell Satchel is good, however Steel Soul mode isn't the main way people play Silksong, hence barely interacting with it.
It should be in the main game though, as Dead Bugs Purse is downright dogshit.

[earnest drift]

shell satchel

[strange knot]

My internet is bad as fuck rn so I can’t show you sadly

[vernal osprey]

Nvm https://youtu.be/JI8mXWTMq_Y?si=WV8PyuKKyiXlPnuL

[earnest drift]

ok i checked yes it was

[vernal osprey]

With the worst down slash also

[hybrid wadi]

I did it I beat the game and I got the twisted child ending

[earnest drift]

wanderer at the top

[toxic vigil]

you forgot satchel

[quartz gulch]

Steel Soul doesn't count, as I'm talking about the main game. Sell Satchel is good, but really, 90% of players don't interact with it.

[toxic vigil]

personal tierlist of how much i use them

[undone moat]

bro..

[toxic vigil]

i just savefile edit becasue dead bug's purse is so stupid most people forget it

[undone moat]

https://youtu.be/PzLlFwC77V8?si=IE5o6Jpgr6vdEs6V

look at the fly in this vid

[earnest drift]

i tried to savefile edit to have all tools but it didn't work for some reason

[rocky lotus]

the hk community seems to not like him

[toxic vigil]

egg of flealia is definitely not the worst

[earnest drift]

i've noticed pretty much every youtuber has abysmal takes on silksong tools

[ancient mortar]

The lowest dps crest in the game being ranked above three of the best crests in the game is wild

[earnest drift]

crests and silk skills too tbh

[quartz gulch]

How is it awesome against anything but voided enemies?

[rocky lotus]

he used a very obvious strawman in his silksong difficulty video as well

[strange knot]

Is there a mod for giving yourself specific tool?

[earnest drift]

what was it

[strange knot]

Cuz debug can only give all tools

[ancient mortar]

no probably just use a saveditor

[toxic vigil]

like wispfire lantern, druid's eye / eyes, polip pouch, snitch pick, memory crystal are ATLEAST worse than egg of flealia
and this MINIMUM

[quartz gulch]

Because they all rate things as "good" and "bad", when actually it is all their opinion. I won't benefit from your "good" if that is not my playstyle.

[toxic vigil]

ITS HOW MUCH I LIKE THEM NOT HOW GOOD THEY ARE

[rocky lotus]

he made up a boss that doesnt exist that has a 90% chance to one shot you as an example of "bad difficulty"

[earnest drift]

always pollip pouch glaze, snitch pick slander and generally not doing enough research

[ancient mortar]

ah nvm then

[quartz gulch]

Get hit ONCE and you are one-hit with base hp. And you have to heal twice afterwards to recover.

[toxic vigil]

thinking polip pouch is not bottom 3 is not doing research

[earnest drift]

he made up a boss and said it was in the game??

[rocky lotus]

no but he used it as an example

[strange knot]

SNITCH PEAK IS GOOD. Also almost every yter uses wanderer

[earnest drift]

can you send the link

[desert cradle]

[earnest drift]

not all of them
rusty uses architect tool spam which is even worse

[rocky lotus]

holland

[ancient mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-toy-story-you-are-a-toy-you-are-a-chud-gif-2887627200340906462

[rocky lotus]

https://youtu.be/SifoX75Riaw

[quartz gulch]

Which is my point:
It is good, but not for me. I don't play hitless by choice, I play hitless because I occasionally play really good. But the risk outways the reward by far.

[strange knot]

Good thing I only watch speedruns so Hunter crest is superior there. Also skurry use beast I think

[toxic vigil]

ok wait
wanderer change idea
what if it dealt slightly more damage the more silk you have

instead of the stupid crit

it loses the dice synergy but like who cares. or just make crit dice only on wanderer

[earnest drift]

imo wanderer is fine as a good crest when the player is bad, but a bad crest when the player is good

it doesn't need a change

[quartz gulch]

Tool spam is abysmal. I use Architect's and I use tools a lot. But the moment someone uses Quicksling and complains about how OP it is I want to scream at them.

[toxic vigil]

i just hate that its the most boring crest

bc it just fells so boring to use

[strange knot]

Architect has something to say

[toxic vigil]

boring to use =/= boring in design

[strange knot]

I thought you were talking about gameplay

[quartz gulch]

Here is my proposal:
There is no crit, as it sucks anyway. But having a full silk meter extends the range slightly, and massively increases the width, making it easier to strike enemies.

[neat remnant]

Omg the millionth worst/best crest discussion

[strange knot]

Hi Leon

[quartz gulch]

How??? Architect has the most unique attacks, some of which are literally tools.

[toxic vigil]

hmm no
just removes the 1 thing it has ( worse range better dps )

[neat remnant]

Haii

[toxic vigil]

i like it being fast but thats really the only thing it does.

[quartz gulch]

I don't follow. Are you sure you understood my text?

[heady hollow]

wonder crest should have even worse range for better dps

[toxic vigil]

yeah i did

[quartz gulch]

So what good thing is removed? The crit that never does shit?

[earnest drift]

lol what

[toxic vigil]

i mean the 1 thing as in being unique and not just a noob crest

[quartz gulch]

Full Silk meter = no healing = not getting hit ≠ noob crest

[toxic vigil]

yeah but why range instead of damage like i suggested

[earnest drift]

LMAOOOO THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT

[rocky lotus]

he just really hates soul warrior

[quartz gulch]

Because that would be a better version of the balanced Hunter's Crest.

[heady hollow]

the only reason wonder is fun to use because has small range

[toxic vigil]

yeah

[neat remnant]

anyway new vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDnBjrZM1Q

[quartz gulch]

I don't hate Soul Warrior, until the minion spam in godhome. Also the most anti-climatic ending to a boss, TO EVER EXIST.

[toxic vigil]

they should make wanderer have 1 hp max so noobs won't use it but double its attack speed

[quartz gulch]

Longer range than Hunter's Crest btw.

[quartz gulch]

Is this a joke or bait?

[rocky lotus]

ppl forget about him but he is pretty decent

[earnest drift]

do you consider a boss moving quickly to be artificial difficulty

[rocky lotus]

pretty generic tho

[quartz gulch]

How would one even argument that?

[earnest drift]

i've seen it before

[quartz gulch]

Which examples are given?

[quartz gulch]

"WHY DOES THE BOSS MOVE???????"
Did they only fight like Flukemarm or something?

[rocky lotus]

lol

[earnest drift]

they include teleporting as well though

[rocky lotus]

i would like to see it if you can find the comment

[heady hollow]

tools should not be alowed to use against bosses to not chase them only on arenas and normal gameplay thoughts ?

[earnest drift]

i like shakra's bossfight but there are some issues about getting hit while she's offscreen and getting telefragged if you go too high up in the arena
otherwise i find her fun and consistent to play against and no-hit

[barren dew]

Hi

[toxic vigil]

yellow tool tierlist and satchel is below silkspeed anklets wtf

[quartz gulch]

Unless it is Shakra type teleporting where she does it consistently, it isn't bad. There is no bad boss in Silksong, only Palestag kinda sucks.
Zango isn't a boss, he's a challenge and Craggler is not a boss.

[quartz gulch]

Says who?

[toxic vigil]

issue with shakra is she has barely any health
600 and 0.9 needle modifier

[rocky lotus]

zango is THE boss dude wdym

[toxic vigil]

https://youtu.be/r8nzZUb_NmU?si=lUlknxCqLRbNJJSA

[quartz gulch]

Makes no sense.

[toxic vigil]

ass tierlist

[earnest drift]

yeah i think her low health makes the constant teleporting fine

[exotic cedar]

Hello bon

[earnest drift]

barbed bracelet at the bottom completely invalidates this list

[quartz gulch]

Well no shit if that is the guy rating it.

[heady hollow]

@quartz gulch yes it makes no sense that you can oneshot bosses without figting them with tools that's true

[barren dew]

hello apples

[exotic cedar]

Someone wanted to show you something

[barren dew]

Who

[exotic cedar]

.

[quartz gulch]

[@◊◊◊ yes it makes no sense that you can oneshot bosses without figting them with tools that's true]
?
You might want to elaborate.

[barren dew]

WHY DIDN'T YOU PING ME I WASN'T AWARE 💔💔💔💔💔💔

[exotic cedar]

Rip

[barren dew]

I DON'T like spaghetti KILLS you

[heady hollow]

@quartz gulch watch the gameplay using wonder attack no spell only vs using full tools on architect it's a diffrent game, that's why I only use wonder + no tools

[exotic cedar]

What the hell was that the EVIL bon

[barren dew]

WHAT THE HELL ROSE

[keen solstice]

Why tho

[barren dew]

Yes I'm NOT evil cries

[earnest drift]

wow

[barren dew]

@cobalt pilot @cobalt pilot @cobalt pilot

[quartz gulch]

You just said that not using tools oneshots bosses.

Besides, tools include red, yellow and blue. Do you actually use none of those?

[toxic vigil]

it was a joke but basically i hate it being a noob crest because its the only down pogo except reaper

[lost quartz]

me when I have to play video games

[toxic vigil]

Yellow tool tierlist after a bit more thought

[barren dew]

Rose I will KILL YOU for not pinging me

[heady hollow]

@quartz gulch I said using tools oneshots bosses wtf you talking about how would normal attacking one-shot bosses

[keen solstice]

I mean it's also the 2nd worst crest with reaper being the worst so

[earnest drift]

also did you know that rusty ranked crests and said architect was the best
the next day architect was nerfed

then rusty ranked silk skills and said thread storm was the best
the next day thread storm was nerfed

[exotic cedar]

Pls don't kill eachother

[quartz gulch]

Subjective, but besides that, HOW THE FUCK IS ACENDANTS GRIP SO LOW???

[keen solstice]

It's useless

Literally has 0 use

You can replicate the exact same effect by jump dashing into the wall

[toxic vigil]

tbh it just fells annoying to use

[quartz gulch]

[@◊◊◊ yes it makes no sense that you can oneshot bosses without figting them with tools that's true]
Well your message says otherwise.
Anyways, your complaints is about tools spam, not tools. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

[toxic vigil]

and does NOTHING

[barren dew]

Rose IS SLEEPING wake her up NOW

[heady hollow]

@quartz gulch right now I play on 1.25 speed for fun I'm using skull and fast bind on blue and nothing more, no tools playthrouh

[toxic vigil]

if it just did nothing i might have put it in D
but its also annoying so F tier

[quartz gulch]

Okay I guess?

[orchid locust]

@marsh spoke @barren dew

[quartz gulch]

Subjective

[keen solstice]

Objectively it is useless

The effect is l i t e r a l l y replicated by pressing 2 buttons

[toxic vigil]

still does nothing so

[toxic vigil]

1

[quartz gulch]

This is just the stupid "Steady Body is useless just go forwards" argument, which ignores literally anything outside of the core purpose. No thinking about situations or anything, just "but I don't need it so it is bad".

[heady hollow]

@quartz gulch you ask what I use so that's what I use, btw I don't realy have a problem with tools if the devs want the to be this strong if spam then tha's fine I'm personaly not gonna use them and if other people have fun using them that's also fine it's just my opinion that they are too strong

[barren dew]

Okaayyy someone CLEARY hates me I wonder WHO

[keen solstice]

If you want the exact same effect it's 2 actually
Jump>instantly press dash
You dash back to the same exact spot you were

[quartz gulch]

To each their own, I just care about having fun in my own way.

[orchid locust]

probably cause of the slashes try like "she her she her she her" or sm

[keen solstice]

Steadybody removes knockback from you entirely

Ascendant does jackshit

[dreamy kiln]

lowk this game is full of bugs

[sleek violet]

Who wins
Spit squit or primal aspid

[sleek violet]

Literally

[keen solstice]

Literally give me one thing ascendant does

[quartz gulch]

Am I supposed to laugh now?

[barren dew]

Zote's beautiful smile

[pale turtle]

helloo

[dreamy kiln]

Toxic!!11!11!11!!!

[barren dew]

Try sheher

[pale turtle]

i need help

silk and soul wont show up for me

i did evrything

[quartz gulch]

If this is toxic, you don't want to know what else there is in this channel.

[barren dew]

goodbye everyBUG

[pale turtle]

i did the quests got the fleas abd everything

[quartz gulch]

Nope.

[keen solstice]

Uh
Yes?

Ascendant grip literally does NOTHING

[pale turtle]

hel pleaes

[toxic vigil]

it does nothing

[stuck bloom]

Boss that gave me the most trouble on my first playthrough got beat in one try on my second. ||Signis and Gron|| are far less difficult with Wanderer compared to Architect

[keen solstice]

Uh
You can obliterate signis and gron with architect though, or are you using needle architect

[sharp tundra]

Hi sigmas

[rocky lotus]

dont really add anything to the gameplay imo but i dont mind them too much

[rocky lotus]

except for groal his runback sucksssss

[stuck bloom]

Idk on my first playthrough I just kept getting stomped

[keen solstice]

My first playthrough against thrm i obliterated them in first try using beast

[pale turtle]

can anone see my msgs?

[sharp tundra]

Which ones

[stuck bloom]

Beast is for playthrough 3

[pale turtle]

from here?

[sharp tundra]

Did u moved them

[stuck bloom]

Not looking forward to the platforming with it

[pale turtle]

idk

[quartz gulch]

Ascendants Grip does:
-makes platforming easier
-allows you to stay in one place to concentrate on the next move you take
-makes fighting in the air easier, as you don't have to do several things at once while concentrating on the enemy
-Let's you stay in place on the smallest ledges, which isn't possible with just dashing upwards, as that requires a minimum space

If you don't like it, I don't care. But trying to make claims that are objectively wrong isn't something I will ignore.
Alone the fact people use it, already proves that it has a use. If you say "it isn't usefull for good players" you might as well tell me that healing isn't necessary.

[quartz gulch]

Get ready for the "Beast has the best pogo".

[sharp tundra]

i have the best pogo

[rocky lotus]

groal is just that op

[heady hollow]

wait there's people who don't think ascendant grip is good?

[quartz gulch]

Maybe the best pogo was the friends we made along the way.

[keen solstice]

• doesn't do jack shit for platforming
• doesn't make fighting in the air easier, if anything, it makes you a static target for ranged enemies
• jump dashing does the exact same shit letting you stay in one place
  -jump dashing let's you stay on the smallest ledhes

It is OBJECTIVELY useless whether you LIKE IT or NOT

[sharp tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-steelsoul-hollow-knight-zi-gif-15104530040958837458

[stuck bloom]

Surprised there isn't a "Groal the Great%" category for speedruns

[rocky lotus]

groal actually did this to me he kicked me to the main menu and deleted my save right in front of me

[quartz gulch]

Then how does it help people if it is useless?

[heady hollow]

@keen solstice you don't know what the word objective means so stop typing

[stuck bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[pastel lark]

he's just annoying to hit

[sharp tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/caine-tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-shimmy-swalla-gif-9655659251630814815

[keen solstice]

It doesn't help at all

[stuck bloom]

Danké

"we"

[quartz gulch]

It doesn't help you silly. You are not the greater percentage of players.

[keen solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1437421882193477794/Hollow_Knight_Silksong_2025.11.10_-_14.40.04.01.mp4?ex=69868a32&is=698538b2&hm=2f088f488d3a8392f3986c0bf47713173e1272314135f6ed8ab1df650451f164&

[quartz gulch]

People don't comprehend certain things other might see as common sense.

[keen solstice]

Objectively
Ascendant
Is
USELESS
end of story

[valid kernel]

coral tower sucks

[stuck bloom]

Mental illness

[keen solstice]

You have ZERO common sense

[pastel lark]

if people wanna use they'll use it what is the problem

[stuck bloom]

I'm on your side dawg

[keen solstice]

Every single time you speak here you just spit out bullshit

[quartz gulch]

Now remove 80% of that wall space, remove the right wall, add spikes on top of the wall and put muckwater underneath.

[keen solstice]

You can do the exact same thing

You don't need the other wall

PLAY THE GAME

[sharp tundra]

i love spider strings

[quartz gulch]

Well too bad for having an opinion. Welcome to the real world. Not everyone has to follow your way of doing things, neither do they have to agree.

Don't be pathetic, actually getting ragebaited by me saying "this tool isn't bad".

[stuck bloom]

mfer has less subscribers than videos

[steady walrus]

can we still break the bilewater exit from putrified ducts

[exotic cedar]

What is this chat

Why are we fighting

[pastel lark]

no

[toxic vigil]

jump and dash to the wall

[steady walrus]

good

[keen solstice]

Not everyone has to follow others

But clowns like you should shut the fuck up for once

[stuck bloom]

It's just one guy with brainrot

[hollow swallow]

I have no idea but I brought popcorn for everyone

[steady walrus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-omg-trending-g9W63AVGOHFZaXPC6l

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-silksong-hollow-knight-tormented-trobbio-scared-gif-13022162881477030202

[keen solstice]

Legit all it takes is two buttons yet this dude things it needs alot of space and having another wall

[spark anchor]

trobbio and mooshka sound like they have the same voice actor not gonna lie

[keen solstice]

Idk why am i interacting with this dude actually
All he does is fucking ragebait

[exotic cedar]

If stilkins annoy you, they do their job well

[quartz gulch]

This you?

[pastel lark]

and you think this is a worthwhile discussion

[spark anchor]

even his own va confirmed that he voices one of the fleas

it's not like yellow tools have any opportunity cost

[steady walrus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jjk-yuji-itadori-3ClYqZdvNP6JNHq76K

[quartz gulch]

The funniest thing has got to be people complaining about enemies being enemies.

[spark anchor]

the only opportunity cost to yellows are dice, belt and bracelet (if you're freaky)

[exotic cedar]

Beefing over a yellow tool 🙏

[stuck bloom]

I run compass, grip and sprint because it feels nice

[keen solstice]

Saying ascendant grip is good is like saying pollip pouch is good

[toxic vigil]

satchel

[quartz gulch]

Hahaha, because it is!

[pastel lark]

it does not matter

[exotic cedar]

Like if you beef over dice i understand

[keen solstice]

Reality on the other hand is that both are among the most useless tools in the game

[stuck bloom]

Nice try lil bro but you got greedy with that one

[toxic vigil]

saying grip is good is like saying wreath of purity is good against gms

[hollow swallow]

grip is good as well

[quartz gulch]

This fits right?

[keen solstice]

??
Got greedy eith what?
Both are literally useless tools

[pastel lark]

we are beefing over an inoffensive yellow tool it's not that deep bro 🥀

[exotic cedar]

But beefing over grip is weird, grip is for people that are not comfy with the wall climb

[hollow swallow]

fr

[exotic cedar]

What boss?

[heady hollow]

@keen solstice interesting one don't do shit and the other changes the gameplay hmm

[keen solstice]

Grip exists
That's its entire use
Same with spider strings

[keen solstice]

Both don't do jack shit

[pastel lark]

so why are we beffing

[rocky lotus]

stilkin im pretty sure

[stuck bloom]

Damn I beat the game with useless tools? I must be better than I thought

[exotic cedar]

Oh, they are pretty telegraphed imo esp the trappers

[pastel lark]

people who like it use it end of story

[keen solstice]

Wreath of mid is more useful than ascendant at the very least, it has a clear use that cannot be replicated without the tool itself

[exotic cedar]

The dart ones can be annoying but yeah they freeze midair

[keen solstice]

People beat the game nail only, what's your point?

[sharp tundra]

as i said spider strings is the best

[quartz gulch]

Damn, I found use in a useless tool? I must be holy!

[spark anchor]

oh yeah that too

[stuck bloom]

idk just happy that I wasn't getting carried

Feels good

[quartz gulch]

Spider Strings on Wanderers. Harp and Harp or something, idk even.

[keen solstice]

Unless you use architect or beast you don't "get carried"

[heady hollow]

@keen solstice i though it let's you stand on walls well apparently it does nothing. it is a yellow for a reason it has a small use

[sharp tundra]

why its called needolin if its a harp
Why not needlarp

[exotic cedar]

I want to kill everyone

[sharp tundra]

Same twin

[keen solstice]

@heady hollow

[quartz gulch]

When will people understand "Quality of Life". The rosary collecting thing is just as good, but it makes things easier.

[keen solstice]

You can do what ascendant does by simply pressing jump dash instead of wasting a yellow slot

Not every crest has 4 yellows like wanderers to waste on garbage

[hollow swallow]

yeah, beating the game without using good tools and boasting about it just means you're an asshole who thinks they're superior to the game

[exotic cedar]

Yellow slots arent that important anyway

[sharp tundra]

Lie
Spider strings...

[exotic cedar]

Its a singleplayer game use anything you want tbh

[pastel lark]

@keen solstice what is the point of arguing against grip? some ppl just don't wanna jump and dash for a wall like that so they just use grip nno problem

[exotic cedar]

We do not have to kill eachother for something

[hollow swallow]

its literally just dice as must have, everything else is optional

[sharp tundra]

I have to think about this

[keen solstice]

Dice and weighted belt

Silkspeed is also huge qol

[quartz gulch]

"You can just collect the rosaries"
"You can just farm shell shards"
"You can just dodge instead of dice"
"You can just upslash instead of heavy belt"

Do you function?

[exotic cedar]

Bracelet is also good

[hollow swallow]

you can live without the belt unless you use beast crest

[zealous narwhal]

Ascendant grip literally trivializes platforming, it’s not like people are bringing it into boss fights and wasting slots there

[pastel lark]

you can do practically the same thing as belt by walking forward

[exotic cedar]

Remember we play games for FUN its not a competition or some shit

[quartz gulch]

Final boss for these people.

[keen solstice]

Platforming is the exact same with and without ascendant.
I literally posted a vid doing the exact same shit as ascendant without

[arctic epoch]

i play the game for competition

[quartz gulch]

i-frames you don't need, just don't get hit. /s

[heady hollow]

ok so grip useless but weighted bell goted I see @keen solstice HOLY FUCK the fucking belt is even more trash

[gusty igloo]

hello

[heady hollow]

you can just move

[exotic cedar]

Hi

[keen solstice]

Are you perhaps stupid?

[quartz gulch]

Answer now, is Grip good?

[gusty igloo]

hello abbl

[pastel lark]

are you?

[toxic vigil]

????????????????????

[gusty igloo]

yes

[hollow swallow]

god I love the chaos here

[keen solstice]

Weighted belt reduces knockback for both you and the enemy while increasing your iframes

Grip does NOTHING

[heady hollow]

@keen solstice don;t care never use

[exotic cedar]

Gauntlets are the best part of silksong tbh

[toxic vigil]

belt gives more iframes + less knockback on attacks WHICH IS MORE CONSISTENT DPS

[exotic cedar]

Maybe even better than bosses

[gusty igloo]

grip is cool for platforming

[quartz gulch]

Great!

[keen solstice]

Useless for platforming

[stable narwhal]

dont slander my goat

[keen solstice]

Again, effect is replicated

[quartz gulch]

No shit.

[toxic vigil]

yeah i like them a lot, esp before krust king khann

[gusty igloo]

who cares bout iframes anyway just dont get hit

[hollow swallow]

how about no xd

[keen solstice]

"grip is good"

[toxic vigil]

stupid fucking dipshit mentality

[hollow swallow]

high halls gauntlet is single most annoying thing I've experienced in my life

[rocky lotus]

what about hhg

[pastel lark]

it is literally just qol for people that don't wanna jump and dash from a wall @keen solstice why are you fighting about this

[sharp tundra]

We should all forget our hatred and use spider strings

[fossil bolt]

Grip is good for Nyleth fight

[gusty igloo]

youre using a crest that relies on iframes 😭

[zealous narwhal]

Insane rage bait

[keen solstice]

It's a fact
Like it or not

[rocky lotus]

the dual clappers fight is kinda annoying tho

[hollow swallow]

oh that's cute

[keen solstice]

I posted a vid showing myself doing the exact same shit as grip WITHOUT grip

[keen solstice]

Grip is another fucking spider strings

[hollow swallow]

YOOOOOO

[reef isle]

Im only at 78% after 110 hours I really need to git gud

[sudden ice]

grip is a nice qol tool. it just means you can put less effort into staying in the same place on a wall

[heady hollow]

bro thinks grip is bad because rather then hold button you need to click 3 buttons with perfect motion for same effect but thinks belt is good but you need to click the direction for 0.1 second for same effect. Ok I don't care more about this disscusion

[sharp tundra]

took 8 hours
YET STILL COULDNT FINISH IT

[exotic cedar]

No, just take your time and have fun

[sharp tundra]

Spider strings makes u deal 1m damage

[hollow swallow]

yeah I can imagine, it takes time

[quartz gulch]

"Cling grip is bad" get a life or an opinion someone cares about.

[slender zealot]

You sent the exact same image a few days ago

[gusty igloo]

you can use the exact same argument for belt and show a video of just not getting hit

[keen solstice]

Maybe if you had a fucking brain you would realize that weighted belt is the steady body of silksong effectively giving you less knockback and more consistent dps while increasing your fucking iframes

[sharp tundra]

of course i do
Someone have to promote art

[rocky lotus]

it felt like too big of a difficulty spike in my opinion

[slender zealot]

Trying to get fame

[gusty igloo]

both grip and belt are just qol tools

[keen solstice]

Belt gives you an ACTIVE BENEFICIAL effect
Grip gives you NOTHING

[rocky lotus]

got really really hard out of nowhere

[sharp tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/caine-tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-shimmy-swalla-gif-9655659251630814815

[slender zealot]

Hey

[heady hollow]

@keen solstice yes in hollow knight also the worst fucking charm in game with no use

[stable narwhal]

bro is mad over a yellow tool😭

[pastel lark]

literally who cares

[keen solstice]

Okay this is clearly ragebait

[sharp tundra]

Yes we should all use spider strings

[heady hollow]

never use in hollow knight also and betten panton 5

[stable narwhal]

can we argue about REAL stuff like blue tools

[pastel lark]

okay this is clearly rage bait

[zealous narwhal]

It sucks in hollow knight too

[gusty igloo]

yeah

[hollow swallow]

it lets you stay close to a wall indtead of having to conciously jump off of it, and dont give me the bullshit about dashing up the wall

[hollow swallow]

yessss

[keen solstice]

I literally posted a video

[gusty igloo]

all yelow tools are useless tbh except for spider strings thats a life changer

[exotic cedar]

Lmao this is so tru- WHY ARE THEY KISSING

[toxic vigil]

jump dash back

[keen solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1437421882193477794/Hollow_Knight_Silksong_2025.11.10_-_14.40.04.01.mp4?ex=69868a32&is=698538b2&hm=2f088f488d3a8392f3986c0bf47713173e1272314135f6ed8ab1df650451f164&

[lament ember]

bro. istg your responses are ai generated (respectfully) 🥀 that is NOT what i meant

[stable narwhal]

blue tool take warding bell is underrated

[keen solstice]

Ascendant
Is
Useless
END OF STORY

[pastel lark]

who fucking cares

[exotic cedar]

The arguement is so fucking shit the video doesn't load

[hollow swallow]

okay, how about when you use the tool... you just DONT HAVE TO PRESS ANY OTHER GODDAMN BUTTONS

[tacit cobalt]

ÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑÑ

[exotic cedar]

Its just black screen

[gusty igloo]

once i get home ill record a video of me not getting hit and call it an argument for belt being useless

[heady hollow]

in hollow knight it also cost 1 charm slot why the fuck would you use it, it has to be a ragebait holy

[tacit cobalt]

Ññññññ

[zealous narwhal]

The actual silliest hill to die on

[keen solstice]

And you waste a yellow slot that you could have put either weighted belt dice or fucking silk anklets

[heady hollow]

in silksong is the yellow so you can use it

[toxic vigil]

are we deadass comparing dps increase ( belt ) to " OHHH I DON'T WANT TO PRESS 1 MORE BUTTON THAN USUAL " ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[slender zealot]

I love sawtooth in my soul and silk

[marsh ibex]

lmao

[sharp tundra]

is it silent

[marsh ibex]

Whom

[toxic vigil]

steady body is literally a top 10 charm?

[zealous narwhal]

Perhaps

[quartz gulch]

Funnily enough, I hate AI and never use it. But I made this statement as some people like Mehiedden7 don't understand the difference between being good and the game being easy.

[toxic vigil]

have you done p5

[marsh ibex]

I’ve been up since 3 am I can’t be bothered to backread allat

[hollow swallow]

unless you use wanderer's with little to no push back

[heady hollow]

@toxic vigil ye sure, do you use it in pantheon 5 ?

[keen solstice]

Every crest benefits from weighted my guy

[toxic vigil]

yeah

[gusty igloo]

steady body is op belt does barely anything

[heady hollow]

@toxic vigil that's acctualy insane

[exotic cedar]

Belt nerfs me when im using witch

[slender zealot]

Im so bad i did all of p4 first try except pure vessel then tried him alone 50 times cant beat

[lament ember]

but im not Mediedden7...

[hollow swallow]

well if you only have one slot, then obviously dice

[toxic vigil]

?????

steady body is goated??

[keen solstice]

It reduces knockback and gives higher iframes

[lament ember]

what is your playstyle

[marsh ibex]

Are y’all seriously beefing over a fucking tierlist

[hollow swallow]

have you heard of people that want to play safer instead of bruteforcing every boss

[pastel lark]

everyone should realize that none of this means anything Holy shot

[marsh ibex]

do you have nothing better to do????

[slender zealot]

I use shade dash

[marsh ibex]

go read a book or something goddamn

[lament ember]

who deosnt?

[stable narwhal]

isnt that what we do here all day

[gusty igloo]

just dont get hit smh
exact same argument as "just do this abomimation of jumping and dashing back to a wall" you have

[quartz gulch]

People like them. I don't know your opinion, so I just wanted to state it anyway.

[slender zealot]

For pure vessel

[hollow swallow]

no we're beefing about usability of a certain tool

[marsh ibex]

🤨

[full rune]

i just asked chatgpt if keybinds even if due to prefrence is an accessibility feature

[lament ember]

i was just confused why you replied to me...

[hollow swallow]

agreed

[gusty igloo]

ai 🤢

[sudden ice]

mhm we are doing that

[marsh ibex]

LMFAOOO

[full rune]

so to everyone who makes fun of me for mouse bindings, you just hate accessibility

[quartz gulch]

Being woke is literally just not being racist, sexist, etc.

[marsh ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

[pastel lark]

can't tell if this is satire or not

[full rune]

you play silksong, that has ai

[gusty igloo]

yall should ban me

[stable narwhal]

are you serious rn

[gusty igloo]

what

[quartz gulch]

Generative AI

[pastel lark]

it does not have Gen ai

[marsh ibex]

i didn’t even get pinged for that

[earnest drift]

can you not

[slender zealot]

I am a gargant gloom and ductsucker and spit squit and primal aspid and stilkin and groal all at once

[hollow swallow]

I cant elaborate more since its SK discussion channel

[marsh ibex]

Bro started being a dumbass for the love of the game

[gusty igloo]

most basic enemy attack algorithm is as bad as gen ai now wow

[sharp tundra]

Aspider
Istrings

[full rune]

gen ai was not explicitly said, just ai

[marsh ibex]

you guys really need to learn to be specific when hating on ai

[gusty igloo]

isnt it obvious though

[full rune]

another win for me on semantics

[exotic cedar]

Why can't we have artifical stupidity

[quartz gulch]

Gen AI was a Silkpost lmao

[marsh ibex]

i wish i was shot

[pastel lark]

when talking about hating Ai, most of the time it's about Gen ai

[gusty igloo]

cause we have natural stupidity
like me

[rocky lotus]

why did they get muted what did they do

[marsh ibex]

who is they gng

[full rune]

wow i didnt know that!!! i learned something new today, thanks grok

[exotic cedar]

I'm more stupid 😡

[slender zealot]

If anyone dares say wanderers is bad youll see the consequences

[rocky lotus]

jbooster

[earnest drift]

second lowest dps

[gusty igloo]

then why bring that up

[marsh ibex]

they were banned for being a piece of shit

[keen solstice]

It's the 2nd lowest interms of output

[marsh ibex]

hope this helps

[slender zealot]

No no no no no

[full rune]

i guess we are past humor hours

[pastel lark]

rage bait is why

[slender zealot]

Stop

[earnest drift]

underwhelming gimmick

[marsh ibex]

How tf was I meant to know that

[gusty igloo]

yeah im pissed cuz school

[hollow swallow]

valid reason, respect that

[gusty igloo]

and i feel shitty overall

[marsh ibex]

i don’t know em

[fossil bolt]

What's wrong with mouse bindings? We have two hands, yeah? Might as well put one of them on the comfy form-fitting thing with easy button access.

[slender zealot]

Highest attack rate

[marsh ibex]

they were parroting the shit

if they appeal I’ll unban but cmon

[full rune]

i refuse to talk to anyone who still goes to school, children DNI

[sharp tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-funni-meme-digital-circus-the-amazing-digital-circus-gif-9676202865104807758

[quartz gulch]

Nintendo with their three finger controllers has something to say.

[earnest drift]

does that matter if the damage output is poor

[marsh ibex]

I still go to school…

[quartz gulch]

Adults go to school too...

[earnest drift]

nice silk gain ig but use shaman if you want to get the most out of your silk

[slender zealot]

And good pogo

[keen solstice]

Same dmg per hit as reaper, only 3rd in needle dps
Has 1 red tool slot only
Has no gimmick

[full rune]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[gusty igloo]

bro graduated 0.0001 seconds ago

[marsh ibex]

🥹

[keen solstice]

Mediocre pogo actually

[earnest drift]

the pogo has a small hitbox and low i frames

[slender zealot]

Longclaw

[hollow swallow]

id actually love to bind with my 4th mouse button, unfortunately I play on an xbox 360 controller from 14 years ago xd

[gusty igloo]

one of the worst pogos

[quartz gulch]

I can't indentify sarcasm most the time...

[earnest drift]

sacrificing a blue slot to make up for a weakness isn't great

[slender zealot]

Its no beast pgo

[pastel lark]

Holy ragebait batman

[gusty igloo]

barely does anything andnwastes a blue slot

[full rune]

identify this
bans you humorously

:3c

[gusty igloo]

beast pogo is good actually

[keen solstice]

It's not ragebait?

[quartz gulch]

Please shut up about crests guys.

[slender zealot]

But what about crit hits

[gusty igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1425750070434857113/1426503896259625041/caption.gif

[hollow swallow]

heh, funny

[earnest drift]

inconsistent +4% dps isn't that useful

[gusty igloo]

random mechanic disguised as a gimmick

[pastel lark]

you know I realized I do not fucking care

[full rune]

enlightenment

[slender zealot]

If ya can cook lugoli then uts best right

[stable narwhal]

any crest that isnt witch sucks end of discussion

[hollow swallow]

so are dice by that description

[earnest drift]

wdym

[exotic cedar]

Crests have different playstyles so it fits different people why do we kill eachother everyday

[arctic epoch]

Architect:

[gusty igloo]

just use whatever you want and not call your favorite crest objectivley goos

[keen solstice]

Wanderer pogo has ass range no bounce height shit iframes
It's mediocre through and through
It's not ragebait

[hollow swallow]

okay now that's ragebait

[slender zealot]

You can cook lugoli with wanderers

[keen solstice]

... You can do so with every other crest?

[earnest drift]

you can cook lugoli with any crest

[slender zealot]

Our life

[stable narwhal]

yall need to open your eyes to the way of the witch

[quartz gulch]

Gotta go now, bye! Please shut tf up about crests, who even cares?

[gusty igloo]

its a yellow tool
all other yellow tools are useless sp you arent missing out on other tools by equipping it

[earnest drift]

you can cook any boss with any crest if you're good enough

[gusty igloo]

carefree melody on the other hand is useless because it costs 3 notches

[slender zealot]

But if he wandered to sinners road through sins soooo

[pastel lark]

who fucking cares man people use what they like and they don't care a out what is "best"

[earnest drift]

do you mean using wanderer crest is a sin? because i agree

[hollow swallow]

they are QoL, they're not useless, that's why i like wanderer's so much

[quartz gulch]

I thought two...
Actually seems worse then.

[slender zealot]

I care

[pallid pine]

Still working on my zoteboat map

[stable narwhal]

like i keep saying we should be hating on crests for no logical reason, just vibes

[exotic cedar]

Looks really good

[earnest drift]

https://tenor.com/view/average-witch-crest-speed-kill-gif-16326558384304353968

[earnest drift]

snitch pick is used in this right

[quartz gulch]

There is no useless crest, no worse tool, no bad boss, no voice to cry suffering, no objective list.

[sharp tundra]

Wat about spider strings???

[quartz gulch]

Bye!

[slender zealot]

STOP SENDING SAME VIDEO AGAIN

[gusty igloo]

i disagree, huge flea sucks

[sharp tundra]

no yaoi

[pastel lark]

whay

[exotic cedar]

Palestag, clover dancers, zango, gurr (and more) sucks

[gusty igloo]

takes 10 hits to kill and has 1 attack

[slender zealot]

You just get off the platform

[hollow swallow]

you are the player, you are the SHAW!

[full rune]

gen ai is cool as long as it depletes water from places that i dont like, like Raleigh, North Carolina, or the entirety of Connecticut

[gusty igloo]

im not talking its hard im talking its ass

[keen solstice]

Reaper is useless.
Pollip pouch is the worst blue tool alongside spider strings.
Pale stag is abysmal dogshit.

[exotic cedar]

There is bad bosses

[pastel lark]

but it looks goofy so best boss in game ||/s||

[split lodge]

Sawtooth circlet is the objectively best tool

[hollow swallow]

yeah, like savage beasfly

[exotic cedar]

Savage beastfly isnt that bad tbh

[earnest drift]

i used to defend pollip pouch a little but i'm going to shit on it now if it means snitch pick won't be slandered as much

[gusty igloo]

im so gay i could kiss a girl

[sudden ice]

i enjoyed pale stag tbh

[pallid pine]

If im motivated enough i could probaly do the amber bastion in a day

[hollow swallow]

but he has no redeeming qualities as a bossfight other than being annoying and hard

[gusty igloo]

holy thats big

[keen solstice]

Snitch pick: buffs clawline dmg by 25%
Pollip pouch: ummmm uhhhh ummmmm uhhhhh

[gusty igloo]

isnt it 50%?

[split lodge]

I’d pay to play this now

[fossil bolt]

Yeah I don't get the hate for Savage Beastfly, even the 2nd fight. It felt a lot more predictable/manageable to me than most other bosses in the game.

[exotic cedar]

The summons can get annoying and that dash attack but i can say it's a telegraphed boss

[gusty igloo]

clawline does 2 hits of half of your damage and snitch pick increases it to 3

[pallid pine]

Biggest project ive done yet, gonna make a website eventually where you can see all the dialogue, and items yk

[exotic cedar]

The problem with the dash attack is like, why does it change its height or whatever(or is it just me)

[gusty igloo]

50% increase

[sudden ice]

pollip pouch makes my tools purple (this is a good reason for using it right?)

[keen solstice]

[earnest drift]

the third hit deals half the dmg of either of the first 2 hits

[gusty igloo]

you should also think of the abilities to get to certain parts of the map and stuff

[gusty igloo]

rly?

[earnest drift]

so it's +25%, still good

[earnest drift]

yeah

[pallid pine]

Yeah, ive already made the barkbeams work with a ability i call grappleleap

[keen solstice]

In a clawline heavy playstyle snitch pick increases your damage by a big margin

It might not be a outright full 25% but still over 10%

[gusty igloo]

i only use clawline when i remember to

[exotic cedar]

I honestly do NOT want to watch silksong difficulty sucks videos

[brave geyser]

from my run i have learnt 25% damage increase is alot
Iam never making fun of snitch pick ever

[exotic cedar]

Because i will hear the most shitass takes ever

[split lodge]

Clawline is the sole reason I could do liquid lacquer hitless

[earnest drift]

snitch pick is great and i really hope they fix the stupid memory boss bug so it can be used against karmelita and first sinner

[brave geyser]

what bug

[gusty igloo]

tbh silksong's difficulty was the most fun difficulty ive ever experienced

[cold gorge]

What’s ya opinion on the double jump of silksong?

[gusty igloo]

i mean in combat silly

[earnest drift]

it doesn't work on bosses where you can't die (except shakra and garmond) for some reason

[exotic cedar]

Silksong difficulty was fun but i like nine sols difficulty more a little bit

[neon geyser]

it works...?

[brave geyser]

bro what

[gusty igloo]

is it easjer or harder?

[split lodge]

Somehow they made it a wing themed thing too like in HK1 without feeling out of place

[earnest drift]

snitch pick won't do the third hit in lost verdania, coral tower, karmelita, nyleth or first sinner

[keen solstice]

Harder

[fossil bolt]

Game went from very hard to average for me after unlocking double-jump

[verbal steeple]

do you guys ever get bored of walking so u just.

[earnest drift]

pharlid: NO GLITCHES

[cold gorge]

Yeah the double jump and claw line are great additions

[gusty igloo]

i need to download that no blur mod

[verbal steeple]

i don't have that mod

[teal ridge]

Hi

[verbal steeple]

the pharlid is the only reason i'm able to get that mask shard

[split lodge]

Walking into memorium with the cloak for the first time might be the best exploration I’ve ever experienced

[verbal steeple]

u can't exit out of that state unless u get hit

or switch rooms.

[gusty igloo]

i dont remember that partof blasted steps being this clear

[verbal steeple]

i wonder if i can use this bench storage glitch in order to do act 1 mountfay easier

[teal ridge]

Im gonna throw something

[rocky lotus]

and tools

[verbal steeple]

tho i actually wanna see if it's possible to do bilewater this way

[brave geyser]

It is that clear

[gusty igloo]

it is

[rocky lotus]

especially tools

[stable narwhal]

istg everyone who complains about enemies moving too much completely forget about clawline and silk skills and just try to use their wanderer swings like hk (past me included)

[rocky lotus]

i can get not liking runbacks or gauntlets but enemies blocking and being evasive is not an issue with the game

[split lodge]

The massively extended movement options is why iframes are so few and far between in this game compared to HK1 lol

[verbal steeple]

y'know. could u possibly use bench storage to glitch your way into the twisted bud room without entering whispering vaults?

[full rune]

what is this video LMAO

[stable narwhal]

it makes me sad so many people are missing out on the offensive capability of clawline

[verbal steeple]

sadly i can't use this glitch to get to grindle early since there's no way for me to exit out of the weird state

[stable narwhal]

it's genuinely a game changer once you learn how to use clawline effectively in combat

[keen solstice]

There are iframes tho
It's called getting hit
You get around like 26 or 30 ish iframes

[split lodge]

Clawline makes staggering 1st sinner so easy

[verbal steeple]

there's actually a bunch of i-frames in this game

[split lodge]

I do still think Cross stitch > D dark

[verbal steeple]

i love using sharpdart. missing. but still being able to phase through enemies because it gives a shitton of i-frames

[gusty igloo]

you'd have to no clip or do other glitch magic

[stable narwhal]

not just bosses like first sinner, tc intentially put in flying enemies that are quite impossible to hit without using clawline on them to teach us to use them in combat

[keen solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1437522190441517096/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_3.mp4?ex=69138c5e&is=69123ade&hm=1ac4aa3e37b189f18952b50fd98ba9a13c2ff631c03544af0973fc0fd67c93be&

Look
Iframes

[rocky lotus]

a lot of the ones you find are before clawline

[verbal steeple]

i was thinking i could possible do a reaper charge attack and then switch to another crest and back into reaper in order to resume that attack and possibly hit the breakable floor thing

[gusty igloo]

the iframes are enough to beast bind wow

[rocky lotus]

they want you to use tools on them

[split lodge]

Magnetite dice gambling all day let’s go

[verbal steeple]

but it probably won't work.

[gusty igloo]

i dont think so

[verbal steeple]

y'know i was thinking i could possibly get into grindles room using flea brew and plasmium

[keen solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

[verbal steeple]

tho it didn't work which was sad

also i accidentally softlocked myself in the sharpdart weavenest lmao

i didn't know that needolin is disabled when benchstoraging

[toxic vigil]

quickbind + witch crest + mutlbinder against this

[verbal steeple]

so i had to rollback a save

[icy junco]

I was told id get my burger order here, am i in the wrong place

[split lodge]

Hot take: the objectively correct way to turn off the game is by first going to sleep in bellhome

[verbal steeple]

a true skonger never turns off the game

[keen solstice]

Sadly injector only reduces witch bind to 27 frames compared to beast going down to 21

[rocky lotus]

i like destroying my monitor with a brick because groal killed my family

[static notch]

I was told the same thing

[rocky lotus]

thats my fav way to turn it off

[static notch]

Starting to think I was lied to

[toxic vigil]

with belt it still should be enough tough right?

[icy junco]

Yea 🙁

[split lodge]

What do you mean you didn’t cheese groal with the arch crest—

[keen solstice]

Prob
Last time i tried with witch i didn't have belt so i couldn't do it

[rocky lotus]

i beat groal with reaper i think

[rocky lotus]

i just slowly killed him with poison cogflies and threefold pin

[barren dew]

hi

[rocky lotus]

didnt even need to attack him with the needle

[raven lava]

Hi gng

[split lodge]

Plasmium OD makes the runback a joke

[verbal steeple]

groal runback is lowkey not that bad

[plucky barn]

hi

[rocky lotus]

it is that bad

[verbal steeple]

it aint

[split lodge]

Plasmium OD + Druid’s eyes + cogflies is basically a free win combo for any boss

[verbal steeple]

infact groal runback is one of the most fun platformings in this game

[raven lava]

What about queen crest

[rocky lotus]

muck maggots, annoying enemies a gauntlet and its just really long

[split lodge]

Have you met the chef yet?

[verbal steeple]

mucmaggots are pretty easy if you just

don't fall.

[stable narwhal]

it isnt that bad "once you get used to it"

it's horrible when it's your first

[rocky lotus]

i beat every boss except for shakra, voltvyrm and garmond so yes

[stable narwhal]

thus the runback is indeed, that bad

[verbal steeple]

i did it on my first playthrough and thought it was fun

[unkempt steeple]

Took me too long to realize multibind is a good anti-muckmaggot tool cuz it still heals two masks after removing the effect

[rocky lotus]

pure vessel is really easy just dont get hit

[split lodge]

I kid you not, Volt filament makes shaman crest a nuke

[verbal steeple]

so true

[opal elbow]

Hello there

[stable narwhal]

well good for you

[verbal steeple]

silksong is so easy just don't get hit

[unkempt steeple]

Silksong is easyslop

[rocky lotus]

i misread this as the bird punishment

[stable narwhal]

it didnt originally, if it makes u feel better. it was updated quite recently

[verbal steeple]

you guys only hate groal runback because it's platformingslop

[rocky lotus]

no mount fay is platformingslop and its fun

[stable narwhal]

i hate groal runback because the ground is made of literal SLOP

[unkempt steeple]

Oh that makes sence

[split lodge]

Crawfather: now stand before your-
Hornet: *kills the entire jury

[rocky lotus]

groalslop...

[stable narwhal]

bilewater more like slopwater

[unkempt steeple]

Weird that it didn't happen originally tho

[stable narwhal]

bileslop

[verbal steeple]

sinner's slop

[stable narwhal]

yeah it was a big pet peeve of mine on launch

[unkempt steeple]

Stillwater

[verbal steeple]

greyslop

[rocky lotus]

imagine living in greymoorslop 😂 😂 😂 😂

[verbal steeple]

hunter's slop

[rocky lotus]

which bosses? i dont remember

[split lodge]

Halfway home seems decent except their cellar’s ant problem

[verbal steeple]

Verdania slop

[unkempt steeple]

Slopsong

[verbal steeple]

Slopslop

[silver oak]

you forget that zote would immediately complete any task he is set so making a game for him would be useless

[verbal steeple]

silksong is filled with lace slop

[split lodge]

Just have a drink with the bartender and let Nuu kiss you

[unkempt steeple]

Can we agree sea of sorrow was never good

[verbal steeple]

[verbal steeple]

sea of slop

[split lodge]

Slop of sorrow?!

[barren dew]

Zote mentioned I'm in joy

[stable narwhal]

fr there's barely any gameplay, if any at all

[unkempt steeple]

Also the new tools are terrible

[rocky lotus]

💀

[split lodge]

Sea of sorrow has new tools?

[zealous narwhal]

I think he’s at the point in the timeline where he’d actively weaken himself to feel a true challenge

[verbal steeple]

guys i think hornet has braindamage

[silver oak]

interesting theory

[unkempt steeple]

Pretty sure team cherry mentioned that in the last blog post

[barren dew]

Also new crests and characters I think

[verbal steeple]

you guys only like silksong because it's goodslop

[unkempt steeple]

Idk if they mentioned crests, but like we do dee a corpse in the trailer so...

[rocky lotus]

qualityslop*

[unkempt steeple]

I do

[arctic epoch]

I think they're a nice mechanic

[barren dew]

I could have sworn I saw new crests I'm going crazy

[verbal steeple]

i like muckmaggots

[unkempt steeple]

The muckmaggots are so darn cute

[split lodge]

If sea of sorrow doesn’t have phantom, hornet, and lace fighting absolute GMS and ending with a triple parry it’s an auto 0/10

[silver oak]

there’s gonna be one new crest

[stable narwhal]

throws a pimpillo at you

[silver oak]

I bet my mod role on this

[arctic epoch]

If sea of sorrow doesn't nerf Wanderer, i'm terminating TC

[barren dew]

I'm NOT crazy!!!!!! YAAY

[split lodge]

Wanna have some roach guts?

[unkempt steeple]

I would never eat these elegant creatures

[barren dew]

Thank you Necromancer the mod Unravelled

[split lodge]

Seared organs?

[silver oak]

exCUSE ME

[verbal steeple]

i saw someone make a comment about how the flukemarm shade soul attack looks like those creatures in the abyss that suck you

[unkempt steeple]

Sure

[silver oak]

that is the esteemed conductor ballador

[unkempt steeple]

Oh true

[split lodge]

Isn’t bro dead by act 3

[barren dew]

I'm sorry Necromancer the Conductor Ballador mod

[rocky lotus]

abyss marm fight coming in dlc

confirmed

[verbal steeple]

act 1 mountfay is so easy idk why people complain about it

[barren dew]

What the hell is this

[verbal steeple]

silksong

[spark anchor]

gloomsacs

[barren dew]

What is HAPPENING

[rocky lotus]

ur right bro idk why ppl didnt do this its so easy😂 😂 😂

[spark anchor]

what if flukes were gloomsacs that devolved

like how dinosaurs turned into chickens or something like that

[verbal steeple]

what if

okay i forgor

[spark anchor]

you get what i mean right

[barren dew]

Did dinosaurs involve

[spark anchor]

yes

[barren dew]

Amazing

[spark anchor]

they involved.

[pastel lark]

who else was involved

[barren dew]

Astig gpt do you like dinosaurs

[verbal steeple]

i fucking love this

[barren dew]

Astig hates dinosaurs.....astig is problematic media....

[rocky lotus]

the bird punishment

[pastel lark]

that's teto

[barren dew]

I really love birds

[coarse leaf]

reaper soar ❤️

[untold dune]

i love you bench storage

[gusty igloo]

im so bored

[untold dune]

i knew e1331 was on the dev team..

[rocky lotus]

thank god

palestag is being erased from existence

[gusty igloo]

im stuck in a traffic jam

[silver oak]

label fakes thank you

[untold dune]

ugh they are the worst

[grim widget]

Teto

[verbal steeple]

the only time where reaper is good

[grim widget]

How do you even do bench storage

[grim widget]

Platforming:

Wait you could count this as platforming

[untold dune]

true team cherry must have intended this..

[keen solstice]

There's better options for platforming

Reaper is too slow

[coarse leaf]

step 1: get saved without sitting on a bench, usually after getting a new ability or crest
step 2: get to a bench
step 3: sit on it and trigger the animation but quit to main menu before the game saves
bench storage should be triggered now, you can change your tools and crests at any moment by opening the menu
you'll also get a heal from opening the menu
glitch ends if you sit on a bench normally

[gusty igloo]

meow

[raw pawn]

Idk if that's important at all but I found it kinda interesting that if you Dreamnail the statue in hallownest crown in HK it says "...Remember... Light..."

And playing the needolin next the dead undercrank above the exhaust organ makes it say "... Remember... Silence..."

[fossil socket]

Mmreow

[slender zealot]

Im going to defeat lost lace rn

[fossil socket]

GL

[raw pawn]

GL

[slender zealot]

I just saw

In hk update

Game pauses when inventory open yay

[fossil socket]

yippie

[woven spade]

Not if I have anything to do about it

[pulsar plank]

does it have to be beast crest, or any other crest works?

[stable narwhal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hollow-knight-hamood-sherma-dB2QGySTF2coFWr91z

[grim widget]

Hmm so it’s finite?

There’s no consisitient way to trigger saves without benches if you run out of abilities and crests to get right

[plain tundra]

Just best First Sinner

[lavish grove]

i am so sad rn my sea is full of sorrow

[fossil socket]

GG well done

[vivid raptor]

How do I trigger lost merchant 2?

[plain tundra]

First Sinner actually wasn’t too hard

[heady iron]

shermood sherbibi

[plain tundra]

I guess I’m finally starting to get good at the game

[copper hedge]

eyyyyy i did it. ive beaten widow lets goooooooo. (steelsoul)

i finally locked in and git gud

[broken seal]

holy shit i'm dumb LOL

i thought you had voltvessels equipped 😭😭

[copper hedge]

idk how to show that im in steelsoul when i was binding her so have this freed bellhart instead

[unkempt steeple]

After four full playthroughs I FINALLY BEAT ONE OF SETH'S RECORDS

[copper hedge]

bro imagine. that would be so cool... and OP

[broken seal]

😭🙏

[copper hedge]

ggs

[devout oracle]

welp, i made it to karmelita lol

(from a different save file)

[unkempt steeple]

Shaman the goat

[frozen meadow]

this look is so satifying

[unkempt steeple]

Now I have to beat hia records in dodge and juggle

[unkempt steeple]

Wow

[copper hedge]

ngl ive always wondered what this random ledge here was for

[undone gate]

Juggle is learnable Dodge is just insane

[unkempt steeple]

Dlcslop

[unkempt steeple]

True

[broken seal]

Future DLC content

[copper hedge]

zote's secret hideout

[frozen meadow]

it's fun tho

[mellow lava]

I think It’d be cool if the pantheon bosses were the original crest bearers

[coral sun]

Doin ur sub 20h 100% in steelsoul is some serious dedication

[broken seal]

that's A LOT if pantheons 😭😭

[coral sun]

Wayy too many lmao

[rocky jolt]

so youre asking for another beastfly fight

[mellow lava]

Yes

[copper hedge]

fuck i binded instead of sprint (on max health even)

[mellow lava]

WE can Handel it bro

[frozen meadow]

i actually did the last one too sub 20 but then continued farming to get the bellhome

[earnest drift]

I don’t think a single pilgrim or silk reaper would be a very impressive bossfight

[frozen meadow]

and grinded some stuff

[rapid sparrow]

I HATE GROAL

[earnest drift]

greyroot bossfight would go hard af

[rapid sparrow]

I HATE IT

[mellow lava]

Ok nvm

[earnest drift]

I want to beat the shit out of her stupid face

[coral sun]

I only got the bellhome n shit in my first 100% run and it was very fun gettin all the stuff and items

[frozen meadow]

spam ||cogs|| and ||curveclaws/threefold pins||

[rocky jolt]

neither would another fourth chorus

[rapid sparrow]

i dont have any shards and i dont want to farm

[frozen meadow]

u can buy some

[storm shard]

Nah a buffed fourth chorus would be sick

[earnest drift]

eh I wouldn’t mind an upgrade, fourth chorus was fun

[fallow frigate]

[rocky jolt]

i think the only appropiate fights would be shaman and beast

[earnest drift]

twisted child bossfight though

[rocky jolt]

dk if that would make sense

[frozen meadow]

oh btw does wanderer's crest deal too low damage or am i tweaking

[earnest drift]

at best performance, it has the second lowest dps out of all crests

[rocky lotus]

3rd beastfly fight...

[devout oracle]

hmmm... does the snared silk ending work when you did all the quests before fighting grand mother silk for the first time?

[earnest drift]

it did for me

[earnest drift]

savage beastfly isn’t the beast, the true beast is an even bigger creature that hornet binds the corpse of

[storm shard]

I have 50% completion and I’m 10 hours in is it over

[frozen meadow]

at my first playthrough it was my main and despite that i always felt bosses took so long with it

[rocky lotus]

it looks like a big ass beastfly to me idk

[frozen meadow]

then when i tried the hunter crest it was much faster

[devout oracle]

ok, ig optionally, you can replace weaver queen with snared silk

[verbal trench]

wanderer crest went to my house and blew up my computer wasting hundreds of hours of work so i think it's like a B tier

[devout oracle]

i'm gonna hate the courier's rasher delivery so much

[fallow frigate]

[quartz gulch]

If you can play hitless, any healing tool sucks. That is why there is no worst tool, just like there is no best tool, because ultimately it all depends on the individual anyway.

[hallow lintel]

Try clearing the path first before getting the rasher, make sure to not sit on any benches when doing so

[copper hedge]

i just trapped a pharlid diver into a wall lmao

[frozen meadow]

what if there was a special ending for when u let the caretaker set the trap and bind gms despite that

[storm shard]

It’s pretty easy if you just know the route

[exotic cedar]

Harder esp the bosses

[devout oracle]

i'll make sure not to hit any walls as well

wish the rasher has a hit limit instead of a timer

[frozen meadow]

that's the point of it

[quartz gulch]

-Clear out all enemies beforehand
-use flea brew and/or silkspeed anklets
-use a crest that you can platform with
-Don't sit on a bench (resets enemies)
-Plan out your route beforehand
-Additional tools that can help are:
•Weavelight (faster clawline)
•Compass (duh)

-If you get hit more than two times, you might as well restart

[stable narwhal]

genuinely it's not that bad. just make sure to use anklets and flea brew

[devout oracle]

on another one of my save files, i also need to do the flea games

[mellow lava]

Seamstress and pintress fight would go hard

[rapid sparrow]

groal IS FINNALY DEAD