sk-discussion

[night ruin]

Move???

[orchid moss]

Rain world emoji detected. I am heading rapidly towards your location /j

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[foggy fossil]

in this economy??
yea right

[quartz gulch]

Mad — Lace
Frail — Phantom
Pure — Lace & Phantom (literally pure silk)
One to wish our waking — Lace, though that is more of a presonal wish GMS has, it isn't guaranteed
A child born loyal — Lace & Phantom (they were loyal due to relying on her silk to live)

[tight viper]

Fourth Chorus

[graceful oyster]

Strings 1 ~ Anti Strings Party 2,018

[night ruin]

Just rob someone

[subtle rain]

I like the little up and down floaty enemies that dont attack in bilewater

[foggy fossil]

the "not drake" is frying me

[barren dew]

My stomach hurts oh my god

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/diem-diemarchive-roy-roy-the-demon-actually-gif-403829267916772146

[barren dew]

So much better than the original I don't remember who used it first here tho

[patent flower]

"not drake"

[foggy fossil]

wait you're lowkenuinly right

[steep jolt]

was ancient basin just the free trial???

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/roy-diem-giggle-let-it-ride-let-it-riide-gif-4442021346433046188

[tight viper]

Just because these lines CAN refer to Phantom, that does not mean they are INTENDED to refer to Phantom by GMS

[patent flower]

https://tenor.com/view/diemarchive-diem-roy-the-demon-pizza-doll-gif-14188614916932847746

[tight viper]

Phantom has no influence on this silk heart dialogue

[barren dew]

My stomach hurts it's not even funny I will cry

[karmic shard]

...

[tight viper]

If Phantom dropped a silk heart, the lines would almost certainly refer to phantom specifically

[barren dew]

Phantom isn't real

[tight viper]

If it were to refer to both, she would have used children instead of child

Tl;dr Lace is the subject of the Lace silk heart dialogue

[barren dew]

Why does it sound like he swears in 0:17

[grizzled turtle]

idk judges sometimes sound like they're saying "FUCKK OFFF"

[tight viper]

True, I don’t believe in no ghosts

[barren dew]

It's so funny why does it actually sound like that

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/phantom-silksong-stick-bug-gif-14166289805131049312

[subtle rain]

Last judge entrance is a vocal stim i cant get rid of, my brain automatically makes me say it every time I watch anyone start last judge

[barren dew]

Last judge is so pretty

[tight viper]

Can’t wait for this skin to be ready

[quartz gulch]

Silksong fans when you have to read.

[barren dew]

Will phantom be in Fortnite

[karmic shard]

sigh...

[barren dew]

More red circles please

[tight viper]

Indeed, this is my reaction to what you’re saying

[quartz gulch]

Please not in that slop game...

[barren dew]

?

[barren dew]

Ok how about fnaf 3

[quartz gulch]

This is the Phantom journal entry...

[karmic shard]

PFFT

[tight viper]

I’m aware

[quartz gulch]

Never heard of that.

[karmic shard]

moorwing spawned on the spikes

[barren dew]

Because....phantoms....

[karmic shard]

uh... somehow.

[tight viper]

I quoted the Phantom journal entry earlier

Or at least paraphrased

[barren dew]

Phantom freddy...get the joke?

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/diem-diemarchive-roy-roy-the-demon-wave-gif-13759242418812548423

[barren dew]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-emoji-crying-emoji-sad-gif-26990812

[quartz gulch]

Nope

[quartz gulch]

Freddy Mercury?

[subtle rain]

Im at the end of act 2, with literally nothing to do, should I leave behind who I was playing with (they still aren't even act 2 and we started at the same time)

[barren dew]

All fnaf characters in fnaf 3 are called phantoms (except springtrap)

[barren dew]

What the hell sure

[tight viper]

Any way you could duplicate the save so you could continue on your own in one and continue playing with them in the other?

[karmic shard]

sigh...

[quartz gulch]

Idk who that is either, just heard the name somewhere.

[karmic shard]

keep dying

[subtle rain]

I have my main save, a hitless save, my current save, and a steel soul save

[quartz gulch]

I wouldn't
Just git gud, duh

/j

[tight viper]

Oh wait you’ve done everything already, I’d personally wait and continue playing with them

[subtle rain]

Hitless save isnt done yet and main save is for testing and practice

[foggy fossil]

FUCK phantom foxy

[rich herald]

@barren dew

[limpid ridge]

I’m THREE GATORADES in because of how hard MOORWING is

[rich herald]

@tight viper

[barren dew]

@rich herald

[rich herald]

bon and frito

[tight viper]

Hello

[barren dew]

@tight viper

[plain bloom]

You resetting every time you get hit?

[subtle rain]

Accidentally did it first try once

[barren dew]

Hollow and Frito the whiteward citizen

[limpid ridge]

Gatorades means electrolytes which is a term used in Metal Gear Rising as a healing source

[rich herald]

im assuming its hitless bosses rather than glass soul

[subtle rain]

If im not full health when I enter a boss fight, yes

[plain bloom]

Oh hitless bosses only?

[subtle rain]

Bosses first, bigger challenges later

[quartz gulch]

@barren dew WOAH, that's NOT how you say that Gemini

[barren dew]

????

[tight viper]

Greetings

[quartz gulch]

Last sentence sounds....

[barren dew]

Who even thought it was a good idea to tell the ai this

[rich herald]

@tight viper the rando is looking to be amazing

[dusky bobcat]

what

[rich herald]

i have all movement, all dreamers, void heart in the hive, just need to get all grimmkin flames and do grimm stuff and get more charms/defeat remaining bosses

[barren dew]

It's not even true that guy kills children not whatever the hell is this 😭😭😭

[tight viper]

Sounds promising

[quartz gulch]

Reddit should not be used as a source google

[barren dew]

Also for Context in the game, you gotta play a balloon boy audio in the most far spot to get springtrap to follow it (he assumes it's children so he follows it to try and kill the child)

[tight viper]

Many charms and bosses remaining? Or just a handful

[rich herald]

about half the charms remaining

[barren dew]

This is canon btw

[rich herald]

idt very many bosses are left

[barren dew]

But Scott regrets making the book if I remember

[barren dew]

This was in a book not from the vr game

[night ruin]

Hitless bosses? I prefer boneless myself.

[tight viper]

Hope the number enters the single digits soon

[karmic shard]

okay..

[hazy bane]

Where is that?

[grizzled turtle]

silkposted

[hazy bane]

Is that a mod?

[dusky bobcat]

looks amazing tho

[lavish apex]

it is a mod

[hazy bane]

Ty

[exotic cedar]

This is silksong if it was good

[grizzled turtle]

silksong if the citadel was more like hallownest

[pallid plinth]

Citadel from rick and morty?

[grizzled turtle]

holy peak

i think they're even worse than pharloom's citadel though

[verbal steeple]

i did a cursed crest run as u can see by my name

i know how hard cursed is.

any honestly? not that hard. i mean sure. getting the highest % possible took me as long as my steel soul 100%.

but like. it wasn't THAT bad

the early bosses are pretty easy and by the time u reach the harder bosses u can get needle strike which helps ALOT

also clawline does a shitton

[steep jolt]

final silk skill??

[karmic shard]

phantom...

[verbal steeple]

that's not a silk skill.

or well not a combat one.

[steep jolt]

*movement

[karmic shard]

bell beast time..

[verbal steeple]

yeah. last movement skill

[karmic shard]

err

not bell beast.. probably

uh.

[verbal steeple]

y'know.

[steep jolt]

are somethings that couunt as % locked out after entering act 3?

[quartz gulch]

Use needolin.

[karmic shard]

thats worce than the bell beast.

[verbal steeple]

how would a randomizer add bell eater to a boss

[karmic shard]

worse*

[steep jolt]

are there any room randos yet

[quartz gulch]

No, you get percentage visuals in Act3.

[karmic shard]

no, i was doing the bell beast fight in act 1

[verbal steeple]

i know but like

i meant what would happen if like. moss mother got replaced with bell eater. how would that work

[steep jolt]

no i mean are there items and stuff that add towards % that arent obtainable in act 3

[verbal steeple]

u can't be locked out of stuff that counts as a %

[steep jolt]

because of the abyss

[steep jolt]

oh ok

[verbal steeple]

u can be locked out of stuff that DOESNT count as a %. i.e shakra boss fight

i'm not including garmond since u get locked out of him even in act 2 if u get all the melodies

[karmic shard]

bell eater appears outside the arena partially i think

[quartz gulch]

Nope. Anything shopkeeper related is with Grindr or Grindle if you want to call him that.

[quartz gulch]

For a second there is an animation, nothing more.

[karmic shard]

that was.. easy.

[lavish apex]

grindle would be
his name

grindr is something else i'm pretty sure

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/diemarchive-diem-shut-up-shhh-gif-14889614476200010522

[verbal steeple]

grindle can't be called grindr because grindle would never think about anything except rosaries

[lavish apex]

truth

[cunning bough]

exactly

[lavish apex]

he's about the grind but not in that way

[karmic shard]

stop about the grindle and grindr

[cunning bough]

what do you mean

[karmic shard]

his name is grinder

[lavish apex]

he's tryna make some fuckinnnnn MONEY

[stable pilot]

I have acquired Cuphead

[karmic shard]

right,,,

[stable pilot]

Still need to get all achievements on silksong

Steel heart my nightmare

[hearty wren]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-skarrsinger-wife-wife-karmelita-gif-13507769028557169095

[graceful oyster]

Why play Cuphead when MIO is right there?

[stable pilot]

Cuphead low-key looks more fun

[graceful oyster]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[oblique tapir]

I have lost 3. 3 Steel soul runs that i completed act 2 on.

[quartz gulch]

Gotta go now, bye! As always, don't silk your song!

(Which image is the best?)

[hearty wren]

Cuphead is too hard 🥀

[lavish apex]

if you just care about the acheivement it's easy

[karmic shard]

its obviously net

[hearty wren]

The grubbified collector

[lavish apex]

if you actually want to 100% the game without dying or quits then that's

rough
yeah

[stable pilot]

Nah I'm correct

[hearty wren]

I would ....

[quartz gulch]

Wait, I forgot to add Grosk.

[stable pilot]

I want to do the achievement the way I'm supposed to do

[karmic shard]

what if

[stable pilot]

But im save quitting in the beginning of act 3

[karmic shard]

nosk mimicked

[graceful oyster]

We kill people with hammers around here for saying stuff like that

[karmic shard]

the grub mimics

[hearty wren]

That's cursed af

[quartz gulch]

We should have gotten more mimics, also flea mimics and stuff like that. Even a pilby mimic if he dies in Bone Bottom, so you get confused.

[hearty wren]

I couldn't hold it gng

[karmic shard]

i think i have a pilby mimic

pilby died (i saw his corpse)

[graceful oyster]

Hold it next time

[karmic shard]

and he came back to life

[stable pilot]

A drop of hot oil spilled in my hand :(

[foggy fossil]

what's MIO

[quartz gulch]

Where? I don't mean a Nosk type btw, one that folds open. Really love Nosk and the Grub mimics though.

[stable pilot]

Hollow knight but easy

Jk jk I haven't played the game

[foggy fossil]

oh that game

[warped ledge]

Aridk

[hearty wren]

What is MIO

[foggy fossil]

is it even out yet

[warped ledge]

Idk

[hearty wren]

??

[stable pilot]

I'm not sure

[stable pilot]

FRENCH metroidvania

[quartz gulch]

Wait I fogot, I actually said I will go now. Because I need to sleep now.

[warped ledge]

Y'all ready for knollow hight

[foggy fossil]

Memories in Orbit

[stable pilot]

Gn

[viscid hedge]

Memories in orbit?

[graceful oyster]

New metroidvania that came out a little bit ago. I believe it to have a more captivating story/environment than either HK, and it is much more movement/platforming heavy. It's a blast. I can't describe it in justice.

[warped ledge]

Silk cong is coming out soon gurl

[viscid hedge]

I came here to discuss getting to act 3 yall distracted me

[warped ledge]

👍

[hearty wren]

Ahh that latest 25 game got it

[graceful oyster]

The level design in MIO is really amazing and the progression of the game is extremely satisfying

[viscid hedge]

W gamepass

[stable pilot]

What do you need

[graceful oyster]

Visuals and art are also fresh and spectacular

[lusty grove]

hot take: Silksong is a fun and enjoyable game

[viscid hedge]

Just fleas I think 🤔

[graceful oyster]

Anyway

[stable pilot]

Hot take: Cuphead looks better

[hearty wren]

Like is it like Celeste?

[stable pilot]

Have you found vog

[graceful oyster]

Personal preference but I think cuphead is way too busy at all times

[stable pilot]

It's not pixel art, it looks like Ori

[viscid hedge]

Vog?

[lusty grove]

hot take: the Hollow Knight series is good

[stable pilot]

Warrior flea

[viscid hedge]

The big ol fat one yes

[hearty wren]

Well I loved ori gotta play it to

Too*

[graceful oyster]

No, it has paint-like 2.5D environments

[stable pilot]

I love the old cartoons style

[viscid hedge]

Or is it actually a warrior one

[stable pilot]

Actually a warrior one

Located in ducts

[hearty wren]

Alrighty

[graceful oyster]

And it is a very clear metroidvania

[foggy fossil]

oh that looks cool

[graceful oyster]

Except it breaks the bounds of the genre in very well done ways

[stable pilot]

Like UT did with RPGs?

[hearty wren]

How many of y'all have played clair expedition??

[full rune]

looks pretty opaque to me

[stable pilot]

No money

[graceful oyster]

It's like the 3rd region of the game There's more where that came from

[steep jolt]

bro im deadass about to uninstall this stupid bitchass game because of the abyss parkour to deep docks

[stable pilot]

Hunter's march?

[hearty wren]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-gitgud-silksong-hollowknight-gif-11555526335271834339

[graceful oyster]

I don't know, UT looks crazy lame and I haven't played it

[stable pilot]

Oh mb I didn't read abyds

[stable pilot]

It's goated

[steep jolt]

what are you talking about

[hearty wren]

UT is the goat and DR too

[steep jolt]

should i use silkspeed amulets?

[graceful oyster]

So everybody says

[stable pilot]

Just silksoar

You can cheese a lot of it

[oblique tapir]

Epic spoiler moment!

[stable pilot]

You can spoil here

[graceful oyster]

The style of UT/DR looks like it would give me a headache and the premise of both games is beyond uninteresting

[hearty wren]

UT looks lame but trust me no would have ever known how they even grow love towards the game

[lavish apex]

they're allowed in this channel lol

[stable pilot]

What do you think the game is about

[graceful oyster]

At its core, humans and monsters and lameness

[brave geyser]

Can you use the pantheon mod in steel soul without the file getting fucked

[graceful oyster]

Feelings and sad stories and whatnot

[lavish apex]

that is insanely reductive

[graceful oyster]

I know

[verbal steeple]

how good is the silkshot 12th architect tool

[lavish apex]

not

[verbal steeple]

i don't want to do weaver silkshot in this playthrough

[hearty wren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hollow-knight-thk-pure-vessel-good-morning-hk-gif-1856772704670278325

[earnest drift]

second worst red tool in the game

[lavish apex]

it's bad

[verbal steeple]

i don't want to do weaver silkshot

[brave geyser]

Undemocratic dogshit

[stable pilot]

It's bad

[verbal steeple]

which silkshot is better between deepdocks and 12th architect

i'm not grabbing the weaver one.

[lavish apex]

then forge daughter

[earnest drift]

deep docks is better

[verbal steeple]

ight deep docks one it is

[graceful oyster]

Archishot and Pollip Pouch is probably the best combo in the game

[hearty wren]

Zero what's with the act 1 mount fay !!?

[verbal steeple]

did it

[earnest drift]

flintslate and pollip pouch

[lavish apex]

💀

[verbal steeple]

did the entirety of bilewater. the entirety of the slab aswell

[hearty wren]

Used sharp dark ?

[verbal steeple]

sharpdart yes

[earnest drift]

combining the best and worst tools to form…
absolute dogshit

due to the worst tool totally overriding the best one or smth idk

[lavish apex]

i like how it just makes slate objectively worse

[steep jolt]

ok

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hornet-hornet-hollow-knight-git-gud-cog-fly-gif-4609331479861715829

[earnest drift]

but having a flaming poison blade is so cool…

[earnest drift]

poison cogflies aren’t as amazing as people think either

[verbal steeple]

poison cogflies is good if u have one out at a time

[hearty wren]

Cog flies cogwork wheel racks and pollip pouch absolute destruction

[verbal steeple]

also purple cogflies look cooler than red imo

[earnest drift]

if you want a hollow purple, combine quick sling and voltvessels

[verbal steeple]

so L + ratio

[lavish apex]

the actual damage output of pouch is pitiful once you get to like gleaming needle power tier

[verbal steeple]

pollip pouch is probably only ever "useful" with like straight pin

[earnest drift]

you are never going to get use out of pollip pouch if you try to use all three of them

[lavish apex]

even on projectile tools which it objectively benefits

it's not really worth

by then

[earnest drift]

and forge daughter’s silkshot, threefold pin, throwing rings, curvesickle, conchcutter

outside of that it’s very meh

[verbal steeple]

wait. it's good with forge daughter silkshot?

[earnest drift]

actually it could be okay with Hornet’s silkshot

[tight viper]

forgeshot has a lot of shots

[verbal steeple]

probably because of the capcity right?

[earnest drift]

highest capacity in the game

[hearty wren]

That's why you use it with another crest when you can have a silk ability it makes it better and more useful

[verbal steeple]

btw how does poison flintslate work exactly?

[lavish apex]

i wish silkshot didn't cost shell shards

[verbal steeple]

i kinda wanna use pollip pouch but i'm using flintslate and forge daughter silkshot so like idk if i wanna use pollip pouch with flintslate

[hexed sigil]

I just saw someone trip and eat shit

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-night-witch-clapping-hands-gif-emote-gif-26425603

[tiny geyser]

I wish rosary cannon didnt cost roasaries

[earnest drift]

changes the dmg buff from +50% to +30% and it adds the poison effect on every hit, removes burning effect

[ripe geyser]

So searched the OGM the 7th mossberry lies in memorium.

[lavish apex]

or it was only like 1-2 per shell

[earnest drift]

wdym

[hearty wren]

Btw is rosary canon working fixed on pc

[verbal steeple]

actually i'm pretty sure u can pick up the rosaries from rosary cannon with magnetite brooch

[lavish apex]

because there is just no power justification for it costing silk

[tiny geyser]

Oh

[verbal steeple]

oh. so it makes it worse.

[verbal steeple]

don't quote me on that btw. idk

i just think that's how it works

[earnest drift]

worst synergy in the game

[hearty wren]

I mean pollip pouch with architect would only make you waste a lot other crests genuinely get more value

[graceful oyster]

Some of them

[icy crow]

?

[verbal steeple]

pollip pouch plasmium would beg to argue

pollip pouch plasmium is genuienly fucking stupid

[earnest drift]

oh ok that’s correct

[icy crow]

Team Cherry purposefully adding shit syngeries

[stable pilot]

Here's a fact most of you overlooked
The hollow knight (infected) is stronger than pure vessel

[hearty wren]

You couldn't load it on keyboard mouse

[earnest drift]

why

[icy crow]

Ah, wasn't aware of that bug

[graceful oyster]

Quite untrue

[stable pilot]

He is constantly holding back, if he purposefully accepted the infection, he would be extremely strong

[verbal steeple]

oh wait. i don't think forge daughter silkshot is that good man.

[earnest drift]

infection might make void beings weaker because hollow knight shadow creepers have less hp than Pharloom shadow creepers

[rocky lotus]

isnt the hk being controlled by the radiance tho

[verbal steeple]

i mean 26 capcity with 3 pouch upgrades but like it costs silk

[stable pilot]

*it

[lavish apex]

i mean honestly i don't think any silkshot is, hornet's has some utility because of the airstall and piercing but that's it lol

[stable pilot]

If it let her take control, it would be extremely strong

[verbal steeple]

here's a thing. those shadow creepers shouldn't be able to be infected

[verbal steeple]

they're mindless. why can they be fucking infected

[rocky lotus]

im pretty sure radiance was in full control

[hearty wren]

PV isn't good in pure nail fight they made a vessel lack nail skills

[stable pilot]

Then why was it stabbing itself

[hexed sigil]

How did the IPV even fly smh theres no the infection sucked up helium in an instant and then fly at a reasonable height for slamming

[steep jolt]

bro this is the first time ive ever raged at a game in my life

[rocky lotus]

i always thought it was the radiance trying to set itself free

[hexed sigil]

Real

[earnest drift]

only three nail attacks

[steep jolt]

thats so wrong 😭 its because the hk is using its last bits of sanity to help the knight

[hexed sigil]

That team cherry could think of*

[earnest drift]

also the other day I saw someone say “lost lace doesn’t have the same fine control over the void that pure vessel does”
…how many void attacks do you think pure vessel has

[lavish apex]

4 technically

[hearty wren]

One

[steep jolt]

1

[lavish apex]

it stabs the ground before the soul swords

[earnest drift]

people just take the knight’s abilities and apply them to pure vessel

[rocky lotus]

its been a while since i have done the normal hk endings

[brave geyser]

Lowk the healthbar mod might be a little useless for me now

[hearty wren]

Mechanically one

[steep jolt]

?

[brave geyser]

I like have the hit numbers memorized already

[verbal steeple]

do u think weavelight would be a solid tool when using forge daughter silkshot?

[earnest drift]

maybe?

[stable pilot]

Nah it's the hollow knight trying to set itself free

[verbal steeple]

since it has sooo much capacity u might aswell speed up silk regen

[hearty wren]

Lurienian don't you hate voltnest 🥀

[hexed sigil]

I'm sure it's both

[stable pilot]

The voltnest barbed soul incident

[brave geyser]

I already know how many hits each boss takes lmao

[brave geyser]

only because of the runback.
That one time i was a little too aggressive with voltvyrm

[hearty wren]

Yeah happened yesterday it was heartbreaking to see 🙈

[brave geyser]

I GOT HIT BY THE CEILING 💀

[stable pilot]

Radiance was already free

[verbal steeple]

lurienian? isn't that the mf who died against voltvyrm?

[lavish apex]

how do you die to voltvyrm man

[hexed sigil]

From these n

[verbal steeple]

imagine dying against voltvyrm lmao.

[brave geyser]

:<

[stable pilot]

She was doing what she wanted to do

[hearty wren]

Still it was indeed a " not a good path" you know

[verbal steeple]

lurienian even if you do your barbed soul run. this incident will cost you too much aura

[hexed sigil]

Very wunderbar

[verbal steeple]

u will never recover. UNLESS. u do a steel soul cursed crest run :3

[brave geyser]

sotrue

[stable pilot]

Totally not

[lavish apex]

its ok i lost a steel soul to broodmother

[brave geyser]

Well shit i can mod now but i don't think the crests mod is active

[verbal steeple]

lowkey i totally believe i could do a cursed crest steel soul run. after like. a few tries

[hearty wren]

Bro's on steel soul using barbed bracelet and playing on phone 😭

[lavish apex]

we all flop

[brave geyser]

I lost to a skull crawlie.

[lavish apex]

ouch

[verbal steeple]

btw i genuienly feel like cursed crest steel soul would be impossible

that high halls gauntlet took me 4 fucking hours to do on a normal cursed crest run

[brave geyser]

Very possible it's just high halls that's terrifying

[stable pilot]

I got hit by a skull brute, fell into fire floor, then died to a bone hopper

[verbal steeple]

i had garmond helping me

[brave geyser]

I healed on magma.

[verbal steeple]

like every boss took me like what? 20 mins at MOST to beat.

[brave geyser]

Beat that mf.

[stable pilot]

I didn't have silk

[verbal steeple]

THAT HIGH HALLS GAUNTLET TOOK 4 HOURS

[hearty wren]

It's crazy you beat raging conchfly with One hp and got bad ending on voltvyrm

[lavish apex]

i've also died to the beast shard marrow maw in the first room of the game on ss a few times

[verbal steeple]

look at the DIFFERENCE. 20 mins vs 4 Hours

[lavish apex]

which is comparable

[verbal steeple]

he flew too close to the sun

[stable pilot]

I genuinely thought the skull brute was just background

[verbal steeple]

or i suppose he flew too close to the voltvyrm

[brave geyser]

It took me like 4 tries but that's already because i had too much experience with high halls

[brave geyser]

I flew too close to the fucking ceiling

[verbal steeple]

bro's icarus if he had soft bones

[stable pilot]

I take more contact damage than attack damage on pure vessel

[hearty wren]

Perhaps it was a unexpected trap

[steep jolt]

FUCK THE ABYSS FUCK IT AND ITS FUCKING MOTHER WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THIS STUPID FUCKING PLACE WHY CANT THE FUCKING BELL ESCALATOR WORK WHY DO I HAVE TO DO THIS GOOFY FUCKING ASS PARKOUR BRO WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS FUCK AHUEHAUAHUHAUAHURHAURHURHRUHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I HATE THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[brave geyser]

Took me 2 hours to do hitless but that's still wayyy less Than reaper (4)

[verbal steeple]

sounds like you're pissed

[stable pilot]

Switch to wanderers

Also pass me the controller

[brave geyser]

Magma bell is right there vro

[steep jolt]

this is the first time im ever raged at a game bro

[hearty wren]

Wanderer for the win go ahead

[steep jolt]

im using wanderers and magma bell bro

[brave geyser]

ok ur fucked bro

[stable pilot]

Brother

How did you not rage in signs and gron

[lavish apex]

how did you even get to act 3

[hearty wren]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-king-k-rool-super-smash-bros-smash-ultimate-donkey-kong-gif-4494347616410645741

[steep jolt]

im deadass debating getting invincibility atp

[brave geyser]

Use clawline and ascendant's grip bro

[steep jolt]

cuz they are easy asf 😭😭

[stable pilot]

They are harder than the climb

[lusty grove]

against who?

[stable pilot]

The abyss climb

[lusty grove]

oh

[hearty wren]

Signis and gran is just a joke of a fight

[stable pilot]

Lmao

[lusty grove]

you mean the parkour section?

[stable pilot]

Yep

[stable pilot]

It's a very very fun fight

[brave geyser]

sigma and grok somehow are my top 5 hardest bosses oat
Even though i first tried them on my first playthrough.

[hearty wren]

There are so many silk soar skips in the climb

[lusty grove]

I beat it first try

[stable pilot]

Me too, I only took one hit

[brave geyser]

Like forget Karmelitta groal savage beastfly 2 lost lace and allat

SIGMA AND GROK

Of ALL things.

are my top 5 scariest steel soul bosses (normal)

[stable pilot]

Signis and gron is what oro and mato should've been

[hearty wren]

Gron pisses me off ngl

[lavish apex]

it's a duo fight with adds and everything does 2 masks it's not that easy

[stable pilot]

Magma bell makes them a joke

[lavish apex]

i mean yes you can put on wanderers and mash on signis with flintslate but if you don't do that then it can get stressful

[hearty wren]

Gron is much more annoying

[brave geyser]

yea no it does
Until grok decides to do grok backflip. Throws spear. And throws me into the lava by extension 🥀

[lavish apex]

bro is playing on android

[stable pilot]

Combo wombo

[brave geyser]

Nokia's strongest soldier ahh

[verbal steeple]

you dont realize how much i suffraged against these guys with cursed crest

[stable pilot]

I beat hk on android

[hearty wren]

Bro's plays on phone steel soul barbed bracelet say less ?

[crisp heron]

signis and gron is actually hard if you try killing gron before signis

[verbal steeple]

actually i had like 10 tries and then was like "actually i'm just gonna go do some other shit"

and then i came back and did them in 2 tries

[brave geyser]

TRUE
I think trying to speedrun phase 1 is what gets me everytime

[tight viper]

Signis and Gron is actually hard if you do it floorless

[hexed sigil]

Who's who and which is which

[hearty wren]

You did entire cursed crest run where did you suffer the most ?

[warped ledge]

@muted violet

[stable pilot]

Why would you do that? That's like killing oro before mato or idk

[hexed sigil]

No shit it's fking floorless

[brave geyser]

Isn't that just impossible

[verbal steeple]

high halls gauntlet

[warped ledge]

Accept my friend request ):

[crisp heron]

signis is the one that appears as soon as the fught starts gron is theone who appears later and jumps around

[verbal steeple]

at MOST the longest a boss fight took me was 20 MINS.

[stable pilot]

You can pogo on Signis to kill gron

[hexed sigil]

Yeah I don't remember anymore

[verbal steeple]

high halls gauntlet? TOOK ME 4 hours. literally the hardest part of a cursed crest run

[stable pilot]

Then kill Signis last

[crisp heron]

pgase 1 is so easy yet i still get his wayy too much

[hexed sigil]

Which one was the tall baddie

[tight viper]

On the contrary...

[verbal steeple]

also u cant get into act 3 with a cursed crest run

so like i can't include act 3 bosses into that equation.

i could install the pantheon mod and try out every boss with cursed crest tho

[tight viper]

Gron's the tall gray one

[brave geyser]

You evil son of a bitch /hj

[hexed sigil]

Ok

[stable pilot]

Is that the choir on the background?

[hearty wren]

In Gauntlet you almost certainly need to heal guess that's the thing to take 4 hours

[stable pilot]

Grr i don't have perms

[tight viper]

Fourth Chorus theme

[stable pilot]

Is that what plays in the fight normally?

[tight viper]

yeah

[verbal steeple]

the thing is

[brave geyser]

Still better than reaper

[stable pilot]

I played that fight silent because I was playing at like 5 am

[verbal steeple]

most of my deaths were against that phase where 2 of those cogfly summoning enemies show up

[night ruin]

I just shoved a nuke up my bellhome

[tight viper]

valid

[verbal steeple]

needing to somehow dodge SIX COGFLIES

[night ruin]

LEGALIZE NUCLEAR TOOLS

[stable pilot]

I hate playing sk silent ngl

[verbal steeple]

WITH CURSED CREST? NO CROSS STITCH? literally impossible

i had to abuse clawline to basically stay in the air forever and not touch the ground

[hearty wren]

I genuinely feel like the big dudes are the easiest in the gauntlet

[verbal steeple]

yup

i did the last phase first try

[stable pilot]

The combination is the hardest, the single one is the easiest

[verbal steeple]

those 2 big dudes are easier than the 2 cogfly summoning enemies

[brave geyser]

This is why witch needle strike is goated

[dull ermine]

is bro ranking them on how no skill they are lmao

[verbal steeple]

the needle strike can't be used against flying enemies effectively dumbass

[tight viper]

just don't stay in between them

[brave geyser]

It can

[verbal steeple]

the needle strike is pretty goated against grounded enemies tho

[hearty wren]

Sticking to a wall makes it pretty manageable

[verbal steeple]

not against short enemies

[stable pilot]

I don't, it's still hard

[lavish apex]

i don't think i've ever even seen witch needle strike

[stable pilot]

Cyclone slash with fewer steps

[tight viper]

cyclone slash but cooler

[verbal steeple]

the cursed/witch needle strike against groal IS goated

[stable pilot]

*Less cooler

[tight viper]

nah

[verbal steeple]

but like against a small enemy? i would rather reaper honestly

[tight viper]

witch cyclone has way more aura

[stable pilot]

Doesn't make the cool spinny sound

[tight viper]

looks really graceful and clean

[stable pilot]

And Oro doesn't teach it to you

[hearty wren]

The cursed crest pogo is waste against act 3 bossess

[brave geyser]

It can still
Not all of it. But a good enough chunk of damage

[stable pilot]

It's pinstress

[hearty wren]

Although you can't get to 3rd act

[tight viper]

Oro doesn't teach you cyclone

[brave geyser]

You didn't have hivesteel needle ya?

[stable pilot]

And we all hate pinstress

[verbal steeple]

normal nail striking would be better at that point

[fresh spire]

people used cross stitch-

[stable pilot]

Idk they look the same

!wiki oro

[brave geyser]

Not when they are still spawning

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Nailmaster_Oro

Hollow Knight Wiki

Nailmaster Oro

Nailmaster Oro is one of three Nailmasters in Hollow Knight. He teaches the Dash Slash Nail Art to those willing to pay him for his services. Oro also appears as a boss as part of the Godmaster content Brothers Oro & Mato dual fight.

Location

Kingdom's Edge

Affiliations

Nailmaster Mato (Brother)
Nailmaster Sheo (Brother)
Sly (Teacher)

Gender

Male

[verbal steeple]

i could only get 1 pale oil

[brave geyser]

yea no i can see that then

[verbal steeple]

the cursed crest doesn't let u into act 3. so no flea festival pale oil. and u can't get courier's rasher

so u can only get the pale oil from whispering vault

[brave geyser]

so weird thing is that the maestros are stubborn little bitches with hivesteel needle and most of the time will require 5 hits regardless what you do

[verbal steeple]

also not only does the game FORCE u into the twisted child enemy Even IF u did song and soul.

[hearty wren]

Bro which is harder courier rasher or liquid lacquer??

[fresh spire]

you disabled the clawmaidens already then I assume

[brave geyser]

Rasher

[verbal steeple]

pavo LITERALLY WONT GIVE U THE BELLHOME KEY UNLESS U HEAL YOURSELF

[tight viper]

lacquer doesn't have a time limit

[stable pilot]

Mod the game to get it

[brave geyser]

nah illegal

[verbal steeple]

nah

[hearty wren]

Doing lacquer in act 3 is totally torture

[verbal steeple]

i wanted to see how far u could get with just cursed crest being modded into th ebeginning

[fresh spire]

I need to attempt that at some point

(My dumbass did go to act 3 tho so)

[stable pilot]

Fair

[fresh spire]

The liquid lacquer one

[verbal steeple]

83-84% is the highest possible

[stable pilot]

Well you modded nectar in, or at least tried to

[brave geyser]

Between you and me i was actually excited to see if there was a crest mod on mobile

There isn't :(

[tight viper]

eh, it's not too bad

[verbal steeple]

that 1% is due to the website i use seemingly not counting one of my tool pouch upgrades but maybe the percentage IS counted but not the thing or hwatevr

[stable pilot]

It's probably easier

[hearty wren]

Does the twisted child ending gives you a new menu ???

[verbal steeple]

there doesn't seem to be a mod that SOLEY mods in cursed crest

[stable pilot]

Just clean your way before doing it

[fresh spire]

Yea

[verbal steeple]

there's a mod that lets u select which Crest u can start in the beginning

[brave geyser]

no i mean a crest mod in general

[verbal steeple]

that one lets u use cursed

[brave geyser]

That one isn't ported yet

[verbal steeple]

dang

[brave geyser]

I mean
I can just not heal right

[dull ermine]

obviously rasher

[hearty wren]

Trying yourself you shall endure how hard is it

[fresh spire]

I JUST HAD THE FUNNIEST IDEA EVER

[tight viper]

I've done it

[stable pilot]

Binding too

[night ruin]

Liquid lacquer fucked me up bad ngl

[tight viper]

ain't too bad

[hearty wren]

In act 3

[fresh spire]

so you know how you can use that mod to start with cursed

[stable pilot]

You can bind without healing

[night ruin]

I had an easier time with rasher idk what everyone’s talking about

[fresh spire]

What if you steel soul

[tight viper]

yes, that's what I meant

[dull ermine]

sarcasm exists

[night ruin]

That was NOT indicative 😭

[verbal steeple]

yeahhhh but cursed also limits the amount of silk u hold

[night ruin]

My bad I guess I’ll go eat c4

[verbal steeple]

and no silk skills and tools

[dull ermine]

it's pretty obvious that rashers is miles easier

[hearty wren]

Yeah when you reach mount fay that's the major checkpoint even without time limit it's really difficult

[night ruin]

Apparently not since dude was asking 😭

[brave geyser]

Man who cares tf am i using that on anyway

[stable pilot]

I think the amount of silk isn't that big of a deal

You won't be using it other than taunting and clawline

[brave geyser]

Idk mount fay seems to be the easiest part

[verbal steeple]

it can be if u use alot of clawlines. (which u SHOULD in a cursed crest run)

[fresh spire]

If you have faydown cloak you're kinda set

Cos like not much can damage you there

[hearty wren]

Idk I guess it's skill issue on this side

[dull ermine]

reapers is mediocre in platforming, literally every crest has an amazing pogo besides beast/architects. (these are busted in combat unlike reaper) if you want one that's good for platforming go hunters.

[verbal steeple]

clawline can refund silk but not always if you're not good enough

[night ruin]

Has anyone done naked Hornet 100% yet

[stable pilot]

But it refunds silk

[lusty grove]

just no hit Clover Dancers

[fresh spire]

that's a thing-

[brave geyser]

naked grandma reference

[stable pilot]

Gg

[lusty grove]

this game's easy

[dull ermine]

is this even possible what

[fresh spire]

gms getting beat to death by a naked woman

[night ruin]

Save editing go brrr

It’s basically 0 nail right?

[dull ermine]

and no tools

[stable pilot]

It's worse than old needle

[hearty wren]

Really though i dashed two times into the wall just on the mask maker hut and doing it in act 3 is so damn dude

[stable pilot]

No silk skills too

[brave geyser]

Nail -1

[night ruin]

People do toolless all the time

[dull ermine]

I'd rather have 1 dmg needle than 0 tools

[night ruin]

Someone should try it. Sounds fun

[stable pilot]

Trust me, you don't

[brave geyser]

Shit range

[night ruin]

Or not. I’m not a word.

[brave geyser]

can't pogo spikes

[night ruin]

Wouldn’t be a challenge if it was easy

[dull ermine]

I've started a steel soul playthrough and red tools are hilariously broken

[stable pilot]

Is it worse than hunters

[brave geyser]

[hearty wren]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-archer-queen-crown-raise-queen-of-the-archers-gif-23631538

[dull ermine]

i barely even use my needle any more when I can destroy everything with quicksling

[fresh spire]

but with cursed crest as well

steel soul mode

ultimate difficulty

[brave geyser]

You are using your feet and hands ffs what do you think.

[stable pilot]

It's still a great challenge if it is easy

[lusty grove]

can anyone used to the Pantheon of Pharloom mod explain? I didn't even fight Garmond in this save file

[earnest drift]

logically shouldn't hornet keep the evolved hunter's focus even on cloakless crest

[hearty wren]

No tools hitless LL with witch crest

[stable pilot]

Not sleeping in ez gameplay is a challenge

[lusty grove]

wait the important part was cut

[dull ermine]

it shows up anyways what

[lusty grove]

well, I clicked on lost garmond and it sent me to regular garmond

[night ruin]

So what I’m hearing is naked 100% is possible

[brave geyser]

Probably just a visual bug

[dull ermine]

do you have needolin

[brave geyser]

100% completion not so much

[night ruin]

I’m not sure

[night ruin]

How come?

[dull ermine]

you don't even have clawline so I doubt it

[brave geyser]

Literally one thing:
How tf are you getting tacks.

[stable pilot]

No needle?

[tight viper]

were you fighting any other bosses with 2 options before this?

[hearty wren]

It appears out of nowhere I got it too on my file in which i didn't faced him

[dull ermine]

silksong is a lot harder to sequence break since the cocoon is a lot less flexible than the shade

[night ruin]

Idk

[stable pilot]

You can kill roaches
Now how tf are you reaching the guys

[brave geyser]

Exactly

[lavish night]

Which is better
||Grand mother silk or the hollow knight||

[night ruin]

Wdym

[stable pilot]

Btw you Don't have double jump

[lusty grove]

oh. Ok then

[brave geyser]

You remember the path to benjin and crull right

[hearty wren]

Don't need to use spoiler bracks in here

[lusty grove]

free Garmond

[brave geyser]

Normally you have to pogo all the way over

[stable pilot]

Hornet's double jump is part of her dress

[brave geyser]

Now try to do that with your feet dumbass

[night ruin]

I thought people managed to beat Silksong without mount fay

[earnest drift]

as a boss, the hollow knight
as a character, grand mother silk

[hearty wren]

Yeah looked upon reddit it's a bug

[brave geyser]

Gms cuz she faster to kill

[stable pilot]

How tf are you fighting groal

[brave geyser]

You said 100% completion.

[unkempt steeple]

I kinda wish needle strikes were released the next time you tapped the attack button rather than having to hold it even after full charge cuz it's the main reason why I don't like using them (on controller it's really awkward to keep holding it)

[night ruin]

Very carefully

[lusty grove]

weird.
Well, free Garmond :]

[dull ermine]

if you're not counting the snaresetter pogo tech then no

[night ruin]

Ok let’s switch it to Max%

[stable pilot]

Actually
How are you even reaching groal

[brave geyser]

yeaaaaaaaa probably gonna be pretty mediocre

[stable pilot]

You don't have tools

[brave geyser]

cuz there are alot of things you can't get without:
Clawline
Double jump
Drifter's cloak
Pogo

[stable pilot]

Spike pogo, specifically

You can still pogo on blobs and stuff

[compact hamlet]

Silksong DLC Leak!!!!!!
When you go into a new hidden shop, an iconic character will say his famous catchphrase, “Patamas Geo”!!!!!!!

[night ruin]

But have we tried it

I’m seeing a lot of quitter talk

[stable pilot]

Patomas Sheo

[compact hamlet]

I swear he’s saying Geo because hes a shopkeeper

[unkempt steeple]

Can we kill him

[brave geyser]

No but then again you are missing very major upgrades which do give access to alot of %

[night ruin]

Silksong’s code vs the indomitable human spirit

[stable pilot]

Could work

[lusty grove]

damn Garmond's easy

[compact hamlet]

The great nailsage is unstoppable

[brave geyser]

untrue

[night ruin]

Can’t we get around most of this with exploits

[brave geyser]

oh if we are allowing major glitches most likely

[dull ermine]

probably easier than moss mother

[stable pilot]

No major glitches

[night ruin]

Why not

[stable pilot]

Because we are not dirty cheaters

[brave geyser]

I meannnn
Clawless hk is major glitches & downpatch :3

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-jumped-hiding-corner-scared-gif-4468558268348829246

[stable pilot]

Clawless is boring

[dull ermine]

no it's possible nmg just with one downpatch

[lusty grove]

damn I can beat him in like, 20 seconds

[unkempt steeple]

Lowkey none of the town vendors in silksong compare to him, jubilana is the closest cuz you gotta rescue her too and she has somewhat charismatic dialogue but even she's pretty unremarkeble and forgettable

[brave geyser]

Oh wait i forgor that yea

[stable pilot]

Okay now fr, you can't even beat bell beast with cloakless

[brave geyser]

How come

[stable pilot]

You can't free her

[fresh oracle]

lowkey do we have to censor hollow knight spoilers here

[brave geyser]

Oh wait fuck

[unkempt steeple]

I used to think she and the pilgrim outpost vendor were the same person

[stable pilot]

No

I'm curious actually

!wiki bell beast

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Bell_Beast

Hollow Knight Wiki

Bell Beast

The Bell Beast is a main boss and NPC in Hollow Knight: Silksong. Her liberation allows Hornet to use her as transport across Pharloom.

Location

The Marrow, Bellways

​

Combat Values

Health

150

Damage Modifiers

1    1    1    1    1

Reward

Fast travel via Bellways
Silk Heart

Journal Kills

1

​

Miscellaneous

Gender

Female

Theme

Bell Beast

Singing

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/File:Bell_Beast_Sing.ogg

[stable pilot]

Ah okay I thought the wiki got her gender wrong

[brave geyser]

Anyway the pantheon mod buffed hp a little too much on some bosses

[compact hamlet]

Shakra’s singing is lowkey kind of annoying while Cornifiers humble humming is a sound of comfort

[brave geyser]

Why tf does lace 1 have 1050

[unkempt steeple]

That one I gotta disagree

[stable pilot]

Oh Yay I got embeds back

[lusty grove]

Garmond in 20 seconds

[brave geyser]

I like singing along to both

[unkempt steeple]

I prefer shakra much more than cornifer cuz he's kinda just a map guy, the only interesting about him is that his wife was apperantly a warrior in the past

[compact hamlet]

Okay but Cornifer is happily married which means he pulls and Shakra doesnt

[unkempt steeple]

Shakra pulled me

[stable pilot]

It's the other way around

[stable pilot]

Shakra is pretty much a celibate

[dull ermine]

people have beaten karmelita <10 seconds lol

[compact hamlet]

Iselda loves her nerdy husband

[brave geyser]

okay i wouldn't call cornifer's humming annoying

[lusty grove]

nah, both are cool

[brave geyser]

the volt vessels

[dull ermine]

if you want to speedrun him spam voltevessels while circleting

should take <5 seconds

[brave geyser]

Truth beauty and hatred is still top 1 osts

Also do you lose your steel soul save when dying in the pantheon of pharloom

[stable pilot]

Ptsd

[stable pilot]

I differ to beg

[brave geyser]

Get off my assphalt 😭

[brave geyser]

both
Both are good

[lusty grove]

Cornifer: the goat, best humming ever, great prices, pulled a 10/10 warrior, mapped everywhere except White Palace cuz he physically can't
Shakra: the goat, POSHANKA, great prices, is a 10/10 warrior, mapped everywhere except the Citadel cuz she's too busy saving Bellhart

[stable pilot]

Neither
Neither are good

[compact hamlet]

This ost is a fucking nightmare with all the “WEH!”s

Tall Zote is atrocious.

[brave geyser]

Tall zote is really fucking hilarious

I fucking love team cherry

[lusty grove]

sure thing, will do it... later

[stable pilot]

True

Tall Zote is so fucking goofy

[brave geyser]

I genuinenly shat myself laughing the first time i saw bro

And istg i was giggling for the next 30 minutes

[lusty grove]

does this answer the Cornifer vs Shakra discussion?

[compact hamlet]

Eternal Ordeal is flat out awful and I love it. I love the implication that The Knight carved the statue himself

[unkempt steeple]

In my opinion:
Elderbug>Flick/Pavo
Sly>Pebb/Frey/Jubilana
Corfiner/Iselda<Shakra
Idk who else to consider counterparts exept for maybe zote and Garmond

[stable pilot]

She didn't map the citadel because it's not her interest

[brave geyser]

Godseekers didn't want zote so zote forced his way in 🙏

[lusty grove]

nah, Zote is Grindle

[stable pilot]

Zote and garmond are not alike at all

[lusty grove]

annoying character that you have to save but then regret cuz he's annoying

[unkempt steeple]

Oh
Nailsmith>Pinnley
Lemm>Scrounge

[stable pilot]

Gms and radiance

[unkempt steeple]

Gms>>>>

[stable pilot]

Eva and salubra

[lusty grove]

nah, Eva ain't Salub- no wait she is wtf

[stable pilot]

=

ANCIENT ENEMY

I DO NOT FEAR YOU

THE LIGHT CANNOT BE CONSUMED

[unkempt steeple]

This one's hard lowkey bc lorewise eva is very interesting but personality wise salubra is way better

[stable pilot]

Gms has more dialogue

But I prefer radiances dialogue

Even though it's like only a few lines

KILL IT
KILL THE EMPTY ONE

[stable pilot]

True

Also, bell beast or old stag?

[unkempt steeple]

Radience has beef with an 8 year old that's an eldrich god sometimes

Old stag>>>>

Bell beast doesn't hit the same until the bell eater scene

[stable pilot]

Bell beast has a boss theme so it's equal

[noble sable]

bell beast's theme is heavily underrated

[stable pilot]

This slaps

[lusty grove]

The Knight - Hornet
Hornet - Lace
Quirrel - Garmond
Cornifer - Shakra
Sly - Jubilana
Zote - Grindle
Eva - Salubra
Broken Vessel - The Unravelled
Dung Defender - Second Sentinel
Radiance - Grand Mother Silk
Pale King - The Weavers
White Lady - Caretaker
Last Stag - Bell Beast

[unkempt steeple]

True bell beast being a mandatory boss instead of just, being found and having to pay roseries gives it extra points

[lusty grove]

am I missing anyone

[lusty grove]

it's not mandatory, you can just not fight her

[stable pilot]

Pale king doesn't have a correlation

[noble sable]

there's a handful of osts that are overlooked

[stable pilot]

Last judge

High halls

[noble sable]

Especially the ambience of putrified ducts and wormways

[lusty grove]

I mean, "the guy responsible for why everything sucks" is present in Silksong

[stable pilot]

But it's inconvenient

[lusty grove]

the Conductors/Weavers

[stable pilot]

Pk isn't resposible

[unkempt steeple]

Knight<Hornet
Hornet<Lace

[noble sable]

blasted steps

[stable pilot]

Not as badly as the weavers and conductors

Pk was not direct

[lusty grove]

dude
there's an entire fucking abyss of reasons as to why he's responsible

also he haunts the narrative the same way the Weavers do

[noble sable]

pale king literally tried saving his kingdom from the thing that killed it

[stable pilot]

Who tf would've guessed the moths would betray the radiance

[unkempt steeple]

I didn't really care for hornet in hk

[lusty grove]

who's Silksong's Hollow Knight?

[unkempt steeple]

I think hornet herself is better in silksong (she's the protagonist so ofc) while lace does hornet's role in hk better (rival to the player)

[lusty grove]

there is no "The SilkSong" character

[stable pilot]

THK? In what sense

[stable pilot]

There's widow

[noble sable]

Lace COULD fall into that category in a way

[stable pilot]

Kind of

[lusty grove]

the character that fits the same role as The Hollow Knight

[noble sable]

but not entirely

[stable pilot]

The fake final boss?

[worldly umbra]

can yall do this form please https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScSX9P3__AI5AxUmMQ2WAvJKMbfCX8n8uqSy4lo8LveTn1Ofg/viewform?usp=preview

[lusty grove]

I feel like she's more of a Traitor Lord (lore-wise) or Broken Vessel (gameplay-wise)

[unkempt steeple]

Lost Lace is a foil to the hollow knight as in you a fight a character similair to you after the big bad unlike hk where you fight thk before radience

[lusty grove]

no wait she's just Broken Vessel wtf

[tiny marlin]

the silksong is phantom because shes made of SILK and plays a SONG on the organ

[lusty grove]

Widow is SS's Broken Vessel

[haughty marsh]

I have been mentioned…

[noble sable]

I'm more referring to her fight before GMS

[stable pilot]

Widow and broken vessel are not similar in gameplay

[unkempt steeple]

Wouldn't broken vessel be phantom

[noble sable]

that seems accurate

[stable pilot]

Ttue

Also check this

[lusty grove]

broken character that guards the middle of the first half (or third) of the game and works for the big bad even thou she's supposed to be against the big bad

[rocky jolt]

realizing second sentinel is a hollow knight before you put the heart on it

[unkempt steeple]

Prime phantom rematch like lost kin?

[noble sable]

two crits in a row god damn

[haughty marsh]

No, lost kin is free, phantom would actually be difficult, maybe.

[stable pilot]

BV does not guard the middle of the third of the game

[lusty grove]

Phantom is... uh... gameplay-wise, there's no character in HK like Phantom

[unkempt steeple]

True

[stable pilot]

.4% chance

[haughty marsh]

I wish lost kin was much more difficult.

[lusty grove]

I said half or third

[unkempt steeple]

If a phantom rematch is harder it'd be a foil to broken vessel/lost kin bc I struggled alot with broken vessel but then did lost kin in two tries lol

[stable pilot]

Not even middle of the first half

Broken vessel is also completely optional

[lusty grove]

it kinda is ngl

[stable pilot]

Widow is required

[haughty marsh]

Crazy how the harder version is easier

[noble sable]

if shaman crest wasn't so slow I would be sold

[lusty grove]

yeah, if you use skips that the average player will never figure out

[worldly umbra]

as expected a lot of hunters and wanderers

[lusty grove]

1 Beast? damn

[worldly umbra]

wait wrong image

[lusty grove]

also 1 Architect

[stable pilot]

Nah watcher knights skip is intuitive

[worldly umbra]

updated version

[haughty marsh]

I’d rather beat them to death.

[noble sable]

it's not for casual players I can tell you that

[worthy lintel]

Can't believe Team Cherry had 2 bosses attack towns, they're running out of ideas

[stable pilot]

The skip to get to them

[lusty grove]

I mostly use Wanderer, but I try to switch up my Crests every once in a while

[unkempt steeple]

Beast is arguebly the crest that requires the most learning due to how weird it is at first sight

[lusty grove]

do you want help killing it?

[noble sable]

that shit requires quite a lot of skill

[stable pilot]

Just the pogo

[unkempt steeple]

PAVOO

[noble sable]

it's good for flea juggle though

[stable pilot]

And the pogo is the single hardest thing to master

[noble sable]

helped me beat seth's score

[worldly umbra]

pavo shot dead in the bronx

[worthy lintel]

First the Savage Beastfly kills Sherma and now this

What's next, a Skull Tyrant attacks Bone Bottom?

[stable pilot]

What advantage does beast have

[lusty grove]

uh... I got bad news lil buddy

[noble sable]

PAVO NOOOOO

[unkempt steeple]

They should make the brooding maw attack dirthmouth

[noble sable]

it hits the fleas without you having to up slash

[stable pilot]

Iselda is there, brooding mawlek would be stupid to do that

Iselda and sly are there actually

[unkempt steeple]

Speaking of
Forgotten crossroads>>>>>> the marrow

[lusty grove]

Bone Bottom, Bellhart, and Songclave get all the love, but Halfway Home and Pilgrim's Rest are also cool

[unkempt steeple]

Elderbug is safe without us

[stable pilot]

I mean, upslashing is not hard

[noble sable]

not in the context of flea juggle

[worldly umbra]

someone make a mod where savage beastfly or sum annoying follows you throughout the entire game (follows you in every room) kinda like the roaring knight follows you everywhere mod in deltarune

[stable pilot]

And tiso potentially

[lusty grove]

oh, and also Fleatopia

[worthy lintel]

Oh my god

[noble sable]

halfway home has criege

[dull ermine]

beast in flea juggle is optimal, shaman in flea bounce

[lusty grove]

holy shit it's [title card]

[stable pilot]

Tiso definitely isn't weak

[stable pilot]

I use wanderers in flea bounce

It's fun af

[lusty grove]

what about him?

[noble sable]

same

[unkempt steeple]

If silksong adds a collosuem equivelent they better add a wandering npc like tiso that's rude as fuck to you exept we get to see him die in the collosuem this time

[vivid knot]

where is my save data located?

[noble sable]

I like Criege

[dull ermine]

you can use any crest but shaman is 100% the best and it ain't even close (flea bounce)

[noble sable]

He's chill

[stable pilot]

Tiso is not that rude

[vivid knot]

tryna do stuff with mods but i dont wanna risk my original file

[noble sable]

the down pogo in wanderer's is way smoother than reaper's

[stable pilot]

It's the only one that doesn't have a delay
Shaman too but I don't like shaman pogo

[noble sable]

also reaper's down pogo shoots you downwards a bit which can be bad in boss fights

[dull ermine]

shaman is just better since it's range is like 2.5x longer than wanderer, and it gives you so much leeway.

[stable pilot]

Also why do people say down pogo

[dull ermine]

reapers pogo is actually pretty bad since it has a funky delay, although it's easy to hit

[stable pilot]

It's still more fun to use at least for me

[unkempt steeple]

A fool memento would've made way more sence than the grey memento

[noble sable]

idk I'm just used to it

[stable pilot]

Range was never a problem for me in both games

[dull ermine]

pov down downslash

[noble sable]

once again same

I don't think I've ever used things like grubberfly elegy or mark of pride in the first game

hell I don't even use longclaw in silksong for wanderer's crest

[unkempt steeple]

Same

[stable pilot]

Volt filament, egg of flealia and long claw is my build

There are no other good blues

And I dislike sawtooth

[noble sable]

I use volt filament, injector band, and multibind typically

[unkempt steeple]

It's weird when I hear people say they love mark of pride cuz it's like, I can't even tell the difference really

[noble sable]

this build got me to beat raging conchfly on first try

[lusty grove]

please answer this quick forms. It's for science.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe1s-hfn-JIyYHJwCc38qC0kM51fjBUh1fJ03cgoy_T9HU5fA/viewform?usp=publish-editor

[old raft]

i use injector bind weaver light and longclaw/sawtooth

[stable pilot]

I use barbed bracelet, belt, silk speed and dice

[unkempt steeple]

Barbed bracelet

[stable pilot]

Done

[stable pilot]

Need to beat the allegations

[lusty grove]

thx for participating

[last dew]

this is fryihn me

[stable pilot]

Np

[noble sable]

because you can automatically kill the smaller conchflies with volt filament and thread storm

also conchflies are one of the worst enemies in the game they're worse than driznits and driznargas

[unkempt steeple]

It'd be cool if mantis village turned into a town after you beat the mantis lords rather than just being a normal area full of passive enemies

[stable pilot]

Agree'nt

[lusty grove]

very diverse, as you can see

[stable pilot]

Clawmaidens exist

[noble sable]

I genuinely don't get nearly as much trouble with driznits like people say they do

[foggy fossil]

i think I'd go with Dirtmouth
tough choice tho

[unkempt steeple]

I hate clawmaidens so much

[foggy fossil]

im crying
i said tuff

[noble sable]

they're so bad the game literally gives you an option to get rid of them entirely

[lusty grove]

anyone else? please? I need more data

[stable pilot]

Salubra zote if he could appear anywhere

[rocky lotus]

Not when you kill them all

[noble sable]

Hate those guys

[lusty grove]

don't they only appear in like 3 rooms?

[noble sable]

they make funny noises tho

[stable pilot]

The mere fact they exist already makes them horrible

[unkempt steeple]

They can appear like, everywhere in the cidadel I think

[lusty grove]

damn, Dirtmouth really is a fan favorite

[stable pilot]

One of these rooms is literally the hardest room in the game

[noble sable]

no they have like a chance of appearing alongside any enemies in choral chambers iirc

[bitter briar]

Yes lowk

[stable pilot]

Lost lace is a close second

[unkempt steeple]

Elderbug best girl

[unkempt steeple]

Idk how people do high halls with them still active

[stable pilot]

I did both my high halls like that

[lusty grove]

ok but this just can't be true, I need more data

[noble sable]

I still can't do the high halls gauntlet without help from an npc

[lusty grove]

this is still up btw.
please.

[stable pilot]

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