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[storm dagger]

Good question, it's so badly paced, I don't want to spend half my time dodging or fighting other enemies

[lusty grove]

Last Judge when I attempt to survive in any way that involves anything other than mindless prayer: 😡

[glad ingot]

wait were the pilgrims collateral or were they murderers too

[winter moss]

there ARE reminants of code for this, but it doesnt actually work in game

[stable pilot]

Without holding a weapon

[glad ingot]

ik

[winter moss]

no probably not

[stable pilot]

That's how she was raised

[candid kayak]

guilty of the sin of loitering

[glad ingot]

it's the lore probably

[leaden orchid]

that was planned, but since you need to kill widow and moss mother it was scrapped. moss mother was meant to be skippable if you dont break and of the cocoon egg things

[glad ingot]

i see

[lusty grove]

Crawfather is a way better judge than Last Judge

[stable pilot]

You dont kill widow

[leaden orchid]

he had a good reason

[glad ingot]

true

[stable pilot]

You bind widow

Binding ≠ killing
Look at eva

[glad ingot]

widow dies for sure

[glad ingot]

eva is different

[lusty grove]

Crawfather: you're guilty of destroying the entire world as we know it
Last Judge: you're guilty of attempted survival

[stable pilot]

It's like dream nailing a ghost in hk

[winter moss]

…after beating her to death

[stable pilot]

Still not dead

[glad ingot]

not quite

[winter moss]

binding ≠ killing but you kill her first

[leaden orchid]

i think stabbing her with a needle through the neck and binding her power until she is fully absorbed into you counts as murder

[glad ingot]

but she died

[stable pilot]

More like forcefully absorbed

[glad ingot]

widow is dead.

[stable pilot]

Did she die though

[spark anchor]

Binding weavers is like using the dreamnail on spirits

[glad ingot]

yes

[stable pilot]

I don't think widow is dead

[lusty grove]

judge, I did not kill that Weaver, I merely took her life

[leaden orchid]

dawg she is DEAD

[stable pilot]

She's alive bro

[spark anchor]

Took her life into MY body

[storm dagger]

I wish I could bind to people to gain their abilities

[glad ingot]

where is she

[winter moss]

”officer i didnt kill her i just beat her brutally and then absorbed her soul”

[stable pilot]

In hornet

[winter moss]

kirby

[spark anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003935536211296277/1457489652205224077/gonesherma-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[glad ingot]

where does she manifest

[leaden orchid]

sherma no

[stable pilot]

Needolin

[storm dagger]

That's not the fun method

[torn token]

No hitted LL with reaper! :D

[stable pilot]

Still not killing

[glad ingot]

are you saying that the crest people are alive

[storm dagger]

They may as well be dead

[glad ingot]

the people you bound crests from

[lusty grove]

in any case, beating up a homeless shellless silkless Weaver is still a sin

[glad ingot]

they're dead

[lusty grove]

they were already dead to begin with

[stable pilot]

They aren't weavers

[glad ingot]

widow is also dead

[spark anchor]

Last Judge speech bubble image macro

[glad ingot]

neither is eva, not fully at least

again, eva is different

[stable pilot]

First sinner isn't dead too

[lusty grove]

there should be a doc explaining what is and isn't a sin to the Citadel

[stable pilot]

And if you tell me first sinner isnt a weaver I'ma crash out

[winter moss]

even IF we didnt kill her

[lusty grove]

that would help me figure out the safest way to the Citadel

[winter moss]

we still sinned prolly

[lusty grove]

we literally fight her ghost

[stable pilot]

Holding a weapon is

[stable pilot]

She literally can't die lmao, she was PROHIBITED from dying

[lusty grove]

she died, we fight her in her shrine

[coarse leaf]

I thought the exact same, but there's multiple in-game hints that she's dead but we fight some memory of her

[lusty grove]

it's a memory, that's why it doesn't count as a death when we die to her

[leaden orchid]

all weavers are dead except that one in hallownest, first sinner is a memory boss, all the weavers you bind and dead and waiting for their lingering strength to be bound

[lusty grove]

Widow:

[leaden orchid]

widow is dead

[coarse leaf]

@stable pilot exhibit a:

[stable pilot]

Then how do you enter her memory

[lusty grove]

no she isn't

[regal isle]

post-silksong

[lusty grove]

I don't think they meant that, but yeah

[regal isle]

more accurately, post act 3

[leaden orchid]

what do you call sticking a needle in her neck and binding her strength away

[spark anchor]

The first sinner tests you if you’re worthy of rune rage

[lusty grove]

ok, so you mean post-Silksong

[stable pilot]

Yeah but how you enter her memory without elegy of the deep

[spark anchor]

Weaver connections i guess

[lusty grove]

you enter her memory when you try to bind her

[leaden orchid]

idk were attuned to weavers

[coarse leaf]

@stable pilot exhibit b:

[lusty grove]

idk how it works, but it works

[stable pilot]

Enough proof for me

[stable pilot]

But how thought

[winter moss]

because the cage she’s in is cool like that

[lusty grove]

idk it just works
Weaver magic ig

[stable pilot]

Fair

[lusty grove]

a Weaver did it

[stable pilot]

We should have an explanation for everything

[coarse leaf]

@stable pilot exhibit c: You cannot die for real against First Sinner, one of the few fights where you can't lose a steel soul save on

[stable pilot]

I'm slowly becoming patmat

[stable pilot]

I said enough

[coarse leaf]

The others being friendly duels and elegy of the deep memories

[leaden orchid]

hornet is herrah

[stable pilot]

Exhibit b id enough

[stable pilot]

I just don't understand how you enter her memory

[leaden orchid]

some weaver connection or smth idk

[regal isle]

you bind her corpse, which drags you into a memory sequence

or some other weaver magic, shes a strong weaver

[stable pilot]

I think she has a lot of will?

[winter moss]

weaver magic

[lusty grove]

by binding her
when you try to bind Widow, you also get pulled into a memory

[regal isle]

considering she was "one of the first" to bind runes as a weaver

[coarse leaf]

binding weavers seems to do that ig

[leaden orchid]

do we know what weaver first sinner is

[winter moss]

prolyl something with runes

[stable pilot]

You do get memories from binding

[quartz roost]

she is dead, you fight her in a burial spire, which is the thing you bind weavers at aka dead weavers

[coarse leaf]

binding widow puts you into a memory too

[lusty grove]

Widow shows a memory after you bind her

[regal isle]

she also has unique weaver burial dialogue

[stable pilot]

Yeah I know that's what I'm saying

So binding corpses = accessing their memories

[lusty grove]

oh, I misread it as a question

[quartz roost]

binding is taking their soul, so you get at least some memorys

[winter moss]

wait we do know that binding weavers / weaver stuff (silk hearts / those totem things you get powers from) has the power to put you in a memory

[lusty grove]

only sometimes, and with Weavers (only certain Weavers thou)

[stable pilot]

First sinner = strong will so she materializes

[leaden orchid]

totems?

[stable pilot]

Crests

Abilities

[winter moss]

idk what to call them

[lusty grove]

Crests don't show memories

[regal isle]

burial spires

[lusty grove]

they only give abilities

[stable pilot]

Those are all memory related

[leaden orchid]

the dead weaver statue things??

[winter moss]

ye

[quartz roost]

is the question how do we get the abiltys from binding?

[lusty grove]

Crests are an imprint upon one's soul, not a memory

[leaden orchid]

we bind their strength

[stable pilot]

Wdym

[coarse leaf]

it just works
even the shamans get jealous of hornet being able to do that

[winter moss]

same way we get crests: binding their soul / imprint

[quartz roost]

if you're talking about what you bind to get the power a weaver had it's called a burial spire

[lusty grove]

ask Eva
but Crests aren't memories

[leaden orchid]

is having a fakeout death and going into a rampage something all weavers do or just fs and widow

[winter moss]

thanks yea thats what i meant

[quartz roost]

we bind their soul

[stable pilot]

So how come MEMORY lockets expand crests

[regal isle]

all weavers prolly

[lusty grove]

GMS does it too, so it's probably a family thing

[quartz roost]

ok, i just wasn't sure what you meant to ask

[undone cedar]

ok

[stable pilot]

Gms isn't a weaver

[lament blade]

widow gotta be my fav boss so far (i think thats their name)

[stable pilot]

I think she taught her daughters that

[lusty grove]

but she created the Weavers

[undone cedar]

grim is tho

[leaden orchid]

do we reckon sea of sorrow will have act 3 exclusive stuff like how wormways became plasmified

[lusty grove]

?

[leaden orchid]

cause its all about lifeblood

[quartz roost]

GMS makes weavers

[stable pilot]

Grimm is a weaver? Grimm is likely a moth

[lusty grove]

or a bat

since crows are valid, bats are too

[stark valve]

Grimm remind me of a bat

[stable pilot]

.

[leaden orchid]

grimm is a bat thing

i think hes a vampire moth or smth?

[quartz roost]

weavers are only female

[undone cedar]

grim does that crawling thing and was created to keep a higher being asleep. just like the weavers

[stable pilot]

Those are CRAWS, CORBISCOS/CORVOS, not crows/corvos

[storm dagger]

True, considering he can turn into bats

[leaden orchid]

no?? hes the manifestation of the nightmare heart which keeps it alive

[lusty grove]

yeah but he's not a Weaver, he's the avatar of a Higher Being

[stable pilot]

Ik

[quartz roost]

and grimm is male

[stable pilot]

It's a vampire moth

[undone cedar]

? its possible he was created by rad, but i dont think so. he is all about evil essence not normal essence

[stable pilot]

Check the message I replied to

[lusty grove]

it's just another name for crow

[stable pilot]

It's not

[leaden orchid]

talking jst to talk bro😭 grimm was NOT made by radiance he was made from the essence of the nightmare heart

[stable pilot]

Crawbugs aren't crows

[undone cedar]

which is in his dreams. grimm is kept asleep. the parallel is still there

[lusty grove]

if it looks like a crow, speaks like a crow, and acts like a crow, it's a crow

[coarse leaf]

caw-rrect

[undone cedar]

? isnt that what a weaver is

[stable pilot]

Then if a therian does the same
Are they an animal?

Bad comparison

[lusty grove]

he's the avatar of the Nightmare Heart
probably a moth, but like an evil fucked up moth instead of a fluffy moth
he could also be a bat

[leaden orchid]

weavers are pharlids ascended by gms silk

[quartz roost]

my bad

[lusty grove]

shitty comparison ngl

[stable pilot]

No shit

[lusty grove]

no ofc not wtf

[quartz roost]

what are you talking about? are you talking about crawbugs?

[lusty grove]

Weavers are Pharlids ascended by GMS

[undone cedar]

dude he has the same headshape as hornet

[tepid mist]

Guys Pinstress is void

[quartz roost]

it's not

[lusty grove]

yup

[leaden orchid]

so what

[stable pilot]

I think its a moth because of his ability to do stuff in dream realm

[coarse leaf]

finally someone with some grey matter on their skull

[tepid mist]

seamstress is also void

[leaden orchid]

what about the dead one in bilewater

[stable pilot]

What do you mean grey matter
Ashes? Phantom's silk?

[tepid mist]

Nah

[undone cedar]

hornet = weaver
hornet ≈ grim
grim ≈ weaver

[quartz roost]

heard of a mask? also hornet is half weaver

[tepid mist]

skull tyrant is void

[lusty grove]

not that much alike ngl

[glad ingot]

false, widow was alive until you killed her, same with first sinner
both die after the fight
anw bye yall, have a good day

[winter moss]

and by extension lesbian

[glad ingot]

imma go eat

[tepid mist]

Grimm looks like Bendy

[undone cedar]

well that's just the angle

[lusty grove]

no ofc not

[stable pilot]

What would hornet look mask less

[toxic holly]

Does anyone know when Sea of Sorrow is coming out

[stable pilot]

And the knight too

[tepid mist]

shade

[stable pilot]

Shade cloak, literally

[lusty grove]

Grimm is not a Weaver, Grimm is the avatar of the Nightmare Heart

[lament blade]

what do memory lockets even do 😭

[tepid mist]

Tomorrow

[lusty grove]

dead

[storm dagger]

Crest space

[stable pilot]

They locket your memory

[spare fractal]

hi neatp!

[undone cedar]

hi patoo 🩷

[lusty grove]

it's not a mask, it's a shell

[toxic holly]

Is this truth you got proof

[dusky bobcat]

dont give them any ideas for nightmare weaver grimm

[tepid mist]

Unlock slots for ur crest (hold down the jump key on the grey empty spots in ur crest)

[undone cedar]

well how come hornet is a weaver

[tepid mist]

Tomorrow

[leaden orchid]

yeah and theyre dead now arent they

[stable pilot]

Then why is her hp called mask

[undone cedar]

clearly she proves that appearance is not what defines what a weaver is

[storm dagger]

What are we doing here? Proof tables

[lusty grove]

Hornet is a half Weaver cuz she's the daughter of a Weaver

[stable pilot]

Also the knight too

[toxic holly]

Where’s your proof

[spare fractal]

how are you doing?

[lusty grove]

cuz she's wearing masks on top of her shell

[tepid mist]

Right here

[leaden orchid]

hes not a spider, weavers are only female

[dusky bobcat]

Correlation does not equal causation

[undone cedar]

psh. herrah doesn't look like a weaver anyways

[stable pilot]

How did hornet get born though? I thought weavers couldn't have offspring

Maybe pale beings can do that?

[quartz roost]

hornet = weaver/wyrm
grimm = nightmare heart

[undone cedar]

grimm can be a transmasc king how would you know

[magic rampart]

They could have offsprings just not with their own race

[leaden orchid]

radiance and gms are the same thing because they both caused a mind altering infection

[tepid mist]

the pale kings seed is too strong

[magic rampart]

Because they were all females

[lusty grove]

but she is a Weaver, that's a fact
and even if Hornet wasn't a Weaver, that still doesn't make Grimm a Weaver

[undone cedar]

everything is alright

[dusky bobcat]

i think its mentioned in the lore hornet was very lucky to be born

[lusty grove]

and their heads are so big it'd hurt more than hell

[stable pilot]

Uhhh
There's no male weavers

[magic rampart]

Sob

[coarse leaf]

fun fact grimm is more closely related to the vessels

[magic rampart]

Exactly

[leaden orchid]

what how

[lusty grove]

Grimmchild is half Vessel

[undone cedar]

the game doesnt need to explicitly say when a creature is or isnt a weaver to be a weaver

you can just use your eyes sometimes

[stable pilot]

And if they could have offspring with other races, then why did they not do it?

[coarse leaf]

whatever grimm is is designed to contain the nightmare heart

[leaden orchid]

thats like saying if youre white and adopted by an asian person youre asian, grimmchild is just raised by the knight

[lusty grove]

my eyes tell me that Grimm is a fire-casting moth born from the flames of the Nightmare Heart and has no relation with Pharlids or GMS

[magic rampart]

It's never really stated ngl, we only have assumptions

[undone cedar]

he looks nothing like seer

[magic rampart]

Some did I guess, but it was rare, maybe due to pride

[stable pilot]

I think it's pretty clear they didn't have offspring in pharloom

[quartz roost]

it says he's from a diffrent realm

[lusty grove]

he looks nothing like the Weavers either
also he's a different kind of moth (or maybe a bat)

[coarse leaf]

the nightmare realm ofc

[leaden orchid]

weavers cant reproduce because gms didnt want more weavers and there to be an uprising so its extremely painful, herrah prob went through hell just to have hornet

[magic rampart]

Gms wasn't only calling hornet to the nest, its said that there were other weaver offspring

[chrome canopy]

Question
when does this game get difficult

[magic rampart]

That was also brought, hence the rest of the cages

[quartz roost]

which one?

[leaden orchid]

like at bell beast

[rocky jolt]

they are saying grimm is a weaver

[undone cedar]

really? im pretty sure the weavers are from some sort of weird realm too. the only time you see the mofos is in those silky white cutscene realm places

[chrome canopy]

Silksong
wdym which one we're in the silksong channel

[stable pilot]

But then again
Lore tablets in the cradle say
"Weaver x gets captured"
"One eight of a weaver or something"

[magic rampart]

So weavers did have offspring, herrah was probably just the only weaver we know in hallownest who could have one

[coarse leaf]

this game for babies you should move to a tougher game while you can

[quartz roost]

buddy they are from pharloom

[stable pilot]

That implies they do have offspring

[lusty grove]

Weavers are from Pharloom, Grimm is from the Nightmare Realm

[fiery burrow]

Lets not get hasty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS7QUnsghxE

[magic rampart]

We still have yet to know rest of the kingdoms, weavers likely fled there aswell

[lusty grove]

Hornet is not Grimm and Grimm is not a Weaver

[leaden orchid]

delvers drill tool IS grimm??

[magic rampart]

Yeah, the cradle all but confirms that there was other offsprings

[tepid mist]

I dont remember the knight and grimm doing the deed

[fiery burrow]

Did u even watch the video

[undone cedar]

? just because they show up in pharloom doesn't mean anything. grimm shows up in hallownest too

[rocky jolt]

have you ever seen hornet and grimm in the same room

[stable pilot]

Ss lore is getting complicated

[lusty grove]

no cuz I don't need to, it's a simple fact

[storm dagger]

We need that one map in the weavenest to have named routes

[leaden orchid]

how did you skip the 30 minute vesselxgrimm scene

[lusty grove]

Grimm is nothing like the Weavers, and Hornet is nothing like Grimm

[magic rampart]

It's not very complicated, alot of it is simply left to interpretation

[chrome canopy]

Help I beat Lace 2, First Sinner, and whoever the chef guy in sinner's road's is all on my second attempts
Mount Fay was easy and Bilewater is a cool area

[undone cedar]

again, the only time we see them is in the silk realm

[magic rampart]

Maybe we'll get this with dlc (I hope)

[quartz roost]

GMS lives in pharmloom GMS makes weavers, it is also said that weavers come from pharloom

[storm dagger]

Which is sometimes a good thing and sometimes a bad thing

[magic rampart]

More lore on the overall world building of the world would be awesome

[tepid mist]

I must’ve been playing the 4kids version

[stable pilot]

Reapers crest is extremely similar to Grimm though

[fiery burrow]

That's just downright close-minded

[leaden orchid]

bilewater is only hard because of muckmaggots and because of groal

[storm dagger]

Me too, would be very cool

[grim widget]

Lugoli buttcheeks

[magic rampart]

I'd say most of the time it's a good thing, having more discussions is a plus imo

[leaden orchid]

hornets base crest isnt reaper though is it

[lusty grove]

GRIMM IS THE AVATAR OF THE NIGHTMARE HEART, WEAVERS ARE PHARLIDS ASCENDED BY GMS, THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE (, Sashimi said calmly)

[tepid mist]

Lugoli buttcheeks is the strongest void attack

[storm dagger]

I agree, but I like concrete answers sometimes

[grim widget]

Running attack

[magic rampart]

Fair

[stable pilot]

Maybe the reaper was part of the grimm troupe?
That's my theory

[leaden orchid]

lugoli is void squared in act 3

[undone cedar]

ok and the weavers are representatives of grandma silk

[tepid mist]

yes

[chrome canopy]

Groal runback/gauntlet was the only hard thing there
the water is avoidable

[lusty grove]

no they're not, they're their own thing

[tepid mist]

Lugoli gets black kaioken in act 3

[quartz roost]

hornet takes the soul of a bug to get reaper crest

[stable pilot]

It gets hard on a certain act 3 boss

[leaden orchid]

cant wait for sea of sorrow so i can go through bilewater again

[magic rampart]

Don't fall for the ragebait cuh🥹

[lusty grove]

and Grimm isn't just representative of the Nightmare Heart, he is the avatar of the Nightmare Heart
not an ascended bug, not a son, the avatar

[stable pilot]

||Shrine Guardian Seth||

[magic rampart]

What they are saying genuinely makes no sense, it's likely ragebait

[leaden orchid]

theres no act 3 bosses in bilewater

[lusty grove]

ok

[stable pilot]

You didn't read it entirely
I followed up with another thing

[undone cedar]

source?

[lament blade]

is it worth to buy the rosary necklace

[stable pilot]

They asked "when the game gets hard"

[leaden orchid]

depends on if you die a lot

[tepid mist]

Did u miss the boss in act 3 bilewater?? Plasmified Voided Groal the Addict

[lusty grove]

get the fuck out of this server and come back when you played the game

[leaden orchid]

oh mb

[stable pilot]

Only if you have a skill issue retrieving your cocoon

[chrome canopy]

I hope it does

[storm dagger]

Maybe, depends on if you die too much

[lament blade]

i dont die that much

[lusty grove]

it's 20 less rosaries, but you don't lose it when you die

[quartz roost]

sorry, their is just quite a lot of space in between your messages

[burnt stirrup]

then no

[storm dagger]

You should be good then

[stable pilot]

||Shrine Guardian Seth|| is a very hard boss, but a lot of people beat him fairly quickly

[stable pilot]

Slow mode destroying me

[fiery burrow]

You only lose out on 20 rosaries and its much safer, I'd do it for the first or second playthrough and then maybe stop once you are comfortable with very few deaths

[regal isle]

we all love him

[tepid mist]

i saw someone say on youtube the mantis lords solo pharloom because they survived a fight with the knight🥀🥀

[quartz roost]

by the way this channal allows spoilers

[undone cedar]

girlie i have 1,400 hours and all achievements in hollow knight and 110 hours in silksong. i think i'd know my stuff

[regal isle]

they infact DO

[tepid mist]

They dont

[magic rampart]

^^^^ should have the comfort of them for the first runs

[stable pilot]

Imo harder than Karmelita

[tepid mist]

Skarr tribe victim

[stable pilot]

I know, I don't wanna spoil the guy though

[lusty grove]

you don't know your stuff, go gain some common sense and the ability to understand a story beyond simple visual similarities

[burnt stirrup]

then did bro skip all the dialog?

[undone cedar]

oh wait you're a he him. sorry. *dude

[lusty grove]

I'm a he they, but I don't really care

[fiery burrow]

I have 2000 hours in this franchise and I also think Grimm could qualify as a weaver idk what y'all are on about

[quartz roost]

so far you have show us you know very little about the lore

[magic rampart]

I have 3k and I agree with this

[tepid mist]

”im a hollow knight fan, i cant process information”

[undone cedar]

well i could tell you about how the city of tears was inspired by venice but that's irrelevant isnt it

[magic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585365240229658658/1458637757952954530/65ceed8df4007c13c6f4242b9d01ef51b2ce61c83c70e52cbd272cb5ba47486c.gif

[quartz roost]

oh, ok. for the person, this channl is a great way to get spoiled

[hexed ingot]

quick suggestion touch grass

[burnt stirrup]

why cant we just accept others headcannons

[timid plinth]

2000 hours spent on shit

[devout phoenix]

damn why is every vc in the gulag rn

[fiery burrow]

I don't really like Hollow Knight I'm too old for it tbh so this doesn't really apply to me

[lusty grove]

girl got all possible answers

[tepid mist]

2000 spent in the marrow

[stable pilot]

I don't wanna spoil

[storm dagger]

Because some just don't make sense

[lament blade]

Dry

[lusty grove]

it's actually inspired by a manga

[undone cedar]

define grass

[hexed ingot]

nah grimms actually a vessel

[burnt stirrup]

whats that?

[stable pilot]

"Lace is made of grass" ahh type of headcannon

[magic rampart]

Sometimes it's so funny to joke about having headcannons like grimm as a weaver

[devout phoenix]

everyone got sent to the shadow realm fr

[hexed ingot]

that green shit on the ground outside

[lusty grove]

green plants that come from the ground and are less than 1 inch tall

[quartz roost]

it is irrelevant

[lusty grove]

YES, MOSS IS A GRASS NOW

[hexed ingot]

clover would also work

[magic rampart]

Ultimate ragebait technique I'm crine

[undone cedar]

dude there is only one city in the world with boats and rivers in the middle of it

[hexed ingot]

and algae

[magic rampart]

Your really comping out on this I'd applaud you

[stable pilot]

My back yard has what then?

[lament blade]

nah grimm is actually sherma

[hexed ingot]

new york ?

[rocky jolt]

dude just look at his body under his cloak that is not what a weaver looks like he looks more like crawfather

[stable pilot]

It's like 120cm grass

[tepid mist]

did you know that the city of tears is just London

[lusty grove]

City of Tears is inspired by a manga, and maybe also Venice

[stable pilot]

So its not grass?

[fiery burrow]

He shapeshifts frequently how do you know that's his true form

[undone cedar]

new york is a state 💔

[storm dagger]

I'll do you one better, gms is made of lava

[hexed ingot]

its a city too

[undone cedar]

so is venice??

[stable pilot]

"Hornet is actually the radiance"
"Sans is ness"

[lusty grove]

and ignoring the thematic similarities to focus on the surface level visual ones is something very characteristic of you

[rocky jolt]

yeah and weavers shapeshift

[quartz roost]

i get that, i just don't think about it in this channal since you shouldn't really be here unless you've beaten the game/ don't care about spoilers

[lament blade]

widow is void

[hexed ingot]

is venice the stuff you put on toast

[undone cedar]

dont you mental profile me. im very complex

[burnt stirrup]

"fih"

[tepid mist]

why are Indie Game fandoms so ass

[fiery burrow]

You get mee

[hexed ingot]

knight is silk

[storm dagger]

"Plasmium is actually my mother"

[hexed ingot]

your mom's a drug damn

[lusty grove]

your interpretations sure aren't

[undone cedar]

they do tho. grama silk transform them from pharlid to weaver which is shapeshifting

[stable pilot]

AAA game fandoms are too

[lament blade]

hornet is actually made of plaster and tea

[fiery burrow]

frr I've never met an annoying Mario or Zelda fan

[tepid mist]

spider-man community is chill

[lusty grove]

I mean...
Knight is two thirds Pale, Pale is Soul, and Silk is also Soul

[undone cedar]

no i use vegemite

[stable pilot]

You take one example

[fiery burrow]

Only like Dark Souls tbh and Dark Souls is an honorary indie game

[storm dagger]

Happens

[hexed ingot]

the dragon ball guy ???

[chrome canopy]

When is Pablo releasing

[hexed ingot]

yesterdya

[lament blade]

thats vegeta

[stable pilot]

Most epic games's games

[undone cedar]

because they have a high queer player base. wait... you're homophobic...

[tepid mist]

Just saying that ive never found a non brain rotted indie game fandom

[lusty grove]

you mean the fruit?

[magic rampart]

Nawh you gotta include every hero shooter and fps game aswell

[fiery burrow]

I didn't know epic games had a fandom tbh

[tepid mist]

How the hell am i homophobic

[undone cedar]

close, that's vetata

[hexed ingot]

so like carrots and apples

[stable pilot]

Hk is pretty chill

[lament blade]

Vegemite

[storm dagger]

If there's a fandom, there's atleast some group of Bastards in there

[lusty grove]

isn't that a pokemon?

[tepid mist]

Can get wild in this server

[stable pilot]

Discord itself has a high queer user base

[lament blade]

Vegemite

[stable pilot]

Not indie games

[fiery burrow]

Where are the annoying Call of Duty fans at they're all just like middle aged dads 💔

[stable pilot]

Agree

[undone cedar]

dont like indie games fan base
indie game fans are queer
you must not like queer people (homophobic)

[magic rampart]

The dads are chill, it's mostly the 14-18 year olds who try to shit on the dads

[stable pilot]

But it's not that bad

[lusty grove]

ngl, indie games do have a high queer user base
Undertale, Celeste, Hollow Knight...

[tepid mist]

You make me want to leave this server with how stupid this is

[stable pilot]

Water is blue
Blueberries are blue
Waters are blueberries

[lament blade]

hornet is NOT void

[undone cedar]

yes... internalize everything i say... get mad

[stable pilot]

But why though

[magic rampart]

Even beyond discord most indie games have a very high concentrated queer playerbase, lowk pretty obvious in how the games are talked about

[lusty grove]

this is like saying I don't like bread cuz I don't like pancakes and pancakes are made of the same wheat as bread

[stable pilot]

Maybe it's because they attract younger players

[magic rampart]

You are top 5 ragebaiters I know this is genuinely insane

[fiery burrow]

Well all of those games feature queer characters so that kinda tracks but tbh Celeste is doing most of the heavy lifting there

[tepid mist]

Hornet was birthed by plasmium and mantis lords guys you are all wrong

[tepid mist]

Smsmsmss

[lament blade]

top 3 best ragebaiters of history

[tepid mist]

sisjsjsidjsishsiahdkd

[lusty grove]

indie games are more likely to include queer characters (probably due to the fact they don't have to be marketable), and queer people like queer characters

[fiery burrow]

this new user kinda goated at ragebaiting tbh

[stable pilot]

And most queer people are young?

[lusty grove]

not exactly true

[magic rampart]

Rs

[stable pilot]

There's not many queer characters in hk

[strange comet]

Flea dodge is harder than lost lace

[stable pilot]

There's like nail smith and green prince

[graceful oyster]

I am not queer but I enjoy indie games because they're very artistic

[fiery burrow]

HK has 7 queer characters across both games which is pretty cool

[stable pilot]

And their respective partners

[lusty grove]

Ze'mer, all Vessels being non-binary

[graceful oyster]

Very appreciable

[tepid mist]

guys silksong is too easy Bell beast was no where near Pantheon 5

[hexed sigil]

what does queet mean

queer

[fiery burrow]

Anyway regarding indie fandoms I think they're just more likely to attract contrarians tbh

[graceful oyster]

Weird

Unless you mean the new age definition

[lusty grove]

most of the time, a member of the LGBTQIA+ community

[stable pilot]

Is non binary queer though? Imagine you are born genderless

[tepid mist]

they’re non binary because they were born that way

[fiery burrow]

LGBT and adjacent identities

[hexed sigil]

i see

[lusty grove]

it also used to mean "weird"
not anymore thou

[stable pilot]

Me too but I enjoy because they offer way more for their price compared to triple a games

[fiery burrow]

Vessels aren't really traditional queer rep yeah

[lusty grove]

it is

[lusty grove]

so is every other queer person, what's your point

[fiery burrow]

TC seems to have gotten mixed up on sex and gender somewhere along the way which like whatever

[stable pilot]

But it's not a choice

[lusty grove]

neither is being queer

[spark anchor]

They don’t go by they/them because they’re nonbinary, but because they are a hive mind

The shade lord

[graceful oyster]

Well no, it definitely does still mean weird

[stable pilot]

That's a choice

[graceful oyster]

Definitions don't just get erased

[weary hatch]

Context matters, why be obtuse on purpose

[fiery burrow]

Unborn fetuses don't develop gender its pretty bizarre to label them as queer because of that

[lusty grove]

no it isn't
being gay is not a choice, being trans is not a choice, being aroace is not a choice, being anything is not a choice

[weary hatch]

Fuck no

[stable pilot]

I don't think you get born attracted to the same gender

[graceful oyster]

Context does matter, and that's why you can use the word both ways

[tepid mist]

guys how do i nicely reject a girl

[lusty grove]

language evolves over time

[magic rampart]

You do, it's just how your brain developes

[median radish]

Say no

[graceful oyster]

Exactly

[tepid mist]

”guys, it wasnt my choice to become a terrori-“

[stable pilot]

What's the reason to?

[lusty grove]

say "I am not attracted to you"

[graceful oyster]

Chat got crazy real fast wowza

[stable pilot]

That's way too direct

[tepid mist]

A girl keeps flirting witg me

[lusty grove]

you know that's not what I meant

[graceful oyster]

Let's go back to talking about language

[lusty grove]

being honest is the best thing you can do

[stable pilot]

What's the level of relationship?

[magic rampart]

Back ton talking about how grimm is secretly a weaver

[tepid mist]

We’re just friends

[lusty grove]

say you're not interested, or that you're not confortable with her flirting with you

[magic rampart]

Yes WEEE ALLLLL believe this

[stable pilot]

What level of

[fiery burrow]

Y'all ever think about how the hk-disc linguistics copypastas are over a year old 💔

[iron spear]

Eat them like leg eaters fate

[graceful oyster]

Graig real

[tepid mist]

We’re pretty close

[stable pilot]

Hmmmmm

[lusty grove]

tell her that you're not confortable with her flirting with you and that you're not interested in a romantic relationship with her

[stable pilot]

Rejecting her might end the friendship

[lusty grove]

be honest

[tepid mist]

I dont wanna break her heart too badly tho🤔

[versed pollen]

no

[stable pilot]

You just don't like her? Or are there any other reasons

[lusty grove]

if you lie to her, you'll break her heart even more

[tepid mist]

Lots of reasons

[stable pilot]

I think this is too generic, sometimes people want to reject for different reasons

[iron spear]

Tell her your gay, and then keep up the act for 20 years of friendship

[stable pilot]

Like not being old enough to date

[versed pollen]

That is a good point

[median radish]

I was just thinking that

[tepid mist]

how can i be a gay muslim

[lusty grove]

I assume those are the reasons
there could be others thou, and it's important that he's honest about them

[stable pilot]

Name the main reason

[versed pollen]

I can always trust you to bring up the best ideas Graig

[stable pilot]

That's the most important thing

[lusty grove]

by being both gay and muslim

[median radish]

Oh
That would be a problem

[stable pilot]

That's technically impossible

[magic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/tamamo-cross-blehh-meme-uma-musume-gif-12349673870420706486

[median radish]

Ok so don’t do that

[stable pilot]

You can't be one and the other at the same time

[hexed sigil]

doenst that violate

[tepid mist]

I dont feel like saying it here

[versed pollen]

People can be whatever they want

I'm a fish

[lusty grove]

anything is possible, and telling people that their identity is invalid because of their religion or vice-versa is kind of a dick move

[versed pollen]

gg!

[graceful oyster]

Hiccups be upon ye

[stable pilot]

Is it related to her personality?

[lusty grove]

cool

[median radish]

It is literally in the laws of Islam

[stable pilot]

Some religions don't allow it

[iron spear]

You could start by buying me dinner ❤️

[versed pollen]

I should blow you up with very seriously dangerous explosives

[tepid mist]

Ok bro

[unkempt steeple]

Can you swim to the sea of sorrow and tell us spoilers

[graceful oyster]

I eat explosions

[versed pollen]

Graig aren't you married isn't this disloyal

[tepid mist]

Kinda

[unkempt steeple]

Dude where is the sea of sorrow trailer I'M GOING INSANE

[lusty grove]

it's also in the laws of christianism that having sex before marriage is not cool, and yet there are lots of christians doing it, and no one gives a damn

[iron spear]

Bros before wives amirite boiz????

[versed pollen]

Oh hell no

[bitter briar]

What is the context

[median radish]

Not true christians then

[graceful oyster]

I mean, God. God gives a damn

[lusty grove]

dick move from the religions

[tepid mist]

Im kinda religious

[lusty grove]

that's the No True Scotsman fallacy

[bitter briar]

I open sk discussion and I see Ts

[stable pilot]

Then it's best to say are simply not interested romantically in her
If you say you don't like her personality, she will try changing her personality, which is not good for a relationship

[tepid mist]

why are you just straight up disrespecting religions now

[lusty grove]

are you gay? cuz if you're not, none of this matters

[tepid mist]

No im not gay

[bitter briar]

Omg istg this chat first it was disrespecting Chinese and now disrespecting religions?

[lusty grove]

I'm disrespecting people who disrespect gay people

[stable pilot]

Why does this feels kinda religiously intolerant

[lusty grove]

then none of this matters

[bitter briar]

This chat is not it today

[tepid mist]

You literally just said “dick move from the religions”💔😞

[versed pollen]

Didn't you just say this was too generic or something 😭

[median radish]

This pertains to silksong because…

[lusty grove]

...for not allowing gay people to exist

[tepid mist]

Idk HOW to say it tho

[stable pilot]

Yes, because I didn't know the guys reasons

[median radish]

Uh..

[iron spear]

How would the pale king let a girl down? He's a good role model

[versed pollen]

Dude we don't know this girl we do not know how to word this just be nice and say no

[winter moss]

[stable pilot]

Saying it in person, away from people

[winter moss]

hi guys

[tepid mist]

Fair enough

[unkempt steeple]

By throwing her kids at an eldrich entity

[stable pilot]

I try helping someone as best as I can

[graceful oyster]

Someone once asked me out over text and had a bunch of people watching on her end (I didn't know ofc) and to her misfortune everyone watched her get rejected

Womp womp

[bitter briar]

Aura loss

[versed pollen]

#awkward! Amirite!

[lusty grove]

damn that must really suck for her

[stable pilot]

That's why I don't like talking about those types of stuff near people

[lusty grove]

all of her friends know she got rejected now

[stable pilot]

Makes me feel uncomfortable

Maybe near my best friend, possibly, but the average friend, no

[lusty grove]

in any case, you did the right thing by expressing your feelings while being honest

[graceful oyster]

True I wasn't a jerk

Let her down gently

[stable pilot]

Just don't lie about it to anyone

[lusty grove]

it's not your fault there were people watching

[graceful oyster]

It was a long time coming

And I'm glad I did because everyone watching was one of my own friends

Very volatile situation

Anyway

[stable pilot]

I had to reject a girl once, it was extremely aknward for me

How to spell that

[unkempt steeple]

I used to have a girlfriend but we broke up after I made our kid be pocessed by a moth god of dreams and had to seal him away later cuz he felt emotions

[versed pollen]

Wow iphone

[lusty grove]

I hate it when that happens

[stable pilot]

Anyways
I didn't want to date her because we had way too little time of friendship, and I was told young to be in a relationship

[graceful oyster]

I used to be an adventurer like you
Then I took an arrow in the knee...

[stable pilot]

13 year olds should not be dating at all, fight me

[lusty grove]

reminds me of when I died and my boyfriend locked himself forever until a random spider freed him, killed him, and put his heart on her wall

[winter moss]

i agree

[lusty grove]

fair take

[pallid cargo]

I wanna get a bigger sample size for this question: out of Absolute Radiance and Lost Lace, which is harder?

[stable pilot]

Green prince lore

[graceful oyster]

Absrad is far and away harder

[winter moss]

absrad

[graceful oyster]

LL is harder than base Radiance but easier than PV or AbsRad

[stable pilot]

I don't know why there are a lot of people this age dating

[lusty grove]

absrad

[earnest drift]

absrad is the only hard boss in either game

[earnest drift]

idk about pv

[lusty grove]

people have emotions, even if they're young

[winter moss]

i havent even fought her but like ik she’s MUCH harder

[graceful oyster]

Yeah it's close

[earnest drift]

you should fight her first

[stable pilot]

Patience is a virtue

Are you sure about that decision?

Probably not

[lusty grove]

and sometimes, due to being young, their emotions feel bigger cuz of hormones and stuff

[spark anchor]

I haven’t fought absrad cause the p3 section of p5 has been kicking my ass but lost lace feels a lot easier in retrospect

[pallid cargo]

From what I can gather I would list it as Absolute Radiance > Lost Lace > Radiance (regular Radiance being the lowest)

[graceful oyster]

And discernment goes straight out the window

[winter moss]

i dont wanna do the entire few pantheons i have so many other things i need to do

[stable pilot]

Deixa acontecer naturalmente...
That's what should happen

[lusty grove]

I've never met a young person who's patient

[stable pilot]

Vontade de ouvir um pagodin agora

Anyways

[winter moss]

okay lace sounds like she says piano in the boss fights

[stable pilot]

PV is the best boss in hk

[lusty grove]

who?

[stable pilot]

Ik ik but mods are asleep

[unkempt steeple]

Brooding mother>>>> absolute radiance

[stable pilot]

Pure vessel

[lusty grove]

oh

[stable pilot]

Vrieno

That's what I hear

[pallid cargo]

I want to beat P5 and radiant clear AbsRad, so I practiced Pure Vessel today until I beat him on radiant and I've radiant cleared NKG. The only two I'm still iffy on (maybe) are Sly and Zote, so I'll probably practice them before I try again

[lusty grove]

who would win:
Broodmother
or
Brooding Mawlek

[tepid mist]

mawlek

[spark anchor]

Sly is kicking my asss

[stable pilot]

Brooding mawlek gave me way too much trouble in p1

[winter moss]

hear me out broodmother /j

[tepid mist]

no

[spark anchor]

Tried charmless p3 and i’m getting better at god tamer and zote

[lusty grove]

ngl I kinda see it (not my type, but fair)

[stable pilot]

Well infected bugs are stronger

[ruby dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chat-cat-fall-hello-chat-cat-gif-24961178

[stable pilot]

Than haunted bugs

[tepid mist]

Not all

[stable pilot]

The lore explicitly says that the infection makes bugs stronger

[winter moss]

BUT so does the silk

[winter moss]

which the lore also explicitly says

[stable pilot]

If THK was trying to kill us, he would definitely do it easily

[lusty grove]

the average infected bug watching as a polititian from Pharloom spins their head as fast as an industrial fan:

[rocky jolt]

the craws and skarr are literally the same haunted

[winter moss]

fair but the silk does empower people in some cases (e.g. the whiteward experiments)

[stable pilot]

That's not the haunting

[lusty grove]

craws aren't haunted
at least not the Jurors

[winter moss]

its still silk

[rocky jolt]

thats just injecting silk into somebody

[ruby dune]

Lore discourse

[stable pilot]

But it's not the haunting

[rocky jolt]

well duh no shit silk makes someone stronger look at the weavers

[stable pilot]

It's like vaccines

[winter moss]

okay

[ruby dune]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-crawfather-court-of-craws-gif-6468018594307154525

[stable pilot]

Vs viruses

[winter moss]

alright ig that makes sense

[rocky jolt]

pretty sure they are

[ruby dune]

Order Order in SK discussion

[stable pilot]

I view silk as a vaccine gone wrong

[lusty grove]

ORDER! ORDER IN THE COURT OF CRAWS!

[pallid cargo]

Sly can be a problem for sure, he was my second wall after the nailmaster brothers (not Sheo, he's chill).

I like to try and distance him - after enough time his attacks become pretty telegraphed, and the great slash, dash slash, and cyclone slash all have long windups. Phase 2 can be finicky, but that's where I like to use his own teachings against him - 6 great slashes or so have enough range to poke him and take him down.

[lusty grove]

Crawfather isn't

[stable pilot]

aggressive beaking

[spark anchor]

My strategy with sly is mostly using nail arts

[winter moss]

sob some vaccines are literally injecting live pathogens into them

[rocky jolt]

im talking about the regular crows

[spark anchor]

Fight fire with fire

[stable pilot]

That's what I'm saying

[rocky jolt]

they probably intended for you to do this

[spark anchor]

Shrue

[winter moss]

okay that makes sense

[stable pilot]

Use the spell against the sorcerer

[lusty grove]

the Jurors aren't Haunted

[glad ingot]

yeah? but they werent when you fought them, that's my point
also sorry for the derail yall

[stable pilot]

Do they give silk particles when hit?

[pallid cargo]

You got him, I believe :) it's only upwards from here

[glad ingot]

proof tables? peak

[lusty grove]

I'm considering that when they sing, the lines don't appear

and they can't get Voided

[rocky jolt]

i headcanon groal is actually just a frog that flies because of the citadel waste

[stable pilot]

I think those are gameplay reasons

[winter moss]

i love this

[stable pilot]

I think groal had too much soul

[pallid cargo]

He definitely looks like a frog lol, if they ever somehow do a Magic the Gathering secret lair I hope they reprint The Gitrog Monster as Groal

[stable pilot]

Would hornet inflate if she consumed spells?

[spark anchor]

He consumed too much soul like a certain tyrant that’s why they’re bloated

[stable pilot]

I think the knight does not inflate because it is hollow

[spark anchor]

She’s part wyrm i’m sure soul is nothing but energy

[leaden delta]

well silk uses soul so

[spark anchor]

Actually no the silk in her shell is made from soul

Nothing would happen to her

[stable pilot]

Hm true

[spark anchor]

Only normal bugs suffer from excessive soul

[lusty grove]

in any case, they don't get lines when they sing, so they're not Haunted

[stable pilot]

But what if she used PURE soul?

[spark anchor]

It is pure soul

[stable pilot]

But do they give silk particles when hit

[stable pilot]

It's silk and soul

[glad ingot]

yeah but so does everything

[lusty grove]

idk, give me a sec

[tepid mist]

Tik tik so strong (im joking by the way)

[glad ingot]

that's a gameplay reason if ive ever heard of one

[stable pilot]

Shakra, garmond, etc

[glad ingot]

wdym, they dont give silk? or

[stable pilot]

Probably stronger than non infected tik tiks

[stable pilot]

No silk particles when hit

They do give silk because they give soul too

[glad ingot]

i dont know about the silk particles

idk what you're talking about

[stable pilot]

And hornet's silk is soul

[lusty grove]

nvm they're Haunted

[stable pilot]

As I said

[glad ingot]

alr cool, believable

[lusty grove]

the wiki uses misleading images

[stable pilot]

How would the threads come from up if gms is down?

[winter moss]

are the silk particles the same as the hk particles from the mantis tribe? cuz then the silk is just a physical way of seeing soul (other than spells)

[mortal bluff]

One thing I’m kinda sad TC has never tried to do is a boss that physically transforms with a phase change

[stable pilot]

The threads that appear when bugs get needolined appear from above in act 2

But not in act 3

[lusty grove]

idk

[stable pilot]

Silk particles are like the orange juice

[stable pilot]

Exactly

Also are skarrs haunted in karmelita's memory?

[lusty grove]

let me check

[stable pilot]

And what about the karaks?

[raven tinsel]

This would be so cool!

[stable pilot]

And the greenkind

Aka verdania

[stable pilot]

Check normal skarrs and last defense skarrs too

[lusty grove]

I'm not getting them to sing

it's really hard or impossible

[stable pilot]

Just hit them to see if the particles apear

Or use strings too

[lusty grove]

they don't sing I think

[stable pilot]

But the particles?

[verbal trench]

still kinda crazy that silksong is actually out

[lusty grove]

how do they look like?

[verbal trench]

oh i have the images and vc role now

[stable pilot]

Like silk falling

It's like the orange juice in hk

But harder to notice

[lusty grove]

do they look like this?

[stable pilot]

Is that silk? I'm blind

[earnest drift]

no they're just protecting her

[lusty grove]

I think it's just regular white juice

[stable pilot]

Check the video above, are those silk particles

[stable pilot]

Give me sharkra or garmond footage if possible

[stable pilot]

Haunted skarrs believe they're protecting Karmelita

Check needolin dialogue

[earnest drift]

oops i forgot that

the haunting makes them serve grand mother silk but retain some form of their previous tasks

[stable pilot]

Fair, this game has complexlre

[lusty grove]

sure

[simple siren]

ima invade yo mind

[night bobcat]

Good luck

[stable pilot]

It's not like the infection

[simple siren]

oh, theres blue shit

[stable pilot]

The haunting seems to be way weaker than the infection

[spark anchor]

They are not haunted in the video

[lavish spruce]

Truly cinematic

[spark anchor]

No silk dregs

[dusky bobcat]

have fun with the 3 consecutive enemy arenas

[simple siren]

OMG

THAT COLOR PALLET IS AMAZING

[earnest drift]

idk, the haunting can straight up reanimate the dead, can the infection do that?

[lavish spruce]

The water in the coral tower is lifeblood

[stable pilot]

Makes sense because the haunting didn't exist when Karmelita was at her prime

[dusky bobcat]

gotta hit them with that "not even close"

[night bobcat]

Yea

[stable pilot]

I read the entirety of the hunter's journal
I can confirm, yes

[earnest drift]

the infection is more volatile while the haunting is more efficient

haunted bugs can still communicate with each other and continue their previous tasks

[night bobcat]

The infection reanimated one vessel

[lavish spruce]

I call them perpendicular parallels but I just made that up

[earnest drift]

and they can plan things out, like with how they captured hornet

[stable pilot]

And most of the city of tears guards

[dusky bobcat]

7 if you count watcher knights as well

oh wait vessels mb

[earnest drift]

i think that's different from the haunting's reanimation, that's infected beings getting inside a completely dead husk and moving it from inside

[stable pilot]

They don't communicate, they're stuck in a hive mind

[earnest drift]

you can see them singing together in the citadel

[lavish spruce]

I think the stronger an infected creature is, the better control radiance has on it, given stronger bosses are much more calculated than weaker ones

[lusty grove]

does that help?

[earnest drift]

and someone wrote the choral commandments that sent the choir after weaver descendants

[stable pilot]

Yep the skarrs are definitely not haunted, at least in karmelita's memory

[stable pilot]

It's gms making them do that

[quartz roost]

i wouldn't say way weaker, maybe a bit weaker. by the way, i know much more about silksong lore than hollow knight lore

[stable pilot]

Gms is a very good puppeteer

[stable pilot]

Look at the traitor lord and then look at a normal mantis lord

[lavish spruce]

Doesn't make sense if the haunting is a hivemind, but if you analyze how the threads tighten with the pilgrims in the beginning it's very possible there's instances where the threads are loose, meaning the haunted aren't at a complete loss for free will

[stable pilot]

Also look at infected cross roads

[night bobcat]

The haunting seems to feed someone's belief, while the infection turns you into an outright zombie

[pallid cargo]

Unless I'm dumb I thought I recall that Karmelita's singing is what kept the curse away from the Skarrs due to their undying loyalty to her; once she started growing old, her song got weaker, and so some of the Skarrs started falling to it

[quartz roost]

ok, one gives power the other one gives inmortally

[stable pilot]

Yeah yeah, I was just checking if TC had that much attention to detail to make the skarrs in karmelita's memory not be haunted

[stable pilot]

Both give immortality

The infection reanimated guards in the city of tears

[hollow ingot]

rate my build

[stable pilot]

!wiki husk guard

[earnest drift]

pretty sure that's canon, haunted bugs retain some of the behaviour they had when they were alive

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Husk_Guard

Hollow Knight Wiki

Husk Guard

Husk Guards are enemies in Hollow Knight. In life, these bugs used to be guards of the Forgotten Crossroads. Reanimated after death, they still instinctually guard their former posts.

Health

70

Drops

45 / Geo dropped with a Greed Charm equipped 54

Journal Kills

6

[pallid cargo]

Watcher Knights as an example

[lusty grove]

btw those are the Karaka soldiers

[stable pilot]

Wants the name of the city of tears fat guys

[earnest drift]

that also means the haunting didn't force the slab flies to strip hornet
that's something they would've done if they weren't haunted

[stable pilot]

Definitely not haunted

[dusky bobcat]

good, but i use longclaw instead, and there's no need for both CS and SD

[lavish spruce]

Yes this is said a few times, but what if they still have a general sense of free will, rather than being routine ingrained corpses

[stable pilot]

They do have a little bit of self control

Check skarrs

Check freaking crawfather

[hollow ingot]

what are those

[stable pilot]

They can literally write

[earnest drift]

groal and the stilkin are haunted but they retain their absolute hatred of the citadel and intruders

[stable pilot]

That's why I think the haunting is weaker

[lavish spruce]

Given that the slab flies are clearly very stupid and don't even recognize what hornets belongings are, it was probably the haunting that induced that

[earnest drift]

i prefer the haunting over the infection, it's much more interesting and lets enemies have their own motives instead of all being mindlessly following the hive mind

[stable pilot]

Is the infection a hive mind?

[night bobcat]

The haunting just blurs your vision of whats real or not, revives your corpse to try to accomplish a task thatll never be complete

[quartz roost]

i agree

[dusky bobcat]

cross stitch and sharpdart, you can replace one with either silkspear or thread storm for a more damaging option

[hollow ingot]

oh kk

[earnest drift]

kind of?

[night bobcat]

I domt think so

[stable pilot]

I think i remember the hunter talking about it being one?

[dusky bobcat]

i would also advise swapping crests for nyleth

[night bobcat]

Any damage would be felt by all of them

[earnest drift]

what i do like about the infection is the infection itself becoming life of its own with the lightseeds

[lusty grove]

Khann's OST goes way too hard for such an easy boss

[hollow ingot]

yeah ik theres no floor

[stable pilot]

!wiki lightseed
The hunter's notes are very very interesting here

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Lightseed

Hollow Knight Wiki

Lightseed

Lightseeds are enemies in Hollow Knight. They are small creatures who have swollen greatly in size due to Infection.

Health

1

Drops

None

Journal Kills

20

[stable pilot]

So does false knight

"Strange air has been seeping down from above for years. Some of the air became liquid, and some of that liquid became flesh, and some of that flesh came to life. I don't know what to make of it."
-The hunter

[lusty grove]

I love Silksong

[timid plinth]

orange juice life

[dusky bobcat]

question, why are shadow creepers infected in HK if they don't respond to the dream nail, making it so they should be empty?

[zealous elk]

"but you're gonna run out of shards!" literally me

[dusky bobcat]

that last one is not an option

[zealous elk]

yea i'm never gonna break it, i just put it there because it breaks into shards

[stable pilot]

Are verdania enemies haunted?

[earnest drift]

i'd rather break the hornet statue than the pristine core from 12th architect

[lusty grove]

they're not empty, they just don't have any meaningful thoughts
all beasts have thoughts such as "eat" or "scared", but Shadow Creepers don't have those needs, so they don't have those thoughts

[zealous elk]

they could never make me hate you Flick

[night bobcat]

Can you beat the spirit?

[lusty grove]

I can't check right now, so I'm just gonna check the wiki

[stable pilot]

So does fool eaters

[night bobcat]

Allways beat the green fella fighting him

[lusty grove]

no, just the Green Prince

[stable pilot]

Also are cog dancers haunted?

[night bobcat]

My poor gay boy 🙁 deserved so much better

[lusty grove]

making a collection

[spark anchor]

Yeah i think so

[lusty grove]

I'll check

[spark anchor]

The needolin causes them to show strings

[stable pilot]

That's enough proof

[zealous elk]

last judge is there like "hey wanna come check out this citadel it's cool as fuck"

[stable pilot]

Is macebug infected?

!wiki macebug

!wiki false knight

[mental swallow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/False_Knight

Hollow Knight Wiki

False Knight

False Knight is one of the main bosses in Hollow Knight. He keeps the City Crest required to open the gates to the City of Tears. Failed Champion is his faster and stronger dream form.

Theme

False Knight
──────────
Godmaster content Furious Gods

Health

65 (Armour)
40 (Maggot)
Minimum total to kill:
3 armour stages (65x3) + 4 head stages (40x4) = 355

Reward

City Crest
 200

Journal Kills

1

Gender

Male

Voice

William Pellen

[lusty grove]

they are

[zealous elk]

no, i don't think so. since it's dream nail dialogue says "Finally free" or something like that and infected bugs say something like "Light... Safe.." then i don't think Macebug is infected

[night bobcat]

I think its normal for the green prince, the other fellow is a ghost!!

[tawdry valley]

I think the only infected creatures that ever run away from the player are lightseeds, which gather to fight you later. I think not immediately fighting you disqualifies bugs from being late stage infected

[stable pilot]

Light is dangerous, not safe

[lusty grove]

it happens too during the Cogwork Dancers fight, i'm trying to make it happen rn

[zealous elk]

yeah well that's False Knight itself, not Macebug.

[night bobcat]

Oh

[stable pilot]

Well, false Knight's infected dialogue is "I'm the strongest one" and he's clearly infected

[zealous elk]

eh, whatever

[tawdry valley]

Yea but they’re also going insane

[stable pilot]

The only mention of mace bug in the wiki is in false Knight's trivia page

[tawdry valley]

And not all infected creatures talk about safety and light, that’s just the default for beast like or simple minded creatures

[dusky bobcat]

whos macebug

[stable pilot]

That's what I'm saying

[tawdry valley]

Their weapon

[stable pilot]

Check false knight trivia

[tawdry valley]

Yeah, but false knight’s dialogue still portrays them as infected

Even if they don’t talk about light

[stable pilot]

It doesn't

[hexed sigil]

Remember hegemol the one who originally owns that piece of metal of an armor is missing he presumingly ran away in cowardice iirc in the lore

[stable pilot]

If he didn't give out orange juice when hit we would never know that he's infected

I could see him attacking us if he wasn't infected

[primal karma]

ohhh

[stable pilot]

After all he wants to protect his brothers

[dusky bobcat]

honestly fair tho if your kingdom is falling to the infection and you dont have dream nail

[tawdry valley]

Hunter Description:
“maggot driven mad by a strange force. Inhabits a stolen armoured shell.”
Dialogue:
“I'm braver than all of you!
I'm the strongest now!
This great shell...It belongs to me!”
Context:
a maggot possessing a suit of armor/corpse and wildly attacking anything in sight.

[stable pilot]

“I'm braver than all of you!
I'm the strongest now!
This great shell...It belongs to me!”

[tawdry valley]

His post dream fight dialogue expresses that he wasn’t driven mad when taking the armor. But he remains an infected creature that’s attacking you (and other creatures)

[stable pilot]

This isnt enough to determine if he's infected or nah

That's my point to think that macebug is infected

[tawdry valley]

Macebug is not hostile

[lusty grove]

he is infected

[stable pilot]

Obviously

[tawdry valley]

Infected creatures attack on sight, the exceptions are lightseeds and early stage infection

[stable pilot]

But we don't know that because of his dreamnail dialogue

[stable pilot]

Or that one mosskin

[tawdry valley]

We know that based on the context of the dialogue and other things, yes.

A weak coward with a stolen body believing themselves to be strong, brave, and in ownership of what they’ve stolen

[dusky bobcat]

i think he's like Hollow knight in that he's weakened by the infection

[stable pilot]

The hollow knight isn't weakened, he is purposefully giving his worse

[tawdry valley]

Huh

[ruby fern]

wsg guys

how are y'all

[stable pilot]

If it embraced the infection, it'd be stronger than PV

[stable pilot]

Fine

[dusky bobcat]

fair

[finite swift]

Can you guys give me a boss to draw im super bored

[tight viper]

Forebrothers

[ruby fern]

im sorry to ask this but by any chance,you are brazilian too?

[stable pilot]

Absolute Radiance

[finite swift]

You know what, hell yyeah

[stable pilot]

I think the flag in my username is kind of an obvious indicator

[ruby fern]

had to make sure