sk-discussion

[untold dune]

guys its literally the sandsea wastes what are you on about

[worldly valve]

shaman bind + warding bell = really expensive descending dark

[split umbra]

Nah that's new york

[placid citrus]

pretty sure longclaw doesn't increase shaman crest atk length

[light swan]

it does

[blissful junco]

shitty descending dark*

[plain fulcrum]

WAIT WDYM CRULL AND BEJIN DIED IN ACT 3 WHAT

[worldly valve]

WHAT

[blissful junco]

team cherry moment

[worldly valve]

they did?

[light swan]

it makes the attack longer than dash

[exotic cedar]

They die yeah

[blissful junco]

yea

[plain fulcrum]

BUT THEY'RE CRULL AND BENJIN MAN

[split umbra]

WHO TF ARE CRULL AND BEJING

[worldly valve]

how the hell would you get witch then

[plain fulcrum]

THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG

[verbal steeple]

does dying to lost sinner end your steel soul?

[blissful junco]

but what if we dont have witch crest then what

[verbal steeple]

i dont think so right?

[blissful junco]

nah

[untold dune]

they surcharged us when we were cursed

[exotic cedar]

The item is there free to get

[blissful junco]

sinner just tests you

[worldly valve]

motherfuckers...

[blissful junco]

fucking hell

[split umbra]

Crull and benjin give those spines?

[blissful junco]

YEA?

[plain fulcrum]

They're just a couple of bums they're not hurting anyone

[placid citrus]

the steel thingies r on the ground if u in act 3

[untold dune]

they smell weird

[exotic cedar]

But when they die in act 3 item is just there

[worldly valve]

like i came back from fighting god while having tentacles in me give me the damn spines i already donated organs to you

[split umbra]

Well forgive me for not wanting witch crest then

[plain fulcrum]

its just alpha male smell🙄

[worldly valve]

its australian smell

[void moat]

"it's called aura!!"

[untold dune]

ok well thats the issue with them isnt it

[split umbra]

It's the ninth sinner

[torpid pebble]

im gonna get silksong mod

[plain fulcrum]

mommy

[worldly valve]

12th sinner

[median radish]

58th sinner

[placid citrus]

it's called defender's crest actually

[plain fulcrum]

exactlyyyy

[worldly valve]

IS lace theorethically the 10th sinner if hornet is the 9th

[torpid pebble]

wait how do i get silksong mods

[split umbra]

It's the ninth architect

[rapid sparrow]

i gotta explore the cogwork place a bit more

[stable mica]

no shes the 8th cuz she freed hornet

[rapid sparrow]

i havent been there since the fight with the dancers

[worldly valve]

oh right

[untold dune]

r2modman

[worldly valve]

wait so lace is the 9th

hornet is actually the 10th sinnerlore guys

[split umbra]

You need to go there for the end

[marsh spoke]

Man I'm ready to mod

[untold dune]

guys the slab has like 1000 sinners before hornet

[strange comet]

go to the support FAQ in #1057825333841240104

[placid citrus]

where r u getting these numbers bro

[worldly valve]

the cradle

im head ceo of the propaganda minister actually

[verbal steeple]

what

[worldly valve]

1010th sinner

[plain fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/delroy-lindo-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-wtf-you-said-what-gif-22224016

[cunning bay]

guys do you need to get all memory lockets and absorve eva to get 100%?

[untold dune]

how are you the ceo of a title

[placid citrus]

all lockets aren't required for 100%

[untold dune]

almost all

[worldly valve]

the title is actually the name of the company

[cunning bay]

yea but i mean do i need to absorve eva?

[untold dune]

yea

[cunning bay]

broooooo nnooooo

[worldly valve]

im the ceo of the company propaganda minister actually

[untold dune]

ur company needs a better name

[placid citrus]

ye u can call urself the cpm

[cedar trench]

i think witch crest is the best crest in the game hands down

[placid citrus]

hunter >>>

[cedar trench]

genuinely if you have no issues with platforming there's no reason not to run it

[untold dune]

i mean witch platforming is fine

[cedar trench]

more consistent in exploration and the learning curve's better but it reaches a certain cap where you can't pull off the ridiculous bullshit you can with witch

[cedar trench]

healing

[untold dune]

witch is cool during bosses but for exploration i just cant

i need my normal heal

same with beast

[placid citrus]

idk what "more consistent in exploration" means, i'm not tryna explore on my 20th playthrough

[untold dune]

wandering then

[torpid pebble]

can i mod the game IF my game is cracked

[untold dune]

probably not (why are you cracking a 20 dollar game)

[arctic epoch]

yes

[cedar trench]

uhhhhh when you go wandering about and you get hit by a stray enemy or caught in a difficult platforming session other crests usually allow you to heal

[torpid pebble]

im broke as shit

[old gorge]

Architect on top 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[cedar trench]

like the game is designed in such a way that you can get silk to heal from time to time

witch needs damage to gain silk and it heals off doing damage

suboptimal if you're somewhere like karak where there's one enemy per room MAYBE and it's not even that tanky

[untold dune]

but if witch heal deals damage, then there is less silk overall when exploring

[cedar trench]

yeah that's exactly where i was getting

but the inverse

[placid citrus]

that might be true for like 1st playthroughs but like as soon as u start replaying the game platforming ain't rlly an issue

[rancid wedge]

wanderer kinda does everything

[cedar trench]

except be fun

[rancid wedge]

i wish shaman was unlocked at a reasonable part of the game though

[cedar trench]

[rancid wedge]

it does this too

[cedar trench]

i'm playing ofc i just don't find it too interesting

toolset is weak and doesn't allow for much customization, gimmick is situational

[rancid wedge]

a lot of bosses already move too fast for me so it makes me feel like im actually matching their pace

[cedar trench]

but the rest of the crest? It's great

[toxic vigil]

ok other than volt filament and quickbind what do i use in a shaman build as a blue tool

[cedar trench]

weavelight

[rancid wedge]

weavelight is mandatory yeah

[placid citrus]

wanderer doesn't have a gimmick

[cedar trench]

"crits"

[rancid wedge]

its gimmick is quickslash

[cedar trench]

situational is a bad word for this one what i meant is "nonexistent"

[placid citrus]

it ain't rlly a gimmick tho

[cedar trench]

it is?

[rancid wedge]

i could never play with hunter tbh. crest depends on you not getting hit

[placid citrus]

it isn't smth like with witch crest where the entire heal is changed, it's just rng bonus dmg

[toxic vigil]

i mean honestly crits don't really impact wanderer too much

[storm dagger]

Me too, it's hard to adapt to by the time you get it

[cedar trench]

yeah that's the point

[rancid wedge]

for me it's just reaper without the silk for that

[storm dagger]

It's a good way to practice, trust

[cedar trench]

every other crest, outside of their attack and tool slots, has a gimmick usually reserved for the bind

[strange comet]

im going to sell you a paper rosary bead

[toxic vigil]

its just kinda there for the 4.4% more dps, not a downside
the quickslash, 4 yellow slots and regular downpogo is usually why ppl use wanderer

[rancid wedge]

i kinda adapted really well to it i just wish i could use it against more bosses....

[storm dagger]

I think the gimmick being seperate from the bind is cool, but the way wanderer does it just ain't it

[compact hamlet]

I used reaper for abit but I can’t stand the slow hits. + loosing my extra silk after 1 hit aleays pissed me off

[cedar trench]

yeah like shaman

[storm dagger]

Me too, I used it to beat void threaded savage beastfly

[cedar trench]

shaman's gimmick increases spell dmg

[compact hamlet]

And then the silk orbs fly too far and

Blech

[rancid wedge]

never came across this damn

i wish i did

[cedar trench]

idk why team cherry refuses to buff/rework reaper

[cedar trench]

even making it do substantially more damage would make it interesting

[compact hamlet]

How did people complain about SBF2? I beat it in like 2 tries voided /hj

[rancid wedge]

just making the silk balls give one silk or half silk would fix it

[toxic vigil]

maybe major patch like sea of sorrrow

[storm dagger]

Fair, it's from the wish and I just didn't feel like doing it till act 3

[cedar trench]

maybe idk idgaf

[storm dagger]

Pretty reasonable

[compact hamlet]

More masks in dlc pls n thx

Sick of the double damage bs

[storm dagger]

Ironically that's how many tries it took me, hehehe

[compact hamlet]

Easily the overall worst part of the game

[placid citrus]

it ain't bs

[strange comet]

what if paper is rarer than pale Beads

[rancid wedge]

reaper should be the other spell crest tbh. you get it around the time you get access to silk dash and needle storm

[toxic vigil]

yeah double damage
team cherry got stupider in silksong balancing

[rancid wedge]

if the bind gave reasonable silk it could be

[compact hamlet]

I personally despise it

[placid citrus]

it's just more dmg bro

[plain fulcrum]

Silksong bosses on morality
any character the deserves to go up or down?

[cedar trench]

how is lj evil

[plain fulcrum]

lj?

[cedar trench]

man fuck this bullshit tier list

[strange comet]

GAMBLING

[toxic vigil]

hollow knight made sense:
you slowly get more masks but enemies get more and more double damage
this keeps your overall max hp the same but healing is worse
silksong dosen't:
you always take 2 damage from bosses except for the random 1 contact damage
this basically means you go from having 2 to 5 hp in the game

[cedar trench]

lastjudge

[patent heath]

Shellwood mask shard room is harder to go through than fucking Lost Lace.

[strange comet]

would trobbio be French

[rich herald]

last judge isnt evil she tests you on if youve been evil or not lol

[cedar trench]

trobbio is based off an actual dude who i thin is american

[plain fulcrum]

every person she determines as sinful she basically obliterates
and "sinful" is for people who can't be brainwashed by the citadel

[strange comet]

i think he's caucasian

[rancid wedge]

karmelita and pinstress are neutral...

nvm thats the tier where gms and lace are you're really forgiving. except to groal who is awesome... and my poor widow... last judge is cool too but idk them very well

[cedar trench]

she has been brainwashed by the citadel lmfao she's extremely aggressive

[compact hamlet]

Gms in neutral you’re actually insane

[storm dagger]

I think trobbio should be raised, voltvyrm should be neutral as he's just kinda chilling, and I think crawfather should be lower as he's not necessarily that evil

[plain fulcrum]

can disagree

[compact hamlet]

Die

[cedar trench]

The whole point of the judge race/squirrms is that they are indoctrinated from birth to develop a very strange sense of morality and be at the service of the citadel. LJ is haunted and severly misguided she is not "evil"

[compact hamlet]

THATS BULLSHIT!

[marsh spoke]

Twin

[torpid pebble]

2070 rosaries for all the stuff jubilana sells

[plain fulcrum]

I MEAN she does care about lace, and she does lend hornet her power to save her

[plain bloom]

The best feeling : finally clearing a hard boss battle after many attempts. The bitter feeling afterward is you can't fight the boss again and practice getting even better at that fight.

[compact hamlet]

Am I not allowed to say a synonym for henchmen in the big 26?!

[torpid pebble]

yikes

[rich herald]

Its true.

[cedar trench]

😭

[fiery burrow]

why is Phantom evil and not GMS

[toxic vigil]

shaman bind is unusable 😭

[rich herald]

Hornet is evil and deserved to get shot

[cedar trench]

i'm crying bro

[compact hamlet]

She rewrote dna of random little critters into an entirely new sentient race

[ripe geyser]

Why can’t I bash the wall. I know from save 1 the top of that bottom room of shellwood can’t be bashed from the other side. So what gives?

[rich herald]

Last Judge did nothing wrong.

[cedar trench]

it goes beyond that

[compact hamlet]

Oh theres plenty

[plain fulcrum]

a you problem but ok Im not changing it

[marsh spoke]

We are genuinely narratorwashing

[plain bloom]

It can be bashed from the other side tho

[cedar trench]

exploding rock other side

[placid citrus]

she didn't rlly rewrite em, just made em grow up

[rich herald]

No

No no no

[compact hamlet]

Crawfather is a bitch. He took one look at me and slammed his face against the table and sicked his minions on me

Not even a proper trial, immediate death by birds

[torpid pebble]

hollow knight deserves to die,the radiance did nothing wrong its all pale kings fault

[marsh spoke]

Hey

[plain fulcrum]

welcome to hk discord, don't take them seriously lol just be glad it actually pisses them off

[marsh spoke]

So what do you think about the princess

[rich herald]

If anything last judge isnt pure evil like where that guy put her in their tier list

[cedar trench]

i don't even think groal is evil he's pretty justified in his ideals he's just greedy

[rich herald]

Yeah true

[marsh spoke]

what is this supposed to mean

[stray herald]

i mean tbh i feel bad for the unravelled

[cedar trench]

like he is a terrible person but i don't blame him

[stray herald]

also isnt the last judge kinda just doing their job

[rich herald]

I think the princess is beautiful and we shouldnt slay them.

[plain fulcrum]

that the hk community is made out of fake know it alls

[cedar trench]

i feel like it's more complex than that

[worn perch]

Khann is complete
Took only 2 attempts
The gauntlets were honestly harder than him lol

Loved the fight itself though

[fiery burrow]

gg

[compact hamlet]

Krust King Khann is absolutely pure evil because he leads crab people and if you’ve seen southpark Crab People are queerbaiters and queerbaiting is bad

[rich herald]

theres no hk or ss character that is pure evil or good

[marsh spoke]

Are you saying that because of what hollow is saying

[storm dagger]

Maybe, crawfather is a mood, trust

[untold dune]

what about kratt

[fiery burrow]

I can think of many HK characters that are pure evil

[rich herald]

Lmfao

[toxic vigil]

ok lost lace is a horrible fight for shaman crest

[rich herald]

Well…….

[plain fulcrum]

nah you really need to be here during crest discourses

[cedar trench]

me when i lie

[marsh spoke]

Im so confused why am i getting treated as a newgen

[fiery burrow]

#sk-discussion users when they have to go five minutes without bringing up crest discourses in unrelated contexts

[rich herald]

You joined during 2022. Newgen

[plain fulcrum]

"its fun"

[stray herald]

-# btw isnt moss mother just protecting her children

[cedar trench]

NEWGEN!!! LAUGH AT THE NEW GEN

[cedar trench]

pure evil.

[toxic vigil]

i understand silksanity bc i am a deltarune fan but i am a complete newgen

[rich herald]

the bosses are evil because they attack me and have no motivations whatsoever they just do it bc they feel like it

[toxic vigil]

i got into hollow knight in 2025

[rich herald]

Trust!

[stray herald]

Why pure evil

[plain fulcrum]

I will mention crest discourses a thousand times if I must!

[cedar trench]

i hate women

[marsh spoke]

So true

[stray herald]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[stray herald]

DIABOLICAL

[plain fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-bear-spongebob-safety-anti-sea-bear-circle-spongebob-funny-gif-8782259290133626566

[compact hamlet]

I too want to slam my face against my desk and get my friends to beat up that one asshole from middle school

[hoary coyote]

i have a problem cause im doing an architect crest only run but i cant free the bell beast because i cant equip the silkspear :<
what should i do

[stray herald]

Damn now im hungry

[storm dagger]

That would be a cool ability lowkey

[compact hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-people-funny-crabs-gif-7366499

[untold dune]

time to do wormways skip

[compact hamlet]

Silksong act 3 no context

[rich herald]

womrways

[thin tendon]

guys I can’t find my last mask shard

[rich herald]

fduck someone beat me to it

[untold dune]

im someone 😳

[rich herald]

True…

[compact hamlet]

I ate it. Next question.

[thin tendon]

bruh

[hoary coyote]

dont worry i have a spare one

[untold dune]

did you get the one in blasted stepd

[thin tendon]

i think so? Where abouts is it

[untold dune]

right above the exit out of pharloom

[stray herald]

why

[thin tendon]

no I didn’t get that one

[hoary coyote]

brotha i have a spare one

[thin tendon]

thank you

[placid citrus]

did u race swift my goat

[stray herald]

i cant tell if your pfp and user is based off that one skin

[thin tendon]

who?

[compact hamlet]

Hungey

[placid citrus]

sprintmaster swift

[thin tendon]

dunno who that is

[placid citrus]

he gives u a mask shard

[compact hamlet]

Bro is a fake fan

[toxic vigil]

alright i tried shaman, i don't like it

[hoary coyote]

i tried shaman and i like it

[thin tendon]

I haven’t even beaten the game. I started like last month. Only because I finished hk in early December

[abstract hollow]

Hi guys I beat p5 with all bindings 🤯

[placid citrus]

wait what act r u on bro

[ripe geyser]

What do I bash I’m checking the area on save 1.

[stable mica]

too weak get out of my face

[abstract hollow]

The abs rad is in the chat

[lofty shell]

@placid citrus
https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-kiecaburn-animation-fan-animation-cartoon-gif-25444194

[stray herald]

or maybe they didnt get there yet 🤯

[placid citrus]

it became his blade once more!!!

[toxic vigil]

honestly needle is fine but you lose bind ( basically unusable even with quickbind )

[compact hamlet]

You didn’t get the 100% the steel soul in 30 hours achievement? God, FAKE FANS! TOURISTS’ GET OUT!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEE!

[lofty shell]

the bind for shaman is overhated

[untold dune]

agree

[placid citrus]

fr, there's only 1 place in the game where it's a problem

[untold dune]

nyleth

[lofty shell]

like
you basically get to stay out of range of the boss most of the time
as you would be spamming silk skills more
the bind is there to balance things out

[lofty shell]

just don't heal then

[rapid sparrow]

uhhhm guys?

[toxic vigil]

how is this for hunter

[rapid sparrow]

where the heck is clawline

[exotic cedar]

Nyleth and coral tower floorless room

[untold dune]

solid

[exotic cedar]

That's it

[rapid sparrow]

where is it

[coarse leaf]

||deep docks||

[lean yoke]

Somewhere in that place yk

[toxic vigil]

hunter should be pretty close to wanderer but less attack speed for focus and worse pogo

[placid citrus]

they last for like only 3 turns

[compact hamlet]

It’s under my bed, I can get it to u after work

[untold dune]

i ated the clawline 😋

[exotic cedar]

I know it's still something though

[lofty shell]

ehh
multi bind is kinda mid
this is not a witch build
tacks is alright
injector bind is alright
there are better options like sawtooth circlet and volt filament

[placid citrus]

"worse pogo"

[compact hamlet]

You stole my joke, I hope you stub your toe so hard.

[coarse leaf]

me personally im flea juice or flint or both on hunter

[untold dune]

jokes on you i dont have any toes

[compact hamlet]

Imagine

[untold dune]

dragons

[coarse leaf]

that's what i thought to myself but it's ok

[compact hamlet]

Draggin deez nuts ayy lmao

[toxic vigil]

indeed, worse pogo

[toxic vigil]

wtf is volt gonna do if i mostly heal and rarely use silk skills

[hoary coyote]

what crest?

[coarse leaf]

the skissue is real bro but it's ok

[toxic vigil]

hunter

[rich herald]

if hunter pogo was slightly snappier itd arguably be the best in the game ngl, its my favorite one atleast and definitely one of the best tho

[placid citrus]

lol

[toxic vigil]

worse pogo than wanderer's

[hoary coyote]

okay first get long claw

[coarse leaf]

if you can't account for few extra frames, that's a skissue

[marsh spoke]

hunter pogo haters dnii

[toxic vigil]

done

[lofty shell]

hunter is better in every way
a completely balanced tools set
allowing two tools of each type, then one blue and one yellow with vesticrests but thats universal
an amazing pogo
a focus mechanic which can make you deal monstrous damage if you play right
the moveset is good
the needle art is amazing

[coarse leaf]

literally dni

[marsh spoke]

Just joking but like its already snappy enough imo

[toxic vigil]

nah hunter pogo IS good

[hoary coyote]

now let me ask do you more likely play defensively or aggresively

[coarse leaf]

literally cannot handle a few frames

[toxic vigil]

honestly idk

[rich herald]

I dont Hate hunter pogo nor do i think the existence of a small startup is a problem

[marsh spoke]

why are we making fun of holly now

[rich herald]

Why are we making assumptions about me lmfao

[coarse leaf]

nothing was said in jest ?

[hoary coyote]

okay lets say you attack a lot dont dodge often but attack, then get flintslate and flea brew

[toxic vigil]

ok uh:
straight up lying about better pogo
but yeah if not for the pogo i would 100% like it more
also i forgot needle arts exist

[marsh spoke]

Bro what is happening why have i seen 2 people in this chat try to say something about you to me

[prisma jetty]

[toxic vigil]

i try to dodge a lot but i am not that good at silksong yet, alright

[coarse leaf]

i said it to them lol first

[rich herald]

Idk its pretty funny though

[marsh spoke]

This is better than being shipped so far. Lets see where this goes

[placid citrus]

the pogo is 100% better ngl

[hoary coyote]

get weighted belt with compass, and last blue tool i would throw in injector band

[toxic vigil]

i do with dice in vesicrest
and i do have injector band

[rich herald]

i dont hate hunter pogo and its my favorite in the game but it would be cool for there to be like a 2 frame reduction or smth bc my only issues with hunter are the slight delays in animations that are usually offset by other stuff anyway

[marsh spoke]

@orchid locust Steve GPT please translate this

[rich herald]

What did i even DO

[marsh spoke]

????????????????????????

[toxic vigil]

i understand i am worse than the average player,
however even if i suck, i am defending wanderer pogo with my life
( also if you ask, YES i would use reaper if wanderer didn't exist. )

[marsh spoke]

IM ASKING FOR A TRANSLATION

[coarse leaf]

start w that then, why just start with a blanket statement about a pogo that needs an offset for its farther distance and maneuverability

[hoary coyote]

okay so for yellow tools compass, weighted belt and magnetite dice
blue injector band, longclaw and reserve bind
and red tools flintslate and fleabrew

[marsh spoke]

LITERALLY WTF DID I DO

[placid citrus]

i mean that's fine use whatever u like but hunter pogo is peak

[rich herald]

i didnt think i would need to be that specific for someone to come out of nowhere trying to make fun of me

[wicked sandal]

hello silk nation

[orchid locust]

🤖 translating............

Error: Token limit exceeded. Please upgrade to SteveGPT Plus or wait until tomorrow for more free tokens.

[marsh spoke]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[rich herald]

Plus i also literally said i liked hunter pogo so idk where any of taht came from

[toxic vigil]

ok tbh:
hunter pogo
top 3 or top 4

[exotic cedar]

Witch pogo is the best

[coarse leaf]

no one was making fun as i previously stated, but to anyone that tells me that the frames are too much i'll tell them it's a skill issue. no making fun or jokes about that

[marsh spoke]

Skill issue and its asking for an adjustment

[rich herald]

how is it a skill issue i never said it hindered my performance in any way lol

[coarse leaf]

reply to me if you have someth to say also lol

[rich herald]

it would just be a neat thing to have

[sharp slate]

its not better in every way lmao

[coarse leaf]

fair

[golden karma]

I have something to say.

[marsh spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/slay-the-princess-witch-speechbubble-gif-16721428583444758526

[placid citrus]

what r the top 2

[coarse leaf]

I might have a response.

[golden karma]

Wow

[sharp slate]

Wanderer has a few things on hunter, better pogo, silk generation, and technically more range (though less width), also you can get more attacks in at starts of battle 2 in on karm instead of 1 for example. Not to mention wanderer has more movement consistency imo

[coarse leaf]

dude im sorry for making fun of you 😩

[lofty shell]

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́̑E̷͗͗͛̋r̸̾͑̈́͠r̵̀͐̍͘o̸r:̵̈͘ To̶̐̅̏́k̷͂͂̂͝e̴͒̓̑̇n̸̏͗̆͆ ̶̈͛̓̈́l̷̊imiṫ̑́͠ ̸́́́̔è̴̉̿̚x̷̒̄͒͋c̵̿͌̐̚e̵ed͗̌ė̶̎d.̍̿ ̵̈́̅̿͘P̶̿̏͘͠l̸͂͑eaś̶̈́̋͝e̷͋́͌̆ ̵̿̈́̀ͅupg̸͐̿̀̇rad͗̈́̉̈́e̵̞̟̫̊ ̴̊̈́̅̉t̴̆̓̚͝ö̵́̾̿͗ ̷Stev̷͆̔̑̈ë̸́̔̑͠G̸̨͙̽̃P̴̂̄̅̅T̷̓̔͑́ ̵́͐Plù̶s ̛̌̿ọ̴̯͒͗r̷̩͈̗̈ ̵̉́̈̕wai͊̌̾̕t̶̎͌͗̂ ̴͋̒un̒͠t̸͆̀̉͊i̵l ͕͝t̷͖́̓̕ó̶̀̐͋m̷̐͊̽͝o̵͂̊̅͛rrow ̴̅̒́̓

[sharp slate]

obviously every crest has their goods and bads/ advatages /disavatages

[toxic vigil]

wanderer reaper
yes reaper is ass
but id still rather have it than any other ( except wanderer obv bc that is godo damage )

[golden karma]

Apology not accepted. I am comings for you.

[craggy turret]

If i didn't know any better I'd think the reason most enemies do one mask of damage twice in a row is so that way if you're hit at low hp on steel soul you could immediately just dip out of the file before it registers you got killed

[golden karma]

I just said wow randomly it wasn't like Wowwww

[coarse leaf]

this is true tho mb then. but no one was making fun

[marsh spoke]

Wanderer jokes aside i prefer hunter pogo so i wouldnt say its objectively better IMO

[lofty shell]

play the game more
you will find better crests

[rich herald]

wanderer having more range than hunter feels so weird but its pretty funny lmao

[hollow wharf]

I hop on and there’s crest discourse already are you kidding me

[golden karma]

Lowkey what if we just banned all wanderer mains

[rich herald]

its pretty tame

[exotic cedar]

Pogos depend on the player

[toxic vigil]

act 3 100%

[coarse leaf]

yeah let me hop off now before i see more mpreg

[sharp slate]

Fair, i think wanderer pogo is more consistent where hunter features more iframes, different strokes for different folks

[rich herald]

its more pogocourse than anything

[golden karma]

Not really noticeable is it

[patent heath]

Why is Shellwood mask shard room harfer than everything else in this game?

[toxic vigil]

alright.
thats it
i am a reaper pogo person now

[lofty shell]

you should try beast, shaman and witch

[toxic vigil]

what is the room

[golden karma]

Diagonal pogos are one of the most fun things to do in this game

[hollow wharf]

That was like. A week ago

[rich herald]

Idk i don’t compare ranges like that

[marsh spoke]

For the start of fights thing my opinion is that Hunter is also better at that but Kind Of. NOt sure if were talking about the same thing BUT

[sharp slate]

to be fair its relatively peaceful this time

[golden karma]

Yeah that's fine I only hate on wanderer

[coarse leaf]

and it traumatized me for life gg 🤣

[toxic vigil]

New name

[marsh spoke]

You can like hit things with the nart before screams usually which is actually pretty good

[sharp slate]

I just hate hunters pogo for cogwork core its so trash

[patent heath]

Room filled with bunch of those flying flowers and spikes at floor and ceiling and small platforms.

[rich herald]

@patent heath 🐌

[dusky patio]

been a while

[golden karma]

Cogwork core gears are just really weird

[toxic vigil]

ok cogwork is like.
the 1 place where its a bit worse

[patent heath]

@rich herald hi queen.

[rich herald]

https://tenor.com/view/snail-gif-10110182939587959896

[toxic vigil]

uh screenshot?

[split umbra]

SHARPDART CAN KILL INVINCIBLE WORM GUYS???

[hollow wharf]

Peak gameplay twin

[sharp slate]

yea on my beast only playthrough it was tilting so bad

[craggy turret]

Reaper is good for platforming, hunter is good if you can no-hit everything, wanderer is for shredding, beast crest if you like violence, witch if you like bombing everyone, architect is good for everything, and shaman is an incorrect choice

[patent heath]

Don't have it right now. Rip.

[lofty shell]

people either love or hate hunter pogo
people mostly love wanderer pogo
people love reaper pogo 90% of the time
people hate architect pogo
people either love or hate beast pogo
people love witch pogo

what about shaman pogo?

[untold dune]

i like shaman pogo a lot

[patent heath]

Love.

[dusky patio]

shaman pogo is the one pogo im glad isnt in acts 1 and 2

[exotic cedar]

I like shaman pogo

[sharp slate]

shaman is cool pogo but so slowwwww

[dusky patio]

it wouldve been so broken

[craggy turret]

Shaman is fun but imo all the pros are outweighed by the bind

[placid citrus]

i love all pogos equally <3

[dusky patio]

it actually pushes you up even if you dont hit anything :D

[exotic cedar]

Bind is def not that bad

[sharp slate]

the bind feels so slow, it is slower right? i honestly dont know or if im used to injector band lol

[exotic cedar]

It feels slower for some reason

[dusky patio]

it is slower bc you cant bind until you hit the ground

[craggy turret]

I hate how it forces you to plummet to the ground

[placid citrus]

why? it looks cool af

[untold dune]

shaman bind is just hk heal

[supple rampart]

I am bouta cry because of the courier rasher quest bro, I just want to get my nail upgrade 😭😭

[craggy turret]

Better than not getting the muckmaggot until act 3

[exotic cedar]

Lock in

Silkspeed anklets might help

[supple rampart]

I'll just do it how I did delicate flower I guess, kill all mobs and then try it..

[supple rampart]

what are those

[craggy turret]

A tool found in far fields

[exotic cedar]

It increases your movement speed

[toxic vigil]

id say there are like 3 main types of pogo in this game:
normal diagonal: ( hunter, architect )
semi diagonal: ( witch, shaman )
down ( reaper, wanderer )
there is also beast pogo

[craggy turret]

I wanna see someone do the surface climb with beast

[torpid pebble]

im RICHHH

[toxic vigil]

you can sell the moss berries btw

[supple rampart]

also I beat GMS, but I cant see the game progression, did I do something wrong

[toxic vigil]

oh that would be HELL XD

[torpid pebble]

dont i need them?

[rich herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1449617318463410186/average_beast_crest_user.gif

[sharp slate]

based way to view it

[untold dune]

u need 3 for the tool but there are extras

[torpid pebble]

o

[untold dune]

7 total

[toxic vigil]

no i mean
first 3 is for druid eye
the next 3 you can sell
and after getting druid eye and selling 3 you can give the last one 7th to upgrade druid eye to druid eyes

[torpid pebble]

boutta buy out the entire shop

[toxic vigil]

and for me i just like down and semi diagonal pogos best, and beast at the bottom

[supple rampart]

I feel like people should use the beast crest to easily shred through the High Halls gauntlet, even if it might take a bit of time to get used to.

[native canyon]

how we doing today sk-discussion

[toxic vigil]

pogo discussion currently

[brave geyser]

hello shades :)

[sharp slate]

vibing, praticing any% stuff

[toxic vigil]

repost since relevant:

id say there are like 3 main types of pogo in this game:
normal diagonal: ( hunter, architect )
semi diagonal: ( witch, shaman )
down ( reaper, wanderer )
there is also beast pogo

[exotic cedar]

I'm busy being bored

[marsh spoke]

They should add an upwards pogo

[torpid pebble]

i guess im gonna go do high halls arena

[brave geyser]

Rn iam genuinenly losing my shit over rab nail only gpz

[supple rampart]

goodluck.

[torpid pebble]

ty

[toxic vigil]

oh my god.

[toxic vigil]

thank you for recomending me flintslate
not only did i like it on hunter, i also tried it on wanderer

[rich herald]

why would you ever put yourself through that

[hoary coyote]

no problem :3

[icy crow]

Time to get to Putrified Ducts in Steel Soul

[brave geyser]

I thought it was gonna be fun
It isn't. R04 is more fun than this cancerous bullshit.

[sharp slate]

pain

[exotic cedar]

Ab gpz is already pain enough

[icy crow]

Hi gamers

[exotic cedar]

Helo

[icy crow]

Hi (good) Apple

[rich herald]

r04 seems so much more fun than that

[brave geyser]

Yea because yknow ddive is actually fucking awesome

[rich herald]

like atleast you have dive and fireball

[brave geyser]

it's not nearly as broken as ddark but it looks sooo cool

[rich herald]

its ok i’m still working on rab nail only PV

[grizzled warren]

Stupid Songclave delivery got destroyed so I decided to kill every single enemy in the citadel

[toxic vigil]

also idk if i should use flintslate or fleabrew
both are 50%, but flea brew is 10 seconds and faster to use but its in attack speed and not damage

[rich herald]

to get prepared for irab pure vessel

[exotic cedar]

Why would you do this

[sharp slate]

god the speedrun.com website is such a slog to load sometimes

[exotic cedar]

Doing shit in ab is enough for me

[rich herald]

i like pure vessel enough to torture myself with it

Also i wanna do irab thk too for the funny

[exotic cedar]

Good luck

[toxic vigil]

so 1 cogfly is 50 damage
400 total
so i would need to get on average 6 or 7 ( fuckkkk ) hits with the needle to get the same amount of damage from it as cogflies

[wicked sandal]

omg its John KillEveryone Apple

[exotic cedar]

No im kind today

[rich herald]

theres 2 ash wanderer mains

[patent heath]

Hi Hollow.

[exotic cedar]

And tired and lazy

[brave geyser]

Look at this 😭 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283680756159741953/1463246132183433289/Screenrecorder-2026-01-20-20-56-51-764.mp4?ex=697121a7&is=696fd027&hm=a77c42c31aa9f7faeda35a8eb127d9657044c9412ffcec7aefc2a16626300755&

[rich herald]

hiiii jay

[wicked sandal]

ash wanderer main 2 I think we have to fuse

[sharp slate]

so based

[patent heath]

Crazy.

[sharp slate]

the wanderer maining is spreading

[patent heath]

I am in love with Greymoor and Moorwing......

[rich herald]

Like what are yoy even meant to do in this scenario

[rich herald]

BASED

[toxic vigil]

hi

[brave geyser]

Fuckin' die i guess

Not even dive would've saved my ass 😭

[rich herald]

greymoor and moorwing how i love you……

[toxic vigil]

wow.
nerf cogflies wtf 😭

[exotic cedar]

I am in love with lying in bed doing NOTHING

[patent heath]

Reallllll.

[wicked sandal]

shoutout yesterday when the cornest ballest pronoun hater came in arguing about pronouns lmao

[rich herald]

youre gonna have to be more specific thats like half of this server

[patent heath]

Today for me.

[wicked sandal]

shirtless anime man pfp triple christian emoji

[vivid mural]

what killed him there ?

[rich herald]

Yeah that seems like the type

[wicked sandal]

well I mean I guess it was technically today but it was before I went to sleep

[supple rampart]

the flying zoteling

[rich herald]

being chased by zotelings

[brave geyser]

My fucking phone said "fuck you and your 84 hit run die" (i need 108)

[patent heath]

I swear the mask shard room in Shellwood is so difficulty to do.

[wicked sandal]

you'd expect a game as queer as ss to have a queerer fanbase lmao

[ripe geyser]

Hunter’s March sucks ahh.

[patent heath]

I have tried to do it thrice. And I have died every single time.

[wicked sandal]

yyeahhh

[patent heath]

I should just get that mask shard later on, holy shit.

[wicked sandal]

yeah I did it when I had clawline

[brave geyser]

Yes i counted the hits don't mind me

[silver nacelle]

The one behind the parkour section?

[patent heath]

Yes.

[silver nacelle]

Huh. That's a new one.

[wicked sandal]

the real question is why does ping equal snail emoji mods pull up with the math

[craggy turret]

I just realized Grand Mother Silk will give a quiet whine after Lost Lace is defeated and falls into the void

[patent heath]

That shit's impossible with low gear.

[wicked sandal]

ooh yeah he got called a slur

[wicked sandal]

(this guy)

[silver nacelle]

It's programming, not math. The variable ping = 🐌

[patent heath]

Because I felt like it.

[wicked sandal]

beautiful

[supple rampart]

Am I the only dumbass who thought I had the evolved hunters crest and went guns blazing in the Last Judge fight thinking I was building up focus to deal more dmg? pls someone

[golden karma]

Pronoun hater and doesn't even omit all usage of pronouns in speech smh

[craggy turret]

Real talk, how would everyone react if one game Mister Mushroom's ending cutscene says The End instead of to be continued

[wicked sandal]

omg hi 175 hay stacks ^^4

[livid night]

Good cheap costumes that aren't cringe

[silver nacelle]

I mean, I'd say it's more of a hunter crest pogo issue. But I've done it rather easily on my first playthrough.

[wicked sandal]

bbad (also wouldn't make too much sense bc dlc)

[patent heath]

Idk.

[golden karma]

61 Vs 67: War of the Numbers

(Hello)

[wicked sandal]

it's two thousand twenty six

[livid night]

(Ello)

[brave geyser]

Least aggressive gpz opening

[golden karma]

We are draggings 67 to 2030 😂

[verbal steeple]

i didn't realize u could transform voltvessels lmao

[golden karma]

I don't really give a shit abt 67 just fun to ragebait random people here with it sometimes

[verbal steeple]

i thought those bola things were a different tool and got confused that i didnt get them in my 100% save file

[livid night]

Any good cheap not cringe costume ideas?

[verbal steeple]

i went to a video like 4 years ago

[wicked sandal]

.what?

[silver nacelle]

I wish there was a blue tool that changed forms.

[livid night]

What what

[icy crow]

Bro got what he deserved

[livid night]

Big w

[wicked sandal]

like do you mean silksong costumes ?

[sharp slate]

ghost

[icy crow]

Anyways... Broodhunt in Steel Soul

[wicked sandal]

mmmyeah ghost

[lusty grove]

this one didn't even do anything

[livid night]

Smth creative?

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer suckass

[icy crow]

All Slab flies should perish

[wicked sandal]

cunty traitor lord

[lusty grove]

are you perhaps Hornet?

[golden karma]

Wanderer suckass

[lusty grove]

I like Wanderer

[wicked sandal]

cries and dies and explodes

[lusty grove]

it's basically the Knight's moveset

[arctic epoch]

Lameass crest

[livid night]

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FAH

[lusty grove]

I like it

[wicked sandal]

did I stutter?

[lusty grove]

it's a good crest

so is every other crest

[golden karma]

....What?...Is this real?

[opal lodge]

reaper is better cus grimm moveset

[wicked sandal]

fine femboy quirel

[brave geyser]

If ai doesn't use team cherry's enemies code it's genuinely going to fail

[wicked sandal]

do femboy quirel if you don't like cunty traitor lord

[arctic epoch]

Your subjective preferences do not change the objectively designed identity of Wanderer it's plain as hell for such a strong crest

[sharp slate]

im tragically forced to use hunters crest for speedrunning any% atm so sad

[opal lodge]

dont do my boy quirrel like that

[lusty grove]

because all crests are equally good, and someone using a crest you don't like does not mean they're playing the game wrong or anything like that

[wicked sandal]

no it's /pos it'd express how hot he is

[livid night]

Rwym

[arctic epoch]

So i was right, that was a different ash. I thought my memories got me

[ripe geyser]

How tough is this enemy gauntlet?

[lusty grove]

that's what you think
other people might think Wanderer is a very fun crest to play with

[lofty shell]

not that bad

[icy crow]

Sigh here we go Broodhunt in Steel Soul

[golden karma]

What is /pos again

[wicked sandal]

positive connotation

[ripe geyser]

Aside from the run back.

[lusty grove]

I thought it was piece of shit

[arctic epoch]

• 0 techs
• 0 combos
• 18+i yellow slots

[opal lodge]

That time i got reincarnated as a femboy (starring quirrel)

[sharp slate]

there are two ash wanderer mains now, we propagate

[wicked sandal]

meow

[orchid locust]

positive connotation

[native canyon]

OH GOD THEY'RE MULTIPLYING

[opal lodge]

its fun to spam click and watch the enemies hp melt

[wicked sandal]

hello cool enby person

[arctic epoch]

Top 10 sentence, prolly

[native canyon]

hi

[lusty grove]

and?
some people like yellow tools

[wicked sandal]

dice :3c

[sharp slate]

tbf i main wanderers and i hate having 4 yellows all i need is two, its nice on early palythroughs though

[lusty grove]

just because you dislike them doesn't mean everyone else does too

[arctic epoch]

It's still lame asf

If yellow tools made the game fun, Wanderer could have been peak fiction

[sharp slate]

nail go brrrr so i like wanderers

[verbal steeple]

is the big flea found in the hunter journal

the journal icon popped up when i defeated it

[sharp slate]

the main problem is stuff like multibinder should have been yellow trust 😎

[wicked sandal]

yea

[verbal steeple]

but i can't find it

[native canyon]

weighted belt and what

[arctic epoch]

Do not sleep on sharp pendant

[wicked sandal]

afaik it's like at the very bottom

[sharp slate]

barbed braclet

[native canyon]

ah

[torpid pebble]

barber bracelet

[lusty grove]

some people like yellow tools
you don't
both of those are valid takes, but it is not valid to say one of them is objectively correct

[sharp slate]

or dice for challenge runs

[naive jasper]

i am crust king khanns #1 husband / hj

[toxic vigil]

weighted belt, dice and shell satchel ( steel soul only ) are good
also compass for exploration

[lusty grove]

magnetite dice

[native canyon]

dice is gonna be super good for anylace trust me

[toxic vigil]

why not in general
like what are you going to use other than that

[wicked sandal]

genuinely can't believe I didn't use weighted belt I totally shouldve

[exotic cedar]

Dice is overrated arghh

[verbal steeple]

what does hornet say about the big flea

[marsh spoke]

FUCK DICE

[arctic epoch]

I said "objectively designed identity" which is plain

And my subjective opinion is the word "as fuck"

So Wanderer crest is lame as fuck

[sharp slate]

i use it in general, but it doesnt do much at this point for me, its just eh

[verbal steeple]

i can't find it in the hunter journal even tho the icon popped up when i defeated it

[graceful oyster]

Ay caramba

[native canyon]

weighted belt barbed bracelet and shell satchel are the only yellow tools worth a damn

[brave geyser]

oh hey tom fuck you

[lusty grove]

why?

[native canyon]

silkspeed anklets are at least good for optimal movement ig

[marsh spoke]

STUPID FUCKING YELLOW TOOL THAT I HATE

[arctic epoch]

-# i sat upon this throne to see the peasants cast flame upon my castle

[lusty grove]

we have a blue tool focused crest and a red tool focused crest, why not a yellow tool focused crest?

[steep acorn]

silk

[lusty grove]

it's a really good tool with no downsides

[toxic vigil]

wanderer's issue is not focusing on yellow tools
its that yellow tools suck ass

[wicked sandal]

d. dice?

[toxic vigil]

opinion on carefree melody?

[lusty grove]

then that's not a Wanderer problem

[sharp slate]

some blues should be yellows imo

[marsh spoke]

STUPID FUCKING CHARM THAT I HATE

[native canyon]

it's a mediocre tool with no downsides there's a difference

[toxic vigil]

exactly what i said

[toxic vigil]

death sentence

[arctic epoch]

Because yellow tool barely do anything in late game and there is zero diversity in them unless you're hyper-fixated on augment tools like having a strong urge of constantly keeping your minecraft server restricted to vanilla+ mods

[thin tendon]

what do you guys think is the coolest area? For me, I’d say Memorium

[verbal steeple]

alright guys.... its time for me to... go to putrified ducts

[lusty grove]

yeah, Magma Bell should be yellow

[midnight ginkgo]

There’s just not enough GOOD yellow tools so I don’t know what do equip atp

[wicked sandal]

does coral tower count

[arctic epoch]

Sawtooth Circlet so ahh, it should have been yellow

[verbal steeple]

bilewater. both lore wise and platforming wise

[native canyon]

you're right circlet and volt should be yellow

[verbal steeple]

sharp shadow in green? fuck you

[lusty grove]

then that's not a Wanderer problem, thats a yellow tool problem

[toxic vigil]

is it just me who uses spell twister more than shaman

[sharp slate]

oh god xD

[thin tendon]

I’m not too sure on the lore of silksong. Although, I am still on act 2 so

[brave geyser]

Flukenest

[arctic epoch]

Yeah, but subsequently it made the crest lame (as fuck)

[steep acorn]

i can see king soul being irrelevant but the wayward compass needs to be in godhome

[lusty grove]

it has a chance of completely negating damage, how is that mediocre?

[thin tendon]

compass carried me through p3

[sharp slate]

to be fair wanderer also has 2 blue slots which is basically what other crests have

[arctic epoch]

Rng dependant and gets worse as you become better at game

[lusty grove]

also, you mentioned late game, but during early game, yellow tools are really useful

[native canyon]

cfm maxes at around a 90% chance
dice maxes at 10%

[marsh spoke]

I'm resorting this tierlist actually so wait for that

[thin tendon]

most likely. I’m a nail user

[lusty grove]

wait fr?

[native canyon]

and cfm isn't that good outside of like anyrad

[verbal steeple]

sharp shadow should be on mid

[arctic epoch]

You know which one has 3?

[toxic vigil]

like druid eye / eyes, warding bell, magma bell, snitch pick
and maybe spool extender

[midnight ginkgo]

Also I feel like equipping tools shouldn’t hinder you and that’s a big problem with yellow tools

[verbal steeple]

witch (trash)

[sharp slate]

witch which is bad late game anyway if you are talk about dps, its fun for tech thhough

[toxic vigil]

ngl i use steady body + strenght + quick slash + somenthing in 2 slots usually

[brave geyser]

I'd honestly not put magma bell in there

[raw pawn]

I WAS ABOUT TO GET 100% IN 30 HOURS BUT WAS 1 MIN LATE UGHHHH

[toxic vigil]

wait no i am stupid

thats 9 slots not 11

[midnight ginkgo]

Oof 💔

[silver nacelle]

Yellow tools are exclusively miscellaneous utility. Not really meant for combat (lorewise). Circlet and volt don't fit.

[lusty grove]

there are only 3 yellow tools with active downsides

[toxic vigil]

well usually like either:
melody grubsong
OR spell twister + somenthing 2 charm or shaman + grubsong

[arctic epoch]

Yes of course, some of them is useful, very so yet only one really do anything in combat. Which HK franchise is popularly known for

Well but of course, Silksong has been leaning on exploration more than its ancestor

[midnight ginkgo]

Fair but the downsides outweigh the benifits

[raw pawn]

Theif's mark, barbed bracelet and silkspeed anklets?

[lusty grove]

yup

[candid kayak]

silkspeed anklets... I guess that's technically a downside?

[native canyon]

I was joking 😭

[verbal steeple]

silk anklet barely has any downside

[silver nacelle]

;-; I'm sorry.

[arctic epoch]

I'm talking about the lameness of Wanderer for being so strong yet possess such a tasteless identity

[graceful oyster]

Bug report:

[candid kayak]

silk usage

[toxic vigil]

we got 4 only currencly yellows and 2 that are usually downsides
( also grip does NOTHING )

[verbal steeple]

its upsides outweigh the downsides

[candid kayak]

but barely

[verbal steeple]

you literally need to use it for 6 seconds for it to CONSUME a silk

[raw pawn]

Spider strings would have been cool if it let you use the needolin with using silk

[verbal steeple]

in a boss fight u will not be running for 6 SECONDS

[sharp slate]

its identify is the quick swing and silk gen, its a fun playstyle its just not for everyone

[verbal steeple]

and exploration wise? u dont need silk much anyway

[sharp slate]

cool if you dont like dont use it

[verbal steeple]

might aswell use it for SPEED

[rich herald]

i wish wanderer had nail turnarounds

[raw pawn]

Tbh why would you use anklets in bosses

[lusty grove]

I don't think the downsides are really that bad for some of them
I mean, thief's mark only has a chance of making you lose rosaries, anklets' silk loss is barely noticeable during combat, and you wouldn't use bracelet unless you're able not to get hit that often

[sharp slate]

i dont why people have to rag on it all the time

[toxic vigil]

down pogo.

[rich herald]

lowkey remove the crits and add back nail turnarounds

[silver nacelle]

I want everyone to know that the reason barbed bracelet is a yellow tool is because it's canonically a self torture device.

[lusty grove]

how... how is it related to yellow tools at all?

[toxic vigil]

in a boss fight u will not be RUNNING
a dash should be enough 99% of the time

[midnight ginkgo]

Fair but barbed bracelet shares a problem with fury of the fallen

[lusty grove]

ah, yes
the most common torture device of all, compass

[rich herald]

whats the problem with fury

[verbal steeple]

sometimes the extra speed of silk anklet can help in specific fights

[rich herald]

OP if you dont get hit?

[arctic epoch]

I'm spreading propaganda anyways but tbh, it doesn't even have turnarounds tech or something so insanely needle-based it's just swings

Which is why it had a bad aftertaste on me

[native canyon]

it's fun because the knight is fun

[midnight ginkgo]

Exactly

[raw pawn]

Egg of flealia is literally just weavelight but with a downside lmao

[lusty grove]

grip saved me during Groal's runback

[toxic vigil]

yeah.
though fury is 75% so its kinda goated regardless

[midnight ginkgo]

Sucks for casual players is the backbone of god gamers

[rich herald]

fury is like 3x stronger than bracelet regardless

[silver nacelle]

Yellow tools are miscellaneous utility. What else can you do when you're feeling a little masochistic?

[arctic epoch]

Witch's got a better pogo well depend on how you look at it

[waxen wind]

I just beat lost lace letsss gooo

[sharp slate]

please fucking now, turnarounds are horrible

[midnight ginkgo]

Sick dude

[rich herald]

ehhh i think new players would still find use out of fury if theyre not intending to play on 1 hp every time

[raw pawn]

I think they saw how fury got abused so they made the dmg increase 25% only

[sharp slate]

turnarounds are such boring fucking tech, i shouldnt have to do a gimmick for max nail swingspeed

[lusty grove]

...well, one could argue that self-torture is a form of combat, and therefore a tool useful during it should be blue

[silver nacelle]

I fully believe bracelet's main function is to double damage taken and the 25% damage buff is just an add on, not the opposite.

[sharp slate]

im having p5 speedrunning ptsd

[midnight ginkgo]

What do you think the sea of sorrow dlcs crest will believe

[arctic epoch]

Tech or slightly convenient way of coding? hmmmm

[midnight ginkgo]

Be like*

[silver nacelle]

No? Self torture isn't combat. You're not fighting anything.

[rich herald]

like i dont think its a super viable early game option compared to other charms like shaman stone but for those who are willing to accept that risk its payoff is huge

[lusty grove]

you're fighting yourself

and always winning

[toxic vigil]

alright i said this before:
3 main types of pogos and beast pogo which is just for freaks who either sweat or ppl who genuinly like it more
down, semi diagonal and diagonal
witch is semi diagnoal
i like down pogos best but which is fun too with its a bit different than usuall attack

[native canyon]

ngl I still can't wrap my head around them cause anytime I try it I fuck it up miserably

[rich herald]

also hiiiii @native canyon

[native canyon]

holly!

[plain fulcrum]

silksong puzzles

[silver nacelle]

That's not how it works. Unless it's an enemy I can hit with the needle, it ain't an enemy.

[arctic epoch]

Idk... i never seen wanderer's pogo as its strong identity

Just a nice addon

[tender wolf]

which crest should i MOSTLY use for all of my second playthrough thats not hunter or shaman

[verbal steeple]

brood mother steel soul complete

[marsh spoke]

New list

[arctic epoch]

Reaper

[rich herald]

crits are such a nothing burger gimmick anyways

[silver nacelle]

Owl and fowl.

[lusty grove]

you can hit yourself
it's a major plot point in Hollow Knight

[marsh spoke]

OOPS! Wrong image

[rich herald]

This fucking she/her

[tender wolf]

beast it is

[verbal steeple]

everybody should do a reaper run atleast once

[toxic vigil]

uh cursed

[verbal steeple]

so they can realize How HORRIBLE it is

[marsh spoke]

Here's the actual tierlist

[arctic epoch]

Yeah, to understand how FUXKING HORRENDOUS it is

[silver nacelle]

Idc. If I can't swing my needle at myself, it doesn't count.

[verbal steeple]

EXACTLY

[plain fulcrum]

source

[toxic vigil]

:(

[silver nacelle]

Bro, it really ain't that bad.

[lusty grove]

you're clearly biased
also Reaper is really good for beginners and it has the pogo that gives you the highest upwards momentum

[toxic vigil]

( crying in truth )

[verbal steeple]

i use reaper alot

i'd say that's the opposite of bias

[arctic epoch]

Hi, my name is Tom

[lusty grove]

"#1 reaper hater"

[tender wolf]

glowing womb is meta🤞

[lusty grove]

I use reaper a lot, and I like it

[toxic vigil]

i WOULD main reaper if it wasn't ass

[verbal steeple]

"|| mains reaper"

[silver nacelle]

My pondering orb.

[midnight ginkgo]

Good tier list I have one minor disagreement I personally like carefree more then shamen stone bc I do nail combat mostly

[verbal steeple]

well buddy not everyone likes something because they use it

[lusty grove]

I main reaper too, and I like it

[verbal steeple]

u liked it. i dont. its simple

[toxic vigil]

carefree is good ngl

[verbal steeple]

it's a thing called opinions

[lusty grove]

if you don't like it, why are you using it?

[pale ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

[arctic epoch]

I main pepple + spear

[silver nacelle]

Oh, wait. I forgot. Your personality switches depending on who you're trolling sometimes.

[lusty grove]

use something else

like idk, Beast
do you like Beast?

[plain fulcrum]

same reaper's goated

[verbal steeple]

i do use other stuff but reaper IS kinda fun

[lusty grove]

then why do you hate it?

[verbal steeple]

i dont like reaper in the sense how underpowered it is

[verbal steeple]

the bind is very eh-ish

[marsh spoke]

@orchid locust Do you have the i hate you image

[arctic epoch]

Ish-ish

[verbal steeple]

like seriously WHY do u lose the bind if u get hit

[verbal steeple]

it should be like beast

make it LOSE time if u get hit but not lose it completely

[lusty grove]

yeah that's kinda lame ngl

[verbal steeple]

the balls should have Some magnetic effect or just make the bind directly give u silk

[silver nacelle]

@verbal steeple, I wanna tell you of a funny reaper interaction I've seen on this channel.

Someone with the nickname "#1 reaper fan" said they prefer the witch crest.

[rich herald]

Is mine auraful

[verbal steeple]

that's funny

[lusty grove]

"the balls should have some magnetic effect" is a wild phrase out of context

[arctic epoch]

Reaper is the single presentation of how the lower class sweep upon their taken-by-force land, they necer actuallt reap anything. So they must suffer

-# or the crest is just fucking horrendous

[silver nacelle]

It was the day I knew reaper was screwed as a crest.

[verbal steeple]

Socrates is in chat

[lusty grove]

the crest is nice, but it's ok if you don't like it, cuz you should use what you like

[torpid pebble]

how dare u put wayward compass all the way down

[icy crow]

Finished exploring Putrified Ducts. I should get to explore Slab now

[verbal steeple]

lowkey no crest is bad

[torpid pebble]

wayward compass gives you 100% completion

[verbal steeple]

sometimes i hate because it's fun. but some crests do have actual issues

[torpid pebble]

beast crest

[lusty grove]

Kingsoul gives free soul, how does it do nothing in combat?

[arctic epoch]

Pepple + spear

[rich herald]

Everyone ever says this

[azure mist]

Just reached Act 67. What do I do?

[marsh spoke]

IDC about core hate but @leaden delta so we have a problematic dashmaster ranking

[rich herald]

You use kingsoul for like a total of 2 minutes

[orchid locust]

threw in a free bonus image

[lusty grove]

what's a pepple

[torpid pebble]

terrifiyng

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cheeseburgers-flying-cheeseburgers-video-video-of-flying-cheeseburgers-3d-gif-26433458

[midnight ginkgo]

Some are just severely underpowered

[arctic epoch]

THE IMAGE SPAM, AAAAA

[lusty grove]

you can just not go to the Abyss

[rich herald]

Plus also kingsoul gives 4 soul every 2 seconds it is NOT viable

[verbal steeple]

reaper and architect are like the opposite sides of eachother

reaper is fun and underpowered. architect is less fun but overpowered

and then there's wanderer

[lusty grove]

oh, yeah, it sucks, I forgot about that

[rich herald]

Oh my GOD

[verbal steeple]

which is like an inbetween space of schrodinger's crest

[real leaf]

why this is lowkey look like peanut but inverse

[lusty grove]

fun and overpowered, but never both at the same time

[marsh spoke]

Sorry twin i just cant stand my friend's favourite charm being slandered

[candid kayak]

ehh it's pretty basic

[rich herald]

What if i was pollip pouch and i spent every day of my life being slandered in this channel

[lusty grove]

it's the Knight's moveset

[marsh spoke]

but its
FREE
FUCKING
DAMAGE

[lusty grove]

nah, Pollip Pouch is cool

[rich herald]

Wait true

[lusty grove]

unless you're using one of the tools with a synergy with it, then it sucks

[rich herald]

I almost forgot about the
FREE
FUCKING
DAMAGE

[arctic epoch]

Being correctly and rightfully hated on and is actually underhated everyday in this channel* you mean

[leaden delta]

https://tenor.com/view/stupidfox-tails-nazotails-nazo-tailsnazo-gif-7735469245187609481

[rich herald]

STOP

[lusty grove]

how is free extra damage bad?

[midnight ginkgo]

Imagine pollip pouch but it’s like the infection and if you use plasmium phial you then turn into the hollow knight

[rich herald]

WHYIS NAZO HERE ENOUGH

[verbal steeple]

Nazo in the big 2026

the world is healing

[rich herald]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-gif-9709800945809453150

[lusty grove]

"but it's just 2 damage" MAGMA BELL IS USEFUL IN A TOTAL OF 2 SITUATIONS AND NO ONE SAYS A WORD

[verbal steeple]

BUT NO ONE HEARS A WORD THEY SAY

-# magma bell should be a yellow tool

[lusty grove]

TRUE

[leaden delta]

pollip is bad for the same reason dcrest is bad

[verbal steeple]

infact wreath of purity should be a yellow tool aswell

weave light actually aswell

[leaden delta]

well not the exact ssame reasons, but similar concept

[lusty grove]

...
wreath of purity should be yellow

[lusty grove]

damn, beat me to it

[leaden delta]

imagine if dcrest cost as much as qs

[hot aspen]

do you think cross stitch is good for boss fights? i tried it with some bosses and i think it's cool and makes fun but i wanna know about damage and mechanics

[leaden delta]

that's what pollip pouch is

[verbal steeple]

there's so many blue tools that would be way more useful in yellow tools

[lusty grove]

what's dcrest and qs?

[azure patrol]

I heard Hornet likes fluffy things

[rich herald]

defenders crest
quickslash

[rocky jolt]

no because at that point youre just making groals gauntlet a breeze if theres no risk of getting muckmaggotted

[native canyon]

finally team cherry balanced the charm system

[lusty grove]

if THIS (left) is yellow, then THIS (right) should be yellow too

[leaden delta]

ok woah

lets not overheat

[lusty grove]

it still does that while blue, wdym

[rocky jolt]

ok buddy you need to stop talking

[leaden delta]

going a lil too far there

[rocky jolt]

its better as blue because you actually have to sacrifice something

[untold dune]

well the left one is steel soul exclusive it has different balancing

[verbal steeple]

quick sling should make it only do ONE use

[rich herald]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-savage-beastfly-pain-gif-2966848518310440724

[lusty grove]

how?? they do basically the same thing (mess with how many tools you use)

[verbal steeple]

but maybe double the shells for repairs

[midnight ginkgo]

The hk and sk discussions are very different :

[rich herald]

We should REMOVE RED TOOLS. Architect users you're going needletect from now on

[native canyon]

we should go even further beyond sawtooth circlet is a yellow tool now

[worthy lintel]

I hate working with UI but I think this turned out pretty good

[lusty grove]

sacrifice what? a tool slot? when Vesticrest exists?

[graceful oyster]

No please no no no no not the yellows

[verbal steeple]

infact make everything a yellow tool

[midnight ginkgo]

Scalding hot take I like architects needle hits more then the ability

[verbal steeple]

remove blue tools

[graceful oyster]

Witch has ONE Yellow

[verbal steeple]

make the red tools yellow tools aswell

[untold dune]

yeah this looks nice

[verbal steeple]

make the silk skills yellow tools aswell

[lusty grove]

look, either they're both yellow or both blue

[verbal steeple]

make the crests yellow tools aswell

[green valve]

in this channel if your message isnt about lacenet no one with enough braincells will care

[verbal steeple]

make hornet a yellow tool aswell

[azure patrol]

We need a Hollow knight sequel starring the PaleKing

[rocky jolt]

yeah what about it youre still sacrificing 30% of your blue tools thats alot

[lusty grove]

Wanderer would be overpowered

[azure patrol]

Nah make it orange

[worn perch]

Karmelita done
Difficult but fun

[verbal steeple]

someone should make a schrodinger's tool

[verbal steeple]

the moveset of the tool is random

basically down pogo can turn into hunter and the next it turns into beast

[midnight ginkgo]

Until you use it

[graceful oyster]

You're a poet and you didn't even realize it!

[untold dune]

what u want is the crest shuffler mod

[verbal steeple]

OH wait no

[hot aspen]

here is an example

[leaden delta]

aight dawg

[verbal steeple]

actually the crest should change everytime u open the crest menu

[lusty grove]

still, theme-wise, Wreath of Purity fits better as a yellow tool
it's useless in combat 99% of the time while also giving a really useful buff during exploration

[untold dune]

yeah u just want crest shuffler mod

[verbal steeple]

basically if u enter the crest menu it can randomly make a crest that has different movesets from different crests

BUT u also KNOW what the movesets ARE

it's not FULLY random. it's only random when generating

basically when u look at it. you know what the moveset is

[worn perch]

Rhyme completely unintentional lol

[verbal steeple]

the moveset only changes in the crest menu

[rocky jolt]

i dont think a yellow tool should trivialize entire areas but ok

[green valve]

is the grass green?

[untold dune]

whats stopping you from just constantly rerolling until you get something op

[lusty grove]

you bind Lumble the Lucky's corpse in act 3 and get the Lucky Crest

[midnight ginkgo]

Once you know what it is it stays that way

[prisma jetty]

Calling me in the morning to apologise…

[verbal steeple]

if u do it 3 times in a row without having any enemy encounters John silksong comes in and kills you

and turns your save into a steel soul run

[silver nacelle]

Doesn't he die in act 2? Why can't I bind him then?

[verbal steeple]

so you immediatly lose it

infact make it infect your computer with a virus

[rocky jolt]

lumble is female btw

[untold dune]

u arent lucky enough

[green valve]

no hes male

[native canyon]

sonia what the fuck is this