sk-discussion

[wide ferry]

Hunter straight up has less range tho

[fervent forge]

?!?!?!?!

[verbal steeple]

doesn't hunter actually have the same range as wanderer with some of its moves?

[sharp slate]

the fact that I see peopel insult wanderer users when they are signifcantly less skilled then me is funny

[coarse leaf]

yes it's true

[fervent forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255903627328098374/1396815609525829703/attachment.gif

[charred tiger]

I kinda hate shaman bind

[short hill]

No???

[hollow abyss]

I don't mind it. I just like attacking fast. If there was an amulet of attacking faster i'd prolly use hunter or witch

[strange knot]

Crest discourse again

[sharp slate]

im honestly starting to get more eltist the more i see this chat

[verbal steeple]

would it be skong if there wasn't any discourse?

[charred tiger]

Sk players when they just try to prove they are showerless :

[light swan]

why are you surprised hunter has less range than wanderer

[coarse leaf]

it's genuinely true, look it up on the wiki lol

[wide ferry]

It's just the width of the crest for wanderer which is worse, hunter has less range though

[compact hemlock]

we should have mount fay chapter 1 discourse instead

[verbal steeple]

every crest is horrible and u guys should only like MY crest

[hollow abyss]

Im not considering which is easier to land, just speed

[strange knot]

Chat should be named: crest-discussion

[verbal steeple]

we need a crest-discussion fr

[coarse leaf]

the only correct take

[quartz gulch]

It should also deal 15%—20% more base needle damage, and have faster, unblockable strikes while in focus. The silk balls could also be removed, giving the silk directly, but I find that less interesting.

[wide ferry]

True

[strange knot]

Forsaken city is so good

[fervent forge]

if you want fast attack then learn a fucking combo dude, some shih including harpoon and sawtooth, maybe even some silk skills, even reaper with sawtooth reset is faster than wanderer

[verbal steeple]

i wanna hate on reaper crest without filling up this chat for actually serious people

[compact hemlock]

not what i mean broken heart emoji

[verbal steeple]

crest-discussion

[icy crow]

What's even going on here

[rugged solstice]

idk i mean i used Reaper for like 10 TLJ attempts then i switched to Wanderer and defeated TLJ first try 🤷‍♂️

[light swan]

let people have fun with wanderer bruh

[sharp slate]

it doesnt work like that lmfao

[fringe scaffold]

equip shower crest already jeez

[coarse leaf]

wait, isn't that just beast bind

[quartz gulch]

Yeah, but I'm faster when I don't have to calculate the angle the entire time.

[charred tiger]

Crest racism

[hollow abyss]

This was the last reason i chose to main wanderer

[sharp slate]

i know how to do hunters combos as well

[icy crow]

Ban everyone

[unkempt hawk]

Am I the only person who got actually scared when hornet was about to pierce the abyss

[strange knot]

Witch crest is so trash. You can’t even hit the bind. The range is so small.
WITCH
SUCKS

Hunter crest is so trash. You can’t even use its ability! How can you stay no hit when
everything is dealing 2x damage
HUNTER
SUCKS

Shaman crest is so trash. You can’t even heal! Bosses don’t have openings for ground healing!!!
SHAMAN
SUCKS

Beast crest is so trash. You can’t even pogo! How can you do something harder than straight down pogo???
BEAST
SUCKS

Reaper crest is so trash. You can’t even melt bosses with spamming attacks! How can this even be playable
REAPER
SUCKS

Wanderer crest is so trash. There are 3 yellow slots!! How can I play without cogflies and tacks???
WANDERER
SUCKS

Architect crest is so trash. You need to spend 50 minutes grinding shards after one attempt!!!
ARCHITECT
SUCKS

And I’m not bad at the game! I 112%d hk so silksong is just bad because I cant cheese every boss with ddark!!

My crest slander text wall!

[verbal steeple]

i don't think it should be just a different version of beast like that

[coarse leaf]

oh my god it takes the entire chat lol

[short hill]

SHUTUPABOUTWITCHITISPEAK

[fervent forge]

explain yourself

[hollow abyss]

For me it just comes down naturally, but in a TAS i think the fastest one is beast for mobility

[sharp slate]

You can't apply hunter combos in the same way as wanderers fast swing, its not completely transferrable

[strange knot]

Agreed. My main crest

[verbal steeple]

but i think the balls for reaper should give half silk instead of a 1/3

[rugged solstice]

i love how the portrayed "negatives" for Wanderer are just benefits

[icy crow]

Life if Hollow Knight Community accepted each others preferences and did not fucking shit over the gameplay style of others

[verbal steeple]

if reaper crest makes u do less damage. make it cause the enemy to do less damage to you overrall aswell

[sharp slate]

damn we wanderers players are so lame

[quartz gulch]

Nope. The base damage should always be increased, to make the dps valid. Faster hits are beast-inspired, as are the unblockable attacks and focus not being removed upon being hit (though the last point isn't good for balancing).

[dawn needle]

100% steel soul yippee

[verbal steeple]

reaper should have a DEFAULT base damage increase

[sharp slate]

Congrats!

[verbal steeple]

not locked behind a bind

[charred tiger]

Tbh i beat lost lace with every crest and i just like the reaper gameplay more
Not saying reaper is better
Just that it's the one that fits my gameplay the most and i like it

[dawn needle]

And mr mushroom wish completed too

[short hill]

I gotta say sharpdart with volt filament is peak
But not the range of wanderer, I like wanderer but the range is trash even with long claw

[sharp slate]

thats completely fair tbh

[verbal steeple]

the bind shouldn't increase attack speed since the point of reaper is slow precise attacks

[hollow abyss]

Witch is the showerless crest. I honestly just don't like witch cus sometimes when i pogoe'd i would phase through the enemy and get hit

[strange knot]

Well, every crest can land one hit before karmelita screams, wanderer can land 2. So it’s all clearly because of attack speed

[verbal steeple]

actually what if reaper had a crit mechanic similar to wanderer's

[short hill]

Then get better at pogoing buddy
Or just use the sprint attack that hits enemies twice

[quartz gulch]

It isn't though. It is far more usefull for a larger variety of situations, and it would make the crest actually good. And how is it a beast clone? The focus was always like that from the start (as in, it was always this specific type of focus).

[fervent forge]

wanderer is fast with pure needle hits, but because its pogo has more frames where you cant hit an enemy (even by resetting with a dash or a jump) you cant really do much combos with it, but hunter has the most combo variety because you can continue after pogo with an attack from the top, or doing a dash reset into hitting from behind

[sharp slate]

funny enough beast can land 2 as well due to its upwards swing arc

[verbal steeple]

instead every time u hit an opponent there's a 10% chance u gain 2 silk and do like 15% more damage?

or something along that line.

[compact hemlock]

I HAAAAAATE beast crest jump storage tech that's the only bad thing about beast crest methinks

[strange knot]

-# skill issue

[short hill]

Reaper also has an upswing arch

[light swan]

omg look at mine

[sharp slate]

yea, but 18% swing reduction prevents 2 hits on karm

[verbal steeple]

oh shit we giving wanderer crest footage? sign me up

[short hill]

O

[charred tiger]

And architect has the worst pogo imo

[short hill]

Y E S

[void moat]

make reaper do piercing damage or something

[compact hemlock]

but to be fair beast crest is the only crest to have a storage jump in the first place so... best crest ever?!?!?! /j

[sharp slate]

noice

[charred tiger]

Why is it horizontal

[sharp slate]

i have trauma still from using sawtooth on karm due to her walk forward triggering if you jump in front of her lol

[quartz gulch]

Nope. You just don't like it.

[short hill]

W
H
Y
N
O
T

[sharp slate]

i gotta run though, back to work :/

[icy crow]

Architect's pogo is basically Hunter but you can ""charge"" it

[dawn needle]

Why did I only get the mr mushroom achievement and not the two 100% achievements

[charred tiger]

That's why i said imo

[graceful oyster]

[wide ferry]

Give reaper an insta-kill mechanic where after you collect all the balls for the bind, your next hit instakills an enemy(for bosses just do 4x damage)

[strange knot]

Good luck!

[verbal steeple]

35 second shakra fight with wanderer's crest

[hollow abyss]

Nah, it isn't abt skill. Every time the enemy was flying upwards and I pogo'ed i would land the pogo but get hit in the process. It isn't a big deal but it was surely annoying

[dawn needle]

is it just a quirk of the gamepass version

[icy crow]

You get them on the percentage screen iirc

[light swan]

me too jts so painful

[quartz gulch]

You can charge it. The entire crest is basically just tools, even the attacks. The pogo is just a sideways delvers drill and the needle strike even gives tool kills.

[dawn needle]

Oh does it not count them as an actual achievement
just an ingame one

[short hill]

W
H
Y
N
O
T

[fervent forge]

shaman or reaper + sawtooth, pogo and jump spam can melt any boss thats big in size, you might just have to damage tank a hit or two (or none if you know how to time a cross stitch / sharp dart)

[hollow abyss]

Not really cus it really only when it was a flying enemy with a big hitbox. Like the "dragons" from bilewater

[icy crow]

All three 100% achievements are achievements on their own

[storm bone]

I beat silk mother
while cursed 😎
my auto save is before Lace
so im gonna have to do lace 2 AND silk mother again lol

[dawn needle]

There's 3?

[quartz gulch]

I don't know what it means, someone said it stood for "yeah".

[short hill]

Silkmother?????????

[charred tiger]

Rune rage isn't that bad

[strange knot]

I actually don’t know how tf you got hit by them

[dawn needle]

Welp
I can say my first time 100%ing Silksong was on Steel Soul
And it took me a total of 31h 55min

[icy crow]

Speed completion, base completion and Steel Heart

[charred tiger]

"in my opinion"

[quartz gulch]

Rune rage is the ultimate crowd control.

[fervent forge]

before she became a grandmother

[verbal steeple]

rune rage more like rune shit

[hollow abyss]

Phased through them while pogoing.

[verbal steeple]

smh

[quartz gulch]

That actually makes much more sense then.

[dawn needle]

Oh I got the steel heart and base 100%
for some reason you get the mushroom one before the credits roll

[verbal steeple]

rune rage is like deltarune. they're both mid

[icy crow]

We should ban people who start crest discourses here

[hollow abyss]

Basically i pogo'ed and they followed the movement upwards of hornet

[verbal steeple]

i agree. clearly everybody should stop discoursing and just use my favorite crest

[hollow abyss]

Because witch actually makes u phase through during the pogo

[dawn needle]

I wish there was a title screen you got for 100%ing the game

[strange knot]

Never happened with me

[storm bone]

Sigh... ah shit here we go again

[compact hemlock]

ok lowkey i think i got beast crest jump storage, congratulate me

[short hill]

Shut
The
Hell
Up

[icy crow]

It's supposed to be like that yeah, it unlocks around the time the cutscene plays

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/average-witch-crest-speed-kill-gif-16326558384304353968

[short hill]

:)

[hollow abyss]

He totally wrong. Rune rage sucks

[verbal steeple]

true

[icy crow]

That's speedrunner, not speed completion

[charred tiger]

Sk players when opinions

[short hill]

What I’m saying is the deltarune thing is wrong it is beyond peak its space itself

[fervent forge]

ive got all achievements except steel soul one, just got speed completion today

[verbal steeple]

opinions? is that another word for being wrong?

[compact hemlock]

nevermind i did NOT get it

[storm bone]

yea but I gotta do it regardless

[hollow abyss]

It is good. Not peak but it is good

[strange knot]

wtf is opinion. All I know is ragebait

[verbal steeple]

this isn't even ragebait

[icy crow]

The only obstacle is pretty much High Halls

[verbal steeple]

this is just Rage

[fervent forge]

anyways ima make a full verified rating of almost everything in silksong, this will be the only true ranking

[hollow abyss]

Having said this
Best limeup for e33 is maelle mono and lune no cap

[verbal steeple]

e33? dogshit mentioned!!!

[hollow abyss]

Better than silksong imo

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[icy crow]

BG3 better than E33 btw

[quartz gulch]

......sure...................................

[wide ferry]

Bro the awards are over, let it go😭

[verbal steeple]

if E33 is so good

why did they make thirty three E's?

[hollow abyss]

Never played bg3 so i can't discuss

[verbal steeple]

they mustev failed at the first thirty two

because the game is trash

[quartz gulch]

E33 is such a fake indie game, doesn't even cost less than thirty euros.

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/herbert-the-cat-gif-25782017

[hollow abyss]

The joke would be funnier if u said first sixty seven's Es

[icy crow]

<@&283547423706447872> bro thinks he's funny

[verbal steeple]

pinging mods????

[silent mural]

let's see if this true

[verbal steeple]

everybody hide

[hollow abyss]

Expedition 33 non ironically predicted the six seven meme

🙌

[strange knot]

How

It’s 33

[icy crow]

67 is long dead. It's just a regular number again

[verbal steeple]

i don't think kids are stupid for doing 6 7. i mean 69 was a thing. but that doesn't mean i don't HATE IT

[hollow abyss]

There were 67 expeditions before expedition 33

[rocky jolt]

67 years ago

[strange knot]

Oh

[fiery burrow]

I beat E33 like an hour ago

Good game

[verbal steeple]

great

now u can delete that trash and play hytale

[rocky jolt]

Ok

[hollow abyss]

Only did till act 2 need to finish act 3 now

[fiery burrow]

I heard Hytale is similar to T*rraria

[verbal steeple]

-# i didn't play hytale

[hollow abyss]

Hytale seems quite booring

[fiery burrow]

Good luck

[icy crow]

(it barely is)

[verbal steeple]

eh i heard its quite good. its like apparently different than minecraft

[quartz gulch]

It's a clone of Lego Fortnite anyway. (I hate fornite btw, it fucking sucks ass.)

[hollow abyss]

Precciate it

[verbal steeple]

saying hytale is similar to terraria probably like saying roblox and minecraft is the same thing

[hollow abyss]

I don't really like playing minecraft. I enjoy watching it tho

[dawn needle]

fr

[fiery burrow]

But then what excuse do I have not to play it

[strange knot]

Should I give terraria another shot btw

[verbal steeple]

i don't like vanilla minecraft. tho MODDED is a different thing

have you SEEN the mods minecraft players make?

[dawn needle]

Hytale is closest to Minecraft, and is made by the people who run Hypixel

[quartz gulch]

People just assume something is a Minecraft clone, when it has literally the similarities of Zoat and Garmond. MINECRAFT DIDN'T FUCKING INVENT BLOCKS.

[strange knot]

Modded is way more fun

[dawn needle]

Was once made by idk who

[icy crow]

I mean just play the early access build if you have money and build up a solid opinion lol

[verbal steeple]

these mfs will make a tech mod involving chemistry and let u make huge factories to produce polyetheylene

[hollow abyss]

Yeah they are great but i got no patience to learn abt them

[verbal steeple]

fair

[fiery burrow]

That requires playing it

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/modded-modded-minecraft-minecraft-draconic-evolution-cardboard-gif-10489911750658453176

[quartz gulch]

I have seen, and I don't like what I saw.

[icy crow]

Watch gameplay videos

[icy crow]

Evil ass cardboard box

[verbal steeple]

anyways

[icy crow]

I should probably start Phoenotopia: Awakening this weekend

[verbal steeple]

time to start a steel soul run and die to sinners road

[fiery burrow]

From what I've seen it seemed a little bit all over the place in terms of gameplay

Didn't look unfun though

[icy crow]

I pulled through Sinner's Road with only six masks in my Steel Soul run, wasn't that bad

[verbal steeple]

y'know its kinda weird

[quartz gulch]

This chat?

[verbal steeple]

everything is weird

[ripe geyser]

SILK HEART GET!

[icy crow]

The Hytale lore is crazy

[verbal steeple]

its like we're in some sort of. weird route.

[fervent forge]

BEST CREST
1 hunter
2 wanderer
3 beast
4 shaman
5 architect
6 witch
7 reaper

BEST BOSS
1 phantom
2 first sinner
3 lost lace
4 tormented trobbio
5 last judge
6 karmelita
7 widow

BEST SILK SKILL
1 cross stitch
2 sharp dart
3 pale nails
4 threadstorm
5 silkspear
6 rune rage

BEST TOOL
1 cogflies
2 sawtooth circlet
3 volt filament
4 conchcutter
5 magnetite dice
6 tacks

BEST NPC
1 sherma
2 sherma
3 sherma
4 shakra
5 the couriers
6 grindle

[verbal steeple]

wtf

[icy crow]

Is that a Deltarune reference

[verbal steeple]

yeah

[rocky jolt]

most npc rankings ever

[strange knot]

3 Shermas😭

[fervent forge]

no one can make it to a top 3 with him

[icy crow]

But are you aware of what happened in the Isilugar Depths?

[fervent forge]

so i put him as all 3

[strange knot]

Witch slander shouldn’t be tolerated

[marsh spoke]

what a completely wrong list

[icy crow]

Why does it feel like all games I own in Steam are like obscure to the breaking point

[night ruin]

Witch nuke inbound

[fervent forge]

what a completely wrong opinion

[timber beacon]

this list is wrong,you put tormented trobbio on 4

when infact he should be NOWHERE

[icy crow]

That list is wrong, there's no Awakened Sherma superboss in it.

[night ruin]

Aw damn more reaper hate. This chat sure likes its reheated leftovers

[fervent forge]

"how did you guess i can only fight bosses with a big hitbox and not fun ones"

[icy crow]

Someday I'll make an Awakened Sherma superboss mod trust me

[rocky jolt]

i guess you can say... they are obscure... clair... clair obscur...

[marsh spoke]

sherma in top 3 renders the rest of that disappointment of a list obsolete anyway

[timber beacon]

"how did you get i am an lame fuck for putting words on their mouth?*

[icy crow]

Have you ever heard of Iconoclasts? I guess not

[night ruin]

Life as a reaper main is great when there isn’t a sweat in your ear crying about dps

[timber beacon]

OH FUCK YEAH DUDE

i love iconoclasts

[icy crow]

Heard of Phoenotopia: Awakening? I suppose no

[rocky jolt]

people only like sherma because m-m-muh wholesome tiny cute little bean character

[marsh spoke]

Pleaaaaaaaaaaaase it does the leaaaaaaaast nail dps if you use it we need to kill youuuuuuuuuuu

[mortal bluff]

Delvers drill feels more like a deepdocks tool than an underworks tool imo

[timber beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/mother3-mother-earthbound-onilsalvador-captain-underpants-gif-21598250

[verbal steeple]

have yall ever heard of joe

[fervent forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-clip-that-jarvis-meme-meme-jarvis-correct-their-grammar-gif-8115172700977195416

[icy crow]

The Ferrier Shockwood experience

[timber beacon]

jarvis,correct them grammer*

[icy crow]

(One million puzzles)

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/ffix-final-fantasy-9-final-fantasy-vivi-garnet-gif-1844184830075216017

[verbal steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1443697820442820688/1460309146049056912/caption.gif

[quartz gulch]

Cool opinion. Where's the tier list though?

[timber beacon]

get stuck inside on the tower

[marsh spoke]

anyway numbered lists are stupid just make a tierlist or something

[icy crow]

Silver Watchman: (goku stare)

[night ruin]

Reaper is fun for comfy play. Not everything needs to be optimized.

[timber beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-easter-śmigus-dyngus-dyngus-day-throw-water-celebration-gif-16838652

[fervent forge]

if you disagree with THIS list then its neither cool of an opinion nor a list 🙏

[verbal steeple]

i would seriously rather play cursed than reaper

[unkempt hawk]

What

[verbal steeple]

anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. and isn't real

[quartz gulch]

Sorry, what?

[icy crow]

Quite a bummer that Silver Watchman was the only boss that actually required parrying to damage him honestly

[manic schooner]

yall are still on it i see

[unkempt hawk]

But u are somewhat justified

[night ruin]

In a world where people just played the crests the like and nobody cared… I dream of this world sometimes.

[verbal steeple]

gotta spread the hate

[marsh spoke]

yeah i disagree with the list because it's both 1) wrong and stupid and 2) you're annoying. Goodbye!

[timber beacon]

agreed but it didn't overstay it's welcome

i think top 10 best tool is tack

[verbal steeple]

i can't stop till everyone knows of reaper hate

[timber beacon]

and buzzsaw

[night ruin]

I want better for you

[verbal steeple]

then stop using reaper

[fervent forge]

explain whats wrong with it tho, im ready to argue

[icy crow]

Best part of the game for me personally was the Omega Controller chase sequence and the boss fight against its core after

[quartz gulch]

I want worse for you

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-gif-20374472

[verbal steeple]

then use reaper

[fervent forge]

i mean yeah its the overall worst but it can be useful in some situations or bosses

[timber beacon]

agreed

[verbal steeple]

every single time u use reaper a single cat cries

[verbal steeple]

is it really worth the cost?

[untold urchin]

what is moss grotto was the remnants of ||verdania||?

[manic schooner]

we are not ficsit my guy

[marsh spoke]

i want better for you. Stop playing silksong and play better video games

[night ruin]

Reaper killed my grandma ok

[fervent forge]

no

[bitter briar]

Reaper crest moment

[unkempt hawk]

“No cost too great”

[icy crow]

I would've tried to do a perfect 100% in the one-hit mode if Fitzroy wasn't such a prick with his attacks

[verbal steeple]

Reaper is the one who was controlling genocide frisk. Reaper is the one who put all the blame on chara

[fervent forge]

any cost is too great for maining reaper 🙏

[bitter briar]

I think bro hates reaper

[verbal steeple]

Reaper is the one who did the weird route

[timber beacon]

every single time you use reaper a single elitist cries an river and makes an forest.

[manic schooner]

guy. you can stop now

[unkempt hawk]

“No cake day too great”

[prisma jetty]

Starting HK again feels so easy

[verbal steeple]

alright i'll stop

[prisma jetty]

But idk where to go-

[bitter briar]

[unkempt hawk]

My steel soul run in a nutshell

[verbal steeple]

pantheon 5 all binding hitless

[fervent forge]

steel soul run??

[strange knot]

The fuck

[icy crow]

Where the Roads Cross > Where the Path becomes Green

[night ruin]

Besides everybody knows real pro gamers switch up crests depending on what they feel like.

[bitter briar]

Hornet is void

[marsh spoke]

Sighhhhhh this server is so boring when everyone I know is dead

[unkempt hawk]

Yea

[prisma jetty]

So I took every detour imaginable

[fervent forge]

https://tenor.com/view/tourist-moogus-jojo-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-jjba-gif-7078882432445724610

[night ruin]

The real winners of crest discourse are people who don’t onetrick

[prisma jetty]

Great.

[fervent forge]

jojo reference

[verbal steeple]

the best crest to switch between is naked and cursed

[bitter briar]

Another reason why emoji movie is trash

[icy crow]

Greenpath > Enter the Complex of Bubbles

[serene stump]

how the hell am I supposed to do the flea games

[bitter briar]

The real winners of crest discourse are the people who sit and watch

[wide ferry]

True, I love beast, wanderer, hunter, and shaman so much man

[fervent forge]

bind seth

[serene stump]

what

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/ZaVileBob/status/2011556997783830718

🌼 Miquella D. kind 🌼 (@ZaVileBob)

BREAKING: Zohran Mamdani will FORCE children to use wanderer crest.

X · Jan 14, 2026, 9:52 PM

[strange knot]

Will we get warriors crest

[timber beacon]

i think beast is s tier

[verbal steeple]

real ones know u can get a date by sending ( -_•)▄︻テحكـ━一💥

[fervent forge]

my lawyer advised me not to say what i was about to

[icy crow]

"Oh that's Fred. He's a pretty chill guy"

[strange knot]

[verbal steeple]

what crest would freddy use

[wide ferry]

"They put stuff in the water which turns them into WANDERERS"

[marsh spoke]

Witch crest is the best crest but the reason will surprise you

[fervent forge]

bear

[icy crow]

Spooky scary crest

[verbal steeple]

foxy would use wanderer because he likes being fast

[night ruin]

This only works if youre not ugly

Y’all be safe tho

[verbal steeple]

mangle would use witch crest because its the closest to a bunch of tangled wires u can get

[rocky jolt]

what relation does the wanderer crest bug have with the pilgrims

[marsh spoke]

even me 😢

[wide ferry]

Springtrap for sure would be a reaper main

[verbal steeple]

that's why he's evil

[fervent forge]

leader of the group (my opinion)

[night ruin]

Broh please we gotta move past this

[manic schooner]

no crest is trash

[quartz gulch]

BEST CREST:
How effective a crest really is, doesn't involve the crest. It is the player that decides which crest they can use best, hence the crest list is alwayss subjective.
Furthermore, you have to take into account when you can actually reach the crest, as shaman wouldn't help you with Lace for example.
BEST BOSS:
All bosses in Silksong are S and A tier, with the exception of Shakra, Garmond (didn't fight yet, but heard of it) and Pale Stag. All bosses in Hollow Knight are S—C, except for Marmu and Sly.
BEST SILK SKILL
These are extremely situation dependant:
Rune Rage—crowd control
Threadstorm—flying and projectile-based enemies
Sharp Dart—avoiding specific situations, allowing to avoid mistakes being punished
Silkspear—direct and effective damage, against both single and multiple enemies
Pale Nails—damage that is dealt without requiring you to focus on hitting the target/s, mostly usefull against flying enemies
(continue in another message)

[fervent forge]

enter reaper

[verbal steeple]

crest discourse will never end

( -_•)▄︻テحكـ━一

[fervent forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809806310395871242/1421670679178383420/togif.gif

[manic schooner]

i also dislike reaper, still
i do not hate on it

[marsh spoke]

All crests are bad everything in this game is bad stop playing the game you're wasting your time

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hunter-crest-jjk-gif-441192226714479761

[rich herald]

@marsh spoke

[wide ferry]

At worst, every crest is viable
It's not like other game's where the power gap is ridiculous

[verbal steeple]

if u do not like something then u MUST hate on it. if u don't. then you're not a real hater

[marsh spoke]

@rich herald @rich herald @rich herald

[night ruin]

Reaper has its uses. It’s just not ideal for boss speedruns which is something some people have been brainwashed into thinking is the only way to enjoy Silksong for some reason

[rocky jolt]

if you dont use the GREEN CREST do not talk to me

[verbal steeple]

yes i'm gate keeping dislikeness

[manic schooner]

you guys needa grow up

[rich herald]

hiiii

[marsh spoke]

Let's get out of here this place sucks

[rich herald]

whats happening

[manic schooner]

ill follow

[marsh spoke]

Everything discourse

[verbal steeple]

average sk chat

can we discourse about water

[rich herald]

oh

[prisma jetty]

Thank you

[wide ferry]

Crest racism.

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/moist-moistcritikal-moistcrit1kal-penguinz-penguinz0-gif-6970813881893662375

[verbal steeple]

do u guys like water

[strange knot]

It’s crestism

[icy crow]

If moderators were GOOD this channel would be locked up

[night ruin]

I’m trying to quell the discourse but honestly it’s just draining me

[strange knot]

Yep. It’s the best drink easily

[marsh spoke]

So for this reason WE (me and you) are going out of here and leaving EVERYONE here to die

[fervent forge]

the best way to enjoy this game are achievements and soundtracks, i dont think the game itself is more fun than original hollow knight

[verbal steeple]

i disagree

[rocky jolt]

if me,,, mo d.,.. this would n t happern.

[icy crow]

I can make up a general area waypoint list if you want

[night ruin]

People can hate whatever they want but when they start acting like their playstyle is objective I get annoyed

[verbal steeple]

water is mid tbh tbh. milk is better

[prisma jetty]

No it’s okie

[rich herald]

bet

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/sneezelo-archive-gif-19762216429233008

[fervent forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255903627328098374/1396815609525829703/attachment.gif

[strange knot]

Water is good cuz everything else is depending on it

[verbal steeple]

nah

[icy crow]

Let's kill everyone here and revive them in the Underworld

[night ruin]

Aw rip the cool ppl left

[strange knot]

And the taste isn’t bad either

[verbal steeple]

poop water is water. that's why water sucks

[night ruin]

Welp might as well kms

[rocky jolt]

can we just have an archer crest already

[verbal steeple]

water involves everything that is water.

which involves everything that is bad

[quartz gulch]

TOOLS:
The best tool, once again, is very playstyle dependant. Additionally, comparing tools of different colours isn't appropriate, as they just can't be ranked the same.
BEST NPC:
The most subjective list yet, for example I don't hate Kratt as much as others. If I were to objectively consider your NPC's, Grindle is already not on the list. He's a thief, he doesn't return favors and he's just generally an asshole. He is the equivalent of liking Zoat. I don't critisize it, but there isn't much arguing that it is actually reasonable.

[wide ferry]

Could be interesting, but what special ability would it have?

[white sequoia]

Guys i did a run with all the OSTs in order 😎

[quartz gulch]

How disgusting this AI symbol is

[verbal steeple]

pale nails but instead its a bunch of arrows

[rocky jolt]

we need a clawline crest

[strange knot]

It means ai?? I thought it’s just a random symbol. Ew

[wide ferry]

I could see that being a charged attack. Pretty cool idea

[quartz gulch]

Lies, you didn't start with the title theme.

[white sequoia]

I did the whole game then reset to the beginning

[quartz gulch]

Pretty sure the stupid sparkles stand for AI.

[quartz gulch]

Nevermind, you did good.

[strange knot]

Makes sense

[verbal steeple]

imagine clashing but instead you're clashing with projectiles

[fervent forge]

youre talking on a purely 1 topic : anyone can decide anything, which i completely disagree with cuz there are the basics, the fundmentals, some things you cant change, rune rage as an idea is good, but youre too vulnerable and not that goood of coverage to be worth using over anything else, and the same with anything that ive put low (also for the bosses, these are the top 7 ones, not a single one is bad, but some are better than others)

[terse cloak]

CAAAAAALLLLLCCCCIIIIUUUM

[verbal steeple]

anyone who uses a crest should acknowledge its weakness

[fervent forge]

a boss has some ways to rate it out of 10 to know whats good or bad
soundtrack, fight, runback, reward

[plain fulcrum]

man I knew I should've keep crust king to the end this was fucking phenomenal

[fervent forge]

for example, my rating for phantom

[strange knot]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-6069929492524291916

[terse cloak]

me who uses ALL CRESTS

[wide ferry]

Also I swear there was supposed to be a SENTINEL crest, but team cherry forgot. Wdym that pinstress and 2nd sentinel have a charged attack which no other crest has?

[terse cloak]

why stick to one, why limit yourself

[white sequoia]

Where is this??

[fervent forge]

10/10 OST
9.5/10 fight
10/10 runback
10/10 reward

[strange knot]

I use all crests except wanderer and architect

[fervent forge]

total comes down to 9.875/10

[terse cloak]

wanderer is best for pogoing

[wide ferry]

Got me so sad when all I got for beating 2nd sentinel was reserve bind. Hell I WANTED TO BIND THEM

[strange knot]

Hunter pogo is better

[fervent forge]

insane thing to beat

[verbal steeple]

hold on. why doesn't beating second sentinel not let u beat him and then BIND HIM to yourself for ARCHITECT CREST

[terse cloak]

i like to equip wanderer and just go speed mode with it

[white sequoia]

I did it all with hunter to

[quartz gulch]

Then answer me this:
Player A is very good at the game, doing hitless runs the entire time. They consider all healing items to be useless, as they don't need to heal.
Player B has problems defeating most challenges consistently, and struggles with most advanced combat systems. They consider items punishing getting hit to be useless, and healing items to be the best.

Which player is right?

[terse cloak]

get in 3-4 hits and then NYOOM AWAY LIKE A COWARD, be aware of enemies movements and then move back in like a parasite

[wide ferry]

They established the architects and sentinels as different classes. Still though, I'm suprised They didn't let you bind 2nd sentinel

[white sequoia]

I fight lost lace with hunter or beast

[fervent forge]

the one who is considered the average

[terse cloak]

this is literally just how i fight the ants in hunters marsh

[fervent forge]

cuz a good player who can do entire runs hitless, has everything ranked at 1

[night ruin]

Why

[verbal steeple]

reaper is for players B but it also kinda does the healing a bit not optimal

[terse cloak]

Both are wrong, you need a mix of both

[verbal steeple]

like its just a bit underwhelming for that purpose and might give some player B's a feeling of dissatisfaction

[fervent forge]

because that determines what a good list will actually help, a pro player needs no list, theyve either formed their own opinion or can just solo with anything, and a bad player is unsavable with any kind of list unless they get good

[night ruin]

Who told u this

[terse cloak]

GIT GUD

[fervent forge]

explain whats wrong with it

[warped rock]

what happened to powdered water

[verbal steeple]

also the best player is player C, the one who doesn't play the game

[night ruin]

I just wanna know where you got this information

[fervent forge]

thats basic game knowledge (not just for silksong)

[night ruin]

Basic game knowledge cited by whom

[terse cloak]

i should make a hollowknight tapeworm oc

[verbal steeple]

alright yall i gtg

yall have fun with your discourse that i kinda started

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1443697820442820688/1453086618163482775/caption.gif

[terse cloak]

IS THAT SKIN REAL?

[fervent forge]

if its cited by 1 person then its really an opinion and thus contradicting the meaning of "basic game knowledge" or "unspoken rules"

[verbal steeple]

https://thunderstore.io/c/hollow-knight-silksong/p/Amachan229/Kasane_Teto_SynthV_Customizer/

[crisp kindle]

on god if there's not a double blind placebo i'm not listening

[terse cloak]

Holy shit

[night ruin]

So what youre saying is you made it up

[fervent forge]

holy peak, any effects or the skin

[serene stump]

whats the best version of the silkshot?

[verbal steeple]

there's also apparently a mod that replaces hornet with teto in text dialogs

[fervent forge]

so what im saying is no one made it up but everyone knows it

[terse cloak]

my next run i am so being kasane teto

[verbal steeple]

i think its on the same website

[terse cloak]

oh my god i need to run BOTH

[night ruin]

Everyone knows it but you can’t name anyone who cites it… right

[timber beacon]

yk,just saying. that kid has the fucking ai generated disney movie fit,he looks ugly.

[terse cloak]

but i know im taking my time with ss(ive been playonh since drop date lol)

im just taking my time cuz i TOUCH GRASS

[terse cloak]

THATS SO CUTE???

[verbal steeple]

baby tetornet

[terse cloak]

BABY TET

[fervent forge]

it doesnt take 2 brains to figure out :
a bad player is bad with anything
an average player needs guidance and is figuring things out
a pro player is good with (almost) everything

[night ruin]

The black zip up hoodie won’t hurt you

[verbal steeple]

there's 2 types of pro players

[quartz gulch]

I have three/four complaints about the music though.

1): There are no ambience soundtracks, and not all music is included. Examples: Cylinders, needolin melodies, mosshome ambience, deep docks (surface) ambience, and much more.

2): Bossfight music doesn't loop at all in the SS OST, unlike Hollow Knight music. I would like to have extended versions of the pieces, which naturally loop like NKG for example.

3): I would love to have a playlist detailing ALL the variations of the music, which are used differently in bossfights. Example: Lost Kin and Flukemarm both have "haunted" foes, though lost kin has a softer version playing.

4): I would like to have more of the battle music being extended too, as there are only a few seconds in each regular track. These themes include things like:
-Greenpath (battle)
-Crossroads (battle)
-Queens gardens (battle)

[crisp kindle]

brother he's not writing his masters thesis it's fucking discord please understand the environment you're talking in

[fervent forge]

congrats, you figured out the meaning of basic knowledge or as i said, an unspoken rule

[blissful junco]

E

[verbal steeple]

the one who actually understands the game and knows the cons and pros of stuff

and the one who's an asshole

[night ruin]

In other words “just trust me bro”

[fervent forge]

nah

prove me wrong tho

[quartz gulch]

If player A is wrong, should they equip healing items they don't need?

[night ruin]

You kind of already did yourself

[fervent forge]

point it out

[terse cloak]

thats not what i meant

[verbal steeple]

you shouldn't need to prove someone wrong unless they gave a source

[timber beacon]

Silksong detail: Green prince is gay.

[verbal steeple]

homophobic hornet

[terse cloak]

however i cannot argue my point as IIII need to go back to work :(

[night ruin]

Why would I subscribe to a gaming philosophy from someone who 1.) can’t cite anything. And 2.) believes their opinion to be what “everyone” thinks. Just sounds like ego to me

[terse cloak]

bye bye chat

[verbal steeple]

bye

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[lean yoke]

My name is dia hrea
Last name Hrea first name Dia
Dia hrea

[verbal steeple]

HUH? 101% COMPLETION?

wait do mods affect completion?

[wide ferry]

I agree with the 2nd one to an extent. I decided to make a 3ds theme based around silksong, and making the lace theme loop was the hardest part for me. Eventually I realized that team cherry didn't even loop the full song

[coarse leaf]

dude what a scam, fury beast hits don't penetrate the rhinogrund's front armor

[crisp kindle]

you're on fucking discord this is for casual conversation and i guarantee this is not a standard you impose on yourself nobody holds citations/evidence for everything they believe

[fervent forge]

1 if i tell you to move weights back to the rack in the gym, but there are no posters that actually say that, who cited it? you guessed it, a community basic knowledge
2 call it ego or whatever, but its actually the most believable list

[rugged solstice]

i look away for 3 seconds and you are all successfully rage baiting each other over nothing

[night ruin]

Dude is doing tricks on it lmao who even are you

[cunning geode]

are you actually fucking arguing about subjectivity oh no not agaaaaain

[night ruin]

It shouldn’t be unreasonable to ask someone for a source

[crisp kindle]

and not everything is citable anyways there's no scientific journal for optimizing video game guides

[verbal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-3134327606096542884

[quartz gulch]

I know. I'm showing how purely subjective tier lists are. They have to include things like (not all included):
-Playstyle
-Situation
-Preferances
-Effectiveness
-Pros and Cons
-skill ceiling
-factors including the combinations of other things, which also have to be factored

[crisp kindle]

i'm doing tricks on it, can you cite a source?

[fervent forge]

except when they specify that not everything needs a source, cuz that source is also just an opinion

[night ruin]

The fact that you’re getting rage baited by something as simple as needing a source kind of proves everything I’m trying to say

[rugged solstice]

i'd rather have the 400th crest debate over whatever this garbage is

[verbal steeple]

honestly can't tell which side is wrong. or even if both are wrong

[fervent forge]

rage baited?

[verbal steeple]

i'm just gone mentally

[fervent forge]

this is the most confusing ragebait ever then

[quartz gulch]

Do you not agree with the other points?

[verbal steeple]

this entire chat makes me turn my brain off

[coarse leaf]

dude what a scam, fury beast hits don't penetrate the rhinogrund's front armor

[crisp kindle]

so i'm getting rage baited? okay, where's the double blind placebo test that proves this? or are you just making it up

[cunning geode]

you know you all can just like, stop getting mad at each other and just move on right

[rugged solstice]

good thing this enemy appears like twice ever in the whole game

[fervent forge]

use a tool or silk skill

[verbal steeple]

radiance kinda looks like amongus

[night ruin]

Not everything needs a source until you espouse that your opinion is one held by “everyone”

[wide ferry]

True, especially skill ceiling. Beast crest is kinda garbage for anybody who' beginner-average skill level, but the pogo and damage ceiling is pretty high to compensate

[night ruin]

Is the everyone in the room with us rn

[cunning geode]

and now is when i ping everyone

[coarse leaf]

no I killed it already, I'm just better used to hitting it in the ass with hunter

[crisp kindle]

i just asked you for a source where is it

[night ruin]

I wish I had the Seth gif saved

[pale ingot]

I’ve got a question

Who wants to answer it

[night ruin]

Thank you

[wide ferry]

What's the question

[quartz gulch]

Depends on the question though

[rugged solstice]

it's a sticker, in this server

[pale ingot]

Are you surviving this?

[coarse leaf]

it's a server sticker btw

[night ruin]

I literally never use that feature lol. Go figure

[wide ferry]

Who do you think I am, doom guy?

[rugged solstice]

idk what these are so im going with Yes

[warped rock]

is the sky blue ahh question

[fervent forge]

i think you actually forgot that the main point of this argument is you not believing something thats actually basic knowledge, you dont need a wikipedia source for 1+1 = 2
so now tell me, what is wrong with the statement that a bad player is bad with anything, the pro is good with almost if not everything, and the average player is good with what they main but not with most of the other stuff

[verbal steeple]

wouldn't let that shit happen to me smh

[night ruin]

I’m learning this now

[quartz gulch]

||Then I shall punish you with this knowledge: The city of tears signs, they are all just amogus.||

[zenith thunder]

silksong's soundtrack is mid

[quartz gulch]

Yes.

[rugged solstice]

it actually took me so long on first playthrough to process what the signs actually were

[fervent forge]

https://tenor.com/view/skibi-di-gif-3127588730399978483

[cunning geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256746798857453578/1365324658584584334/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_7.gif

[verbal steeple]

what. huh NO

THEY'RE ALL AMONGUS?

[night ruin]

What is bro yapping about

[pale ingot]

I had an aneurism reading that gif

[zenith thunder]

they hated jesus because he told them the truth

[tawdry valley]

It’s great but less varied. Compare the difference between fungal wastes and greenpath versus bonebottom and most any of the earlier areas

[warped rock]

machine responsible with the extinction of humanity, op body horror godlike thing, relentless killer, demon that makes(?) shapeshifting killers, and the boiled one and whoever else that guy on the far left is

[night ruin]

If we go hit for hit Silksong has way better osts.

[rugged solstice]

i'd win

[fervent forge]

it doesnt take two brains to understand that im asking you to point out whats wrong with that statement

[tawdry valley]

That being said, the best tracks across both silksong and HK are mostly silksong tracks.
Bilewater, most of the boss themes, etc

[pale ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-i'd-win-satoru-gojo-gojo-satoru-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-4702436161337449513

[warped rock]

what is the highest bounce you have

[rugged solstice]

holy recency bias

[zenith thunder]

good silksong tracks

1. bilewater ❤️
2. none, every other track is mid

[quartz gulch]

At the same time, that is why it is better. The atmosphere isn't as random. Both soundtracks are equally great though, and comparing them is beyond the purest stupidity.

[rugged solstice]

HK OST mogs Silksong OST

[night ruin]

The question that started this crash out of yours was “who told u this” btw. You have still yet to answer this question

[tawdry valley]

I think I stopped playing the game at around 200. Been doin other stuff

[wide ferry]

Red memory?

[pale ingot]

Dosent silksong have the word song in its name

[fervent forge]

let me ask you a question now

[tawdry valley]

Didn’t really grind for it at all

[cobalt pilot]

Aw man is sk discussion in another death match again

[zenith thunder]

I don't remember it = must be mid

[fervent forge]

whats the source for gaming knowledge, name 1 source

[pale ingot]

Yes

[rugged solstice]

couldn't live up to the name I guess

[tawdry valley]

Crust king khan, moss grotto, widow, incisive battle, choral chambers, greymoor

[warped rock]

woah. i got to like just above whatever seth had by like 10 and i had to play the lock in music

[void shoal]

skchat ?

[pale ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-soldier-fall-gif-14704805924232473537

[night ruin]

Game makers toolkit//mark brown is a nice source of good game design ideas.

[zenith thunder]

damn that's a lot of mid you just mentioned 💔

[night ruin]

But I guess you wouldn’t know lol

[rugged solstice]

Gomen Amanai ahh

[void shoal]

there you are

[quartz gulch]

Fuck you then. My neurodiverse brain can name any soundtrack from either of the games, and that aren't even the only OSTs.

[night ruin]

Here I am

Once again

[cunning geode]

on the road again

[night ruin]

I don’t remember the rest of the words

[zenith thunder]

I would remember them if they were good 🥀

[fervent forge]

dont you think that those sources are... opinions and not either completely wrong or correct? (except technical stuff like code)

[void shoal]

you're not really a tapeworm right?

[tawdry valley]

Here’s a old clip of me getting very lucky skillful

[pale ingot]

Oh yeah what soundtrack does this area have smart guy

[quartz gulch]

*if your brain were good

[night ruin]

Wouldn’t u like to know

[cobalt pilot]

Is bon here

[zenith thunder]

if my brain was bad I'd like the other silksong tracks

[storm dagger]

Yo

[void shoal]

i actually would like to be informed

[cobalt pilot]

Probably not

[night ruin]

Muahaha I’m actually three tapeworms in a trenchcoat holding a bt keyboard

[fervent forge]

leaked footage of seth

[quartz gulch]

Nice soundtrack bro. I can almost hear the pixels as much as I can see them.

[pale ingot]

It’s an image of an area smart guy, what’s the name of the soundtrack from it

[fervent forge]

soundtracks are best at bosses, the best boss soundtrack > the best area soundtrack

[zenith thunder]

I have some right here

[crisp kindle]

i can find more sources for proving the earth is flat than gaming knowledge does that mean one is more credible than the other? your criteria sucks and this topic has no scientific basis so citing someone is just adding another opinion rather than objective data

[graceful oyster]

I disagree

[cobalt pilot]

Phantom 🥹

[graceful oyster]

Area soundtracks have a lot more substance

[fervent forge]

vro knows peak

[tawdry valley]

Every message I’ve ever typed has been a result of sheer coincidence from 5 crickets jumping around on a dusty keyboard.

[zenith thunder]

but all of silksong's boss themes are mid

[cobalt pilot]

I think my favorite boss soundtracks as far as I can think of them would be phantom and GMS

[marsh spoke]

Hi rose

[tawdry valley]

Crust king khan

[crisp kindle]

cogworks solos i'm sorry

[quartz gulch]

How about you send an image of the area, without the light being moved to 100%. The fuck is this shit?

[full rune]

still more intelligent than 90% of chat

[cobalt pilot]

Hi

[pale ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-pim-smiling-friends-pim-mr-boss-gif-1373626090718171797

[fervent forge]

not really there are some OSTs that im actually ready to put in a spotify list and listen on loop, christopher larkin cooked and no one can deny this

[marsh spoke]

How are you

[cobalt pilot]

I can't even remember his theme ,🥹

[cobalt pilot]

Idk

[zenith thunder]

I deny it, bilewater was good but I did not care for any of the others

[cobalt pilot]

Bilewater is such a gorgeous track oh my gosh

[graceful oyster]

Khann track enjoyment is appreciated 🤝

[cobalt pilot]

Favorite area theme along with choral chambers and the mist I think

[fervent forge]

bilewater isnt even top 3 soundtracks (average opinion of most players ive asked cuz someone is gonna disagree)

[cobalt pilot]

Coral gorge theme is also really good

Anyway ta ta chat I have class

[zenith thunder]

it's the only good track in the game though

[tawdry valley]

It’s top 2 area osts though.

[marsh spoke]

Sorry if im being too intrusive just was slightly worried after earlier today

Oh goodbye

[night ruin]

You see a quantity of citations and believe it to be fact and what’s why babies are getting measles again

[quartz gulch]

-similar to false knight
-I can't really type it but it goes like:
Dududu dedede dododo doh_ dode dah dun dun
at the start.

[pale ingot]

Yo the image of a rickroll keeps getting deleted 😔🙏

[strange knot]

Top 2? What about top 1?

[night ruin]

All criticism is opinion, but not all opinions are equal. What matters is how well‑supported, coherent, and grounded an interpretation is. Citations don’t make your view “objective”—they show the evidence, traditions, and reasoning your view grows out of. Your beliefs aren’t validated by being absolute; they’re validated by how well they hold up when tested against evidence, context, and counterarguments.

[tawdry valley]

Room for error

[night ruin]

Hope that makes sense

[zenith thunder]

what does this have to do wit silksong again

[tawdry valley]

I like choral chambers and blasted steps a lot. I can understand why those wouldn’t be picks for number 1 area ost though

[night ruin]

Talking about the values of skilled Silksong players versus unskilled

[void shoal]

3 tapeworms?

thats insane

[zenith thunder]

oh then I think I value the opinions of non silksong players the most

[graceful oyster]

Blasted Steps is such a good region. People overlook it because it's kinda small but for what it's supposed to be it's kinda perfect

[marsh spoke]

i kinda think it depends

[pallid coral]

Uhh blasted steps sounds majestic

I like it

[tawdry valley]

A big theme for the most enjoyed osts in the game is prominently using a non-string instrument.
Too many things blend together even though they’re technically very well done

[tawdry valley]

I’m calling it a top 3 track so uhh. Yeah

[zenith thunder]

ah yes I love blowing mechanic making it so i cant go forward and have to wait it out

mist path is just better im afeared

[night ruin]

Maybe three. Maybe more

[strange knot]

I don’t like blasted steps. Platforming isn’t good because of wind. Bosses are ok. Enemies are annoying

[graceful oyster]

I don't usually wait for the wind, you can go through most areas ignoring it

[marsh spoke]

blasted steps is awesome I think

[night ruin]

Windy platforming is fun af

[graceful oyster]

And yeah in general I love windy platforming

[night ruin]

I hope sea of sorrow gives us low gravity//water based platforming. Would be a shame if all they did was throw in a few bosses and call it a day

[strange knot]

Windy platforming is not fun at all especially when wind is random imo

[fervent forge]

im asking you to point out what you disagree with, so i can explain it, and this is the 4th time i ask you to, consider it as a very basic rule that i believe in, and that it has nothing much to even disagree with, so point out whats wrong or just accept its true cuz thats how wrong and correct work

[edgy gulch]

what’s the worst tool

[cunning geode]

you

[graceful oyster]

A million times no, lol. The Last Judge/Grand Gate entry is just so well orchestrated

[edgy gulch]

ok

[graceful oyster]

It's not random, it's on an interval, iirc

[strange knot]

The tool that makes needilin larger

[night ruin]

And all I asked was who told you to believe this. To which you basically said nobody. Why would I entertain further.

“It came to me in a dream” ahh take

[zenith thunder]

last judge is a boring fight, phantom is more fun

[marsh spoke]

lj and blasted steps feel like a climax while mist path is like Cool

LJ is fine

[void shoal]

does hollow knight mobile exist?

[graceful oyster]

You think LJ is boring, and you like Phantom

[night ruin]

The lj route def feels more developed yeah

[fervent forge]

you still dont believe that anything that isnt technical basically completely right or completely wrong is an opinion, so if someone told me to believe something, why would i

[marsh spoke]

its not an officially supported version of the game

there is no official hk mobile

[zenith thunder]

yeah phantom is less boring, music is better, attacks are cooler, and you get cinema finish

[tight viper]

Phantom is a way better fight imo but thematically the LJ fight works better as a path to the citadel

[soft glade]

I hate wormways, it is so annoying

[fervent forge]

and what ur basically telling me,is to believe someone's opinion so i can say its theirs when im asked

[tight viper]

Exhaust Organ doesn’t feel like a path to the citadel

[strange knot]

Well, I ain’t counting when wind is gonna go in my side

[night ruin]

Imagine if doctors stopped doing this

[marsh spoke]

What's the other guy yapping about

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python's-flying-circus-argument-clinic-michael-palin-john-cleese-monty-python's-flying-circus-argument-clinic-monty-python-argument-clinic-sketch-gif-8388775167925864929

[graceful oyster]

You kinda get a feel for it

[strange knot]

I don’t I guess

[night ruin]

I asked him for a source on a take and he started spinning out

[icy crow]

It feels a lot like a path to sneak in though lol

[pallid coral]

Yea, I already tried that

[fervent forge]

you have the right to not believe a doctor that tells you you have cancer tho, it will only harm you afterall

[tight viper]

I guess

[marsh spoke]

So like is he doing the equivalent of "it was revealed to me in a dream"? Yeah sounds about like what I expected

[quartz gulch]

I enjoy all OSTs and I also like how they often connect. Broken Vessel, Sealed Vessel, Pure Vessel, Hollow Knight are themes using the title theme's melody in some altered way.
In silksong, the citadel is also very clearly conveyed through music. The Underworks isn't really special, but it gives the feeling of discomfort, while The Choir feels like you are fighting something holy. Bilewater conveys that the place isn't simply as it is for no reason, presenting the tragedy of the citadel's doings.

In a funny way, Team Cherry also makes hard fights and difficult platforming sections more endurable by adding really good music to them. Bilewater, Pure Vessel, The Radiance - all are far more enjoyable to learn with the music.
||Also, naked Stilkin.||

[tight viper]

If Phantom had dialogue or something it could work better as a path

[icy crow]

When will this channel ever get peace

[night ruin]

Hes saying his belief is basic enough knowledge that “everybody knows it” and thus there is no source. You tell me if that makes sense lmao

[zenith thunder]

actually, opinions are all bad no matter which silksong player its from
because silksong players cannot have good opinions
so the best takes are from non players or google AI

[fervent forge]

i told him bad players are bad with anything, pros are good with anything, average players are good with some and bad with some, and he acting like its the theory of relativity and the most complex shih ever

[marsh spoke]

What's the belief btw

[pallid coral]

Too hard and a lot of buttons, unreal to play

[quartz gulch]

Phantom has dialogue.

[light swan]

WHAT THE FYCKKK

[tight viper]

Something about Hornet evading judgment and sneaking through the back entrance

[tight viper]

Not direct dialogue, only needolin dialogue

[night ruin]

resetting the timer every time someone in skdisc gets misgendered

[wide ferry]

Wait a minute

[zenith thunder]

if sk discussion is so good why isnt there sk discussion 2

[quartz gulch]

Yes, but they obviously are her direct thoughts.

[strange knot]

It is pinstress and widow redrawn in bilewater design?😭

[icy crow]

I wonder what would be the reason for Phantom to fight Hornet honestly. Perhaps they see her as the reason for their suffering?

[burnt helm]

Made a character tier list. what do yall think?

[tight viper]

Ok? That’s not what I’m talking about tho, I’m talking about dialogue that references the Exhaust Organ leading to the citadel

[void moat]

fuck did creige nd tormented trobbio do 😭

[zenith thunder]

shakra needs to be at the very bottom in fuck off and die

[fervent forge]

are they tier rated or 1 by 1 rated

[tight viper]

If such dialogue existed the Organ route would feel a lot more fleshed out

[strange knot]

Ballow on top

[verbal steeple]

first of all. WHY is GRINDLE DOWN THERE

[icy crow]

Put Jubilana in the "fuck off and die" tier. She also has unnervingly high prices

[tight viper]

Instead it’s just kinda hollow

[verbal steeple]

why the fuck is PILBY in the top tier.

swap pilby and grindle

[quartz gulch]

What???
Of course not, those are Seamstress, Pintress, regular Stilkin and Groal the Great.
Because of the stilkin pintress, there is speculation they originated from Bilewater.

[zenith thunder]

shakra's prices are worse and we still have to draw the maps ourselves

[strange knot]

And sells you item that is free

[verbal steeple]

or atleast PUT GRINDLE IN A BETTER TIER

[slate wagon]

what is the incident with tormented trobbio

[cunning geode]

Lace in “eh” is fascinating

[zenith thunder]

he's the only good npc in the game im sorry

[verbal steeple]

GRINDLE literally has ONE mindset in his mind and its the GRIND

[icy crow]

Bro's hating on Shakra for no reason

[burnt helm]

tier rated

[fervent forge]

success mentality

[verbal steeple]

he sees a naked hornet and what does he think? MONEY

[strange knot]

The first one kinda looks like widow

[night ruin]

You know peak

[icy crow]

"Attend my show and get a prize" type incident

[verbal steeple]

literally one of THE only npcs who doesn't thirst on hornet

[void moat]

green prince hate for no reason

[fervent forge]

tormented trobbio and eva that low is a crime, rest are decent

[exotic cedar]

I cant stand the trobbio and grindle hate.

[icy crow]

Shakra's map prices doesn't even exceed 100

[burnt helm]

im pretty sure Creige was being paid by the ants to kill me and trobbio threw 500 bombs at me

[fervent forge]

buying maps in the big 26 🙏

[mental arch]

would anyone like to come with me to freaky teds house

[night ruin]

I didn’t know people hated shakra lol that’s a surprise

[verbal steeple]

grindle should be on a tier ON HIMSELF.

[warped rock]

his dialogue pisses me off, his land pisses me off, his gay lover pisses me off, his design pisses me off.

[zenith thunder]

maybe I wouldn't need them in the area layouts weren't so forgettable (outside of bilewater)

[verbal steeple]

literally above EVERYONE!

[warped rock]

there is nothing to love about him

[fervent forge]

personally, i just draw them

[night ruin]

Outside of the server it feels like shakra is the most popular Npc in Silksong second to lace

[verbal steeple]

y'know what grindle would say seeing himself get slandered like this? "idc i want money"

he would see all the hate and his only mindset would be MONEY

[exotic cedar]

Grinder, pringles and hallow is the best silksong npcs for me

[verbal steeple]

he is on a GRIND

[icy crow]

She has way more influence than John Sherman lol

[zenith thunder]

she monopolizes the paper industry

[verbal steeple]

grindle saw a naked hornet and didn't thirst

[zenith thunder]

she's petite bourgeoise

[quartz gulch]

Doing Widow real dirty huh?

[fervent forge]

shakra?

[zenith thunder]

yeah, she sells you the only paper in pharloom

[night ruin]

Tc will get them to interact someday. A girl can dream

[zenith thunder]

overcharges you too

costs more than benches 💔

[icy crow]

Skull emoji

[timber beacon]

"The concerns of others would expire the moment i've become an king and paid my respect!"

[rocky lotus]

she def is this server does not represent the community as a whole

[fervent forge]

i mean, if you meet an alien you will sell them an overpriced tree so its a business mindset

[void moat]

paper is so expensive that one penitent wrote on their own body instead, this economy sucks ass

[quartz gulch]

Depending how you see it, that "paper" may be made from dried bug corpses.

[night ruin]

What a concept

[zenith thunder]

she's literally supposed to be our ""friend"" in-game yet she overcharges us

[quartz gulch]

How says they did it?

[marsh spoke]

the most popular npc is shakra because people usually only see shakra before dropping the game

[fervent forge]

no connections in business

[icy crow]

You could say the same about Cornifer

[fervent forge]

sherma is before shakra

[quartz gulch]

Shakra and Sherma, because Sherma has aura.

[icy crow]

While Cornifer sees you as someone to make business Shakra literally befriends Hornet on the way lol

[fervent forge]

and is better

[verbal steeple]

if your friend worked in a car company would u expect him to undercharge you on stuff? if so. you're stupid

[zenith thunder]

this makes shakra worse lol

[night ruin]

Shakra can map out hallownest. Cornifer wouldn’t make it to greymoor without dying or getting haunted. Cost of labor

[strange knot]

Ballow and a the best npc because:

1. he is doing everything for free and doesn’t charge you money!
2. You can pogo on his head!
3. He doesn’t force you to do anything!

[exotic cedar]

What kind of aura sharma has

[verbal steeple]

shakra doesn't charge nearly alot

[fervent forge]

grindle mentality

[quartz gulch]

Cornifer does too.

[verbal steeple]

infact. shakra should INCREASE the price

shakra should sell those maps at 500 ROSARIES

[fervent forge]

yeah, let all the people who use maps pay the price

[icy crow]

How so? She literally becomes a friend that even helps in combat. Cornifer is just cartographer on business

[void moat]

people should talk about gp more hes cool

[night ruin]

“My friend is a mechanic but he still charged me for a new engine block :(“

[verbal steeple]

if pale king met grindle. they'd be friends

[fervent forge]

overall tho, hallownest tuffer than pharloom

[verbal steeple]

grindle would charge pale king for stuff and pale king would think "no cost too great" and then grindle becomes a happy guy with all the riches in the world

[zenith thunder]

how am I getting out-stupid here
she's not working for an employer, she's selling her personal monopolized stash of paper at high prices
you can't give out cars out of friendship because they're not really yours

[exotic cedar]

Last judge should have crushed his little ass with her weapon

[quartz gulch]

"My friend wanted me to pay for making a new program. Should I tell him how I feel and how hurt I am?"

[noble pelican]

Yaoi bugs are cool

[icy crow]

He does befriend Knight to a certain point but eventually just settles down in an endless sleep

[quartz gulch]

Aura meets aura.

[burnt helm]

all this discouse and nobody questions styx in top tier. we love us an masochistic slave

[verbal steeple]

so she's an indie developer?

[night ruin]

I swear you can find this exact type of question asked on r/aita

[zenith thunder]

E33 indie of the year

[verbal steeple]

WOW this guy thinks INDIE DEVELOPERS should not CHARGE for their STUFF. chat capture this guy

[strange knot]

How tf would she make money if no one is buying maps except hornet

[verbal steeple]

can't believe someone would say this

[zenith thunder]

maybe she shouldnt be in the business then

[verbal steeple]

someone took over someone

this can't be someone's true nature

[icy crow]

It's funnier that Hornet just sees him as a random ass that works for her out of pure will

[quartz gulch]

Backup dreamer. Honestly though, dude travelled Hallownest without a weapon or any significant upgrades, not to mention in the midst of an infection.

[strange knot]

And die because of hunger..?

[burnt helm]

it does sound like a reditor mentality

[fervent forge]

• "free sea of sorrow dlc"
  = "no please team cherry i can pay"

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/shakra-hornet-silksong-hollow-knight-gif-6788199416628803555

This is what matters at the end of it all

[burnt helm]

she told him he didnt need to but he does anyways. why not accept his gifts? it makes the boingyboof happy

[verbal steeple]

someone. if maps aren't as expensive as u say. then why doesn't hornet make her own? clearly hornet has the ability to draw maps.

[night ruin]

Oh damn lesbian hate in chat is wild

[exotic cedar]

Hornet friendzoned shakra, its yurover

[zenith thunder]

where is it shown that she needs the money to survive...
does sherma and garamond die off screen after their first appearance because they didn't scam us?

[verbal steeple]

Grindle X pale king when

[quartz gulch]

Definitely, people tend to think that programming somehow doesn't involve doing work.

[exotic cedar]

Hornet just sees shakra as a friend

[night ruin]

Why are there so many bigots in this server

[zenith thunder]

sherma and garamond are not incredible or anything but they are still better than shakra

[icy crow]

Probably because she cannot be bothered were I to guess

[quartz gulch]

Grindle x Lemm is better, they can both enjoy their treasures.

[night ruin]

“Just crunch some numbers!”

[hoary coyote]

im so fucking scared about doing courier's rasher, im just too scared to deliver it, what if i fail

[exotic cedar]

You can try again

[verbal steeple]

Grindle wouldn't concern himself with that stupid guy. he thinks he can become a king while grindle isn't delusional

[icy crow]

You can retry

[rapid anvil]

Hi guys leancr is back

[hoary coyote]

im really scared, and there is no mod on thunder store that removes the melting effect

[verbal steeple]

pale king would give grindle anything he wants

[quartz gulch]

"The computer just does it for you"

[void moat]

the only genuinely tuff silksong ship ive seen so far is eva x mask maker ngl

[fervent forge]

call me walter wild

[marsh spoke]

Any gay people in chat

[night ruin]

I miss the el gibbity people

[exotic cedar]

Me

[strange knot]

Garmond does die. And Sherma is in both towns of the game so he can get food from someone. Garmond is in songclave as well.

[night ruin]

Oh lol hi you missed the lesbophobia

[quartz gulch]

Are you okay?

[icy crow]

That's supposed to be the fun part of the deliver. You can search routes and take the fastest or safest one

[zenith thunder]

but he doesn't die of starvation

so your point is invalid

[verbal steeple]

is anyone here really okay?

[hoary coyote]

i know you can retry, i scared of the feeling going all the way just to not make it in time, not to mention, i cant use the flea brew, kinda like in the first game delicate flower

[marsh spoke]

No i didnt I'm spreading lesbian positivity to counter it

[strange knot]

Garmond is in songclave too, I said later

[quartz gulch]

No, I'm just fine.

[icy crow]

You cannot?

[night ruin]

Thank god idk what kind of fucked up people have invaded chat

[marsh spoke]

This happens sometimes

[hoary coyote]

cause i have a run where i can use only shaman crest

[zenith thunder]

by your logic garamond (and every other npc that doesnt scam us) was never there because theyd starve without scams

[icy crow]

Are you doing the deliver in act three?

[exotic cedar]

Every npc sucks in the game including the game itself ok goodbye

[hoary coyote]

no,

[zenith thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[blissful junco]

😭 is that reez or whoever that is

[night ruin]

Reez LMAO

[hallow loom]

me when bilewater

[blissful junco]

what is her name

[icy crow]

Ah. Why restrain yourself then? Shaman Crest is only obtainable in act three

[exotic cedar]

Rip

[quartz gulch]

Don't insult the guy that solos Pharloom prime.

[zenith thunder]

the only good area in the game

[night ruin]

Idk but it sounds funny

[icy crow]

You were so close to the secret bench

[exotic cedar]

What am i witnessing

[barren dew]

Wdym I had to try 22 just to guess an enemy

[strange knot]

Mount Fay:

[blissful junco]

holy

[quartz gulch]

Idk, I love cursed images though. And this is cursed af.

[night ruin]

Teleport mod time

[hoary coyote]

well i installed a mod that allows me to change my crest at the start of the game, and i made shaman crest only run, cause i wanna master it,

[blissful junco]

frieren hornet

[icy crow]

We need a buff Shakra image

[zenith thunder]

well... its close... maybe i should be less harsh, the only 10/10 area in the game

we need the choice to kill shakra in the dlc

[barren dew]

Yes please yess yess

[icy crow]

Ah, alright. I suppose you could try to speedrun the safest route

[barren dew]

I like to play guess the silksong stuff

So so so fun

[blissful junco]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-18370552922777914358

[barren dew]

Who even are you

[exotic cedar]

Someone

[zenith thunder]

i'm someone

[icy crow]

Image of Shakra choking a Choir Bellringer in High Halls

[zenith thunder]

have you heard of me?

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/lelouch-code-geass-never-cook-again-never-cook-gif-2788699210417916902

[barren dew]

No you aren't someone who the hell are you

[zenith thunder]

the world if we could kill shakra

[hoary coyote]

shakra teams up with lace and scissors horne- she remains unchanged

[icy crow]

That's the catch. He's a random ass

[blissful junco]

why he built like that

[void moat]

i feel like you shouldve had the choice to let either shakra or grmond get voided, itd be cool

[void moat]

yeahhh no

[blissful junco]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-dexter-you-give-me-the-creeps-you-know-that-truthparadox-doakes-gif-2260767060581023552

[barren dew]

Team cherry be making new random NPC's everyday

[night ruin]

What is happening rn

[icy crow]

Shakra hate has ended I hope

[zenith thunder]

I hope it continues

[quartz gulch]

Insanity

[rocky lotus]

not as long as someone is active in this chat

[blissful junco]

what can you even hate about ~~map mommy ~~ shakra

[barren dew]

Buddy what the hell do you hate shakra for

[night ruin]

This is it… the Redditor nexus.

[icy crow]

We are sentencing you to public execution through beheading tomorrow at 12 PM

[exotic cedar]

Its ok to hate silksong npcs, i don't give a fuck

[night ruin]

I wonder if his tune would change if Shakra was male…

[rocky lotus]

thank god 🙏

[zenith thunder]

since when was gender a part of this conversation

[void moat]

this mindset should be adopted more

[zenith thunder]

I'm confused now

[night ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-youre-not-a-sigma-kinemaster-edit-gif-14129977473338078461

[slow imp]

guys… i lowkey thought of something pretty sad…

[icy crow]

Someone probably is in love with Broodmother. I can see it in his eyes

[barren dew]

Have you played hollow knight, Cornifer makes you pay for maps too

[void moat]

a little crazy how many people in this server get genuinely mad when you say something derogatory about their cluster of pixels

[zenith thunder]

I hate shakra because she sucks, not because she's female, team cherry should make better npcs

[quartz gulch]

Doubter

[zenith thunder]

never played og hk

[exotic cedar]

Can the sun just explode

[night ruin]

You always have the best imgs

[slow imp]

…is there another metroidvania on the same level of quality as hollow knight and silksong?

[blissful junco]

someone needs rosaries

[leaden delta]

im a fan of shakra i like that muscular lesbian

[barren dew]

People discovering fictional bug characters have jobs and need money

[blissful junco]

why she got them jjba shoulders